1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: We've got the old land conversion to bake that's alive 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: and well in rural New Zealand. At the moment. We've 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: got a warning from AFCO as in the meat process 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: is that jobs will be lost, plants will be shut 5 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: due to declining livestock numbers. We're expected to be a 6 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: million lambs short this year. So why well, because land's 7 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: been converted of course to pine trees. Federated Farmers Meat 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: and Will Industry Group chaired Toby Williams is with us 9 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: on this Toby Morning to. 10 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: You of all. 11 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: The stuff that's been talked about in rural New Zealand 12 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: at the moment, this conversion to pine trees and stuff. 13 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: How big a deal is it? 14 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: Oh, it's a pretty big deal. We've been talking about 15 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: it for about four or five years now when we're 16 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: starting to see the consequences of what we've warned about 17 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: going unchecked a foresty tests we had under the previous 18 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: governments and the consequences that will have on rural New Zealand. 19 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: Here's your problem, though, from all the reading I did 20 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: and I did, there was a report out last week. 21 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: The money's not there for sheep, It's not there for wool. 22 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: It's not there for meat, it is there for trees. 23 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: So why wouldn't you convert to trees? 24 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: No, exactly right. If you're a landowner, you're going to 25 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: do the best for you, do the best for you 26 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: for your return, so there's no creditors as landowners. The 27 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: criticisms that we have around government setting that are favoring 28 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: short term carbon over long term prosterity part of New Zealands. Look, 29 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: we don't look far enough into the future. We just 30 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: pre bended on everything. 31 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: Here's the problem I wridden this report from last week, 32 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: and that is the community aspect of it. Once you 33 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: plant a pedddic full of trees, no one's coming to 34 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: town anymore, are they. 35 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: No, that's you know, your bike shop, you're bets all 36 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: those people who the service industry, who services are all 37 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: sector aren't required thirty years until you start harvesting. And 38 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: even then the job numbers are less because you're only 39 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: the handles for people actually in the area to harvest 40 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: those trees now with modern machinery. 41 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: So what's the answer. I mean, you talk about the government, 42 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: but do you see any light at the end of 43 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: the tunnel? For the price of wall of the price 44 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: of lamp. 45 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I think probably we're probably another eighteen 46 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: months away for plus from the price of lamp, while 47 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: slowly sort of getting there. But I mean the horse 48 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: want of bolts there already. We'll see the are really 49 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: great things over the weekend of companies of the air 50 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: sorters and that union lever using ball and air filters. Yep. 51 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: But it's all good, but it's not using the volumes 52 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: that we need, so we need it faster and I 53 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: know Minister Patterson as dead Keenland having it by five 54 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: dollars the end of the year, but we're not seeing 55 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: too much to progress that at the moment. 56 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: And as far as lamb's concerned, what's holding that down? 57 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: I mean the lamb we make at the top end 58 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: of the lamb tree, it's the best in the world 59 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: by a mile. 60 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And as there's a couple of things there. There's 61 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: slow down in China who aren't taking as much sheep 62 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: thinks as they were. But I've also got Australia. Australia's 63 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: producing record numbers of them. They always shaughtering record numbers 64 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: of lambs at the moment, so there's just too much 65 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: seat meat in the world. 66 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: But that's crack lamb though, isn't it. We all know that. 67 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 2: Well, it's different to what we have. Are very good, 68 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: but at the end of day, it's a competing protein. 69 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: If you can buy teaper proteins somewhere else, you do. 70 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: I guess. 71 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: So what about companies like Brimworth who are trying to 72 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: spook wool and then you've got the fine wall market. 73 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: Does any of that getting any traction? Is that working? 74 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? It is. I mean Brimworth for us are really 75 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: really incredible. They're showing some grand leadership. You're paying more 76 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: for their wall and that wanted to cut their wall 77 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: withy growers and said, here's a contract. You know, we'll 78 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: guarantee you a minimum price and and we want your business. 79 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: They're targeting that high in New York market. Everybody wants. 80 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: Everybody wants to crack flooring in their houses. But if 81 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: you know, sorry, it echoes and you need some beautiful 82 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: wall news there and Rugby on there, so brilliant. 83 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Exactly where to see. The counter problem that you're facing 84 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: is of course this business of it's it's it's super 85 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: cool to plant trees because we're saving the world. I mean, 86 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: how do you, how do you counter that. 87 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: Well, that's there. You know, you can save the world 88 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: from little Old New Zealand, or we can you know, 89 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: we can look at it to having mosaic of land 90 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: news prietaries are important. We should be integrating them into 91 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: the landscape as opposed to whole catcher and planting. And 92 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: we've seen the consequences of you know, when we've plant 93 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: all the white catchups are done on these toasts, and 94 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 2: we see the consequences of poor quality harvesting. And also 95 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: we're seeing the lack of forthort about having to use 96 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: that timber into the future. We've got mills closing all 97 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: over the place because you know, we're not producing anything 98 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: in the world needs anymore. 99 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: No, it makes sense to me. Toby go, well, appreciate 100 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: it very much. Good and so Toby Williams, Federator Farmers 101 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: Meeting will Industry Group Chair. He's good, doesn't he like him? 102 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: For more from The Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 103 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: News Talk SETB from six am weekdays, or follow the 104 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.