1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Farmers fuming this morning. They say carbon farms have been 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: harboring pests like stoats, possums, feral pegs, deer coming onto 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: their land and harming livestock with no accountability. There's a 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: new campaign out to as Save our Sheep. Andrew Hoggard 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: is the Associate Agriculture Minister with me this morning. Andrew, 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: good morning, coome On. All right, hey, what's happening with 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: the pests coming across. 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a growing problem over the last 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: three or four years and quite frankly, I think go 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: back to the COVID lockdown, it just seemed like there 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: was a explosion in pest numbers across firms and seen 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: more and more deer on my place than I ever 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: did before, and so a combination of people not going 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: out hunting just allowed lots of breeding. And I think 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: in terms of the you know those forestry blocks sing 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: I'm going to have a look into and we're redoing 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: the Biosecurity Act at the moment, and I know in 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: the old Act there was always a duty of a 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: landowner to maintain control pests within the boundary and make 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: sure they're not going across their boundary to other people's property. 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: So I'll take a double look at what we're proposing 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: there as to whether or not that needs to be 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: strengthened up. 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: So you would potentially put more onus on the carbon 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: farmers to look after the deer and the pests and 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: the stoats and everything on their land so that it 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: doesn't go and annoy everybody else. 28 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean definitely, I mean that's part of the 29 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: deal would be, you know, you look after You're responsible 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: for what happens on your property, and you should not 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: be exporting problems from across your property to your neighbors, 32 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: to your duty as a landowner to control your what's 33 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: happening in your property, make sure those problems don't go 34 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: across what's the. 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: Fin what happens at the moment if that's found to 36 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: have happened. 37 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Basically from memory, and I've only ever heard about this 38 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: in terms of weed pests. You know, the regional council 39 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: might come by and say, hey, you've got too many 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: soles or whatever on your property. You need to go 41 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: and manage them. I don't think, to be honest, that 42 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: it's something up until this point that's ever really been 43 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: a big, well connected or look or looked at even 44 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: or taken seriously. So you know, potentially this is something 45 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: we do need to look into a lot. 46 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: What could you do? I mean, obviously it would probably 47 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: be hard to will presumably be quite hard to prove. 48 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, yeah, that would be something would need 49 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: to have a look into. I mean, you can easily 50 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: do counts of animals and go, well, look, there's a 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: truckload of pigs here. You need to this has become 52 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: a problem, and you can see the damage that there's 53 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: been occurring on neighboring property and you know, make some 54 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: sort of slav them with a fine, fine or just 55 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: the direction that they need to take care of these 56 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: pests and invest in getting hunters into remove these pests. 57 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: Is the expansion of carbon farms. The reason that this 58 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: save our Sheep campaign is getting underway. 59 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: I think it's part of the reason. Another part is 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: that I believe concerned about what might be happening in 61 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: terms of me sane targets. But yeah, we haven't had 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: those discussions between parties yet as to what those targets 63 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: may well be. So I think they're probably putting a 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: stake in the ground. 65 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: When are those chats happening. 66 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: Not sure. I'm not the one that is required to 67 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: have The other ministers have to chat with me, not 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: the other way around. So I am waiting with bated breath. 69 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: You're waiting to be chatted at. Yeah, you appreciate your 70 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: time this morning. Take here Andrew Hoggart, who's the Associate 71 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Agriculture Minister. 72 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: For more from earlier edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live 73 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: to news Talks it be from five am weekdays, or 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.