1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Now onto something completely different. Z Energy has apologized for 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: any confusion caused by an advertising campaign that it ran 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: three years ago. You might remember the campaign. It said 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: that Z Energy was in the business of getting out 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: of the petrol business. Now, Consumer New Zealand and some 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: climate groups said this was untrue and it was greenwashing 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: and took some legal action. It's now been settled out 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: of court. Now Lindas Jones is the Z Energy chief 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: executive and with US now Highlands HI that So, what 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: is it that you're apologizing for. 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, that statement was intended to be 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: bold and provocative and it was designed to provoke people 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: to think about Z differently, not just a fuel provider. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: But to the extent that we left any confusion that 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: we're getting out of selling people petrol anytime soon, we've 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: apologized and that just reflects our role in the economy 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: and people's lives that no customers should be confused now 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: or in the future about anything that we say. 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Are you ever going to stop selling petrol? 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: It's my role is to ensure that we provide the constant, 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: reliable supply of energy to customers and that's something we 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: take seriously and that's not just the fuel that we 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: sell today, but where possible we help customers if they 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: want to transition to evs and lower emission sorts of vehicles. 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: So the civil answers I don't know, but my role 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: is to make it as easy as possible for when 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: customers want to transition, to make that choice easy for them. 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean, because you can see how this does feel 29 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: like greenwashing, Like if you say you're getting out of 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: the petrol business, but you don't actually think you're going 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: to get out of the petrol business, then it feels 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: like greenwashing. 33 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: Well, I disagree with that. It was made against the 34 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: background of significant investment and plans and strategies, so things 35 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: that we've done, things we're planning to. 36 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Do in such linder Stob, not with any real prospect 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: of ever getting out of the petrol business. Like you're 38 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: not going to stop selling petrol, are you? 39 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: I think there will come a time when there are 40 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: are that's subject a whole lot of uncertainty. 41 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: And away though, isn't it like if I'm for you today, 42 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: I might never see that day. 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: Well, if we don't start the transition now, we'll never 44 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: get there. And it's something that we do need to 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: get an action over it because every day, year and 46 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: month an election term that we wait, that's going to 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: make the problems harder to deal with in the future. 48 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm mean, I take your point. Do you can 49 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: you see why this upset the climate groups. 50 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: Look, this is a case where we've just agreed to disagree. 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: That statement was made alongside a whole lot of other 52 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: information that can textualize it and provided background. So you know, 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 2: it's a case of we've agreed to disagree and they've 54 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: dropped the claim. 55 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: Okay, and you'll be more careful with your claims in 56 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: the future. 57 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: Well, what I've learned from this is two things. The 58 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: first thing is, or it's reiterated to me that customers 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: should be absolutely able to try everything that you say. 60 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: It's not up to customers to kind of second guess, 61 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: So being absolutely clear and transparent matters. And yes, Secondly, 62 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: I think the putting yourself at any risk ground this 63 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: is something we've got to be very careful about. And 64 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: one of the one of the considerations from that is 65 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: that it could tempt us to say less and disclose less, 66 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: and I just think that's the wrong thing to do. 67 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: For a whole lot of reasons say what less, disclose 68 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: what less? 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: Ah. So one of the things that we've always prided 70 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: ourselves on, ZET has been absolutely transparent about our business 71 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: intends of the emissions disclosures with that's the missions from 72 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: our business or the emissions from customers and all sorts 73 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: of reporting. I think we've been very transparent with the 74 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: purpose of for recognizing actually the business that we're in. 75 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: So that transparency, we believes always been critical to people 76 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: trusting us. However, a lot of that hasn't been required 77 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: or necessary, so you could take a view it's safer 78 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: just to say less disclosed less. I don't think that's 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: the right thing, all right, that would be the temptation 80 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: with this sort of litigation. 81 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: Right, Lindas, Thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's Linda's 82 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: Jones Z Energy Chief Executive. 83 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 84 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 2: News Talk z'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 85 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.