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Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with Ginny Anderson.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to both of you.

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Speaker 2: Morning Jenny, Morning to both of you.

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Speaker 1: Ginny. Two questions actually for you. One, where were you

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Speaker 1: in Parliament.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday on the front row? Like I usually am?

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Speaker 1: Well you wouldn't you usual? See?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was?

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Speaker 1: They weren't Joe Luxon?

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Speaker 3: Was there?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Luckxeon and Reluxton?

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Speaker 3: No, you must have been look at the camera, Funny.

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Speaker 3: I was exactly where are usually?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Where was Joe Luxon.

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Speaker 3: There sitting behind me?

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Speaker 1: I think she were behind you? Yeah, okay, Well that's

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Speaker 1: why I was pleased as soon as I heard of it.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of speak before in my life. I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: there's a labor part of MP doing some work for once.

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Speaker 1: So when she asked the question, I thought, where's Ginny?

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Speaker 1: Because I thought that was the front So I'm pleased

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Speaker 1: about that second question, knowing you the way I know you, Ginny,

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Speaker 1: which is not that well at all. But but honestly,

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Speaker 1: hand on heart, given the opportunity, you would really want

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Speaker 1: to drive a landroper of those steps, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 3: But I wouldn't break the rules. I'm quite good like that. Usually,

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Speaker 3: but you want to.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you want to.

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Speaker 3: But if you got told not to, and particularly got

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Speaker 3: told you and you got filmed by TV one news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's embarrassing. I'll come to that part. But there's

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Speaker 1: the land rover and they go, Ginny, you want to

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Speaker 1: write it up the steps? You'd go for it, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know, Yes, yes I would.

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Speaker 3: Actually, then you're christianding me.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I do have one Christian for you. I just have

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Speaker 3: one thing I want to clear up because I listened

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Speaker 3: to your show, and I did listen to the Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister yesterday morning. Yes, and I'm pretty sure he said this,

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Speaker 3: but I just want to clarify he did say this.

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Speaker 3: Did he say quote, we've got a rolling thunder, constant

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Speaker 3: announcements to remove barnacles and yet the show on the road.

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Speaker 3: And if he did say that, can you please tell

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Speaker 3: me what does it mean?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything, and we had it to be

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Speaker 1: fair to you, Jenny. We had a conversation afterwards, going

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Speaker 1: what do you reckon? He meant by removing barnacles from

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Speaker 1: the ship and rolling each other.

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Speaker 2: And we did the rolling thunder stairs. Cool. I just

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Speaker 2: think that, well, does it?

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Speaker 3: Mark?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, it didn't. It didn't sound cool when he

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Speaker 1: said it to me because I burst out laughing. Who

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Speaker 1: workshops that stuff with the Mark? You are you the insider?

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Speaker 1: Is there a command in turn?

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's our leader and he's Look, I'm telling you now,

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Speaker 2: Mike that in terms of where we are as a

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Speaker 2: country and at the moment there's a lot of suffering

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Speaker 2: going on because of the economic situation. Yes, I'd rather

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Speaker 2: have a guy like him. That is to me I've had.

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Speaker 2: I've worked under lots of very, very good leaders all

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Speaker 2: around the world. This guy is a class act. He's

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Speaker 2: he knows what has to be done. He's got a

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Speaker 2: proven track record, he's actually been in the real world

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Speaker 2: in terms of delivery. It is tough. We knew that

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Speaker 2: it was going to be tough, and we know what

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Speaker 2: that We've got a lot of work to do. But

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, I'd rather have a guy like

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Speaker 2: Chris Lux with his background, his experience, his energy and

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Speaker 2: his focus to get things done.

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Speaker 1: I tend to agree, and making this as a political

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Speaker 1: as it possibly can, I tend to agree. And I

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of good will for him generally

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Speaker 1: but I think Ginny does make a point, and I

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Speaker 1: know she makes a point that's being talked about widely

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Speaker 1: around the country. When he comes out with his growth, growth, growth,

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Speaker 1: barnacles on hips and rolling thunder, there's something about that

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Speaker 1: that people go, oh, mate, you know, if you if

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Speaker 1: you haven't delivered yet, which he hasn't and he might,

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Speaker 1: let's hope he does, but he comes across as slightly

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Speaker 1: wonky and nerdy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I would, I would dispute they haven't delivered.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's been a lot done in the first

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Speaker 2: twelve months in terms of tax relief. We see inflation

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Speaker 2: now back to sustainable levels, we see interest rates coming

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Speaker 2: back down. That's not easy. That's not easy stuff to do.

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Speaker 2: It's actually really tough, and being inside government you got

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Speaker 2: to make tough decisions. He does that. The easy thing

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Speaker 2: to do would be what labour did. It Just keep

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Speaker 2: borrowing money and borrowing money and borrowing money and shoving

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Speaker 2: out the door, and we'd end up being a third

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Speaker 2: world country and a and a in the same place

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Speaker 2: as Venezuela. And we're not going to do it. We're

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Speaker 2: going to We're going to be We're going to be

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Speaker 2: we're going to be a world class, cut.

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Speaker 1: Better and if you can pull it off, you'll get

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Speaker 1: another term. And that's how democracy works. What we're going

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Speaker 1: to say, Genny.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that that that's that's fine. You can

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Speaker 3: you can say that's what he's trying to do. But

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Speaker 3: that's not people. It's not it's not what people feel.

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Speaker 3: So people aren't getting those benefits you talk about. People

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Speaker 3: are paying higher rates, higher insurance, their mortgages are still high,

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Speaker 3: their property prices and Wellington have dropped, and well, people

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Speaker 3: aren't feeling that. And I think the problem you've got

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Speaker 3: if he is this big CEO that has flowery CEO language,

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Speaker 3: then why didn't he sack someone like David Seymour who

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Speaker 3: has constantly disobeyed him, Because if he really was that

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Speaker 3: senior leadership.

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Speaker 1: Or but he missed that particular opportunity. Can I give

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Speaker 1: the chips to some advice through you? Can you stop

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Speaker 1: asking for everyone to be sacked. It's just behaving the

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Speaker 1: way David Simoa has is not a sackable offense. And

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister and the Coalition can't go round sacking

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Speaker 1: people Brighton Center.

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Speaker 3: So you think it's okay that he wrote to police

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Speaker 3: and said about Polkinghorn.

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Speaker 1: See I'm not an expert, Mark, you are, and that

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Speaker 1: you said you should go to the Police Complaints Authority run.

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Speaker 2: No, that the police wrote back to him and referred

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Speaker 2: him back to the i p c A or Polkinghorn's lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Look the reality of it as David was acting as

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Speaker 2: a local MP and locally in peace are conduits for

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Speaker 2: information and they have to advance issues for their constituents.

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Speaker 2: I have a I don't now because it's conflict of

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Speaker 2: interest because'm Minister of Police, but I have someone else

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Speaker 2: do it for me. But before that, I had a

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Speaker 2: quarterly meeting with my police Heerer Commander. I had a

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Speaker 2: list of the issues that my constituents and community brought

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Speaker 2: forward and I'll discussed those with them. However, there is

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Speaker 2: a line and you should try to be very aware

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Speaker 2: and it's a good remind of for all EMPs not

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Speaker 2: to induce yourself into Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Mark because so so at that particular point, he's the

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Speaker 1: local MP that some guy comes to him who you've

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Speaker 1: never heard of before, and he goes, look, here's what's

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Speaker 1: happening to me, can you write me a letter?

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Speaker 2: Yep, And that's why I'm not seeking guessing him. He's

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Speaker 2: the local imp. I the benefit of hindsight, that's what

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Speaker 2: you know. You mean, sure he turned maybe Polkinghulm turned out.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing turned out to be something you didn't

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Speaker 2: know at the time. And if he didn't know at

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Speaker 2: the time, how can he possibly foresee what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's not clear.

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Speaker 3: That's not clear from the case. So like that's not

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Speaker 3: clear whether he did know him before, or he was

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. He's a constituent.

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Speaker 2: Well, sorry for that that I see in my electric.

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Speaker 3: Well he also it's not a very good test. He's

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Speaker 3: been asked and won't say whether he's received any funny.

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Speaker 1: Where did you get that from? That question from Hipkins

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Speaker 1: yesterday is what do you know? Why did you ask that?

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Speaker 1: And what difference does it make?

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Speaker 3: That's a question that the media have been asking. What

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Speaker 3: was the prior relationship here? And if he's if it's

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Speaker 3: so clear, and it's so fine, just say you didn't

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Speaker 3: And he won't say, But what.

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Speaker 1: If he did? But if to say, I give se

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Speaker 1: more money or you or Mark because you've been locally

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Speaker 1: so I happened to give you guys money. I'm still

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Speaker 1: as entitled as a constituent to the same representation whether

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you money or not, aren't I.

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Speaker 3: I think it raises concerned about transparency if he's not

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Speaker 3: upfront and saying that, fine if he did it, but

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Speaker 3: he should be clear about that he did it. And

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Speaker 3: that's what politicalations he.

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Speaker 2: Was at his local MP it was before he became

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Speaker 2: a minister, and you know, and that's along the short

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Speaker 2: of it. And the other thing too. On the land.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love those old land rovers. But the

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Speaker 2: thing that I love about the fact that it's all

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Speaker 2: over the media is that. And it was the same

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Speaker 2: reason I came. When I came back home in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 2: I've been involved in delivering the first elections up in

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Speaker 2: Iraq and one of the big issues up there is

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Speaker 2: that the candidates would blow each other up with roadside bombs.

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Speaker 2: And when I came home and eleven, the big issue, well,

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Speaker 2: the big issue was the teapot tapes, and I thought, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's good to be home.

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Speaker 1: The only issue that we have little.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. It's not some contexts around it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's a second blose.

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Speaker 3: I still think though, and there's a general feeling that

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Speaker 3: members of parliament helping constituents with an inquiry to police,

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Speaker 3: that's one thing that that happens. Fine, but insuiting yourself

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Speaker 3: in a murder investigation in writing, but here was under

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Speaker 3: inquiry for this. It was a serious offense and he's

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Speaker 3: inserting himself into a police inquiry of a serious offense.

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Speaker 3: And that's quite different to just advocating to you.

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Speaker 2: And I think the whole question is at the time

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Speaker 2: acting and good faith is it as a local MP.

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Speaker 2: But it's a good reminder for all of us as

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Speaker 2: MPs to make be very conscious that line and not

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Speaker 2: injecting yourself exactly.

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Speaker 1: Quick one for you, Jenny, this this thing of the

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Speaker 1: MARI party who you're going to have to deal with

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Speaker 1: in one way, shape or another if you want to

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Speaker 1: be contender for the election. Is this this parliamentary commissioner.

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Speaker 1: I noticed that your leader now says we can have

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Speaker 1: a commissioner for tatty. That's a waste of money because

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Speaker 1: you can't have it with powers. There are no powers.

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Speaker 1: So you're just going to employ yet another person to

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Speaker 1: earn a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year to

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Speaker 1: write reports to achieve what we.

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Speaker 3: Well, where did you get that from? Because I was

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Speaker 3: pretty clear at White Tangy that we support encouraging the

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Speaker 3: Whitani Tribunal. We weren't very excited about the Independent Commissioner

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Speaker 3: and Chris Hipkins that White Tangi came out quite clearly

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Speaker 3: and stated.

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Speaker 1: That, well, he changed his mind. It says Chris Hipkins,

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Speaker 1: he's open to consider that Parliamentary Commission ofty is proposed

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Speaker 1: by the married parties. We're all our role having beat

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Speaker 3: I'll go back and find it for you who said

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Speaker 3: quite clearly that the White Tongue he.

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Speaker 1: Changed his mind and the suing period I heard him

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Speaker 1: at White Tangy. But there's days ago. Stay will it, Genny,

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Speaker 1: Come on, this is twenty.

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Speaker 3: Four today and he said that too.

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Speaker 2: So you're ruling that rule that statement out there.

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Speaker 3: What I'll say to you, what I'll say to you.

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Speaker 3: It is important that that we has in place the

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Speaker 3: Tongue tribunal, and that's the We've got that in place.

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Speaker 1: But they want a special Parliamentary Commissioner. He says he's

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Speaker 1: open to considering it.

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Speaker 3: Is he not or considering it too? It's quite different to.

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Speaker 1: What you are. If you're specifical head to get sacked,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to sack you for this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think you love this one and you can.

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Speaker 1: Have an opinion.

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Speaker 3: Interesting how, like David said, does really stupid things like

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Speaker 3: in to being a murder investigation. But you're far more

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Speaker 3: interested in the why.

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Speaker 1: Because consider this morning and I'm just trying to you know.

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Speaker 2: You want a second for driving the Landy.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's that's not pretty.

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Speaker 3: He said no. The man in the car, the man

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Speaker 3: in the security did say no quite clearly.

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Speaker 2: He was.

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Speaker 1: Nature and he wants to cause it. And you know

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Speaker 1: you'd want to go I would do it. And Mark,

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Speaker 1: you didn't actually answer the question. You too would want

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Speaker 1: to drive up the steps, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 2: Or if I had, if I had, I would love

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Speaker 2: to drive a Landy up the steps if I had

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Speaker 2: permission from the from the commissioner, from sorry, from the speaker,

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Speaker 2: if you maybe.

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Speaker 1: Drive the Landing up the steps? Would it get the

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Speaker 1: barnacles off? The boating barnacles?

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Speaker 2: But there wasn't with barticles.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it wasn't even a boat. I think it sounds

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Speaker 3: I think actually sounds like a really good country in

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Speaker 3: Western lyric, the song.

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Speaker 1: Off the Boat, as we drive the Landy, there you go.

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Speaker 1: We've got to keep taking barnacles off this boat.

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Speaker 3: We've got a rolling thunder of constant announcements to remove

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Speaker 3: barcles on that road.

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