1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: With us on the huddle, we have David Farreh of 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Kiwi Blog and Curia and Jack Tame of Q and 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: A and host of Saturday mornings on ZBH. Are you too, David? 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Have you had a look at the Greens budget and 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: out of ten, how awesome is it? 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: I'd probably say an eighty eight. For that's how much 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: billions of tax that they're wanting to do impose on 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: people for if you work, if you savor, if you die. 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: So not have big fair. 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Now, Jack, Now, Jack nor I know that normally you are, 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: you know, a little bit more sympathetic to the Greens 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: than I perhaps am. 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 3: So how you're feeling about this alternative budget? 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, if David chose an eighty eight out 15 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 4: of ten, I two thirty three, which I think is 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 4: the new the new tax rate for inheritance over a 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 4: million dollars, I can see going down super Well. I mean, look, 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 4: it's look, I find it interesting that in an economy 19 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: where we all agree, I think that New Zealand's got 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 4: this kind of long lasting productivity problem, why you don't 21 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 4: want to incentivize work, Like, why you don't want to 22 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 4: incentivize people to work really hard? And sometimes to have 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 4: two jobs if needs be, so that they can get ahead. Now, 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 4: I don't think that our tax system is perfectly balanced 25 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 4: at the moment, But one of the things that I 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 4: think isn't right is that at the moment income is 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 4: taxed pretty keenly, but other forms of wealth or revenue. 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: Aren't necessarily Have you made this. 29 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 4: No, no, this this is to say that I don't. 30 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: I don't. 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 4: When I look at the Greens budget, it's like tax 32 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: everywhere basically is going up. 33 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: So it's a tax that. 34 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 4: You're earning from from from from income, from working a job, 35 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 4: POYE is going up like it's it's across the board. 36 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: And I would have thought that they to make it 37 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: slightly more politically palatable. There might be some other payoffs 38 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 4: where they might say, Okay, if we are going to 39 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: picture wealth tax or pitch an inheritance tax, or yes, 40 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 4: a private jet tax, all of these things, then we're 41 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 4: going to try and reduce taxes more substantially in some 42 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 4: of these other areas. 43 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Is but yeah, no, tex Switch. Hey David, do you 44 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: ever when you do polling with Curia, do you ever 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: look at the drag that the Greens have on labor, 46 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: like how how how much the Greens make it harder 47 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: for people to vote for labor. 48 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do look at that. It's really interesting. What 49 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: we tend to do is we ask people what do 50 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: you think of these party leaders? And on the center right, 51 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: it's interesting national voters for some time of like David Seymour, 52 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: But really interesting is they really like Winston now. But 53 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: on the left, labor voters really don't like Tiparty Mari leaders, 54 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: and they're not that keen on the Green leaders either. 55 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: People mistake labor activists with labor voters. They're very different people. 56 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: And I actually think the biggest challenge labor has got 57 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: into the election will be the Greens anti party. 58 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: Mariy Yes, I would agree with that, yep. And this 59 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: makes worse, doesn't it, Jake? 60 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean I suppose like it's relatively a 61 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 4: relatively easy play for labor if they really wanted to. 62 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: I mean, they're going to get stuck in the ruling 63 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 4: and ruling it out game in the eighteen months leading 64 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 4: up to the election, no matter whether they want or otherwise. 65 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 4: But I mean, can we think of a major economic 66 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 4: policy that they've had in the past, in any sort 67 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 4: of government that they've adopted from the Greens. I can't 68 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 4: think of one of the Greens have. 69 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: Never been this big, and that's the that's the most relevant. 70 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 4: Thing what happens on election day. Yeah, I mean, by 71 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 4: the nature of the Greens and the way the party works, 72 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 4: it's not like they have any alternatives if they want 73 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 4: to be in government rather than going with Labor, right, 74 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 4: because they effectively automatically ruled out going with National which 75 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: means they have absolutely no bargaining chips. So Labor, if 76 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: it ever came to a negotiation, could say, right, you 77 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: can be with us, you can accept all of our 78 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: economic policy, or you can just spend another. 79 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: Three year the important out and you're right. 80 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: But the important thing is that Labour needs to say 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: that before the election, and not to the Greens. They 82 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: need to say to voters. They need to say, this 83 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: rainbow in Unicorn's budget that we just got from the 84 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: Greens is crap. None of it's ever happening, don't worry 85 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: about it. 86 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: That's what they need to do. 87 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon. Oh sorry, David, I was going to 88 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: say that works when you're really big party of government, 89 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: when you're at forty two forty three percent, they get 90 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: two ministers outside kidnet. But when that's a three way 91 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: coalition and all the Poles say that's. 92 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: Are you there? Am I stuck with you? 93 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: Jack? Yeah? Well I don't frame it like that, thank you. 94 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: I just wondered. 95 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 4: I thought maybe David had had dropped a certain word 96 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 4: and that we'd all been cut off in. 97 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: And was like, enough of that, Let's take this. 98 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: There's enough that we've heard that enough later, David. Yeah, 99 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 4: I mean to David's point, though, he's totally right, like 100 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: you definitely have like the only way at the moment 101 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: the pole suggests that Labor you know, or that that 102 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 4: Chris Hipkins might be the next prime minister is with 103 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: a three party coalition, right, so which which does change 104 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: those coalitions or support negotiation dynamics once again? 105 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeh listen, we need to take a really break. Will 106 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: come back right. 107 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: You're back with the huddle, David, listen, is this the 108 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: first time? Do you think that the sea bomb's been 109 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: dropped in Parliament? 110 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 4: First time? 111 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: On purpose? John Carter many years ago tried to accuse 112 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: Labor of attempting a cunning stunt and he misspoke and 113 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: at top round five minutes of the house to resume order. 114 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: I was very careful myself there, not to speak from you, 115 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: but yes, it is the only time outside that I 116 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: can recall having said that, possibly the only time where 117 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: you can just fire. The biggest newspaper chain in New 118 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: Zealand is going to run an article that actually calls 119 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: female ministers the sea word. Then having one of those 120 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: ministers slurred that way respond, I think is appropriate and 121 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: it would have lost the powerful impact if she had 122 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: just said the sea word, because you knew what the 123 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: stuff article was meaning. 124 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: The thing is why she did It's jack was basically 125 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: to underscore the hypocrisy amongst the feminists on the left 126 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: who will come to the defense of women on their 127 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: side but not on the other side. 128 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: She's got a fair point, hasn't she. 129 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: Well. 130 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 4: I certainly think from Labour's perspective, it's baffling to me, 131 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 4: like totally puzzling why they would have brought the subject 132 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 4: down to the house like it's low hanging fruit. You 133 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: would have thought for Brook van Belden to immediately leap 134 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: upon it and say, ah, yes, okay, yes. The keen 135 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 4: feminists who also diligently defended Prime minister Desinder r Dern 136 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 4: and you know, said that she was subject to the 137 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: most appalling sexism. Now not being so forth right in 138 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 4: their defense of me. Funny how the tired turns. 139 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was totally. 140 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 4: Baffled why a Labor would bring it up. I mean, 141 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 4: you know, obviously the minister did have an option to 142 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 4: reference said word without saying said word. I agree with 143 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 4: David that it probably wouldn't have had the same impact. 144 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 4: It wouldn't be leading all the news sites around the country, 145 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 4: it wouldn't be doing a million views on YouTube and 146 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 4: ticked off by midnight tonight. That being said, yeah, I 147 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 4: think Brook van veld knew exactly what she was doing. 148 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 4: And I suppose the hypocrisy message can cut all ways, right, 149 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 4: so you can say, yes, the left are being hypocritical 150 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 4: by not standing up for her, But you could say, well, 151 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 4: Brook van Velden's being hypocritical. If she says that it's 152 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: such an offensive term, then why is she using in 153 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 4: the the house. 154 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: I am beyond huddled but staggered that Labor chose to 155 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: reference that column in front question. They have meetings where 156 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: they discussed their questions and how they possibly thought. Oh, 157 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: let's ask the minister if they agree with a Columny David. 158 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: Is it possibly because they have gone into a little 159 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: echo chamber of a whole bunch of people who think 160 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: the same, who are sharing it and going isn't this 161 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: wonderful that Andrea Vance said that that's probably the explanation. 162 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: That can only be the explanation. And you all know 163 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: that whenever some random throll on social media uses the 164 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: seaword against a politician, stuff runs article after article decrine it, 165 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: and here they run it in their own column. And 166 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: where are the feminists, Where's the National Council of Woman, 167 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: Where's the Human Rights Commission? Where's all the feminist MP's 168 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: and labor and Greens. They don't have to say they 169 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: like brock Orn on color. They just have to say 170 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: we hate their policy. But no politician should be called 171 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: the sea word. 172 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 4: And when you look at it, we're sorry here when 173 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,479 Speaker 4: you look at it from a like, from a strategic 174 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 4: perspective in the house, I mean, you know, Jantinini might 175 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 4: say that, oh, I didn't actually ask if Brook van 176 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: Velden agreed with the use of that term. The truth 177 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: is the moment that any parliamentary question reference that column 178 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: in any way. She could have said, does the minister 179 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: agree with the use of the full stop at the 180 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: end of that column? And you just know that was 181 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 4: immediately going to leap upon. 182 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: It, like it's so obvious. So yeah, there's totally deaftling 183 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: to me. 184 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 3: Stupid politics. Hey guys, thank you. It's always wonderful to 185 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: talk to you. 186 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: That is. 187 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: David Ferrer and Jack came a huddle this 188 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: Evening for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live 189 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 190 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.