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Speaker 1: So it looks like good news from the Emergency Housing Department.

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Speaker 1: The number of emergency households has dropped by a third

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Speaker 1: in six months, more than one thousand, half of whom

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Speaker 1: have ended up in social housing. Thirty percent have gone

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Speaker 1: out to the private sector. Of the Associate Housing Minister

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Speaker 1: Tamapotak is in chargeable listener is with us. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, gotter Mike.

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Speaker 2: How you're doing very well?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, have you bumped social housing people out the other side,

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Speaker 1: in other words, to accommodate the emergency people or are

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Speaker 1: there just more people in social housing?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's typical movement through the system. So some people

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Speaker 2: have left social housing to go into private housing, but

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Speaker 2: there's also been a few more social and housing builts

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Speaker 2: which people have moved into.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the private accommodation. Can you track them and prove

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Speaker 1: that they've gone into private accommodation and the sort of

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Speaker 1: housing that you would expect them to be in, living

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Speaker 1: in conditions that we all find acceptable.

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Speaker 2: Well, when people leave emergency housing, they can tell us

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Speaker 2: where they're going, and many of those folks are going

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Speaker 2: into private housing which has accommodation supplement, so they do

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of social support, subsidy support of

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Speaker 2: the quality of every single house. No, we can't track that.

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Speaker 1: So what's happened here because Labour says this is all

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Speaker 1: bs of course andy shuffling numbers around the place.

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Speaker 2: Well, Labour's got a lot of views and reckons and

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Speaker 2: we just operate on data and evidence. So the evidence

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Speaker 2: is that there are less people going in because have

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Speaker 2: made it clear and transparent around the criteria that you

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Speaker 2: have to satisfy in order to get into emergency housing.

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Speaker 2: And on the other side, we've been really focused on

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Speaker 2: making sure that we get people into different types of houses,

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Speaker 2: some social, some private. And there's a small group of

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Speaker 2: people we actually don't know where they go because they

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Speaker 2: don't need to tell us where they go. But the

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Speaker 2: key is, Mike, when we arrived million dollars a day,

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Speaker 2: Now it's nearly half a million dollars a day for

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Speaker 2: emergency housing.

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Speaker 1: Right, So when you change the criteria, where are those

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Speaker 1: people who don't make it?

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Speaker 2: Well, many of those people that were coming in through

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Speaker 2: emergency housing before we change the criteria, they didn't really

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Speaker 2: have a genuine meat, So they might be staying with

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Speaker 2: the family, they might have their own housing, they might

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Speaker 2: have moved out of social housing in one town to

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Speaker 2: try and get into emergency housing and another town. We've

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Speaker 2: made it clear when you are using taxpayer funds in

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Speaker 2: order to have house and that there are responsibilities that

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Speaker 2: go with that. So in emergency housing, I've got to

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Speaker 2: be clear that if you've found yourself in a position

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Speaker 2: where you do need emergency housing and there's a genuine need,

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Speaker 2: the state will support you. But if there's no genuine need,

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Speaker 2: the state will say, well, you need to find a house.

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Speaker 1: Is this a trend that will continue or have you

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Speaker 1: just got the early low hanging fruit here.

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Speaker 2: Business blue sheet smoke and we don't know exactly where

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Speaker 2: it's going. But what we are very clear on is

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Speaker 2: we have better evidence, we have better data, and we've

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Speaker 2: got a process and a plan to bring the numbers down.

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Speaker 2: There are a couple of new things that we're going

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Speaker 2: to have to do to get those numbers down further,

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Speaker 2: because now we'll get into more complex and harder to reach.

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Speaker 1: Farno, you've got a busy day today. We've got some

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Speaker 1: news coming on the Marrie Crown Relations Agency.

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Speaker 2: Well, and due course decisions will be made on various matters.

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Speaker 2: That one included. But let's see how we go and

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Speaker 2: we'll report Becker when we find out.

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Speaker 1: Good on you appreciate your time. I think that's a yes,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? That little bit of year coming this afternoon. If

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Speaker 1: you're not up on that, and it's what they're doing,

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Speaker 1: it's te otafiti are They're going to absorb, absorb the

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Speaker 1: work streams of the married Crown Relations Agency back into

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Speaker 1: the justice and to put a cockerdy. The reason I

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Speaker 1: mentioned that is because of course the married party is

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Speaker 1: going to go nuts and the whole race relations thing

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Speaker 1: is going to be fired up again for another week.

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