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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from News talk edb TA Barcelona.

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Speaker 2: Team New Zealand's still unbeaten after three days of the

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Speaker 2: America's Cup warm up regatta.

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Speaker 3: So on a day when the wind has just tailed

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Speaker 3: off at the end of it, Camert's team is either

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Speaker 3: the defender of the Louis Viton thirty seven of the

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Speaker 3: America's Cup have done pretty much at the job, a

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Speaker 3: flawless job on a lyingy red bull Racing. They will

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Speaker 3: go into Sunday with a perfect record.

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Speaker 2: They are four from four out the Kiwi cru beating

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Speaker 2: Switzerland's a Lingey Racing by more than a minute, maintaining

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Speaker 2: their spot at the top of the leader board. Just

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Speaker 2: one more round robin race to go. That's tomorrow against

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Speaker 2: American Magic before the top two teams compete in the final.

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Speaker 2: Luna Rossa is second on the table three wins and

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Speaker 2: a loss. American Magic are third with a two to

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Speaker 2: two split. Now the Louis Vuton Cup round robin starts

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Speaker 2: next week. The semi final is scheduled for September fourteen

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Speaker 2: through twenty three, and the Louis Verton Final. To find

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Speaker 2: the Challenger between September twenty six and October seven. The

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Speaker 2: best of thirteen race series for the thirty seventh America's

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Speaker 2: Cup will be raced from October twelve through twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring in top match racing sailor and America's Cup

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Speaker 2: commentator Chris Steele, who was a huge part of News

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Speaker 2: Talks Heed best coverage of the last America's Cup regatta

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Speaker 2: in Auckland back in twenty twenty one. Chris, thanks for

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Speaker 2: taking the time. First of all, what's the reason for

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Speaker 2: holding this preliminary regatta.

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Speaker 4: Well, think it's a curtain raiser.

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Speaker 5: It's actually kind of as much for the organizers it

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Speaker 5: is for the teams, giving them.

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Speaker 4: A chance to get race ready.

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Speaker 5: So make sure all the software packages are working with

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Speaker 5: the race management software for the starts and timings and

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Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff. Then make sure that the

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Speaker 5: communications with the umpires and course masters.

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Speaker 4: And all that work as well.

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Speaker 5: From the race side of it, it's basically.

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Speaker 4: Practice run on that throne.

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Speaker 5: And then for the teams it gives them a chance to, yeah,

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Speaker 5: to line up and make sure that they can get

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Speaker 5: in an environment where there's nothing quite on the line

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Speaker 5: just yet, But like you said, it's only it's only

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Speaker 5: a week or so away before that they actually start

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Speaker 5: racing for proper points, so yeah, a lot of time

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Speaker 5: to make changes if they're having issues, which we have

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Speaker 5: seen in the last couple of days.

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Speaker 2: So will the teams be showing their full hand or not,

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Speaker 2: It's hard to say.

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Speaker 5: I think certainly you can probably say that the Kiwis

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Speaker 5: definitely won't be. They've got quite a bit more time

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Speaker 5: up the leave before they start racing for points they

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Speaker 5: actually count. But I think for the other teams they'll

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Speaker 5: be sailing as probably hard as they can. But whether

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Speaker 5: or not they're they're showing all their cards in terms

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Speaker 4: But I think the conditions are.

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Speaker 5: Definitely something that's playing a big part and the series.

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Speaker 5: We've already seen a range of conditions there in Barcelona

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Speaker 5: with the Sea States, and I think it's interesting to

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Speaker 5: see the different performances of the teams as those conditions shown.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it hasn't been too telling, i think from

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to talk more about the conditions soon,

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Speaker 2: but Team New Zealand is defend to set the rules,

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Speaker 2: and they've set them to allow themselves to compete in

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Speaker 2: Louis Vuitton Challenger Series. Why have they done that? Do

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Speaker 5: I think you know if you look at how complicated

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Speaker 5: these pots are and how much they're developing in such

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Speaker 5: always going to be able to get is actually physically

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Speaker 5: When you actually get out there and start racing physically

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Speaker 5: So I guess being able to race in the Challenges

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Speaker 4: So I'll learn a lot in that time.

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Speaker 5: On which areas their boat's going to be faster and

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Speaker 5: they'll have a much better idea of where their boat

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Speaker 2: Do you think the decision to take part this early

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Speaker 2: was partly based on twenty twenty one when they didn't

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Speaker 2: and we're a bit rusty to start in the America's

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Speaker 2: Cup match? What was it three all? I think after

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Speaker 2: six races, wasn't it? Before they won the next four?

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Speaker 2: Do you think twenty one would have played a part

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I do.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I think if you look back to that last

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Speaker 5: Key has definitely had a slightly faster boat in most areas,

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Speaker 5: But the Italians came out of the blocks really strong,

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Speaker 5: actually the seventh race that the Italians were sort of

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Speaker 5: leading coming to that last top mark, they could have

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Speaker 5: actually potentially won four races there and who knows what

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Speaker 5: could have happened after that. So I think it's a smart,

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Speaker 5: smart move from Teamy Zellen to put themselves into the

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Speaker 5: Challenges series. And like I said, you know, they don't

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Speaker 5: fast the boat can go, but they'll they'll learn a

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Speaker 5: lot from the boatom but Matt racing and where they

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Speaker 2: Chatting America's Cup with Chris Steele, Chris the AC seventy five.

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Speaker 2: Are they basically the same as what's use in sal GP?

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Speaker 4: No, they're quite different.

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Speaker 5: So sal GP is basically the f fifty canamarans, so

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Speaker 5: so fifty foot canamarans that they use berm so the

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Speaker 5: and they compared all those boats, made them one design.

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Speaker 5: So obviously the seventy five Minor Hells at the sale

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Speaker 5: quite a visually different to look at and in terms.

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Speaker 2: Of sailing them. Then will the core team new Zelling

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Speaker 5: It would definitely give them advantage in terms of being

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Speaker 5: able to sell another foiling boat paths around the racetrack.

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Speaker 5: But all those teams have been competed in sal GP

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Speaker 5: would be the American team. You've obviously got Tom Slingsby

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Speaker 5: so they're probably the one different different team that regards.

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Speaker 5: But I think they've done a lot of failing to

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Speaker 2: Team New Zealand also shared their boat design package with

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Speaker 2: the new French Challenger orient Express Racing. Will they be

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Speaker 2: able to learn much from watching the French sail and

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Speaker 2: the Louis Vuton or will it be more about what

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Speaker 5: I think they will, yeah, because and I've been sort

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Speaker 5: quite quite closely, because I think the French will Destiny

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Speaker 5: pushing pretty hard. So the boats are very similar visually.

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Speaker 5: I think I don't expect them to go very far

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Speaker 5: that's kind of what's cost them in a couple of races,

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Speaker 2: Ta Luna Rossa feel to you like the most likely

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the short answer would be yes. I

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Speaker 5: think that the Italian boat this time around has kind

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Speaker 5: So the two boats look a lot more similar. They're

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Speaker 5: So I think on paper, the Italians are probably the strongest,

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Speaker 5: I think their package it probably looks the most different

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Speaker 5: pathway with the recumbent cyclers and in a very sleek,

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Speaker 5: or not those cyclers can produce as much power and

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Speaker 5: a bit of an upset.

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Speaker 2: So recumbent cycling, so they're not so they're lying down effectively,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, threat so they're basically lying on their back and

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Speaker 5: that they thought that recumblent cyclers were producing in terms

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Speaker 2: Man, they'll be improving the rabs of nothing else. This

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Speaker 2: regatta happens a sparcelin of transitions from summer to autumn.

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Speaker 2: You talked before about variation and race conditions. Is that

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Speaker 5: As the racetracks very one sided, but the shore side

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Speaker 5: It's such a narrow window when you get it right

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Speaker 5: we haven't seen the sort of bigger waves that you

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Speaker 5: But I think if the sea state gets up there,

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Speaker 5: I think you see teams having some big skills and crashes,

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Speaker 2: Just to finish, I think we'd all obviously prefer for

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily want to relitigate that, but do you

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Speaker 2: think it'll be harder for a keywis back here to

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Speaker 5: But you know, I guess one thing that I've kind

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Speaker 5: it and gets behind the Kiwis again, and who knows

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Speaker 5: if they can pull off another woman and hopefully they

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Speaker 5: can bring it back here and they can all watch

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Speaker 4: And made other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's hope that is the case. Chris. Personally,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that is in our future. Let's

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Speaker 2: we'll see where the next defense takes place. Really appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time, thanks, Chris. Chris Steele is a former match

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Speaker 2: rice up of huge ability and a very very astute

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