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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk SEDB.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty one to twelve you with Jack Tame on

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Speaker 2: Newstalks 'DB. John Grisham has a new book, but he's

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Speaker 2: doing things a little bit differently this time round. Our

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Speaker 2: book reviewer Katherin Rains is here with all the details.

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Speaker 2: Gold to Catherine.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Jack, So tell us.

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Speaker 2: About Framed by John Grisham and Jim McCloskey.

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Speaker 3: So this is all about true stories about wrongful convictions.

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Speaker 3: And obviously, John Grisham's a well known author and he

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Speaker 3: is also a lawyer, and he's teamed up with this guy,

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Speaker 3: Jim McCluskey, who's the founder of Centurion Ministries, and it's

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Speaker 3: a nonprofit organization dedicated to exonerating the wrong for the convicted,

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Speaker 3: and he's been working on that for about forty five years.

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Speaker 3: So in alternating chapters, they both present different cases of

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Speaker 3: miss justice miscarried resulting in the unwarranted incarceration of ten

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Speaker 3: innocent people. And you know, they talk about how they're

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Speaker 3: rail raided into confessions after these interrogation nightmares and the

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Speaker 3: blind eyes cast by authorities who just overlook material that

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Speaker 3: would exonerate them because they determined they had their man.

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Speaker 3: And so they look at the why and the wear

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Speaker 3: of how each case, and it's explained about, you know,

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Speaker 3: the people who were responsible for fitting innocent people in prison,

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Speaker 3: and you know, some of those people ended up on

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Speaker 3: death row, and the prosecutors and judges and policemen and

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Speaker 3: some of these cases are actually still working and some

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Speaker 3: of these incarcerated people are still in prison even though

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Speaker 3: there's proof that they're not guilty of the crime that

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Speaker 3: they wisked him. So you get this deceasing corruption. It's

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Speaker 3: found at every government level and prosecutors that are willing

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Speaker 3: to go to any lengths to secure convictions in the

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Speaker 3: selections of jurors, particularly around co and the particularly around

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Speaker 3: co's confessions using polygraphs, and they tell them that they

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Speaker 3: failed and they hadn't. And then probably most prevalent in

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Speaker 3: these is jail house snitches who were relied to say

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Speaker 3: anything and just no credibility because actually they were getting

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Speaker 3: their own sentences and sometimes for murder reduced. And then

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Speaker 3: there's on the other side of this as well, there's

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Speaker 3: the experts who had done nothing in this field that

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Speaker 3: they were supposedly ecs and other than take a very

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Speaker 3: short course and really don't know a lot about their subjects.

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Speaker 3: And probably one of the most compelling cases and there

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Speaker 3: is a guy called Cameron Todd Willingham, and he's executed

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Speaker 3: for allegedly setting fire that killed his own children, and

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Speaker 3: only very later does it become clear that the fire

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Speaker 3: was completely accidental, and the experts that working about it

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Speaker 3: believed in faulty arts and science, and so it's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: And in some cases these perpetrators of the crimes actually

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Speaker 3: are key witnesses for the prosecution. So it's fascinating. And

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Speaker 3: the authors mcluskey and Grisham aren't saying that this kind

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Speaker 3: of wrongful confection is widespread, but what they do talk

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Speaker 3: about is really compelling and eye opening and some of

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Speaker 3: those grave injustices that just happen in the criminal justice

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Speaker 3: system and really really fascinating look in cases.

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Speaker 2: Sounds great, sounds really really interesting. Okay, that's framed by

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Speaker 2: John Grisham and Jim McCloskey. You've read the Elements of

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Speaker 2: Marie by Dava Soble So.

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Speaker 3: Dava Sober notes right in the beginning that Murray Currey

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Speaker 3: is one of the few female scientists that most of

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Speaker 3: us can actually name, and she was twice winning Nobel

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Speaker 3: Laureate and what she achieves in her lifetime is immense.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Dava takes us back to Murray's childhood

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Speaker 3: and education. She was born in Poland before she moves

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Speaker 3: to the Suborn in Paris to further her studies, and

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Speaker 3: when she enrolls in eighteen ninety one, she's one of

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Speaker 3: one of twenty three female students among two thousand men

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Speaker 3: to study science. And her experimental work was always at

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Speaker 3: the forefront of her life. And she found love with

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Speaker 3: her research partner, Pierre, and they married and had two daughters,

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Speaker 3: and she focused on her work, but she always found

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Speaker 3: time to give back to her scientific community and particularly

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Speaker 3: other women in science, and that theme really flows at

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Speaker 3: the book and other stories that are here, and she

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Speaker 3: talks about how Marie and Peria collaborated on Marie's doctoral

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Speaker 3: thesis and studying the unusual energy excluded by uranium, and

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Speaker 3: during their investigation that's what they later term radioactivity, they

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Speaker 3: discover the two new elements polonium and radium, and then

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Speaker 3: it really upended everything scientists understood about the material world.

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Speaker 3: And her work shows that atoms were not as they

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Speaker 3: being believed invisible, and the funding boldrooing plots of our universe,

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Speaker 3: and she's just she was just amazing and what she

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Speaker 3: created and the scientific discoveries, but also this really focuses

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Speaker 3: on the human stories of the people and the work

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Speaker 3: and her you know, the people that she works with

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Speaker 3: her labs. And it's fascinating and it looks at that

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Speaker 3: perspective of her work and life and research and all

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Speaker 3: the accolades, and it's a very interesting look at one

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Speaker 3: of the great minds of science and how immense her

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Speaker 3: contribution was and still is to the way that we

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Speaker 3: understand the world, and particularly the periodic table. Main amazing

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Speaker 3: feat what she achieved.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, but that is The Elements of Marie Curry

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Speaker 2: by Dava Sobel and Frame by John Grisham and Jim

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Speaker 2: McCloskey was Catherine's first book. Where both of those will

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Speaker 2: be on the News Talk's EDBE website of course, for

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