1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Souththerby's International Realty, local and 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: global exposure like no other. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: Right on the Huddle with us this evening we have 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 2: Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union, Mike Munro, former chief of staff 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: to just doing Highlands. Mike, how do you feel about 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: the helipad? 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 3: Oh? A bit discomforted. I must say, Look, you know, 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 3: I just don't understand why this couple would require permission 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: to have two return flights a day. I mean, is 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: it just to avoid orpen traffic? Is it just convenience? 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 3: If they had some some some kind of role, you know, 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 3: I don't know, some kind of emergency workers and they 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 3: needed to get out quickly and get the places quickly. 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 3: IULD sort of understand it. 15 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: But that's just really rich, Mike. They're just really really 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: really rich rich people do with their money. They buy 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: themselves time. 18 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 3: They buy helipads. Yeah, and this sort of thing is 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: just going to generate sort of you know, contempt and 20 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: resentment in the neighborhood. I got on Google Earth the 21 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 3: stuff and then to have a look at that street 22 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: where they live, and it's pretty concentrated around there. It's 23 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: you know, cheap by a gel living in that part 24 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: of Open There's lots of parts of Orpend, but but 25 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: you know, a neighborhood is a shared place, and we 26 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: sort of make concessions, you know, so that we can 27 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 3: all live in as harmonious a way as we as 28 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: we can. And to me this is just sort of yeah, 29 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: this is a bridge too far, Jordan. 30 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 4: I'm pretty prof if given how long we'll can transport 31 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: delay the traffic to get I've. 32 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: Got to be honest, if I had gainst the money 33 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: like these two, I would want a halipad. I'm not 34 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: gonna lie. I want a hali pad outside my house. 35 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: And I'd want to fly twice a day. Yep, ye, 36 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: shoot for the stars. Mate. 37 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 4: Why can't your nearest half dozen neighbors give you some money? 38 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: Give them some money and actually the person that came 39 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: down the road go away? You know, the I live 40 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 4: in some hallis so we have what what Dick Quax 41 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 4: used to call the Glenn and this native bird fly 42 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 4: fly over us almost every night, and that eagle helicopter, 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 4: yeah you're seeing it, you do? 44 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: You do? 45 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: How much money, Jordan, would it take if you were 46 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: right next door to Anna and Allie? How much money 47 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: would it take for you to be late? 48 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 4: We depend If I got a ride to work to 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: avoid that are necessary waiting in traffic every morning, it 50 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 4: would be a lot cheaper. 51 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: I reckon a HUNDI thou would swing me? What about you? 52 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: Mike? 53 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: Oh look, I'm not so sure. I just think that's 54 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: such obnoxious machines, these guys. If these guys had had 55 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: a lifestyle block out in the back of Cleveland or somewhere, 56 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: absolutely fine, Mike, in a very lobby. 57 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: Area, would you, Mike, if they engage your services on 58 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: an ongoing basis to be the lobbyist, and would you 59 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: be okay with it? 60 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: Then no, I would say shift to Cleveton. 61 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 4: Oh you're so old school. 62 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 2: Okay, Now listen, Mike, you're you're you're a man who 63 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 2: lives in Wellington. What do you reckon? Are you prepared 64 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: to take a bet with me that the government's going 65 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: to intervene in Wellington City Council? 66 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: Oh, they almost certainly are. I mean, these things are 67 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: now sort of taken on a certain momentum, and something's 68 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: going to happen. It may be commissioners, it may be 69 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: a Crown observer, but something has to happen. The situation's 70 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: got so bad. Relationships are breaking down, the mayor is 71 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: allegedly not talking to her counselors, and that comes on 72 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 3: top of all the enormous financial problems. Well yeah that's true, 73 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: but you know that comes on top of the enormous 74 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: economic issues that the city is facing and social issues. 75 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: Something's going to happen and it's just a question now 76 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: lotsort of scale and what that's going to look like. 77 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you reckon? Jordan? 78 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: I mean, Tory Farnow achieved something I never thought was 79 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: achievable and it actually makes me happy to be as 80 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 4: in how he is right Pawer, you know that the 81 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 4: Wellington is so bad it makes the super city look good. 82 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: I think Valentonian should be careful what they wish for. 83 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 4: You look at what happened with Towering and the terrible 84 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 4: well not helped by by and Tolly power going to 85 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 4: her head. But you're looking at what happened Twoing, you 86 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: wouldn't even I wouldn't wish that on Wellington. But there 87 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 4: is some intermediatary options. A Crown observer obviously, or actually 88 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: the obvious thing is to is to hit the reset button. 89 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 4: Is recall elections. 90 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: I mean that's a big called though Jordan, for a 91 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: government that has completely different ideological views, right ideological positions, and. 92 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: That's actually a barrier from what from what I hear 93 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 4: and in and around the government circles is that there's 94 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: a little bit well, this is what this is what 95 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 4: a Green Party council looks like. You almost and Wellington 96 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 4: votes for. 97 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: Us exactly, And Mike, isn't this the problem actually for 98 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: the government. There is an element of letting this play 99 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: out so people can see what happens when you vote 100 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: the Greens into positions of power. That's how that's the 101 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: narrative that's developing here. 102 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 103 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: Well, and also the government will be very pleased to 104 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: be talking about someone else's dysfunction rather than their own. 105 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: After all the problems I've had was you know, the 106 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: need in hospital and smoke free law, talking to it, 107 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: hiring freezers, tax breaks from the tobacco companies, et cetera. 108 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: I mean, they'll be pleased to see this is a 109 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: crap going down elsewhere. And there's an element of truth 110 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: in that it is a labor green city. And you know, 111 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: there'll be some people in the beehives snipping behind their 112 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: hands that this is now happening. 113 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: Look at what happened last week came out of Wellington, 114 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: this investigation into the mayor's opponents as a result of 115 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: a secret source and an appointment of the mayor's fear 116 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: mayor's friend lawyer Linda Clark, who now has whole conflict 117 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 4: issues around that because she claims she wasn't a lawyer 118 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 4: for the purposes of that. But we now discover that 119 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: the source, the anonymous source, was none other than the 120 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 4: Mayor's chief of staff, who's responsible for pointing the so 121 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 4: called independent investigator. Like, this isn't the whole thing. I'm 122 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 4: nearly going to see shambles. It's not quite a book, 123 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 4: but it is just like this. This council was so dysfunctional. 124 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: It totally is. Hey, we'll take a break to come 125 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: back and have a chat about what's going on with 126 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: the nurses in English. 127 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: Bundle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate the marketing 128 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: of your home. 129 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle Jordan Williams and Mike Munroe. Jordan, Okay, 130 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: what do you make of this directive at Wycuple Hospital 131 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: Hospital that the nurses may only speak English and clinical situations. 132 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 4: Well, I keep the other half on this because she's 133 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: the she's the pediatric contents of care nurse. And she 134 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: jumped down my throat at thus that she's been in 135 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: situations and immergion situations where Filipino nurses have not spoken 136 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 4: English to each other. And absolutely, yeah, as I said it, well. 137 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: So they're speaking, they're speaking their own language to each other. 138 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: The clinical stuff, what's. 139 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 4: Going on, and it's a safety concern, and so she said, 140 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 4: little bit has nothing to do with toay, It'll be 141 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 4: that there is a lot of English and second language 142 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: nurses and you know, it's the reality and a lot 143 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 4: of clinical settings now and that of course and high 144 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: pressure situations, they may revert back to the native language. 145 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 4: But that is a big dangerous no no, when half 146 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 4: your clinical team don't know what's going on. 147 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: Surprise that that's happening. 148 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 4: Well, m said that she's literally been in those situations 149 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 4: and I don't know she referred to one one particular 150 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: one at Starship, but I didn't ask her how many times, 151 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 4: but said, totally understandable. They get the directive and totally appropriate. 152 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, what do you think. 153 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: Well, look, Jordan didn't once mentioned from what I can recall, 154 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: the patients and and and surely the patience, safety of 155 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: the person's mind that the patient here is absolutely critical 156 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: to these communications. And as Rittie said today that you know, 157 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: if nurses feel that it's appropriate and clinically safe to 158 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: converse in their own language and in their first language 159 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 3: and with one another and with patients, then that should 160 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: be able to happen because the most critical thing is 161 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: that everyone understands, including the patient, what is going on 162 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 3: in these clinical situations. 163 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: No, I think you're ready. No, that wasn't. That wasn't. 164 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 4: What I was saying clearly communicating with patients is. 165 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: There are two different settings here, Jordan's. So there is 166 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: one where you'll talk where the nurse talks to the 167 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: patient in their first language, and then there's the second 168 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: where the nurses talk to each other. WHI surrounded by 169 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: other clinicians and they're all trying to save somebody. 170 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 4: And it is it is. I think it's disgraceful the 171 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: way and wanting to reach for outrage and turning this 172 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: into it And no, no, is it not that you 173 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: can buy into the the obviously not the good news 174 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 4: talks and in the new door. 175 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: But some of the our friends, our friends, our competitors, yes, 176 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: read radio. Okay, here, here's here's the thing. Mike's, Mike's, Jordan, 177 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: to be Mike, I'm sorry for what he just said you, Jordren, 178 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: to be fair, you would never listen to them, Jordan, 179 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: this is the problem. Right, So so it may be 180 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: fair enough to instruct the nurses to say, hey, listen, 181 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: if you're trying to save somebody's life, and you're a 182 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: whole bunch of doctors and nurses trying to save somebody's life, 183 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: only speak in English to everybody understands the way the 184 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: communication has gone out, the memo has gone out. It's 185 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: it's like nothing but English in clinic clinical settings. And 186 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: that's a problem because actually, in some clinical settings, like 187 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: talking to a patient in their first language, it is 188 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: perfectly acceptable to do that. I would say, it's the 189 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: way the thing's been written, right, possibly, which is caused 190 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: the outrage. 191 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 4: And you can imagine that that clinicians are sometimes a 192 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 4: bit ten yeared. 193 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: I can't imagine, Yes, Michael, is that a fair assessment 194 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: of it? 195 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: I think I think you've got to go back to 196 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: this sort of classical textbook communication definition, and the definition 197 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: of communication is when the message is understood by the receiver. 198 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 3: So if two staff are speaking to each other, you 199 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: know that that applies. And if a staff members talking 200 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: to a patient, that applies. So I mean there might 201 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: be cases we cut back and forth between English and 202 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: another language so that the receiver of the information knows 203 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: what the hell is going on. But I think submitting 204 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 3: the whole hospital to memos like this one from my kiddo, 205 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: I just think it's it's a blunt, a blunt in struy. 206 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: I totally agree with that. All Right, guys, listen, thank 207 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 2: you so much, appreciate it. From the pair of you. 208 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: That's our huddle this evening. 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