1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: The government this week expected to make an announcement on 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: retail crime. Previous changes announced include expanding citizens arrest powers. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: You remember that one. Apparently this week they will make 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: changes and announce changes I should say, around laws for 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: shoplifting and theft. It also comes on the back of 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: that police direction remember this where an internal directive revealed 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: that they would only respond to shoplifting worth more than 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: five hundred bucks. Carolyn Young is the chief executive retail INZED. Carolyn, 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: good morning, What Anna? 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: How are you this line? 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Very well? Thank you? Now, I know you're on the 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: government's advisory group for retail crime. Do you what are you? 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: Probly assumably you've been given a heads up about what's 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: happening this week. What are they looking at? 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's a couple of things. One is 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: that we know that there's a lot of recidivis defending 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: in retail, so people coming back time and time and 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: time again, so really being able to deal with those 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: offenders and having charges and repercussions in the court system 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: that are deterrents against those offending. So if someone comes 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: into your shop and they steal one hundred and fifty dollars, 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: and it's one hundred and twenty dollars, and it's you know, 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: like it's a cumulative factor. It all adds up. So 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: making sure that the police have the tools in which 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: they can use data to ensure that they capture all 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: of someone's offending so then they can be dealt with 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: at the highest level rather than at the lowest level. 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: So that's why it's really important not to have thresholds 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: around for police because a lot of offending is not 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: necessarily done at a higher level, but cumulatively it's thousands 31 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: and thousands of dollars, So being able to really do 32 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: something that will impact them through the court system is 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: one piece. 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: The other thing just in terms of record keeping for that, 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: do you at the moment, do retailers have the ability 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: to keep those records so that that can be enacted properly. 37 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of things. One is that for 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: the bigger stores, they use a platform called Aura, which 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: is effectively a really smart database where the police can 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: then go through and link various crimes that have been 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: committed that a very similar look into them and determine 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: whether they're done by the same people, and then you 43 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: know they're able to capture them that way, and so 44 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: that's a really useful tool. For the smaller retailers, they 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: need to use one O five or one one one, 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: which you know is a little more tricky. So it 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: is up to the police to be able to do 48 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: those connections and for the police to have better resources 49 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: and tools, and that's going to be really important to 50 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: be effective. So not only that retailers need to report 51 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: every crime so that it's really understood the size of 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: the issue, so that we get the right resourcing, but 53 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: also to have the right tools for police to be 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: able to really link a lot of that offending together 55 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: so that when they go to court they really dealt 56 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: with appropriately. 57 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: On the full list. What's the other thing to change 58 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: your reckons. 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: Coming well a little bit further down the line, but 60 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: trespass is really important. It's because we've had these decidipus offenders. 61 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: You're really having the ability to trespass someone that's in 62 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: your store that's either aggressive or violent or offending on 63 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: a regular basis so that they can't come back again, 64 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: and having some teeth in behind that and something that 65 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: fits in modern society. That's going to be wrong. 66 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: What's not making that work at the moment, because you 67 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: can trustpass people at the moment, right, so what's not working? 68 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can trust past people at the moment. It 69 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: is quite tricky because the laws are really structured for 70 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: when you know the person, you know your name and 71 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: you know their address, being able to use like a 72 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: photo to trespass someone, being able to assure trespass notice 73 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: even if they're walking away and want to accept it, 74 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: and then you know, then using that as a tool 75 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: to identify someone as they're coming into your store so 76 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: that then you don't get them in your store. So 77 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: modernizing it, making it easier to actually process that. 78 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: Less of a consultative or consensus approach to delivering it too. Carolyn, 79 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, Carolyn Young, Chief executive retailion Z. 80 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 81 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: to news Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, or 82 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.