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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News Talk Seat by Squeaky Door.

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Speaker 2: Or Squeaky Floor.

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcamp, the Resident Builder

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Speaker 1: on news Talk Sead Bay.

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Speaker 3: The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 3: grass is overgrown in the yard, even when the dog

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Speaker 3: is too old to barn, And when you're sitting at

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Speaker 3: the table trying not to start house scissor.

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Speaker 4: Hole, even when we've a ban, even when you're the

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Speaker 4: house sizz a home.

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Speaker 3: Even when there's ghost even when you go around from

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Speaker 3: the ones you.

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Speaker 4: Love your more.

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Speaker 3: Scream does broken pans Being in front of the locals

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Speaker 3: Westball when they're gone leaving never has, even.

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Speaker 4: When Wilbaan, even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 2: And a very very good morning and welcome along to

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Speaker 2: the Resident Builder on Sunday. My name is Peter wolf Camp,

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Speaker 2: the Resident Builder, and this is an opportunity to talk

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Speaker 2: all things building and construction. And by when I say

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Speaker 2: all things, I really do mean all things. It's the

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Speaker 2: rules and the regulation, it's the planning and the preparation.

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Speaker 2: It's about the contractor selection. Who do you get to

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Speaker 2: come and do the work. At your place. If you're

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Speaker 2: going to be contracting someone, do you know when you

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Speaker 2: need to get a contractor and when you could do

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Speaker 2: it yourself. And if you are going to do it yourself,

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Speaker 2: what sort of gear do you need? What type of

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Speaker 2: materials do you need? I was going to say in there,

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Speaker 2: I was going to toss into there, how much time

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Speaker 2: do you need? Because I have this theory that I

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Speaker 2: think an enormous amount of the frustration that we might

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Speaker 2: get from doing jobs ourselves and sort of getting stressed

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Speaker 2: out about it is that we don't allow ourselves the

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Speaker 2: time that we're often unrealistic about. Well, look, it'll take

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Speaker 2: me a couple of hours, it'll take me a couple

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Speaker 2: of days, and you kind of know in your hard

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Speaker 2: hearts that in fact, it's going to take more than that.

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Speaker 2: And so if you give yourself the right amount of time,

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Speaker 2: you won't get as stressed out. I think you certainly

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Speaker 2: won't get as sort of frustrated with the process. It

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Speaker 2: was funny yesterday, just by the bye I was I

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Speaker 2: had one job that I needed to do yesterday which

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to do, and it was kind of

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Speaker 2: fixing a mistake I'd pulled all these ballusters off, and

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Speaker 2: I wanted to seal the ends. I'm rebuilding a veranda,

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Speaker 2: so I wanted to seal the end. So I had

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Speaker 2: couple of hours soak this timber preservative up into the

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Speaker 2: then I would flip them over and then I would

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Speaker 2: soak the other end. And I thought, well, before I

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Speaker 2: start reassembling the veranda handrail, I'll do this to seal

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Speaker 2: the ends. And it was so I did it. I

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Speaker 2: got a whole bunch of them, stuck them in a bucket.

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Speaker 2: Once I figured it had sucked up enough timber preservative,

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Speaker 2: I've flipped them over. But in doing that in the

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Speaker 2: initial stages, there was quite a lot of product on there.

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Speaker 2: So I flipped them over and all the product ran

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Speaker 2: down the ballister. So now I've got this sticky timber

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Speaker 2: and certainly before I can reassemble it. Anyway, I'd sat

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Speaker 2: to sand all the edges. Sanding round ballasters is not

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Speaker 2: the most pleasant job in the world. I thought about

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Speaker 2: setting up like a little lathe type arrangement. I'm building

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Speaker 2: So if you need to get stuff done and you

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Speaker 2: that on the program this morning. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: bee from your mobile phone. And if you'd like to

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Speaker 2: email me, I remember my password it is. I was

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Speaker 2: but my email is Pete Atnewstalk sb dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 2: So I trust that you're well. I trust that if

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Speaker 2: you've been doing some projects they've been going okay. If

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Speaker 2: I do want to talk about that fire that happened

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Speaker 2: on Friday nights. So if you had a look at

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Speaker 2: if you're on the north shore of Auckland, you may

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Speaker 2: have seen it. This was a what became a very

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Speaker 2: large fire at the Abilities Recycling center on Hillside Road

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Speaker 2: on the north Shore in Wiral Park area. And it

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Speaker 2: fire under control. The building is completely destroyed, seemingly, but

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Speaker 2: more importantly, the lives of the people that work there

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Speaker 2: is going to be significantly disrupted as well. As a

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Speaker 2: They for many years have done an outstanding job with recycling.

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Speaker 2: I guess the sort of stuff that other centers and

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Speaker 2: other groups might not be that interested in recycling. So

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Speaker 2: over the years I've dropped off lots of polystyrene there.

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Speaker 2: I've certainly dropped off lots of cardboard. I've dropped off

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Speaker 2: lots of old electronics, you know, an old laptop or

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Speaker 2: that side of things. But more importantly, the Abilities Group

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Speaker 2: have always provided employment and activity for people who would

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Speaker 2: They did an exceptional job working with people and giving

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Speaker 2: meaning to people's lives. So hopefully they can be up

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Speaker 2: do want to see them up and running. I'll talk

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Speaker 2: a little bit more about it later on the show.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

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Speaker 2: lots to talk about lots. We can chat about if

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Speaker 2: So eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call,

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Speaker 2: and a bit of a heads up too, next weekend

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Speaker 2: on the program, So next Sunday, No, not next Sunday,

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Speaker 2: the Sunday after the Minister for Building in Construction, Minister

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Speaker 2: Chris Pink, will be in the studio with us, So

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Speaker 2: not next Sunday, but the following Sunday. Really looking forward

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Speaker 2: Chris Pink about a whole lot of things. And certainly

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Speaker 2: there's been a whole lot of announcements around self certification,

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Speaker 2: around remote inspections, around the role of BCA's, around the

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Speaker 2: potential that we could build up to seventy square meters

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Speaker 2: without necessarily requiring a building consent, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Lots to unpack. So the Minister's coming into the studio

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Speaker 2: and part of that will be an opportunity for you

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Speaker 2: to ask questions as well. So looking forward to that,

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Speaker 2: but that's not for another two weeks because right now

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Speaker 2: it's your opportunity. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty call

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Speaker 2: us now, we've got plenty of time. We've got Bryce

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Speaker 2: on the show as well. Bryce is our painting expert.

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Speaker 2: He'll be joining us at around seven thirty this morning,

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Speaker 2: and of course, as always we'll be in the garden

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Speaker 2: with th read climb passed from eight point thirty this morning.

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Speaker 2: Lines are open. Call us now, OH eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: For helping you get those DIY projects done right. The

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Speaker 1: resident fielder with Peter WOLFCAF call oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: It's aimed particularly at you. If you've been a bit

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Speaker 2: If you know that you're struggling to hear the TV

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Speaker 2: good people at Resonate. And if you really do need

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Speaker 2: opportunity or that's what I'm telling myself anyway, that if

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Speaker 2: and I've got two or three of those on the

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Speaker 2: go right now, it's don't give up. There's still time

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Speaker 2: settle into winter. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number

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Speaker 2: to call twenty after six. Hello, Albi, good, good morning.

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Speaker 5: I need to keep it. Yeah. My question to you,

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Speaker 5: like or put any bee I like? When ye?

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Speaker 2: No, basically and then sorry it's the call is very faint,

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Speaker 2: but so I might get you to speak up as well.

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Speaker 2: So essentially what you're saying is you're in a house.

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Speaker 2: Obviously it's head smoothquake damage. Have the repairs being completed?

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Speaker 2: No repairs done at all? Okay, there was.

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Speaker 5: There's a good quite well, just because.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit challenging to hear. Look, i'd give

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Speaker 2: this advice one is I mean, look, it's it's kind

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Speaker 2: of sad or disappointing to hear that there's still remedia

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Speaker 7: Good day better. I always loved, loved thinking about the

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Speaker 2: I know where I live there's a very active group.

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Speaker 2: They'll be doing weed clearing and preparation this afternoon, right

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Speaker 2: It's your public space that's being looked after and restored

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Speaker 2: thank you us talking with you. Thanks Jerry, all the best.

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Speaker 2: Bye by then. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I'm

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Speaker 2: The lines are open the number eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 8: Good morning, how are you very well?

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Speaker 9: For if you put a a granny type flat on

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Speaker 2: That's a very good question to the answer is, we

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Speaker 2: So for example, on the granny flat, it's single story,

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Speaker 2: And in the same way, I think that if you

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Speaker 2: And yours is a really good one. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that sort of thing should be consented because

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Speaker 2: all the best bother. Then sounds like that sort of

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Speaker 6: Wait.

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Speaker 2: And that's a little bit how the legislation will go

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Speaker 2: You can't right now. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty number

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Speaker 2: twice God was but maybe called Pete first. Peter Walk

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Speaker 2: The Resident Builder News talk said, be right, oh my turn,

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 11: Yes, and we're going to put a wise or more

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Speaker 11: but you know better. Yes, Now we're going to hook

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Speaker 11: is it can we just do that without a permit?

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Speaker 2: Well, well you need to move them slightly, won't you,

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Speaker 2: because this is something that, to be fair, I find

432
00:25:37,895 --> 00:25:40,535
Speaker 2: the legislations a little bit murky on this, and I've

433
00:25:40,575 --> 00:25:46,175
Speaker 2: had any number of discussions, so essentially, to me, no, no, no, no, no,

434
00:25:46,175 --> 00:25:48,975
Speaker 2: it doesn't Actually in this instance, I'm pretty confident about

435
00:25:49,015 --> 00:25:53,575
Speaker 2: what I'm saying and how the legislations interpreted. So what

436
00:25:53,935 --> 00:25:56,935
Speaker 2: makes your projects slightly different to others is the fact

437
00:25:56,975 --> 00:26:00,295
Speaker 2: that you've got what I would call a pre formed shower, right,

438
00:26:00,655 --> 00:26:03,335
Speaker 2: So it's a kit set shower. It's got the tray,

439
00:26:03,815 --> 00:26:05,855
Speaker 2: it's got the wall lining, and it's got the doors

440
00:26:05,895 --> 00:26:10,135
Speaker 2: in it. Because you're not adding the number of sanitary

441
00:26:10,135 --> 00:26:13,535
Speaker 2: fittings to the bathroom, which would typically trigger a requirement

442
00:26:13,575 --> 00:26:16,295
Speaker 2: for a building consent. So where you had a bath

443
00:26:16,415 --> 00:26:19,375
Speaker 2: and a shower, you've now got basically just a shower,

444
00:26:19,495 --> 00:26:23,215
Speaker 2: so you're not adding it, you're not removing any walls

445
00:26:23,295 --> 00:26:26,215
Speaker 2: or anything like that. Essentially everything's in the same space.

446
00:26:27,095 --> 00:26:29,935
Speaker 2: You can do that work under Schedule one of the

447
00:26:29,975 --> 00:26:33,215
Speaker 2: Building Act. It needs to be done in accordance with

448
00:26:33,255 --> 00:26:35,535
Speaker 2: the Building Code, so you need to have a registered

449
00:26:35,575 --> 00:26:39,335
Speaker 2: plumber do the pipework and so on. But yeah, you can.

450
00:26:39,535 --> 00:26:40,175
Speaker 2: You can do that.

451
00:26:41,575 --> 00:26:44,695
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what I thought. So but when I said no,

452
00:26:44,735 --> 00:26:46,855
Speaker 10: where you're told you, I said, that sounds like a no,

453
00:26:47,015 --> 00:26:47,895
Speaker 10: I mean no permit.

454
00:26:48,415 --> 00:26:55,095
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So you know where people typically get tripped

455
00:26:55,175 --> 00:26:58,375
Speaker 2: up is that you know you've got a situation like that,

456
00:26:58,455 --> 00:27:00,535
Speaker 2: you pull it out and you do a tile shower,

457
00:27:01,775 --> 00:27:05,815
Speaker 2: and tile showers because of the waterproofing, and because the

458
00:27:05,815 --> 00:27:10,695
Speaker 2: waterproofing is bespoke typically for the tile shower, that often

459
00:27:10,735 --> 00:27:13,335
Speaker 2: triggers a requirement for a building consent because we want

460
00:27:13,375 --> 00:27:16,415
Speaker 2: to know how the waterproofing was done, by whom, what

461
00:27:16,575 --> 00:27:19,495
Speaker 2: products we used, et cetera. But then it gets a

462
00:27:19,535 --> 00:27:22,575
Speaker 2: little bit murky because if it's a level entry or

463
00:27:22,615 --> 00:27:25,855
Speaker 2: if it's got a hob or an upstand around it,

464
00:27:25,855 --> 00:27:30,695
Speaker 2: it seems there's different requirements for those two things. But

465
00:27:31,895 --> 00:27:35,175
Speaker 2: I raise it because it's it still confuses me and

466
00:27:35,255 --> 00:27:39,415
Speaker 2: I've had I've had endless discussions with people about it.

467
00:27:39,975 --> 00:27:42,575
Speaker 2: In fact, next time I see the old Jeff Barrenson

468
00:27:42,615 --> 00:27:45,655
Speaker 2: who's the chief Building Inspector for Auckland Council, I must

469
00:27:45,855 --> 00:27:49,175
Speaker 2: just go, what's the rule? Please? So I'll put that

470
00:27:49,255 --> 00:27:50,255
Speaker 2: on my list of things to do.

471
00:27:51,175 --> 00:27:53,055
Speaker 10: Yeah, in my mind, if you want to have problems

472
00:27:53,055 --> 00:27:57,895
Speaker 10: with the share it, And isn't it.

473
00:27:57,375 --> 00:27:59,055
Speaker 2: In a sense, isn't it kind of sad that we've

474
00:27:59,095 --> 00:28:02,935
Speaker 2: got to that point because I'm thinking back to my

475
00:28:02,975 --> 00:28:06,655
Speaker 2: own place, right which we renovated the bathroom crikey, probably

476
00:28:06,655 --> 00:28:10,055
Speaker 2: more than twenty years ago, put in a tile shower.

477
00:28:10,215 --> 00:28:12,055
Speaker 2: Do I have a problem with it? No, I don't,

478
00:28:13,895 --> 00:28:16,535
Speaker 2: you know, well not to the best of my knowledge.

479
00:28:16,575 --> 00:28:18,335
Speaker 2: And I've been underneath the floor to have a look,

480
00:28:18,335 --> 00:28:19,975
Speaker 2: and I've had a look at the walls around the

481
00:28:20,015 --> 00:28:23,255
Speaker 2: shower enclosure. I can't see any evidence that it's leaking

482
00:28:23,375 --> 00:28:26,215
Speaker 2: or anything like that. So, you know, I think the

483
00:28:26,335 --> 00:28:30,055
Speaker 2: vast majority of showers can be done properly. In fact,

484
00:28:30,575 --> 00:28:33,055
Speaker 2: they all should be able to be done properly. And

485
00:28:33,135 --> 00:28:36,255
Speaker 2: typically when there has been a failure, it's been quite

486
00:28:36,495 --> 00:28:40,655
Speaker 2: clear that, you know, the person who's done the work

487
00:28:40,935 --> 00:28:45,935
Speaker 2: just really they've either been lazy or they've been deliberately

488
00:28:46,735 --> 00:28:50,695
Speaker 2: negligent or something like that. You know, Yeah, well, yeah,

489
00:28:51,135 --> 00:28:57,375
Speaker 2: it's probably more just lack of knowledge. Yeah, buddy, good

490
00:28:57,455 --> 00:29:00,895
Speaker 2: luck for that project. Take care, see buddy, righty, Oh,

491
00:29:00,935 --> 00:29:02,575
Speaker 2: so that was nice, simple what oh eight hundred and

492
00:29:02,655 --> 00:29:04,775
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I mean,

493
00:29:04,815 --> 00:29:10,375
Speaker 2: there is actually a reason noble amount of work that

494
00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:15,255
Speaker 2: you can do without necessarily requiring a building consent. You know,

495
00:29:15,295 --> 00:29:20,695
Speaker 2: it's a reasonable amount, but work that is critical, work

496
00:29:20,695 --> 00:29:24,455
Speaker 2: that is high risk, work that involves weather tighteners, structural stability,

497
00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:29,215
Speaker 2: water proofing, these sorts of things still typically trigger the

498
00:29:29,255 --> 00:29:32,335
Speaker 2: requirement for a building consent. I do wish, and I've

499
00:29:32,375 --> 00:29:34,215
Speaker 2: mentioned this number of times on the show. I do

500
00:29:34,295 --> 00:29:37,655
Speaker 2: wish that government when they made recent changes to schedule

501
00:29:37,655 --> 00:29:40,135
Speaker 2: one of the Building Act extending the type of work

502
00:29:40,175 --> 00:29:44,535
Speaker 2: that you could do without requiring consent, added into that

503
00:29:45,255 --> 00:29:49,055
Speaker 2: the or took out of that, let's say, the requirement

504
00:29:49,055 --> 00:29:53,935
Speaker 2: to get a building consent for retrospectively fitting insulation to

505
00:29:54,095 --> 00:29:59,255
Speaker 2: existing exterior walls, given that there's still a desperate need

506
00:29:59,575 --> 00:30:05,495
Speaker 2: to do that type of work. Less and less seemingly

507
00:30:05,535 --> 00:30:09,055
Speaker 2: every week, the number of completely uninsulated houses in New

508
00:30:09,135 --> 00:30:14,055
Speaker 2: Zealand is actually dropping at a reasonable rate, but it's

509
00:30:14,055 --> 00:30:16,575
Speaker 2: still something that you know, most people want to have

510
00:30:16,615 --> 00:30:20,375
Speaker 2: a go at. It's work that's really really important. But technically,

511
00:30:20,535 --> 00:30:22,775
Speaker 2: right now, if you decide to pull off some interior

512
00:30:22,935 --> 00:30:26,975
Speaker 2: lining and add insulation to that room. Example I always

513
00:30:27,015 --> 00:30:29,855
Speaker 2: use as you know, maybe you bought a house, you're

514
00:30:29,975 --> 00:30:32,655
Speaker 2: starting a family. You decide that you want to make

515
00:30:32,735 --> 00:30:34,975
Speaker 2: babies room nice and warm, so you pull the wall

516
00:30:34,975 --> 00:30:37,615
Speaker 2: lining off before baby arrives and put some insulation. And

517
00:30:37,735 --> 00:30:40,935
Speaker 2: if you do that without a consent, technically you've breached

518
00:30:40,935 --> 00:30:44,455
Speaker 2: the Building Act. So is that sort of work something

519
00:30:44,495 --> 00:30:46,735
Speaker 2: that could be done and signed off by an LBP?

520
00:30:47,095 --> 00:30:49,655
Speaker 2: I think it could be anyway, Oh, eight, one hundred

521
00:30:49,655 --> 00:30:52,535
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number call quick text

522
00:30:52,535 --> 00:30:54,855
Speaker 2: before the break or two? Actually, how hard is it

523
00:30:54,855 --> 00:30:57,135
Speaker 2: to get final CCC signed off on a house that

524
00:30:57,215 --> 00:31:01,975
Speaker 2: was built five years ago that you buy? Okay, So

525
00:31:02,135 --> 00:31:07,855
Speaker 2: it sounds like, look, if something who's built five years

526
00:31:07,855 --> 00:31:12,135
Speaker 2: ago and they didn't get a CCC, it's foolish on

527
00:31:12,215 --> 00:31:16,055
Speaker 2: the part of the person who did the work. We've

528
00:31:16,095 --> 00:31:18,295
Speaker 2: known for a long time that you need to get

529
00:31:18,295 --> 00:31:23,215
Speaker 2: that done within a relatively short period of time, and

530
00:31:23,255 --> 00:31:26,055
Speaker 2: it just gets harder and harder to do. It will

531
00:31:26,095 --> 00:31:32,175
Speaker 2: require a reinspection, it will require an enormous amount of

532
00:31:32,575 --> 00:31:35,575
Speaker 2: paperwork that you have to go and find after five years.

533
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:41,655
Speaker 2: So theoretically it's possible, but I wouldn't underestimate the amount

534
00:31:41,735 --> 00:31:45,415
Speaker 2: of work in the time, and then the possibility that

535
00:31:45,455 --> 00:31:48,375
Speaker 2: there'll be something missing which you'll need to get, you know,

536
00:31:48,415 --> 00:31:51,695
Speaker 2: like a registered building surveyor to come and do some

537
00:31:51,855 --> 00:31:55,575
Speaker 2: work on the property, or to assess the property and

538
00:31:55,655 --> 00:32:00,495
Speaker 2: then determine whether or not it's code compliant. Don't underestimate

539
00:32:00,655 --> 00:32:03,495
Speaker 2: the amount of work that's involved in doing that, And

540
00:32:05,095 --> 00:32:08,135
Speaker 2: certainly I wouldn't listen to anyone who says I'll be easy,

541
00:32:08,455 --> 00:32:11,935
Speaker 2: because my experience never is oh, eight hundred eighty ten

542
00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:15,455
Speaker 2: eighty then to call Also, hey, Pete, our house has

543
00:32:15,495 --> 00:32:18,975
Speaker 2: the old color steel class FEE facia, which is a

544
00:32:19,095 --> 00:32:23,415
Speaker 2: concealed metal spouting on the inside. The spoutings rusting out

545
00:32:23,455 --> 00:32:26,135
Speaker 2: the rain water is flowing across the safet lining and

546
00:32:26,335 --> 00:32:29,695
Speaker 2: down the walls. How can we replace this old with

547
00:32:29,975 --> 00:32:32,815
Speaker 2: maybe a new color steel facia and spouting new spouting

548
00:32:32,815 --> 00:32:35,215
Speaker 2: to be fixed on the outside of the facia. Would

549
00:32:35,295 --> 00:32:38,415
Speaker 2: this be a notifiable project? No, I don't believe it

550
00:32:38,495 --> 00:32:41,695
Speaker 2: is a notifiable project, and I think we mentioned it

551
00:32:42,215 --> 00:32:44,535
Speaker 2: last week on the show. There's a couple of companies

552
00:32:44,575 --> 00:32:46,895
Speaker 2: that I'm aware of. There may well be more of them,

553
00:32:46,935 --> 00:32:50,175
Speaker 2: but the two that I do know is custom facier

554
00:32:50,175 --> 00:32:54,975
Speaker 2: and spouting. They've got a system that they've developed which

555
00:32:55,015 --> 00:33:00,735
Speaker 2: allows them to swap out essentially your concealed guttering and

556
00:33:01,015 --> 00:33:04,175
Speaker 2: expose facia with a system where the facia is on

557
00:33:04,215 --> 00:33:06,695
Speaker 2: the inside the spouting is on the outside. And I

558
00:33:06,775 --> 00:33:10,495
Speaker 2: know Continuous Group have also developed system for doing these

559
00:33:10,535 --> 00:33:14,895
Speaker 2: sorts of retrofits. And no, I don't think they require

560
00:33:15,135 --> 00:33:20,415
Speaker 2: doesn't require a building consent. The only thing that you'd

561
00:33:20,455 --> 00:33:21,815
Speaker 2: want to look at. And I was looking at a

562
00:33:21,815 --> 00:33:24,415
Speaker 2: property the other day where which is an older one

563
00:33:25,415 --> 00:33:28,175
Speaker 2: where maybe it complied at the time, but the number

564
00:33:28,215 --> 00:33:35,495
Speaker 2: of downpipes wouldn't meet the current requirements. So possibly one

565
00:33:35,495 --> 00:33:38,455
Speaker 2: of the issues you'll find is there's not this insufficient

566
00:33:39,535 --> 00:33:42,335
Speaker 2: number of downpipes. So maybe you need to add a downpipe,

567
00:33:42,415 --> 00:33:45,575
Speaker 2: or maybe you want to add a downpipe. Oh, eight

568
00:33:45,735 --> 00:33:48,575
Speaker 2: hundred eighty is the number to call quick text as well,

569
00:33:48,655 --> 00:33:51,015
Speaker 2: Morning Pete on the showers. Yes, you're correct. It's always

570
00:33:51,015 --> 00:33:54,735
Speaker 2: good to know. You only need to consent if it added,

571
00:33:55,095 --> 00:33:58,415
Speaker 2: deuse waterproofing or cutting joys or concrete to make a

572
00:33:58,495 --> 00:34:05,375
Speaker 2: level entry. That's from Craig. Thanks Craig. Yeah, so they're

573
00:34:05,415 --> 00:34:09,815
Speaker 2: not adding the issue with level entry showers typically is

574
00:34:09,815 --> 00:34:12,255
Speaker 2: that in order to create a level entry, you've got

575
00:34:12,295 --> 00:34:15,095
Speaker 2: to cut the floor joist down, which is obviously a

576
00:34:15,095 --> 00:34:17,335
Speaker 2: structural issue. So if you've got a one to fifty

577
00:34:17,335 --> 00:34:19,615
Speaker 2: floor joist and you're chopping thirty mili out of the

578
00:34:19,655 --> 00:34:23,815
Speaker 2: top of it, it's no longer a one fifty floor joist,

579
00:34:25,655 --> 00:34:28,255
Speaker 2: it's less and that might impact on the structural stability

580
00:34:28,295 --> 00:34:29,975
Speaker 2: of the house and so on. So do you go

581
00:34:30,055 --> 00:34:34,255
Speaker 2: underneath and do bracing and add an additional bearer for example,

582
00:34:34,335 --> 00:34:36,535
Speaker 2: so the span of the joist is less. Yes, you

583
00:34:36,575 --> 00:34:39,615
Speaker 2: can do that, but then you know who decides that

584
00:34:39,615 --> 00:34:43,575
Speaker 2: that's the appropriate amount of engineering the bearing capacity, et cetera,

585
00:34:43,615 --> 00:34:46,815
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. I went and did this is classic.

586
00:34:46,815 --> 00:34:48,175
Speaker 2: The other day I went and had a look at

587
00:34:48,175 --> 00:34:51,895
Speaker 2: a property and it had a tile shower in it,

588
00:34:52,255 --> 00:34:54,975
Speaker 2: which I don't think had a building consent. It had

589
00:34:55,015 --> 00:34:58,175
Speaker 2: been done some time ago, and just out of curiosity,

590
00:34:58,295 --> 00:35:02,015
Speaker 2: I said, look, I'll come back with an old pair

591
00:35:02,055 --> 00:35:04,015
Speaker 2: of overalls, because it's quite a way to crawl in

592
00:35:04,135 --> 00:35:06,175
Speaker 2: underneath and have a look whether I can see any

593
00:35:06,295 --> 00:35:11,415
Speaker 2: evidence of leaking directly underneath this tiled and waterproof shower tray,

594
00:35:12,495 --> 00:35:15,375
Speaker 2: and so got an old pair of overalls, got my torch,

595
00:35:15,855 --> 00:35:19,535
Speaker 2: climbed in underneath there had a fossic around. Couldn't see

596
00:35:19,935 --> 00:35:25,135
Speaker 2: any evidence of any water egress as posed ingress, the

597
00:35:25,135 --> 00:35:27,495
Speaker 2: water getting out, soaking through the flooring and so on.

598
00:35:27,935 --> 00:35:32,855
Speaker 2: But what I did find quite alarmingly is the plumber.

599
00:35:33,055 --> 00:35:36,215
Speaker 2: God blessed plumbers. We all love plumbers. But the old plumber,

600
00:35:36,295 --> 00:35:39,855
Speaker 2: in order to get the wastin, had drilled through the

601
00:35:39,975 --> 00:35:43,455
Speaker 2: joist like from top to bottom with a whole saw.

602
00:35:44,295 --> 00:35:47,095
Speaker 2: And if there was a millimeter left of the joist

603
00:35:47,255 --> 00:35:50,335
Speaker 2: that would be generous. It was hanging on by fibers,

604
00:35:50,855 --> 00:35:52,855
Speaker 2: so that just drilled. They just went, this is where

605
00:35:52,895 --> 00:35:55,455
Speaker 2: the waste is going. I'm just going to drill straight

606
00:35:55,495 --> 00:35:57,855
Speaker 2: down with a big old one hundred and something mill

607
00:35:58,335 --> 00:36:04,135
Speaker 2: whole saw and just chopped straight through the joist, straight through,

608
00:36:04,695 --> 00:36:09,775
Speaker 2: like perfect half circle, right through it. And obviously no

609
00:36:09,815 --> 00:36:12,575
Speaker 2: one had been under there to go, hm, that's not

610
00:36:12,775 --> 00:36:15,935
Speaker 2: very good. Maybe we should add, you know, we've got

611
00:36:15,935 --> 00:36:20,175
Speaker 2: to nog it out or flitch another choice next to

612
00:36:20,255 --> 00:36:22,015
Speaker 2: it or something like that. It's just cut straight through it.

613
00:36:22,055 --> 00:36:24,775
Speaker 2: So I've got like on my phone this Rogu's gallery

614
00:36:24,935 --> 00:36:27,735
Speaker 2: of pictures like this, and that's the classic plumber, just

615
00:36:27,815 --> 00:36:30,015
Speaker 2: straight through the joist. I love you plumbers, don't worry

616
00:36:30,055 --> 00:36:34,055
Speaker 2: about that, but what you do to my timber, it's

617
00:36:34,095 --> 00:36:36,015
Speaker 2: hard to live with. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

618
00:36:36,055 --> 00:36:37,055
Speaker 2: eighty back in a mow.

619
00:36:37,615 --> 00:36:40,215
Speaker 1: Doing other house storting the garden asked Pete for a

620
00:36:40,295 --> 00:36:45,415
Speaker 1: hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call eight US

621
00:36:45,455 --> 00:36:47,415
Speaker 1: Talks V you and News talks.

622
00:36:47,455 --> 00:36:47,615
Speaker 10: Heb.

623
00:36:47,695 --> 00:36:49,815
Speaker 2: We're still at time for your calls prior to the news.

624
00:36:49,855 --> 00:36:53,135
Speaker 2: Remember too, in the next hour we've got Bryce McDermott,

625
00:36:53,175 --> 00:36:57,055
Speaker 2: our painting expert from Razine, is going to be available

626
00:36:57,175 --> 00:37:00,335
Speaker 2: and he'll be on air at around seven thirty. So

627
00:37:00,375 --> 00:37:04,415
Speaker 2: if you've got any specific painting questions, text them through

628
00:37:04,455 --> 00:37:08,655
Speaker 2: to nine to nine two d BZB and we'll will

629
00:37:08,695 --> 00:37:12,135
Speaker 2: put those to Bryce. So any painting questions that you

630
00:37:12,215 --> 00:37:16,015
Speaker 2: might have, text it now through to nine to nine

631
00:37:16,135 --> 00:37:18,935
Speaker 2: two or said BZB and we'll put those to Bryce.

632
00:37:18,975 --> 00:37:22,135
Speaker 2: At seven thirty you can call eight hundred and eighty

633
00:37:22,135 --> 00:37:23,895
Speaker 2: ten eighty. You'll still got time for a call before

634
00:37:23,895 --> 00:37:27,215
Speaker 2: the news top of the hour at seven o'clock, and remember,

635
00:37:27,255 --> 00:37:30,215
Speaker 2: of course, as always after eight point thirty this morning,

636
00:37:30,415 --> 00:37:33,975
Speaker 2: the reclined past will be with us as well. This

637
00:37:34,135 --> 00:37:36,215
Speaker 2: is a great text. I have to say, Hey, Pete,

638
00:37:36,295 --> 00:37:40,815
Speaker 2: can you put new cladding over existing cladding without a consent?

639
00:37:41,335 --> 00:37:45,495
Speaker 2: For example, ply and batten on a fifty x fifty

640
00:37:45,575 --> 00:37:56,095
Speaker 2: cavity batten over existing weatherboards. Matt, My inclination is to say,

641
00:37:56,175 --> 00:37:59,855
Speaker 2: I think you probably can, and I guess I'm working

642
00:37:59,855 --> 00:38:02,295
Speaker 2: from the point of view of what would stop you

643
00:38:02,495 --> 00:38:06,815
Speaker 2: doing that? So you're not removing the existing CLI, in

644
00:38:06,855 --> 00:38:10,695
Speaker 2: which case you're leaving all of the weather tightness elements

645
00:38:10,735 --> 00:38:16,015
Speaker 2: in place. If there's existing weather boats, they'll have scribers,

646
00:38:16,055 --> 00:38:19,415
Speaker 2: they'll have facings, they'll have head flashings, those sorts of things.

647
00:38:20,375 --> 00:38:23,495
Speaker 2: And while you're penetrating that with your fixings for the

648
00:38:23,535 --> 00:38:27,295
Speaker 2: cavity battens, there's nothing in the rules that say you

649
00:38:27,335 --> 00:38:31,615
Speaker 2: can't fix something through a baton. Otherwise you need to

650
00:38:31,615 --> 00:38:34,015
Speaker 2: be able to hang a clothesline, for example, without getting

651
00:38:34,015 --> 00:38:39,615
Speaker 2: a building consent, And so effectively, your exterior cladding is

652
00:38:39,895 --> 00:38:45,975
Speaker 2: just a rain shield because your weather tightness remains intact,

653
00:38:46,295 --> 00:38:48,735
Speaker 2: because the building's already weather tight because it's got weather boards.

654
00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:55,015
Speaker 2: Saying that if somebody was to come and look at

655
00:38:55,055 --> 00:38:57,975
Speaker 2: the property when it comes up for sale, as inevitably

656
00:38:58,015 --> 00:39:02,815
Speaker 2: houses do. Would they be curious about, Hey, did you

657
00:39:02,855 --> 00:39:04,615
Speaker 2: get a building consent for this work? And if you

658
00:39:04,655 --> 00:39:06,895
Speaker 2: didn't get a building consent, how do I know that

659
00:39:06,935 --> 00:39:09,535
Speaker 2: it's been well done, that there hasn't been some other

660
00:39:10,015 --> 00:39:14,815
Speaker 2: inadvertent changes in terms of whether tightness or the performance

661
00:39:14,815 --> 00:39:18,815
Speaker 2: of the building. So that's good reason to get a

662
00:39:18,815 --> 00:39:21,815
Speaker 2: building consent, or a very good reason to at least

663
00:39:21,895 --> 00:39:26,215
Speaker 2: document very well what processes you used, and how you

664
00:39:26,735 --> 00:39:29,975
Speaker 2: and how you did detail around windows and openings and

665
00:39:30,015 --> 00:39:33,655
Speaker 2: those sorts of things. It also gets me thinking about

666
00:39:34,615 --> 00:39:37,335
Speaker 2: a sort of a growing movement. Let's say there's some

667
00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:41,895
Speaker 2: new ideas developing around retrofitting insulation to existing buildings, which

668
00:39:41,935 --> 00:39:45,095
Speaker 2: typically we've done. We've said, okay, well, either we've got

669
00:39:45,095 --> 00:39:49,135
Speaker 2: this existing exterior wall frame, it's got no insulation. Somehow

670
00:39:49,135 --> 00:39:52,135
Speaker 2: we've got to put insulation where it typically goes, i e.

671
00:39:52,295 --> 00:39:56,055
Speaker 2: Inside the walls. But increasingly there's a group of people

672
00:39:56,095 --> 00:39:58,055
Speaker 2: looking at well, why don't we just leave the building

673
00:39:58,215 --> 00:40:01,935
Speaker 2: as it is, including leaving the cladding on potentially and

674
00:40:02,015 --> 00:40:08,335
Speaker 2: putting outsolation, doing a thermally efficient insulation around the existing

675
00:40:08,415 --> 00:40:12,455
Speaker 2: perimeter and then putting a new sheathing or new cladding

676
00:40:12,575 --> 00:40:14,895
Speaker 2: over the top of that. So rather than go through

677
00:40:14,935 --> 00:40:18,175
Speaker 2: the disruption either from the inside or the outside of

678
00:40:18,415 --> 00:40:21,175
Speaker 2: pulling walls apart. So if you're on the inside, you

679
00:40:21,415 --> 00:40:25,495
Speaker 2: take architraves off, skirting boards off, scotias off, pull off

680
00:40:25,495 --> 00:40:29,895
Speaker 2: internal wall lining, add insulation into there, and reinstate all

681
00:40:29,895 --> 00:40:32,095
Speaker 2: of that, which is quite disruptive, or you're going to

682
00:40:32,135 --> 00:40:34,815
Speaker 2: do it on the outside, which is also disruptive, or

683
00:40:34,855 --> 00:40:36,655
Speaker 2: you just go, why don't we just leave it where

684
00:40:36,695 --> 00:40:40,015
Speaker 2: it is and put a new sheath around the outside

685
00:40:40,015 --> 00:40:42,255
Speaker 2: of the building and put all of our insulation in there,

686
00:40:42,295 --> 00:40:44,695
Speaker 2: which has the benefit too that you don't get the

687
00:40:44,695 --> 00:40:50,135
Speaker 2: thermal bridging or you reduce the thermal bridging. So maybe your

688
00:40:50,215 --> 00:40:54,735
Speaker 2: question fits into that category around retrofit for existing buildings

689
00:40:54,775 --> 00:40:59,095
Speaker 2: to increase the insulation performance. Interesting. Interesting, We're starting to

690
00:40:59,095 --> 00:41:04,375
Speaker 2: get a couple of texts and Paul Bryce, who is

691
00:41:04,415 --> 00:41:07,855
Speaker 2: our painting expert, he'll be coming along around seven thirty

692
00:41:07,855 --> 00:41:10,575
Speaker 2: this morning, so really looking forward to that. Oh eight

693
00:41:10,695 --> 00:41:13,735
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Another text. Hey,

694
00:41:13,735 --> 00:41:16,415
Speaker 2: Pete super show, Thank you very much, very kind. Listen

695
00:41:16,455 --> 00:41:19,615
Speaker 2: every week, and then he goes on to talk about

696
00:41:19,695 --> 00:41:22,255
Speaker 2: BCA's will do that after the break Your News Talk,

697
00:41:22,295 --> 00:41:24,535
Speaker 2: said B, New Sport and Weather, top of the hour

698
00:41:24,615 --> 00:41:27,535
Speaker 2: at seven o'clock. Then we're into your calls.

699
00:41:27,415 --> 00:41:30,335
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering

700
00:41:30,335 --> 00:41:32,415
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter

701
00:41:32,495 --> 00:41:39,215
Speaker 1: wolf Cap call on eighty the resident builder on Newstalks EDB, Your.

702
00:41:39,135 --> 00:41:42,255
Speaker 2: News Talks EDB. We are talking all things building construction,

703
00:41:42,375 --> 00:41:44,335
Speaker 2: as we always do on a Sunday morning here at

704
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:47,135
Speaker 2: News Talks EDB. So good morning, welcome along to the program.

705
00:41:47,375 --> 00:41:51,455
Speaker 2: It is just coming up seven minutes after seven. A

706
00:41:51,495 --> 00:41:53,655
Speaker 2: couple of texts that we need to address at some stage.

707
00:41:53,695 --> 00:41:56,935
Speaker 2: If you've got a painting question, text them through because

708
00:41:56,935 --> 00:42:00,415
Speaker 2: Bryce McDermott, our painting expert from Razine, is going to

709
00:42:00,415 --> 00:42:04,215
Speaker 2: be available from around seven thirty this morning, so any

710
00:42:04,295 --> 00:42:08,535
Speaker 2: specific painting questions. The other thing too, is because we've

711
00:42:08,575 --> 00:42:10,935
Speaker 2: had quite a already on the show, and I think

712
00:42:10,975 --> 00:42:12,935
Speaker 2: it's going to be something we'll be talking quite a

713
00:42:12,935 --> 00:42:16,135
Speaker 2: lot about. Is you know it changes to the building legislation,

714
00:42:16,255 --> 00:42:20,535
Speaker 2: the possibility that we'll see buildings up to seventy square

715
00:42:20,575 --> 00:42:24,255
Speaker 2: meters granny flats being able to be built without necessarily

716
00:42:24,295 --> 00:42:28,055
Speaker 2: requiring a building consent, which then raises lots of issues

717
00:42:28,175 --> 00:42:34,295
Speaker 2: around building controls, building quality, ensuring that somebody when the

718
00:42:34,335 --> 00:42:37,655
Speaker 2: building gets sold in the future, doesn't inherit something that's

719
00:42:37,815 --> 00:42:42,535
Speaker 2: unsafe or unsound, you know, or isn't going to last. Right,

720
00:42:43,015 --> 00:42:45,335
Speaker 2: So how do we control quality? One of the things

721
00:42:45,335 --> 00:42:48,295
Speaker 2: that I've kind of got to with my own thinking

722
00:42:48,415 --> 00:42:52,615
Speaker 2: is that I wonder whether a straightforward solution to it

723
00:42:52,655 --> 00:42:56,415
Speaker 2: is that buildings can be built up to seventy square

724
00:42:56,455 --> 00:42:59,895
Speaker 2: meters without necessarily requiring a building consent if they come

725
00:42:59,975 --> 00:43:05,055
Speaker 2: from established companies who are building these often off site, right,

726
00:43:05,175 --> 00:43:07,495
Speaker 2: so they're building them in the factory, they've got their

727
00:43:07,535 --> 00:43:12,215
Speaker 2: quality assurance processes, they're using design that they've developed, they

728
00:43:12,215 --> 00:43:15,655
Speaker 2: can prove compliance with the building code and so on.

729
00:43:15,695 --> 00:43:19,095
Speaker 2: And sort of an idea that's been floating around in

730
00:43:19,175 --> 00:43:21,655
Speaker 2: my head anyway for a little while. And then the

731
00:43:21,695 --> 00:43:24,615
Speaker 2: other day there was an article online that I was

732
00:43:24,655 --> 00:43:28,095
Speaker 2: reading and there was some discussion with off Site New

733
00:43:28,175 --> 00:43:32,615
Speaker 2: Zealand right, which is an organization that promotes off site manufacturing.

734
00:43:32,655 --> 00:43:36,095
Speaker 2: It's across the boards and industry group. Anyway, I gave

735
00:43:36,135 --> 00:43:39,415
Speaker 2: Scott Fisher, who's the head of Offsite New Zealand, a call.

736
00:43:39,495 --> 00:43:41,895
Speaker 2: We had a good conversation a couple of weeks ago,

737
00:43:41,895 --> 00:43:43,815
Speaker 2: and I said, let's talk about this on the radio.

738
00:43:43,855 --> 00:43:45,375
Speaker 2: So we're going to do that in about an hour's

739
00:43:45,415 --> 00:43:49,455
Speaker 2: time as well, So after eight o'clock Scott Fisher from Offsite,

740
00:43:49,935 --> 00:43:52,135
Speaker 2: he'll explain what that's all about and we'll have a

741
00:43:52,175 --> 00:43:54,175
Speaker 2: bit of a look. There's a lot to talk about.

742
00:43:54,375 --> 00:43:57,095
Speaker 2: Try and be as brief as we can around you

743
00:43:57,135 --> 00:44:00,135
Speaker 2: know what off site does and is that like if

744
00:44:00,135 --> 00:44:02,815
Speaker 2: you're looking. One of the phrases actually that Chris Pink

745
00:44:02,935 --> 00:44:05,615
Speaker 2: used when we did the interview last year is quick

746
00:44:05,615 --> 00:44:08,495
Speaker 2: and dirty looking for quickened eary solutions, which I think

747
00:44:08,775 --> 00:44:11,415
Speaker 2: reflects his time in the Navy perhaps, But anyway, I

748
00:44:11,495 --> 00:44:14,015
Speaker 2: like the phrase in the sense that let's do something

749
00:44:14,135 --> 00:44:18,175
Speaker 2: that we is achievable, that works and might not have

750
00:44:18,215 --> 00:44:19,895
Speaker 2: all the bells and whistles, but it's going to work.

751
00:44:19,895 --> 00:44:22,775
Speaker 2: And I kind of look at the the granny flat

752
00:44:22,775 --> 00:44:27,295
Speaker 2: thing and go, actually, you know what, because we've got

753
00:44:27,975 --> 00:44:30,255
Speaker 2: a growing industry. Yeah, I think that's fair to say

754
00:44:30,575 --> 00:44:35,055
Speaker 2: we've got an established industry that builds to a high

755
00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:40,295
Speaker 2: quality using processes that they've developed, that they can prove

756
00:44:40,615 --> 00:44:44,935
Speaker 2: our building code compliant. Why not just say, if you're

757
00:44:44,975 --> 00:44:46,855
Speaker 2: going to do seventy square meters, you're going to go

758
00:44:46,895 --> 00:44:49,535
Speaker 2: and get it from someone who can prove what they're building.

759
00:44:49,575 --> 00:44:52,775
Speaker 2: And the contrast to that is I buy a packet

760
00:44:52,775 --> 00:44:55,495
Speaker 2: of framing and I back the ukee down the drive

761
00:44:55,735 --> 00:45:01,055
Speaker 2: and I start framing a house up. Broadly speaking, that's

762
00:45:01,095 --> 00:45:04,255
Speaker 2: your alternatives or do we go? Actually, we're going to

763
00:45:04,295 --> 00:45:06,735
Speaker 2: go to this company. We can look at the record,

764
00:45:06,775 --> 00:45:08,615
Speaker 2: we can look at the quality assurance, we can look

765
00:45:08,615 --> 00:45:11,135
Speaker 2: at their designs. We know that it's building code compliant.

766
00:45:11,695 --> 00:45:15,055
Speaker 2: Sure truck it on down will pop sixty square meters

767
00:45:15,095 --> 00:45:18,415
Speaker 2: on the backyard because we know that it'll be built well. Anyway,

768
00:45:18,415 --> 00:45:21,695
Speaker 2: we're going to talk with Scott Fisher from offsite at

769
00:45:22,095 --> 00:45:24,015
Speaker 2: just after eight o'clock this morning. Time to get into

770
00:45:24,015 --> 00:45:26,095
Speaker 2: your calls. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the

771
00:45:26,175 --> 00:45:29,415
Speaker 2: number to call, Kath Good morning, Oh.

772
00:45:29,295 --> 00:45:32,615
Speaker 12: Good morning, Pete. Look, I wonder if you can help us.

773
00:45:32,775 --> 00:45:38,855
Speaker 12: We've got a three bedroom single level on a concrete floor,

774
00:45:38,895 --> 00:45:44,535
Speaker 12: a concrete base and it's we've got a tenant obviously

775
00:45:44,655 --> 00:45:48,095
Speaker 12: very good tenant. Anyway, on Easter Sunday, I think it

776
00:45:48,135 --> 00:45:50,175
Speaker 12: was at night, in the middle of that big storm

777
00:45:50,175 --> 00:45:54,775
Speaker 12: and lots of thunder, she woke up and her massive cracking.

778
00:45:55,375 --> 00:45:58,815
Speaker 12: She said, it was the most horrendous sound. We thought

779
00:45:58,815 --> 00:46:02,015
Speaker 12: it was coming from the bathroom, which her master bedroom

780
00:46:02,055 --> 00:46:05,455
Speaker 12: is right next to the bathroom. And then she got

781
00:46:05,535 --> 00:46:08,375
Speaker 12: up and she walked into the dining area and kitchen

782
00:46:08,375 --> 00:46:11,855
Speaker 12: there and a whole rows of tiles had popped up

783
00:46:11,895 --> 00:46:16,895
Speaker 12: into a point. And so we've had a builder go

784
00:46:16,935 --> 00:46:19,495
Speaker 12: and lift up a couple of tiles and there's no

785
00:46:19,615 --> 00:46:22,495
Speaker 12: sign of any water or any cracking in the concrete floor.

786
00:46:23,335 --> 00:46:25,135
Speaker 12: When we've had a tiler had looked at it and

787
00:46:25,175 --> 00:46:27,335
Speaker 12: he said that all of the tiles and the whole

788
00:46:27,335 --> 00:46:32,015
Speaker 12: dining kitchen area and across the little carpeted hallway into

789
00:46:32,095 --> 00:46:35,775
Speaker 12: the bathroom where there's tiles again they've will loosened up

790
00:46:35,815 --> 00:46:39,855
Speaker 12: as well in the bathroom. So we have no idea

791
00:46:40,535 --> 00:46:41,415
Speaker 12: what could calls that.

792
00:46:42,375 --> 00:46:45,415
Speaker 2: So I just want to step through this. So it's

793
00:46:45,735 --> 00:46:46,935
Speaker 2: how old's the building.

794
00:46:46,695 --> 00:46:52,015
Speaker 12: Roughly approximately twenty five to thirty years old. It's been

795
00:46:52,215 --> 00:46:53,735
Speaker 12: always really well maintained.

796
00:46:53,815 --> 00:46:57,695
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you know, i'd call that modern despite

797
00:46:57,735 --> 00:47:00,655
Speaker 2: those twenty five years old. Someone who's a teenager will

798
00:47:00,655 --> 00:47:04,015
Speaker 2: call that ancient. But anyway, okay, so we're talking a

799
00:47:04,015 --> 00:47:06,815
Speaker 2: building that was built, let's say sometime in the nineteen nineties.

800
00:47:06,975 --> 00:47:12,375
Speaker 2: It's a concrete slab, yeah, correct, single story, double story, yes, no,

801
00:47:12,535 --> 00:47:16,015
Speaker 2: single story, single story, concrete slab, timber frame on top,

802
00:47:16,335 --> 00:47:21,055
Speaker 2: conventional roofing, probably aluminium jowinery da da da da da.

803
00:47:21,455 --> 00:47:25,415
Speaker 2: And then those tiles, those tiles that are down there

804
00:47:25,895 --> 00:47:28,495
Speaker 2: are tiles that are fixed to the concrete floor and

805
00:47:28,535 --> 00:47:31,975
Speaker 2: what they've described them as the tiles have popped up.

806
00:47:33,455 --> 00:47:35,855
Speaker 12: Yeah, so you can you can see that. When she

807
00:47:35,935 --> 00:47:38,415
Speaker 12: sent its photo there was a whole row of tiles

808
00:47:38,415 --> 00:47:41,015
Speaker 12: and they'd a whole two roads had come up into

809
00:47:41,055 --> 00:47:44,655
Speaker 12: a point like a triangle. Yes, and so we thought

810
00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:47,215
Speaker 12: it was just that row of tiles. But now that

811
00:47:47,255 --> 00:47:50,415
Speaker 12: we've had a tiler have a Locky said, actually, all

812
00:47:50,495 --> 00:47:52,815
Speaker 12: of the tiles and the whole dining it's not a

813
00:47:52,935 --> 00:47:56,215
Speaker 12: huge place, but all of the tiles in the dining

814
00:47:56,255 --> 00:48:00,055
Speaker 12: area and leading into the kitchen have all come loose

815
00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:03,335
Speaker 12: right also into the bathroom as well, And she said

816
00:48:03,735 --> 00:48:05,655
Speaker 12: the noise. She said it felt like the noise was

817
00:48:05,695 --> 00:48:08,455
Speaker 12: going on ever, but it was probably five minutes. But

818
00:48:08,855 --> 00:48:11,095
Speaker 12: he said it was really brightening because it was just

819
00:48:11,735 --> 00:48:12,695
Speaker 12: massively loud.

820
00:48:13,175 --> 00:48:15,895
Speaker 2: Wow. Oh, I love a good mystery, to be fair.

821
00:48:16,895 --> 00:48:18,295
Speaker 12: Yeh, we hope you're.

822
00:48:19,775 --> 00:48:22,055
Speaker 2: So the builder that's come along and had a look

823
00:48:22,055 --> 00:48:24,975
Speaker 2: at it, Like the tiles, have they been able to

824
00:48:25,015 --> 00:48:27,975
Speaker 2: be lifted and you can see what the concrete slabs

825
00:48:28,055 --> 00:48:29,295
Speaker 2: underneath it is there?

826
00:48:29,415 --> 00:48:33,735
Speaker 12: Yeah, he literally he literally just lifted up, you know,

827
00:48:35,095 --> 00:48:38,495
Speaker 12: but none of the tiles have broken. They've all just

828
00:48:39,175 --> 00:48:44,935
Speaker 12: lifted and but we thought it was just the two

829
00:48:45,215 --> 00:48:48,935
Speaker 12: the two big tiles, so yeah, you know, but it

830
00:48:49,015 --> 00:48:52,735
Speaker 12: turns out that sadly, the tyler has told us that

831
00:48:53,135 --> 00:48:55,975
Speaker 12: it's all of the tiles and the dining a whole

832
00:48:56,015 --> 00:48:59,375
Speaker 12: lot then had to come up and obviously be replaced

833
00:48:59,455 --> 00:49:02,295
Speaker 12: because by the time you lifted them all and take

834
00:49:02,335 --> 00:49:05,055
Speaker 12: off all the grout and grind off all the concrete

835
00:49:05,055 --> 00:49:10,335
Speaker 12: off them and stuff. Yeah, so we're just thinking what

836
00:49:10,455 --> 00:49:11,975
Speaker 12: on earth could have caused that.

837
00:49:15,335 --> 00:49:17,735
Speaker 2: It would be really interesting to see what the condition

838
00:49:17,815 --> 00:49:20,855
Speaker 2: of the concrete floor underneath the tiles. So if you

839
00:49:20,895 --> 00:49:23,375
Speaker 2: were to like those tiles that have peaked right, that

840
00:49:23,455 --> 00:49:25,695
Speaker 2: are now in a triangle shape. If you're to peel

841
00:49:25,695 --> 00:49:28,295
Speaker 2: those backs, scrape back some adhesive and have a look

842
00:49:28,335 --> 00:49:30,535
Speaker 2: at the floor. And what I'd be looking for is

843
00:49:30,535 --> 00:49:33,495
Speaker 2: is there a crack there? And in that crack, is

844
00:49:33,495 --> 00:49:35,895
Speaker 2: there any moisture? Is there any sign that there's water

845
00:49:36,495 --> 00:49:41,535
Speaker 2: that you know, potentially if there's pipework in the slab,

846
00:49:41,775 --> 00:49:47,535
Speaker 2: has that pipe burst and that it's creating Well, it's

847
00:49:47,535 --> 00:49:50,575
Speaker 2: still an unusual event though, to see tiles pop up.

848
00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:54,015
Speaker 2: I mean, tiles will get drummy, right, and they'll lose

849
00:49:54,055 --> 00:49:56,655
Speaker 2: adhesion and so on, but they'll just get loose and

850
00:49:56,775 --> 00:49:59,295
Speaker 2: rattle and then you lift them up. But to see

851
00:49:59,335 --> 00:50:02,375
Speaker 2: them actually pop up sort of would indicate that something's

852
00:50:02,415 --> 00:50:06,175
Speaker 2: forcing them up or there's pressure on either side that

853
00:50:06,415 --> 00:50:10,015
Speaker 2: is causing them to pop up as well. But on

854
00:50:10,055 --> 00:50:13,575
Speaker 2: a concrete slab, it's hard to imagine what that what

855
00:50:13,655 --> 00:50:14,935
Speaker 2: the source of that pressure is.

856
00:50:16,095 --> 00:50:19,175
Speaker 12: When the builder did lift them, there was no is

857
00:50:19,215 --> 00:50:24,055
Speaker 12: only lifted. Yeah, but there was no sign whatsoever anything

858
00:50:24,375 --> 00:50:28,415
Speaker 12: untoward on the concrete slab. But that was only in

859
00:50:28,455 --> 00:50:32,575
Speaker 12: that area. I mean, it might be from a you know, yeah,

860
00:50:32,575 --> 00:50:34,735
Speaker 12: there's no question the stub or anything like that.

861
00:50:35,055 --> 00:50:37,055
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, in terms of solving them street,

862
00:50:37,055 --> 00:50:39,535
Speaker 2: it would be interesting to go to your insurer and go,

863
00:50:39,655 --> 00:50:40,615
Speaker 2: we've had this damage.

864
00:50:40,695 --> 00:50:40,855
Speaker 13: Right.

865
00:50:40,935 --> 00:50:43,415
Speaker 2: We don't really know what's caused the damage, but it

866
00:50:43,495 --> 00:50:46,855
Speaker 2: is obviously damage that this isn't as a result of

867
00:50:46,895 --> 00:50:50,215
Speaker 2: wear and tear. It's not gradual damage. They were okay

868
00:50:50,295 --> 00:50:52,295
Speaker 2: one day and they're not the next, so that something

869
00:50:52,335 --> 00:50:56,375
Speaker 2: has happened, and to have their assessor come and maybe

870
00:50:56,415 --> 00:50:59,615
Speaker 2: they've got some insight into it without looking at it.

871
00:51:00,735 --> 00:51:03,615
Speaker 12: We rang the insurance straight away, and of course they

872
00:51:03,455 --> 00:51:05,135
Speaker 12: did get the builder to go and have a lot

873
00:51:05,255 --> 00:51:07,935
Speaker 12: and then with them obviously he said, well, look you'll

874
00:51:07,935 --> 00:51:09,975
Speaker 12: need to get a tiler. He said, I've lifted up.

875
00:51:10,535 --> 00:51:13,935
Speaker 12: He said, I have no idea, but he lifted up

876
00:51:13,415 --> 00:51:16,175
Speaker 12: the tiles and said look the concrects and all that.

877
00:51:16,375 --> 00:51:18,695
Speaker 12: The parts of the area that he lifted looked fine.

878
00:51:20,015 --> 00:51:22,975
Speaker 12: And then the tiler gave us the grim news. So

879
00:51:23,495 --> 00:51:25,775
Speaker 12: we'll go back to the insurance company, I guess, and

880
00:51:25,855 --> 00:51:28,895
Speaker 12: just say, look, you know, because surely it will be

881
00:51:28,935 --> 00:51:33,295
Speaker 12: an insurance situation because you know, no, it's not like

882
00:51:33,335 --> 00:51:36,855
Speaker 12: you say gradual, where it's just something perfectly fine.

883
00:51:36,855 --> 00:51:39,815
Speaker 2: Certainly, I think it should be an insurance claim, and

884
00:51:39,935 --> 00:51:42,375
Speaker 2: because of the age of the tiles, you're unlikely to

885
00:51:42,455 --> 00:51:48,735
Speaker 2: find replacement tiles and just focus on that, right, because

886
00:51:50,495 --> 00:51:52,735
Speaker 2: insurance might be a little bit reluctant to say, well, look,

887
00:51:52,735 --> 00:51:55,495
Speaker 2: we're lifting tiles that are perfectly good. They're still the

888
00:51:55,855 --> 00:51:59,455
Speaker 2: The issue then becomes, depending on your policy wording, that

889
00:51:59,535 --> 00:52:02,255
Speaker 2: it's got to be consistent, and so they should replace

890
00:52:02,375 --> 00:52:04,695
Speaker 2: all of the tiles. But it's going to be a

891
00:52:04,735 --> 00:52:09,055
Speaker 2: fairly disruptive process. It's noisy and dusty to chip those

892
00:52:09,095 --> 00:52:12,175
Speaker 2: tiles out, grind the floor to get rid of all

893
00:52:12,215 --> 00:52:16,735
Speaker 2: of the existing adhesive, and then I would suggest perhaps

894
00:52:16,735 --> 00:52:19,775
Speaker 2: putting down a vapor barrier, so sealing the floor, then

895
00:52:19,855 --> 00:52:24,295
Speaker 2: doing a new new adhesive, new tiles down, grouting it

896
00:52:24,335 --> 00:52:28,335
Speaker 2: and so on. It's going to be quite the process. Please,

897
00:52:28,735 --> 00:52:33,135
Speaker 2: if you get more, I'm curious, because I'm to be fair,

898
00:52:33,335 --> 00:52:36,895
Speaker 2: I can't think of a straightforward solution to going, hey,

899
00:52:37,175 --> 00:52:39,815
Speaker 2: that's what it is, apart from there is actually a

900
00:52:39,855 --> 00:52:41,855
Speaker 2: leak in the slab. Now if that's the case, then

901
00:52:41,895 --> 00:52:44,975
Speaker 2: you've got even more work to do, so you kind

902
00:52:44,975 --> 00:52:47,975
Speaker 2: of need to steal yourself for that possibility. As well.

903
00:52:48,415 --> 00:52:51,495
Speaker 2: I'd love to know how this gets resolved, so please

904
00:52:51,535 --> 00:52:53,335
Speaker 2: give us a call if you've got more information in

905
00:52:53,375 --> 00:52:56,055
Speaker 2: the weeks ahead. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

906
00:52:56,135 --> 00:52:58,295
Speaker 2: will take more of your calls after the break.

907
00:52:59,135 --> 00:53:02,735
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from

908
00:53:02,815 --> 00:53:06,015
Speaker 1: Pedi Wolfcare, the resident builder on newstalksb.

909
00:53:07,215 --> 00:53:10,095
Speaker 2: Change of season still means getting out into the garden

910
00:53:10,095 --> 00:53:13,015
Speaker 2: as we roll through autumn, and if it's outdoor power

911
00:53:13,015 --> 00:53:16,375
Speaker 2: equipment you're looking for to keep the garden staying in shape,

912
00:53:16,455 --> 00:53:18,735
Speaker 2: then still Shop is the place where you can get

913
00:53:18,815 --> 00:53:22,975
Speaker 2: expert advice and equipment fully assembled, fueled up or fully

914
00:53:23,095 --> 00:53:25,735
Speaker 2: charged up and ready to go. Not everyone can offer

915
00:53:25,735 --> 00:53:29,575
Speaker 2: you that. Autumn also means free upgrades. At still Shop,

916
00:53:29,735 --> 00:53:32,775
Speaker 2: they've taken all of their top best sellers and are

917
00:53:32,815 --> 00:53:36,255
Speaker 2: offering a free upgrade to an upgraded model. How good

918
00:53:36,335 --> 00:53:39,415
Speaker 2: is that there's a best seller list. It might be

919
00:53:39,455 --> 00:53:41,055
Speaker 2: a chain, so it might be a water blast. It

920
00:53:41,135 --> 00:53:43,215
Speaker 2: might be a hedge tromor, or a line trimmer, or

921
00:53:43,255 --> 00:53:45,535
Speaker 2: a lawn mower, and when the lawns are done, get

922
00:53:45,535 --> 00:53:49,615
Speaker 2: yourself a blowervac. Free autumn upgrades from still Shops right

923
00:53:49,655 --> 00:53:53,375
Speaker 2: across the country. Visit one near you this weekend shop

924
00:53:53,415 --> 00:53:56,615
Speaker 2: and store or online with speedy click and collect or

925
00:53:56,975 --> 00:54:01,015
Speaker 2: home delivery z be. It seems I'm not the only

926
00:54:01,055 --> 00:54:04,615
Speaker 2: one that likes good mystery. Going back to our previous

927
00:54:04,615 --> 00:54:09,535
Speaker 2: call with Kate, could the walls have flexed? It's a

928
00:54:09,695 --> 00:54:12,855
Speaker 2: really intriguing question. So this is the whole issue. Floor

929
00:54:12,895 --> 00:54:17,135
Speaker 2: tiles that have effectively peaked and popped up two floor

930
00:54:17,215 --> 00:54:20,575
Speaker 2: tiles on a twenty five year old house all peak,

931
00:54:20,695 --> 00:54:23,455
Speaker 2: he says the Texter. I love a good mystery myself.

932
00:54:23,815 --> 00:54:26,695
Speaker 2: If there's no cracking in the concrete, could the house

933
00:54:26,775 --> 00:54:32,775
Speaker 2: have moved and the foundations didn't during the You know,

934
00:54:32,855 --> 00:54:36,655
Speaker 2: we had pretty inclement weather last weekend, and certainly I

935
00:54:36,775 --> 00:54:40,935
Speaker 2: remember lying in bed feeling that the house was moving

936
00:54:41,095 --> 00:54:44,055
Speaker 2: during some of the thunderstorms in Auckland. The house was

937
00:54:44,175 --> 00:54:47,335
Speaker 2: vibrating with the thunderstorms. But I mean, it takes a

938
00:54:47,495 --> 00:54:52,175
Speaker 2: lot of energy to move wall, particularly a bottom plate

939
00:54:52,215 --> 00:54:54,735
Speaker 2: that's been fixed down twenty five years ago, that's got

940
00:54:54,855 --> 00:54:59,015
Speaker 2: probably diner bolts or anchors or ram set shots and

941
00:54:59,055 --> 00:55:03,015
Speaker 2: it's fixed down onto a concrete slab and the framing's

942
00:55:03,055 --> 00:55:06,135
Speaker 2: got six k in connectors and all the rest of it.

943
00:55:06,295 --> 00:55:09,015
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot of movement that we're talking about.

944
00:55:09,055 --> 00:55:12,855
Speaker 2: So maybe when pressure against the outside walls forcing the

945
00:55:12,895 --> 00:55:15,695
Speaker 2: bottom plate, and it's a long shot at best. I

946
00:55:15,735 --> 00:55:17,375
Speaker 2: agree with you that is a bit of a long shot,

947
00:55:17,415 --> 00:55:20,735
Speaker 2: but hey, I love it. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

948
00:55:20,815 --> 00:55:22,575
Speaker 2: ten eighty the number to coured. Remember we've got Bryce

949
00:55:22,655 --> 00:55:25,655
Speaker 2: McDermott our painting expert shortly so if you've got any

950
00:55:25,695 --> 00:55:28,495
Speaker 2: specific painting questions, give us a call, send me a

951
00:55:28,535 --> 00:55:32,575
Speaker 2: text rather at nine ninety two, Penelope, good morning, Good

952
00:55:32,575 --> 00:55:33,295
Speaker 2: morning pe.

953
00:55:34,415 --> 00:55:36,815
Speaker 6: Have we moved into our house eight years ago and

954
00:55:36,895 --> 00:55:40,695
Speaker 6: it was brand new and on the east side with

955
00:55:42,375 --> 00:55:46,655
Speaker 6: we've got double gazing throughout the spaller windows that actually

956
00:55:46,775 --> 00:55:49,935
Speaker 6: open on the east side of the house. All three

957
00:55:50,535 --> 00:55:53,655
Speaker 6: the seals seem to have failed. And the question is

958
00:55:53,855 --> 00:55:56,935
Speaker 6: it's that acceptable because it's on the east side and

959
00:55:57,015 --> 00:55:59,655
Speaker 6: getting a lot of sun or is it a failure

960
00:55:59,735 --> 00:56:01,375
Speaker 6: of the double glazing.

961
00:56:02,095 --> 00:56:04,735
Speaker 2: When you say the seal has failed, do you mean

962
00:56:04,815 --> 00:56:08,415
Speaker 2: the seal that between the two layers of glass that

963
00:56:08,535 --> 00:56:09,495
Speaker 2: makes double glazing.

964
00:56:10,375 --> 00:56:16,695
Speaker 6: Yes, there appears to be condensation actually inside the two layers.

965
00:56:16,335 --> 00:56:19,335
Speaker 2: Of glass and the building is how old.

966
00:56:20,895 --> 00:56:21,815
Speaker 13: Seven years old.

967
00:56:22,255 --> 00:56:26,135
Speaker 2: Okay, so that should still be warrantied. So are you

968
00:56:26,255 --> 00:56:28,455
Speaker 2: the original owner of the house or did you buy

969
00:56:28,455 --> 00:56:31,815
Speaker 2: it from you are okay? So you bought it from

970
00:56:32,055 --> 00:56:33,815
Speaker 2: the developer or the builder that built it.

971
00:56:34,895 --> 00:56:36,655
Speaker 6: We had it built, you had it built.

972
00:56:36,735 --> 00:56:40,495
Speaker 2: Okay. Oh that's great. So you should be able to

973
00:56:40,495 --> 00:56:42,895
Speaker 2: go back either through the builder or through your own

974
00:56:42,935 --> 00:56:47,375
Speaker 2: records to see Chances are what happened is the builder

975
00:56:47,415 --> 00:56:50,655
Speaker 2: would have gone to a joiner, to a joinery manufacturer

976
00:56:50,975 --> 00:56:53,615
Speaker 2: who would have supplied the windows, and they would have

977
00:56:53,655 --> 00:56:56,495
Speaker 2: then gone to the manufacturer of the double glazed units

978
00:56:56,895 --> 00:57:00,535
Speaker 2: to supply the double glazing. It's rare that people go

979
00:57:01,055 --> 00:57:04,895
Speaker 2: to a specific manufacturer of double glazing and to a joiners,

980
00:57:04,975 --> 00:57:07,975
Speaker 2: two separate entities. Tend to go to the window manufacturer,

981
00:57:08,255 --> 00:57:12,575
Speaker 2: the window manufacturer rings whichever provided they've got and orders

982
00:57:12,615 --> 00:57:16,855
Speaker 2: the DG units for you. So there should be a

983
00:57:16,895 --> 00:57:19,575
Speaker 2: paper There should be a paper trail. Go back through

984
00:57:19,615 --> 00:57:22,855
Speaker 2: the joiner, figure out which company and there's only a

985
00:57:22,855 --> 00:57:25,655
Speaker 2: couple that would have supplied double glazing units, and then

986
00:57:25,695 --> 00:57:28,415
Speaker 2: I would contact them directly with name and address and

987
00:57:28,735 --> 00:57:31,535
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, and say, look, could you send

988
00:57:31,535 --> 00:57:34,175
Speaker 2: someone out to have a look at these because seven years,

989
00:57:34,255 --> 00:57:37,895
Speaker 2: you'd expect them to last longer than that, and typically

990
00:57:37,935 --> 00:57:41,175
Speaker 2: they do. So it might just be a batching issue,

991
00:57:41,655 --> 00:57:45,935
Speaker 2: whatever it should be. But I my expectation, and I've

992
00:57:46,415 --> 00:57:50,415
Speaker 2: been a brand ambassador for Metro Performance Glass, who do

993
00:57:50,415 --> 00:57:54,015
Speaker 2: double glazing units, I would say that in that instance,

994
00:57:54,055 --> 00:57:56,135
Speaker 2: they'd send somebody out and if it's a fault, they'll

995
00:57:56,135 --> 00:57:58,975
Speaker 2: fix it, and hopefully if it's a different company, they'll

996
00:57:58,975 --> 00:58:02,055
Speaker 2: take the same approach. So seven years, No, it shouldn't

997
00:58:02,055 --> 00:58:03,335
Speaker 2: fail within that time.

998
00:58:04,775 --> 00:58:05,615
Speaker 6: Thank you very much.

999
00:58:05,655 --> 00:58:08,255
Speaker 2: No trouble, but you you know, do chase it up.

1000
00:58:09,015 --> 00:58:11,815
Speaker 2: In my expectation is that they should send someone out

1001
00:58:12,255 --> 00:58:14,055
Speaker 2: and they should be replaced.

1002
00:58:15,495 --> 00:58:16,295
Speaker 12: Thank you very much.

1003
00:58:17,775 --> 00:58:21,175
Speaker 2: This black all right, I take care all of this thing.

1004
00:58:21,655 --> 00:58:23,415
Speaker 2: And Robbie, good morning to you.

1005
00:58:24,655 --> 00:58:25,415
Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning.

1006
00:58:26,895 --> 00:58:27,815
Speaker 14: Don't a question.

1007
00:58:29,215 --> 00:58:29,775
Speaker 10: I've got a.

1008
00:58:31,615 --> 00:58:35,775
Speaker 14: Double garage that I've converted into a hobby room or

1009
00:58:35,815 --> 00:58:40,215
Speaker 14: a a gym sort of a room.

1010
00:58:40,335 --> 00:58:40,495
Speaker 13: Yep.

1011
00:58:41,655 --> 00:58:43,895
Speaker 14: When I was going to do it, I ranged the

1012
00:58:43,975 --> 00:58:46,175
Speaker 14: counsel I was going to turn into a bedroom, but

1013
00:58:47,535 --> 00:58:52,455
Speaker 14: it was going to cost me six thousand dollars resource consents.

1014
00:58:52,935 --> 00:58:55,095
Speaker 14: The builder told me, as long as I called it

1015
00:58:55,815 --> 00:58:58,015
Speaker 14: a hobby room or an office. He said, you don't

1016
00:58:58,055 --> 00:59:02,175
Speaker 14: need a building permit, So we were ahead and put

1017
00:59:02,175 --> 00:59:05,055
Speaker 14: the sliding doors and windows on the front of it,

1018
00:59:06,415 --> 00:59:10,695
Speaker 14: put wall carpet on the bottom floor, put all the

1019
00:59:10,775 --> 00:59:14,855
Speaker 14: gym gear and that anyway I ended up. I put

1020
00:59:14,895 --> 00:59:18,015
Speaker 14: a bed, you know, a king sized bed and everything else.

1021
00:59:18,335 --> 00:59:24,735
Speaker 14: It's a fabulous it's actually made a favorous bedroom. Can

1022
00:59:24,775 --> 00:59:27,175
Speaker 14: the council stop be putting a bed in here? Or

1023
00:59:27,215 --> 00:59:29,775
Speaker 14: is it just like an do her a lot with

1024
00:59:29,855 --> 00:59:32,095
Speaker 14: it once it's.

1025
00:59:32,655 --> 00:59:35,655
Speaker 2: I guess there's two things that play here. One is,

1026
00:59:35,775 --> 00:59:39,255
Speaker 2: you know, council don't have the resources to come round

1027
00:59:39,375 --> 00:59:42,375
Speaker 2: and stop you putting a bed in there, and basically

1028
00:59:42,375 --> 00:59:48,295
Speaker 2: they don't care. Right yes to some degree. However, in

1029
00:59:48,455 --> 00:59:54,615
Speaker 2: terms of making that a habitable space, it's not suitable

1030
00:59:54,815 --> 00:59:57,735
Speaker 2: to be a habitable space because you haven't proven that

1031
00:59:57,775 --> 01:00:00,895
Speaker 2: it's compliant with the building code. So any space that

1032
01:00:00,935 --> 01:00:03,735
Speaker 2: we expect people to live in should be compliant with

1033
01:00:03,775 --> 01:00:09,855
Speaker 2: the building code. So in part, you've been poorly advised

1034
01:00:09,855 --> 01:00:14,775
Speaker 2: by your builder. And I don't know whether you're still

1035
01:00:14,815 --> 01:00:18,415
Speaker 2: in discussions with them, but that's poor advice on the

1036
01:00:18,455 --> 01:00:24,255
Speaker 2: builder's part. So you know, no one. I don't think

1037
01:00:24,295 --> 01:00:27,335
Speaker 2: council is going to come along. But if, for example,

1038
01:00:27,895 --> 01:00:30,415
Speaker 2: you go to sell the property and you sell it

1039
01:00:30,495 --> 01:00:34,455
Speaker 2: with a bed in that space, I would say your

1040
01:00:34,455 --> 01:00:36,695
Speaker 2: real estate agent probably say to you you need to

1041
01:00:36,695 --> 01:00:40,535
Speaker 2: remove that bed because you haven't followed the right processes

1042
01:00:40,575 --> 01:00:44,495
Speaker 2: to convert a garage which is a non habitable space,

1043
01:00:44,575 --> 01:00:48,655
Speaker 2: into a bedroom which is a habitable space. So you

1044
01:00:48,695 --> 01:00:51,855
Speaker 2: can have a garage with a ranch slider on it.

1045
01:00:52,055 --> 01:00:54,615
Speaker 2: You can use it as a hobby room kind of.

1046
01:00:54,695 --> 01:00:57,295
Speaker 2: That's or you could use it as a gym, but

1047
01:00:57,375 --> 01:01:00,215
Speaker 2: you can't use it as a habitable space without a

1048
01:01:00,255 --> 01:01:01,295
Speaker 2: building consent.

1049
01:01:03,255 --> 01:01:03,375
Speaker 13: Yet.

1050
01:01:03,615 --> 01:01:07,295
Speaker 14: Yeah, because of because I've got a bet in here

1051
01:01:07,295 --> 01:01:10,135
Speaker 14: and I'm sleeping in here, and it's a fabolous room.

1052
01:01:10,175 --> 01:01:13,655
Speaker 14: It's just up to me whether I want to put

1053
01:01:13,655 --> 01:01:15,095
Speaker 14: a bed in here or I don't want to put

1054
01:01:15,095 --> 01:01:15,575
Speaker 14: a bet of you.

1055
01:01:15,775 --> 01:01:18,695
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, generally speaking, counsel don't have

1056
01:01:18,735 --> 01:01:21,855
Speaker 2: the bandwidth to be following up on these things. You know.

1057
01:01:22,775 --> 01:01:24,455
Speaker 2: So for example, if you were to move out the

1058
01:01:24,615 --> 01:01:27,855
Speaker 2: tenant tenant the property, it wouldn't get Healthy Homes compliance

1059
01:01:28,455 --> 01:01:33,215
Speaker 2: because you can't prove compliance for that space. So if

1060
01:01:33,255 --> 01:01:36,175
Speaker 2: you did rent it. Someone could go to tendency services

1061
01:01:36,175 --> 01:01:38,375
Speaker 2: and say it shouldn't be rented. You might not find

1062
01:01:38,375 --> 01:01:40,495
Speaker 2: that you get a healthy home statement because the property

1063
01:01:40,495 --> 01:01:44,375
Speaker 2: manager will assess it and go, that's not compliant. But

1064
01:01:44,495 --> 01:01:47,935
Speaker 2: look if it's you know, in the end, thankfully, we

1065
01:01:48,015 --> 01:01:50,335
Speaker 2: still have a bit of an attitude which is, you know,

1066
01:01:50,495 --> 01:01:53,415
Speaker 2: your home is your castle, right, so what you choose

1067
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Speaker 2: to do at your place to some degree is completely

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01:01:56,415 --> 01:01:59,335
Speaker 2: up to you. If you want to live in it,

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01:02:00,455 --> 01:02:03,015
Speaker 2: then I say, hey, knock yourself out. But in terms

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01:02:03,055 --> 01:02:05,695
Speaker 2: of compliance, no, it wouldn't be compliant.

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01:02:06,895 --> 01:02:11,615
Speaker 14: Well yeah, you know, I won't be shifting from here. Yeah,

1072
01:02:12,655 --> 01:02:14,775
Speaker 14: you know, I'd say they probably can't to hear it.

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01:02:16,935 --> 01:02:20,535
Speaker 14: So yeah, if ever went up for again, they.

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01:02:20,455 --> 01:02:24,375
Speaker 2: Would just have to sell it, sell it as a

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01:02:24,375 --> 01:02:30,055
Speaker 2: garage or or something. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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01:02:30,295 --> 01:02:33,135
Speaker 14: That's all right, that's all you know. I just I

1077
01:02:33,255 --> 01:02:37,935
Speaker 14: just wondered, you know, whether whether anybody would would have

1078
01:02:38,095 --> 01:02:38,535
Speaker 14: any work.

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01:02:40,055 --> 01:02:41,895
Speaker 2: I think it would have to be. You know, every

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01:02:41,935 --> 01:02:45,255
Speaker 2: now and then you do hear stories about council enforcing

1081
01:02:46,335 --> 01:02:49,095
Speaker 2: building regulations. So there was a case, I think a

1082
01:02:49,175 --> 01:02:53,455
Speaker 2: family and Corimandel who were essentially living in a converted barn,

1083
01:02:54,575 --> 01:02:58,175
Speaker 2: they'd added fireplaces that added an extra story. They've done

1084
01:02:58,175 --> 01:03:00,415
Speaker 2: all this work, none of it had building, and sensed

1085
01:03:00,415 --> 01:03:05,535
Speaker 2: none of the building was arguably unsafe. Council had been

1086
01:03:05,575 --> 01:03:08,775
Speaker 2: along con earned about the inhabitants, issued a number of

1087
01:03:08,815 --> 01:03:12,655
Speaker 2: statements they hadn't complied with anything, and eventually, after a

1088
01:03:12,735 --> 01:03:15,615
Speaker 2: long drawn out process, the council said, look, we're just

1089
01:03:15,695 --> 01:03:20,015
Speaker 2: going to come and pull this down, right, But that's unusual.

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01:03:20,135 --> 01:03:20,935
Speaker 2: It's very rare.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, oh I know, I know this place. It's about eleven,

1092
01:03:25,295 --> 01:03:30,135
Speaker 14: about eleven year old. So yeah, it's all it's all lined,

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01:03:30,215 --> 01:03:34,175
Speaker 14: and the garage is all got bats, and the roofs all.

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Speaker 2: Fill your boots, fill your boots. It's all the best.

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01:03:39,655 --> 01:03:42,935
Speaker 2: Every great day, Take care by by then, Oh fantastic.

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01:03:43,015 --> 01:03:45,215
Speaker 2: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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01:03:45,255 --> 01:03:48,495
Speaker 2: call every now need to get tempted to stray into

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01:03:48,495 --> 01:03:52,015
Speaker 2: that territory where you go, oh look all the building

1099
01:03:52,015 --> 01:03:54,455
Speaker 2: regulations blah blah blah. Just build what you like where

1100
01:03:54,495 --> 01:03:59,895
Speaker 2: you like. Tempting tempting. O. W. Eight one hundred eighty

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01:03:59,975 --> 01:04:02,895
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. If you've got

1102
01:04:02,935 --> 01:04:06,495
Speaker 2: a painting question. You better get on to it X

1103
01:04:06,575 --> 01:04:09,695
Speaker 2: through nine two nine two because after the break, Bryce McDermott,

1104
01:04:09,735 --> 01:04:12,935
Speaker 2: our painting expert from Razine, is going to join us.

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01:04:13,015 --> 01:04:16,255
Speaker 2: We'll take your text questions on nine to nine two

1106
01:04:16,615 --> 01:04:19,735
Speaker 2: any tricky painting questions. To be fair, folks, the trickier

1107
01:04:19,775 --> 01:04:22,415
Speaker 2: the better. I like the tricky ones. Tax them through

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Speaker 2: nine two ninety two. Back after the.

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Speaker 1: Break, helping you get those DIY projects done right. The

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Speaker 1: resident builder with Peter Wolfgat call oh eight eight Youth Talks.

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Speaker 2: EDB, your News Talks d B. And it is a

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Speaker 2: great pleasure to welcome back to the show regular contributor

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Speaker 2: and highly valued expert Bryce McDermott from Razine. A very

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01:04:42,815 --> 01:04:48,055
Speaker 2: good morning, Good morning, morning, the greetings, greetings. It's wet,

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01:04:48,375 --> 01:04:51,295
Speaker 2: it is, it is wet, but you can't use that

1116
01:04:51,335 --> 01:04:53,695
Speaker 2: as an excuse not to do some painting. But you

1117
01:04:53,855 --> 01:04:57,775
Speaker 2: do need to think about changing weather conditions. So if

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01:04:57,775 --> 01:04:59,695
Speaker 2: we are still going to paint, and to be fair,

1119
01:04:59,735 --> 01:05:01,935
Speaker 2: I looked out yesterday and thought, was it going to rain?

1120
01:05:02,015 --> 01:05:04,295
Speaker 2: Do I get a code of primer on those weather boards?

1121
01:05:04,655 --> 01:05:06,935
Speaker 2: And I held off. I probably should have done it

1122
01:05:06,935 --> 01:05:08,815
Speaker 2: because it didn't didn't rain. I was going to use

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01:05:08,855 --> 01:05:11,815
Speaker 2: some quick dry. So, but if you know what sorts

1124
01:05:11,815 --> 01:05:14,855
Speaker 2: of things should be front of mind, is the seasons

1125
01:05:14,935 --> 01:05:17,775
Speaker 2: change in terms of getting painting jobs done.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean at this time of the year, people

1127
01:05:20,855 --> 01:05:23,015
Speaker 13: are probably more consumed with interiors.

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01:05:23,135 --> 01:05:24,255
Speaker 2: Sure, and.

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Speaker 13: While it isn't cold at the moment, you know, when

1130
01:05:29,655 --> 01:05:33,215
Speaker 13: June July comes around, you know, you know the temperatures

1131
01:05:33,255 --> 01:05:35,095
Speaker 13: will drop. So there are a couple of things that

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01:05:35,135 --> 01:05:37,295
Speaker 13: you can you know, you can still do the work,

1133
01:05:37,335 --> 01:05:39,615
Speaker 13: but there's a few things that you know that will

1134
01:05:39,655 --> 01:05:42,615
Speaker 13: help you and you get the job done.

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01:05:42,775 --> 01:05:46,175
Speaker 2: Yes, So I think ventilation is important.

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01:05:47,055 --> 01:05:52,295
Speaker 13: Ventilation, Yes, it's through ventilation right open the window went

1137
01:05:52,415 --> 01:05:55,095
Speaker 13: end of the house and another window at the other

1138
01:05:55,175 --> 01:05:57,415
Speaker 13: end of the house and just tips and breeze coming through.

1139
01:05:58,935 --> 01:06:03,055
Speaker 13: The worst enemy of painters is itself really, because it

1140
01:06:03,175 --> 01:06:06,015
Speaker 13: releases water vapor as it's as it's curing. You know,

1141
01:06:06,055 --> 01:06:08,455
Speaker 13: the water has got to evaporate out of the paint basically,

1142
01:06:09,295 --> 01:06:11,215
Speaker 13: So if you don't get rid of that water vapor right,

1143
01:06:11,655 --> 01:06:14,015
Speaker 13: it's not going to cure properly. So some people use

1144
01:06:14,055 --> 01:06:17,575
Speaker 13: a combination of a dehumidifier and a fan heater. Yes

1145
01:06:17,615 --> 01:06:20,855
Speaker 13: as well, but you know the best thing to do

1146
01:06:21,015 --> 01:06:25,335
Speaker 13: is have that through ventilation and do one room or

1147
01:06:25,335 --> 01:06:27,535
Speaker 13: a corridor at a time. You know, don't try and

1148
01:06:27,615 --> 01:06:30,495
Speaker 13: do the whole house and expect it to dry. You know,

1149
01:06:30,735 --> 01:06:33,055
Speaker 13: just take it easy, do one room at a time

1150
01:06:33,175 --> 01:06:37,095
Speaker 13: and get rid of that water vapor. If the house

1151
01:06:37,175 --> 01:06:40,775
Speaker 13: is empty, for instance, and you're doing it up, you know,

1152
01:06:40,855 --> 01:06:42,775
Speaker 13: the worst thing you can possibly do is paint the

1153
01:06:42,935 --> 01:06:46,895
Speaker 13: entire interior and then lock it up in overnight and

1154
01:06:47,055 --> 01:06:49,175
Speaker 13: expect the paint to dry, because the house will just

1155
01:06:49,215 --> 01:06:50,655
Speaker 13: be filled with water vapor and.

1156
01:06:50,735 --> 01:06:54,935
Speaker 2: It won't happen, right, Okay, So that and that evaporation

1157
01:06:55,175 --> 01:07:00,055
Speaker 2: is key. Adding heat, you know, if we're really worried

1158
01:07:00,055 --> 01:07:03,295
Speaker 2: about temperatures getting too cold, because typically on the tin

1159
01:07:04,295 --> 01:07:07,175
Speaker 2: in surprise, surprise, I actually read the instructions on the

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01:07:07,215 --> 01:07:09,735
Speaker 2: side of a turn the other day, you know, and

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01:07:09,775 --> 01:07:12,215
Speaker 2: it does talk about, you know, do not paint if

1162
01:07:12,215 --> 01:07:17,215
Speaker 2: the temperature is going to drop below a certain minimum. Yeah.

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01:07:17,695 --> 01:07:21,855
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean heat is okay, but not too much.

1164
01:07:21,895 --> 01:07:24,735
Speaker 13: You don't want to, yes, you just want to. You

1165
01:07:24,855 --> 01:07:28,135
Speaker 13: just want to encourage a little bit of evaporation, okay,

1166
01:07:28,375 --> 01:07:33,535
Speaker 13: So have a fan heater in one room and just

1167
01:07:34,055 --> 01:07:38,775
Speaker 13: encourage the the breeze if you've got one to actually

1168
01:07:39,375 --> 01:07:41,855
Speaker 13: go through the house and remove that water they before you.

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01:07:42,015 --> 01:07:45,255
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right. Oh, let's rip into a couple of

1170
01:07:45,255 --> 01:07:48,135
Speaker 2: texts and I'll save the really tricky one for second.

1171
01:07:48,135 --> 01:07:52,095
Speaker 2: But anyway, here we go. Freshly painted bedroom walls, two

1172
01:07:52,135 --> 01:07:55,535
Speaker 2: of them on the south wall after four weeks have

1173
01:07:55,735 --> 01:07:59,855
Speaker 2: started sweating from the top down. But it's not water

1174
01:08:00,015 --> 01:08:03,695
Speaker 2: as it's sticky. Is this affectant leeching? And if so,

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01:08:04,135 --> 01:08:07,615
Speaker 2: what would I do to fix it? From Sarah J it.

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01:08:07,615 --> 01:08:12,375
Speaker 13: Sounds like affectant legion. The only thing you can do

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01:08:12,575 --> 01:08:18,495
Speaker 13: is to basically get some fresh, warm water in a

1178
01:08:18,575 --> 01:08:22,935
Speaker 13: nice clean cloth and wash those wolves down. As soon

1179
01:08:22,975 --> 01:08:25,135
Speaker 13: as you see that sort of effect, you've really got

1180
01:08:25,135 --> 01:08:28,615
Speaker 13: to actually get onto it then wipe it away. What

1181
01:08:28,695 --> 01:08:34,495
Speaker 13: it is, it basically is surffactants, which is basically soap

1182
01:08:36,335 --> 01:08:39,455
Speaker 13: that are an ingredient in the paint. If it's moist

1183
01:08:39,895 --> 01:08:42,455
Speaker 13: or if it's very humid at the time of curing

1184
01:08:42,535 --> 01:08:44,855
Speaker 13: and things like that, it can draw those affectants out

1185
01:08:44,895 --> 01:08:47,655
Speaker 13: and leave a shiny, sort of sticky residue on the surface.

1186
01:08:48,975 --> 01:08:50,895
Speaker 13: It doesn't hurt the paint at all, but if you

1187
01:08:50,975 --> 01:08:53,535
Speaker 13: do leave it for any length of time. It can,

1188
01:08:54,855 --> 01:09:00,015
Speaker 13: you know, leave some marks behind, not soapy water, just

1189
01:09:00,135 --> 01:09:02,335
Speaker 13: warm fresh water and just wipe it off.

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01:09:02,655 --> 01:09:09,415
Speaker 2: Brilliant. Okay, So do that today, basically, don't leave it there, yeah, brilliant. Okay.

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01:09:10,855 --> 01:09:13,295
Speaker 2: Question for the razine guy that's you. Is there one

1192
01:09:13,415 --> 01:09:17,095
Speaker 2: paint I can use on my ceilings, walls and woodwork?

1193
01:09:18,135 --> 01:09:18,375
Speaker 7: Can?

1194
01:09:18,415 --> 01:09:19,055
Speaker 2: I say?

1195
01:09:19,295 --> 01:09:19,335
Speaker 5: No?

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01:09:21,095 --> 01:09:23,535
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No.

1197
01:09:23,655 --> 01:09:29,535
Speaker 13: I Well, I'm speaking just from my personal preference. There

1198
01:09:29,575 --> 01:09:32,975
Speaker 13: is space coat lochine and space coat flat yep, that

1199
01:09:33,055 --> 01:09:35,335
Speaker 13: you can that you could use on a ceiling and

1200
01:09:35,015 --> 01:09:38,055
Speaker 13: the wall. But if it's coming to joinery and things

1201
01:09:38,095 --> 01:09:40,815
Speaker 13: like that, I prefer to have something with a bit

1202
01:09:40,855 --> 01:09:42,775
Speaker 13: of a gloss and make it easy to keep clean.

1203
01:09:44,095 --> 01:09:46,375
Speaker 13: Finger marks and stuff on the joinery and around the

1204
01:09:46,375 --> 01:09:50,095
Speaker 13: door angles and stuff like that. You would have to

1205
01:09:50,175 --> 01:09:54,815
Speaker 13: use at least a water based enamel. Normal acrylics will

1206
01:09:55,335 --> 01:09:57,455
Speaker 13: just stick together if the door shuts on it and

1207
01:09:57,495 --> 01:10:02,815
Speaker 13: things like that. Sure, yes, space coat flat you could

1208
01:10:02,895 --> 01:10:04,855
Speaker 13: use on the walls and the ceilings, but I would

1209
01:10:05,095 --> 01:10:11,215
Speaker 13: use something like luster or our new waterborn gloss of

1210
01:10:11,215 --> 01:10:13,895
Speaker 13: animals that we've got out now to be quiet good

1211
01:10:13,935 --> 01:10:14,295
Speaker 13: as well.

1212
01:10:14,775 --> 01:10:16,175
Speaker 2: I kind of look at it and go. You know,

1213
01:10:16,215 --> 01:10:18,735
Speaker 2: there's a reason that there's a lot of research by

1214
01:10:18,775 --> 01:10:20,735
Speaker 2: paint companies, and I know there's a lot of research

1215
01:10:20,775 --> 01:10:25,415
Speaker 2: by Razine into specific paints for specific purposes. And you know,

1216
01:10:25,535 --> 01:10:28,095
Speaker 2: we want maybe flat on the ceilings, we want a

1217
01:10:28,095 --> 01:10:30,255
Speaker 2: bit of semi gloss on the walls, we want something

1218
01:10:30,295 --> 01:10:32,735
Speaker 2: harder wearing on the timber, you know, et cetera. And

1219
01:10:32,775 --> 01:10:35,015
Speaker 2: that's why we've got the different paints. It's it's not

1220
01:10:35,095 --> 01:10:37,455
Speaker 2: a marketing ploy. It's that we want them to do

1221
01:10:37,495 --> 01:10:39,855
Speaker 2: different things. And that's why we have different types of

1222
01:10:39,895 --> 01:10:42,735
Speaker 2: paint painted all the same color. But hey, use the

1223
01:10:42,775 --> 01:10:45,055
Speaker 2: right paint in the right place, right he Is there

1224
01:10:45,095 --> 01:10:47,055
Speaker 2: a way to paint kitchen cabinets that have got a

1225
01:10:47,175 --> 01:10:51,295
Speaker 2: laminate finish? Just trying to refresh the kitchen right now?

1226
01:10:51,335 --> 01:10:54,495
Speaker 2: There are revolting their words gray brown color and I

1227
01:10:54,575 --> 01:10:59,935
Speaker 2: just want them white. So I'd always say, yeah, but

1228
01:11:00,535 --> 01:11:03,015
Speaker 2: you've got to be realistic about the outcome. But in

1229
01:11:03,095 --> 01:11:05,255
Speaker 2: terms of painting laminates, what would you do?

1230
01:11:06,375 --> 01:11:09,975
Speaker 13: Well, we do have a product called well it's basically

1231
01:11:09,975 --> 01:11:13,015
Speaker 13: a laminate primer vell Mine and laminate primer. It's called

1232
01:11:14,335 --> 01:11:17,815
Speaker 13: which is an adhesion primer. You've got to clean those

1233
01:11:18,135 --> 01:11:20,135
Speaker 13: kitchen cupboards down. You've got to get rid of any

1234
01:11:20,215 --> 01:11:22,095
Speaker 13: grease or anything if it's you know, obviously it's in

1235
01:11:22,135 --> 01:11:24,695
Speaker 13: the kitchen. You know, they take a bit of a

1236
01:11:24,695 --> 01:11:28,095
Speaker 13: beating in terms of you know, all sorts of stuff

1237
01:11:28,135 --> 01:11:30,135
Speaker 13: that can happen in the kitchen, people, you know, throwing

1238
01:11:30,135 --> 01:11:34,335
Speaker 13: food around. But yeah, so you've got to clean those down.

1239
01:11:35,535 --> 01:11:40,615
Speaker 13: Then put the laminate primer on me that dry, keep

1240
01:11:40,655 --> 01:11:43,135
Speaker 13: the temperatures up because it does take a while to

1241
01:11:43,215 --> 01:11:47,695
Speaker 13: cure and very very cold temperatures quick dry and then

1242
01:11:47,815 --> 01:11:52,175
Speaker 13: lusticril or something like that will do it after that.

1243
01:11:52,375 --> 01:11:54,895
Speaker 13: But yes, like you say, you've got to be realistic

1244
01:11:54,935 --> 01:11:57,895
Speaker 13: about it. You know, it will it will chip, you know,

1245
01:11:58,095 --> 01:12:01,895
Speaker 13: it's yeah, it'll it'll give it a lift, but you know,

1246
01:12:01,975 --> 01:12:03,295
Speaker 13: you've just got to keep an eye on it.

1247
01:12:03,375 --> 01:12:06,975
Speaker 2: In terms of durability. You've got to be realistic. This

1248
01:12:07,055 --> 01:12:09,815
Speaker 2: is a good one eighties Lockwood House. Is there much

1249
01:12:09,895 --> 01:12:13,855
Speaker 2: involved in painting over the wood? I guess it's important

1250
01:12:13,855 --> 01:12:16,175
Speaker 2: to say that over the wood will be a poly erathane,

1251
01:12:16,175 --> 01:12:19,495
Speaker 2: So you're effectively trying to paint over polyurethane which is

1252
01:12:19,575 --> 01:12:21,655
Speaker 2: over t Yeah, yeah.

1253
01:12:22,095 --> 01:12:25,015
Speaker 13: Yeah, again, you know, you've got to clean all those

1254
01:12:25,055 --> 01:12:27,535
Speaker 13: surfaces down, give them a bit of a sand ups,

1255
01:12:27,615 --> 01:12:31,335
Speaker 13: move them out. Traditionally they've got lots of knots and

1256
01:12:31,335 --> 01:12:33,655
Speaker 13: stuff in there, which is part of the character of them,

1257
01:12:33,655 --> 01:12:39,215
Speaker 13: I guess. And once you've done that and done your preparation,

1258
01:12:40,015 --> 01:12:44,975
Speaker 13: you can put a coat of water born Surecy, which

1259
01:12:45,015 --> 01:12:47,335
Speaker 13: is a new product of ouse on the Market's been

1260
01:12:47,375 --> 01:12:50,135
Speaker 13: out for a year or so, I would think, but

1261
01:12:50,255 --> 01:12:54,135
Speaker 13: it makes an excellent digesion primer. Right, don't use it

1262
01:12:54,135 --> 01:12:56,935
Speaker 13: on lemonade, though, We've got a specific primer for that.

1263
01:12:58,815 --> 01:13:01,535
Speaker 13: And then you know, a white undercoat on top and

1264
01:13:01,615 --> 01:13:05,255
Speaker 13: whatever color you want to put on that so it

1265
01:13:05,295 --> 01:13:06,895
Speaker 13: can be done excellent.

1266
01:13:07,615 --> 01:13:10,015
Speaker 2: I've done it myself. Actually, there you go. You're right.

1267
01:13:10,415 --> 01:13:13,975
Speaker 2: Can you advise on repainting a bathroom ceiling There has

1268
01:13:14,095 --> 01:13:16,935
Speaker 2: been some mold and some flaking paint from Andrew?

1269
01:13:19,055 --> 01:13:21,375
Speaker 13: Yeah, well you've got to obviously clean down the ceiling,

1270
01:13:21,415 --> 01:13:24,695
Speaker 13: get rid of ale mold and everything like that, and

1271
01:13:24,735 --> 01:13:27,135
Speaker 13: then give it a really good sanding, which is something

1272
01:13:27,135 --> 01:13:28,575
Speaker 13: I've got to do and I haven't got around to.

1273
01:13:29,375 --> 01:13:30,255
Speaker 2: Yeah, me both.

1274
01:13:33,175 --> 01:13:37,895
Speaker 13: Yeah, So basically, you know, sand all smooth, you know,

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01:13:38,095 --> 01:13:40,055
Speaker 13: just flaking paint and everything like that. You've got to

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01:13:40,095 --> 01:13:42,215
Speaker 13: feather those edges out so you know, give the whole

1277
01:13:42,255 --> 01:13:45,895
Speaker 13: ceiling a good sanding. It's a it's a character building job.

1278
01:13:46,295 --> 01:13:47,975
Speaker 13: So you're looking up and then you get a crook

1279
01:13:48,015 --> 01:13:49,735
Speaker 13: in your neck and everything like that, but you know,

1280
01:13:50,455 --> 01:13:53,815
Speaker 13: stand it very very well, and then go around and

1281
01:13:53,935 --> 01:13:57,335
Speaker 13: undercoat all the areas that you've sanded smooth. You know,

1282
01:13:57,375 --> 01:13:59,975
Speaker 13: if there's any exposed timber and stuff like that. Yes,

1283
01:14:00,735 --> 01:14:03,775
Speaker 13: I would imagine if it's a bathroom ceiling and a

1284
01:14:03,855 --> 01:14:06,095
Speaker 13: numb of enamel has been used, So I'm going to

1285
01:14:06,415 --> 01:14:10,135
Speaker 13: that is read at the moment. And generally, if you

1286
01:14:10,295 --> 01:14:13,135
Speaker 13: if you've sanded it up and it's all all looking

1287
01:14:13,175 --> 01:14:15,335
Speaker 13: great and you've spot primed it and everything like that,

1288
01:14:15,775 --> 01:14:17,655
Speaker 13: you can put two cups of enamel straight over the

1289
01:14:17,655 --> 01:14:20,655
Speaker 13: top of it. You have to figure out exactly what

1290
01:14:20,775 --> 01:14:22,975
Speaker 13: sort of paint went on the ceiling in the first place.

1291
01:14:24,775 --> 01:14:29,415
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and what's the new one the velvet there?

1292
01:14:29,655 --> 01:14:31,975
Speaker 2: I used it the other day on a broom. Yeah,

1293
01:14:33,055 --> 01:14:35,415
Speaker 2: m hmm. That you guys have got like it's a

1294
01:14:35,455 --> 01:14:39,655
Speaker 2: water based enamel, isn't it water water born?

1295
01:14:39,735 --> 01:14:45,375
Speaker 13: Sorry? There is a difference in terms of you know,

1296
01:14:45,775 --> 01:14:48,375
Speaker 13: when it's wet, you know, you can clean your brushes

1297
01:14:48,375 --> 01:14:50,815
Speaker 13: and up and water. You can clean up a mess,

1298
01:14:50,855 --> 01:14:52,815
Speaker 13: you know, if your spills, if it's still there, you

1299
01:14:52,855 --> 01:14:54,135
Speaker 13: can clean them up with water.

1300
01:14:54,615 --> 01:14:54,735
Speaker 5: Ye.

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01:14:55,055 --> 01:14:58,215
Speaker 13: Once the product dries or gets to a point where

1302
01:14:58,215 --> 01:14:59,975
Speaker 13: it is drying, you have to use it. You have

1303
01:15:00,015 --> 01:15:01,015
Speaker 13: to revert to tips.

1304
01:15:01,415 --> 01:15:05,095
Speaker 2: Oh really basically, Yeah, it's how interesting.

1305
01:15:05,175 --> 01:15:07,935
Speaker 13: It's very strange technology.

1306
01:15:07,975 --> 01:15:08,255
Speaker 14: And I.

1307
01:15:10,495 --> 01:15:12,655
Speaker 13: Don't pretend to know all about it, but you know,

1308
01:15:12,775 --> 01:15:15,735
Speaker 13: it's it's the same with you know, a woodsman stain

1309
01:15:15,895 --> 01:15:18,855
Speaker 13: that's water borne as well, but it's an oil that's

1310
01:15:18,895 --> 01:15:21,255
Speaker 13: been convinced to float around in water, and once the

1311
01:15:21,335 --> 01:15:24,335
Speaker 13: water evaporates off, you know, it reverts to being an

1312
01:15:24,335 --> 01:15:24,855
Speaker 13: oil again.

1313
01:15:25,215 --> 01:15:35,095
Speaker 2: Yeah, native timber painted weatherboards so old Cowrie or remove

1314
01:15:35,135 --> 01:15:38,255
Speaker 2: boards with some hollows. Is there a filler to make

1315
01:15:38,335 --> 01:15:42,655
Speaker 2: it smooth? So they've used bog, which you can't use

1316
01:15:42,695 --> 01:15:47,815
Speaker 2: over painted surfaces. So if you're doing exterior repaint and

1317
01:15:47,895 --> 01:15:50,055
Speaker 2: you want to use, what filler would you typically use?

1318
01:15:52,615 --> 01:15:55,975
Speaker 13: Well, I mean there's there's It depends on how bad

1319
01:15:56,015 --> 01:16:00,015
Speaker 13: the knocks and the holes are. I suppose, yes, it's huge.

1320
01:16:00,295 --> 01:16:06,615
Speaker 13: You know, you may want to Yeah, I mean to

1321
01:16:06,615 --> 01:16:08,415
Speaker 13: get there's a number of things you could start with,

1322
01:16:08,535 --> 01:16:11,215
Speaker 13: you know, just a plane, water water born sort of

1323
01:16:11,735 --> 01:16:15,255
Speaker 13: contract fillery which which you'd have to go through a

1324
01:16:15,295 --> 01:16:19,055
Speaker 13: prime on your boards first, right, go around, fill everything

1325
01:16:19,695 --> 01:16:21,855
Speaker 13: and then sand that fill of smooth once it's dry,

1326
01:16:21,935 --> 01:16:24,335
Speaker 13: and then get another coat of paint or undercoat over

1327
01:16:24,375 --> 01:16:27,295
Speaker 13: the top of that fillar before it gets damped because

1328
01:16:27,335 --> 01:16:29,455
Speaker 13: of you know, water born fillers, if they get water

1329
01:16:29,535 --> 01:16:32,895
Speaker 13: into them, they just expand and and you have to

1330
01:16:32,895 --> 01:16:34,535
Speaker 13: dig it all out and start all over again.

1331
01:16:35,295 --> 01:16:37,815
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's really important just in generally

1332
01:16:38,015 --> 01:16:41,375
Speaker 2: that if you fill, you need to spot prime what

1333
01:16:41,495 --> 01:16:45,455
Speaker 2: you've filled, because I've seen in a number of places

1334
01:16:45,495 --> 01:16:48,335
Speaker 2: where you know, maybe you've used a pre primed board

1335
01:16:48,535 --> 01:16:50,255
Speaker 2: and then you just put the filler and go over

1336
01:16:50,295 --> 01:16:52,615
Speaker 2: with the top coat, but you can see where the

1337
01:16:52,655 --> 01:16:55,015
Speaker 2: filler is. So I think it's really important to spot

1338
01:16:55,095 --> 01:16:57,415
Speaker 2: prime over the top of your fillers.

1339
01:16:58,855 --> 01:17:01,095
Speaker 13: You know, I've got a couple of contractors that you know,

1340
01:17:01,135 --> 01:17:04,015
Speaker 13: with a pre prime board for instance, you know, they

1341
01:17:05,255 --> 01:17:08,855
Speaker 13: the builder goes around all these nails and everything in

1342
01:17:07,655 --> 01:17:13,055
Speaker 13: and then you can get around and you patch fill

1343
01:17:13,095 --> 01:17:15,455
Speaker 13: all these nails and if you don't undicate the whole board.

1344
01:17:15,535 --> 01:17:19,335
Speaker 13: For instance, you up the little dots everywhere, yep. Yeah,

1345
01:17:19,455 --> 01:17:21,375
Speaker 13: and you know when the light shines across it, you

1346
01:17:21,375 --> 01:17:23,615
Speaker 13: can see where all the fillow's been. So a full

1347
01:17:23,695 --> 01:17:26,055
Speaker 13: undericate on a pre prime board is always a good thing.

1348
01:17:26,255 --> 01:17:29,015
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one too. Radio. Hey,

1349
01:17:29,095 --> 01:17:32,295
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time and your expertise. As always, Bryce

1350
01:17:32,775 --> 01:17:35,095
Speaker 2: from Razine, Thanks very much for your time this morning.

1351
01:17:35,855 --> 01:17:37,055
Speaker 13: Okay, I'll see you awesome.

1352
01:17:37,135 --> 01:17:40,535
Speaker 2: Take care, Radio, and remember if you're looking for good advice,

1353
01:17:40,615 --> 01:17:42,735
Speaker 2: make sure you talk to the team at your local

1354
01:17:42,855 --> 01:17:45,895
Speaker 2: Rasine color shop. It is twelve minutes away from eight.

1355
01:17:45,935 --> 01:17:47,895
Speaker 2: We'll take a few more calls. We've got new sport

1356
01:17:47,895 --> 01:17:49,255
Speaker 2: and we're the top of the are. At eight, We're

1357
01:17:49,295 --> 01:17:52,335
Speaker 2: going to have a quick conversation with Scott Fisher from

1358
01:17:52,495 --> 01:17:56,775
Speaker 2: Offsite New Zealand. Now they are not for profit industry

1359
01:17:56,815 --> 01:18:02,295
Speaker 2: wide body that looks to promote and support off site manufacture,

1360
01:18:02,375 --> 01:18:05,415
Speaker 2: which is something that's growing. But the reason I reached

1361
01:18:05,415 --> 01:18:07,615
Speaker 2: out to them the other day is that, and it

1362
01:18:07,655 --> 01:18:10,335
Speaker 2: was in the news a couple of weeks ago. For example,

1363
01:18:10,815 --> 01:18:15,495
Speaker 2: Fletcher Building, which ran the clever Core off site manufacturer

1364
01:18:15,535 --> 01:18:19,775
Speaker 2: Modular Construction have closed down their line. So what is

1365
01:18:19,815 --> 01:18:23,055
Speaker 2: it about off site manufacture that we just can't seem

1366
01:18:23,095 --> 01:18:25,775
Speaker 2: to make it work in New Zealand. Big question. We'll

1367
01:18:25,775 --> 01:18:28,335
Speaker 2: have a chat with Scott Fisher from Offsite New Zealand

1368
01:18:28,735 --> 01:18:31,015
Speaker 2: after eight o'clock. Then we'll continue with your calls and

1369
01:18:31,055 --> 01:18:32,895
Speaker 2: then at eight point thirty, of course we're into the

1370
01:18:32,895 --> 01:18:36,015
Speaker 2: garden with red climb pass. So action pack morning this morning.

1371
01:18:36,695 --> 01:18:38,735
Speaker 2: A couple of texts that I'll try and answer as

1372
01:18:38,735 --> 01:18:41,215
Speaker 2: well before we go to the break at top of

1373
01:18:41,255 --> 01:18:42,735
Speaker 2: the hour at eight o'clock. But if you'd like to

1374
01:18:42,735 --> 01:18:45,135
Speaker 2: call if you've got a question, eight hundred and eighty

1375
01:18:45,255 --> 01:18:46,735
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number.

1376
01:18:46,975 --> 01:18:50,735
Speaker 1: Measure twise God was, but maybe call Pete first, Peter

1377
01:18:50,815 --> 01:18:53,135
Speaker 1: WOLFCAF the resident Builder News Talk.

1378
01:18:53,175 --> 01:18:56,415
Speaker 2: Sa'd be a couple of other texts that are here

1379
01:18:56,495 --> 01:19:00,935
Speaker 2: as well. Can you paint old powder coded aluminium? Yeah,

1380
01:19:00,975 --> 01:19:03,495
Speaker 2: you can paint it, but it'll look like painted powder

1381
01:19:03,495 --> 01:19:07,375
Speaker 2: coated aluminium. So I think if you after a really

1382
01:19:07,495 --> 01:19:10,775
Speaker 2: good job, I would probably go to the professional, someone

1383
01:19:10,775 --> 01:19:14,175
Speaker 2: like Nano Clear and have them come in so and

1384
01:19:15,015 --> 01:19:18,855
Speaker 2: do it professionally. There are some refurbishing polishes that you

1385
01:19:18,895 --> 01:19:21,175
Speaker 2: can use to try and get the luster back. But

1386
01:19:21,215 --> 01:19:23,575
Speaker 2: if you're after a really good finish, I'd go to

1387
01:19:24,815 --> 01:19:28,335
Speaker 2: the professionals, like Nano Clear or something like that. Do

1388
01:19:28,535 --> 01:19:30,735
Speaker 2: Razine have a micro cement that can be applied over

1389
01:19:30,855 --> 01:19:33,175
Speaker 2: laminate benches? This is a very interesting one because I've

1390
01:19:33,215 --> 01:19:37,015
Speaker 2: just done little project using a new product called microstone.

1391
01:19:37,415 --> 01:19:41,095
Speaker 2: It's on the way from Razine. It's in development, is

1392
01:19:41,175 --> 01:19:45,295
Speaker 2: Razine Construction System. So we did it over a concrete

1393
01:19:45,335 --> 01:19:51,975
Speaker 2: bench top. Yeah, more to come in. It's in development,

1394
01:19:52,015 --> 01:19:58,295
Speaker 2: so stand by. I'll bring an update on that. Can

1395
01:19:58,335 --> 01:20:01,335
Speaker 2: you paint over a laminate floor? The issue is whether

1396
01:20:01,415 --> 01:20:05,255
Speaker 2: it'll stick right. Don't worry, we'll get our Razine guys

1397
01:20:05,295 --> 01:20:07,935
Speaker 2: back in the next couple of weeks. We'll take more

1398
01:20:08,335 --> 01:20:13,455
Speaker 2: of your questions before the break. Brent, good morning.

1399
01:20:14,495 --> 01:20:19,455
Speaker 8: We've got I've got a place house we're redecorating and

1400
01:20:19,495 --> 01:20:24,175
Speaker 8: we've ripped up. It's built in nine ninety four's. It's

1401
01:20:24,215 --> 01:20:31,135
Speaker 8: got concrete head floor, slab and just brick clothing. Yep,

1402
01:20:31,975 --> 01:20:33,775
Speaker 8: we're ripped out the cap and founder the crack from

1403
01:20:33,815 --> 01:20:35,975
Speaker 8: one side of the house to the other about six

1404
01:20:36,055 --> 01:20:40,255
Speaker 8: mills wide. There's no cracks in the cleaning or the

1405
01:20:40,455 --> 01:20:45,615
Speaker 8: or the foundation. Yep, there's no moisture that's come through. Yep,

1406
01:20:46,815 --> 01:20:48,455
Speaker 8: How I should what I should do with that before

1407
01:20:48,455 --> 01:20:49,615
Speaker 8: we've got a new cabin.

1408
01:20:49,375 --> 01:20:53,735
Speaker 2: Now, Like, the main issue is if there was any

1409
01:20:54,175 --> 01:20:56,895
Speaker 2: called displacement, right, if one side of the slab is

1410
01:20:57,015 --> 01:21:00,175
Speaker 2: higher than the other, so something's lifted or something's dropped.

1411
01:21:00,215 --> 01:21:04,495
Speaker 2: But if it's relatively flat across either side of that join,

1412
01:21:05,135 --> 01:21:07,535
Speaker 2: then I would just and I was in one of

1413
01:21:07,575 --> 01:21:11,415
Speaker 2: the large stores the other day and these all sorts

1414
01:21:11,455 --> 01:21:14,695
Speaker 2: of like crack repair compounds that you can buy, So

1415
01:21:14,815 --> 01:21:18,335
Speaker 2: I would just fill or grout the crack with one

1416
01:21:18,335 --> 01:21:22,015
Speaker 2: of those compounds, just off the shelf. Do that before

1417
01:21:22,015 --> 01:21:25,175
Speaker 2: you lay the floor, before you do new flooring over

1418
01:21:25,215 --> 01:21:30,975
Speaker 2: the top. You know, six millimeters starting to get quite

1419
01:21:31,055 --> 01:21:34,615
Speaker 2: big as a crack. But you know, the remediation would

1420
01:21:34,615 --> 01:21:38,775
Speaker 2: involve cutting the slab out, epoxying starters into either side

1421
01:21:38,815 --> 01:21:42,055
Speaker 2: of the slab, redoing the DPC underneath it, and pouring

1422
01:21:42,095 --> 01:21:44,375
Speaker 2: new concrete. None of that really, I don't think you

1423
01:21:44,415 --> 01:21:46,975
Speaker 2: really need to do. I would just grout it and

1424
01:21:47,055 --> 01:21:48,655
Speaker 2: then carpet over the top of it.

1425
01:21:50,215 --> 01:21:53,695
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, yeah, it seems to be we're taking a

1426
01:21:53,775 --> 01:21:59,135
Speaker 8: wood burner and the obviously then cracked their originally put

1427
01:21:59,135 --> 01:22:02,935
Speaker 8: the wood burner and then tape it over, but it's

1428
01:22:02,975 --> 01:22:07,815
Speaker 8: obviously got then the tie under the woodburner of correct

1429
01:22:07,855 --> 01:22:11,055
Speaker 8: after there it might have been the originally then and

1430
01:22:11,095 --> 01:22:13,655
Speaker 8: then the earthquake may have just.

1431
01:22:13,535 --> 01:22:15,095
Speaker 2: A little bit gave that a little bit of a

1432
01:22:15,175 --> 01:22:18,055
Speaker 2: jiggle and the you go, but look, if it hasn't displaced,

1433
01:22:18,055 --> 01:22:20,015
Speaker 2: then I probably wouldn't do too much in terms of

1434
01:22:20,015 --> 01:22:23,415
Speaker 2: the repair other than Philip, So good luck with that, Brett.

1435
01:22:23,575 --> 01:22:26,255
Speaker 2: Now after the news, we're going to have a conversation

1436
01:22:26,295 --> 01:22:30,455
Speaker 2: with Scott Fisher from Prefab Sorry with Offsite New Zealand

1437
01:22:31,095 --> 01:22:33,535
Speaker 2: our off site manufacture, and then we'll get into the

1438
01:22:33,535 --> 01:22:35,255
Speaker 2: garden with Root back after the.

1439
01:22:35,215 --> 01:22:38,655
Speaker 1: News doing other house extorting the.

1440
01:22:38,615 --> 01:22:40,135
Speaker 2: Garden asked Pete for a hand.

1441
01:22:40,455 --> 01:22:46,615
Speaker 1: The resident builder with Peter Wolfcap calls dogs'd your.

1442
01:22:46,455 --> 01:22:48,855
Speaker 2: News talks the'd be welcome back to the program. Eight

1443
01:22:48,975 --> 01:22:51,175
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1444
01:22:51,215 --> 01:22:53,535
Speaker 2: if you've got some building questions. We'll take those through

1445
01:22:53,615 --> 01:22:55,895
Speaker 2: till eight thirty. Then we're going to jump into the

1446
01:22:55,935 --> 01:23:02,055
Speaker 2: garden at eight thirty. What I like about the show

1447
01:23:04,015 --> 01:23:08,015
Speaker 2: is that it's an opportunit you also not just I

1448
01:23:08,055 --> 01:23:11,335
Speaker 2: love talking about the practical stuff, right the DIY, the

1449
01:23:11,615 --> 01:23:15,335
Speaker 2: fixing floorboards, repairing things, doing the maintenance, but I think

1450
01:23:15,335 --> 01:23:18,255
Speaker 2: it's also good that we talk about the sort of

1451
01:23:18,255 --> 01:23:25,735
Speaker 2: broader issues around housing, construction, changes, adaptation, innovation, all of

1452
01:23:25,775 --> 01:23:29,175
Speaker 2: this with regard to buildings, so kind of the theoretical

1453
01:23:29,255 --> 01:23:32,215
Speaker 2: as well as the practical. And one of the things

1454
01:23:32,255 --> 01:23:35,495
Speaker 2: that has shifted in the landscape. I was going to say,

1455
01:23:35,535 --> 01:23:37,375
Speaker 2: is it a recent thing, But in some ways it's not.

1456
01:23:37,535 --> 01:23:41,455
Speaker 2: We've often had off site manufacture, and in fact, one

1457
01:23:41,495 --> 01:23:44,815
Speaker 2: of the things I've got at home is old catalogs

1458
01:23:45,135 --> 01:23:50,015
Speaker 2: showing bay windows and components for buildings, and these were

1459
01:23:50,055 --> 01:23:53,415
Speaker 2: made off site and delivered when people were building old

1460
01:23:53,495 --> 01:23:55,815
Speaker 2: villas like mine, which is getting close to one hundred

1461
01:23:55,855 --> 01:23:59,455
Speaker 2: and twenty years old. You could buy the kitsette gables,

1462
01:23:59,495 --> 01:24:02,295
Speaker 2: and you could buy the joinery and that sort of thing.

1463
01:24:02,295 --> 01:24:04,575
Speaker 2: So off site manufacture has been with us for a while.

1464
01:24:06,375 --> 01:24:10,855
Speaker 2: But in this I saw this story came up earlier

1465
01:24:10,895 --> 01:24:15,055
Speaker 2: in April, one of the country's largest prefab house builders

1466
01:24:15,175 --> 01:24:18,375
Speaker 2: is shutting up shop. And a lack of bro a

1467
01:24:18,495 --> 01:24:21,255
Speaker 2: lack of broader support for off site manufacture is a

1468
01:24:21,295 --> 01:24:24,615
Speaker 2: big reason in industry. Inside it says so. Fletcher Building

1469
01:24:24,655 --> 01:24:26,855
Speaker 2: announced on Monday, a couple of weeks ago that it

1470
01:24:26,855 --> 01:24:29,895
Speaker 2: had made the difficult decision to close its off site

1471
01:24:29,935 --> 01:24:33,975
Speaker 2: manufacturing business, clever Core. The giant clever Core factory and

1472
01:24:34,015 --> 01:24:37,895
Speaker 2: Werry in South Auckland open to much fanfare in twenty nineteen,

1473
01:24:38,455 --> 01:24:41,135
Speaker 2: but a Fletcher Building spokesperson said the site would be

1474
01:24:41,215 --> 01:24:45,455
Speaker 2: winding down operations by June the thirtieth. Got me thinking

1475
01:24:45,495 --> 01:24:49,335
Speaker 2: about what is it about us that we can't seem

1476
01:24:49,375 --> 01:24:53,335
Speaker 2: to make this whole off site manufacture stick? Like one

1477
01:24:53,375 --> 01:24:56,335
Speaker 2: of the things often discussions, people go, well, what we

1478
01:24:56,375 --> 01:24:57,735
Speaker 2: need to do is we need to get more off

1479
01:24:57,735 --> 01:25:00,455
Speaker 2: site manufacture. And then when we have a go at it,

1480
01:25:00,535 --> 01:25:02,815
Speaker 2: if one of our largest companies can't make it work,

1481
01:25:02,975 --> 01:25:03,815
Speaker 2: what's going on?

1482
01:25:03,975 --> 01:25:04,175
Speaker 13: Well?

1483
01:25:04,215 --> 01:25:07,255
Speaker 2: Who better to us than Scott Fisher from Offsite New Zealand,

1484
01:25:07,335 --> 01:25:10,295
Speaker 2: and Scott joins me this morning. Thanks for joining us, Scott,

1485
01:25:11,215 --> 01:25:13,935
Speaker 2: Thank you, Peter in good morning, Good morning. Now hey,

1486
01:25:13,935 --> 01:25:18,495
Speaker 2: look just people might people might know about prefabs, they

1487
01:25:18,535 --> 01:25:23,655
Speaker 2: might know about modular construction offsite manufacture, but what does

1488
01:25:23,815 --> 01:25:27,055
Speaker 2: offsite represent? Who do you represent?

1489
01:25:28,415 --> 01:25:31,775
Speaker 15: Look, we are an industry body, so we represent anyone

1490
01:25:31,815 --> 01:25:37,455
Speaker 15: that's interested in building better building differently around innovation, so

1491
01:25:37,695 --> 01:25:40,695
Speaker 15: we represent that sector. We represent those members, but we

1492
01:25:40,775 --> 01:25:45,015
Speaker 15: also work really closely with border industry and government policymakers

1493
01:25:45,055 --> 01:25:48,695
Speaker 15: around regulations about being supportive of the sector.

1494
01:25:49,615 --> 01:25:52,575
Speaker 2: And so the idea around off site manufacture, which is

1495
01:25:52,655 --> 01:25:58,695
Speaker 2: kind of the summary title that we'd use for modular

1496
01:25:58,735 --> 01:26:02,655
Speaker 2: construction assembly of complete buildings, so that I guess there's

1497
01:26:02,655 --> 01:26:06,775
Speaker 2: a variety, isn't there. There's offsite manufacturers a wall oponents

1498
01:26:07,015 --> 01:26:11,535
Speaker 2: or entire wall sections or complete houses. There's a spectrum,

1499
01:26:11,855 --> 01:26:13,375
Speaker 2: sure right.

1500
01:26:13,295 --> 01:26:17,295
Speaker 15: Yeah, and Peter too opening comments it's not new. It's

1501
01:26:17,335 --> 01:26:21,455
Speaker 15: been around for one hundred plus years. Pen Carrow Lighthouse

1502
01:26:21,495 --> 01:26:24,695
Speaker 15: and Wellington Heads was built in England and shipped out

1503
01:26:24,695 --> 01:26:29,575
Speaker 15: here in eighteen eighty something and reassembled the Kipay Homes

1504
01:26:29,575 --> 01:26:34,215
Speaker 15: of building. They've been building offsite manufactured homes in all

1505
01:26:34,215 --> 01:26:38,575
Speaker 15: constance in nineteen fifty. So it's not new. Probably it's

1506
01:26:38,655 --> 01:26:42,695
Speaker 15: expanding and its applications are probably much broader and wider

1507
01:26:42,735 --> 01:26:46,775
Speaker 15: than they have been as the industry develops, and for

1508
01:26:46,815 --> 01:26:51,815
Speaker 15: the fact that look it's organically growing. Probably represented about

1509
01:26:51,855 --> 01:26:57,095
Speaker 15: three percent of building value ten years ago, that's grown

1510
01:26:57,215 --> 01:27:01,735
Speaker 15: to about twelve percent globally. It's a trend that's increasing

1511
01:27:02,575 --> 01:27:06,655
Speaker 15: and essentially it's in response and it's getting support kind

1512
01:27:06,655 --> 01:27:11,255
Speaker 15: of those truisms of construction. And we all know if

1513
01:27:11,295 --> 01:27:15,295
Speaker 15: we were a house builder renovating, you know, I don't

1514
01:27:15,295 --> 01:27:16,895
Speaker 15: know how much it's going to cost, I don't know

1515
01:27:16,895 --> 01:27:18,855
Speaker 15: when it's going to be finished, and I'm not too

1516
01:27:18,895 --> 01:27:23,415
Speaker 15: sure the quality. Now, those truisms are true today as

1517
01:27:23,455 --> 01:27:25,535
Speaker 15: they were ten years ago, and they will be true

1518
01:27:25,575 --> 01:27:27,695
Speaker 15: in ten years time if we don't change the way

1519
01:27:27,695 --> 01:27:31,535
Speaker 15: that we do things. And the offsite manufacturing part of

1520
01:27:31,575 --> 01:27:35,895
Speaker 15: the border construction industry is a part solution to addressing

1521
01:27:36,455 --> 01:27:39,615
Speaker 15: those challenges because we have a we have well, the

1522
01:27:39,655 --> 01:27:43,655
Speaker 15: industry has poor productivity. It's probably lest it was more

1523
01:27:43,655 --> 01:27:47,295
Speaker 15: productive in the nineteen seventies than it is today. We

1524
01:27:47,415 --> 01:27:52,735
Speaker 15: have workforce and skill challenges. We have very limited competition,

1525
01:27:52,855 --> 01:27:56,935
Speaker 15: particularly in New Zealand, and that won't be news to anybody.

1526
01:27:57,935 --> 01:28:01,855
Speaker 15: We have material cost inflation, so the longer it takes

1527
01:28:01,895 --> 01:28:05,375
Speaker 15: to build something, you get exposed to that cost inflation.

1528
01:28:05,495 --> 01:28:08,895
Speaker 15: A few squad ease that up. You can control your

1529
01:28:08,895 --> 01:28:14,295
Speaker 15: costs and the carbon footprint of the construction industry is massive,

1530
01:28:15,375 --> 01:28:17,735
Speaker 15: and I think the offside industry we put our hand

1531
01:28:17,775 --> 01:28:20,095
Speaker 15: up and say, actually, we can help with all of

1532
01:28:20,135 --> 01:28:23,735
Speaker 15: those problems that the broader industry faces.

1533
01:28:24,055 --> 01:28:27,615
Speaker 2: And I get so, you know, we've like a couple

1534
01:28:27,655 --> 01:28:31,495
Speaker 2: of years ago, or probably ten twelve years ago in

1535
01:28:31,575 --> 01:28:35,095
Speaker 2: christ Church, Concision was an idea that hey, let's do

1536
01:28:35,375 --> 01:28:40,895
Speaker 2: offsite manufacturer, let's do pre assembled components for an entire house,

1537
01:28:40,935 --> 01:28:43,695
Speaker 2: then we'll ship it to site. Again with clever Core,

1538
01:28:43,855 --> 01:28:47,295
Speaker 2: you know, there was much fanfare about all of the

1539
01:28:47,335 --> 01:28:50,415
Speaker 2: panels being assembled in the factory, delivered to site, and

1540
01:28:50,455 --> 01:28:53,255
Speaker 2: the house two story house out at Hobsmble Point. We're

1541
01:28:53,295 --> 01:28:55,295
Speaker 2: going to put it up in five to six days.

1542
01:28:55,655 --> 01:28:58,615
Speaker 2: We'll be fully enclosed, weather tightan five to seven days.

1543
01:28:59,215 --> 01:29:03,615
Speaker 2: So what is it about, Because I suppose it's mixed signals.

1544
01:29:03,655 --> 01:29:06,255
Speaker 2: We're getting these large I'm not going to call them failure,

1545
01:29:06,415 --> 01:29:08,375
Speaker 2: but they've had to go and they've decided they're not

1546
01:29:08,415 --> 01:29:11,415
Speaker 2: going to continue. And yet, like I've been in factories

1547
01:29:11,415 --> 01:29:15,215
Speaker 2: where they're pumping out hundreds of houses a year. So

1548
01:29:15,815 --> 01:29:19,375
Speaker 2: what do you see happening in terms of some success

1549
01:29:19,415 --> 01:29:20,935
Speaker 2: and some failure? Seemingly?

1550
01:29:21,855 --> 01:29:25,455
Speaker 15: Yeah, and look, and the industry does face headwinds and

1551
01:29:25,495 --> 01:29:27,895
Speaker 15: again not unique to New Zealand. The global issues of

1552
01:29:27,975 --> 01:29:31,615
Speaker 15: the industry faces, particularly when you get disruptors coming along

1553
01:29:32,455 --> 01:29:36,735
Speaker 15: to try and use solutions and kind of with those failures,

1554
01:29:36,975 --> 01:29:39,375
Speaker 15: if you like to call them that. For every one

1555
01:29:39,415 --> 01:29:41,895
Speaker 15: of those, there's you know, another ten successes and another

1556
01:29:41,975 --> 01:29:44,975
Speaker 15: companies doing really well. You know, companies have their own

1557
01:29:44,975 --> 01:29:49,255
Speaker 15: particular reasons for winding things down or shutting things down.

1558
01:29:50,015 --> 01:29:52,855
Speaker 15: You know, I think with Clevercorp. And others. You know,

1559
01:29:52,935 --> 01:29:56,055
Speaker 15: it's certainly a very challenging industry at the moment, and

1560
01:29:56,095 --> 01:29:58,855
Speaker 15: it has been for the last eighteen months. Sure, you've

1561
01:29:58,855 --> 01:30:02,775
Speaker 15: got an economic downturn, You've probably got well, we definitely have.

1562
01:30:02,815 --> 01:30:06,215
Speaker 15: Government policy is not as at the support of levels

1563
01:30:06,295 --> 01:30:08,815
Speaker 15: where it should be as we see overseas where it

1564
01:30:08,855 --> 01:30:12,975
Speaker 15: can be. You know, some companies will be interesting. With

1565
01:30:13,335 --> 01:30:16,255
Speaker 15: Fletcher Living, you know, to what extent did they fully

1566
01:30:16,375 --> 01:30:20,135
Speaker 15: utilize the Clever core system because I think long term

1567
01:30:20,175 --> 01:30:24,855
Speaker 15: they have the intention of supplying the broader group homebuilder

1568
01:30:25,135 --> 01:30:28,255
Speaker 15: supply chain. So you know, there's probably some questions that

1569
01:30:28,375 --> 01:30:30,855
Speaker 15: I can't answer. I can kind of ponder and wonder,

1570
01:30:31,815 --> 01:30:34,695
Speaker 15: and I've obviously made a strategic decision. I think in

1571
01:30:34,735 --> 01:30:38,535
Speaker 15: the case of both Concision and clever Core, the glimmer

1572
01:30:38,575 --> 01:30:42,055
Speaker 15: of good news is that they're not shuttering those businesses.

1573
01:30:42,615 --> 01:30:46,415
Speaker 15: Concision was sold to South Base and they continued on

1574
01:30:46,655 --> 01:30:50,415
Speaker 15: under in a fab and continue to do so. My

1575
01:30:50,535 --> 01:30:54,095
Speaker 15: understanding from Fletcher's is that clever Core will be turned

1576
01:30:54,095 --> 01:30:58,135
Speaker 15: into a frame and trust operation, which is an off

1577
01:30:58,135 --> 01:31:01,975
Speaker 15: site manufacturing solution. This at the very beginning, it's the

1578
01:31:02,015 --> 01:31:06,775
Speaker 15: baby step of the off site solution, and the the

1579
01:31:06,815 --> 01:31:09,975
Speaker 15: good news is the much shuttering it, they're keeping it

1580
01:31:10,015 --> 01:31:13,695
Speaker 15: going and hopefully in a year's time two year's time,

1581
01:31:13,695 --> 01:31:16,335
Speaker 15: when the economy picks up, they can turn back on

1582
01:31:16,615 --> 01:31:20,455
Speaker 15: that value add back onto the frames. As call was.

1583
01:31:21,095 --> 01:31:23,255
Speaker 2: Do you think that that for those of us of

1584
01:31:23,295 --> 01:31:28,535
Speaker 2: a certain generational vintage, when you hear the word prefab right, prefabrication,

1585
01:31:29,495 --> 01:31:32,495
Speaker 2: we tend to think of shoddy classrooms that maybe we

1586
01:31:32,615 --> 01:31:35,415
Speaker 2: inhabited as kids when we're at school, and it's kind

1587
01:31:35,415 --> 01:31:38,175
Speaker 2: of put us off the whole idea of having a

1588
01:31:38,295 --> 01:31:45,215
Speaker 2: factory built dwelling. And so the notion of prefab tends

1589
01:31:45,295 --> 01:31:51,135
Speaker 2: to be synonymous somehow with slightly shonky or unstable and

1590
01:31:51,175 --> 01:31:53,735
Speaker 2: so on. And I guess off site manufacturer is a

1591
01:31:53,735 --> 01:31:56,535
Speaker 2: way of introducing a new concept which says, actually you

1592
01:31:56,575 --> 01:31:59,575
Speaker 2: can get really high quality built in an environment where

1593
01:31:59,615 --> 01:32:03,815
Speaker 2: you're not impacted by wind and rain and delays caused

1594
01:32:03,815 --> 01:32:05,895
Speaker 2: by weather and that sort of thing. So in fact

1595
01:32:05,935 --> 01:32:08,415
Speaker 2: we can get a higher standard. But you know, from

1596
01:32:08,495 --> 01:32:11,375
Speaker 2: a consumer point of view, do we still run into

1597
01:32:11,375 --> 01:32:14,935
Speaker 2: a bit of a mental block around the notion of prefab.

1598
01:32:15,855 --> 01:32:18,495
Speaker 15: I think we do. It's not only it's not only

1599
01:32:18,575 --> 01:32:21,695
Speaker 15: consumer point of view, it's actually the border construction industry

1600
01:32:21,695 --> 01:32:24,935
Speaker 15: point of view. If we go back to those classrooms

1601
01:32:24,975 --> 01:32:28,655
Speaker 15: after World War Two, Actually the problem wasn't the classrooms.

1602
01:32:28,815 --> 01:32:31,655
Speaker 15: Classrooms were probably designed to last for about two three years,

1603
01:32:31,655 --> 01:32:34,855
Speaker 15: taken off site and be replaced. The problem was that

1604
01:32:34,895 --> 01:32:38,695
Speaker 15: they continue to be years they used by and so

1605
01:32:38,815 --> 01:32:42,895
Speaker 15: then everyone's blaming the building. It was a policy failing,

1606
01:32:42,975 --> 01:32:46,015
Speaker 15: not a building failure, right, And I think the industry

1607
01:32:46,055 --> 01:32:51,855
Speaker 15: today is completely different. And you're right, it's those component parts,

1608
01:32:52,535 --> 01:32:56,095
Speaker 15: you know, the complete building back of the truck is

1609
01:32:56,175 --> 01:32:59,775
Speaker 15: very much part of the industry. And that's but this

1610
01:33:00,095 --> 01:33:03,895
Speaker 15: the big middle. If you like the component part, the

1611
01:33:03,975 --> 01:33:09,615
Speaker 15: floor as set, the sheep of floors and walls, you know,

1612
01:33:09,655 --> 01:33:13,615
Speaker 15: the pre assembled rooms. You know, you can have bathroom pods,

1613
01:33:13,735 --> 01:33:17,455
Speaker 15: you can, you know, the applications is broad and very sure.

1614
01:33:17,615 --> 01:33:21,015
Speaker 15: The panel can be as basic as simply a rigid

1615
01:33:21,055 --> 01:33:23,815
Speaker 15: air barier on that frame, all the way up to

1616
01:33:24,655 --> 01:33:28,015
Speaker 15: our doors and windows and electrics and plumbing and everything else.

1617
01:33:28,135 --> 01:33:33,015
Speaker 15: So what is available to the consumer and also the

1618
01:33:33,095 --> 01:33:37,735
Speaker 15: broader industry is light years ahead today than what it was,

1619
01:33:37,975 --> 01:33:40,295
Speaker 15: you know, sixty seventy eighty years ago.

1620
01:33:41,175 --> 01:33:43,335
Speaker 2: We weren't necessarily going to discuss this, but I've been

1621
01:33:43,375 --> 01:33:47,695
Speaker 2: intrigued with some recent comments from Erica Stanford as the

1622
01:33:48,015 --> 01:33:52,655
Speaker 2: Education Minister, talking about I suppose government looking at procurement

1623
01:33:52,775 --> 01:33:57,335
Speaker 2: of new classrooms and shifting to offsite manufacture and the

1624
01:33:57,375 --> 01:33:59,575
Speaker 2: savings that got there. Do you want to make a

1625
01:33:59,575 --> 01:34:00,295
Speaker 2: comment on that.

1626
01:34:01,135 --> 01:34:05,095
Speaker 15: Absolute and look, and we applaud MOE, which we are

1627
01:34:05,095 --> 01:34:09,855
Speaker 15: hopeful that other government the departments follow suit then very quickly.

1628
01:34:10,415 --> 01:34:17,015
Speaker 15: So MOB has clearly identified prefabrication and standardization as a

1629
01:34:17,255 --> 01:34:22,335
Speaker 15: key strategy to build quicker, better and with much more

1630
01:34:22,375 --> 01:34:25,695
Speaker 15: price certainty. So they get it. And the MOE team

1631
01:34:26,095 --> 01:34:28,015
Speaker 15: the great team, and they've been doing good work for

1632
01:34:28,055 --> 01:34:30,575
Speaker 15: a very very long time, and we're encouraged that they're

1633
01:34:30,575 --> 01:34:34,335
Speaker 15: continuing on with that. Hopefully they'll lead by They are

1634
01:34:34,415 --> 01:34:37,535
Speaker 15: leading by example, but hopefully the broader you know, because

1635
01:34:37,535 --> 01:34:41,615
Speaker 15: there's defense, there's community housing, is caring or others. If

1636
01:34:41,655 --> 01:34:46,655
Speaker 15: they follow very quickly in mos fotsteps be very encouraged

1637
01:34:46,775 --> 01:34:49,975
Speaker 15: and that's very supportive of the industry and it means

1638
01:34:50,015 --> 01:34:54,255
Speaker 15: that then the industry can grow. I think that the

1639
01:34:54,375 --> 01:34:59,375
Speaker 15: really important part, particularly for government, is the key understanding

1640
01:34:59,535 --> 01:35:04,655
Speaker 15: the difference between construction and manufacturing. With construction, you can

1641
01:35:04,695 --> 01:35:10,015
Speaker 15: scale up and scale down very cost affectively. The differences

1642
01:35:10,055 --> 01:35:14,255
Speaker 15: with manufacturing and clever core and concision and others know

1643
01:35:14,415 --> 01:35:17,815
Speaker 15: this firsthand. When you invest a lot of money in

1644
01:35:17,895 --> 01:35:21,695
Speaker 15: plants and equipment and processes and what have you, you

1645
01:35:21,815 --> 01:35:26,255
Speaker 15: need to follow a manufacturing discipline where you are feeding

1646
01:35:26,615 --> 01:35:30,495
Speaker 15: I suppose that machine, if you like, and driving the efficiencies.

1647
01:35:30,775 --> 01:35:34,935
Speaker 15: Whereas a manufacturing process can't start and stop. As soon

1648
01:35:34,975 --> 01:35:38,935
Speaker 15: as it's slow down or stopped, all of the benefits

1649
01:35:38,935 --> 01:35:44,295
Speaker 15: that are there and available can quite easily evaporate. And

1650
01:35:44,375 --> 01:35:47,055
Speaker 15: so this is some of the challenges that the industry

1651
01:35:47,095 --> 01:35:50,375
Speaker 15: faces globally. But some countries have got it right. You know,

1652
01:35:50,535 --> 01:35:54,975
Speaker 15: Sweden's eighty percent of houses are built within factories, are

1653
01:35:55,015 --> 01:36:00,895
Speaker 15: Singapore seventy of decent. Australia's introducing some really good supportive

1654
01:36:00,975 --> 01:36:06,495
Speaker 15: policies for the sector. And in those countries where industry

1655
01:36:06,615 --> 01:36:12,655
Speaker 15: and government and policy aligne they are solving their housing problems,

1656
01:36:13,655 --> 01:36:18,975
Speaker 15: Whereas when there's a disconnect between those two, unfortunately, what

1657
01:36:19,135 --> 01:36:22,055
Speaker 15: happens that an industry will often default back to what

1658
01:36:22,135 --> 01:36:26,295
Speaker 15: it is comfortable with and what it knows. And we

1659
01:36:26,415 --> 01:36:29,615
Speaker 15: are today, you know, we're still typically building a house

1660
01:36:30,095 --> 01:36:34,135
Speaker 15: the way we built it in the nineteen forty, which

1661
01:36:34,175 --> 01:36:35,375
Speaker 15: is kind of unaccepted.

1662
01:36:35,375 --> 01:36:35,535
Speaker 9: Why.

1663
01:36:35,575 --> 01:36:39,055
Speaker 15: I don't know any other industry that is out there

1664
01:36:39,095 --> 01:36:41,415
Speaker 15: that is probably still doing what it did in the

1665
01:36:41,495 --> 01:36:42,695
Speaker 15: nineteen nineteen forties.

1666
01:36:42,815 --> 01:36:46,455
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting image. Actually, we're starting to get

1667
01:36:46,455 --> 01:36:48,775
Speaker 2: a couple of texts and so on, but we're not

1668
01:36:48,815 --> 01:36:50,735
Speaker 2: going to have time for it today. So I'm thinking

1669
01:36:50,735 --> 01:36:52,575
Speaker 2: that we will get you back on the show and

1670
01:36:52,615 --> 01:36:55,415
Speaker 2: maybe we'll take some questions on this. One of the

1671
01:36:55,455 --> 01:36:58,975
Speaker 2: interesting ones that's come through is around mortgages and around

1672
01:36:59,415 --> 01:37:04,095
Speaker 2: perhaps a reluctance from lenders to accept this new innovation

1673
01:37:04,415 --> 01:37:06,935
Speaker 2: that you know, my house isn't going to get cobbled

1674
01:37:06,975 --> 01:37:10,295
Speaker 2: together on site. It's going to arrive on site, but

1675
01:37:10,335 --> 01:37:13,055
Speaker 2: I need to pay for it before it arrives. And

1676
01:37:13,095 --> 01:37:14,735
Speaker 2: how do you do lending around that? So we can

1677
01:37:14,775 --> 01:37:17,495
Speaker 2: talk about that, And I think to your point about

1678
01:37:17,495 --> 01:37:21,375
Speaker 2: the manufacture, the image that I've heard described as kind

1679
01:37:21,375 --> 01:37:24,135
Speaker 2: of the oil tanker, right, So it takes a long

1680
01:37:24,215 --> 01:37:26,135
Speaker 2: time for an oil tanker to get up to speed,

1681
01:37:26,215 --> 01:37:28,135
Speaker 2: and it takes a long time for it to slow

1682
01:37:28,175 --> 01:37:31,255
Speaker 2: down or turn around. And that's why with manufacturing you

1683
01:37:31,375 --> 01:37:34,015
Speaker 2: want to keep going pretty much flat out all of

1684
01:37:34,095 --> 01:37:34,535
Speaker 2: the time.

1685
01:37:35,615 --> 01:37:35,975
Speaker 13: Correct.

1686
01:37:36,135 --> 01:37:40,255
Speaker 15: Yes, Yeah, it's kind of a what we term in

1687
01:37:40,335 --> 01:37:44,855
Speaker 15: the industry to be able to shift from startup to

1688
01:37:44,975 --> 01:37:48,695
Speaker 15: scale up. Right, What often happens is within the off

1689
01:37:48,735 --> 01:37:51,735
Speaker 15: site sector is that businesses can kind of get stuck

1690
01:37:51,775 --> 01:37:55,375
Speaker 15: in the startup mode and what they need. And if

1691
01:37:55,415 --> 01:37:58,935
Speaker 15: you think of any other industry, you know, whether it's technology,

1692
01:37:59,375 --> 01:38:02,175
Speaker 15: you know you need to very quickly get out of

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01:38:02,175 --> 01:38:05,775
Speaker 15: the startup phase and get up to scale because the

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01:38:05,895 --> 01:38:10,975
Speaker 15: scale all drive the volume and the efficiencies and the speed,

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01:38:11,215 --> 01:38:14,615
Speaker 15: it can bring down the price. But if you can't,

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01:38:14,655 --> 01:38:19,855
Speaker 15: and that's why government's super important for pro policies they don't.

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Speaker 15: And when we say government support, this is not about

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01:38:23,175 --> 01:38:27,335
Speaker 15: you know, kind of one hundred supporting these sort of industries.

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01:38:27,375 --> 01:38:31,895
Speaker 15: They need to compete, but often they will need just

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01:38:31,935 --> 01:38:35,935
Speaker 15: a little little gearshift change that comes with that policy

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01:38:36,015 --> 01:38:40,095
Speaker 15: setting and then they're away. And you know, I think

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01:38:40,295 --> 01:38:43,815
Speaker 15: I go back to the truisms of building as a

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01:38:43,815 --> 01:38:47,495
Speaker 15: as a society. If we want better buildings, if we

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01:38:47,535 --> 01:38:49,855
Speaker 15: want them quicker, if we want them of high quality,

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01:38:49,935 --> 01:38:55,575
Speaker 15: high performance, less wasteful, then I think there is a

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01:38:55,695 --> 01:39:01,095
Speaker 15: role where mandates and incentives can shift right behavior.

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Speaker 2: And I've got some thoughts on that as well. Scott,

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01:39:04,535 --> 01:39:07,215
Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining us with number of techs,

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01:39:07,295 --> 01:39:09,615
Speaker 2: so I'll reach out to you, will arrange another time.

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01:39:09,655 --> 01:39:13,055
Speaker 2: We'll take some calls and some questions from people as well.

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01:39:13,095 --> 01:39:16,455
Speaker 2: But Scott Fisher from Offsite New Zealand, thanks very much

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01:39:16,495 --> 01:39:17,415
Speaker 2: for your time this morning.

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01:39:18,055 --> 01:39:19,295
Speaker 15: Thank you, Peter, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Take care. If you want to check them out, just

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Speaker 2: search for off Site ENZ online. There's some good information

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Speaker 2: on their website. And yes, I will certainly make sure

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Speaker 2: we get Scott back lots to discuss and unpack there

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Speaker 2: two seven three six zero news Talk ZB. We've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of texts after that conversation with Scott Fisher

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01:41:02,415 --> 01:41:06,815
Speaker 2: from Offsite New Zealand. So it's a body that presents

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01:41:06,855 --> 01:41:10,375
Speaker 2: I guess the interests of the off site manufacturing community,

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01:41:10,895 --> 01:41:13,375
Speaker 2: and I will I'll make a a diary to perhaps

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01:41:13,375 --> 01:41:16,175
Speaker 2: get Scott back at some stage in the near future,

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01:41:16,655 --> 01:41:19,975
Speaker 2: and we'll have an opportunity perhaps to have some of

1749
01:41:20,455 --> 01:41:23,655
Speaker 2: your calls and your contributions and your questions and your challenges,

1750
01:41:23,695 --> 01:41:26,695
Speaker 2: because you know, someone's text through and said, look, a

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01:41:26,695 --> 01:41:29,015
Speaker 2: house built in the nineteen forties is light years better

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01:41:29,055 --> 01:41:32,735
Speaker 2: than the house built today. Wrong, like to be blunt,

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01:41:32,815 --> 01:41:36,455
Speaker 2: just wrong. I disagree with you completely. You know, I

1754
01:41:36,455 --> 01:41:38,775
Speaker 2: see where you're coming from, but I think you're wrong.

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01:41:41,335 --> 01:41:43,935
Speaker 2: New Zealand's boom and bus building activity is not helpful

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01:41:43,975 --> 01:41:47,895
Speaker 2: for the manufacture of prefabricated home that's difficult to overcome. Yeah,

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01:41:47,935 --> 01:41:50,135
Speaker 2: it is. And to be blunt, I went and did

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01:41:50,175 --> 01:41:58,015
Speaker 2: an interview, Ah, the guy who's at aut and you know,

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01:41:58,335 --> 01:42:01,455
Speaker 2: sort of going, look, can we get past the spoom

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01:42:01,495 --> 01:42:04,775
Speaker 2: and bus cycle thing in the construction sector. No, it's

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01:42:04,855 --> 01:42:08,935
Speaker 2: just in built, built into capitalism basically, so we're going

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01:42:08,975 --> 01:42:11,615
Speaker 2: to see this. But can we even out the highs

1763
01:42:11,615 --> 01:42:13,895
Speaker 2: and lows? Can we adjust some of the settings? Can

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01:42:13,935 --> 01:42:16,855
Speaker 2: we promote off site manufacture? And I love the fact

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01:42:16,895 --> 01:42:20,215
Speaker 2: too that in the discussion at the moment, you know

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01:42:20,215 --> 01:42:21,895
Speaker 2: there's a couple of groups that are going well. On

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01:42:22,015 --> 01:42:25,655
Speaker 2: site manufacturer is an option as well that you standardize

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01:42:25,655 --> 01:42:29,335
Speaker 2: your processes and so on. I love bespoke building, right,

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01:42:29,455 --> 01:42:31,975
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it. I've built so many houses that

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01:42:32,015 --> 01:42:35,855
Speaker 2: have been individual for a designer working with a client

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01:42:35,935 --> 01:42:39,495
Speaker 2: to achieve an individual outcome. But let's not kid ourselves

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01:42:39,535 --> 01:42:43,895
Speaker 2: that that's a way to affordability. It's not. It's always

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01:42:43,975 --> 01:42:45,615
Speaker 2: going to be part of the landscape. The reason that

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01:42:45,655 --> 01:42:48,455
Speaker 2: we love watching Grand Designs and other programs like that

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01:42:48,615 --> 01:42:50,895
Speaker 2: is because people go, this is what I want. I

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01:42:50,935 --> 01:42:55,095
Speaker 2: want this bespoke, beautifully crafted building for me to live in,

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01:42:55,215 --> 01:42:57,615
Speaker 2: which is great, but it's only ever part of the solution.

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01:42:57,735 --> 01:43:00,215
Speaker 2: And again, where I like what off site saying is

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01:43:00,255 --> 01:43:02,655
Speaker 2: that you know we're part of the solution. Right If

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01:43:02,695 --> 01:43:06,575
Speaker 2: you want lots of buildings or more buildings with some

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01:43:06,655 --> 01:43:11,775
Speaker 2: standardization to a high standard that will help affordability, then

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01:43:12,015 --> 01:43:14,735
Speaker 2: off site and maybe even on site manufacture is the

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01:43:14,775 --> 01:43:17,215
Speaker 2: way to go. Just before we go to the break

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01:43:17,655 --> 01:43:19,535
Speaker 2: and we jump into the garden with red client past,

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01:43:19,615 --> 01:43:21,895
Speaker 2: I do want to draw your attention to something that

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01:43:22,215 --> 01:43:25,175
Speaker 2: is us going to say, not personal, but I have

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01:43:25,255 --> 01:43:28,775
Speaker 2: a connection with this and they need help, and so

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01:43:28,815 --> 01:43:30,735
Speaker 2: I'm going to appeal to you if you want to

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01:43:30,735 --> 01:43:34,215
Speaker 2: help out. On Friday on the north shore of Auckland

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01:43:34,455 --> 01:43:39,215
Speaker 2: Abilities Group which do two really important things. One they're

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01:43:39,255 --> 01:43:43,495
Speaker 2: active in recycling, which is essential, and two they provide

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01:43:43,535 --> 01:43:47,855
Speaker 2: employment to people that would otherwise not have opportunities in

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01:43:48,095 --> 01:43:51,935
Speaker 2: conventional employment. So they work with people with special needs,

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01:43:52,095 --> 01:43:54,775
Speaker 2: disabled groups and so on, and they provide employment for

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01:43:54,855 --> 01:43:59,455
Speaker 2: almost one hundred disabled employees. Now their building is burnt

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01:43:59,615 --> 01:44:04,455
Speaker 2: to the ground. It was a massive fire and obviously

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01:44:04,495 --> 01:44:08,295
Speaker 2: there is going to be significant which is hard enough

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01:44:08,335 --> 01:44:11,895
Speaker 2: for any workers, but if you're a person with special

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01:44:11,935 --> 01:44:17,695
Speaker 2: needs and a disability, then that's incredibly disruptive. And so

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Speaker 2: from a social point of view, the loss of that

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01:44:20,735 --> 01:44:23,535
Speaker 2: building and that industry for a period of time is

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01:44:23,575 --> 01:44:25,695
Speaker 2: going to have a dramatic impact not just on the

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01:44:25,775 --> 01:44:28,095
Speaker 2: economy but on the lives of the people involved there.

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01:44:28,975 --> 01:44:32,335
Speaker 2: I've been there. I've dropped off computers, I've dropped off cardboard,

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01:44:32,335 --> 01:44:34,815
Speaker 2: I've dropped off polystyrene. Over the years, they do a

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01:44:34,855 --> 01:44:39,335
Speaker 2: phenomenal job. They're probably going to need some help. My

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01:44:39,455 --> 01:44:41,335
Speaker 2: understanding is someone has set up and give a little

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01:44:41,375 --> 01:44:43,175
Speaker 2: page for them, or if there are other ways that

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01:44:43,215 --> 01:44:45,575
Speaker 2: you want to support them. I really hope that they're

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01:44:45,615 --> 01:44:47,575
Speaker 2: able to get back onto their feet, that they can

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01:44:47,615 --> 01:44:49,735
Speaker 2: find a new premises, that they can get back to

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01:44:49,775 --> 01:44:53,495
Speaker 2: the really important work of recycling, but more importantly, that

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01:44:53,615 --> 01:44:58,215
Speaker 2: they can also provide that security and sense of purpose

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01:44:58,815 --> 01:45:01,695
Speaker 2: and meaning to those one hundred people that they have

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01:45:01,975 --> 01:45:05,495
Speaker 2: employed over the years. So I know Peter, who's part

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01:45:05,535 --> 01:45:08,055
Speaker 2: of the management team. There is a phenomenal guy. I

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01:45:08,135 --> 01:45:10,175
Speaker 2: know the work that they do. It's amazing. If you

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01:45:10,215 --> 01:45:13,215
Speaker 2: can help out, please do. We're back and we're into

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01:45:13,255 --> 01:45:16,535
Speaker 2: the garden. After the Spraak the red climb passed on

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01:45:16,575 --> 01:45:16,935
Speaker 2: his way.

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Speaker 6: Good squeaky door.

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01:45:19,455 --> 01:45:20,495
Speaker 2: Or squeaky floor.

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcamp, the Resident Builder

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Speaker 1: on News Talks EDB. For more from the Resident Builder

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