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Speaker 1: With us on the huddle. We have Tris sheherson of

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Speaker 1: Sherson Willis pr and Richard Hill's Auckland councilor.

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Speaker 2: Hello you guys.

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Speaker 1: Hello Richard. Did you win your seat again?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I did.

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Speaker 1: Go on do your skyte.

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Speaker 3: I got the top because Disley didn't stand because she

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Speaker 3: was elected unopposed. I got the highest vote, Telly in Auckland,

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Speaker 3: and it went up. I knew you'd love that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, twenty one thousand as of today, I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: You'll know, you'll know, you know immediately if that is

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Speaker 1: a significant Is that a big is that a big margin?

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Speaker 1: Big number?

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Speaker 3: Well, it is more than last time and we had

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Speaker 3: a sadly very low turnout. So yeah, I'm pretty happy.

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Speaker 3: It's exhausted, but back in the office today, so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And have you got anybody new around the council table

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Speaker 1: who's freaking you out already?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, there's Notine, not the mayor.

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Speaker 3: Five newbies. The Mayor's fine. No, we yeah, we've got

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Speaker 3: five new councilors and we're just gonna work together and

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Speaker 3: make the city better.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: And who did you vote for, Richard?

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Speaker 2: I vote with you mean for mayor just for anybody,

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Speaker 2: for anyone. Well, I've voted for well.

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Speaker 1: I've already been honest about it. I voted for Mark

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Speaker 1: Kreisel because I know him.

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Speaker 2: Who is that?

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Speaker 1: Okay on never mind say a lot. Did you did

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Speaker 1: do your vote? Didn't you?

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Speaker 4: I certainly did. I voted for Mark Kreisel as well,

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Speaker 4: and actually he was the highest polling independent for the

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Speaker 4: Whiteer Matter Local Board. Again because I know Mark, and

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Speaker 4: actually I really thought we need people stepping up to

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Speaker 4: go for this. So congrats Richard, and you know, anyone

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Speaker 4: who sits on council, well done to you. I think

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Speaker 4: because it's important. But I think on the flip side,

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Speaker 4: this election signals there is a real problem with local government.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a couple of things. One is, you know,

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Speaker 4: when fewer than half bothered to vote, you haven't got

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Speaker 4: a democracy. You've essentially got a raffle. It's just it's

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Speaker 4: just not it's not good enough, considering the amount that

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Speaker 4: local government rates are now increasingly taking out of rate

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Speaker 4: payers pockets, and considering the contribution of rate increases overall

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Speaker 4: to our inflation worries in New Zealand. And I agree

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Speaker 4: with your point. Heither about a structural fix here. If

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Speaker 4: you think about New Zealand, we're a population of five million,

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Speaker 4: We're about the size of a big city in a

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Speaker 4: lot of countries who would have one municipal authority. Now

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying go that far, but I just don't

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Speaker 4: think anymore we can afford the drag on productivity and

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Speaker 4: on rate payers pockets of having so many layers of

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Richard, what's the actual problem and

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Speaker 1: how would you fix it?

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Speaker 3: It's a conversation that's going to be longer than the huddle.

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Speaker 3: But I think there's a few things that one I

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Speaker 3: know in Auckland, not having a strong meural contest put

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Speaker 3: could see in other areas where there was strong meural

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Speaker 3: contests they had far higher turnout. Another thing is the postal.

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Speaker 3: We lost the vote ten to eleven, sadly to make

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Speaker 3: it booth voting as well. We thought that might help

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Speaker 3: a little bit because so many people say to me, oh,

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Speaker 3: where do we go? I'm happy to do it, but

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Speaker 3: we're kind of I'm handing out flyers and people's leaderboxes

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Speaker 3: Most people don't even know what post is, so I

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Speaker 3: and people knowing them. So yeah, I'll meet a lot

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Speaker 1: Don't you think if you have in Auckland one hundred

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Speaker 1: have in Parliament, we've got too many. Right, there's just Auckland.

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Speaker 1: Now you think about the rest of the country. I

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Speaker 1: reckon what we should do, Richard, which is an idea

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Speaker 1: I'm going to I started pitching earlier. I reckon we

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think you do need you do need the representation,

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Speaker 3: does feel pretty depressing seeing those numbers. You can campaign

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Speaker 3: but something structural has to change. Future for local government

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Speaker 3: study a couple of years ago said a lot of

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Speaker 3: things that could happen, but I think that people don't understand.

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Speaker 3: The media don't cover local government like they used to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just too much aim and there's not enough

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Speaker 1: Absolutely now trash. What do you think about that? Structured

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Speaker 4: You know, there's nothing like doing something that actually works

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Speaker 4: to get results. And you know, when I came through school,

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Speaker 4: obviously it was very old school structured literacy. It works.

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Speaker 4: My kids weren't and it was you know, when I

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Speaker 4: tell you what I really liked out of today's press

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Speaker 4: real clarity about what her purpose is and she said, look,

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Speaker 4: my north star is achievement and reducing inequality, and I

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Speaker 4: she used, which I thought was fantastic, she said, neither

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Speaker 4: I nor the Prime Minister have taught one child to read.

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Speaker 4: That's all down to the teachers and their hard work.

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Speaker 4: And I thought that is also a mark of her.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think these results are fantastic. And you know,

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Speaker 1: School just hobbles them at the start. All right, I

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Speaker 1: want your take on it, Richie will get it after

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Speaker 1: the break it right, you're back with the huddle, Richard

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Speaker 1: Hill's and Trishus and Richard, what do you think I mean?

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Speaker 1: I looked at this, this structured literacy thing gave me hope.

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Speaker 2: What looks that the figures are tracking.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's hard probably to actually show the difference between

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Speaker 3: But what I do worry about is just making sure

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Speaker 3: kids with dyslexic who a dyslexico, that's a fair point.

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Speaker 3: So you've just got to make sure that you don't

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Speaker 1: You go and this is your kind of starting point,

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Speaker 1: and then anybody who needs a little bit of something

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Speaker 1: I think we had it the wrong way around before him.

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Speaker 2: But it sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Well, Trash, I said earlier on the show, you love

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Speaker 1: the new Mum's and Maternity Stay as much as I do.

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Speaker 1: You even text me over the weekend about it.

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Speaker 4: I did, and I'll tell you why. Because when I

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Speaker 4: So that's fine. So you have to get the baby

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Speaker 4: and I think it's unfair on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. Where do you stand on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it sounds perfect. It sounds absolutely good

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Speaker 3: if a woman pearents went to have that time. I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously personal choice, if you want to leave straight away

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Speaker 1: Go on, tell the story right now, Richard, tell the

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Speaker 2: That's not appropriate for me to know.

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Speaker 1: You tell it. I'm giving you permission.

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Speaker 3: Well, my mother in law was a midwife for I

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Speaker 1: So here I am trush. Imagine this. I go in

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Speaker 1: and I'm lying leagues, Akimbo, you know, getting ready to

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Speaker 1: have a baby. She goes, oh you might know Richard.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh lord, I was like, what goes

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Speaker 1: on to a stay was?

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Speaker 4: New Zealand is a very very small place.

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Speaker 2: This is how I get elected. I think, sorry, I.

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Speaker 4: Think it's a bit it's a bit of an that

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Speaker 4: we've let the service get to this point where we

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Speaker 4: don't have the resource to look after women properly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Hey her name is Julie. Yes, now Julie.

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Speaker 1: I have to say it was so discreet, which I

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Speaker 1: think as midwives amazing. She was so discreet that I

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Speaker 1: She wasn't like I just did.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the.

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Speaker 3: Midwife's did an amazing, amazing job. But they are understaffed

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Speaker 3: and there is not a lot of resources. So this

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Speaker 3: will only work if the hospitals and the house system

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Speaker 3: holds up.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean if you've got Wellington Hospital wanting

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Speaker 1: to take toast off mums.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, listen, thank you so much. Are you going

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Speaker 1: to go away and celebrate, Richard, you gonna have a beer.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean today?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: No, oh no, you celebrated with Wayne yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've we've got work to do.

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Speaker 1: Now, now you do the mahi. Okay, guys, thanks very much.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your week.

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Speaker 2: What am I saying?

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Speaker 1: A weekend?

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Speaker 2: Lord?

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Speaker 1: What is going on?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I've got to explain this is

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Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you this, young hang It'll explain

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Speaker 1: everything in a minute.

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