Speaker 1: You're listening to the Marcus Lush Night's podcast from News Talks, i'd.
Speaker 2: Be increasing's welcome people if you're in Marcus here till twelve.
Speaker 2: I hope it's good where you are. I hope if
Speaker 2: it's not good, it gets better by midnight. That's my plan.
Speaker 2: I hope it's your plan. Probably a two topic night tonight.
Speaker 2: There's the obvious topic and the unobvious topic. But I imagine
Speaker 2: there's a lot to say, and I want there to
Speaker 2: be a lot to say about social media for under sixteen,
Speaker 2: sixteens and under under sixteen. And I guess that's probably
Speaker 2: jammed the talkback earlier on today, But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: there's probably a fair bit to say about that, both
Speaker 2: from people who think it's a good idea or a
Speaker 2: bad idea, and also from people's experience with people and
Speaker 2: their family and their how can I say it are,
Speaker 2: their experience with social media for people under sixteen, I
Speaker 2: would assume pretty much most of it is bad unless
Speaker 2: your child has become some sort of social media phenomenon
Speaker 2: and might have made big coin internationally. But I think
Speaker 2: in the long run that would probably be bad as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm kind of curious to know where you
Speaker 2: are with it and if you support it, because even
Speaker 2: though it's going to come out of the bat, I
Speaker 2: imagine this will become policy because Labor seems keen and
Speaker 2: National seems keen, and Australia has got it and seems
Speaker 2: to be working well. I don't think they've brought it
Speaker 2: in yet, but seems as though they've got the plan
Speaker 2: to have it working fairly well. So Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know how you enforce it, but I think probably National
Speaker 2: has done it because it gets people talking and I
Speaker 2: think probably it's a vote winner. That would be my
Speaker 2: understanding is that people think, yes, it's a good thing,
Speaker 2: because I don't think people really want to have the
Speaker 2: hassle of trying to enforce it with their children. I
Speaker 2: guess that's kind of And I've got children. I have children.
Speaker 2: I currently have children. They are nine and eleven, and
Speaker 2: they're not naggy kids. But the eleven year old he
Speaker 2: doesn't have a cell phone, and I think, probably as
Speaker 2: mates do, I think he pretty much knows he's not
Speaker 2: going to get one anytime soon. He's pretty resigned to that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the younger child wants a smart watch so he can
Speaker 2: counter steps. Well, what steps?
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 2: Totally I'll count your steps for you. And that really
Speaker 2: annoys him because every time he walks our counter of
Speaker 2: steps and he doesn't like that at all. I said,
Speaker 2: that's twelve steps there, shut up there, that's fourteen there.
Speaker 2: I thought you wanted your steps. Do you not like that? Anyway?
Speaker 2: I don't know why people would buy the children smart
Speaker 2: watches to go out this well, I know why they'd
Speaker 2: buy smart watches to go out their steps. I think
Speaker 2: they get the contective So I talked to the children
Speaker 2: about getting a pager. I said to the eldest one,
Speaker 2: do you want a pager? Dad? I'd rather have nothing
Speaker 2: than a pager. I don't think they realized quite how
Speaker 2: flash on a hippopager looks you look like you're a
Speaker 2: doctor doing heart transplants or something, or a drug dealer
Speaker 2: off the wire. So yeah, they went that keen on
Speaker 2: the pager either. So yeah, So I don't know that
Speaker 2: be having a smartphone anytime soon. I can imagine there's
Speaker 2: probably people want the children to have cell phones because
Speaker 2: parenting's busy these days. They do a lot of different things.
Speaker 2: There's things in the morning, there's things after school, and
Speaker 2: they're getting picked up at different times. It's more complicated.
Speaker 2: They have busier lives. Whether that's good or bed I
Speaker 2: don't know, but that just is. So parenting is a
Speaker 2: taxi driver in Australia told me once is mainly logistics.
Speaker 2: I think they're pretty well right, and if you've got
Speaker 2: a cell phone, the logistics becoming easy because you can
Speaker 2: text them. And so I've also talked to the children
Speaker 2: if they want a like a Nokia with snake, but
Speaker 2: they're not that key. They'd rather have no phone than
Speaker 2: the phone that's just kind of done nothing. I think
Speaker 2: it'd be more embarrassing in a phone than does nothing
Speaker 2: than having no phone. So that's kind of what they're
Speaker 2: resigned to, and they seem pretty resolved with it. So
Speaker 2: where am I going with this?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, so what I think happens, because I'm kind of
Speaker 2: an expert on this, what I think happens is parents.
Speaker 2: Here's how parenting works. I want to get in touch
Speaker 2: with me. I want to keep in touch with my child.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to text them when the
Speaker 2: school bus breaks down or there's an excident I happen
Speaker 2: yesterday on the Bluff Road. And I want to be
Speaker 2: able to get in touch with it. So I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what. I'm going to get a new phone. You
Speaker 2: have my old phone, and that tends to be how
Speaker 2: the younger people get smartphones. I think I'm right with
Speaker 2: that one. So it's more about an ability to locate
Speaker 2: and call them, and of course then the kids get
Speaker 2: hooked on. And I don't know what the social media
Speaker 2: band is going to be about. I presume it's going
Speaker 2: to be TikTok, Facebook, Instagram. They're the three I would
Speaker 2: not allow for the other sixteens and that makes sense
Speaker 2: to me. And naps and Snapchat. Tell me about Snapchat?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh yes, that's what. Snapchat's the one that
Speaker 2: Seymour used. That's right, And there was some sort of
Speaker 2: there was some sort of controversy about that you're doing
Speaker 2: it to children because I think Snapchat's got an element
Speaker 2: of deceptiveness because you seen videos and then they disappear,
Speaker 2: so there it's undiscoverable. I've never been anywhere there stapchat,
Speaker 2: so yeah, no, that's not a good thing. So yeah, Snapchat, TikTok, Facebook,
Speaker 2: and Instagram. I don't know what the others are. So
Speaker 2: that's what they're talking about. I imagine the band would be.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the band is in Australia, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I look, I guess what I need to say. I
Speaker 2: don't necessarily think it's a bad idea. I think there's
Speaker 2: probably votes in it. I think probably. I think it
Speaker 2: would be easier if parents enforced that. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: can see the vineage how parents get into it. Children
Speaker 2: want a phone for location and doing things like that
Speaker 2: and for getting in touch with each other. Next thing
Speaker 2: you know, they're on TikTok or Instagram and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But the thing about it, and I think we all
Speaker 2: know about that, is that Facebook no sorry, is that
Speaker 2: social media is incredibly time consuming. You can spend your
Speaker 2: whole life on it, and it's probably the better things
Speaker 2: that young people should be doing. Also, I think the
Speaker 2: thing with social media is that you can It causes
Speaker 2: anxiety and stress because you can be attacked, and you
Speaker 2: can you know, all those things, you can be bullied,
Speaker 2: and all those things happen on social media. It's a
Speaker 2: pain in the neck. I certainly know. When we went
Speaker 2: to intermediate school for the elder boy, they said the parent,
Speaker 2: the teacher said, oh, look, we don't do we won't
Speaker 2: do we won't deal with anything involved in social media
Speaker 2: out of school. They're not interested. I thought that was
Speaker 2: a fair comment to so yes, that's the situation. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I would rather it was parents that told that children
Speaker 2: they couldn't use it. But if it becomes a band,
Speaker 2: that might make it easy for some parents. I don't
Speaker 2: really have a problem with it. I don't think that's
Speaker 2: why nationals come up with I think nationals come up
Speaker 2: with ex votes in it. But probably is the same
Speaker 2: thing in some ways, isn't it. So your comments on
Speaker 2: that would be fascinated. Also, may as the kids wouldn't
Speaker 2: want a pager, do even know if you can still
Speaker 2: get a page? So yeah, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 2: And also your experience, maybe some of them. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to think of some good stuff that's happened to
Speaker 2: children on social media. I can't think of anything. I
Speaker 2: can't really think of a positive social media story. I
Speaker 2: remember when I first started on Facebook, was quite exciting
Speaker 2: your remade, old people and stuff like that, But those
Speaker 2: experiences have long gone. Now you just get advertisements for
Speaker 2: various things. I mean, some of them are interesting. You
Speaker 2: do see some new products, but most of it to
Speaker 2: waste of time and literally to waste of time, because
Speaker 2: we all spend far too much time and that we
Speaker 2: should Why is that I don't know algorithms, because it's compelling.
Speaker 2: They know how our brains work, our brains full of
Speaker 2: plastic microplastics. They know how they work, and they know
Speaker 2: what they need to do to get us hopped. So
Speaker 2: good luck with that. By the way, it's got to
Speaker 2: be drawn from the biscuit box to be voted on,
Speaker 2: but then it would be a private members bill. I
Speaker 2: imagine most people would vote for it. And also with
Speaker 2: the fact that Albanese and Australia the Labor Party, they're
Speaker 2: into it. I reckon hip I would be into it also,
Speaker 2: so the two would get together. It would probably pass.
Speaker 2: It could well be policy next year anyway, I can
Speaker 2: imagine as they're getting ready for the debate next year
Speaker 2: for the election twenty twenty six, and whoever is the
Speaker 2: leader of both parties. But let's say it stays the
Speaker 2: status quo, and Jenna or whoever they're moderator debate, says
Speaker 2: lukso will you continue to ban will you still be
Speaker 2: looking to ban social media? And he'll say yes, and
Speaker 2: then I'll say to Hipkins, Will if Luxan's going to
Speaker 2: ban it, what do you do? He'll probably say, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's merit in doing that. So I'm curious with your
Speaker 2: opinions about that. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine
Speaker 2: two nine two detext. The other thing I see it's
Speaker 2: going to be a two topic night t t in
Speaker 2: two topic night. The other thing I've been doing quite
Speaker 2: a bit of reading about today is claw machines. Now
Speaker 2: half of all games in Japan and video parlors are
Speaker 2: claw machines. And they're the machines where you have that
Speaker 2: grabber and the container and you direct the grabber and
Speaker 2: it grabs something and you might win a soft toy
Speaker 2: that's worthless, but you've won it, and you get a high,
Speaker 2: that absolute high when it comes off and the grabber
Speaker 2: gets it and gets it to the drop zone, you're
Speaker 2: beside yourself with excitement. I stay well clear of them.
Speaker 2: I kind of think it's some form of gambling, although
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to have those band but I'm pretty
Speaker 2: fascinated by them anyway, as you tend to be fascinated
Speaker 2: by the things you avoid. But today I learned that
Speaker 2: those grabbing machines. I was watching a video of a
Speaker 2: guy that was at a factory and he was refilling
Speaker 2: grabbing machines. Get this, he was refilling grabbing machines that
Speaker 2: people played online. I had no idea you could do this,
Speaker 2: so I went onto the websites. You can go to
Speaker 2: any website or google it, and you can play those
Speaker 2: claw machines from your cell phone and they will mail
Speaker 2: the prizes to you. Who knew that he didn't and
Speaker 2: who's doing it. That sounds buddy brilliant. So yeah, you
Speaker 2: get some piece of junk email currier to you three
Speaker 2: months later. But wow, I had no idea you could
Speaker 2: do it from your forget TIMU. Some of your people
Speaker 2: could be hooked on those grabbing games. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I think that they are engineered. They change the dials
Speaker 2: so for months you don't win anything until they've made
Speaker 2: the fortune. Then they can wound it up to kind
Speaker 2: of get you hooked again. Anyway, social media and kids
Speaker 2: and grabbing machines. That's the two topics for tonight, and
Speaker 2: I'm big on this particularly. Yeah, I think there's no
Speaker 2: limit to where we could go with this. There's no
Speaker 2: limit to the angle fangles on this one. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the texts already one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 2: nineteen eleven, twelve, Get in touch, and also your family solutions,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure there's great battles. I mean, why would
Speaker 2: a nine year old want to count as steps cheepers? Actually,
Speaker 2: I'd like to watch the Council of Steps, actually, but
Speaker 2: I haven't had the character tell him that. Nickots Marcus, welcome, Hello, greetings,
Speaker 2: good evening.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hi, hey, so you're talking about the grab machines.
Speaker 5: Just a little story. Just forty years ago, I was
Speaker 5: in I was in London and there was quite a
Speaker 5: lot of these parlors and they had a few of
Speaker 5: those machines. And I went to one of these parlors
Speaker 5: and it was I think two p pieces that you
Speaker 5: were supposed to put into the machine there and I
Speaker 5: looked at them. About eighty percent of the coins are
Speaker 5: in there from all over the world. Was in London,
Speaker 5: was a very international place way back then, and there
Speaker 5: was people from all nationalities and just looked at all
Speaker 5: these coins. And I went to the manager. I said,
Speaker 5: what do you do with his staring coins? He said said,
Speaker 5: I got you know, I got baggs and I said,
Speaker 5: I like to lick coins. I said, how about I
Speaker 5: give you a two piece pizza? And I got how
Speaker 5: I started my coin collects and I walked out with
Speaker 5: about two hundred, you know, coins to all sorts of countries.
Speaker 5: I'd hardly even heard of Allstar Africa in Asia and
Speaker 5: what a great.
Speaker 2: What a great story. And that's not even what and
Speaker 2: that's not even what you rang up about that that's
Speaker 2: the big top again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, I think that's interesting. With the
Speaker 5: with the social media band. Funny. It was funny because
Speaker 5: I thought about pages just a moment before you said.
Speaker 5: I thought, come home now.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and my partner's saying, of course, come and
Speaker 2: you'll be bringing pages back. But the kids are just
Speaker 2: shaking the head, thinking she's meant, you know, honestly, it's
Speaker 2: not going to have that here.
Speaker 5: I sold dinosaurs.
Speaker 4: Oh are you so?
Speaker 2: Did you have a few on the band? You're okay
Speaker 2: about it?
Speaker 5: Or I had three three deads?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean if they can do it, I think yeah,
Speaker 5: it would be good. I mean sense of work. Well
Speaker 5: in school was with the phone thing?
Speaker 6: What do you know?
Speaker 5: I mean, have they implemented something?
Speaker 2: No, I think it's that they've passed the legislation, but
Speaker 2: I think it doesn't come into December. That's my that's
Speaker 2: my recall. But look I will fact check that for you, Nick.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's the way it's gone. Of course
Speaker 2: they probably Australia passed landmark laws in October, backing down
Speaker 2: bending under sixteen. Some social media comes into effect in December. Yes,
Speaker 2: I was right. The government faced a number of hurdles
Speaker 2: before then. Good on them. Mail Alben Easy twenty four
Speaker 2: past eight, Matt, it's Marcus.
Speaker 7: Good evening, Good Marcus.
Speaker 8: Yeah, my phone call kind of encompasses both topics. But
Speaker 8: I saw on TikTok this guy had a hack for
Speaker 8: winning a toy on the form machine every single time.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, and what was the heck it's.
Speaker 8: Hard to explain, but he was just he'd grabbed the
Speaker 8: joystick thing and go andy clockwise around the circles, and
Speaker 8: when the thirty seconds was up, the clare would automatically
Speaker 8: come down, and every single time he would win, just
Speaker 8: by jimming it around andy clockwise every single time.
Speaker 2: Wow, and any reasons why.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't really get it far, but whatever, it.
Speaker 2: Would just go randomly into the middle, would it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they would do it by itself instead of you
Speaker 8: pushing the button, and it would just lower it down
Speaker 8: when once the time was up. And that's probably the
Speaker 8: key to it, I guess, not pushing the button on
Speaker 8: your own, leaving the machine or it after thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: Because they kend of just the level of grabbing with
Speaker 2: it too. I wonder if that happened after thirty second Yeah, okay.
Speaker 8: Yeah, could do something in it though, Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get onto that.
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, yeah sounds good.
Speaker 2: Did you want to say about social media as well?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was just going.
Speaker 8: To say I liked the idea because like under sixteen
Speaker 8: seemed way too young to be on that. But how
Speaker 8: on earth, like you said, were they police it?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 2: Well, I guess you just I guess you need to
Speaker 2: sign up to to Facebook, to Instagram, to TikTok or
Speaker 2: to snapchat, and you just need proof of idea.
Speaker 4: I would think like a student.
Speaker 2: Id well, I mean they know your age, wouldn't they
Speaker 2: go it is you chet gptai to look at your pictures?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: True, Well I think they should do it.
Speaker 4: If they can do it would be great.
Speaker 2: Okay, nice to hear from you, Matt, Thank you, Claw
Speaker 2: machines and social media band Beth Marcus welcome.
Speaker 9: Hello Marcus. How are you this evening?
Speaker 2: Good? Thank you Bet.
Speaker 9: Both topics again, now that we studied the gravy machines,
Speaker 9: the claw machines, and stage three statistics at UNI. And
Speaker 9: there's an algorithm and they grab harder on the eleventh
Speaker 9: or the assistance grab. It's built into the machine.
Speaker 2: So that is random reinforcement. Is that right? So you
Speaker 2: get more hooked? Yeah, I feel we did something similar
Speaker 2: in Stage one psychology with the pigeon picking, and every
Speaker 2: and every time when the pigeon got reinforced randomly that
Speaker 2: blue ahead gasket and it was hooked for life. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so eleventh.
Speaker 9: Yeh yeah, okay, eleventh or fifteenth, depending on which country,
Speaker 9: which machine.
Speaker 2: Wow, So you should play for a length of time
Speaker 2: if you want to win, is that right?
Speaker 9: Well, you should stand back and watch from win someone wins.
Speaker 9: Let them have king cohs before you step up and
Speaker 9: put your money in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you just watch it. They're watching. Okay. Beth,
Speaker 2: nice to talk, Thanks so much for that. Get in touch.
Speaker 2: You want to be a part of the show.
Speaker 7: Head on.
Speaker 2: The strong start, they say in the industry, strong start
Speaker 2: with a double topic, the two topic, the two topic,
Speaker 2: how's your father get it?
Speaker 4: Going?
Speaker 2: Claw machines and social eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Dave, Welcome,
Speaker 2: Marcus could eat the good ev Marcus.
Speaker 10: We're on the run route from then the cargol se Queenstown.
Speaker 10: And my eleven year old daughter made you on. In
Speaker 10: the background, of course, she was listening and quiped up
Speaker 10: about social media and had a fantastic story to share
Speaker 10: about about why she's not on it and and funny
Speaker 10: when your call was talking about you know how they
Speaker 10: beat when you're sixteen or how they know and and Tatum,
Speaker 10: my daughter said, well, I just googled what age she
Speaker 10: had to be to get what was it?
Speaker 4: Girl? Yeah?
Speaker 11: What what was that?
Speaker 10: Tug tiktox hung with her chat Snapchat? She googled and
Speaker 10: it said you had to be sixteen. So she didn't
Speaker 10: download it, not that she would have been able to,
Speaker 10: because of course we had the pair of controls. But
Speaker 10: I just thought that was that was quite fascinating that
Speaker 10: that she just googled to see where the age was.
Speaker 10: Nice to know I've got to po an obedience daughter.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I got my friend and September last year.
Speaker 11: And there's always been a six stretch rule of my
Speaker 11: f that there's no TikTok, no social media, nothing like that,
Speaker 11: only to contact your parents and your family, because my
Speaker 11: mom told me the story once where this doctor interviewed
Speaker 11: this these six these boys and girls around sixteen, and
Speaker 11: they all said that they regretted having those abilities to
Speaker 11: have social media and TikTok and snapchat and everything, because
Speaker 11: they were way too young to process and.
Speaker 10: Understand what they saw.
Speaker 2: So tATu View's got one of the old noki in
Speaker 2: nine eight one o's I wish. So why she got
Speaker 2: the smartphone?
Speaker 10: Well, well she actually done a bitter year ago should
Speaker 10: diagnosed type one not beatis so the way that's managed
Speaker 10: now is by the phone.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 10: More interesting enough, two and a half year old sister
Speaker 10: years ago got diagnosed as well. So the pair of
Speaker 10: them have it. So the pair of them, you know,
Speaker 10: well phone since she was three, obviously she'd never use it.
Speaker 2: But that's interesting point. So you need that that's got
Speaker 2: that's got apps on it to help with diabetes control?
Speaker 4: Is that right? You're yeah?
Speaker 2: How you Garston ethel Kingston Devil staircase.
Speaker 10: Lumston pulled over ethel because I thought seven hour probably lesion,
Speaker 10: that will just make the beat radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you do lose it about now too, I
Speaker 2: think I think you switched to the Queenstown frequency. Dave.
Speaker 2: Nice to hear from you. Thank you, Tatum. Who's so
Speaker 2: the big question is?
Speaker 12: Now?
Speaker 2: The big question is, oh, he's talking about a different machine,
Speaker 2: the guy with a coin collection Nick Nick is talking
Speaker 2: about a I was looking about those as well too.
Speaker 2: They're only invented in nineteen sixty five. He was talking
Speaker 2: about the other machine is called a coin cascade?
Speaker 4: Is it.
Speaker 2: Like on Tipping Point? Is it called a coin cascade machine?
Speaker 2: What are they called? Where you've got those different shelves?
Speaker 2: I love those? What are they called called? Is a
Speaker 2: coin cascade? No, it's called something different, like on Tipping Point.
Speaker 2: If anyone knows what they're called, text me through too,
Speaker 2: because I had it worked out yesterday. Name of game,
Speaker 2: Name of game where you win coins on moving shelves.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing about those is half the money falls
Speaker 2: down the side down the edges. A coin pusher machine.
Speaker 2: So interesting enough. The coin pusher machines have have been
Speaker 2: invented quite recently nineteen sixty four. I think, I know
Speaker 2: that's not recently at sixty, but they thought they'd be
Speaker 2: older than that anyway, So I'll talk about those as
Speaker 2: well as well as the grabbing machines A weight one
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty nineteen nine two de text head
Speaker 2: on Midnight. Yes, but by the way that the the
Speaker 2: claw machines were invented after they made the Panama Canal,
Speaker 2: because when they're making the Panama Canal they use those
Speaker 2: kind of things to grab mud. And soon after someone thought,
Speaker 2: well that's a good thing. We'll put them in a
Speaker 2: cabinet and you can win soft toys. They weren't electric
Speaker 2: to beginning. They were just cranked interesting in it. The
Speaker 2: first recognizable coin pusher was Penny Falls in nineteen sixty four. Yep,
Speaker 2: true story. I've got texts. Someone called them a coin dozer.
Speaker 2: I like that too, dB Marcus, good evening.
Speaker 3: I tried that online claw thing. After you mentioned that,
Speaker 3: I wind up Uncle Google and ask for one of
Speaker 3: those sites. Wow, not a money maker. So it let
Speaker 3: me win five times in a row, and then it
Speaker 3: said if you want to win Biger prizes, please give
Speaker 3: us your information. Well, of course I locked out.
Speaker 2: So were you on genuine machines?
Speaker 3: No, they were computer generated.
Speaker 2: They're animated because you can go to real machines.
Speaker 3: I'll try.
Speaker 2: That's the point I'm making, is that there's real machines
Speaker 2: connected to your cell phone and you can control them
Speaker 2: and they'll carry the put prizes to you.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 4: But of course there's there's lots of things out there
Speaker 4: that do that.
Speaker 13: You can have.
Speaker 3: I think the Panama Canal. You can roll the cameras there, yes,
Speaker 3: via apps, and the suspects more cameras and other things everywhere.
Speaker 3: So I suppose I shouldn't be surprised with the claw machine.
Speaker 2: But it does seem I mean there was because on
Speaker 2: this video I saw there's like warehouses of claw machines, right,
Speaker 2: and the guy going through and restocking them.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: And there's no one in them. It's just they're all
Speaker 2: there for the online customers.
Speaker 3: They're all remotely controlled.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I guess you've just got your cell phone
Speaker 2: and just push left and right and drop and then
Speaker 2: they mail the pries to you.
Speaker 3: And Beth was right though. What you do is you
Speaker 3: stand back and you do some research and once you've
Speaker 3: worked out what the the wind rakers for any given
Speaker 3: claw machine, you wacause it's lost that many times, then
Speaker 3: you yourself and you've got a better chance of it.
Speaker 2: But if you're programming at your program at randomly to
Speaker 2: tighten up the claw randomly, wouldn't you.
Speaker 3: They would still give themselves a margin. They wouldn't want
Speaker 3: the randomness to be better than say, one and ten, Yes,
Speaker 3: that's right, Oh, want it to be worse than one
Speaker 3: in fifteen. So the Mars will just make it as
Speaker 3: best said one and eleven or one in fifteen, have
Speaker 3: be done with it and save themselves some money.
Speaker 2: Five grand a month profit.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm like, go buy a couple, set them up
Speaker 3: in my bedroom.
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I don't think you make five
Speaker 2: grand a month if you own them yourself. I think
Speaker 2: you've actually got to have them somewhere public.
Speaker 3: No I mean the remote control Oh.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, absolutely, oh absolutely.
Speaker 3: Put up a bedroom full of them and just have
Speaker 3: them all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a big site. Oh there you are, there's someone
Speaker 2: where they look at. Oh yes, someone from Elsinki having
Speaker 2: a going own. Good luck with that.
Speaker 3: Then good luck with that, and you can sit there
Speaker 3: with a but and go we won't be having that
Speaker 3: guy winning again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you should do that because actually it's a
Speaker 2: good thing for a good thing for these end economy
Speaker 2: power Well, actually, why would it be good for us.
Speaker 3: I'll make it just for New Zealanders to save on
Speaker 3: shipping postage. But just a quick one on Facebook. I
Speaker 3: haven't been on Facebook for many, many, many years, and
Speaker 3: just that this weekend I went back on to a
Speaker 3: specific railways employees group and I must have been I've
Speaker 3: had a lot of fun. Yeah, I've better, you know,
Speaker 3: reconnected with you know, colleagues home way back.
Speaker 2: I also think Facebook is tremendous for sharing old photos
Speaker 2: like I'm on time Spanner, which is old photos around
Speaker 2: all kind of historical photos, and also some other ones
Speaker 2: audio culture, a couple of those music sites.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 2: When it clicks to research and well written either great
Speaker 2: photos or well written documentary articles about musicians. I think
Speaker 2: it works very well. The comments normally to tear up
Speaker 2: quite quickly, but the website, you know face. I think
Speaker 2: Facebook is fantastic if you're on the right stuff.
Speaker 3: When I first joined Facebook, I found that I was
Speaker 3: becoming too much of a stalker side turned it off
Speaker 3: and stop going there and have you.
Speaker 2: Have you become less of a stalker.
Speaker 3: Well, I've, like I said, this is the first time
Speaker 3: they got in years and years. But I'm only on
Speaker 3: one side and I am with friends. Yeah, as opposed
Speaker 3: to stalking enemies.
Speaker 2: Thanks t V. Nice to hear from you. Keep it
Speaker 2: going people.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Has anyone played the Claw Machine online? Real claw machines,
Speaker 2: real ones, good evening. Marcus had a lot of lucks
Speaker 2: on the Teddy Game the clause work one and three.
Speaker 2: Don't bag the old nock here as I'm still using
Speaker 2: one twenty years on. Free from any social media ads
Speaker 2: or scared. I love a Nokia Marcus inland Reven. You'll
Speaker 2: be able to do the age check for the social
Speaker 2: media ban. You can win food, keyrings, figures and Lego
Speaker 2: with CLW machines, you can change settings when they pay out.
Speaker 2: I watch experts on TikTok paying live. They win lotso Marcus.
Speaker 2: There are other alternaives to giving your children's smartphone, including
Speaker 2: the Space Talk smart watch, which is a lockdown sim
Speaker 2: enabled watch which allows phone calls and text messages bring
Speaker 2: the child and approved parent. It also allows the child
Speaker 2: to send their location and their parents to view the
Speaker 2: location on a map. God ops, it's a bit stalky,
Speaker 2: I think is it a bit kind of helicoptery craw
Speaker 2: machines are gambling their program to only work a predtermined
Speaker 2: percentage at the time, because I don't doubt that Marcus.
Speaker 2: He may win some votes for this, but I think
Speaker 2: he's as a whole up more with the equity paything
Speaker 2: that they are rushing through Parliament tonight. The kid's first
Speaker 2: smartphone only had eight gigabytes of memory, allowed three apps
Speaker 2: other than phone and text, couldn't cut with social media,
Speaker 2: just a few games. Problems solved far a watch? How
Speaker 2: accurate are they? Steps get counted by arm movements, So
Speaker 2: if you move your arm while not moving, that count
Speaker 2: as a step. I've offered one how the I guess
Speaker 2: the steps work because it's the phone's going up and
Speaker 2: down as you walk. Wouldn't it be like that if
Speaker 2: they can detect if they can detect earthquakes for the
Speaker 2: movement of the phone before you use to detect detect walking.
Speaker 2: Should I play a claw machine? Should I do it?
Speaker 12: Now?
Speaker 2: Eh? I've googled clan machine and that's something quite different.
Speaker 2: Claw machine play remotely. The kill Joys are probably bend it,
Speaker 2: play real claw crazy, play real claw machines, win real prizes,
Speaker 2: play online now email. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2: Might take a bit of a setup for this one.
Speaker 2: People Sheep getting touch Marcus till twelve. How you're going people?
Speaker 2: What's happening in your neck of the woods?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: The social media band? Good or bad? What have I
Speaker 2: been saying all day about that? I suppose I had
Speaker 2: a good bang on about that? Have they?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 2: How dare they tell people what to do? What about
Speaker 2: the parents? It's there job, make the kids lunch, monitor
Speaker 2: their cell phone usage? So I am interested. Anyone that's
Speaker 2: played one of those craw machines in real life. Are
Speaker 2: not in real life, but they've played it remotely in
Speaker 2: real life. If someone does that, that would be of
Speaker 2: interest to me and the old social media band. Yes, no,
Speaker 2: I think most people would be for it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: Did it get rid of the phones at schools? That
Speaker 2: seem to be fairly successful? I guess it was. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure about that. I haven't really asked anyone at
Speaker 2: secondary school that you can take them can't show? Is
Speaker 2: that right?
Speaker 13: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm still getting to tone with year one, year two,
Speaker 2: Why do think you're going to form primis and forms.
Speaker 2: I think that's what a lot of parents are struggling with.
Speaker 2: By the way is predicted, the South IGN's going to
Speaker 2: be absolutely downpulled with ret wet weather Thursdays, it's going
Speaker 2: to hit big now carve train at Rolliston, hate Horne,
Speaker 2: Sint John have departed the scene with a social media
Speaker 2: and the claw machines. They're a parenting nightmare too, because
Speaker 2: I never there's one of these some at the end
Speaker 2: of Cargo Airport that they should get rid of. They
Speaker 2: never work, They've never once paid out. I don't know
Speaker 2: why they're there, god forsaken place, and yeah, always tell
Speaker 2: preus they don't put any money. It never pays out.
Speaker 2: But they should just get rid of them. It's a
Speaker 2: it's not good for people's experience of the airport. Just
Speaker 2: causes a huge amount of tension. So anyway, I need
Speaker 2: to pick it up and take it away and dump
Speaker 2: it somewhere. I feel quite strong about that one. We
Speaker 2: definitely never paid out, but never does. I don't know
Speaker 2: what happens if you've tried tuning it off at the
Speaker 2: wall and shaking it doesn't seem to change it much.
Speaker 2: I guess they've got things around that anyway. I'm surprised
Speaker 2: that they are so popular and so compelling. Of course,
Speaker 2: there's always that great shot of the children that have
Speaker 2: crawled inside them, you know, that always goes viral. But
Speaker 2: I think probably parents encourage the children they're toddlers to
Speaker 2: do that, because how could a toddler climb in there?
Speaker 2: Seems very unlikely to me, but every so often that's
Speaker 2: one of the great shots on the local paper. Be
Speaker 2: in touch if you want to be a pat of
Speaker 2: the show, Marcus Tall Midnight, as I say, a hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty Teddy had nine two nine two to text
Speaker 2: social media. I think everyone seems to be in favor,
Speaker 2: is that right, which means it will probably happen if
Speaker 2: no one's opposed. I mean, they're got to draw it
Speaker 2: out first, but I might make it policy for the
Speaker 2: next election because if National wants it and Labor wants it, well,
Speaker 2: then if it's popular, no one's going to go against.
Speaker 2: So I think they're going to actually lose votes by that.
Speaker 2: No one cares about the sixteen year olds. They don't
Speaker 2: vote Marcus. My mate Bobo had the coin machines all
Speaker 2: over hawks ban the seventies and eighties. He refers to
Speaker 2: them as sliders. Marcus was that dB Cooper. Yes, the
Speaker 2: fair in John Street in Newtown used to have machines
Speaker 2: with a spinning table inside an arm well, then move
Speaker 2: across and push the button. I love those with the watchers.
Speaker 2: They were compelling and someone texts through. I thought banning
Speaker 2: social media front of six would be great as my
Speaker 2: daughter attempted suicide in twenty twenty due to social media
Speaker 2: during lockdown. Fine, now it won't work as it will
Speaker 2: be impossible to force. It would mean everyone whose you
Speaker 2: would have to have some form of digital idea to
Speaker 2: prove who they are online, to verify their age, so
Speaker 2: you need to log into absolutely everything you do to
Speaker 2: do online. Also, VPNs can bypass us as well to
Speaker 2: some extent going forward. By no, Now, if I had
Speaker 2: kids again, they would never get a phone or social
Speaker 2: media until they were sixteen plus parental controls of REBST
Speaker 2: way forward, I think not the government wasting money on
Speaker 2: something that won't work, although you didn't have it. I
Speaker 2: mean that said with kindness. You say what you know now,
Speaker 2: so there's no way you can know that Therefore, you
Speaker 2: surely should be in favor of a compulsory ban, because
Speaker 2: there's no way parents can know the harm it can cause.
Speaker 2: Haven't you proven with that text the reverse of what
Speaker 2: you pointers? I'm just wondering that you might want to comment,
Speaker 2: Marcus starting to go. Started going to time Zone with
Speaker 2: my kids three and a half one and a half years,
Speaker 2: been there four times so far. Each time someone else
Speaker 2: has won something from a claw machine or one of
Speaker 2: those doz of machines, and they give them to my kids.
Speaker 2: Well you would too, No, I already wants a soft
Speaker 2: beer or a hard bear. Oh welcome people, nine seven
Speaker 2: seven pasts, don't How are you going? I hope it's
Speaker 2: good where you are. People. We are talking claw machines. Now.
Speaker 2: They are the machines you see everywhere, and you can
Speaker 2: grab soft toys from the claw. I didn't realize just
Speaker 2: how huge they were. Like in Japan, half of all
Speaker 2: machines and arcades are claw machines. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I don't know why also though, but what I hadn't
Speaker 2: known until I was reading about them today research is
Speaker 2: that you can play physical real machines remotely from your
Speaker 2: cell phone. Wanting to encourage you people to get off
Speaker 2: tim and get addicted to something else. But if you've
Speaker 2: done that, how was it and how long did you
Speaker 2: have to arrive wait for the soft toy to arrive
Speaker 2: or the key ring or whatever it is? Ill stear
Speaker 2: my kids to wait for that. Don't know. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just I just don't think. I think those machines are
Speaker 2: appearing forget Facebook. I think those machines are a parenting challenge.
Speaker 2: All that random reinforcement, you know, next thing, they're hooked.
Speaker 2: I've been hooked, flan Ste We're clear of them myself.
Speaker 2: I have had wins. So we have two about Clowe
Speaker 2: machines and also the social media band. By the way,
Speaker 2: I've done some reading during the news in Australia. YouTube
Speaker 2: is not one of the social media that has banned,
Speaker 2: so YouTube's okay. They're also it's quite a complicated story.
Speaker 2: There's a British company that's engaged to getting the verification
Speaker 2: right and I think they have recruited a group of
Speaker 2: children or people under sixteen and it will be their
Speaker 2: job to test the security on certain social medias to
Speaker 2: make sure that they have got their checks and balances
Speaker 2: worked out. So you probably get done from trapman A
Speaker 2: bit like selling smokes to under sixteen year olds, even
Speaker 2: though you address them in bolved with the fake fake
Speaker 2: mustache and stuff. It's the same with social media. If
Speaker 2: you are a social media company, you're allowing under sixteen
Speaker 2: people on your you know, put the onus on them
Speaker 2: and phone them. So I need to talk about this.
Speaker 2: People of the lines are free, let's be hearing from you.
Speaker 2: Social media also too, hasn't even got a good social
Speaker 2: media story for an under sixteen year old. I don't
Speaker 2: think anyone has. They just get hooked. I've seen this.
Speaker 2: They're just on their damn phones the whole time because
Speaker 2: it's just so compelling. Social media ban is long over due.
Speaker 2: Children understandably have no self control and don't learn critical
Speaker 2: skills and awareness into adulthood. The harm from social media
Speaker 2: oute weighs any perceived benefits. Device addiction, online bullying, pornography,
Speaker 2: in appropriate content, disengagement from family, deteriorating mental health. The
Speaker 2: list goes on. Parents can't monitor and can't lead by
Speaker 2: example because they are addicted themselves. We are a device
Speaker 2: free household with two young kids. It's not easy, but
Speaker 2: it's the best for them. Their imaginative play is incredible,
Speaker 2: and our engagement and undivided attention with them is priceless.
Speaker 2: They will thank us later. Wow, Scott's Marcus, welcome.
Speaker 4: Here you are, Marcus good thank you, Scott good good.
Speaker 4: Anon on one of these parents basically back in the day,
Speaker 4: my daughter's sixteen now in primary school. She's got a
Speaker 4: good report, so I basically went out and bought her
Speaker 4: a phone. Like, have never understood computer or technology. I've
Speaker 4: never owned a computer in my life. Now she's got
Speaker 4: to the age she's sixteen now and she's just over it.
Speaker 4: Like she's been bullied before on social media. It's been
Speaker 4: sorted out, but it's one of those things that the
Speaker 4: conversation's here at the moment and I know, like you
Speaker 4: talk about what can be done about it, but I
Speaker 4: just see the conversation needs to be had because who
Speaker 4: knows in another five years that that can be sorted out,
Speaker 4: and when it does get sorted out, you can be
Speaker 4: in front of the ball too, sort of out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so you regret it, Well, I wouldn't say I regret
Speaker 4: it because she's she's gone through it. She's been through it,
Speaker 4: and she's like written above it, so to speak, but
Speaker 4: it's like it's been a hard road and it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, I just don't know. It's like you know,
Speaker 4: kids these days, it's like whether or not. It's like
Speaker 4: if a child has to go through it, I wouldn't
Speaker 4: want any child to go through it, but if it's
Speaker 4: a learning curve in this day and age, and like,
Speaker 4: actually it's just you know, maybe if we put the
Speaker 4: work in now to sort it out, how like you say,
Speaker 4: how we going to police it in that and maybe
Speaker 4: two or three years they can't police it, But it's
Speaker 4: all about being in front of the board to police it,
Speaker 4: so to speak.
Speaker 2: And maybe too that the young people themselves will get
Speaker 2: sick of social media, maybe that maybe it's become old hat,
Speaker 2: maybe they're into something new. I don't know that that's true,
Speaker 2: but I wonder about that.
Speaker 4: Well as well. Like my daughter's there saying like she's
Speaker 4: she's just like that's the thing. It's like she's just
Speaker 4: over it now. Like you know, she has a TikTok,
Speaker 4: but it's you know, as far as Instagram and everything
Speaker 4: like that goes, she's just like she's what everything from
Speaker 4: her accounts and it's just that thing where it's.
Speaker 2: Like what's the format? What was the format of the bullying?
Speaker 2: Was the bullying TikTok or face a Facebook?
Speaker 4: The bullying it was it was basically primary school.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was on what social media form?
Speaker 4: Well, it was just like a school format that basically
Speaker 4: kids were on from from the school and just basically
Speaker 4: kids got the wrong idea about bits and pieces and
Speaker 4: just basically attacked her online kind of stuff. I was
Speaker 4: lucky enough. I talked to the principal and it was
Speaker 4: sorted out pretty much straight away. Everything was out with
Speaker 4: But it's it's everything, Like it wasn't so much on
Speaker 4: a so like Instagram or techtok, but it was like
Speaker 4: these schools seemed to have like pages like with the
Speaker 4: students kind of clock into and rumors are spread. Basically
Speaker 4: the stuff is said.
Speaker 2: School, the school, the school lap Yeah okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. It's just like and it just spirals out
Speaker 4: of control kind of stuff. So it's lucky enough that
Speaker 4: like she went through it in primary school, intermediate kind
Speaker 4: of stuff. But like now she's in high school. It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, it was still a factor last year when
Speaker 4: she was like basically and unfitful, but like now she's
Speaker 4: just kind of like she's over it, she's you know,
Speaker 4: it's just so hopefully she's risen above it.
Speaker 2: Nice to hear from you, Scott, Thank you. Fifteen past nine.
Speaker 2: Mike Marcus welcome.
Speaker 7: I am Marcus.
Speaker 2: Good Mike.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Hey, look, these are smartphones and the apps that these
Speaker 7: young people are able to access certain services. The tense
Speaker 7: draws them away from uh, you know, the their lack
Speaker 7: of knowing where there, where they are, you know, what,
Speaker 7: what they're moving about.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I really don't.
Speaker 7: I really don't think their whole situational awareness is really bad.
Speaker 7: And for me, that is like taking away the most
Speaker 7: basic instinct of a human.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, you're saying social media takes wrecks their
Speaker 2: development of the world, dyn and their spatial is that
Speaker 2: what you're saying. It stunts them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, out of their spatial awareness.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And it's like not having you know, an immediate conscience
Speaker 7: of whether they're at while they're doing something with the moon,
Speaker 7: about in the community or whatever. And it seemed to
Speaker 7: really just sort of dumb things down.
Speaker 2: Okay, your favor of the band, Mike.
Speaker 7: I am in favor of band.
Speaker 2: If you if you're kids about that age, No, I
Speaker 2: don't okay, but you just can see the lack of
Speaker 2: spatial awareness.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can see it in the community.
Speaker 2: That's what we want. You're a seer. Oh wait, one
Speaker 2: hundred eighty daddy texts. Keep those going, Marcus. It's not
Speaker 2: in the social damage. But pedestrian injuries are up around
Speaker 2: fifty percent.
Speaker 1: Of the ten years.
Speaker 2: Who that's probably the way the driving's going, is it
Speaker 2: or is it because people are on their phones. I
Speaker 2: don't know, Marcus. The wombs are out of the can.
Speaker 2: You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Gosh,
Speaker 2: that's a couple of metaphors. What's thed is education and
Speaker 2: engagement for parents. They are best able to lead by example.
Speaker 2: That you're not overbearing legislation that will never be enforceable.
Speaker 2: I'd be thinking me quite easy to enforce it. He
Speaker 2: enforced anything.
Speaker 7: Good.
Speaker 2: New social media story. My sixteen year old son when
Speaker 2: he was fourteen, sold gibbets for CROs. He put it
Speaker 2: from Ali Baba to the people have bled him on
Speaker 2: Facebook Marketplace. He made two and a half thousand dollar profit.
Speaker 2: Not bad for a fourteen year old gibbets. There are
Speaker 2: those things you put through the hole in your crocs.
Speaker 2: I think probably the gibbet thing has passed. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I want a gibbet. I've never had a
Speaker 2: of Crocs. I'm not entirely sure. It needs to happen
Speaker 2: for me to have a peer, because they probably are a.
Speaker 4: Bit of me.
Speaker 2: I did watch a woman online that made this is
Speaker 2: me online. She made it. Some of the contries is
Speaker 2: quite compelling. She made a pair of crocs out of wood.
Speaker 2: It tooked like fourteen days. And most people saying online
Speaker 2: their clogs, what you're making is clogs, but they had
Speaker 2: the holes and the safety strap. Ban ban ban ban
Speaker 2: everyone wants. No one's got a good social media story.
Speaker 2: I could even remember my first engagement with social media.
Speaker 2: It was on Facebook when those were the days old
Speaker 2: photos been sheared. Goodness. The funny thing is if you're
Speaker 2: a certain age when you have photos, old photos shared
Speaker 2: on Facebook. There weren't many photos because no one had cameras.
Speaker 2: Night clubbing. It wasn't something you did. Do you ever
Speaker 2: see a photo of yourself out and about with the
Speaker 2: warbye boot? I mean it was quite different because there
Speaker 2: weren't many. I was like, whoa, I love a claw machine.
Speaker 2: I've got my arm stuck in one trying to reach
Speaker 2: up into the delivery hole. I had a few wines,
Speaker 2: to be honest, Sonya karaka. Nice to hear from you, sonya.
Speaker 2: Or it does look tempting, by the way, some of
Speaker 2: the ones online very interesting things you can win with
Speaker 2: the grabbers. A lot of those arcades now just when
Speaker 2: tickets well, I'm not a big fan of that, redeemed
Speaker 2: tickets for prizes because the prizes are all junk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not nearly as exciting. Love me a claw machine, Well,
Speaker 2: I don't really love it because I refuse to play them,
Speaker 2: but I do like the psychology of them. I do
Speaker 2: find them quite fascinating. Hello, Abby, it's Marcus. Welcome.
Speaker 12: Hi.
Speaker 2: How's it going good yourself?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You hopped.
Speaker 9: What they say?
Speaker 2: You're hop day? Are you hooked on car machines?
Speaker 14: No, not not so much. My dad's actually listening at
Speaker 14: them minutes so I'm calling. He told me to call
Speaker 14: up and tell the core machine story. So I thought
Speaker 14: I would because he'll be in the shed laughing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, here we go. Yep.
Speaker 14: It's not even that great of a story. It's just
Speaker 14: the time when we've turned through Wellington once when I
Speaker 14: was like seven, yeah or something. We were staying at
Speaker 14: a hotel that was just down the road from an
Speaker 14: old time zone we like every single day, and it
Speaker 14: happened to gone like a machine sphere And when me
Speaker 14: and old it was like a plush toy guitar.
Speaker 5: And I was over the moon.
Speaker 2: Did you win it?
Speaker 14: Yeah? Yeah, you won it for me?
Speaker 2: After how long?
Speaker 14: It didn't take him too long?
Speaker 2: I don't, wow, but he must think that is it
Speaker 2: the story he wanted you to tell?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Have you still got the plush guitar? Yeah, of course,
Speaker 2: that's okay. So they had gone there and you're both and
Speaker 2: he won it. Brilliant. That's nice. You've got you to
Speaker 2: bring that story, Abby. I like that. That's great. Okay,
Speaker 2: there we go. That's the story. Is he in the
Speaker 2: Is this ship in the same house as you? Abby?
Speaker 2: Is he like I've moved out a home that same city? Yeah?
Speaker 14: Of course.
Speaker 2: How big is the plush guitar?
Speaker 14: It's only a little wee thing, like a foot long
Speaker 14: or something.
Speaker 2: Because you can't win anything very big. The ones with basketballs,
Speaker 2: they're my favorite.
Speaker 14: Yeah, Now it's just a small ways brilliant.
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go. Just character headlines. If we want
Speaker 2: to talk about claw machines. Well, that's good that people
Speaker 2: are ringing their daughters getting them to call get in touch.
Speaker 2: The social media ban will never actually happen. It's just
Speaker 2: a smoke screen to for that other grubby policy they
Speaker 2: washed through today. Can't stand lux and he's a dog
Speaker 2: in sheep's clothing. One of them is on pay equity
Speaker 2: for women, and one of them is that they can
Speaker 2: actually now allow for big problems projects like dams. They
Speaker 2: can allow kiwis and animals like that to die. So yeah,
Speaker 2: fairly controversial. Hello Michael, it's Marcus. Good evening, Good evening.
Speaker 13: How are you good?
Speaker 2: Michael? Thank you.
Speaker 13: So social media ban and not only I have to
Speaker 13: go with David Seymour and that it's not a workable proposal.
Speaker 13: So social media is not great. I agree, but that
Speaker 13: banning an online website, I just always banning alcohol doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Well, hang about, hang about because they reckoned once, the
Speaker 2: Aussie one kick, And I mean, I mean, if you're
Speaker 2: a David Simwa echo like fair play to you, but
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 13: It's not a fair personal But he's a normally right
Speaker 13: about this.
Speaker 2: But they reckon once the Australian one goes in that
Speaker 2: and it's proven to be successful. Which they're confident of
Speaker 2: is that every other country in the world will copy
Speaker 2: it for every quickly. And there are bands for there
Speaker 2: are bands for things with age groups. I mean the
Speaker 2: alcohol ban is you're not comparing like with like. If
Speaker 2: you look at banning cigarettes to people under sixteen, most
Speaker 2: under sixteen year olds don't smoke.
Speaker 13: No, but most I said, I will have drunk at
Speaker 13: some point in the life. Like drunk at some point.
Speaker 13: Most alcohol bands are under aythings has never been really
Speaker 13: huge YEA.
Speaker 2: Good, well it has really because most understand I'm talking
Speaker 2: about smokes. Most under sixteen year olds haven't smoked. I
Speaker 2: mean they might have smoked occasionally, but they're not hooked
Speaker 2: on at twenty four seven like social media and people
Speaker 2: and people under eighteen do not tend to be addicted
Speaker 2: to alcohol. They don't tend to have enough experience with
Speaker 2: it to have formed an addiction. Yet people eleven and
Speaker 2: ten are addicted to social media. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know where David Seymour has any expertise on
Speaker 2: this whatsoever.
Speaker 13: Not been appeared a little bit which is useful I
Speaker 13: work as a software engineer the tech industry, so websites
Speaker 13: are kind of my specialty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you struggled Have you struggled with the consequence
Speaker 2: of children and addiction on social media?
Speaker 13: Not personally, No, I think, in fact, at least a
Speaker 13: depression a lot of young adults. The studies are very
Speaker 13: clear of the fact it's not great. So it's just
Speaker 13: it's the technology to ban any sort of digital interface.
Speaker 13: It doesn't exist. There's no reasonable way. They tried to
Speaker 13: do it. What's the pirate? They went back and there,
Speaker 13: Well have you work?
Speaker 2: Have you seen how the Australians attempting to do it?
Speaker 13: I have, and it's it's really weird. It's not a waysist.
Speaker 13: The dependent social media is so like Snapchat got left
Speaker 13: out I believe of their definition because it's used for communications.
Speaker 13: No YouTube US social media.
Speaker 2: YouTube was the one that got left out.
Speaker 13: Yes, which also is also social media, and.
Speaker 2: There's nothing about there's nothing about snapchat, but YouTube is
Speaker 2: the one that's not been included.
Speaker 13: I think, right, yeah, yeah, and there will.
Speaker 2: Be a group there is. It's called the Do you
Speaker 2: know much about the age check certification scheme?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 13: Actually, haven't heard of that.
Speaker 2: Now, okay, that's the UK company that's been recruited to
Speaker 2: conduct assessment of the technology used to determine whether people
Speaker 2: are the age they say they are when accessing social media.
Speaker 2: So they've done the report and they will have people
Speaker 2: involved also, a group of people that will be sixty
Speaker 2: or under sixteen that will be trying to get on
Speaker 2: these devices, so school children will test out estimation with
Speaker 2: tech estimates estimates how old a user is. So there's
Speaker 2: quite complicated things. And I presume they could probably ban
Speaker 2: social media companies that allow sixteen people under sixteen to
Speaker 2: use those platforms, just like a dairy selling smokes to
Speaker 2: under sixteen year olds could get banned.
Speaker 13: I mean, I'm sure they I'm sure they could. Look
Speaker 13: as privenationalogy would work, and I hide up that it
Speaker 13: as privilegeology does work, then sure it sounds like a great,
Speaker 13: great solution. I just have very little faith in the
Speaker 13: technology to work. I guess is my perspective, that does work. Fantastic,
Speaker 13: But maybe that's.
Speaker 2: All the parents need. Maybe your parents need to say
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to be on and it's banned. I
Speaker 2: mean that yeah, itself would be something, would it not.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something well, I don't know if I'll
Speaker 2: tell you something, but something that I am interested in
Speaker 2: bloring a little bit. Often when there's legislation proposed, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is ever going to be drawn,
Speaker 2: but the Australian one is going to happen. That often
Speaker 2: when legislation is proposed, people will say it'll never work,
Speaker 2: which is a really easy thing to say, because how
Speaker 2: did you disprove that that it will work? But here's
Speaker 2: a question for you. What's an example of a piece
Speaker 2: of legislation that was introduced that didn't work. I'm sure
Speaker 2: there are some, but I can't remember what they are.
Speaker 2: We always hear about things that aren't going to work,
Speaker 2: and it always seems to they always seem to find
Speaker 2: a way to make them work. I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: of a form of legislation. I mean, we could talk
Speaker 2: about that left hand turn rule, that weird one when
Speaker 2: you gave right, you gave way to traffic on your
Speaker 2: right turning right, and then I'll joy So Stephen always
Speaker 2: came in with the National Party and got that overturned,
Speaker 2: one of his great achievements the old remember that. So
Speaker 2: that was a but that worked for the time it
Speaker 2: was just confusing and seemed a bit daft, and they
Speaker 2: went back. But I just want to think about legislations
Speaker 2: they say are never going to work and actually do work.
Speaker 2: So I can't think any time the naysayers were proven right,
Speaker 2: can you? Probably prohibition would be the one thing that
Speaker 2: was not successful. And I presume that was to do
Speaker 2: with bribery and cops gone bad and crooked judges. This
Speaker 2: is the American occasion. But yes, so you might want
Speaker 2: to talk about that also tonight. Social media and claw machines.
Speaker 2: How to beat them? Banning social media to under sixteen
Speaker 2: should have been done fifteen years ago. Children. They are
Speaker 2: so groomed with these apps they will do anything to bypastorals.
Speaker 2: It won't work. Focus on other more issues. I'm a
Speaker 2: national support of but disagree with this. Shut the gate
Speaker 2: after the bull has charged? How will it be monitored?
Speaker 2: Michelle follow the money. Michelle also said I believe that
Speaker 2: Anzac Day should have more importance than Easter in New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Has Anzac affected everyone in New Zealand? Easter is only
Speaker 2: for those that believe in it. Wow, we got Anzac Day.
Speaker 2: Someone says MMP is one of those things that people
Speaker 2: had said it never worked, but it worked well. People
Speaker 2: say it didn't work, and it did well. I think
Speaker 2: people are happy with them MP. Do we have another
Speaker 2: chance to vote on it again, we'd decide to stick
Speaker 2: with it. I think the majority are quite in favor
Speaker 2: of mmp.
Speaker 7: OH.
Speaker 2: A lot of people said that banning plastic bag wouldn't work.
Speaker 2: It seems to have been quite successful. It's a good
Speaker 2: point that one blending of plastic straws that seemed to work.
Speaker 2: Trump didn't like it. America's gone back and they've banned
Speaker 2: the paper ones. I think a lot of parents will
Speaker 2: be upset because taking away their social media and turn
Speaker 2: you're taking away their babysitter. Thanks Patrick Marcus. The classic
Speaker 2: band that never worked was the ban on spray paint
Speaker 2: to stop graffiti. Did they have a band on spray paint?
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that. I don't know how
Speaker 2: they get hold of it. I know it's age restricted,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I actually think there's not much tagging it
Speaker 2: all these days. I mean, for a while, they're twenty
Speaker 2: years ago and talk aback was a total moral panic.
Speaker 2: But these days, I mean people just ignored it, and
Speaker 2: it seems to pretty well sorted itself out, hasn't it.
Speaker 2: I'm just reading about the Boo Boo if anyone's across
Speaker 2: the story, So Craze sweeping Australia properly New Zealand. La Booboo,
Speaker 2: a very plushy featuring a bizarre grin and sharp teeth,
Speaker 2: has become the ultimate status Buddhists boosting item pop with
Speaker 2: huge celebrities such as Rihanna and Jua Lupa lipa designed
Speaker 2: by Hong Kong born artists Kasing Long. The product is
Speaker 2: sold by Chinese toy company PopMart. Finding collaboration with Loan
Speaker 2: on the storybook The Monsters, recent in twenty fifteen. So
Speaker 2: that's what everyone wants. I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2: You might have something understand something about that. It's fully
Speaker 2: grown adults, not children so much that are desperate for
Speaker 2: these I want to talk about social media. What harm
Speaker 2: would it do to Bannitt Marcus. I think it's never
Speaker 2: too late. Ban it now and you'll see results in
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen years Marcus. More importantly, is there any
Speaker 2: rain hitting the hydro lakes? Cheers Ga. The lakes low
Speaker 2: has been dry down southeast. I think there will be
Speaker 2: raining in the hydro lakes. It will be a very
Speaker 2: special thing. Spray cans locked away in hard you don't
Speaker 2: know where people get hold of them anyway, Marcus klaw machines.
Speaker 2: When I was working at my first job at the
Speaker 2: Bowling Alley, there was an arcade which included claw machines,
Speaker 2: one of which was for giant soft toys, and the
Speaker 2: claw was mess if. One girl had her money stuck
Speaker 2: in the machine and by the time I fixed it,
Speaker 2: she was gone. I hit the button to release the
Speaker 2: glorious claw and picked up a huge pink bear. Pretty
Speaker 2: big women. In terms of soft toys and claw machine.
Speaker 2: Side topic, I had a Nippy's five hundred million stay beautiful.
Speaker 2: Side topic two spurs aren't that good? I don't follow
Speaker 2: English football, but thank you for that. Oh what else
Speaker 2: can I tell you? People? A new Pope. The vote
Speaker 2: for the new Pope starts tomorrow. Mother's Day is Sunday.
Speaker 2: The new Miss Mission Impossible movie, The Final Reckoning starts
Speaker 2: on the seventeenth of May, and the budget is on
Speaker 2: the twenty second of May. This day in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: Charles three and Kimilleu a crown King and Queen. This
Speaker 2: year in two thousand and for the final episode of
Speaker 2: Friends aired. I don't know what happened in the final
Speaker 2: episode of Friends. This day in nineteen ninety four, that's
Speaker 2: thirty one years ago, the Channel Tunnel opened. This day.
Speaker 2: In fifty four, Roger Banister became the first person to
Speaker 2: run a mile under four minutes. And this day, in
Speaker 2: thirty seven the Hindenburg zeppelin filled with hydrogen went up
Speaker 2: in flame. So she's a big day in history. Also
Speaker 2: to this happening in Sydney. If you park over someone's
Speaker 2: driveway in Sydney, fine as six hundred and sixty dollars.
Speaker 2: Sure there'd be great fans for that here. Now, how
Speaker 2: likely is a world war within the next ten years?
Speaker 2: I can tell you forty one. Between forty one and
Speaker 2: fifty five percent of respondents in five European countries British, Britain, Spain, Germany,
Speaker 2: Italy and Spain said they thought another world war was
Speaker 2: fairy or fairly likely with the next five to ten
Speaker 2: five to ten years, if you shared, by forty five
Speaker 2: percent of Americans and sixty eight to seventy of six
Speaker 2: percent said they expected any new confort would involve nuclear weapons,
Speaker 2: and fifty seven to seventy three percent thought a third
Speaker 2: World War would lead to great loss of life in
Speaker 2: the nineteen thirty nineteen forty five war. Oh that's not
Speaker 2: free cheery, is it. But get in touch. You on
Speaker 2: to be part of the show. Marcus till twelfth, social
Speaker 2: media and claw machines love your talk before the news
Speaker 2: if you want to come through. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: we think we know why Trump wants to reopen Alcatraz.
Speaker 2: Now Alcatraz represented something very strong, very powerful in terms
Speaker 2: of law and order. Our country needs law and order. Alcatraz,
Speaker 2: I would say the ultimate right Alcatraz sings, singing Alcatraz
Speaker 2: the movies. Trump continued, Now, it's not right now, not,
Speaker 2: it's right now a museum, believe it. A lot of
Speaker 2: people go there. It's how's the most violent criminals in
Speaker 2: the world, And nobody ever escaped. One person got there,
Speaker 2: but they, as you know the story, they found his
Speaker 2: clothing rather barely ripped up, and it had a lot
Speaker 2: of shark bites, a lot of problems. But it seems
Speaker 2: as though it's sharks at freak about So none of
Speaker 2: this is true. But he's obsessed with sharks, and that
Speaker 2: seems to be the whole thing for that. Trump has
Speaker 2: a long standing interest in sharks. During the campaign, he
Speaker 2: spoke occasion about electric batteries and choosing introcution over death
Speaker 2: by shark attack. In twenty fifteen, he nearly landed a
Speaker 2: leading role in the Sharknado three film, So there we go.
Speaker 2: It's all about sharks. The Alcatraz history page sketches out
Speaker 2: fourteen escape attempts, but none that mentioned a shark bitten shirt.
Speaker 2: In fact, it states that one of the many myths
Speaker 2: about Alcatraz is it was impossible to survive aor swimthyard to
Speaker 2: the main lmber because of sharks. In fact, there are
Speaker 2: no managing sharks in San Francisco Bay, only small bottom
Speaker 2: feeding sharks. The main obstacles with a cold temperatu the
Speaker 2: strong currents in the distance. To sure, Trump segue to
Speaker 2: the movies when asked why he wanted to open the
Speaker 2: Toorious prison. I guess I was supposed to be a
Speaker 2: movie maker, he said, after fielding an earlier question about
Speaker 2: his sudden announcement to step one hundred percent tariffon films
Speaker 2: produced in foreign lands. We are talking about the banning
Speaker 2: of social media to under sixteens. A lot of people
Speaker 2: say it well, but most people a sense of very
Speaker 2: much in favor of it. I am ambivalent, but I
Speaker 2: think that the criticism is that it can't You can't
Speaker 2: just say you can't do something because it's not going
Speaker 2: to work. I think if you really want to do something,
Speaker 2: you can make it work if there is that will,
Speaker 2: and there seems to be that will. But yeah, the
Speaker 2: parents are to blame because the parents enable children because
Speaker 2: they give them phones, and they give them phones because
Speaker 2: they want to be good pair. They want to know
Speaker 2: where their children are and they want their children have
Speaker 2: phones because it's easy for logistics for pickups and change
Speaker 2: of plans and the likes. So the parents are to
Speaker 2: blame it. I'm sure the parents themselves haven't grown up
Speaker 2: with it, so they're just giving that to them and
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be easier thing. And unfortunately
Speaker 2: they give their children their own their own old phones
Speaker 2: which are smartphone enabled, and of course the kids get
Speaker 2: given that. It's like you know, trying to get altitude
Speaker 2: and then down to sea level, you just can't. You
Speaker 2: just go nuts because there's so much there. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it is a parental problem, but the parents have no idea.
Speaker 2: Parents are busy, they just want to do their best,
Speaker 2: but it seems to me they're making mistakes. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and I guess if there is a band, they can say, hey, no,
Speaker 2: the government has banned it. You're not allowed to cell phone.
Speaker 2: Or if they've got a cell phone and it's got
Speaker 2: those apps and they say, hey, you've got to leave
Speaker 2: those it's illegal. Give you something to say, doesn't It
Speaker 2: gives you a point of contact. You say you can't
Speaker 2: do that. It's like if you find your kid drinking
Speaker 2: and say, hey, eighteen, is it eighteen anyway? Or doing
Speaker 2: something else whatever it is, meth or I don't know
Speaker 2: what the analogy is, but you'll thought of something. Or
Speaker 2: spray painting buildings. Alex ats Marcus, good evening.
Speaker 5: Hi Marcus.
Speaker 15: There you're going complainer of the band. I've got two
Speaker 15: daughters growing up, got two daughters growing up. Really want
Speaker 15: to avoid them using this stuff. In terms of how
Speaker 15: it can be implemented, the government actually has an online
Speaker 15: logan for something called real Meat, which tracks your study link,
Speaker 15: your IOD, your company's office, company registration all in one
Speaker 15: and has all your personal data. Now Facebook doesn't have
Speaker 15: to have all that data. What the GCSA, and you
Speaker 15: know government passes can do that, say track if you're
Speaker 15: trying to go Facebook dot com, it prompts you to
Speaker 15: log in through that before you can access the website
Speaker 15: Facebook dot com. And the only way you get access
Speaker 15: to Facebook dot com if identifies that, oh, according to
Speaker 15: this profile, you're over sixteen, you get an iod number
Speaker 15: of very much at a very young age, under eighteen
Speaker 15: as soon as your first job at et cetera. So
Speaker 15: you know, I don't see why not that can be
Speaker 15: implemented as a gateway to get it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 15: They're not going to stop people paming a VPN that
Speaker 15: tells you that, oh, you're logging in from the USA
Speaker 15: or something like that. Kids have to really pay for
Speaker 15: that or go some reary, nefurious means to get into
Speaker 15: that stuff. So I think that's one of the ways
Speaker 15: it can be implemented them shouldn't be too costs since
Speaker 15: we already.
Speaker 2: Have the infrastructure, and talk to me about this is
Speaker 2: there must be a way if because Facebook is operating here,
Speaker 2: they need to respect their rules. So Facebook, TikTok, Snapchat, Instagram,
Speaker 2: if they find that they have got sixteen year old
Speaker 2: uzellers on their site. Surely they can be banned because
Speaker 2: that would be the law in our country and they
Speaker 2: would be not be o bay. I mean, they can
Speaker 2: only operate in our country if they provide, if they
Speaker 2: obey the laws laws of this country. So you have
Speaker 2: some significant times for them if yeah, I know what
Speaker 2: you're say, Yeah, okay, go again.
Speaker 15: You know what what I'm saying is that you know,
Speaker 15: not necessarily a law to ban it, but more like
Speaker 15: we have a gateway to get into the website initially,
Speaker 15: so yes, it's not like it's a legal ban. It's
Speaker 15: more like, oh well then you see on government has
Speaker 15: a policy you have to log in through before you
Speaker 15: can access this website. And suddenly, what's he do you know?
Speaker 15: You can't get into the website if you're under sixteenth.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying if someone does manage to bypass
Speaker 2: that and they do find themselves on Facebook, then New
Speaker 2: Zeidland government can find Facebook for allowing someone under sixteen
Speaker 2: who's a citizen of this country on Facebook, and they
Speaker 2: could actually that could that would encourage Facebook to be
Speaker 2: slightly more rigorous with who they lead. I don't even
Speaker 2: know what the age group is for Facebook, do you.
Speaker 16: Well?
Speaker 15: I don't need a Personally, I have to stop using
Speaker 15: it as off right. But if I'm perfectly honest, I
Speaker 15: think that's a slippery slope. When you start talking to
Speaker 15: big organizations saying or you have to do this, you
Speaker 15: have to do that, it's more like, you know, one, we.
Speaker 12: Just have.
Speaker 5: A lot of kids.
Speaker 2: Dang, I'm sorry, Why is this slippery slope? I mean
Speaker 2: if you ben if you do you find dairies for
Speaker 2: selling cigarettes to sixteen year fifteen year olds, why couldn't
Speaker 2: you find Facebook for allowing fifteen year olds on their website?
Speaker 2: You don't say its the slippery slope If daiies aren't
Speaker 2: allowed to sell smokes to kids.
Speaker 15: Okay, Well Facebook's not only just there for the social
Speaker 15: media aspect. They have a marketplace, so cerdainly if you say, well,
Speaker 15: you can't act this Facebook to use marketplace, do you
Speaker 15: say the same about trading to those same kids that
Speaker 15: want to sell stuff on trading or buy stuff off trading?
Speaker 2: Well, do you think kids should be on Facebook and
Speaker 2: on marketplace?
Speaker 15: I don't think they should be. I'm just saying what
Speaker 15: defines whether that's social media or whether that's just something
Speaker 15: where you sell and buy goods.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think social media and the Australians. In the
Speaker 2: Australian example, it's Facebook, Facebook, It's Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 2: So Facebook would bean marketplace as well.
Speaker 15: Okay, so we have a blanket band across all aspects
Speaker 15: of Facebook and meta applications as well. So that's WhatsApp
Speaker 15: fall into that as well in that case market because
Speaker 15: that's just literally just the texting and calling app.
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I don't know, we're already looking
Speaker 2: at the Australian example, Australian social social media all.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it covers all the meta applications, including WhatsApp,
Speaker 15: which I find pointless to be honest. But that's just
Speaker 15: calling and texting. I mean, you know what, what's the
Speaker 15: harmond that's a seen year olds?
Speaker 2: Are your kids on WhatsApp?
Speaker 15: No, that's too young. I don't wanted to grow into
Speaker 15: that sort of stuff. But yeah, I've probably pull a
Speaker 15: lot of parental controls. But what I'm suggesting is the
Speaker 15: government and force parental control in the way I mean,
Speaker 15: you know, passing a law. You know what else do
Speaker 15: we start banning after, you know, after social media, we
Speaker 15: find something else that's harmful be Alex.
Speaker 2: WhatsApp's not in the band?
Speaker 5: Oh good good. I don't agree for what's band?
Speaker 2: WhatsApp Messenger kids? What are the others? WhatsApp Messenger kids?
Speaker 2: What are the others? Don Google, classroom, YouTube and kids
Speaker 2: help line out of the scope of yeah, YouTube and
Speaker 2: the band Alex. The band hasn't happened yet. It doesn't
Speaker 2: happen until December.
Speaker 5: There's gonna be.
Speaker 15: Some sort of lobbying because these these are multi billion
Speaker 15: dollar dollar organizations. They're probably going to do something to
Speaker 15: get around this sort of stuff. And we'll never see
Speaker 15: the light of day of the band.
Speaker 2: I reckon convinced the light of day Alex. It's been
Speaker 2: It's been hailed around the world, has been the most
Speaker 2: significant policy in Australia. Yeah, it'll happen. I have no doubts. Marcus.
Speaker 2: Your phone is not old unless it's broken, so it's
Speaker 2: no use to your children. Why are you buying a
Speaker 2: new phone if there's nothing wrong with it. I think
Speaker 2: people are updating, aren't they. They justify give themselves a
Speaker 2: new phone thing. It'll be good for the kids, Marcus,
Speaker 2: It's a dumb idea. Kids will just navigate to another
Speaker 2: social media page and then there'll be zero protection. I'd
Speaker 2: much rather my kids using the same thing I'm on.
Speaker 2: Really wow, we were the kids my great too. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: get in touch Jamie Marcus. Welcome, Hey Mark, and.
Speaker 12: Here you go.
Speaker 16: Call her, call her about past marketplace. It my fifteen
Speaker 16: year old or is forever getting kicked off marketplace?
Speaker 5: Really too?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 16: Yeah too? They just turn it off. So I think
Speaker 16: it's because he's too young. So he asked me for
Speaker 16: an email address, and he always manages to get it back,
Speaker 16: but then he'll yeah, then they work out that he's
Speaker 16: too young, and then they shut it down. Happened, It
Speaker 16: happened to all of us.
Speaker 2: Made what So he's fifteen? What are they buying and
Speaker 2: selling on Marketplace?
Speaker 16: I just looked for like cheap motorbikes and things he
Speaker 16: can fix. And then he tries to swap a motorbike
Speaker 16: he's fixed for something else. Is quite entrepreneurial.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that seems like a real gift for him.
Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, so but yeah, they and then his screens
Speaker 16: are always you know, and anyone got an email address,
Speaker 16: we need to sign up again marketplayer. Just anyone plays
Speaker 16: the marketplace. But then they do sign up again, and
Speaker 16: sometimes I won't give them the marketplace back. They only
Speaker 16: give them the faith. And then they're quite funny and they
Speaker 16: feel ripped off that they went through all the rigular
Speaker 16: role to sign up again and that they haven't even
Speaker 16: got it back again.
Speaker 2: So he's quite sensible with the social media by the
Speaker 2: sounds of things.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, he's pretty good. I was. The two younger
Speaker 16: kids six and seven. They're not on it obviously, but yeah,
Speaker 16: he like, yeah, we've just moved to the country last week,
Speaker 16: so I think he probably needs the social media to
Speaker 16: chat to experience and then snipchat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll be remote. Now, you'll be remote, not knowing
Speaker 2: any one. They've moved them to the boondocks.
Speaker 16: Yeaheah, yeah, that's yeah. It's just funny how you so differently.
Speaker 16: They are kind of self policing it. I guess, well,
Speaker 16: I can only go for meta. I don't know about
Speaker 16: the other like ticked off and what.
Speaker 2: Hate? How they call it meta? See the country fell
Speaker 2: out of love with that, and didn't they?
Speaker 16: Oh how yeah, how good funny? I look at I
Speaker 16: look at it as nothing talks to the camera, like
Speaker 16: because he's the next cop. Like he's just pulled you
Speaker 16: over and he's about to give you a ticket, but
Speaker 16: before he's given you the ticket, he gives you a spear.
Speaker 5: Mate.
Speaker 16: You know, I could have done you twenty over, but
Speaker 16: I'm only going to give you ten because I'm a
Speaker 16: good guy. You know. He kind of put that xt
Speaker 16: cop sort of vibe. And the Trump policies are very
Speaker 16: trump like. Think once Trump came the US economy, the
Speaker 16: Australians didn't want a bar of them.
Speaker 2: You make a good point with cops a because that
Speaker 2: cops small talk when you've been pulled over. Boy, that's
Speaker 2: going to be some of the most that's going to
Speaker 2: be some of the most difficult conversations you have because
Speaker 2: you're not really in a position of power.
Speaker 17: Are you.
Speaker 16: Yeah, And I just think he's yeah, Like that's how
Speaker 16: Dune Import to the Nation was like that. So I
Speaker 16: kind of thought he, yeah, there was no compassion, you know,
Speaker 16: whereas you look at Elbow, I sort of talked up
Speaker 16: a bit of compassion and I know he's kind of
Speaker 16: he captures you. But then a lot of my Australian
Speaker 16: teams they are too they were going to vote for
Speaker 16: They all said, are you going to vote for Liberals?
Speaker 16: Because liberals are known to be good with the economy.
Speaker 5: That's all they did.
Speaker 16: I was like, can you elaborate on that? And they
Speaker 16: could have. There's no good with the economy. Liberals are
Speaker 16: only want the economy.
Speaker 2: And I'm really, how are they feeling about How are
Speaker 2: they feeling about the loss? They took it badly? They're
Speaker 2: good with the economy type people.
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, well they just obviously the sound bad. But
Speaker 16: the uneducated truck rather so. I haven't actually spoken to
Speaker 16: them about it because it wiped me up too much.
Speaker 2: Nice to hear from your Jamie. You house worked out,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, the kids love it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 16: So the fifteen year old's got a wires end eighty five.
Speaker 16: So all weekend all I could hear was two stroke
Speaker 16: dirt figs sitting around. But yeah know they love it
Speaker 16: so cool.
Speaker 2: No rettlesnakes or anything.
Speaker 16: No, no, no. When we went to look at the place,
Speaker 16: we didn't see one stake. But I think they're hibernating now.
Speaker 4: It's pretty cold.
Speaker 2: Any koalas.
Speaker 13: I think that is.
Speaker 16: I haven't seen any. We did have a possum living
Speaker 16: and we call it the Bossom Ship. It was like
Speaker 16: an old water tank ship. But yeah, that doesn't seem
Speaker 16: to be there anymore.
Speaker 2: What what use the motorbike?
Speaker 16: Oh god, probably too sound and until or something that's
Speaker 16: cold old, But he loves it. Make the hell of
Speaker 16: the record.
Speaker 10: He seems to ride it.
Speaker 16: Around and just m riding around this remn and he
Speaker 16: must have loved the sound.
Speaker 2: Of the pretty good. Nice to hear from j We
Speaker 2: hold your horses, people with you soon get in touch, JT.
Speaker 2: Marcus welcome, good, how to go good, Thank you JT.
Speaker 3: As far as the social media goes, I'm in favor
Speaker 3: of the band. And the good thing we've learned today
Speaker 3: is that the Axe Party are a bunch of spineless douchebags. Wow,
Speaker 3: what they've done to punching down on woman today. And
Speaker 3: you know they are just idea logically driven the Muppets.
Speaker 3: My son is twelve and a half and I want
Speaker 3: this band to come in before in the next.
Speaker 2: Year as most of his mates got the phones.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. He's got a tablet that he's always using
Speaker 3: and he's one point seven meters tall and eighty five kg,
Speaker 3: so he's a big unit.
Speaker 2: And what's the fact that with the site's got to
Speaker 2: do with social media.
Speaker 3: You try taking it.
Speaker 2: I see what I see? Why? No, I'm glad, I asked,
Speaker 2: I see exactly what you're saying. Okay, well yeah, okay, yep.
Speaker 3: Recently he's even started getting up halfway through the night
Speaker 3: and putting a movie on in the lounge.
Speaker 2: It's going to make parenting. It's going to make parenting
Speaker 2: much easier if it's illegal. And I'm not saying you
Speaker 2: and I are week parents because it would be anything,
Speaker 2: but but boy, oh boy, it's going to make things easier.
Speaker 3: Just just the fact that you can say that it's illegal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can't legal. That's sixteen.
Speaker 3: That's all you need. And all these social media owners
Speaker 3: and like that, they don't let their own families use
Speaker 3: it because they know the way that algorithms work. I mean,
Speaker 3: I was going to introduce a new topic about did
Speaker 3: you hear about the twenty public halls in the center
Speaker 3: Otago Council area that they're trying to get rid of?
Speaker 2: Didn't click saw the headline, didn't click on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're trying to get They reckon that there's twenty halls,
Speaker 3: and they reckon they need three hundred thousand dollars each
Speaker 3: of earthquake strengthsening over the next five or sixty years
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, should there should be the condition of those
Speaker 2: billionaires moving there restore a hall.
Speaker 3: Those those halls have already been there for about one
Speaker 3: hundred years. They're not going to start falling down. It's
Speaker 3: just stupid laws that they try. And and the crazy
Speaker 3: thing about the many A Toto is the population's only
Speaker 3: ground by sixty people over the last twenty years, but
Speaker 3: yet the other half of the council area, Alexandra and
Speaker 3: Cromwell populations ground by at least fifty percent in.
Speaker 2: The last how long twenty years. I spent some time
Speaker 2: in the last couple of weekends up in Wonca, and
Speaker 2: I just could not believe how much, how big that
Speaker 2: whole three or what I'd ever know that shopping center
Speaker 2: that's gone. I can't work out what population they're expecting
Speaker 2: there is that much gone in there as far as
Speaker 2: retail and lighted. It's unbelievable. It's looking like it's going
Speaker 2: to be one hundred thousand, that they're planning for one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people's city.
Speaker 3: I went to Wanica there for the first time in
Speaker 3: about twelve years, about two weeks ago or three weeks ago,
Speaker 3: a ring up and said about it. And they've got
Speaker 3: that one lane bridge between christ Church and Wanaka that
Speaker 3: mind blowingly crazy.
Speaker 2: And how can you how can you just open a
Speaker 2: city to such an adult rate of commercialization and say
Speaker 2: you don't want a McDonald's. How smug is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I said, I said that to the locals.
Speaker 3: I think they are sick of hearing about people going
Speaker 3: on about how they need a McDonald's.
Speaker 2: Well, just come across as precious and slightly pious.
Speaker 3: That whole Uppercluse, the area with Albert Town and how
Speaker 3: we're flat and Lake Harware and Lugget and that it's
Speaker 3: going to end up being you know, it's going to
Speaker 3: end up being a city before too long.
Speaker 2: I think it ended up being South South, the South
Speaker 2: Island's second biggest city, because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. Everyone reckoned that CenTra Otago has got
Speaker 3: more populations than the Needing But it's going to take
Speaker 3: a lot longer before that happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's I mean, I don't. I mean,
Speaker 2: last time I looked at one o t only about
Speaker 2: ten thousand or something. I mean, but you check all
Speaker 2: the other bit to the.
Speaker 3: Twelve eight hundred.
Speaker 2: Okay, I look at those holes. Will they knock them
Speaker 2: down or will they sell them?
Speaker 3: Well, I think all the locals are going to rally
Speaker 3: round and start using them more. They need to be
Speaker 3: used like daily so that the say that the rent
Speaker 3: doesn't increase too much. But also a lot of those
Speaker 3: local communities they've had fundraisers, barbecues and all that to
Speaker 3: upgrade them and put a new kitchen equipment and all
Speaker 3: sorts to try and for the council to try and say,
Speaker 3: if the council wants to save money, they need to
Speaker 3: get rid of personnel, don't to get rid of country. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, so they were worried about the water bills. That's
Speaker 2: the trouble. Should have gone with three waters, but they
Speaker 2: two got too antsy about that. It's the key, that's
Speaker 2: why the rates are through the roof. I'm gonna run,
Speaker 2: Joe Tel I'm on headlines, but nice to hear from you, Marcus.
Speaker 2: My friends and I only communicate through various game chat
Speaker 2: rooms for parties, get together a business meetings because they
Speaker 2: can't be monitor hacked on. Social media apps are so
Speaker 2: last decade, so they can ban away. It won't make
Speaker 2: difference to us old people are so out of touch.
Speaker 2: There you go by the way people. I saw in
Speaker 2: the paper too that the hunt Ridge which has become
Speaker 2: one of the recent great walks. A lot of people
Speaker 2: did it the last season, big amount, which is which
Speaker 2: is good. It's a.
Speaker 8: Becau.
Speaker 2: It's a good walk. But the first days are fairly
Speaker 2: it's a long walk first days like six hours, which
Speaker 2: probably as far as great walks go, is quite a
Speaker 2: long time climbing up. So there you go. But that
Speaker 2: seems to be the one that everyone's doing. There's not
Speaker 2: much happens in two we before and after the walk.
Speaker 2: That's where you start from to a tarparty. So just
Speaker 2: warning you, but if you want to give it a go,
Speaker 2: I'd recommend it. Get in touch by name is Marcus.
Speaker 2: Social media and the Claw Machines. Did you know you
Speaker 2: could play the claw machines remotely? Because I never knew
Speaker 2: that you can actually play claw machines, real clor machines
Speaker 2: via your phone. Have you done that? How much have
Speaker 2: you won, doesn't matter how big your kids are, Just
Speaker 2: unplug your modem. What about the dodgy conversations that happened
Speaker 2: on chatrooms on Minecraft games that seems worrying. I don't
Speaker 2: really know about chatrooms on Minecraft. I know you can
Speaker 2: talk to people your friends. I haven't really experienced that.
Speaker 2: I think the children play Minecraft or Fortnite. Someone has
Speaker 2: sent a message that says rap Al curtis a brit
Speaker 2: that flew with the RNSNAF nineteen seventy three to nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine during the Royal Navy on the Sea Harrier
Speaker 2: killed today six eighty two. We took off in a
Speaker 2: peer to investigate a contact over the still burning HMS Sheffield.
Speaker 2: Neither he nor the wingmen were of a seen nor
Speaker 2: heard from again, presumed mid air collision. Someone some young
Speaker 2: persons come in and said that old people are say
Speaker 2: out of touch, but I'm around a lot of young
Speaker 2: people with kids, sports, whatever, and they seem to and yeah,
Speaker 2: there are people that are kids at eleven, twelve thirteen.
Speaker 2: They seem to be very, very captivated by TikTok. So
Speaker 2: you can say that they're out of touch, But are
Speaker 2: you telling me that children are into TikTok? It seems
Speaker 2: to me that they certainly are you with your special
Speaker 2: chat room, So maybe I am out of touch, but
Speaker 2: it seems to be the kids are all on TikTok.
Speaker 2: What about kids that want a what about kids that
Speaker 2: want a step hunter. They've had a nine year old
Speaker 2: that wat a smart watch that'll count your steps, thought,
Speaker 2: fidget spin a y, I'll count your steps. I told
Speaker 2: him and started counting his steps. Wasn't of that at all.
Speaker 2: One I was with the other kid the other day
Speaker 2: and they're at the basketball with some of his mates,
Speaker 2: and they said, who's that guy? That's my father? Least
Speaker 2: least he admitted it. My dad was sporting in like
Speaker 2: an Abe Lincoln bed and yeah, anyway, so yes, oh
Speaker 2: he's my father. I thought that was priceless. Who want
Speaker 2: to count their steps? Never wanted to count my steps.
Speaker 2: Don't think they're accurate. Marcus. My wife's son and his
Speaker 2: mate at a claw mashoe at the cinemas the Albany
Speaker 2: Ork and his mate won a toy. So when the
Speaker 2: trap door opened to drop the toy out, my son's
Speaker 2: wife's son jumped and then the door. Who got stuck
Speaker 2: in there to One of the staff opened up the
Speaker 2: glass door to let him out. He was in the
Speaker 2: mid twenties. The twitter the claw doesn't close until it's
Speaker 2: above the toy's head. If you have won one, then
Speaker 2: that's better than me. Marcus. The book style and focus
Speaker 2: and excellent openly inside of the power of social media
Speaker 2: distrectened the vent attention for all ages, not just young people.
Speaker 2: Well worth the read. I've instantly deleted all the apps
Speaker 2: and feel lighter and happier as a result. That's from James.
Speaker 2: If you complain that your Sky sport now lives live
Speaker 2: streamers glitching, Sky blames your into that connection, even if
Speaker 2: it's working fine for everything else. When I was a teenager,
Speaker 2: drinking under twenty one was illegal, didn't stop us. Sex
Speaker 2: hunder sixteen was illegal, didn't stop us. Making something illegal
Speaker 2: doesn't stop anything. It just makes it hidden. Kids have
Speaker 2: to learn from their own mistakes. Well that's not quite right, really, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I think you could, actually you could actually
Speaker 2: say quite a lot to that text. Good evening. When
Speaker 2: I was living in Perth, used to put coins in
Speaker 2: the claw masue at work, never onon phones or anything cool.
Speaker 2: BUTTT got a Kerbitt and a Miss Piggy and gone.
Speaker 2: So when they were providing the Muppets, I see Miss
Speaker 2: Piggy's on a bit of a comeback. She's become a
Speaker 2: pop culture icon. I see Marcus. I'm a mum of four,
Speaker 2: nana of three. Parents are responsible for teaching and guiding
Speaker 2: their kids. Schools should ban phones at school. They have
Speaker 2: that gentleman before saying is twelve year old ways eighty
Speaker 2: five kg states his son is up watching TV at
Speaker 2: two am. So what the government needs to do is
Speaker 2: turn off the TV system at eleven like that I
Speaker 2: used to so parents don't need to parent. My son
Speaker 2: doesn't allow his two children to watch TV at all.
Speaker 2: Monday to Friday TV no one watches TV. Parents pay
Speaker 2: the bill on the phone most of the time, have
Speaker 2: some control over what they can and can't do. There
Speaker 2: should be a phone planned for under sixteen year old
Speaker 2: with limited access. Well that's not a bad idea, but
Speaker 2: you make an age sixteen. You can't do social media
Speaker 2: bomb solved. I'll tell you what. There'll be a ton
Speaker 2: of votes in it. Luxan wants to get back in.
Speaker 2: That's what he needs to do, and then Chippy or
Speaker 2: say I'll do the same thing. Then there's no difference.
Speaker 2: You've kind of nullified it just like that. Also, some
Speaker 2: decis I've actually just got an email. This is a scam.
Speaker 2: I've just received an email right Health New Zealand, please
Speaker 2: confirm your email address held by health user and tifutto
Speaker 2: or they would be asking via an email to confume
Speaker 2: your email. Would they where this email address in our
Speaker 2: records that you've provided to one of our hospitals in
Speaker 2: the past. It's the bottom it's got, it's clever, it's
Speaker 2: got be aware of phishing email scams. If you're not
Speaker 2: comfortable selecting the links in the email, you can find
Speaker 2: more information on the Health New Zealand to futto or
Speaker 2: a website and search for patient email verification. Now that's clever.
Speaker 2: That's a scam, Adan, But they put the bottom bit.
Speaker 2: Where would I look to see if it's a scam? Oh,
Speaker 2: I tell my private email. I'll thought it to you.
Speaker 2: Include a tatrigion investment to.
Speaker 17: Dan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have a look at that time if that's a scam.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, it's got me confused. I'm in that age
Speaker 2: age group now I'm probably am susceptible to scams. Scams.
Speaker 2: Did it come through? What come through? Does it come through?
Speaker 2: It's because it Health New Zealand White White. Taha, it's weird.
Speaker 2: Does it come through?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I pushed scent. It's sent from here eleven o nine
Speaker 2: got it? Ere we go. Come on, people, let's be
Speaker 2: hearing from you. Anything else you might want to talk
Speaker 2: about tonight, would love to you. There might be something
Speaker 2: entirely different, random loose. I don't know what you got tonight.
Speaker 2: I just do my best. What have you got? People?
Speaker 2: Also the great walks? Have you done the hump Ridge?
Speaker 2: Have you climbed miser peak? There are two questions for you.
Speaker 2: There's a scam. It's a scam. It's a scam. It's
Speaker 2: a scam. Yeah, Why they're seeing emails to check on?
Speaker 2: That looks scammy though, Hey, it's unprompted exactly why they're
Speaker 2: seeing that. Has anyone else got a scam from Health
Speaker 2: New Zealand asking for email details? And I think it
Speaker 2: is a phishing scam? pH Come on, if you're driving
Speaker 2: doing something interesting, need your calls now. Let's get this
Speaker 2: last hour to go quickly so I get on with
Speaker 2: the day. People come on pretty bad. They rode down
Speaker 2: all those pool Hootakawa trees and Hawk's Bay. Cheapest. They'll
Speaker 2: get them on a security camera. By the way, we
Speaker 2: had to carry outside our house. It's all happened in Bluff.
Speaker 2: There was a ute that got set like to now
Speaker 2: they're looking for someone with a tin of petrel cheapest Glendaya.
Speaker 12: Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2: Is it not a scam? No?
Speaker 12: I work for a DHB and they are starting to
Speaker 12: send out people wanting to know confirmations of their right
Speaker 12: email so that they can start doing appointments by emails.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I don't think I've ever engaged with the
Speaker 2: health system apart from a collarbout about fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: Would that would that be what they've got it from?
Speaker 12: Could be, But I know with our DHB and they
Speaker 12: were starting to send out them to people that I
Speaker 12: don't know if it's because they're in the system or not,
Speaker 12: whether they go right through the hospital records and just
Speaker 12: check everybody. But I know that our DHB is definitely
Speaker 12: doing it.
Speaker 2: At the moment, it was the only gout engage, the
Speaker 2: only way to gain The only way I'd engage with
Speaker 2: the hospital would be if I was sick and fronted
Speaker 2: up there and then it'll ask me my email. Why
Speaker 2: would they're going to be emailing me something, are they?
Speaker 12: Well? Just in case I want it on record for
Speaker 12: later on. Maybe it is a scam with you one,
Speaker 12: but I know our da. You're definitely sending out emails
Speaker 12: at the moment, checking to see if stuff got the
Speaker 12: write email addresses for people, so I don't.
Speaker 2: Think it's going to happen. Yeah, okay, that's kind of
Speaker 2: you coming through Glendre. I appreciate that. So not a
Speaker 2: scam maybe, But I still don't want to get because
Speaker 2: you don't want the hospital emailing you. They just get,
Speaker 2: they'd be just be, they'd freak out. They'll be bad news,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it. It's the last thing I want. I just
Speaker 2: want to stay well clear anything else people. That's that
Speaker 2: one sorted out, Marcus. I treat everything as a scam
Speaker 2: these days, lol. I always talk, not really talk to
Speaker 2: my partner or Dan. Seems to be the way it
Speaker 2: works for me. Is this a scam, it's not a scam.
Speaker 2: I've had the same I got that email, Marcus. I'm
Speaker 2: not a huge fan of craw machines. I call them
Speaker 2: pokey machines for kids, they certainly are the gateway. I
Speaker 2: was so hooked on those coin coin shove what they
Speaker 2: called coin does coin pushes. Love those as a child
Speaker 2: obsessed with them, would bite for miles to play one.
Speaker 2: It's gambling, no doubt about it. Marcus had to scam
Speaker 2: the dab won't be saying that to everyone. Only people
Speaker 2: waiting for appointment'll get an email confirmation. Well else you said,
Speaker 2: it's true. There has to be rules and regulations in
Speaker 2: place for society to function properly. The pointers that rules
Speaker 2: will always be broken. We have to teach our kids
Speaker 2: to make good choices and courage them to want a
Speaker 2: productive life. I know people whose sons have never had
Speaker 2: a job and stand in their rooms on their phones.
Speaker 2: Mine have worked since I left school. None of us
Speaker 2: had a TikTok, but we do use YouTube. Around nineteen
Speaker 2: to eight, well into the airport, there was a game
Speaker 2: that gave you an electric shock. You put in a
Speaker 2: coin and held the handles, then tune up the parent
Speaker 2: till you couldn't take it anymore. Come on, more of you,
Speaker 2: let's be hearing from it. Come on, did you reply
Speaker 2: as me dan.
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Dan's replied, okay, so if you sent me an email,
Speaker 2: dan Oh to my phone, Gee, a thousand different things happening.
Speaker 2: I just want your calls, guys, give me a cavlcat
Speaker 2: of calls before the end. We need it now more
Speaker 2: than ever. Come on, what have you got? You might
Speaker 2: have something really exciting to tell me?
Speaker 15: Who so?
Speaker 2: Did you email them? Oh yeah, Flip too complicated. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get rid of my phone soon. I would get
Speaker 2: a pope tomorrow. What time to expect smoke signals? There
Speaker 2: isn't an exact time. Here we go, We're on, We're
Speaker 2: all on. Give me everyone, you get the other one.
Speaker 2: We haven't got time to expect smoke. There isn't an
Speaker 2: exact timing for the smoke signals that occurs during a conclave.
Speaker 2: Experts use past cloon caves may get you get a
Speaker 2: guesses on the conclave's first dates, like the Cannibals, will
Speaker 2: only conduct one round of voting. As the majority of
Speaker 2: the day we spent taking care of the introductory business,
Speaker 2: including a special sermon led by one of the church's
Speaker 2: top officials. One or black smoke. Could we expect around
Speaker 2: seven or eight local time? We'll be here for it, Giselle,
Speaker 2: it's Marcus. Good evening, Good.
Speaker 18: Evening, Marcus. That's that fishing email. You can tell who
Speaker 18: it's from by the email address that it came from.
Speaker 2: Oh you might.
Speaker 18: What email address?
Speaker 2: Did it come from whereould I click.
Speaker 18: On if it came to you, then at the top
Speaker 18: it will say from I've it's got you know j
Speaker 18: GB ALEX you know at something else or rather than
Speaker 18: you think, oh, this is.
Speaker 13: Just a fish.
Speaker 2: Well I looked at that.
Speaker 18: Who is it from?
Speaker 2: So I clicked on that and it just comes up.
Speaker 2: I can't see where where the email is.
Speaker 18: You can't see their email address?
Speaker 2: No, because it's on my cell phone right.
Speaker 18: Oh oh it's a text. Sorry, it's not an email.
Speaker 2: It is an email, but it's on my You know
Speaker 2: how when you get your cell phone emails, as it
Speaker 2: goes as much information.
Speaker 18: Yeah, what about if you click on reply then it'll
Speaker 18: come up with an address.
Speaker 2: Ah, if you push reply, it says from Health New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Why TAHA can to repatient verification email dot verification at TYPOAMU,
Speaker 2: dot health INZ, dot gov dot in Z. That looks
Speaker 2: a jit, doesn't it.
Speaker 18: It's looking good. Unfortunately, it's looking good.
Speaker 2: It is correct to Yeah, okay, I can see how
Speaker 2: people get confused about that. Sheefers creepers. I don't know
Speaker 2: why the cost wants to contact me too. That's not
Speaker 2: something that I've got any desire for I got that
Speaker 2: email to it checked by a person works with schemes.
Speaker 4: Is it was?
Speaker 2: Okay? There we go. Come on, more calls, more of this,
Speaker 2: less of this, more of this, less of that, anything
Speaker 2: that social media. Let's get rid of it. Let's get
Speaker 2: rid of everything. Claw machines. You might have a good
Speaker 2: story about those, A drunken story about a claw machines. Now,
Speaker 2: what's this about? Pyramid? I don't understand that text anyway,
Speaker 2: Do get in touching on a talk? Anything goes before
Speaker 2: the end, including stories about claw machines. I hate those
Speaker 2: new game parlors that you go into and you just
Speaker 2: win tickets. All the games are all sizzled, but there's
Speaker 2: no joy to them. You want just claw machines, coin
Speaker 2: pushes and those round ones that knock watches off. But
Speaker 2: once you become a parent, boy, oh boy, kids always
Speaker 2: want money for those, don't they. Nope, nope. For while,
Speaker 2: you get sick of saying, no, can I have a
Speaker 2: step counter?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: Can I mind you?
Speaker 16: The kid?
Speaker 2: The other kid's never asked for self, and he just
Speaker 2: knows he's not getting one. What a remarkable child he is?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay, yeah, HIZL. Sorry, I cut you off
Speaker 2: before we had some more stuff to say.
Speaker 18: Oh, that's right, I just had double juice tonight. So
Speaker 18: that yeah, the pay equity claim. So I've just left
Speaker 18: an industry in support work, family support work because I
Speaker 18: finished what I was studying. So I've now registered as
Speaker 18: a health professional. But so my industry, which was as
Speaker 18: support workers, like mental health support workers, has had a
Speaker 18: pay equity claim in the works for three years, and
Speaker 18: so all of the legal paperwork that was done for
Speaker 18: that has now been quashed. If this bill goes through,
Speaker 18: then what support workers have been waiting for three years
Speaker 18: for is now counseled. It's null and void. And yeah,
Speaker 18: I just feel really disappointed about.
Speaker 2: And Gselle just looking quickly at social media. It's all
Speaker 2: done under urgency, which there's no reason to do it
Speaker 2: under urgency. That's your understanding as well.
Speaker 18: Yeah, well, it just means that claims that have been
Speaker 18: ongoing for several years that were coming to completion have
Speaker 18: have now been told. You know, your claim is not
Speaker 18: going to go through. All the claims that you know
Speaker 18: that are in process of being canceled, you have to
Speaker 18: start again.
Speaker 13: And so.
Speaker 18: You know, so much money has been spent on legal
Speaker 18: costs by certain unions and organizations banning together to go
Speaker 18: for pay equis claims.
Speaker 2: And I can also see that people are mobilizing like
Speaker 2: there's no good out for tomorrow. They've unleashed some sort
Speaker 2: of monster by bringing this through. People are furious.
Speaker 18: I'm absolutely furious because you think of Okay, here's an
Speaker 18: example of victim support workers. So as soon as the
Speaker 18: police find somebody who's died, like via homicide or suicide,
Speaker 18: they go to a victim support workers there acute support
Speaker 18: for the first few weeks after something like that, before
Speaker 18: they go through into NGOs for counseling support. So if
Speaker 18: your loved one dies by suicide, you see a victim
Speaker 18: support worker as the first person to hold you post
Speaker 18: that event, and they get paid twenty nine dollars ten
Speaker 18: an hour.
Speaker 2: Okay, And you know, Giselle, can I just come right
Speaker 2: back because and I'm probably guilty of this. When we
Speaker 2: hear about pay equity, most of us probably don't understand
Speaker 2: what it even talks about. But it's professions. We're sixty
Speaker 2: to seventy percent of the profession are women. That's correct,
Speaker 2: isn't it?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 18: And so it's like, well, that's women's work, so it's
Speaker 18: natural that you'd be doing that. There's no skill involved,
Speaker 18: which we could say the same about builders, and if
Speaker 18: we want to go that way, like oh, plumbing, No,
Speaker 18: that dirty work, that's men's work. There's no skill involved.
Speaker 18: And the amount of training that support workers have to
Speaker 18: earn twenty nine dollars ten an hour is equal to
Speaker 18: what a plumber earned, I mean as trained in.
Speaker 2: I think the most extraordinary thing is that lux And
Speaker 2: has come out and that said could save billions for
Speaker 2: the government. I mean, when has something that's supposed to
Speaker 2: address fairness and to wipe that saying it's going to
Speaker 2: save billions? Where is that a smart thing to say?
Speaker 18: Is a quality ever about money?
Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 18: It's and it's it's intense people, and I'm going to
Speaker 18: I'm going to protest and I haven't protested. You know,
Speaker 18: I'm fifty two and I'm no longer even in that industry.
Speaker 2: I'm just well, I see this. They're protesting outside Van
Speaker 2: Velden's office tomorrow and Saint John's. There's all sorts of
Speaker 2: things that plan for tomorrow from a quick look at.
Speaker 2: So are you in Auckland, Yeah, I'm in Auckland.
Speaker 18: I just think it's so sexist that that women's what's
Speaker 18: considered women's work. It's it isn't It isn't considered equal
Speaker 18: to men's work because it's in caregiving. So what if
Speaker 18: it's in caregiving, plumbing, building, that's men's work. What Oh,
Speaker 18: I've seen blokes left bricks. It's easy work. Why do
Speaker 18: they need to get paid sixty backs an hour?
Speaker 2: Although or I shouldn't do it all though, I would
Speaker 2: presume that most of the a lot of the jobs
Speaker 2: are working for government organizations, are they or for there's
Speaker 2: civil servid jobs, and they'd be right.
Speaker 18: Yeah, the NNGO is working in rest homes, working in
Speaker 18: for NGOs, so not for profit, so social support as
Speaker 18: opposed to industries that create money, it's industries that cost money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you know, yeah, you mean, have you been
Speaker 2: contacted for a protestomer have you found that there is one?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 18: I haven't looked for sexual assault crisis counsel now, so
Speaker 18: I've been out on work, so I've moved understand, you know,
Speaker 18: I've moved beyond. But now I'll find out and go
Speaker 18: to it. It's important, like something's really fighting for and
Speaker 18: I just think that these people at twenty nine dollars
Speaker 18: is just a dreadful wage for that, for the amount
Speaker 18: of risks that you hold for other loved ones post
Speaker 18: traumatic events. I just think it's shocking.
Speaker 2: Marcus Seemer's report of said brookers saved the budget by
Speaker 2: canceling pay Equity Act. That's from Mary. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2: When you say that, Marcus. We can use an app
Speaker 2: called Google Family Link. We use an app called We
Speaker 2: See What Become deeply promise it can't be happening soon
Speaker 2: this month, isn't it? Goodness graces? We use an app
Speaker 2: called Google Family Lip. You can track your kids one
Speaker 2: of the apps they use. Limit the time spent on app,
Speaker 2: set time limits on apps, turn on off the devices. Parents,
Speaker 2: gigivers need to set the rules. Until my kids can
Speaker 2: afford to pay their own devices. I'm in charge. Is
Speaker 2: that all becomes negotiation? Doesn't it? Just ban them? Every
Speaker 2: parent's going to be delighted. Ban social media. They have
Speaker 2: it when they're sixteen. They make more sense. Tho I
Speaker 2: spent the last four years watching silly videos. Get back
Speaker 2: to watching TV or reading. We'll having new pope tomorrow
Speaker 2: with a bit of luck. I refuse to get obsessed
Speaker 2: about the pope because there are a lot of pope
Speaker 2: raggers about the information. But why is the different paper
Speaker 2: different colors? Dan not different chemicals? But originally think it'd
Speaker 2: be just from the paper, wouldn't you. They've always had chemicals.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched that conclave. I haven't watched the movie.
Speaker 2: Don't get to the movie as much because I work
Speaker 2: at nights. You feel lazy going in the daytime. And
Speaker 2: if ever the kids want to go to the movies,
Speaker 2: they're dread things like Minecraft or that dog animated one
Speaker 2: that was looked terrible. And I think probably the kids
Speaker 2: at the stage where they probably go to the movies
Speaker 2: with their mates. Yeah, hi, Marcus, I am a key
Speaker 2: with living in Aussie. I got one of those emails too,
Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Pam. No, I won't watch the
Speaker 2: Mission impossible. The only thing that will get me back
Speaker 2: to the movies would be Wicked, the second half that
Speaker 2: comes out in November next year. I will be there
Speaker 2: opening day and that's what I can't wait to see.
Speaker 2: That's what's got me going back to the movies. Because
Speaker 2: no one mourns the Wicked. No one mourns the Wicked
Speaker 2: in fact, I was even looking us even I even
Speaker 2: went through the whole met Gala photos to seem my mates.
Speaker 2: I can't even remember their names now, the slight one
Speaker 2: and the other one that's sung in the movie Tremendous.
Speaker 2: Could don't know why they weren't there. Got no idea
Speaker 2: why they weren't there. Yef Goldland was there, but I
Speaker 2: think you would have asked them both, wouldn't you, both
Speaker 2: Arianna and Cynthia. But no no sign of them anyway.
Speaker 6: Terry, Hello, Yeah, I'm just before I talk about the movie.
Speaker 6: This social media thing, how are you going to get
Speaker 6: parents to parents exactly the same way for their under
Speaker 6: sixteens or under eighteens. I guess, you know, not every
Speaker 6: parent's going to sort of agree with that, but anyway.
Speaker 2: It's a good point, but I think it would be Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you'd have to have some steps and balances
Speaker 2: to get a Facebook membership and that you know, and
Speaker 2: you would have to go and pretend you're in another
Speaker 2: country or go through some deception to sign on with
Speaker 2: an element of illegality. So I guess if your parents
Speaker 2: agree with that, then that's them. I suppose there will
Speaker 2: always be those parents that want to beat the system
Speaker 2: went there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I don't. I wouldn't envy being a parent
Speaker 6: in this day and age.
Speaker 2: No, actually, yeah, well yeah, I'm trying to think. I
Speaker 2: imagine the hard thing is encouraging what career to go for,
Speaker 2: what careers are going to be around in twenty years time.
Speaker 2: I think it's the real challenge.
Speaker 6: But anyway, yeah, yeah, I just I just quickly rang
Speaker 6: about movies. I haven't been to the movie theater since
Speaker 6: before COVID, and I just the only one I want
Speaker 6: I should have seen when it came out and gone
Speaker 6: to was Top Gun Maverick because a lady I worked
Speaker 6: with saw and said it was a movie that she
Speaker 6: would go and see again straight away.
Speaker 2: Well, I had seen that. I had seen that. It
Speaker 2: was I don't love Tom Cruise. That's the trouble with
Speaker 2: the Top Gun for me. I don't want them.
Speaker 17: There's nothing wrong with the so neither just scary. She
Speaker 17: doesn't he's too short to play Jack Rachel exactly better.
Speaker 2: And he took that woman for a spin, that lovely
Speaker 2: Katie Harder. Know there's something here. Look, I'm allergic to
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise. That would be my trouble.
Speaker 13: Oh, that's no good.
Speaker 6: He's one of the great. He's one of the great
Speaker 6: actors of his generation.
Speaker 2: And no, I don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 6: Didn't you see Collateral with him and Jamie.
Speaker 2: Brilliant that I did like that. I did see that
Speaker 2: because filmed on a filmed on video, one of the
Speaker 2: first movies at film and video. I really like Collateral, right, Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: that's a good point. Terry. You've caught me out there.
Speaker 2: I remember. Yeah, you're right, he cann act. Well. Thank you.
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