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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Oring It's Heather Duper c Eland Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Let's get connected News.

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Speaker 2: Talks V Good Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Coming up on the show today, Transport Minister Chris Bishop

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Speaker 3: on his plans to ditch the petrol tax and ruck

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Speaker 3: everyone instead, Westpac on that unemployment number coming in a

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Speaker 3: little lower than we expected, and New World's bosses coming

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Speaker 3: on to talk about them running out of the sticker

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Speaker 3: prizes again.

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Speaker 2: Heather Dupericy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So, the government's just announced what they're calling the biggest

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Speaker 3: change to road funding in fifty years. Once these changes

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Speaker 3: cack in, and we don't know when that is just yeend.

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Speaker 3: But once they kick in, petrol taxes are out and

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Speaker 3: rucks road user charges are in. And this is for everyone, right,

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Speaker 3: It's not just the truckies and the EV drivers and

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Speaker 3: the diesel uses. Every single one of us is going

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Speaker 3: to have to pay the rucks. Not really a surprise

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Speaker 3: that this is happening, because the government flagged this a

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago at least, but the work is

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Speaker 3: now starting. Cabinet has now agreed to start changing the

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Speaker 3: law on it. Generally, I think this is a good idea.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is going to make the

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Speaker 3: whole system a lot more transparent because most of us

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Speaker 3: have no idea when we fill up at the petrol

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Speaker 3: station how much we're paying to use the road. It's

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Speaker 3: hidden in the petrol cost, isn't it. But once it's

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Speaker 3: stripped out, it's going to smack us in the face

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Speaker 3: every month or however often we pay that bill and

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Speaker 3: we can make a decision based on that. It's actually

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Speaker 3: quite a lot of money that you're paying to use

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Speaker 3: the road. Tax makes up almost half the cost of petrol.

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Speaker 3: So once you get that bill, you can decide if

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Speaker 3: you want to drive a little bit less, drive a

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Speaker 3: little bit more, whatever you want to do. It's going

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Speaker 3: to also, if design, probably change our behavior for the

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Speaker 3: better when it comes to choosing our cars, because heavier

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Speaker 3: because they do a lot more damage to the roads.

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Speaker 3: For example, electric vehicles are enormously heavy and will be

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Speaker 3: pot holing the road a lot more than your lighter

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Speaker 3: Suzuki Swift. That should, if we respond rationally to pricing,

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Speaker 3: make us move towards lighter vehicles and away from this

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Speaker 3: trend of bigger is better all the time, which is,

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Speaker 3: as I say, better for road maintenance. But and here's

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Speaker 3: the butt everything here I think hangs off on the

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Speaker 3: enforcement because this is ripe for gaming. The very same

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Speaker 3: people who do not get a WAFF, who do not

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Speaker 3: get a red Joe now will not get their rucks.

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Speaker 3: Am I imagining it? Or was it not also the

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Speaker 3: case that the EV drivers, when they were made to

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Speaker 3: getting rucks for a whole lot there. So if you've

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Speaker 3: got wealthy EV drivers who are happy to go around

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Speaker 3: pretending to have a ruck when they own actually well,

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Speaker 3: what about the rest of us? If you're going from

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Speaker 3: a really simple system where you just basically get it

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Speaker 3: a more complex count the caves and file the paperwork system,

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Speaker 3: how are you going to be sure that absolutely everybody

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Speaker 3: announcement light on detail, very light on detail, that is

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Speaker 3: the question I have. But in theory, very good idea.

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Speaker 2: Heather Doopers, the alum take you.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen nine two is the text number. As I've said,

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Speaker 3: Chris Bishop, the Transport Ministers with us on that after

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Speaker 3: five o'clock. Now, Shane Jones has announced it overhaul of

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Speaker 3: our commercial fishing laws. He's going to change the way

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Speaker 3: that catch limits are set and make it so that

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Speaker 3: through THEYA the Official Information Act like we can at

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Speaker 3: the moment. Scott macindo is the president of the Sport

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Speaker 3: Fishing Council and with us. Now, Hey Scott, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Do you like these changes?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 5: We've made a reasoning very clear in the submission that

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Speaker 6: Dry dentse reading.

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Speaker 5: Anyone who takes any of these proposals seriously and takes

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Speaker 5: them forward into legislation, really, we're staggered. Nothing of what

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Speaker 5: we've offered has been to taken seriously. So no, we're

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Speaker 5: very unhappy.

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Speaker 3: What don't you like about it?

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Speaker 5: We're dealing with twelve proposals. They're all different, the first

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Speaker 5: one multi and we're not going to have time to

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Speaker 5: go through them one at a time. And believe you me,

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Speaker 5: this stuff is very conceptual and complex. The first one

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Speaker 5: multi year catch decisions. Opening sentence rejected outright. We've watched

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Speaker 5: multi year catch decisions used and fail in a number

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Speaker 5: of instances. One that's really close and near and dear

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Speaker 5: to our hearts is the Hanaky Gulf Pray fishery, what

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Speaker 5: we call Area two, which goes from Mungawai in the

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Speaker 5: north all the way down to Cape Runaway, where using

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Speaker 5: these pre set decision rules, I should say, allowing for

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Speaker 5: industry to drive the management of these fisheries based on

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Speaker 5: their catch per unit of effort, which is like a

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Speaker 5: proxy for an abundance index, already lost the audience and

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Speaker 5: blinded them with science. Ow that fishery down to a

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Speaker 5: bizarre three hundred grams of crayfish per pot lift. They

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Speaker 5: had to they had to lift three crayfish pods to

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Speaker 3: So what saying is they can't regulate themselves, right, They

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Speaker 3: can't say, hey, things are getting low, let's just let's

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Speaker 7: Correct.

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Speaker 5: What, in essence, what we're saying is that the use

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Speaker 5: of property rights to manage fisheries, this is the quota

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Speaker 5: management system is not working. And we've been consistent on

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Speaker 5: this for twenty five years, and with one fishery after

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Speaker 5: another going over the cliff, scarlets gone, harpooker bass. They're

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Speaker 5: a distant memory for most of us that you can

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Speaker 5: still travel way way out to see and catch a

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Speaker 5: few harpooker if you're a commercial fisherman, that their serial

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Speaker 5: depletion has seen them vanishing the lakes of our Gernard

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Speaker 5: and John Dori Tarakihi massively over allocated. They can't possibly

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Speaker 5: they try. So we're saying, hey, guys, let's stop this

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Speaker 3: What about the fact that you can't you won't be

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Speaker 3: able to use the OIA to access what's been going

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Speaker 5: The defense is the privacy of those men and women

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Speaker 5: that when cameras were implemented, the catch of protected species

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Speaker 5: I'm fishing with respect. I'm doing my best to utilize

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Speaker 5: be willing to pay for that good behavior, for that respect. Scott,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. That's Scott Macindo,

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Speaker 3: Sport Fishing Council President. Sorry to see the texts coming in,

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Speaker 3: so I'm sure we're going to get a bit of

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Speaker 3: feedback on that. Did you realize pac Man, by the way,

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Speaker 3: is celebrating forty five years this year, forty five years old.

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Speaker 3: It started in nineteen seventy and it came about. This

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Speaker 3: about because the guy who designed it, name is Todu Iwatani,

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Speaker 3: was comfort eating a salami pizza. He had the whole pizza.

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Speaker 3: The whole pizza, because you know, this is how they

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Speaker 3: thus it was born. Quarter past four.

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Speaker 3: Forty five years since nineteen seventy Heather face palm, fair enough,

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Speaker 3: I should have clarified that in nineteen seventy he ate

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Speaker 3: the pizza and saw the pac Man. It took him

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Speaker 3: forty five years, eighteen past four and Darcy Watergrave Sports

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Speaker 3: Talk hoosters with that's hello.

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Speaker 8: Does I've got no idea what you're talking about? And

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Speaker 8: that's probably a good thing. Hello, Heather, Hell are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm interested in these eligibility rules that are

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Speaker 3: being changed for rugby Australia.

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Speaker 8: Oh, they've dropkicked that, they've gone out forget about. This

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Speaker 8: Well, they haven't been enforced for some time. They've not

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Speaker 8: been really hard line on this guitar law. Sixty plus

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Speaker 8: Joe Schmid can pick whoever he wants the shot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the Aussies are now doing this, they can

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Speaker 3: pick players playing overseas. Aren't the Saffas doing this as well? Ah,

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Speaker 3: the Archies are doing this? How long before we're doing this?

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Speaker 3: Never that is, you know that's not true. We cannot

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Speaker 3: in Japan at the moment. You know the handsome one

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Speaker 8: To pause when I said that, because I'm not entirely

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Speaker 8: sure I find any other man handsome.

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Speaker 3: But he is handsome.

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Speaker 9: Though well you may.

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Speaker 8: Think I'm the most handsome man I've ever met. I

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Speaker 3: We are going to Darcy. We've almost broke that rule

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Speaker 8: Well, we've got a very flexible rule because if they

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Speaker 8: kick out enough of the stink and they're good enough,

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Speaker 8: they can do what they want. And then they go,

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Speaker 8: why don't you have a sabada call? Which is in

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Speaker 8: a Sabbat call and then come back and make it.

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Speaker 10: It's going to be okay.

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Speaker 8: Look, they're slowly but surely loosening, if you will. But

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Speaker 8: I don't see in the near future, not in the

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Speaker 8: next few years, a time where enz are goes. I

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Speaker 8: forget about it. Run, it doesn't matter. We don't care anymore.

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Speaker 8: I think it'll be too destructive for New Zealand rugby

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Speaker 8: as a whole to do that. What I'm interested with

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Speaker 10: What happens to Australian Super rugby.

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Speaker 8: They've just managed to get themselves back up into a

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Speaker 8: decent position, and that only happened because one of their

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Speaker 8: I might not play.

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Speaker 3: Super right now, Darcy, if you think about this, and

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Speaker 3: if you're honest about this, if their teams start falling

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do Super Rugby, I'm off to

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Speaker 3: Phil and Hillary Clinton have been subpoended by the Congressional

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Speaker 13: It only stands to reason that if you're looking around

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Speaker 3: Jane Mitchinson, US correspondent, Hello Dan, Hey, Heather, So what

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Speaker 3: was Donald Trump doing on the roof of the White House?

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Speaker 3: I couldn't quite figure that out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, listen to all of us. Don't imitate a

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Speaker 14: Isn't it though? A Gallup took this poll and they

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Speaker 14: Vance was on that list as well, and then you

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Speaker 3: Dan, good to talk to you, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: It's Dan Mitchison, US correspondent here. That the owners of

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Speaker 3: small cars use less petrol and thus pay less tax,

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Speaker 3: the owners of big gas guzzlers use more petrol and

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Speaker 3: thus pay more tax. Simple user pays system right there.

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Speaker 3: It is a user pays system, right They're the only

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Speaker 3: trouble with that is that electric vehicles are incredibly heavy

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Speaker 3: and use no petrol at all, and so they're not

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Speaker 3: actually paying for what the damage they're doing to the roads. However,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they do pay their rucks, but I think

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Speaker 3: the whole system, I kind of get the feeling that

447
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Speaker 3: the weight categories don't accurately reflect what's going on out there,

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Speaker 3: and I feel like it needs a cole redesign. And

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Speaker 3: the tiny little Suzuki swifts need to pay just a

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Speaker 3: little bit of money, and the big old teslers need

451
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Speaker 3: to pay a lot of money because they're rarely potholing

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Speaker 3: the road up And you know what, I'd chuck in

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Speaker 3: there as well. While I'm at it as I'd start

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Speaker 3: making the bikes pay, wouldn't you? You want to zip

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Speaker 3: around in your fancy little psychle way I built for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you'll pay. And when I say you, I do mean

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Speaker 3: me because I ride a bicycle on the cycleway from

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Speaker 3: time to time and I should pay for it. It shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be free, should it? Nineteen away from five now, Murray,

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Speaker 3: A big day for Murraydeka today. If you remember, Murray

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Speaker 3: Deeka was on the radio with us maybe I want

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Speaker 3: to say, two weeks ago, complaining about the tree. The

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Speaker 3: hearing is underway today. Now this is the hearing, the

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Speaker 3: council hearing where I mean, can you Oh, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to come back to it anyway. This is the council

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Speaker 3: hearing where Murray and all of the fallow residents, all

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Speaker 3: of Murray's fallow residents at the apartment complex on the

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Speaker 3: North Shore are asking the council please for permission if

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Speaker 3: they could just get rid of the big tree that

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Speaker 3: fell on their land three years ago, because there haven't

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Speaker 3: been It's a big perd Kawa and they haven't been

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Speaker 3: able to clear it away because the EWE loves it.

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Speaker 3: It is of cultural significance to the EWEI. I mean

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Speaker 3: it sucks a bit that the tree that's of cultural

475
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Speaker 3: significance to the EWI has fallen on private property and

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Speaker 3: is gigantic and is lying there across private property. I

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Speaker 3: feel like it's a slam dunk case for me if

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Speaker 3: I was on the council. But anyway, I'm not. So

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Speaker 3: the council is going to hear submissions from residence throughout

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Speaker 3: the day and then presumably at some stake stage, make

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Speaker 3: a decision. Does it not grind your gears at a

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Speaker 3: high rate of revs that this is the kind of

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Speaker 3: crap that the council is having to deal with. Somebody

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Speaker 3: in council just needs to go, Okay, you know what

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Speaker 3: this is ridiculous? Is that a special tree? Plant another one.

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Speaker 3: Move on, jog on, move on, get another tree, Plant

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Speaker 3: a tree anyway you want. Go and get yourself another

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Speaker 3: powder cover planted. That can be your new cultural significance.

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Speaker 3: This tree, this is on private property. We're chopping it.

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Speaker 3: Can somebody not just make the obvious call rather than

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Speaker 3: wasting like how much time on this tree? If they're

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Speaker 3: wasting this much time on one tree, how much time

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Speaker 3: are they wasting on all of the trees that are

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Speaker 3: of cultural significance. Seventeen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics credit, check your customers and get payments Certay.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I've got an update on Chris Hopkins and the

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Speaker 3: Labor Party and the oil and gas ban apropos what

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Speaker 3: we were talking about yesterday. Right now, it's fourteen away

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Speaker 3: from five and Barri Soper, Senior Political correspondence here. Barry, Hello,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 10: They can't overturn any decision to reverse the oil and

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Speaker 10: gas band.

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Speaker 3: Just wait for it, Beary, your wait longer not going

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Speaker 3: to I've heard him say, Okay, you can wait for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Alse can hear the update and the tech. Now, what

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Speaker 3: do you make of the road user charges?

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, initially, like you, I think I quite

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Speaker 10: like the idea of them, but there are so many

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Speaker 10: sort of anomalies in the system. Like one of your

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Speaker 10: listeners pointed out, small cars like Suzuki swifts are they're

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Speaker 10: not as hard on the road as a big ute

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Speaker 10: or you know, a heavy electric car, So there's a

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Speaker 10: problem there. But it is really open to being gamed

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Speaker 10: the system, and it is at the moment, and that's

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Speaker 10: because it's I guess a paper system as opposed to

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Speaker 10: an electronic system, and clearly they're working on that. Chris

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Speaker 10: Bishop causes they're going to be it will be the

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Speaker 10: old system is outdated and a new system will be

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Speaker 10: in place. They'll allow digital rock records, enabling more types

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Speaker 10: of electronic rock devices, and some apparently are already built

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Speaker 10: into new cars, which is quite interesting that so they

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Speaker 10: can be adapted for it. But you know, he says

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Speaker 10: that in the end, you should be able to pay

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Speaker 10: your road user charger's bill like you pay your Netflix bill,

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Speaker 10: or like you pay any other bill once a month.

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Speaker 10: But you know what about those like you pointed out

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Speaker 10: that don't drive around with an unregistered car.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, then the problem with your Netflix spill

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Speaker 3: or the comparison is not a straight comparison, because if

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Speaker 3: you do not pay your Netflix bill, your Netflix is

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Speaker 3: not going to turn off, that's right. But if you

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Speaker 3: do not pay your ruck spill, you're just going to

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Speaker 3: be able to drive. Your car doesn't stop working, does.

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Speaker 10: It, And that's right. If you're unregistered, who's to know

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Speaker 10: that you're even on the road. That's the problem. So

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Speaker 10: I don't know how they're going to build in the

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Speaker 10: checks and balances, No doubt Chris Bishop will be able

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Speaker 10: to explain that although you know the system is not

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Speaker 10: going to come into place in short order, I mean

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Speaker 10: they will, I think by next year legislation will be introduced.

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Speaker 10: But he says the following year, that's the year after

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Speaker 10: the election, the ruck system will be open for business. Well,

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Speaker 10: whatever that means, I guess he'll explain what it does

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Speaker 10: mean in fate.

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Speaker 3: So is the Pay Equity People Select Committee starting next week?

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Speaker 10: Yes, this is the People's Select Committee? And I was faking.

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Speaker 3: It's got very Chinese Communist Party vibes about it, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Well People's Committee.

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Speaker 10: Well that's right, and you just have to wonder what

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Speaker 10: it's going to achieve. They say they've got fifteen hundred

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Speaker 10: submissions that they'll be considering.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 10: This committee was thought up by Marilyn Wearing, who, of

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Speaker 10: course some would say cause the schnapper or snap selection

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Speaker 10: of Rob muldoon by crossing the floor on the nuclear

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Speaker 10: issue with the Labor Party and got out of Parliament

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Speaker 10: the same year. But so she's come back. She formed

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Speaker 10: this committee and they're going to have a rotating chair now.

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Speaker 10: It's going to begin next Monday, and guess who the

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Speaker 10: first chair is. She's been brought out of retirement recent retirement.

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Speaker 10: Might say, Nana, I'm a Houda. And you know, the

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Speaker 10: thing about this pay equity thing that people tend to

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Speaker 10: lose face on is that, you know, occupations being compared

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Speaker 10: to other occupations that have no resemblance to each other.

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Speaker 10: So it's not a case of necessarily women being paid

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Speaker 10: less than the same occupation. You can't compare policemen with

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Speaker 10: I don't know, nurses or mechanics or whatever. So you know,

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Speaker 10: it's a silly system. So the first hearing will be

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Speaker 10: held next Monday. But the interesting thing to me is

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Speaker 10: I thought, well, who's going to pay for this People's

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Speaker 10: select Committee? Well, the first meeting is at the National

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Speaker 10: Library in Wellington next Monday, so I guess it's pretty

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Speaker 10: much self funding. But the subsequent ones are going to

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Speaker 10: be all online, so it's not going to be that

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Speaker 10: expensive to run.

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Speaker 15: I see.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now that woman who was used in the Hobson's

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Speaker 3: Pledge ad without her consent and without her knowledge, does

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Speaker 3: have a fair case here to be upset.

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Speaker 10: A woman called Alan Tummitty. I think it's terrible. You

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Speaker 10: imagine it. You're out on the road and you see

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Speaker 10: a poster with your own face on it endorsing something

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Speaker 10: saying that you're opposed to Maury Wards, and this woman

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Speaker 10: apparently is totally for Maori Wards and says that you

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Speaker 10: know it should never have been posted in this way. Well,

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Speaker 10: she was apparently, it seems, with an agency that had

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Speaker 10: her photo on basically within the system and was only

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Speaker 10: meant to be used for editorial purposes, not for advertising

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Speaker 10: like this. So Hobson's pledge, who put out these billboards

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Speaker 10: love apologized to the woman quite profusely and said they

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Speaker 10: didn't want to cause any upset. They thought it was

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Speaker 10: a stock photo that was able to be used, so

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Speaker 10: I don't think they can be blamed for it. But

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Speaker 10: of course you've got the MILDI Party weighing on on it.

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Speaker 10: The co leader Rivalry White to Tea. He says, to

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Speaker 10: use our beautiful Cooyer's photo or any other Mari intellectual

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Speaker 10: probably to prop up a racist agenda, So he sees

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Speaker 10: it as being racist deliberately. So well, Hobson's pledge have

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Speaker 10: come out quite clearly and said it's not I wish.

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Speaker 10: Sometimes before he opens his mouth, he thinks about what

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Speaker 10: is the background to these issues?

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Speaker 3: Honestly that man all right, Barry, thanks very much. Barry Soper,

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Speaker 3: Senior political correspondent, nine away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast, it's.

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Speaker 16: A green light on the foreshore and sea bed been

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Speaker 16: stuck in court of course, Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith, what

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Speaker 16: if the Supreme Court hadn't gone against the.

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Speaker 17: Appeal, well, then we would have just carried on with

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Speaker 17: our legislation and passed it in descended lastly, because why Paul,

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Speaker 17: you are the ultimate court in the land.

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Speaker 16: Who gives some monkeys what the appeal courts is?

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Speaker 14: Well, we obviously take very seriously.

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Speaker 2: Why bring court SAIDs or.

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Speaker 16: The old court of the land. If you want to

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Speaker 16: do something, do it, yes, but we take these things

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Speaker 16: seriously because everybody obviously has an interest of wors on

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Speaker 16: the coast es. So basically you're going back to twenty eleven.

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Speaker 16: Was just a few agitators hired I'm sure at taxpayers

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Speaker 16: expen some lawyers to go to the appeal Court, then

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Speaker 16: the Supreme Court. That's how it unfolded, wasn't it. Back

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Speaker 16: tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a

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Speaker 16: Vida News Talk zaid B Hither.

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Speaker 3: We live in the apartments next door to the strand

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Speaker 3: where Murray decas and several years ago we had five

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Speaker 3: massive for her tokar will fall on our large grass area,

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Speaker 3: same council. What a fight to have them removed. I mean, honestly, listen,

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Speaker 3: this is why I hate stupid rules. So the minute

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Speaker 3: you put in a stupid rule, then then there are

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Speaker 3: going to be people who enforced stupid rules. And then

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Speaker 3: you have to go to the council for a whole

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Speaker 3: day to ask if you can get a tree removed

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Speaker 3: from your property. So next time you go, you know what,

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Speaker 3: we need a rule for that. Just think about what

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Speaker 3: happens when people start enforcing that stupid rule and then

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Speaker 3: you have to live with that five away from five.

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Speaker 3: By the way, have you have you heard how Lima

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Speaker 3: Sepuanga came back to play for why kuttle? Because you

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Speaker 3: know last week we found out he back out of

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Speaker 3: the blue playing again. Apparently what happened was he's back

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Speaker 3: in Hamilton, played a round of golf, went to Flaggies,

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Speaker 3: which is a sports bar. He was there with his

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Speaker 3: wife's stepfather. They were having a couple of drinks or whatever,

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Speaker 3: and they bumped into the y Cuttle coach and the

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Speaker 3: White Cuttle coach said to him, bro, what are you

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Speaker 3: up to? And he said, oh, not much, and then

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Speaker 3: he said, I'll give you a call. And a few

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Speaker 3: days later this is Lima. Lima was back in the

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Speaker 3: White Cuttle officers signing a one dollar contract and he's back.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that a great yarn? So next time somebody offers

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Speaker 3: you a round of golf and a drink at Flaggies,

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Speaker 3: do it because you never know what's going to happen

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Speaker 3: to yourself. So here's the update on the Labor party.

653
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Speaker 3: In the oil and gas ban. They are now back

654
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Speaker 3: to promising that they're going to ban oil and gas

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Speaker 3: exploration again. They just they have just gone yes we're

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Speaker 3: gonna ban it. No we're not gonna ban it. Yes

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Speaker 3: we're going to be that's what they've just done. So

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Speaker 3: in August they said they were banning it. Then yesterday

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Speaker 3: they said they're not banning it because they're actually not

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Speaker 3: sure what their policy is going to be. They haven't

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Speaker 3: finished thinking about their policy yet. And then that lasted

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours and now, yes, they're going to ban

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Speaker 3: it again because Megan has spoken to Carbon News. Don't worry,

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Speaker 3: no one reads it, but people in the industry do.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 3: Meghan said to Carbon News in a statement that Labor

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Speaker 3: would reinstate a ban on new oil and gas exploration permits.

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Speaker 3: What the hell is going on with Labor, because I mean,

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Speaker 3: is she and freaking Chris Haipkins not talking to each

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Speaker 3: other about this? Because if she's putting out a statement,

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Speaker 3: then surely there's been signed off by the people who

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Speaker 3: sign off on the statements, right And surely if she's

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Speaker 3: put if they're signing off on that statement, then they're

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Speaker 3: saying to freaking Chris Hippins before he goes on the

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Speaker 3: radio and talks about it, thinking, you know, we are

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Speaker 3: going to ban this thing. The problem with this, and

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't really care what they do with themselves,

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Speaker 3: because you know, it's mid of the midway through the cycle.

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Speaker 3: It's not like we're an election at the moment. But

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Speaker 3: the problem is if you're a foreign investor looking at

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Speaker 3: this and you're going you know that that guy might

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Speaker 3: actually be the Prime minister again, but he's gonna Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're not sure what is you're not gonna put your

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Speaker 3: money in. You're not gonna put your money into this country.

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Speaker 3: So Shane Jones can try as hard as he likes,

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Speaker 3: as long as as long as the Labor Party is

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Speaker 3: all banned. No ban ban ban, no ban ban, no ban,

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Speaker 3: No money come in our way. Yep, head Sharing Sapphire

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Speaker 3: the song of the Year at the MTV VMA's There's

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Speaker 3: no accounting for taste, is there? It's in their head?

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Speaker 3: Sharon Sapphire, Yaya christ Bishops with us next newstb.

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Speaker 1: Listen, questions, answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Let's Get Connected News talks.

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Speaker 3: That afternoon the government will scrap petrol taxes and replace

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Speaker 3: them instead with road user charges for everyone. The petrol

697
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Speaker 3: tax is about seventy cents per liter at the pump. Diesel,

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Speaker 3: electric and heavy vehicles already paid charges based on the

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Speaker 3: distant is that they travel. Chris Bishop is the Transport Minister.

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Speaker 3: Haybish good E, So how is this going to work?

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Speaker 3: Are we're all going to have to count our cas

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Speaker 3: and then file some paperwork?

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Speaker 18: No, what you'll have to do is essentially run an

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Speaker 18: electronic system. We already have this for trucks, for example,

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Speaker 18: they use electronic ruck now, so they just the truck

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Speaker 18: has a little transponder which is linked in to a

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Speaker 18: payment system, and the trucks pay electronically depending on how

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Speaker 18: much they use and obviously based on the weight of

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Speaker 18: the trucks.

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Speaker 2: That will be like that for everybody else as well.

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Speaker 18: And my anticipation is that people will have it linked

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Speaker 18: into an app or some sort of electronic system, and

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Speaker 18: you know, you'll pay weekly or potentially a monthly.

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Speaker 2: You just get a bill and you'll pay, and you.

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Speaker 18: Won't have to pay when you pay at the petrol pump,

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Speaker 18: because petrol tax won't exist anymore. Everyone, no matter what

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Speaker 18: the propulsion type, will be paying road user charges. What

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Speaker 18: happens if you don't pay well, in the same way

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Speaker 18: that it happens now, you're breaking the law and you

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Speaker 18: have to will it actually be a lot easier to

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Speaker 18: enforce it them in the new system than what we

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Speaker 18: have at the moment, because the ruck system is paper

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Speaker 18: based at the moment. And you know you've got to

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Speaker 18: you know, you've got to go online, you've got to

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Speaker 18: buy it one thousand kilometer chunks. Heaps of people don't

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Speaker 18: do that, and you know you've got to and you've

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Speaker 18: got to display it, you know, a paper form on

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Speaker 18: the top of your dashboard. So it'll all be electronic,

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Speaker 18: linked into a system, and it'll be against the law

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Speaker 18: to not do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But like if you get your if you get your

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Speaker 3: power bill and you don't pay it, your power goes off.

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Speaker 3: So what happens if you don't pay this bill, car

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Speaker 3: doesn't stop.

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Speaker 18: Well, there'll be there'll be there'll be penalties obviously, which

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Speaker 18: which will well enforce and you know, all of that

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Speaker 18: will be worked out as we pass the legislation and

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Speaker 18: you know, I've got two to three years as we

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Speaker 18: do that. But it will be against the law and

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Speaker 18: there will be a range of penalties, and we'll be

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Speaker 18: talking to the police about how to enforce that in

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Speaker 18: the same way they enforce everything else on the roads

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Speaker 18: as well, including including WAFT for example. Yeah, and the

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Speaker 18: current road user system as well.

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Speaker 3: Will it cost the same as it does now? So

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Speaker 3: for example, whatever I'm paying in petrol tax, will I

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Speaker 3: be charged? Should I be expecting to pay about the

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Speaker 3: same in rucks?

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Speaker 18: Yes, that's the intention the intention is not to The

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Speaker 18: intention is to protect the revenue base of the National

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Speaker 18: Land Transport Fund at the moment. Right, So if we

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Speaker 18: don't make this change, what's happening at the moment with

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Speaker 18: the rise of fuel efficient vehicles. You know, ten years

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Speaker 18: ago there was about twelve thousand of them on the

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Speaker 18: road of hybrids. Now we've got about three hundred and

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Speaker 18: fifty thousand hybrids on the roads. And the revenue base

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Speaker 18: for the National Land Transport Fund, which pays for the

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Speaker 18: new roads and pays for the maintenance of the existing roads,

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Speaker 18: that is gradually diminishing because of the rise of fuel

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Speaker 18: efficient vehicles and electric vehicles and things like that.

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Speaker 2: So if we don't make.

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Speaker 18: This change, we will over time erode the way in

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Speaker 18: which we pay for our roads. And my simple messages,

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Speaker 18: we have to keep investing in our roading network. You know,

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Speaker 18: dis Goverment's put a record amount into pothole prevention and maintenance,

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Speaker 18: for example, and I've got a huge program of roads

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Speaker 18: of national significance we want to build out around the

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Speaker 18: country and we need to continue to pay for our

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Speaker 18: But if we don't make this change, that the ability

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Speaker 18: to do that will be hindered. And you know, we

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Speaker 18: simply have You know, someone is going to have to

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Speaker 18: make this change. We're just recognizing reality and we're getting

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Speaker 18: on with it, and we're doing it in a careful

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Speaker 18: and deliberate way. We're not we're not rushing it. You know,

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Speaker 18: we're not saying tomorrow you're going to start paying electronic

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Speaker 18: road user charges. We're doing it in a careful, weequenced way. Well,

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Speaker 18: we'll pass legislation next year. By twenty twenty seven, there'll

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Speaker 18: be a range of providers that will provide electronic ruck

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Speaker 18: for people, and at some point after that we will

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Speaker 18: do the big switcher Rooney, We'll do the big changeover

782
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Speaker 18: and everyone will be required to use that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now I'm getting a lot of texts from people

784
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Speaker 3: saying things like, I know, people with a five hundred

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Speaker 3: bucks scanner to turn back the odometer. Can people get

786
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Speaker 3: around your system like that?

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Speaker 18: No, they won't be able to. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 18: couple of things. One is that cars that are entering

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Speaker 18: the fleet now actually have built into the car the

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Speaker 18: technology to link into electronic road user charges. So other

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Speaker 18: countries have this now, right, So cars that are entering

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Speaker 18: the fleet already have that modern cars. The second is

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Speaker 18: that you can get little transponders that you know, you

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Speaker 18: can put in your car or on your dashboard that

795
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Speaker 18: link into how much you're traveling, and that can link

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Speaker 18: into the payment.

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Speaker 2: System as well.

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Speaker 18: So there's a range of different scenarios that we'll work

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Speaker 18: through as part of designing the system. But it won't

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Speaker 18: be as simple as just winding your adometer back.

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Speaker 3: That won't be possible, all right, but thanks very much,

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Speaker 3: Chris Boshop, Transport Minister. Eleven past five, Heather Duplice Allen

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Speaker 3: make it twelve past five. The unemployment rate has risen

804
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Speaker 3: to five point two percent now. That is the highest

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Speaker 3: rate since late twenty twenty. Not as bad as expected

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Speaker 3: though we were picking five point three. Michael Gordon is

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Speaker 3: Westpac senior economist and with us, Hey, Michael, do you

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Speaker 3: reckon this is the worst we're going to see or

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Speaker 3: are we going to go further from here?

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Speaker 19: I think we're getting near the end, not necessarily there yet.

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Speaker 19: This has really been, I guess, a continuation of the

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Speaker 19: slowdown in the economy that's been running for a couple

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Speaker 19: of years now, and we don't know that was really

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Speaker 19: not not unsurprising given that we had the Reserve Bank

815
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Speaker 19: raising interest rates to try and bring inflation under control.

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Speaker 19: So we're just seeing this very delayed impact that's still

817
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Speaker 19: coming through in the jobs market. I think we are

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Speaker 19: getting towards the end. We have seen economic activity picking up,

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Speaker 19: but it's just not coming through in terms of businesses

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Speaker 19: need to hire just yet.

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Speaker 3: Are we being saved by the underutilization rate here?

822
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Speaker 15: Not?

823
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Speaker 19: Really? The underutilization rate is a broader measure, and therefore

824
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Speaker 19: you end up with a higher number. Some people do

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Speaker 19: like to pick it out because it is a higher number,

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Speaker 19: but when it comes down to it, it is telling

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Speaker 19: us much the same story as the unemployment rate itself.

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Speaker 19: They're both back to around where they were in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Now, what do you expect we're going to get it

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Speaker 3: as a result of this, with the Reserve Bank still

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Speaker 3: seeing a.

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Speaker 19: Cut, Well, this looks to be pretty much right on

833
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Speaker 19: what they were expecting, so I don't think it's new

834
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Speaker 19: information for them. So I think we're really coming back

835
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Speaker 19: to what their existing thinking was, and I think the

836
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Speaker 19: sense from their last statement was that they were looking

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Speaker 19: at a cut in probably in August. Some of them

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Speaker 19: wanted to last time, wanted to wait and see how

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Speaker 19: the inflation numbers and so on turned out. But I

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Speaker 19: think it's a pretty strong expectation we'll get another cut

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Speaker 19: this time. What they signal beyond that, I think they'd

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Speaker 19: be more interesting. Do they signal that there's a strong

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Speaker 19: chance of another cut or two by the end of

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Speaker 19: the year, or they thought they just leave that there

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Speaker 19: as an option.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, Michael, Thanks very much, Michael Gordon, Westpac

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Speaker 3: senior economists.

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Speaker 2: Together do for Sea Allen Heather.

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Speaker 3: I work in the automotive industry, and it is amazing

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Speaker 3: how many cars turn out out of rucks and not

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Speaker 3: buy a few hundred, often in the tens of thousands.

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Speaker 3: So watch people wrute the system. Thanks Michelle. It's much

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Speaker 3: easier to rut the system, isn't it. If you go

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Speaker 3: to the petrol pump, you just fill it up. There's

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Speaker 3: your tax paid already. This one much easier to rut.

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Speaker 3: So I think that the enforcement is going to be

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Speaker 3: the problem here. I've got a question for you. Okay,

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Speaker 3: how many times do you think police fired their guns

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Speaker 3: last year, the whole of twenty twenty four, all of

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Speaker 3: our police, how many times do you think they fired

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Speaker 3: their guns? Have a guess for me, and then I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you quarter past five. Have you heard about New

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Speaker 3: World Emerge New Wild Emerge as a nationwide competition run

864
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Speaker 3: to happen on August fourteen, so about a week away,

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Speaker 3: and the finalists are not just competing for bragging rights,

868
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: they're actually in line for priceless mentoring from industry leaders

869
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: and food stuffs execs, plus a fast track onto the

870
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Speaker 3: New World shelves. Now that is massive exposure and it's

871
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: support that money just can't buy. For example, Emma Hawk

872
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: from Auckland, she's a finalist with her Clever Trio toothbrush

873
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: from teeny Teeth. This is three sided, it's specially designed

874
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: to help the little ones brush better. In christ Church,

875
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: you've got Kate Serkin from Perogi Joint turning taste buds

876
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: with her gourmet frozen dumplings. Her first supermarket order just

877
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: came in from New Wolf Saint Martin's. And in Wellington,

878
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: Alex Henderson is making waves with his Dirty Donuts apple fritters.

879
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Speaker 3: Now you can check out all of the finalists Whole

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Speaker 3: Bunch More and the emerged program at Foodstuffs dot Co

881
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Speaker 3: dot m Z slash Emerge. This is all about back

882
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: in Kiwi, innovation and giving new businesses the boost that

883
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Speaker 3: they need.

884
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Speaker 2: Together Duper Clan.

885
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Speaker 3: Eighteen past five. Now there is get a load of this,

886
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: almost one and a half billion dollars left in unpaid

887
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 3: GST and pay aye business tax from last year's tax

888
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: here over a billion of that is just the GST.

889
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 3: Tony Morris is the iid's customer segment manager and with us, Hey, Tony,

890
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 3: thanks having me on, Yeah, thank you. It seems incredibly high.

891
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: Is that higher than previous years or about normal?

892
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 17: Definitely going up. The depth bo's going up each year

893
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 17: by about a billion dollars. So and as you say,

894
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 17: a lot of that's TST and employer text, but it's

895
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 17: in line sort of what's technic overseas as well. But

896
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 17: definitely an area we're putting more focus on now thinking

897
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 17: about that.

898
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 3: Is this a sign of how much stress businesses are under?

899
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 17: Definitely we think it's some of that. It's also a

900
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 17: bit of a sign that during COVID we eased off

901
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 17: our decollection activities. A little bit around and didn't didn't

902
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 17: push as hard, so and we didn't probably look to

903
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 17: help businesses or recreate businesses then that we're struggling to survive.

904
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Speaker 17: So what we're seeing is a bit of an increase

905
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Speaker 17: in the amount of companies getting in debt, and some

906
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Speaker 17: of those are the ones that possibly would have failed

907
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 17: earlier during COVID, So we're definitely seeing an increase. And

908
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 17: what we need to do and what we're looking at

909
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 17: is how do we get to the pa y and

910
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 17: the jest earlier as soon as they're going to debt,

911
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 17: because once people get into debt, it could be hard

912
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Speaker 17: to get out of. So we're certainly focusing on that.

913
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: I can understand why construction is the worst, but I'm

914
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: kind of surprised that the next stuff is real estate services,

915
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: rental and hiring. What explains that.

916
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 17: Yeah, I'm not not sure. That's a step that we've

917
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 17: sort of seen. I know that that come from our

918
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 17: area and been put like that what we sort of

919
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 17: seeing in some of the stuff we're doing moment. Certainly

920
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 17: small businesses are struggling the most with the debt and

921
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Speaker 17: also the amount that we ride off, so right across

922
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Speaker 17: that small business area, which could be in the real

923
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Speaker 17: estate services or other areas like that, but certainly the

924
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Speaker 17: construction area is an area sort of in the bigger

925
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Speaker 17: at the bigger end of town that we do that.

926
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Speaker 17: And what we're seeing in some of the areas is

927
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Speaker 17: that instead of people paying entities, paying their pawoy or TST,

928
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 17: they're actually using us as a bit of a bank

929
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Speaker 17: because it's probably easier to get the money. I was

930
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Speaker 17: at a conference today where that came up quite clearly

931
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Speaker 17: from the outside world. It's easy to get money off

932
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Speaker 17: PEPs and borrow. So that's something we need to look

933
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Speaker 17: at and change, sure other policies or just being a

934
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Speaker 17: bit more firmer to our proache.

935
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that's not really what you want, Tony, Thanks

936
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Speaker 3: very much, Tony Morris, I AD Customer Segment Manager, Heather.

937
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Speaker 3: I reckon the cops fire the gun once here the

938
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Speaker 3: I reckon seven times, four times, not enough times. Ants

939
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Speaker 3: reckons seventy nine times. I'm gonna come back to that.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk shortly about the Annual Grocery Report.

941
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Speaker 3: This has just been released today. According to the Annual

942
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: Grocery you're going to get a lot more of this

943
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Speaker 3: every year now because we've got the grocery commissioner and stuff. Anyway,

944
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Speaker 3: Apparently we are the fifth highest spenders in the developed

945
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Speaker 3: world on groceries. So for context, Australia is number eleven,

946
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Speaker 3: UK is number sixteen. This is how it goes, in order,

947
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Speaker 3: from one to five. Number one, Iceland number two, Luxembourg

948
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Speaker 3: number three, Israel number four, Italy number five. New Zealand

949
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Speaker 3: grocery commissioners with us just after half past five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen

951
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth talks.

952
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: They'd be heither. The cops fired their guns one hundred

953
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: and three times five twenty four. It was actually only

954
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 3: three times. That is how many times the police fired

955
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: their weapons all of last year. That is way lower

956
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: than I expected. Three times. It's even more remarkable if

957
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: I tell you that they had guns pointed at them

958
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: nineteen times last year. They had guns fired at them

959
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: eight times, and they didn't fire back every single time.

960
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: They drew their guns six hundred and twenty eight times,

961
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: So six hundred and twenty eight times cops got their

962
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: guns out, they put them back six hundred and twenty

963
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 3: five times, never fired. It only fired three times last

964
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: year was not an anomaly. Even in the worst years

965
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 3: like twenty seventeen, they only fired eight times. The same

966
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: is true of tases. They pulled their tases out last

967
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: year two thousand and sixty eight times. They only discharged

968
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: them about four hundred and twenty times. Four of it

969
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: was actually four hundred and seventeen. Four of them were accidental,

970
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: So we just we'll call it a four thirteen. We'll

971
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 3: say they fired them four thirteen times when they meant to,

972
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: which means that they only fired their tasers once every

973
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: five times that they got them out. Now, you know,

974
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: for all of the grief that we give the cops,

975
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: for all the times that they get told off for

976
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 3: what happens when they're arresting difficult buggers like the they

977
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: the only ones that could possibly be the bad guys

978
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: in those and se stances. For all the year, the

979
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: hours and the column inches that we spent angsting over

980
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: what would happen if our cops were regularly armed, they

981
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: actually prove every single year, just like last year, that

982
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: they are very very careful, that they are considered and

983
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: that they I would argue, can actually be trusted with

984
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 3: firearms should we ever give them to them on the regular?

985
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: Three times would tell you.

986
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: That ever do to see Allen?

987
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: Now you know, yes, th I was having a good

988
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: old winge about the brazier with the stickers in this

989
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: new world. And you know, so anyway they had they

990
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: had to think about it overnight and they thought, okay, okay,

991
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: they'll come on the show. It's been a bit of

992
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: a kerfuffle, but it's because it's a couple of grocery

993
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: things happening at the same time. And so initially they

994
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: were going to give us the bird who does the marketing,

995
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: to come on and talk about that. And we said, look,

996
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: we're going to probably have to talk to you about

997
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: the situation with how expensive groceries are, because you know,

998
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: Pierre the grocery commission to put out his important stuff.

999
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: So is she okay? No, they said no, she can't

1000
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: dare So she's been stood down and the big boss,

1001
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: Chris Quinn is going to be on the show after

1002
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: seven o'clock. I mean, I feel six sorry because our chaufin.

1003
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: After seven o'clock, I'm going home. No, don't don't bother

1004
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: don't bother listening for Chris Quinn. Then I feel sorry

1005
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: for Chris Quinn because he is the CEO, and I

1006
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: feel like there are better things for him to be

1007
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: doing than talking about stickers with with Heather from Auckland.

1008
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: Frustrated of Auckland. He doesn't need this in his life,

1009
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: but such as you know life and this is what

1010
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: has happened. So anyway, he's going to hear us after

1011
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 3: seven to chat about that. What have I got you

1012
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 3: bear with Gracie Abrams, I love you, I'm sorry. Another

1013
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: one of the finalists for the MTV VMAs this year,

1014
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: the grocery Commissioner Next Hello Show.

1015
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather first,

1016
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: it's Heather due to see Ellen drive with one new zealift.

1017
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: Let's get connected news dogs.

1018
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 10: They'd be in the back garden.

1019
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 6: Pop you puss up, We give our streatful baby. What

1020
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 6: was that saying.

1021
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 5: This is the best single bet of my life?

1022
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 3: What was that again? One of the finalists for the

1023
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: MTV VMAs. Hey, you know yesterday we were talking on

1024
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: the show about with the fact that we don't talk

1025
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 3: enough about what goes on with kids being bashed by

1026
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: their parents and adults and stuff like that. I actually

1027
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: have a little update on that for you, and I'll

1028
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 3: get to it before six o'clock. And then a reminder

1029
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: after six o'clock. Food stuffs, if you've been collecting the

1030
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: smeake stickers and you want the brasier, we'll see what

1031
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 3: we can do to get you the braser after six.

1032
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: The huddle standing by, it's twenty four away from six.

1033
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 15: Now.

1034
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: We've got the annual Grocery Report out today. It shows

1035
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: that we pay the fifth most in the world, in

1036
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: the developed world, at least for groceries, and it shows

1037
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 3: that food stuffs had a higher profit percentage than international

1038
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: supermarkets like Walmart, Tesco and Sainsbury's Pa van Head And

1039
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: is the Grocery Commissioner, hey Piero, how is it that

1040
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: they are making more, at least in terms of profit

1041
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: percentage than the likes of Walmart.

1042
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 11: Well, what the report shows is that the gross margins

1043
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 11: have actually stabilized after years of increasing, so that at

1044
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 11: least is a good sign that there is some progress.

1045
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 11: But competition is needed in order to bring those margins

1046
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 11: down further.

1047
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: And you know that's.

1048
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 11: Why we so focused on using all the tools we

1049
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 11: have available to ensure that we do get competition going

1050
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 11: in the market for the long term.

1051
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: Okay, when you calculate that we pay the fifth highest

1052
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: for groceries in the developed world, is it like full like?

1053
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: Are we including, for example, somebody's pointed out on the

1054
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: texts that alcohol is not included in Australia because they

1055
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: cannot sell alcohol in the supermarkets. Are we counting it

1056
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 3: as part of our purchase here?

1057
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 11: The OECD have got a basket that they compare and

1058
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 11: those are the figures that we use. So I believe

1059
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 11: it is apples for apples.

1060
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: So it's not about it. It is looking at you,

1061
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: if you're buying your milk and your cheese and your

1062
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 3: broccoli and your toast whatever, how much A costs here

1063
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: versus how much A costs elsewhere.

1064
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 11: That's my understanding of those HEDE report.

1065
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: Yes, now, peer, what are we going to do about this?

1066
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: Well?

1067
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 11: Either, when I look at the report, you know there's

1068
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 11: there's signs of progress, but there's still a long way

1069
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 11: to go. I know consumers are struggling out out there.

1070
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 11: But we've got to remember that this regime was put

1071
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 11: in place to ensure that we get long term competition

1072
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 11: that's sustainable and also efficiency in the industry. I don't

1073
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 11: have the tools to get short term results. It is

1074
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 11: a long game, as I've said all along, and there's

1075
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 11: no one silver bullet. You know, you've mentioned before the

1076
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 11: different tools that we use as Grocery Commissioner. I'm involved

1077
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 11: in every one.

1078
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 10: Of those areas.

1079
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 11: So whether it's the Commerce Act, Fair Trading Act, or

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Speaker 11: the Grocery Industry Competition Act that we use to enforce

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Speaker 11: things with, I'm involved across all of those to ensure

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Speaker 11: consistency and that we have the focus on the whole industry.

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Speaker 11: It's a twenty eight billion dollar industry which hasn't changed

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Speaker 11: for a long time, but I'm seeing signs that there's

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Speaker 11: some behavioral change happening.

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Speaker 3: Is that going to be enough or do we are?

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Speaker 3: We actually relying quite heavily on whatever it is that

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Speaker 3: Nikola Willis announces in the next few weeks.

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Speaker 11: Well, whatever the government is doing is in addition to

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Speaker 11: what we're doing. Our report will help inform the government

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Speaker 11: on what the current state is. So it looks at

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Speaker 11: last year, it looks at this year, and it informs

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Speaker 11: them of all of that, and then they.

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Speaker 3: Coming aside where do they take more away ahead of

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Speaker 3: this big announcement that we're now all waiting for. Has

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Speaker 3: she come to you guys and ask for some help

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Speaker 3: with ideas?

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Speaker 11: We meet with the Minister regularly as well as with

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Speaker 11: MB and provide them within sites and information from the industry,

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Speaker 11: But the policy basically sits with the government.

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Speaker 3: What is the idea that you've told her would be

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Speaker 3: the best idea?

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Speaker 11: Well, we wouldn't go into detail with that because we

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Speaker 11: basically meet confidentially with a minister.

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Speaker 5: What is happening in the.

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Speaker 3: Industry have you given Have you given her ideas?

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Speaker 11: We've spoken about where the industry is at at the

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Speaker 11: moment and what is required in order to get structural

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Speaker 11: change within the industry.

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Speaker 3: How hard do you reckon she's going to go? I mean,

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Speaker 3: are we talking about significant stuff that's going to make

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Speaker 3: a real difference or are we just talking about tinkering here.

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Speaker 11: Well, that that's something that you'll need to ask the

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Speaker 11: Minister and the government about. You know, we very focused

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Speaker 11: on making sure we're doing everything in our power to

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Speaker 11: use every single tool we have to get change.

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Speaker 3: If she just did tinkering, would that be sufficient?

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Speaker 11: Well, again, you know that's a decision that the government

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Speaker 11: of the day makes. I'm here to make sure that

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Speaker 11: whatever tools I've got to use them to the best effect.

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Speaker 11: And as I said in this report, we can see

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Speaker 11: some progress being made and that will help us inform

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Speaker 11: us where to focus on.

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Speaker 3: As a result, I'm trying to get a handle of

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Speaker 3: kind of what it is, how big the problem is,

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Speaker 3: and how big we have to go to fix it. Like,

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Speaker 3: are we talking about a problem that is so big

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Speaker 3: that we need I don't know, some forced divestment here

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Speaker 3: or some structural breakup. Is that what we're dealing with?

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Speaker 11: Well, I think you're aware that the problem is big.

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Speaker 11: The Heather Kiwis are struggling. We don't have enough competition

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Speaker 11: in the market. We are one of the countries in

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Speaker 11: the world with the least amount of competition in the

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Speaker 11: superharer market industry, and that is why some of these

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Speaker 11: unique tools have been brought in to try and ensure

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Speaker 11: that we focus on how do we get that change going?

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Speaker 11: And then it's up to the policy makers.

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Speaker 3: So big, big problem equals must have big a big solution,

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Speaker 3: basically a big fix to fix it. Now, do you

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Speaker 3: have any idea what she's going to announce.

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Speaker 11: No, we haven't been taken into confidence on the government's announcements,

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Speaker 11: and you know that is something that they will determine

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Speaker 11: when they announced that.

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Speaker 3: Interesting Hey, Peer, thanks very much, Peer. Vnhead and Grocery Commissioner.

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Speaker 3: Right now, eighteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes Uniquely.

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Speaker 3: For you com the Huddle with us this evening. Connor

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Speaker 3: English of Silver Eye Communications. Jack Tame, host of Q

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Speaker 3: and A and Saturday Mornings on ZB. Hi you two,

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you, Jack. Are you like me? I

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Speaker 3: am sick of talking about this. I just want to

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Speaker 3: know what she's announcing.

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Speaker 15: Talking about. I mean, you know, he's doing an earnest

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Speaker 15: job there, so I think he I think he got

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Speaker 15: to summed everything up with the second or third season A,

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Speaker 15: which was he doesn't have the tools to address the

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Speaker 15: major issues in the short term. I mean it comes

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Speaker 15: down to the government, right I think I think the

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Speaker 15: report today kind of shows the government what most of

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Speaker 15: us already knew. There might have been a few marginal improvements,

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Speaker 15: but there's still a distinct lack of competition in the space.

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Speaker 15: It'll be fascinating to see what Nichola Wis does decide

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Speaker 15: to do, because I'm sure she's got all sorts of

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Speaker 15: pretty connected you know, companies and people speaking in her ear.

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Speaker 15: But you know, you can imagine, given the price of

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Speaker 15: groceries at the moment, it's you know, it would potentially

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Speaker 15: be a pretty a pretty popular political move if she

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Speaker 15: were to take a big step in trying to address

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Speaker 15: like a problem like what well, like some sort of

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Speaker 15: structural separation.

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Speaker 3: You reckon, that would be popular.

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Speaker 15: Well if it could be proven that it would lead

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Speaker 15: to greater competition. And this I mean that the proof

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Speaker 15: of the pudding is always in the eating right, so

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Speaker 15: that might be there might be a potentially difficult cell.

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Speaker 15: But I think anything that was that were shown to

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Speaker 15: make more of an impact than just annualized reporting on

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Speaker 15: the on the margins relative to other OECD countries, I

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Speaker 15: think would probably be welcome. There's some cooundered in that

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Speaker 15: thing today. Absolutely astonishment so that five billion dollars is

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Speaker 15: being paid in rebates and discounts and promotional payments by

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Speaker 15: suppliers to system markets I mean is it is a

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Speaker 15: fantastic figure and you can see how that sort of

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Speaker 15: thing locks out smaller players. But yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 15: it's these things are always delicate.

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Speaker 3: Let's give no, let's get connor, connor. If Jack is

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Speaker 3: right that it's going to be something popular, something big

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Speaker 3: like that is popular, that is devastating for investor confidence

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Speaker 3: in this country, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: Well maybe, but what what the government's got to do

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Speaker 4: is deal with us cost of living in crisis that

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Speaker 4: we're all dealing with. And and you know groceries as

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Speaker 4: a crucial area that even New Zealand is by every day.

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Speaker 4: It's the same in the energy sector. You know, energy

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Speaker 4: prices are through the roof. Grocery prices feel like they're

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Speaker 4: through the roof. The report might be saying they're flattening

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Speaker 4: off or whatever, the margins are flattening off, but we

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Speaker 4: are still a very expensive country to buy some tuckt

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Speaker 4: to have some dinner.

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Speaker 3: We So do you think if she was to announce

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Speaker 3: something as big as that, you would you give her

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Speaker 3: a round of applause for it?

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Speaker 4: Well, we've run with the current model for the last

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Speaker 4: fifty years and everyone seems to be complaining about the

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Speaker 4: price of groceries. So what do you do that's different?

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Speaker 4: And that is significant. So you know, governments do restructure

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Speaker 4: industries from time to time. We saw it in the

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Speaker 4: dairy sector with the formation of Fonterra. We've seen it

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Speaker 4: in other sectors, doing it in the health sector, they're

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00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: doing it in the education sector. Why wouldn't you look

1211
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 4: at the grocery sector and say the energy sector when

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Speaker 4: they are things that are making a real difference in

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Speaker 4: people's lives.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe because you'd freak everybody out and they wouldn't

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Speaker 3: put any money into the country. Let's take a break.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back on the huddle with Jack tam and

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Speaker 3: Connor English. Jack, what do you think about it, this

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Speaker 3: idea of ditching the petrol tax and moving to rucks.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, no problem with it personally, It's not going to

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Speaker 15: make much of a difference in our household. It was

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Speaker 15: probably just a case of when rather than if, Although

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Speaker 15: I think one thing to give a close eye on

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Speaker 15: is whether or not this ends up being revenue neutral

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Speaker 15: in the long term. For anyone who's followed some of

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Speaker 15: the challenges in the infrastructure space, Basically, the way we

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Speaker 15: fund most roads is through the Land Transport Fund, which

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Speaker 15: comes from your excise tax, but that hasn't been enough

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Speaker 15: for some of the projects in recent years, so the

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Speaker 15: government's been topping it up with capital allocations and increasingly

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Speaker 15: with some of the big roading projects that this government

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Speaker 15: is prioritizing. It's very hard to see how even with

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Speaker 15: tolls and the Land Transport Fund, they're going to get

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Speaker 15: anywhere near the money they need to fund some of

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Speaker 15: those projects. So I think the question over time is

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Speaker 15: whether or not we all end up paying much more

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Speaker 15: with rucks than we were with excise taxes in order

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Speaker 15: to fund some of the stuff.

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Speaker 3: I reckon Connor enforcement is going to be the big

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Speaker 3: problem here because already people buck around with the rucks

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Speaker 3: and they don't pay them, and like it's apparently it's

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01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: tens of thousands of people who just don't bother to

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Speaker 3: do it. So if this is across the whole roading community,

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Speaker 3: the whole motoring community, it will be massive, won't it.

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Speaker 15: Look.

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Speaker 4: I know that there's a lot of technology solutions you

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Speaker 4: can bring to beer now'll that'll simplify the administration of

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Speaker 4: it as well as the enforcement of it. So I

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Speaker 4: think that you know, technology will solve all that problem,

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Speaker 4: I would imagine probably.

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Speaker 3: So do you think, Connor that we go for the

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Speaker 3: bike the cyclists as well? Check a little ruck on them?

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess, and theory they wear out the roads

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Speaker 4: as well, don't they. But you know, maybe they should

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Speaker 4: get a rebate because you might be a bit healthier

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Speaker 4: because they do a bit more exercise with them.

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Speaker 3: I reckon, Jack, you go the electric scooters and the bikes.

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Speaker 15: You know what I reckon? I reckon, I reckon. We want,

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Speaker 15: and Seene devise as many people to cycle as possible,

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Speaker 15: because every person who cycles instead of driving makes the

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Speaker 15: congestion that much better for you getting to work. Who's

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Speaker 15: you hither, Duplicyl?

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Speaker 3: You think I don't ride a bike?

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Speaker 15: No, I think you ride sometimes, Queen, I'm using the queen.

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Speaker 15: The Queen.

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Speaker 4: I think you make a good point hither though, that

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Speaker 4: there is a lot of cycle lanes in New Zealand,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not sure that the cyclists are paying for

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Speaker 4: those being paid so much, you know, just because.

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Speaker 3: Jack wants a freebie. Jackson like which pays except for me.

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Speaker 15: The thing is, though, guys, we want to get people

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Speaker 15: out of cars and onto bikes because it reduces the

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Speaker 15: congestions if.

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Speaker 9: You want to less.

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Speaker 3: But they still got to pay. I mean, everybody's got

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Speaker 3: to pay for what they're doing. Right, Why don't you

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Speaker 3: just make broccoli freezing? Jack?

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Speaker 15: What do I make exactly?

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Speaker 3: Don't worry about.

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Speaker 4: Don't you want more people in the same car instead

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Speaker 4: of three cars driving along the road or four cars?

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Speaker 4: Just have you know, four people in one car?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't we do that? Why don't we have

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Speaker 3: a discount for people with multiple people in the car?

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Speaker 10: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Are you surprised, Connor that the cops only fired their

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Speaker 3: guns three times last year?

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Speaker 4: I am, because that's not many times, is it? And

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Speaker 4: given the amount of crime that we see reported in

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Speaker 4: the newspaper every day, you would think that they're the

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Speaker 4: three every half hour. So I'm very surprised by this.

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Speaker 15: Jack.

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Speaker 2: I'm pleased about it.

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Speaker 4: I'm really pleased about it.

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Speaker 3: So, Jack, what do you reckon is this? Is this

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Speaker 3: actually an argue? Does this actually lead us closer to saying, well,

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Speaker 3: maybe they can be trusted with a gun on their hip.

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Speaker 15: I mean, I don't think it suggests that. I think

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Speaker 15: it suggests that police perhaps don't need to be regular

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Speaker 15: or routinely armed at the moment, but I wasn't just

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Speaker 15: by the three last year, I was surprised to learn

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Speaker 15: that they only averaged about five and a half times

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Speaker 15: after over the last several years. So actually, police firing

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Speaker 15: the guns is generally very rare in New Zealand. That

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Speaker 15: being said, they're still being shot at many more times

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Speaker 15: than they are discharging their own fire. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 15: I think it probably shows that some of the de

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Speaker 15: escalation stuff is working pretty effectively, and you know that,

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Speaker 15: you know, cases and that sort of thing. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 15: I think it's great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm stoked, but I'm really impressed. Actually, guys, it's

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Speaker 3: wonderful to talk to you. Thank you. Connor English Jack

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Speaker 3: Tame our huddle. Eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless All and Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Ard Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Heather, So, I pay tax on my pay then what's left.

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Speaker 3: I used to pay GST on my petrol. I pay

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Speaker 3: for a regio with more GST attached, and then I

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Speaker 3: pay tolls on the pen link and then I pay

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Speaker 3: rucks on the k's Are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So Mark Why are you surprised by this because

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Speaker 3: you're if you're not paying rucks, you're paying petrol tax.

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Speaker 3: Or This is where I think that the idea is

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Speaker 3: brilliant because I reckon it brings some transparency so people

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 3: can see what's got I think a lot of people

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01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 3: just go to the petrol station, just put the bowser

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Speaker 3: and go cluck, black, black, blackl I pay, Oh, I

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Speaker 3: hate b pay. Look at how much I just paid,

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01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: not realizing how much of that is actually going to

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Speaker 3: the government. But when you split it out and BP

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 3: just charges you the BP charge and then the government

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01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 3: comes at you with this is what it costs to

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Speaker 3: drive on the roads. All of a sudden, I reckon,

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Speaker 3: you going to care a lot more, maybe drive a

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01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 3: bit less. Maybe want to see those cyclists pay for

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Speaker 3: those cycle lanes, because remember some of the cycle lanes.

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01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 3: You know, like Jason, that people need to wrap the bags,

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 3: But some of those cycle lanes have actually taken away

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Speaker 3: a lane for you, right, so you're paying, you're paying

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Speaker 3: for it. You're like you've lost the lane and now

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Speaker 3: you're paying for that guy to ride over there on

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Speaker 3: his nice little fancy cycle lane. That guy being me

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Speaker 3: because as I said, I am actually cycling around from

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Speaker 3: time to time. Now, shame on me. Five away from

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Speaker 3: six now the cops have arrested a man over that

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Speaker 3: three month old baby girl who was taken to hospital

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Speaker 3: in Wellington with multiple broken bones. This girl was taken

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Speaker 3: to hospital around about the fourteenth of June, so it's

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Speaker 3: nearly two months ago. He was arrested for that last week.

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Speaker 3: Last week he was arrested. We only found out about

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01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 3: it today. Now this kind of proves my point, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: But this is the point I was trying to make

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Speaker 3: yesterday is we do not talk about this stuff enough.

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Speaker 3: Like the minute it happens, it just disappears away. Thank god,

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Speaker 3: somebody in the police decided today, oh we didn't tell anyone,

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Speaker 3: arrested somebody for bashing that little girl, and put it

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Speaker 3: put out, put out a press release, and put out

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Speaker 3: a press release. So now I can talk to you

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Speaker 3: about it now. I don't know why they did it today.

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Speaker 3: There is a part of me that wonders if they

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Speaker 3: heard what we were saying on the show yesterday and

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Speaker 3: they thought, actually, no, that's a fair point, let's talk

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Speaker 3: about it a bit more. And if that is the case,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for coming to the party, because I do

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Speaker 3: think we need to talk about it. So here we go.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about it. He's twenty three. Police

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Speaker 3: investigated because the injuries were unusual in a three month

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Speaker 3: old child, including a broken ome broken arm. Three months

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Speaker 3: old generally do not have broken arms. He has been

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Speaker 3: charged with four counts of assaulting a child relating to

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Speaker 3: the minor injuries, which sounds like once they start dealing

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Speaker 3: with the major injuries, he's going to be facing a

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Speaker 3: few more charges. And I'm thrilled that that is happening,

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Speaker 3: because you want to bash a baby. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: think about us smaller three month What's the hell is

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01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,959
Speaker 3: wrong with this guy? Allegedly this guy three month old?

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Speaker 3: What is wrong anyway?

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Speaker 10: Writer?

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Speaker 3: Answer? What is it?

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Speaker 20: If the.

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Speaker 10: What about?

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: Bruno Mars and Lady Pagar die with a smile? Another

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01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 3: finalist for the MTV VMAs this year. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: am I being unfairans, but I feel a little bit

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Speaker 3: about this year's increase.

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Speaker 9: I like the Lord's song. Other than that, yeah, not

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Speaker 9: a lot on here that I'm super excited about.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't I don't feel like any of them,

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Speaker 3: you know how you've got your kind of like your

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Speaker 3: playlist of the world's best bangers that you take.

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Speaker 9: On your the Australia best songs of all time that

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Speaker 9: were better than that.

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Speaker 3: It was much Yeah, the Australia has single handedly beaten

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Speaker 3: the world this year. Anyway, we'll bring you some more

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Speaker 3: of the mccris quinn of food Stuff's next on whether

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Speaker 3: he's going to get us some of those brases for

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Speaker 3: your stickers. A News talks bo.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight the Business Hour. We're the Heather Duplessy,

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Speaker 1: Allen and Mas for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions, Newstalk said.

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Speaker 3: Evening. Coming up in the next hour, Milfit Asset Management

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01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 3: on the latest trend of country leaders pressuring central banks.

1404
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 3: Genatibstraineye on whether the promises of bipartisanship from today's infrastructure

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01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: summit will actually last. And Gavin Gray will do the

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Speaker 3: UK for us at seven past six. Now, once again

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Speaker 3: New World has run out of the big prize in

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Speaker 3: their supermarket promotion. This time it's the Smeake Brasier. Previously

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Speaker 3: it's been the Knife Block, or it's been the Master

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Speaker 3: Chef Crockery or whatever. Chris Quinn is the CEO of

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Speaker 3: food Stuff's North Island and with us.

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Speaker 6: Hello Chris, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Now if people have got enough stickers, the forty five

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Speaker 3: stickers and the sixty dollars for the brazier, will you

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Speaker 3: honor it?

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Speaker 21: So, Look, we've been blown away by how popular this

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Speaker 21: has been, Heather, and just the demand. And as we've

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Speaker 21: probably talked about before, we try and guess a year ahead,

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Speaker 21: what ones, what items are going to be the most popular.

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Speaker 21: And you know, we like to think that everyone will

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Speaker 21: get the item they wanted, but guessing what mix of

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01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 21: the five or six items that we have in this

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01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 21: promotion would be desired and where they would sit is

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01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 21: you know, we get international advice, we get local advice.

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01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 21: We give it a best shot. Probably one thing that

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Speaker 21: hasn't been talked about. We ordered seventy thousand of these braziers,

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Speaker 21: and we've been blown away by how many people decided

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Speaker 21: that was the thing they wanted.

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Speaker 3: Is there no opportunity for you to say to get

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Speaker 3: the people in who want them and go, Okay, there's

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Speaker 3: another five hundred people, and go and get those ordersm

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Speaker 3: for these people.

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Speaker 6: We ordered them a year ago.

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Speaker 21: Because you've got a slot into a production schedule with

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Speaker 21: the manufacturer internationally. We got the number that we thought

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Speaker 21: would you know, never be desired, and has turned out

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Speaker 21: to be the number. We have for the last little

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01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 21: while been scraping the barrel wherever we can, and we

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01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 21: know we've got another couple of thousand on the way.

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Speaker 21: I don't know how many people out there, you know,

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Speaker 21: this is still their heart's desire and the one they

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 21: want the most. We have got five other items in

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01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 21: the promotion, and we've still got stock of those five

1444
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 21: other items. This one we've scraped the bottom of the

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01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 21: barrel and got as many as we possibly can. We

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 21: just can't get any more manufactured.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So who's doing the estimating for you? Because the

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01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 3: person doing the estimating sucks at it because they do

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 3: this every time.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's not the same person.

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Speaker 21: And we use a global sourcing company who tell us

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01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 21: about the trends from every other country that these promotions

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01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 21: have been run, give us an indication of the mix.

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01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 21: We test that against our best knowledge locally, but it's

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Speaker 21: a very hard thing to predict us to have.

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Speaker 3: You Look, I take your point, and I totally accept

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01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 3: that you can't possibly know what people actually want. But

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01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 3: have you got some sort of a system where in

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Speaker 3: real time you can see you're down to five and

1460
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 3: you need to warn people Listen, we're down to five.

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Speaker 3: Get in quickly.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 21: Absolutely, And that's why on every store's entrance there is

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Speaker 21: a board saying where stock is up to and what's

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Speaker 21: running low, and what's not available.

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Speaker 6: And explain this pages.

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Speaker 3: Explain this to me.

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Speaker 6: Do so.

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Speaker 3: The person that I know that's the most frustrated about

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Speaker 3: this is Emma comm frustrated of Centtalias. And what happened

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Speaker 3: is that she has she had the forty five stickers,

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Speaker 3: and she had the sixty dollars. She shops at the

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Speaker 3: Mission Bay New World. At the Mission Bay New World

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Speaker 3: for two weeks, they had to sign up saying we're

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Speaker 3: out of stock, but we are getting restocked. For two

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Speaker 3: weeks they told her they were getting restocked. So Emma thought,

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Speaker 3: it's totally fine. I'm not going to go to another

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to go to another New World anywhere

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Speaker 3: in the city because my New World will have it

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01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 3: in two weeks time or at some point. Now they're

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Speaker 3: not getting it all.

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Speaker 21: What happened there, well, there is a very small number

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Speaker 21: more on the way so there is more stock coming

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Speaker 21: and it will be distributed. It's not I don't believe

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Speaker 21: it's going to be able to meet all of the

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Speaker 21: demand we've heard about. We have grabbed every single one

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Speaker 21: we can in the time frame that we can. You know,

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Speaker 21: this program runs through to the end of August and

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Speaker 21: then people can redeem until the middle of September, and

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Speaker 21: we've got as many more as we can.

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Speaker 6: So it's been unclear.

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Speaker 21: We've been fighting to get this some more stock once

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Speaker 21: we saw the level of demand, and that'll be why

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Speaker 21: the store was signaling that is.

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Speaker 3: It possible for you guys, because listen, it's twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: it's the information age. We've got apps and you've got

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Speaker 3: collapse and stuff like that. Can you not put a

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Speaker 3: real time ticker out there for people with literally how

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Speaker 3: much of how many of these things you have in

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Speaker 3: the country left ticking down as people take them away,

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01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 3: so people can know whether they're going to get their

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Speaker 3: thing or not.

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Speaker 21: Look, we haven't got that ability today. It's an idea

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01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 21: that we should debate and see whether we can. But

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Speaker 21: part of the issue is the item isn't a bar

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01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 21: coded stock item, so it doesn't run throughund normal systems.

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Speaker 21: It's said, some physical stock in the store.

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Speaker 3: Now, well put a bar code on it. And you

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: guys do barcodes, don't you. But you've got to solve this, Chris,

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Speaker 3: you can't do this every year. It's make I'll tell

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 3: you what it did to me. I looked at it

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 3: this year and I thought, no, I'm not going to

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01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 3: bother because I know they're going to run out of

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: that thing. You don't want that to be how people behave.

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Speaker 21: Look, although you know, the evidence clearly is people have

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01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 21: really got into this way more than we thought, and

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01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 21: this was the item that needed the most because they

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01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 21: actually needed cash as well, and we thought that will

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Speaker 21: have some demand, but not the demand of all the

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Speaker 21: other items. Turns out, what people are is that it's

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 21: a great item. It's got quality, it's a brand that

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Speaker 21: people are proud to have in their houses and seventy thousand.

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Speaker 21: You know, I think at the beginning we all said, men,

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Speaker 21: we're going to know what are we going to do.

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Speaker 6: With the leftover stock?

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Speaker 21: Because every planning indication we had we were well covered.

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Speaker 3: You're not doing this deliberately, are you?

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01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: For attention?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 21: No, not at all. This is not the attention we'd

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01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 21: love to be getting. We'd love to be getting attention

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01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 21: from people saying I love my brazier and here's another casserole.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, brought to more next time. Hey, the

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01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 3: grocery reports come out, it's made the point that you

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01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 3: guys food stuffs have had a higher profit percentage than

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01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 3: the likes of Walbart and Tescos and says, how on

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01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 3: earth how are you doing that?

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Speaker 21: Look, you know, comparison of these things is you know,

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 21: it was a fine art. What we do know last

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01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 21: five years, on average, our net profit after tax, which

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01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,480
Speaker 21: is a different number to the number that the commission

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01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 21: have used, has been three point six cents in the dollar.

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 21: Everything that we have said puts us middle to upper

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01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 21: in the pack of retailers.

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Speaker 6: We're proud of that.

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01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 21: We think that, you know, business is being successful by

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01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 21: earning customers and getting great loyalty and delivering.

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 6: Value is what we should be doing.

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01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 21: And it enables us to invest in communities all over

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 21: the North Island that wouldn't be possible otherwise if we

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 21: didn't have the resources. So, you know, these comparisons are

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01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 21: quite difficult to get equal into the bottom of, particularly

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01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 21: for companies that are listed in some that aren't.

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01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 6: But what we do know is when we compare.

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01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 21: Our prices to LD in Australia or to Tesco in

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01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 21: the UK and Pekin Save, New Zealanders are getting a

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01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 21: great value option through a store like that.

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01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 3: Okay, do you have any idea what Nikola Wallis is

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01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,560
Speaker 3: planning for you in her announcement?

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Speaker 21: Look, no, we don't, and you know it wouldn't be

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 21: you know, the Minister would never you know that they wouldn't.

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Speaker 6: Consult with us.

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Speaker 21: As such, we are positively engaged with government where we've

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,799
Speaker 21: shared our ideas about what would make food prices cheaper

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01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 21: in New Zealand and what would help us lower cost

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 21: so that we.

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Speaker 6: Can do that for our customers.

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Speaker 21: They're listening to that and engaging and asking questions and

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,440
Speaker 21: you know we're contributing to the conversation, as are manufacturers

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01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 21: and suppliers and many other bodies.

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01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 6: But we don't know of the planning.

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 3: So I had a couple of guys on the huddle

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01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 3: earlier who I had thought up to that point were

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 3: quite rational and right thinking, and both of them thought

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01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 3: that forced structural separation would be a good thing. Now

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01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 3: if they think that how worried to you that she

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01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 3: actually comes out with something like that.

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01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 21: Well, I can't you know, we can't limit what the

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 21: Minister thinks and all the ideas are there, but we

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01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 21: are absolutely clear it's not been done in any other

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01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 21: market in the world in this category and hasn't been

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01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 21: done before in New Zealand in terms of private organizations

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01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 21: being structurally separated. It will only add cost in this

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01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 21: scaler market. And I think one of the things the

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01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 21: Commission confirmed today is in New Zealand's few cities that

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01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 21: have scale Auckland, christ Church places like that, there is

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 21: a good level of competition. So in Auckland thirty percent

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01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 21: of the offer is not in the.

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01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 6: Two large players.

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01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,919
Speaker 21: You know that customers using, and so competition is emerging

1591
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 21: and going after the business where they see an opportunity

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 21: to do that sustainably. This is it's so different to

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01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 21: industries where there's been a monopoly esset. There just isn't

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01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 21: one in this industry. So structural separation like you might

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01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 21: do in a telco or a fuel environment just doesn't

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01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 21: make sense in the structure.

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01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, well listen, good luck with it, Chris, and thank

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01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 3: you very much for coming to talk to us. I

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01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 3: appreciate your time. That's Chris Quinn, CEO of food Stuff's

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Speaker 3: North Island Quarter Past.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by Newstalk Zippi.

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Speaker 3: Now I need to run you through what's going on

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01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 3: with Winston. I can. If you are scrolling Facebook tonight

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 3: and you come across a video of Winston Peter's promising

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01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 3: to tell you how you can make heaps of money,

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 3: don't believe it. Not that you will because this is

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01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 3: what it sounds like.

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01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 22: This isn't another scam video. I respect your time and

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 22: want to earn your trust. I'm not making empty promises

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01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 22: like so many others do. So what's the difference between

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 22: me and Scar? First of all, I'm not selling you anything.

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01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 22: I'm here because I want ordinary New Zealanders to succeed.

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01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 3: I mean that sounds a hell of a lot like

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01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 3: an African accent, doesn't an African accent trying not to

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01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 3: be an African accent?

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01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 10: You know what I mean?

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's got Winston. So it's Winston sitting in front

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01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 3: of a New Zealand flag. He's got his suit on,

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01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 3: he's got the tie in the handkerchief combo. It looks

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01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 3: like Winston, but it still sounds like.

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Speaker 22: This platform helps everyday New Zealanders earn up to one

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01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 22: thousand New Zealand dollars in net profit every single day.

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Speaker 3: When I said African, did I mean American or a

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01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 3: combo of the two nineteen past six, Heather, Jeremy Hasson

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 3: Milford asset management with me right.

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Speaker 23: Now, how Jeremy, Good evening, Heather.

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01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 3: Now, government debt levels arising. We've got and this is globally,

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01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 3: we've got the interest bills for government's huge and growing issue.

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01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 3: A concept of fiscal dominance is emerging. What is this

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01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 3: all about?

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01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,480
Speaker 23: Yeah, many governments globally are at risk of permanent structural

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01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 23: deficits in their finances, particularly if they can't cover their

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01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 23: interest bills each year or even reduce their heavy debt loads.

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01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 23: As we know, cutting spending and increasing taxes is obviously

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01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 23: very unpopular with the voters. So politicians are looking at

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01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 23: some rather unusual ways at trying to reduce the annual

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 23: interest bill, and one of those is trying to order

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01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 23: central banks to lower interest rates. Or this concept called

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01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 23: fiscal dominance, and this is the primary driver of the

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01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 23: ongoing stash between President Trump and Jerome Powell. We know

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01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 23: the US government deficit is pretty much out of control

1643
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 23: and there's no real trajectory of it ever reducing. So

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01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 23: Trump and other governments around the world have been pretty

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01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 23: active in calling for lower interest rates to try and

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 23: keep the government solvent and keep government finances in checks.

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01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 23: So a blurring of the lines between central banks and governments.

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Speaker 3: Yea, and undermining, isn't it of the independence of central banks?

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01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 15: Yeah?

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01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 23: Of course, So central banks they primarily use interest rates

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01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 23: as a tool to control and free and floation and

1652
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 23: economies and achieve price stability. But if they're forced to

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01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 23: address government debts or government solvency as their primary issue,

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01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 23: then they do risk losing control of this inflation and

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01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 23: independence as well. And most developed economies they operate and

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01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 23: pride themselves on the central bank independence and it is

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01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 23: an important way to keep the confidence in the economy

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01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 23: and the country. So it would be a big divergence

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01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 23: for financial markets to potentially digest if this fiscal dominance

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01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 23: scenario played out.

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01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, is this why we've see Trump constantly calling for

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01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 3: the Fed to cut right? And are there any risks

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01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 3: in New Zealand of this.

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01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 23: Yeah, the US is likely creeping close to this fiscal

1665
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 23: dominance concept and replacing a traditional independent monetary policy. And

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01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 23: you know, Trump has been very vocal calling for these

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01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 23: lower rates, but it does come with those risks of

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01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 23: inflation in the future. Now in New Zealand, you know,

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01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 23: we're even more proud of this monetary policy independence, and

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 23: it is more ordant for a small, open economy like

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01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 23: New Zealand that relies heavily on global debt markets. But

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01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 23: you have seen a little bit of gentle prodding by

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01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 23: the government, but ultimately that's likely all it will come

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01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 23: to here in New Zealand. Nothing more aggressive aggressive than that.

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Speaker 3: Where does the market react to this fiscal dominance.

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01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 23: Yeah, the base case for markets is they are assuming

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01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 23: that central banks retain this independence. But you know, if

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01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 23: there is more evidence of a crossover, particularly in the US,

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01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 23: then this does pose risks to the global economy, particularly

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01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 23: in interest rates and bonds. And this concept can explain

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01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 23: some of the recent very strong moves in gold and

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01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 23: maybe even bitcoin two to a lesser extent. So you know,

1683
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 23: fiscal dominance scenario, it's going to lead to further inflationary

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01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 23: press pressures potentially a loss in confidence and currency, so

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01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 23: a lower US dollar and those real assets like gold

1686
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 23: will continue to do very well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, thanks very much, Jeremy, appreciate it. Jeremy Heuton

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01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 3: of Milford Asset Management, Heather, there is no reason that

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01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 3: New World can actually barcode the stock. They can't understand

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01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 3: what is going to be popular. Loads of retail stores

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 3: can tell you the stock by saw by store. This

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01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 3: is a very good point. If you've worked, you have worked,

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01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 3: and we've all worked in retail as young people like you.

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01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 3: Can you know, even even twenty plus years ago, when

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01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 3: I was working for the record store, type in and

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01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 3: somebody would come and they're going, have you got the

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01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 3: new I don't know snap Dog album? I go, no,

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01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 3: we don't have any We always had the Snapdog album.

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01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 3: We're in South Aulklin. But if we didn't, like if

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01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 3: some random came in and was like, can I please

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01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 3: have the new Pixis album, we'd be like, what are

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01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 3: you doing anyway? Type in the paxis and to the

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01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 3: computer and you go, oh yeah, look Blockhouse Bass got

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01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 3: seven of the Pixies. Let me call them up B.

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01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 3: So this is some It's so basic it's technology that's

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01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 3: been around forever. They just need to run the technolo.

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01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 3: The same technology that they use on their anchor milks

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01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 3: in the New World, they need to use on their

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01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 3: smeag sticker promotion things so that they can say to you, hey, listen,

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01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 3: we are down to the last ten of these or whatever. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I really like Chris Quinn. I could tell that Chris

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01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 3: quin You could tell that Chris Quinn was gutted. Ay,

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 3: he is gutted about this. He's not loving this at all.

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01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 3: So I feel like next time it's going to be better,

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Speaker 3: don't you. Six twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen dan Mas

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Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions US talks for.

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Speaker 3: Her sins Janetibschrainey had to spend the day at the

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Speaker 3: Infrastructure Get Together today, so she's going to come at

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Speaker 3: us with a report after the news. It's twenty seven

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Speaker 3: almost twenty seven past sex. I got some showbiz news

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Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 2: How money this is buy?

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Speaker 3: Calvin Harris the music produced a superstar hes he's had

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Speaker 3: his first baby, but he did it an interesting way.

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Speaker 3: Of announcements. Posted the birth announcement for his son Micah

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Speaker 3: to eleven thousand Instagram followers. First few photo is a

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Speaker 3: pretty normal collection of beautiful snaps of his whiteswater birth

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Speaker 3: at home and stuff. And then the fourth photo is

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Speaker 3: the most graphic photo of a freshly birth placenta that

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Speaker 3: you have ever seen. Didn't start stay like that for long, though,

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Speaker 3: did it? Next couple of photos show him dehydrating, the

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Speaker 3: placenta cut into little bits, and then the placenta in

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Speaker 3: pill form. Couples in TikTok are getting their partners to

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Speaker 3: blind react to the photos. What the fuck the unbelievable cord?

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Speaker 3: That hm, that's the unbelievable card, while others are praising

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Speaker 3: the musician for his raw and unfiltered portrayal of a

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Speaker 3: home birth.

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Speaker 24: Death has gone out to over eleven million followers, most

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Speaker 24: of which will be used to seeing birth in a

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Speaker 24: clinical setting or even just a smile and wave photo

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Speaker 24: with a celebrity after birth.

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Speaker 5: So let's celebrate.

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Speaker 3: Let's celebrate them having an actual birth like normal. Paper

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Speaker 3: tell you what normal people don't do, though, They don't

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Speaker 3: get the placenta and then get the cord and then

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Speaker 3: loop the cord into a little heart to take a photo.

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Speaker 3: Do they normal people don't do? Do you know what normal

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Speaker 3: people do? Do you know what normal people do? They

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Speaker 3: get it in a little takeaway container and then they

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Speaker 3: check it in the freezer for a couple of years,

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Speaker 3: and then after a couple of years they go, oh, geez,

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Speaker 3: I need to clear out the freezer and drumsticks all

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Speaker 3: this on you. Oh what's that? Oh that is what

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Speaker 3: normal people do, and they bury it. Yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: do that in the cup. I've still got one in there,

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Speaker 3: got one in there, and I'm going to find it

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Speaker 3: in a year or so. Anyway, here's Tate McRae's sports car.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Hither to Ellen and Mas for Trusted Home insurance solutions,

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Speaker 1: News talks be don't you.

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Speaker 17: Be there?

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Speaker 3: This is Rose and Bruno, Mars and songs called the

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Speaker 3: pet Could I say it right now? Upper tet? Why

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Speaker 3: this is now? I'm understanding what's going on on the radio.

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Speaker 3: Thank you and answers helped me out. Hey, hither the

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Speaker 3: text from Trevor Hither, I'm surprised your barcode rationale read

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Speaker 3: the New World promotion. Where it falls down and is

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Speaker 3: the fact that with your Snoop Dog analogy, the shop

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Speaker 3: would generally buy more if they saw demand getting away

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Speaker 3: on them. But with New World they have to order

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Speaker 3: a one off quantity a year in advance. Otherwise, anticipating

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Speaker 3: the demand would be flexible, wouldn't it. Brackets By the way,

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Speaker 3: I hate thank you, Trevor. Now the point I was

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Speaker 3: trying to make so yes, in this instance, unlike it

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Speaker 3: sounds music store, when we saw that we were getting

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Speaker 3: low on the Pixis or Snoop Dog, what we would

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Speaker 3: do is obviously order some more from BMG or Universal

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Speaker 3: or whatever. The difference here is what they need to

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Speaker 3: know with this running low on stock system is that

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Speaker 3: they need to then go out and warn us. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's the important thing. Emma from Saint Helier's

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Speaker 3: is surprised that she is now not able to get

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Speaker 3: a brazer because for two weeks the store told us

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Speaker 3: they're going to be restocked. So what they need to

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Speaker 3: do is they need to go guys, we're down to

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Speaker 3: the last one thousand in New Zealand, because we've got

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Speaker 3: the barcode and we can see that last one thousand

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand, get your stickers and get your brazer,

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Speaker 3: and then last one hundred, last ten, last one, and

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Speaker 3: can you like Also, I don't want to be giving

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Speaker 3: free ideas to New World because you know they're not

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Speaker 3: not everyone's loving the supermarkets at the moment. But wouldn't

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Speaker 3: that be quite good for generating a little bit of

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Speaker 3: ongoing kind of news media. Then you'd have stuff going

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Speaker 3: live with the last brazier in the country, and then

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Speaker 3: they'd probably go to the supermarket and they'd watch the

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Speaker 3: person get the last brazer. I mean, there is just

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Speaker 3: media opportunities here the Kingdom come.

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Speaker 9: I think that might be true to some extent. Heather

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Speaker 9: of it. Imagine if they did that next year, and

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Speaker 9: it'll be like fourth year in a row they've run

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Speaker 9: out early yet again they've done it again. I think

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Speaker 9: they've you know, they've got a poor track record.

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Speaker 3: Not if they do my idea ants because they won't

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Speaker 3: run out early.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe just don't wait till the very last one

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Speaker 9: in the can and stop it.

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Speaker 3: My idea is Keller. You know what, don't tell New

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Speaker 3: all about my idea. I'm going to package it up

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Speaker 3: as a pitch. I'm going to sell it to them,

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Speaker 3: make millions off it, because then I'll also be able

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Speaker 3: to shield them from all this negative attention they're getting.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two away from seven Keller Duel Big Infrastructure Conference

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Speaker 3: in Wellington today, National and Labor have been making all

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Speaker 3: the right noises on bipartisanship plans and long term projects

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Speaker 3: that have cross party support. Blah blah. The Herald's Wellington

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Speaker 3: Business editor, Genative Traney's been listening to them as with us. Now, Hello, jenay, Hey,

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Speaker 3: So it's Kieren McNaughty and Chris Bishop. Is it making

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Speaker 3: the bipartisanship noises?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. The conference ended with those two on stage.

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Speaker 7: They had matching shoes, which was pointed out because they

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Speaker 7: have somewhat of a bromance. They actually get along quite well.

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Speaker 7: I'm Karen and Chris Bishop. So they really told the

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Speaker 7: audience what they wanted to hear, which was that you know,

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Speaker 7: the two parties could work together agree on key things

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Speaker 7: around infrastructure. The sector is crying out for certainty, you know,

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Speaker 7: that's what's required to have long term investment and so on.

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Speaker 7: So Karen McNulty confirmed that Labor would honor all public

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Speaker 7: private partnership contracts the government entered into, so you know,

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Speaker 7: he said they weren't Labor wasn't opposed to PPPs, but

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Speaker 7: of course if promises hadn't been funded, that might be

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Speaker 7: a different story. Chris Bishop, he tooked up how he

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Speaker 7: was quote continuing Phil Twyford's legacy in the urban development space.

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Speaker 7: So actually Chris Bishop and Phil Twyford are very aligned

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Speaker 7: with you know, ways they want to change rules to

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Speaker 7: encourage private investments. He talked about that, and then Chris

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Speaker 7: Bishop also said he's been briefing opposition in ps to

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Speaker 7: get their two cents on work underway as part of

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Speaker 7: the RIM. So those were the areas they sort of highlighted.

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Speaker 3: Akay, nice to say these things, but does it actually last.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's the key question. And you know, this

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Speaker 7: morning Chris Hipkins addressed the conference and the oil and

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Speaker 7: gas ban is the prime example. So if Labor gets

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Speaker 7: into government, it will reintroduce the oil and gas ban.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, and I took, I asked him.

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Speaker 7: I said, well, because Labor makes the argument that doesn't

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Speaker 7: really matter because no one wants to explore in New

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Speaker 7: Zealand anyway. Like we've sort of taken all the gas

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Speaker 7: that's easy to take, and no one's looking to really

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Speaker 7: do major exploration. So I said, well, if that's the case,

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Speaker 7: then why do we need the band, Because if they're

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Speaker 7: not going to do it anyway, why have the band?

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Speaker 7: It sort of just creates instability and sovereign risk and

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Speaker 7: so on and so on. But you know, labor, that

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Speaker 7: is something that it feels firm on. So you know,

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Speaker 7: there's an example of you know, of them not doing

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Speaker 7: what the sector watch, which has provide certainty.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: Chris Hipkins also said the government talks about bipartisanship, but

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Speaker 7: they just want labor to get on board with what

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Speaker 7: they want. They're not truly engaging. So you know, and

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Speaker 7: then I guess if you if you point the finger

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Speaker 7: at Chris Bishop, he national did agree with labor on

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Speaker 7: the medium density residential standards. Those are the ones that

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Speaker 7: mean you can densify more easily. So they agreed in opposition,

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Speaker 7: they get into government and they and they pull out

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Speaker 7: of that commitment and so you know, politicians will be

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Speaker 7: politicians cheap. What were the shoes I think they were

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Speaker 7: they were brown boots. Still, yeah, I couldn't tell if

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Speaker 7: they were that fancy from where I was sitting, but

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Speaker 7: you know they were. It was interesting actually with those

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Speaker 7: two on stage. They sounded very sensible and you did

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Speaker 7: look at them and think they could be too. You know,

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Speaker 7: two people who who the public warm too, and.

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Speaker 3: What are you trying to say? They could be leadership potential.

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Speaker 9: Well, I didn't want to go that far.

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Speaker 3: It's fine.

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Speaker 9: Had Thomas problem went that far.

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Speaker 3: He went that far on Saturday by basically starting the

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Speaker 3: clock on Luxon. So I think we can start talking

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Speaker 3: about this kind of stuff, don't you think. Hey, thank

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Speaker 3: you very much, Jane. As always Jenetebtrainey, the Herald's business

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Speaker 3: headitor down in Wellington. While we're on the subject of politicians,

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Speaker 3: Auckland councilor Chris Darby has confirmed that he's out. He's

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Speaker 3: not going to stand at the elections again later this year.

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Speaker 3: He's actually I mean, he's been around for a very

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Speaker 3: long time. He's been there twenty one years. First got

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Speaker 3: elected in two thousand and four. Now, Chris, I'm not

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Speaker 3: like a Chris Darby fanboy. I liked some of what

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Speaker 3: Chris Darby's done. I really didn't like some of what

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Speaker 3: Chris Darby's done, but What I like about Chris Darby

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Speaker 3: is his attitude. He said in farewell statement, I'm not

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Speaker 3: here to be popular. I'm here to be useful. We

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Speaker 3: must plan for generations we will never meet. And I

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Speaker 3: think i'd like more, like can I just say that

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Speaker 3: I'm pointing the set Luxe and like, let's not bet

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Speaker 3: around the bochet. This is for Chris Luxon, be like that.

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Speaker 1: Just do the thing.

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Speaker 3: You're already elected. You've you've got three years minimum. Who

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Speaker 3: knows what happens after the first three years. Maybe you've

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Speaker 3: got six years, maybe you've got more if you're lucky.

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Speaker 3: Just do the things that you think are important. Stop

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Speaker 3: trying to be popular. If you do the things that

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Speaker 3: you're that you think are important, we will thank you

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Speaker 3: in the long run, even if you're wrong. At least

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Speaker 3: you're tried. But it's that is much better, surely than

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Speaker 3: sitting there trying to be like New World and guessing

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Speaker 3: what people actually want. That's a hideous situation. Seventeen away

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Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: Of a business hour with the header DUP c Ellen

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Speaker 1: and maz for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News.

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Speaker 3: Talks that be Apparently Chris Bishop was wearing no MADS.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true or not, but that's

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Speaker 3: the information we've got. Four teen away from seven Kevin

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Speaker 3: Gray are UK correspondents with us even in Gevin hither

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Speaker 3: had What are the chances Rachel Reeves actually does what

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Speaker 3: she's told to do and raises taxes.

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Speaker 25: So Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, the money in person and

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Speaker 25: the government will give out her budget, her plans for

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Speaker 25: the economy in October, and as the days come closer,

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Speaker 25: it really really does look like she's going to have

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Speaker 25: to raise taxes. And that is because now another very

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Speaker 25: well respected economic think tank here in the UK, the

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Speaker 25: National Institute of Economic and Social Research, not the most

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Speaker 25: catchy title, says we've got a black hole of some

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Speaker 25: eighty five billion New Zealand dollars, maybe even a bit

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Speaker 25: more actually on that exchange, but something very very large

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Speaker 25: black hole to fill. And Rachel Reeves has set out

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Speaker 25: two rules for government borrowing. The first is that day

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Speaker 25: to day spending will be paid for with government revenue

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Speaker 25: that's taxes, and borrowing can only be for investment. And

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Speaker 25: the second rule is that debt must be falling as

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Speaker 25: a share of national income by the end of the parliament. Well,

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Speaker 25: these now are said to be non negotia left by

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Speaker 25: raising taxes, so it looks like that's probably going to

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Speaker 25: have to happen. But this is a massive, massive shortfall

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Speaker 25: and massive gap to fill, and the think tank says

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Speaker 25: that living standards are the poorest ten percent of the

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Speaker 25: population and now ten percent lower than pre COVID levels,

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Speaker 25: so it says they should be protected from these tax rises.

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Speaker 3: What's going to happen with the skafuffle over whether the

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Speaker 3: police give out the ethnicity of people who they've charged.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I think it's going to have to happen. So

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Speaker 25: at the moment, the rules regarding what police unveil at

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Speaker 25: the time of charging a suspect, questioning a suspect and

1949
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Speaker 25: going to court are really very very strict and they

1950
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Speaker 25: give very little information out. What people are calling for

1951
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Speaker 25: is that they should give out more information about the

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Speaker 25: ethnicity and background of those who have been charged, particularly

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Speaker 25: whether or not they are asylum seekers. Now this has

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01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 25: all come to the four because two men have been

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Speaker 25: charged with the rape of a twelve year old girl

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Speaker 25: in Warwickshire in the Midlands, in England and it's reported

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Speaker 25: they are Afghan asylum seekers. Now the situation here has

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01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 25: been very tense, with a number of protests, some turning

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Speaker 25: a little violent outside hotels where asylum seekers are being housed.

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Speaker 25: There are roughly two hundred hotels being used for this purposes,

1961
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Speaker 25: and the daily cost for housing asylum seekers and looking

1962
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Speaker 25: after them is a staggering ten million New Zealand dollars

1963
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Speaker 25: per day and people are getting fed up with it.

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Speaker 25: And so what now It's interesting is that the Prime

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Speaker 25: Minister and his government are saying, do you know what, Actually,

1966
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 25: maybe we should be slackening the rules and regulations about

1967
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Speaker 25: what can and can't be said in order to avert

1968
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Speaker 25: potential flare ups over misinformation, which incidentally is really what

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Speaker 25: happened way back. You'll remember last summer a year ago

1970
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Speaker 25: when Axel Ruder Bicana murdered three young girls at a

1971
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Speaker 25: dance class, a summer dance class in Southport, which led

1972
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 25: to riots. It was said at the time he was

1973
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Speaker 25: an illegal migrant.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't.

1975
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Speaker 25: He was here legally with his parents having come from Africa.

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Speaker 25: So that's what they're looking at. And I think there's

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Speaker 25: a great deal of pressure now as they realize this.

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Speaker 25: Even though the general election could be years away, this

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Speaker 25: could be the defining issue for that election.

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Speaker 3: Ah yeah, fair point. Now, so there was no bullying

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Speaker 3: at Prince Harry's charity.

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Speaker 25: No, So the charity regulator has found there was no bullying,

1983
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Speaker 25: harassment or misogyny at Center Balley. That's the charity that

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01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 25: Prince Harry set up but has since resigned along with

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01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 25: several other trustees earlier this year following a very very

1986
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 25: bitter boardroom dispute and whistleblower allegations. Now the Charity Commissions

1987
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 25: has imposed no sanctions. The current leadership will remain at

1988
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 25: the charity. The charity supports young people in Southern Africa,

1989
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 25: very very close to Prince Harry's heart, but he's now

1990
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 25: gone and this is a bittersweet outcome for Prince Harry,

1991
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 25: which is obviously being deeply personal to him. But both

1992
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 25: sides of this argument are to blame for the toxicity

1993
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Speaker 25: and the damage that has been caused to the charity.

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Speaker 25: According to the Charity Commission, the Row had seen Prince

1995
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 25: Harry being labeled as a toxic brand by the charity's

1996
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 25: chair and he'd stepped down saying he and his trustees

1997
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 25: relationship with the chair had broken beyond repair, saying their

1998
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,560
Speaker 25: face latant lives. So Prince Harry not entirely happy with

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Speaker 25: the ruling, but at least it doesn't point to any

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01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 25: of those things bullying, harassment, misogyny, which is what that

2001
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 25: charity was accused of.

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Speaker 3: Gavin, thanks so much. Always appreciate your time. We'll check

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Speaker 3: you in on Friday. That's Kevin Gray, are UK correspondent

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01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 3: nine away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto pu See allan Drive full show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zebbi.

2007
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Speaker 3: How about this for a backfire. I enjoyed this very much.

2008
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 3: There was a woman who took her dogs to Tongereo

2009
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 3: National Park. Then she put the dogs in front of

2010
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 3: a sign that said quite explicitly, no dogs in Tongereo

2011
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 3: National Park. And then she took a photo and then

2012
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 3: she put that on Facebook. And now she's been slapped

2013
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 3: with the four hundred dollar fine. How good is that?

2014
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,759
Speaker 3: Because dogs are banned in all New Zealand national parks

2015
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 3: under the National Parks Act nineteen eighty except in very

2016
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 3: limited circumstances. She could read the sign, but she wanted

2017
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 3: to take her dogs in as if she made a

2018
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 3: mockery of the law and the law came back to

2019
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 3: bite her on the butt. Now she owes US four

2020
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 3: hundred dollars. I just it's just my ongoing campaign. It's

2021
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 3: my ongoing campaign about responsible dog ownership. Now I have

2022
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 3: a bone to pick with Nick Mowbray. Nick is in

2023
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 3: court at the moment because he's in a fight with

2024
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 3: a former mate and business partner about the nappy business

2025
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 3: that they were in yonks Ago and while they were

2026
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 3: in court incidentally, actually hot Goss from Wileywin Court. While

2027
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 3: they were in court, he was asked if he and

2028
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 3: his brother were worth twenty billion dollars and he said,

2029
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 3: probably good for him. How good is that? How good

2030
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 3: is it that there are a couple of boys who've

2031
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:12,799
Speaker 3: decided and the sister who's not part of it anymore,

2032
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 3: But that's a long story. But anyway, How good is

2033
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 3: it that they decided to make some toys and stuff

2034
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 3: and now they're worth twenty billion dollars? Absolutely awesome. The

2035
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 3: bone I have to pick with him is that there's

2036
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 3: a photo of him outside court and he uses his phone.

2037
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 3: He's forty years old or thereabouts my age ish. He

2038
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 3: uses his phone like a boomer, So he puts his

2039
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 3: phone on speaker, right, and then he holds it up

2040
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 3: to his ear like it still needs because it's too

2041
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 3: noisy outside the High Court. I don't know if you've

2042
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:42,759
Speaker 3: been outside the High Court, but it's quite a noisy

2043
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 3: little part of the world. There's wind because you're up

2044
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 3: on a little bit of a ridge there in Auckland,

2045
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 3: you know. So you got a bit of wind going on,

2046
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 3: been a bit windy lately in Auckland unusually. And then

2047
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 3: you got the traffic going by, and then you've just

2048
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 3: got the general city noise which is rising up. So

2049
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 3: he's putting his phone on speaker and then he's I

2050
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,040
Speaker 3: can't hear you, mate, Now I can't hear you, and

2051
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 3: he puts the speaker up to his ear. Mate, Come on,

2052
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 3: if you've got to do that, like you're seventy five,

2053
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 3: why don't you just take it off, speak it and

2054
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 3: put it up to your face like a normal person.

2055
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 3: Because this is like everything that's bad about phone news,

2056
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 3: because not only can he not hear it, so he's

2057
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 3: standing in there looking like an empty but now we're

2058
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 3: all having to listen to it as well. If we

2059
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 3: can walk past us and shouting down the phone. Anyway,

2060
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 3: that's the thing. That's the thing that I want you

2061
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 3: all to stop doing.

2062
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 9: It's not nice.

2063
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 3: It's very disappointing. And Nick Mowbray just goes to show

2064
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 3: you can have a lot of money, but you can

2065
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 3: still use your phone like a douchebag. Am I going

2066
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 3: to get sued for this?

2067
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 9: Hopefully he just takes it as friendly FETs just.

2068
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 3: Because I'm a huge fan, huge fan, huge fan.

2069
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 9: And when you put it up to your ear as well,

2070
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 9: you can do the old thing and classic thing where

2071
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 9: you stick your finger in the other ear as well.

2072
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 9: Oh you can hear more. You can't do that with

2073
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 9: Speak of Home Taste by Sabrina Carpenter. Players out tonight.

2074
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 9: This song is not up for Song of the Air

2075
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 9: at the MTV VMA's, but I'm playing it because it

2076
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 9: should be. Why is this song not up for Song

2077
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 9: of the Air at the Endie? It's much better than

2078
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 9: that rubbish Ed Sharon song that I played at the

2079
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 9: end of the four o'clock hour. At first, I thought

2080
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 9: maybe it's because it came out like almost a year ago,

2081
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 9: but no, no, no, The album's up for Best Album

2082
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 9: and Saverna Carpenter's up for all They also ran awards.

2083
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 9: She's up for Best Pop Artist and she says for

2084
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 9: Best Pop Album. Why is there no love for Saverena

2085
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 9: Carpenter in this particularly weak year? Otherwise? I don't understand it,

2086
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 9: and I.

2087
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:24,560
Speaker 3: Am compelled by your argument. I feel like if you

2088
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 3: were going on a road trip to Tower on It

2089
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 3: on a sunny day, you dropped the top and listened

2090
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 3: to this.

2091
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 9: Wouldn't you. Absolutely? I was at a party last year

2092
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 9: where this song came on and then somebody skipped to

2093
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 9: the next song, and there were cries vanger, there were

2094
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 9: cries of all they come daring to skip to this one.

2095
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 9: No one's gonna do that for d Sharon.

2096
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 3: I think you know what, it's a crime. I'm with

2097
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 3: you on this. Thank you for that, or it will

2098
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 3: see you tomorrow.

2099
01:39:47,840 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 26: I haven't ice think Okay, you're got together, yo, Just

2100
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 26: that it tast me when's kissing.

2101
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 4: You did not fast me.

2102
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 20: You just have to taste me when's kissing. You just

2103
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 20: have to taste me when kissing.

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