WEBVTT - "Owning The Narrative" 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.320 Live from the Export Beer Guden's studio and brought to 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:04.560 you by Export Ultra the bear for Here. This is 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:08.000 the Agenda Podcast for Tuesday, the twenty third of July. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.600 The Agenda Podcast, the home of Sporting Nonsense and clap Trap, 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:14.960 brought to you by Next bort A Vulture. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.680 Good morning, mat Heith, Good morning when I Stuart, how 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:19.759 are you? Yeah? Good? Thank you mate. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.480 You're just sending a text and you brought up a 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:24.439 conversation that's quite near and dear to my heart at 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:24.840 the moment. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.360 Yeah, I still pepper my text missus with text messages 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.600 with emojis, even though I feel nef doing it. But 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.440 I tend to be quite curt in my communications, so 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:40.440 I need the tech emojis to make it a weird 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.479 to the person. I'm not being an asshole, Yeah, so 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:42.839 do I. 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.920 So what I'll generally do is send a thumbs up 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.080 at the end to be like cool, we're both in agreeance. 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.000 This is the end of the conversation here. Yeah, but 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:54.840 that's now considered sarcastic. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:59.040 It's been brought to my attention by Ella that it's 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.480 now considered egg and that's not how I meant it. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.440 At all, yeah, what I'm sending thumbs ups out to people? Yeah, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.240 I mean, come on, because the other because the other 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.360 thing that's happening at the moment is people have a 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.679 certain age bracket will send a dot dot dot, and there. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.600 Glane sends a terrible dot dot dot. Glane is always 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.440 dot dott he me, and I feel like he's pass 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.480 egg in the fuck it? Yeah. Yeah, So it's like, 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.720 are you coming dot dot dot? Yeah, You're like, what 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.000 are the repercussions if I don't come? I know where 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.320 am I? I am? I supposed to be here and 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.520 I've I've missed something up? What's going on though? Dot 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:32.880 dot dots? I don't know what? What are the dot 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:33.959 dot dots mean? I don't know. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.679 It stresses me to bits when you get a texture 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.760 of because it is sweet man, have a good weekend, 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:39.520 dot dot dot, And. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:44.240 I'm like, what, I'm an alcoholic. Yeah, what do you say? Now? 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.280 I'm my head for the next two hours, Like, have 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:47.840 a good weeknd dot dot dot. He's saying I'm not 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.320 working at enough? What are you saying? 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:49.520 So? 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.200 Then what I I because that means something else is 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.640 coming dot dot dot. Right, That's what I understood. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.600 It as yeah, but I stumbled across a video on 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.440 Instagram reels because I'm too old for TikTok, and it 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.800 was explaining the difference there as apparently. You know, when 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.640 people first started texting, it was expensive to see multiple texts, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.640 so to separate ideas, they would put dot dot dot 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:12.799 so they would be like, I'm talking about this thing 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:14.680 dot dot dot. Now I'm talking about a different thing 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.040 dot dot dot. So they could send multiple pieces of 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.880 information in one text. Now that it's so cheap to text, 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:21.440 you can just literally put them in. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.400 Separate texts to the ideas and some RelA is just 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.320 fooling us all through anxiety, the whole accs on tindercs 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:28.720 because we don't know we've done to pass off g 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:30.880 lane because it was dot dot dots yeah. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.679 When he would just be like, hey, great work this week, 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.880 dot dot dot, have a great weekend, dot dot dot. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:37.480 Did I fuck something up at work that I don't 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.320 know about? Are you still doing the commentary tonight, dot 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:39.720 dot dot. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.000 Are you're saying that I'm going to get I'm going 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.800 to go out to getting drunk or you know previously 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:46.120 I haven't turned up on time, or what do you 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.680 say yeah, or like multiple question marks at the end 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.239 of a question. That one gets me as well, like, 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:52.919 oh my god, what have I done? I used to 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:54.720 put a lot of exclamation marks and there. I don't 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:59.600 know why, but I'll be like, hell you again, exclamation mark? 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.360 Why am I doing that again? To try and ease 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.840 the like soften the blow of yeah, say that we're 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.760 having a bit of a fun yeah, yeah, yeah, Because 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.600 I mean there's a lot of nuance in someone's face 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:12.960 and tone of their voice when you're talking to you 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.240 talking to them that that's like, you know, when one 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.359 of our podcasts or something goes before some kind of 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.640 broadcasting standards authority, or like when something on your radio 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.480 show and then you see it written down in the 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.520 paper when the you know, when the complaint has been 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.760 adjudicated on it just sounds so terrible now because they 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.679 can't hear the cheeky, chicking timber in their voices. Yeah, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.400 And they're like, so did you did you not say so? Yeah? 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.800 On paper? That looks bad. I didn't say it like that, 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.520 you know, Yeah, there was always good a smile. Did 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.000 you say I'm definitely going to kill that guy? No, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.320 two ways about it? Yeah, but it was worth it. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.960 But there was a little bit of yeah Tati sauce 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.160 on it. There's a little bit of mail in there 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.120 that you sort of you're taking away from me. Oh 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.960 get it. Get involved on the old voicemail there and 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.200 let us know what what emoji is? A past egg? 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.400 What aren't? Yeah, what's coach to use anymore? And I've 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.120 got to say, that's why the talkback function on the 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.680 Oh Heart radio app is so good and you guys 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.400 use it so effectively. Well, I'm gonna say, askers been 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.479 on the gene of three years on and off, we 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.040 use so well, it's because you get the full meaning 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.600 from the voice. Yeah, there's no like pass egg emojis. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.200 So they go fuck South Canterbury. You know that they 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.280 mean it in a cheeky way. I take it as 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.120 a term of endement. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.159 But again, like you say, when you see it written 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.719 down on social media, now you've run from my hometown. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.560 Set him out, like, hey, why is everyone saying fox 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:41.240 South Canerbury? Now, yeah, you're a Trader's then the more 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.000 you protest, the more fuck South you get. But anyway, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:48.440 your fire those fire those voicemails through. I had a situation. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.919 You said that I'd like to run past your problem 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:51.880 shared as a problem halved. 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.240 Yeah, and I'd like owning the narrative is important. I 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.360 think it like if whenever I do something humiliating, I 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.760 want to talk about it because it's like you're giving 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.360 it a way. You know, you're shining light on it. Yeah, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:03.760 you're shining light on it. Yeah. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.240 And so I'd like to shine a light on something 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.160 that happened to me yesterday. Blessed to have the opportunity 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.359 to go out to Mount Smart Stadium and interview a 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:16.400 few of the Warriors. Marcelo Montour, Luke, Metcalfe, Jazz Tavunger 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.480 sat down with these guys and as soon as Jess 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.280 Deevunger sat down and I said, mate, how's the rehab going? 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.839 And he goes, I'm not in rehab. Oh. I was like, oh, yeah, 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:28.320 he's been. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.279 He was out for like three weeks about three months ago, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:32.400 and he's played ever since. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.240 And he was just like the Die. I was out 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.159 there with Die as well. I just got done. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:41.080 Any research for this, and I was just absolutely humiliated 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.640 to kick me up all night. The first first question 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.320 I asked something Salvo open opening question that I asked 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.320 and the most the weirdest part about is that I've 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.280 commentated all of the games that he played. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.800 I know he played them. Yeah, And I don't know 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.880 why I asked him that you probably know more about 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.240 what's going on in sport in New Zealand there nearly anyone. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.520 I mean, every day you're doing this podcast, every day 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.479 you're re searching it. You know, you commentate the games. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.680 I've watched every game he's playing, you know it all. 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.760 I know where he's from, I know who he's played for. Well, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.159 you can't Beatpedal with that. You go, hey, I know 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:14.719 every I do actually know everything. 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:15.040 I know? 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.400 Yeah, And so what what I'm chalking it up to 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.880 is he was a late swap, so we were supposed 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.839 to interview someone else, so without warning, we interviewed maslom 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.560 on t work first. And I hate jest of angers 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.479 in because Ali Latawa was supposed to do it but 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.760 he can't. And I freaked out because I've done all 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.080 this prep and I think if I'm guilty of anything, 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:35.760 was over prepping. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.680 I looked down at my piece of paper. My first 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.440 question was, first question, is just a nerve settler for 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.800 the interviewer. Yeah, you find once it gets going, but 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.880 you just don't want to fuck up on the first question. Ironically, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.400 it's your prep that is that's that is actually really 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:50.800 fruct you. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.839 I didn't need to write anything down. I know everything 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.680 about these players. I don't know why I got so 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:59.440 flustered about it. And it couldn't happened to you know 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.200 a bit of Bloken that he is quite an interimidating 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:08.000 man to meet. Just yeah, he's got quite a scary 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:08.960 aura about him. 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.520 Yeah, and that was the first question I opened with, 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.000 and I was like, wow, well, coincidentally humiliated myself. Today. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.800 I was talking on the radio show yesterday about how 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.760 there's a problem with rugby union in New Zealand. I 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.480 was watching the rugby with acc commentator Lee Baker at 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.040 the morning side tavern, and we were just talking about 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.120 Edmund and changing the rules and how we can make 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.360 it better and talking about the problems with the administration 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.000 of the game. And I was saying to him at 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.040 the time, there's a real problem with rugby union that 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.040 everyone's always talking about how they can improve the game 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.160 rather than just being involved in the game. You know 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.000 what I mean, It's not really what you do when 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.600 you're watching league, you're not really trying to improve improve 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.320 the game. You might be talking about improvement of the 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.880 team you're supporting, but not the whole administration from the 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.480 top down right through the rule changes that might make 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.000 it better. Anyway, after quite a few bottles of red, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.720 I came with the idea that that rugby would be 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.640 a better without flankers without just get rid of the flankers, 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.800 because what are they doing, if you thinkers, Because if anything, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.559 what is their job? I mean, they're great at putting 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.440 people on the back, but in a way they're stopping play. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.720 You know, they're coming off and stopping play. That's kind 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:22.680 of their job. I'm talking about, you know, six and 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:27.320 seven here, And I got a text through from Karenry 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.120 because of then I raised it on Monday and he said, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.839 that's the shittest idea I've everheard, And and that was 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.839 quite a confronting text. Should have Stoy ever heard? And 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.599 I said, And then so he producers got him on 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:38.959 to talk about it today and the show and he 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.000 came in hot and I had him with what do 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:42.800 you know? You know, what would you know try to 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:47.319 defend myself. So then I said, okay, well, what too, 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:48.600 would you want to get rid of it? He goes, well, 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.400 we trying to get rid of anything but anything. We'll 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.360 get rid of some of the show ponies, you know 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.320 out why And I said, okay, well you need the 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.880 wings right, because the excitement machine. So I said, what 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.679 wich one of the centers would you get rid of then? 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.880 And he goes, well, that's fucking stupid, because if you 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.160 got rid of the first, if you got rid of 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.120 twelve or thirteen, then they'd become whichever one you got 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.360 rid of. There only be one. Yeah, so it wouldn't 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.559 matter which one you got rid of. You've amalgamated that. Yeah. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.280 Someone coming with this hot take and then immediately humiligating 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.360 myself with well, which one of the centers you want 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.160 to get rid of? And he's like, well, it doesn't 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.920 make a difference with that, make which one you got 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.280 rid of, because then they would become the only center. 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.760 Yeah, your muppet shot insider outside, they just become thus center. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.040 So I'm on the back foot with a half thought out, 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.400 drinken idea of getting rid of flankers you've got an 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.240 all black camp and saying that's a stupid idea and 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.360 coming up with some really good reasons why that's the 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.000 case that they are a stupid idea, and then then 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.280 I follow up with an even stupid suggestion. You know, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:45.640 I well, I think. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.400 If anything, you were halfway to a great idea there. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:50.480 I agree with you. I think we should have been 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.760 the flankers. Yeah, I think you get number eight can 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:59.280 do all that. But more gaps, yeah, more so, many 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.400 gaps that's the guar, that's the key. More gaps up 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.400 the guts. I think that we would all agree that 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.520 scrummery sets are boring. I don't think you should push 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.920 in the scrums and rucks are too confusing. We should 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.040 when you get tackled, you stand up, you play the ball. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.480 This is the problem that you start getting rid of 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.800 line out and could just make the scrums of the 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.360 ball just comes out and it's just it's just like 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.559 holding up the forwards for a little bit. Why is 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.000 it five points for before you know? 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:25.959 And a drop goal should only be one unless you 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:27.719 kick it from forty meters out then it should be too. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.600 I agree. I definitely think that things I think we've 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:32.679 got to get rid of as marks. I think marks 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.880 are so stupid. Why would you want to stop the 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.880 game and make it easier if you've got a great 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.760 positional kick and that puts the fullback, say in a 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.600 difficult position. Yeah, bloody great, that's exciting. 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:43.960 Yeah. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.360 Also has to step round is to find something exciting 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:48.600 to do the fact that they can just stop the 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.120 game and then have a free kick. Why do we 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:50.600 have a mark? 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.360 Because in rugby league you kick for the corners so 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.679 that you can contest it in the air and potentially 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.400 score a tray. You don't do it in rugby union 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.240 because if your opponent catches it, it's a mark and 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.800 the plays over. Yeah, so it would bring in chipkekes 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:03.840 for tries a bit more as well. Why is the 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.959 twenty two metal line at the twenty two metal line? 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:07.880 Why isn't it twenty Well? 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.920 Yeah, and another one is okay, this is another controversial opinion. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.000 I've got get rid of the advantage rule. You're just 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.800 playing zombie rugby the whole time. There's an advantage and 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.960 people playing it doesn't mean anything. Whatever the defense do 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.880 it they and whatever amazing thing the defender does. I 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:27.680 think maybe three. You know, they're talking NFL of a 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:33.200 football play which just means something like football, and then 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:39.520 that negates the situation that we're talking about a football play. Well, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.360 so it's like a couple of steps or right, it's 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.240 just such as some play. So I'm saying three football 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.240 plays and then the advantage is over, so that it 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:48.959 could be a pass, it could be a kick, could 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.520 be a tackle. Three football players and the advantage is over. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:57.319 Otherwise we're just playing so much football that doesn't count 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.440 for anything because the attack can just do whatever they 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.760 want because basically it goes forever until they lose the 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.160 ball or they score. Right, that's what advantage does now, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.080 And I know in the rules it says that you 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:13.480 have to have an advantage that overcomes the advantage of 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.920 the penalty, right, which is so vague and no reference 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.720 to call that. So they just let it go until 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.400 there's a knock on or there's a cock up and 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.439 they go back, and that can go for phase after 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.920 phase after face. So I say, get rid of the advantage. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:26.840 The other thing is it should be illegal. God, now 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.839 we start now, don't get me started over it. It 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.360 should never be a situation. This pisses me off so much. 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.280 Where a team knocks on knocks a ball on right, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.400 and then there's a scrum, and then we all know 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.560 that scrums are just basically the art of trying to 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.920 make it look like the other guy has has committed 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.000 a penalty, and so someone knocks it on and the 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.000 next thing, you know, the opposition that gets three points 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.440 and they were the ones that didn't knock it on 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.720 because of some penalty that no one knows that. You 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.439 know that the someone's just pushed and they're not pushed, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.080 just pushed and then pulled on. Someone's sure felt like 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.679 he was pushing and then went down, then up and 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.319 marked it around. You should never be able to get 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.600 three points, which is so much in a game, yea, 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:13.400 more than when it was you that bloody it was 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.400 your team that knocked the ball on. I know this. 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.520 This goes back to one of the half back sports 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.240 ideas I've had, which was the Uno reverse card, which 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.520 which is once a game, when a card is handed 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.719 out to your team, your captain's allowed to play a 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.080 reverse card and it's actually handed back to the other team. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.080 So when he players gets red carded, you go no 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.680 Una reverse or controversially, the pack up five, which is 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.480 you've now got six dudes in the bed. I don't know, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.000 but the problem was as you could intentionally red card 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.680 one of your players knowing you've got the UNO reverse card. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.720 So not only have you knocked someone out, and you're 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.240 also double jeopardy in them and kicking someone else off 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.520 their team. And the only retort to that rule was, Yeah, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.679 that exact situation where you could be the one infringing 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.640 and then get penalized speaks exactly Tepe Scrumbs speaking. 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:01.280 Of you know, four point it's for a try as 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.560 opposed to five points. I don't know have told you this, 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:07.560 but I was going to watching a lot of rugby 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.600 in a lot of league with these two American friends 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.880 of mine. I know them, Yeah, you know them. And 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.960 then like three months, four months into us watching games 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:19.240 every week together, the guy who's he actually was a 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.720 running back. He played a running back, went to college 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.240 playing as a running back, so he's deep in the 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.600 world of NFL. But he goes, Okay, I've got to ask, 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.760 how come sometimes try as a four points and sometimes 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.960 they're five points? And you realize at that point he 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.520 didn't know that there was a difference between league, even 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.280 though it's to us it's so clear because we brought 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.720 up with that. But he couldn't he couldn't tell the 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.560 difference uff for three months of watching the game. So 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.720 he'd just been watching rugby in his mind. Yeah, just 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.040 the entire time rugby, because you think rugby league wring 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.280 a union, you know, you probably think, oh, sometimes I 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.280 say do you want to watch the league and sometimes 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.960 you want to watch the rugby. That's probably the way 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.720 I describe it. And yeah, so it's amazing they're very 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.680 close if you're I mean in that what's the really 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.520 interesting thing with the NRL NRL trying to make it 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.160 break into America with the games of Las Vegas. Then 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.080 you've also got the All Blacks playing Fiji and San Diego. 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.800 It's like, but they can't. They don't even know, they've 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.080 got no idea, They've got no idea. And just quickly 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.880 on those two people as well. They're in an NFL 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.400 fantasy league. Yeah, yeah, they were down in CHRISTI I 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.840 was down visiting my mum. We're wandering around the shops 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.320 and I saw through the window I saw these two people. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.520 I was just like, oh shit, that from my fantasy league. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:28.960 And I went to go and say good out to them. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.320 All my mum, whod was? Those two people are from 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.680 my fantasy? And then I walked out of the thing, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.840 and so I'm having a yarn to them and Mum's 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.240 standing off to the side like what the fuck is 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:40.040 going on here? 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.160 And then we get in the cash he goes, what 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.520 just happened? Yeah, rather from my fantasy league's I thought 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.240 you said that from your fantasy and then went and 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:47.680 hit them. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.560 Up another hour I spent punishing Lee Baker thirty five 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.120 minutes because he doesn't drink as much as me. Was 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.480 on how rugby union does not equate into fantasy and 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.280 that's a real problem for it going forward. Well, I 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.920 chewed Shannon Fizzel's ear off about this the other day. Actually, 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.880 that was probably this is a side conversation from me. Yeah, 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.400 from we're probably having that conversation. This probably comes from you. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.680 He's thought about it, he's thought about it, and he's 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.320 got ideas of how it would work. It'd be like 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.120 rucks clean, first man to the rock, blah blah blah. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.800 But you're right, it doesn't. On the one hand, it's like, yes, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.840 it would be too confusing, it's too chaotic a game. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.440 On the other hand, I play fantasy rugby league, and 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.240 I don't understand how the points are just out of it. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:26.800 So, you know, it's. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.880 Hypocritical to be like, how would it work when I play? 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:31.760 When I have two fantasy leagues our, I don't know 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:32.360 how they work. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.520 Well, yeah, well, the thing with the NFL is it's 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.240 clear a running back runs a certain amount of distance, 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:43.160 you know, yeah, you know, a receiver catches a certain 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.000 amount of passes, scores the cinema touchdowns to runs with 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.160 and in a quarterback, and. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.880 Then the offensive line the defense is all one one. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.440 So maybe you could do that with rugby union. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:56.720 your Ford pack would be all one. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.800 But right then, the long short of all of that 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.520 is absolutely humiliated myself talking. 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.560 To Jess Vunger and how did you come back? I 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.240 made a few more jokes about it. Yeah. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.159 And then the very next person that we interviewed was 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.040 Luke Metcalf and he was sitting out in the thing 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.639 and he said I heard all of that, and I said, great, 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.080 so he's actually been injured and that's who the question 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.720 was for. So I said, well, my first question was 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.240 actually for you, But what I might do now is 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.440 just ask you how the game went on the weekend, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.760 and so he sat there. I was like, looke, Metcalfe, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.400 you played on the weekend three tries? How did that feel? 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.879 But he was just he went along with it. He 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.520 was like, mate, felt great to get the three tries, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.159 obviously disappointed that we didn't win, blah blah blah. So 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:36.600 we made a bit of a joke about it. But 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.240