1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: The Victoria University of Wellington Students Association Views turning some 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: heads with their new campaign today no Work, Shite pay, 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Why Stay? As the slogan for there Where's the Work campaign? 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: The group are hoping to draw attention to the record 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: number of students ditching the country for overseas. Aiden Donahue 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: is the Engagement Vice President at VIEWSA hi Aiden, Hello, 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: so why do you think these students are leaving well? 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: In our opinion, I think it's just the rational decision 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: for any student when they see such a lack of 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: opportunities within the country. If they can see that it's 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: quite easy to move to another country, say Australia, it's 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: got better pay, better opportunities, and they've already seen all 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: of the zeal in all their life, why would they stay? 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: What's the difference in graduate pay starting rates between the countries. 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: I don't have that off the cuff, but I'm looking 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: on sites like Possible you can see the rates are 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: around about ten thousand dollars difference, and including the currency difference, 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: it's just not very competitive with New Zealand. 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: So what do you want done about that? Yeah? 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: So all about this, This campaign is all about trying 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: to pressure both the public and private to see that 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: there's a clear lack of supply for this huge demand 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: we're seeing and just fill those gaps we've seen within 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: the public sector. There's been pressured within house to lower 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: their roles offered, and then we really want to encourage 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: private to pick up that that and keep ki we 27 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: talent ke we. 28 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: You want private businesses to hire graduates, but you mean 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: you can't just hire graduates to do nothing, can you? No? 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 2: Exactly we want to and if there isn't enough work there, 31 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: it's just a clear something that that other places will 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: provide that work. And so it's either we let these 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: people go and of which we probably will not see 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: them again gathering from our wages, or we keep them 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: in house and try and expand within New Zealand. 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: A lot of industry in Australia that keeps their unemployment 37 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: rate at the lower rate than OWS. I think ours 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: is five point one. There is four point one at 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: the moment unemployment. But you know they've got a lot 40 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: of mineral extraction, that sort of thing. You'd be on 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: board for more of that that's graduate jobs. 42 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, we're not opposed to any graduate opportunity for 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: any of our students, because ultimately the decision to take 44 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 2: that job lies within the individual. We just want to 45 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: see that that those opportunities be presented in the first place. 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: So it's not like you're waiving a woke flag here saying, oh, 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: we won't take these jobs, we won't take fossil fuel jobs. 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: You're saying, actually, you want an economy that's strong enough 49 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: that has decent jobs for graduates to go into so 50 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: they stay in New Zealand. 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: Exactly couldn't have said it better ourselves. 52 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Well, what's the harm in that? So who have you 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: written to and what's the response you're getting? 54 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: So we haven't written so much that the action on 55 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 2: Monday was us posing the question first, and we really 56 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: want to put the ball and within their core about 57 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: what they're going to do with that. We can see 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: the stats that people are leaving and so it's really 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: up to policymakers employers to really to fix that if 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: they want to have a strong workforce to toy from. 61 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great, I love it because we need I'm glad. Look, 62 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: I used to know a thing or two about views it, 63 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of people in there who 64 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: would not have said things that you've just said to me. 65 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: They were basically they were basically communists. They didn't really 66 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: want private enterprise. This was a long time ago. But yeah, no, 67 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: a strong economy means strong jobs and that means places 68 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: for your graduates to go do. Yeah, exactly, good on you, 69 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: Aiden Donahue, Engagement vice president at VIEWSA in Wellington. Students 70 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: graduating path to work work's not there? Can you blame them? 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