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Speaker 1: Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio

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Speaker 1: show The Hurdarki Breakfast podcast.

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Speaker 2: Have you met Maniah Neil Neil Manaa.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but my grandson's name is Manyah, so

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Speaker 3: I'm very very happy to meet another Maniyah powerful.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm happy to hear grandson as well. With far

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Speaker 4: out numbered, there's far more female Maniyas than males.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know there's a few. Yeah. And the other

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Speaker 3: thing that you would be well used to and unfortunately

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Speaker 3: happens to our grandson and I who is that on

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Speaker 3: the page? It was written down as Mania?

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Speaker 2: Oh god?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Is that on his birth certificate?

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Speaker 3: No, it's he's Manaiah. But he often gets you know,

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Speaker 3: like if people write his name, they often write mania.

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Speaker 4: This happens to me almost daily, Neil. I tell them

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Speaker 4: that mania is a mental disorder, I would assume, and.

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Speaker 3: I would sympathize with you, empathize.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's all of the vowels. It's just I

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Speaker 2: think I believe Europeans get a bit freaked out when

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Speaker 2: they see three vowels together. It just makes us get you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And also now I had a connection from a

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Speaker 3: lovely woman in Sydney for this call, and she didn't

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Speaker 3: know how to say Hochi either, so it was kind

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Speaker 3: of gets quite confusing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, often a lot of people think that I were

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Speaker 4: for an Evy station. But I tell people when they

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Speaker 4: struggle with my name, like Mania Twain and then and

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Speaker 4: then it colicks for them.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one. I'll tell our Maniah about that one.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Mania Twain will serve them.

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Speaker 2: Well, Neil, who was it that made the initial call

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Speaker 2: to get the band back together?

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Speaker 3: How did God? I can't even actually remember the moment,

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Speaker 3: except that we did a thing last year in my

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Speaker 3: studio where we got together to kind of play for

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Speaker 3: a while and we invited the old members in. We

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Speaker 3: were filming for what potentially will be a split end Stoco,

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Speaker 3: and we just slipped into it so effortlessly and so

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Speaker 3: easily that it became some of the So it became

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Speaker 3: talked about, and then somebody came to us with an offer.

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Speaker 3: It was for Electric Avenue. It was the offer that

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Speaker 3: came through and it just felt like the right time.

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Speaker 3: Somehow it just clicked with the moment. So yeah, we

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Speaker 3: said yes to that, and then of course once we

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Speaker 3: had that was that one show is going to be

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Speaker 3: a bit weird. Maybe we should do do a few more,

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Speaker 3: you know, just to get the old girl really up

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Speaker 2: What was what was a liter gave like?

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Speaker 3: It was amazing We had It was the first show

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Speaker 3: on seventeenth year. It was our thousandth show. It's hard

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Speaker 3: to say that. Actually Noel reminded us somebody had told him,

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Speaker 3: but we had. And we played forty thousand people on

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Speaker 3: a size a stage the size of you know, Coachella,

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Speaker 3: and with our new costumes, and it really went as

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Speaker 3: well as we possibly could have hoped. All the crowd

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Speaker 3: was singing, they were sort of euphoric, and I'd say

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Speaker 3: a good proportion of them, if not the majority, probably

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Speaker 3: weren't even born when the songs were first written. So

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Speaker 3: it was just an amazing reminder of how songs stay

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Speaker 3: in the air and how they just traveled through the

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Speaker 3: years and accompanyed people and their good times and they're

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Speaker 3: all together. It didn't feel different, you know, it felt

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Speaker 3: like we were on stage just like it had always been.

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Speaker 3: And you look out this audience and they all looked

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Speaker 3: like the same, you know, some of the some of

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Speaker 3: the people were old and you know, like us, but

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Speaker 3: some of them were lots of them were real younger

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Speaker 3: like they always were.

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Speaker 2: You know, so many hits. How do you decide the

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Speaker 2: set list? Is that? Does that? Does one person end up?

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Speaker 2: Do you have to say? Okay, Well, in the end,

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Speaker 2: we can all make suggestions and then I'm going to

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Speaker 2: of Vito Well.

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Speaker 3: Tim probably would be the one who wrangled this set

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Speaker 3: list mostly, but we all you know, waged in for

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Speaker 3: of songs that became quite well known, like I think

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Speaker 3: Poor boyd doubt that was ever a single, but it

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Speaker 3: maybe a couple of the old songs from the early days,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, term is probably at the center of things.

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Speaker 3: He sings, you know, more songs than I do, so

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Speaker 3: he wants to mistake his claim. But it was a

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Speaker 3: pretty democratic band. There's a few vetos here and there

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Speaker 3: We're getting on really well.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned it was your thousandth show. Were you guys

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Speaker 4: aware of that before that show? Were you sitting on

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Speaker 4: nine nine nine things? And come on, we're going to

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Speaker 4: get one more on the record, surely.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, Noel was the one. And Nol is

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Speaker 3: not a statistics guy, you know, he's not. He sits

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Speaker 3: He came into rehearsal and said, yeah, do you guys

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Speaker 3: realize it's you know, a thousand shows coming up? We

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Speaker 2: So you've got obviously got Tim and you and Eddies

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Speaker 2: as well, and James Milne as well. Lawrence Ape people

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Speaker 2: who know him as Lawrence Arabia. So how did those

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Speaker 2: been shitting their pants. They're about to play with arguably

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Speaker 2: the biggest New Zealand band in history. Did you have

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Speaker 2: any words to say to them before they went out there,

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Speaker 2: just to ease the nerves or did you ramp it

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Speaker 3: I had to give James a hug not long before

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Speaker 3: we went on because I was having We actually had

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Speaker 3: To smooth out the rough edges. You know. We stopped

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I was getting my getting my makeup done from a

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Speaker 3: He was very nervous. Matt I think was very nervous too,

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Speaker 2: It's freaky. It's a freaky thing. I mean, how's the

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Speaker 2: dynamic change. Obviously it's changed massively since you first arrived

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Speaker 2: in the band as a teenager. I mean you've got

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Speaker 2: a lot more clout nowadays. I imagine with not only

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Speaker 3: A sort of all. I'm still the youngest in Eddie's eyes.

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Speaker 3: He'll still every now and again motion for me to

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Speaker 3: won't now. I used to, you know, that was one

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Speaker 4: What about your relationship with the songs you mentioned before?

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Speaker 4: You know, there's some songs that make the playlist, there's

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Speaker 4: some songs that get vetoed. Does that change over time

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's discussion about you know, there's certain songs that

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Speaker 3: you know, there might be a song that's really hard

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Speaker 3: for Tim to sing the lyrics of because he doesn't

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Speaker 3: believe them anymore, or you know, there might be one

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Speaker 3: that Eddie says, there's no way remember how to play that,

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Speaker 3: although he always says that, but he always manages. Usually

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Speaker 3: he's quite an extraordinary musician, as you'll you know, people

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Speaker 3: come to see us play. I hadn't forgotten, but it

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Speaker 3: and he remembered everything. In the end, he did put

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Speaker 3: before we went on, but it didn't seem to matter.

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Speaker 2: Once we got on stage, where do you draw the line,

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Speaker 2: like in terms of solo stuff and crowded house stuff.

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Speaker 2: Do you because people be wanting you to bult out

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Speaker 2: some crowded house stuff, do you do you go there?

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Speaker 3: We don't need to because the crowded House are out

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Speaker 3: couple I've done I Got you on stage with Crowded

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Speaker 3: and I do Message to my girls some nights as well,

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Speaker 3: so we do keep some of the couple of those

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Speaker 3: don't think we would need to venture into any other territory.

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Speaker 3: People are quite happy to get those and there's a

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Speaker 3: full set of really well, you know, well loved songs.

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Speaker 3: So and we're still doing Crowded House and loving that

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Speaker 3: very feeling, very grateful.

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Speaker 4: So no no covers in the city either. Is that

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Speaker 4: something you guys like to have.

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Speaker 3: A crowd We've never we never we occasionally had covers

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Speaker 3: that were just sort of off the cuff. Any used

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Speaker 3: to do a pretty crazy version of feelings. That Feelings.

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Speaker 2: Not the Deja Voodoo song, I hope.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know that one. I don't know. There's

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Speaker 3: a well known it from America, some American artists Feelings Feelings,

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Speaker 3: you know that song. Maybe it's before your time.

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Speaker 2: No, that's hard. I don't know if I do.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, girl, these feelings are love. It's a

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Speaker 3: belter from the sixties or seventies. Eddie does that and

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Speaker 3: then possibly hide pitch and he can't really sing, so

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Speaker 2: was remaster Yeah, what was he remastering? He's mastering. I

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, is there any any bits that you've

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Speaker 2: just had to auto tune Tim's voice? You know, any

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and even tuning is you know. I like some

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Speaker 2: Hey, what happens after the shows? Are you guys getting

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Speaker 3: Yeah? The four works, Jeremy, we just went totally mad.

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Speaker 3: We had like seventeen years of partying, git done on

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Speaker 3: I was. I think I saw good Night Kiwi TV.

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Speaker 2: Nothing ever stops anymore? This is the thing. Everything just

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Speaker 3: It used to be the saddest thing moment on earth

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Speaker 2: There's something about the hauntingness of the of the organ

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Speaker 3: It is beautiful and sad and melancholy, and I love

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Speaker 3: so it's sad and melancholy. But we used to come

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Speaker 3: night Kiwi. Come on. We were in a late cycle

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Speaker 3: and we just it just felt so sad. Better not

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Speaker 4: That's like I said, the sun come up after a

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Speaker 4: big night out. All right, all right, that's enough.

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Speaker 2: Right, Hey, hey Neil, lovely to chat to you and

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Speaker 2: and really looking forward to you seeing you guys play.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for chatting to us. It's always a great pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jeremy, Thanks Mania, you have a good day.

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Speaker 2: Amazing Neil, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Beers mate, Yeah, how the anything's going, by the way,

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Speaker 3: anytime you're passing from you know, an apple or a muffin.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy, Ah, I thought of you yesterday when I ate

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Speaker 2: a jazz. I bought a jazz for the first time

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Speaker 3: Oh look you I do love my jazz. But there's

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Speaker 3: other ones. Now we've we've been introduced to a couple

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Speaker 3: of new months. God I come in with. The latest

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Speaker 3: one was called actually but it was nice, Chris, crispy

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Speaker 2: It wasn't Ambrosia, was it? Because those were.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think it was because I know those ones. No,

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you next time I see you.

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Speaker 2: The other one is the ruby red kiwi fruit, which

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Speaker 2: I'm which I'm all over at the moment. They look

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Speaker 2: like kind of they got tamarillo middle, but the park

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Speaker 3: Always a big kvy fruit guy, so he'll he'll want

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Speaker 2: Oh man, they're good. They've only got about a month

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Speaker 2: season and then they're gone. But they're like, oh they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the black Doris blood plums were out

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Speaker 3: for about two weeks. But yeah, anyway, enough enough, I thanks, Thanks, Neil.

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