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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks ATB.

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Speaker 2: Comedy heavyweight, Eddie Izzard's material has taken on a life

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Speaker 2: of its own. Now going by Suzie Eddie, she doesn't

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Speaker 2: just tell jokes, she has rewritten history. The comedian, actor

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Speaker 2: and politician, yes, politician, has captivated audience with a career

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Speaker 2: that has consistently pushed things forward, and she is literally

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Speaker 2: a trailblazer, having also run more than one hundred marathons.

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Speaker 2: Eddie will grace New Zealand stages with two shows this

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Speaker 2: year that couldn't be more different, taking on all twenty

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Speaker 2: three roles in Shakespeare's Hamlet and remixing some of her

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Speaker 2: most iconic stand up moments from across the last thirty

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Speaker 2: five years of comedy shows. Suzie Eddie is with me

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Speaker 2: this morning, Calder.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, good morning. How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you, delighted to be speaking with you,

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Speaker 2: Delighted that you're going to be coming to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Am I right in thinking you're coming twice? Or are

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Speaker 2: you just planning to sort of get a holiday and

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Speaker 2: stay here a year.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm coming twice.

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Speaker 4: So this is basically what it is Hamlet is what

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Speaker 4: I'm touring at the moment. But I had another day.

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Speaker 4: I have another day of which I haven't been leaning

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Speaker 4: on so much. But I haven't been since before COVID.

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Speaker 4: I haven't been to New Zealand with my comedy. So

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Speaker 4: just like Shakespeare went from his comedies to his dramas

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Speaker 4: and tragedies, so am I. So you can buy two

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Speaker 4: days for me if you are crazy and you want

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Speaker 4: to see the difference. I started off with my drama game.

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Speaker 4: But when I was seven, I wanted to be an act.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to be a I didn't know that

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Speaker 4: you could specialize in comedy. So, just like Shakespeare did,

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Speaker 4: start with his comedies and then he progressed and I'm

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Speaker 4: one of my first My first ever Shakespeare was comedy

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Speaker 4: of Vera's.

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Speaker 3: And now I'm doing a Hamlet.

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Speaker 4: So you can come to see me in uh well,

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Speaker 4: basically in Wellington and Oakland, doing both in christ Yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry you're going to have to take a

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Speaker 4: little flight over to the Northland, but I will be

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Speaker 4: back and I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Tour Hamlet forever.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it starts off with remix and then I

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Speaker 4: come back with Hamlets au fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Let's put her to one side for a moment to

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Speaker 2: ask about it in a couple of minutes. But since

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Speaker 2: you're beginning with remix, it's let's start there. How do

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Speaker 2: you go back and choose the characters you want to

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Speaker 2: play and the skits you want to remix? For a

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Speaker 2: career as distinguished as yours?

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Speaker 3: Distinguished? Thank you for the distinguished. I feel like I

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Speaker 3: should speak like this now.

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Speaker 5: It's well, you are a Shakespearean actor, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 4: I could be going. I am just here waiting until

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Speaker 4: I sound like this. No one of the one of

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Speaker 4: the great things. Well, we're going to watch for later.

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Speaker 4: But things about the Hamlet is that we do not

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Speaker 4: do arcting as it's called.

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Speaker 3: Oh but the wind.

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Speaker 2: Of the now is the winner of our discontent, very glorious. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we.

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Speaker 3: Keep it very vestibal.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, on the comedy, the beautiful thing is I

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Speaker 4: can change at night tonight and so and then people

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Speaker 4: say why are you doing this?

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Speaker 3: Bit? I go, oh, yeah, why am I doing this?

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Speaker 3: But I can put that bit.

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Speaker 4: And I've just come up with a new idea that

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Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about about body. Prince Charlie who

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Speaker 4: was the Jacobite leader in the in the Highlands of Scotland,

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Speaker 4: which I'm sure New Zealand people even though it's not

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Speaker 4: their direct history in the country. New Zealanders, none of

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Speaker 4: them have links back to Britain, and so you can

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Speaker 4: talk about that because they didn't. Yeah, I realized that

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Speaker 4: they didn't need a bonnie Prince Charlie. But he is

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Speaker 3: In Scotland. You know about this, the Jacobite rebellion.

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Speaker 4: Just imagine Highlanders try to They tried to take over

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Speaker 4: the whole of the whole of England and they got

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Speaker 4: a long way, they got halfway down England and they

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Speaker 4: turned udir way back. But it was certainly a Catholic

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Speaker 4: Protestant argument. It's one of those old chestnuts.

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Speaker 3: But he really looks very pretty.

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Speaker 4: That's someone who's a trans woman and you know, has

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Speaker 4: a boyish look about me. I can go, well, that's

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Speaker 4: whip all the tri the tribes, the the well, they're.

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Speaker 3: Not called tribes, they're called the clans.

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Speaker 4: Whipping the clans up into a furor to say, come

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Speaker 4: on and take on the Sassanax the English and and

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Speaker 4: will go south. And what you want is psychopathic Prince Charlie.

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Speaker 4: Don't You don't want Bonnie Prince Charlie, you want cycle.

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Speaker 3: And so I just come up with ideas like they

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Speaker 3: So all these.

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Speaker 4: Ideas going back were like that, where you can play

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Speaker 4: on surely psychopathic Prince Charlie.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't we do that?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: I perfect because he was Italian, he grew up in Italy.

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Speaker 4: He was he was the grandson of the of the

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Speaker 4: guy who had been king and had run away.

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Speaker 3: And so he would have been Italian.

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Speaker 4: Then Billy Conny's done a whole piece on How's how

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Speaker 4: he was very kind of pretty and but this is

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Speaker 4: all I'm leading into the psychopathic edge on it. And

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Speaker 4: so anyway, so I can do so that's new, and

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Speaker 4: I can drop that in if I want, because it's remixed.

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Speaker 4: It's remixing anything in my brain and older stuff. And

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Speaker 4: I literally can go, oh, let's do this, but no

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Speaker 4: that stuff. Let's do this tonight or ad lib and

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Speaker 4: and and it is remix like the Death Star Canteen

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Speaker 4: is a piece I know about Darth Vader, the same

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Speaker 4: we've destroyed all around.

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Speaker 3: Oh love, Yeah, that's what we do. That's start. Let's

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Speaker 3: go down and celebrate in the canteen.

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Speaker 4: And and the woman behind the couster going, you need

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Speaker 4: a trade or I do not need a t and

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Speaker 4: this whole status argument that was going on, but I

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Speaker 4: changed it. It was obviously recorded on one day, goes

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Speaker 4: out and a bit like jazz musicians or I'm going

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Speaker 4: to put Jimmy Page in here. I think night to

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Speaker 4: night Jimmy was doing just different solos. All the great

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Speaker 4: guitarists were doing that, just coming up with different things.

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Speaker 4: And the day that was recorded, that was the Desk

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Speaker 4: Star Canteen version that went out. But I've just moved

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Speaker 4: it about now and moved some of the pieces so

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Speaker 3: I know this, Oh I don't know this.

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Speaker 4: I do know this, I don't know this, and and

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Speaker 4: I just take it off in different directions.

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Speaker 3: So that's what it is. It is a remix with

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Speaker 4: It's the director's cut, the director, act, performers visit.

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Speaker 3: And so it lives.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing is it lives as opposed to it's

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Speaker 4: old and we put it out and it's it's the

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Speaker 4: old prayer from before. It's a it's got essences of that,

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Speaker 4: but also new stuff as well.

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Speaker 2: Every every night is essentially unique, or has the potitial

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Speaker 2: to be unique, and that you might reorder things. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, probably won't be drastically, probably only about five percent different,

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Speaker 4: but you know, I would drop things out put that in, Yes,

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Speaker 4: and it'll had this difference and feels it's like a conversation.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing about my standup.

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Speaker 4: It has this conversational feel as opposed to a ridgide.

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Speaker 3: This is the thing to night and doesn't move.

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Speaker 4: And some people live for that, but I live for

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Speaker 4: the and I think the audiences respond to what I'm

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Speaker 4: doing in in comedy in this way, drama different. You

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Speaker 4: have to set to the to the text of Shakespeare's text,

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Speaker 4: but emotionally I can move it every night.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing I can do.

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Speaker 6: Right, we'll talk about Yeah, so did this involved planning

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Speaker 6: for for the remix to involve kind of a studious

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Speaker 2: The characters you played over the years and say, well,

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Speaker 2: let's age, Well that hasn't necessarily hears something. He's a

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: No, I was lazy, asked, well, you see, it's the

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Speaker 4: jazz thing. The jazz musicians sit down and which shall

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Speaker 4: I use today?

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Speaker 3: No style?

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's more it's jazz. It's let's go with jazz.

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Speaker 3: I go with the jazz players.

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Speaker 4: Because I played Lenny Bruce on stage, and he first

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Speaker 3: Strippers were into it. And then the.

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Speaker 4: Word got out to the college kids and they said,

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Speaker 4: getting more political, so that said, I'm playing for the

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm playing for.

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Speaker 2: Have you been surprised by some of the components that

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Speaker 3: You see they all I designed them to age very well.

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Speaker 3: Ah now if you yeah, yes, yes, that's what I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about. Planning. Yeah, I do plan, But then I'm very.

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Speaker 4: Lazy, so I'm I'm a highly driven, lazy person. So

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Speaker 4: I worked out Monty Python. It's, you know, the silliness

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Speaker 4: at the TV show, which we can all download, you

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Speaker 4: can say, well, that doesn't really work. It's not so funny,

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Speaker 4: but nearly all of it works, and it's stupidity. The

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Speaker 4: completely Twitter the Year Award. You can still do it now.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's fine. But what they decided to do

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Speaker 4: is nothing topical. And if you do topical saying, well

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Speaker 4: is this you know obviously that's so dated. Now you

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Speaker 4: do that, you know, so you I realized you go

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Speaker 4: into politics, and I am planning to go into politics.

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Speaker 3: Brother, I'll do I'll do it differently there, but I'll

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Speaker 3: just keep this all alive. Historical politics you could do.

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Speaker 3: You can historical politics, you know, talking about kings. You

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Speaker 3: know Henry eights, Why did he do this?

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Speaker 4: Why did he fight, you know, in the against the pope.

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Speaker 4: He was with the pope, then it was against the pope.

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Speaker 4: Was he wanted to have a male heir, and he

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Speaker 3: How dare you?

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Speaker 4: The beauty of the poetry is still there. We've micro

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean it sounds, it sounds amazing, and

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Speaker 4: And yes, well you know as soon as you come

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Speaker 2: On that hopeful message. Honestly, thank you so much. We

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Speaker 2: and yeah, we had delight that you're bringing both shows

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Chez that is Susie Eddie is Ard.

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Speaker 5: Tickets for Eddie's Remix tour and the one person performance

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