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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, local and

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Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 2: It is eighteen to six.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Williams from the Textpayers Union and Ellie Jones from

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Speaker 3: red PR on the Huddle tonight.

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Speaker 4: Good evening, guys, good evening, and also a local community board, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: So thanks for that. We are a pack of nut

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Speaker 4: bars with here growing out of our ears.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't actually realize you were on a

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Speaker 3: local board until Laura.

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Speaker 2: I've prett disappointed that out.

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Speaker 4: Ye a bunch of.

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Speaker 3: Comments.

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Speaker 4: Oh Jordan, you're a slippery devil. Yes, I am the exception.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, let's talk about the official cash rate.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it's it's dropped today, but the track going forward

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Speaker 3: is for bigger drop, faster good news.

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Speaker 2: What do you think when you, Jordan, when you listen to.

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Speaker 3: And watch those press conferences from the governor Adrian R

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Speaker 3: what do you think about? Do you think, gosh, you're

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Speaker 3: the guy that did this to us, because that's what

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't look at the conference anymore. I listen

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Speaker 5: to them because we have a Reserve Bank governor who

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Speaker 5: doesn't appear to know how to iron a shirt and

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Speaker 5: refuses to wear a tie and not take his job seriously. No, look,

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Speaker 5: it's terrible to say that. Oh it's good. Interest rates

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Speaker 5: are going to come down further and faster. No, the

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Speaker 5: the projected growth compared to the the same update, you know,

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Speaker 5: the same document they produce in November.

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Speaker 2: Is worse.

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Speaker 5: We're going backwards. Things are not good in the economy.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, ultimately we w on economic growth. You know,

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Speaker 5: that's what makes New Zealand prosperous. That gives us the

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Speaker 5: ability to pay for good public services, the ability to

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Speaker 5: have good standards of living. And we've got every indicator

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Speaker 5: for you know, for the last year, every update, it's

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Speaker 5: getting worse than we thought it would be.

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Speaker 4: Ellie, I wonder where the cost of living plays a

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Speaker 4: part in that too. I am not an economist, and

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Speaker 4: as someone who's just living day to day finding things

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Speaker 4: extremely expensive. Yes, of course mortgage interest rates dropping is

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Speaker 4: going to help as far as have money for people

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Speaker 4: to spend, but as far as making life easier and

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Speaker 4: reducing the cost of living. The food prices we're still

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Speaker 4: being ripped off by those We've got premiums for insurance.

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Speaker 4: Insurance is turning into a nice to have and it

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Speaker 4: can't be. We've got rates that are out of control.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can't just fix it by lowering mortgage

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Speaker 4: interest rates. And I think that those other things are

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Speaker 4: being left to get out of control and that's what's

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Speaker 4: making life really hard for people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point actually, because Jordan we don't

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Speaker 3: have disinflation. So you know, inflation pushes all the prices up,

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Speaker 3: and sure some people's wages have increased alongside that, but

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Speaker 3: for most people that's not the case. For many people,

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Speaker 3: that's not the case. And it's not like prices have

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Speaker 3: actually gone down. I mean they go up and they

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Speaker 3: stay there and they just don't increase at the same rate. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's all.

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Speaker 5: Of that's true. But I mean the even when we

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Speaker 5: go get back, when we focus to get back to growth,

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Speaker 5: it's only growth per capita or GDP per capita that matters.

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Speaker 5: And on that measure, we are in the longest recession

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Speaker 5: or quarter you know, you know, quarter to quarter to

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Speaker 5: quarter to quarter on a per person basis, the longestance

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Speaker 5: records began. You know, we're in you know, we've got

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Speaker 5: real problems. And I would argue that the government simply

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Speaker 5: is not acting with the urgency. Ali Rightney mentions local government.

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Speaker 5: You know, the big outlier in the stats Sense data

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Speaker 5: on inflation is the cost of local government. And you

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Speaker 5: know Sime and Brown was doing some great work there.

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Speaker 5: We've now got, you know, the minister that's just lumped

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Speaker 5: us with larger climate taxes. You know, actually though the

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Speaker 5: climate tax is going up later this year with under

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Speaker 5: the eat.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so you're saying the government they need to move

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Speaker 2: work a lot harder. I hear Jordan Williams Tax Panzinion,

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Speaker 2: Allie Jones, red PR, the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the marketing

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Speaker 1: of your home.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Williams from the Tax Panthy Union and Allie Jones

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Speaker 3: from red PR on the huddle tonight. The Right to repair,

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Speaker 3: So there's a member's bill before Parliament that's going to

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Speaker 3: be read today and MPs will get to vote on

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Speaker 3: whether they think it should happen. It's it would force

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Speaker 3: the manufacturers to repair stuff. Ellie, I just wonder how

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Speaker 3: much stuff is repairable. I mean, you think exactly yeah

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Speaker 3: in my camp.

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, Look, I completely agree. I don't think you

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Speaker 4: can force companies to do a repair. I think the

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Speaker 4: Consumer Guarantees Act is pretty clear as far as the

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Speaker 4: life of an object or thing is and I think

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Speaker 4: that that works pretty well when people know how it

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Speaker 4: works and they call people out on it. And I

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Speaker 4: do that regularly. I return the vacuum cleaner yesterday. How

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Speaker 4: long should something last? You know, let's have that discussion.

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Speaker 4: If it's cheap, is it a fair expectation that it

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Speaker 4: won't last and it's just tough if it breaks? I

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Speaker 4: think it's I think it's admirable this kind of idea.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it will work. We have places in

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Speaker 4: christ Church where you take things to get them repaired.

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Speaker 4: There's one Enrichmond near me called Repair Revolution. I've had

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Speaker 4: a handbag repaired and and a lamp repaired. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: don't think it's feasible to be able to make something

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Speaker 4: like that work. Not everything can be repaired. Let's time

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Speaker 4: make things last as long as they can. But you know,

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Speaker 4: are people going to have the time or the wherewithal

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Speaker 4: to actually get something repaired or just take it to

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Speaker 4: the dump. I think it'll be the latter.

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Speaker 2: What happened to your vacuum cleaner?

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Speaker 4: It stopped sucking, which is quite important for a vacuum cleaner.

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Speaker 4: And when I took it back Ryan, I was told

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Speaker 4: that I hadn't cleaned the filters, and I felt I

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Speaker 4: felt quite put out by that someone was questioning my

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Speaker 4: parenting ability of a vacuum cleaner. And so but anyway,

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Speaker 4: they were very good customers, always right, So thumbs up

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Speaker 4: to Bristol.

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Speaker 2: They fixed it and you went home with the repair.

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Speaker 4: No, because I'd already another one and they couldn't fix it.

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Speaker 4: So they gave me my money back. So I did

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Speaker 4: say the Consumer Guarantees Act allows me to do this,

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Speaker 4: and they agree.

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Speaker 2: And how long ago did you buy it?

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Speaker 4: October twenty fifth of October.

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Speaker 3: Ah, okay, so that's fair enough. Jordan went to, have

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Speaker 3: you taken anything back to the store lately.

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Speaker 5: No, but I sort of to have something similar to

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Speaker 5: this and that a few years ago I brought something

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Speaker 5: called a car thing off Spotify, which is like a

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Speaker 5: controller for you, sort of remote controller for Spotify. And

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Speaker 5: then just before Christmas they apped and said, oh, we're

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Speaker 5: no longer supporting that anymore and just.

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Speaker 2: Like pulled the software support for it.

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Speaker 5: So this thing that costs like one hundred years no

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Speaker 5: longer words was that rageous in terms of the right

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Speaker 5: to repair. A lot of this sort of goes back

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Speaker 5: to this is it a movement for consumer movement in

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Speaker 5: the US when John Deer started making all these stuff

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Speaker 5: proprietary so that Joe Farmer couldn't go and fix it. It's

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Speaker 5: it's like, I mean it, bumper stick of policy. Really good,

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Speaker 5: but realistically Apple going to change the design of their

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Speaker 5: life to make the battery replaceable or being able to

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Speaker 5: the consumer being able to do it. I think in

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Speaker 5: a world of electronics where stuff is frankly, you know,

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Speaker 5: a lot more proprietary in the like I think Alli's

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Speaker 5: you know, this conversation has shown it. It's a strong

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Speaker 5: consumer guarantees act things are fit for purpose. That's more

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Speaker 5: important than the ability to sort of you know, to

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Speaker 5: tinker with tinker with with with your John Dare or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, or you're so many texts coming in today

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Speaker 3: about water blasters apparently water a lot of water blasters

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Speaker 3: breaking around New Zealand, and they will charge you half

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Speaker 3: the cost of a brand new water blood crisis crisis.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's going to have filthy homes just to fix.

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Speaker 5: But a water blaster would be fun to fix. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's some things that look I push a pen round

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Speaker 5: for a living. So my summer was like, you know,

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Speaker 5: at the at my wife's family batch. You know that

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Speaker 5: I broke the ride on. I don't know anything about

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Speaker 5: ride ons. I'm terrible at that sort of thing. But

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Speaker 5: what probably took someone with any skill half an hour

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Speaker 5: took me two days and I loved it. It was

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Speaker 5: so satisfying.

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Speaker 4: You're exceptional, though, Jordan, No, you're definitely exceptional. There are

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Speaker 4: many people who would take take a look at something

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Speaker 4: like that and either not even give it a go,

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Speaker 4: or give it a go for ten minutes and then

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Speaker 4: lose interest in That would be me. So that's the

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Speaker 4: other thing. It's going to end up in landfill or

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Speaker 4: be sold cheap as is, whereas I don't think people

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Speaker 4: are going to you know, if you've got something in law,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to make any difference.

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Speaker 3: Allie Jones, thank you very much from red pr and

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Speaker 3: Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers Union. And what have we

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Speaker 3: learned from that discussion where we've learned that whoever Jordan

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Speaker 3: is married to has a parents have a batch.

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Speaker 2: That's big enough to have its own right on Lawnmower.

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