1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,039 Speaker 1: The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Together due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand, Let's 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: get connected and news talk. 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: As said, be good afternoon. It turns out the All 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: Blacks have edited the version of the Hukker that they 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: put on their social media accounts. So what's happened is 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: before uploading the video they have removed the controversial political 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: bit from TJ Panada at the start where he says 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: in Mari the sovereignty of the land, the people and 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: the Treaty of White Toungi remains. Former Blackfern and former 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: Labor Party MP Luisa wallers with me. Now, hey, Luisa 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: counter Heather, how do you feel about that? 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: About the editing? Hmm, well, it's not been done before. 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: As far as I know, we never edit, hucker. 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: Do you know whether they put the video up, got 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: the responses, took it down, edited and re uploaded or 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: is this just how they uploaded it in the first place. 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 3: I presume it's how they uploaded it, which speaks the 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: question who made that decision? And I chose on my 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: social media platform to share Sky's version which was the 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: hooker as it was delivered for us Sunday morning, Saturday 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: night in Italy, which is what normally happens. Right, we 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: love the hacker. 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: This suggests to me that they are already feeling the 26 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: heat or maybe regretting the course of action that they're 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: taken by saying yes to it. 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody in there is. Obviously the players worked and 29 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 3: the management didn't seem to, so you know, I take 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: Razer on his word. He was pretty clear about what 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: the hooker, what was behind the hooker, and the purpose 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: of the hooker was to call for unity back home, 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: which is what we want when our team goes out 34 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: on the field, to be honest, we want to unify 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,639 Speaker 3: team ready to do the business. So you know, TJ 36 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: was accorded that leadership responsibility. He's, from what I can see, 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: played eighty nine tests and that's what it was is 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 3: fifty eighth calling the hacker, so you know they trust 39 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: him to them. 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: Louisa, do you think it's appropriate for him to have 41 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: done what he did given given that the hacker is 42 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: It feels like an all black supporter. It feels like 43 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: it's done on behalf of the whole country. And the 44 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: whole country is not in support of the he coy, 45 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: so is it appropriate then. 46 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: Well, the whole country has been in supportive the Hoker 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: that has been performed by the All Blacks since nineteen 48 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: oh five. None of us have ever had editorial rights, 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: and there's been an evolution of the hooker over time, 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: and in fact we have two forms of the hacker. 51 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: But every year the team goes through a process of 52 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: determining how they will do the hocker, which is about 53 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 3: it's a tech hunger issue, and who has vested with 54 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: the responsibility to lead the hocker on behalf of the 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: All Blacks and TJ was vested with that leadership responsibility. 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: He obviously talked to his teammates and his coach and 57 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: others about what the purpose intent was behind the hooker. 58 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: So that's their choice. Surely, why should any of us 59 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: now have a problem with the hacker being led the 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: way it was? 61 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: Luisa, thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Lewisa 62 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: will former Black Fern and also former Labor Party MP. 63 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: News talks 'b from four pm weekdays, or follow the 65 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio,