1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: Find your one of a. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Kind huddle happening. We have Liam Here, a lawyer and 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: political commentator, and Jack time host of Q and A 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: and Saturday Mornings High. Let's all right, Jack, do you 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: like the supermarket announcement? 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 3: Ah? Yeah, yeah, Actually, look, I look, Look, I do 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 3: think it'll make a difference in the long run, A 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: little bit of a difference, not a massive one. I 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: don't think it's going to fundamentally change the cost of 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: living for any of us anytime soon. I do think 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: we have problems around the seating. I do think there's 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: an melon to the fast track legislations through useful so yep, 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 3: in the in the in the anals of time, I 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 3: can see this feasibly having some impact. I don't think 16 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: it's going to be transformational. I don't think that's what's 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 3: them promised. I think they still have a couple of 18 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 3: tools in their arsenalists they really want to go that far. 19 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, we're not going to see any 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: massive change anytime soon, that's sure, Liam. 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: Well, it might not be messa change anytime soon. But 22 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: I do actually think this is the right way to 23 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: do it, Like, there are multiple ways you can devene. 24 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: You can be as heavy handed as you like. You 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: can go and stand up your own government owned supermarket 26 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: that's only open until four in the afternoon, that's closed 27 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: on Sundays, or you can do what you can to 28 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: get out of the way in terms of stopping developments 29 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: from happening. And you know, I said, it's the market 30 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: orientended approach is to remove those various markets, to let 31 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: them be the loopholes that catalysm breathe through. Look, I 32 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: don't think like it doesn't It won't change things. Overnight 33 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: announcements don't lower the cost of living, But more competitives 34 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: can only be a good thing. 35 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Jack. I think it's very tempting to 36 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: aim for something like the structural separation or whatever, you know, 37 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: the really big stuff. But that would freak the markets 38 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: and the investors out so badly that you might actually 39 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: deter investments. So surely the right thing to do is 40 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: actually just cut as much red tape as you can. 41 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: Well, that is certainly the nuclear option, right, And I 42 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: suppose from the government's perspective, if they have a kind 43 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: of intermediate step, even if that intermediate step is closer 44 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: to the you know, perceptions of doing nothing end of 45 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: the scales, and the dramatic change that's breaking up the 46 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: view awfully might affect end of the scale, you know, I, 47 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: you know, I can understand why they're why they've taken 48 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: this option. I think that the thing is, if they 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 3: did go with a nuclear option, I don't think anyone 50 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: can say with certainty exactly what the results of that 51 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 3: decision would. 52 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: Be, how long it would take exactly. 53 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: So if there is an intermediate step, I think it's 54 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: pretty reasonable to consider that the prudent option. 55 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Liam, I love the idea of acting the ministry for women. 56 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: How about you, well, to permit a man's plain to 57 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: your audience, I am also in favor of this one. 58 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: I think that if you ax of women, the impact 59 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: on the average New Zealand woman would be zero. Frankly, 60 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: no one's going to notice. And you know, it's not 61 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: to say that the ministry woman never does anything that's 62 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: not worthy or important to do, but it doesn't need 63 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: to be in its own standalone ministry with its own 64 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: chief executive. You know, all the infrastructure that comes to 65 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: having your own ministry. I mean, we said, most of 66 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: my business, we have eighteen employees, most of most of 67 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: the mail women and most of the up and comers 68 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: the woman. And it's not because of anything the military 69 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: woman has done. It's just because of the level playing 70 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: field like we have now, Talent comes out and you 71 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: know it's there's been a narrowing wage gap. That's nothing 72 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: to do with the milisitary woman. What the milistary woman 73 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: has done, I think is it has sort of forced 74 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: more gender balance on public sector boards and the management 75 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: level of the public sector. But those are pretty even now, 76 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: they're pretty fifty fifty. In fact, they probably lean a 77 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: little bit more on the on the on the hiring 78 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: women's side of things, and those games don't get a 79 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: raised from the bureaucracy. Once you say right, job done, 80 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: you can go home now. 81 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: Too, right, Jack, I want your take on it. We'll 82 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: get it after the break the huddle with New Zealand 83 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: Southeby's International Realty the global leader and Luxury real Estate 84 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: back the whole Jack, Tame and Liam here gone? Then Jack, 85 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: would you scrap the Ministry for Women? 86 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: I think if you asked a lot of New Zealanders, 87 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: what has the Ministry of women achieved at least in 88 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: recent years, most people would be scratching their heads. It's 89 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: not to say they haven't achieved anything, but I just 90 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 3: I don't think many people would be able to point 91 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: to really significant, tangible outcomes when it comes to when 92 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: it comes to the public sector board representation and CEOs. 93 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: I don't see why we would need a ministry in 94 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: order to advocate for some sort of we're going to story. 95 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: I'm going to stick this up. 96 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: This This is an easy one. Because we all hate 97 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: the Ministry for Women, They do nothing. What about the 98 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: Ministry for Pacific People's Jack Well, I. 99 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: Think there's I think there's a reasonable argument to be 100 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: made for at the very least some sort of consolidation 101 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 3: across the demographic ministries. Now, maybe maybe people will say 102 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: we need to go one step further and scrap them all. 103 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: But if in principle you agree that these ministries have 104 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: been doing some good work over time, and that maybe 105 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: we don't understand everything that they're achieved because we're not 106 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 3: following all of their outcomes with a fine tooth cone, 107 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 3: maybe you would say that a way that was a 108 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: little more fiscally prudent, that's still kind of ensured the 109 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: core functionality of some of these ministries would be to 110 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: consolidate them. Then it sounds to me like that's what 111 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 3: the commissions. 112 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: Well Jack, with that sentence, you should go work in 113 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: the public service. 114 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: I'll take all my learning from the show. 115 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: Here, shut up. I did not write that promo and 116 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: they made me say that out loud on here, Hay 117 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: was Liam was the prime minister. Now it's not even 118 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister was cringey, wasn't he when he invited 119 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Taita and trav to come here? 120 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it's kind of beneath that the 121 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: office of the Prome Minister to do that. 122 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: But do this Liam, and. 123 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: In fairness, I also felt the same way about a 124 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: little of that John Key did, and he was he 125 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: was a great one set So I think, you know, 126 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: if John if John Key has use of Leaction's heroes, 127 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: and I guess it kind of makes sense that he's 128 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: doing it, it will never be as cringy as John 129 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: Kie going on David Lenniman, I don't have to say, 130 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: but it's you know, like it's it's not good for 131 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: the self esteem of the country for the Prime Minister 132 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: to say that and be ignored, you know, like it 133 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: makes us look quite desperate, I think, but you know whatever, 134 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: that's just me. Maybe other people aren't so curmudgeonally. Maybe 135 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: you doubt it. 136 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 3: I just know that I'm going to have Wayne Brown 137 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: on the phone to me immediately after this if I 138 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: don't use this as an opportunity to challenge the Prime 139 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 3: Minister on a bid night text, which of course Wayne 140 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: Brown would say would be absolutely necessary if we ever 141 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: want to have Tailor's worth performing in our biggest city. 142 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: So there you go. Maybe maybe if the Prime Minister 143 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 3: really wants to see Kata and Travis here, you need 144 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: to make the policy change. 145 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: I like that you shoehorned it in there for your mate, Wayne, 146 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: but at least you did you did declare your conflict there, 147 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: so I appreciate it. 148 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: Jack. 149 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: Do you go full fat or skinny? 150 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: Full fat and and full sugars food? Well, my Athos's 151 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 3: food is like you don't get something for nothing sugar? 152 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: You mean, like, I see what you mean. You don't 153 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: go there take sugar stuff? 154 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be having any of 155 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: the high fruit toes, worn turp or any of that stuff. No, no, no, 156 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: but absolutely full fat. 157 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: With you, Liam. 158 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm of the same mind, you know, like it's 159 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: are you're going to indulge, indulge you know, like it's. 160 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: No, it's good for Liam, It's good for you. Your 161 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: body needs the fat. 162 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well there we go it Now I felt 163 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: even better about it, right, you know, like, so there 164 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: we go, there's no downside. Then it tastes and it 165 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: is better for you. 166 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: But did you always know this, though, Liam, when they 167 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: were telling you to drink the green stuff, you always 168 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: knew it was just watered down full fat. 169 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. And I'm a farm kid, and 170 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: so you know, like I said, it was always to me, 171 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: it was always, you know, the less process, the better. 172 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: But that's the thing is, even if whether it's good 173 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: for you or not, it's irrelevant to me. It's such 174 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: a marginal thing that you know, if you're going to 175 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: do something, do it equipment. 176 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: Can we agree, though, Jack, Because like people hate on 177 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: the Trump administration so much that if there is one 178 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: good thing that they are doing is that they're actually 179 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: restoring some common sense to the way that we eat. 180 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's a lot to be said for 181 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: our Bobby Kennedy and some of some of his policies. 182 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: I mean, some of the stuff that he's eaten over 183 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: the years is a little bit weird. But yeah, I 184 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: think when it comes to having less processed food that 185 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: can only be a good thing, especially when you look 186 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: at some of the health outcomes in the US and 187 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: the life expectancy can be even a couple of decades ago. Yeah, absolutely, 188 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I absolutely support some of those notes. 189 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: Brilliant stuff. Guys, you go and have a lovely evening. 190 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: The pair of you, Jack, Tame and Liam here are 191 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: huddle this evening. 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