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Speaker 1: the big issues, the big controversies and the big conversations.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Dank, you want to good afternoon. Welcome in the

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Speaker 2: Weekend Sport on News Talks HEDB. The last day of

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Speaker 2: May twenty twenty five. Winter officially start tomorrow. I think

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Speaker 2: I hope your long weekend is going well. I'm Jason Fine,

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Speaker 2: show producer Andy McDonald. We're here talking sport until three

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Speaker 2: Friday night Super Rugby. In the books, the Chiefs have

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Speaker 2: confirmed they will top the regular season table.

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Speaker 3: Strikes it down the middle, it goes McKenzie's been good

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Speaker 3: tonight and it is all over here at Forsyth Bars Stadium,

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Speaker 3: at the Chiefs running out winners.

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Speaker 2: Forty one to twenty four and the Crusaders locking up

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Speaker 2: second place with a late win over the Brumbies. George

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Speaker 2: Bell has the ball under his left arm.

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Speaker 4: It's not going anywhere at first instance from the Crusaders.

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Speaker 4: Now they get a second jump, Bell breaks down the

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Speaker 4: point George Bell over the line, scores a try. Bells

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Speaker 4: bringouts across camp right, George Bell score the try, Crusaders

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Speaker 4: back in front.

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Speaker 2: And held on to it. So one two, three, Chiefs, Crusaders,

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Speaker 2: Brumbies locked in. They will each host a finals match

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Speaker 2: next weekend but against two. The Hurricanes and Reds are in,

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Speaker 2: but only one of them can finish fourth obviously and

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Speaker 2: give themselves a slight advantage given the nature of the

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Speaker 2: playoff format. Hurricanes v. More Wanna pecipacate tonight sky Stadium,

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Speaker 2: then reads against Beg and Drewer in Brisbane and to

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Speaker 2: get Super Saturday Underway Blues Waratahs at Eden Park, both

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Speaker 2: still in top six content. The winner stays alive and

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Speaker 2: will then hope that Mowana lose if they are to

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Speaker 2: squeak in. So three games to go and we probably

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Speaker 2: won't know until close to midnight what the situation is.

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Speaker 2: Whatever happens, we will have the wash up for you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: All of the New Zealand based head coaches who are

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Speaker 2: still involved will be with us just after middawn the

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Speaker 2: show tomorrow. Clayton McMillan, check, rob Enny Check, Clark Laidlaw check.

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Speaker 2: But who else Vern Cotton, maybe Tana Umanger. Maybe that's

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Speaker 2: all to be decided in the next twelve hours or so.

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Speaker 2: Kicking us off on the show today though, is the

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Speaker 2: unsavory side of rugby sideline abuse of match officials. It

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Speaker 2: has gotten so bad that one provincial union has threatened

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Speaker 2: escalating levels of abuse that they are receiving. It's the

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Speaker 2: holofinuer Cup but a union, their CEO, Corey Kennett, standing

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Speaker 2: by the chat to us, then, I want your stories

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Speaker 2: and your solutions on sideline abuse. How do we stop it?

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Speaker 2: How do we stop this and how bad has it got,

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Speaker 2: not just in rugby but another sport as well, particularly

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Speaker 2: at the grassroots level. Other matters around today go to

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Speaker 2: talk some cricket. It seems rather unseasonal given the fact

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Speaker 2: that it's winter tomorrow. But Tim Southey with us just

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Speaker 2: after two. He's got a new job with the England

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Speaker 2: team as a specialist skills coach. Gotta find out more

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Speaker 2: about that and how he looks back on his Black

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Speaker 2: Caps career with a bit of time to reflect. Dylan

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Speaker 2: Cleaver as well, after one on a variety of topics.

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Speaker 2: The shortlist to coach the Black Caps is apparently reportedly

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Speaker 2: down to four and Gary Steered is not on it.

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Speaker 2: Who is and who gets the gig? Dylan Clever after

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Speaker 2: one will get you to the US Women's Golf Open

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Speaker 2: Major at Aaron Hills. Where As you heard in the

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Speaker 2: Sports News, Dame Lydia Coe has a bit of work

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Speaker 2: but she's eight shots off. The clubhouse leader got a

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Speaker 2: dangerous weather in the area. So we'll get you to

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Speaker 2: the the US Women's Open after two. Aedim Peacock out

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Speaker 2: of Australia and his regular slot. Just a word on

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Speaker 2: Liam Lawson as well. He's starting to get the hang

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Speaker 2: of this, isn't he this f one stuff? He's recorded

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Speaker 2: a pair of top ten finishes and practice at the

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Speaker 2: Spanish Grand Prix. Qualifying will take place overnight tonight, but

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Speaker 2: he was sixth in practice one and tenth in practice two.

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Speaker 2: This is all starting to swing upwards for Liam Lawson.

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Speaker 2: But a live sport this afternoon Round two in football's

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Speaker 2: Chatham Cup games up and down the country which will

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Speaker 2: keep eyes on for you. But it's your show to

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Speaker 2: coming up twelve fast midday when.

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Speaker 1: It's down to the line. You made a call on

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Speaker 1: ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hyne News talksb.

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Speaker 2: The Hot Off. A Carpety rugby union has taken the

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Speaker 2: unprecedented step of threatening to cancel senior club rugby matches

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Speaker 2: in response to escalating abuse towards their match officials. The

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Speaker 2: final straw came when an official last weekend was threatened

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Speaker 2: with being stabbed after he made a decision in a

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Speaker 2: club rugby game. After a meeting between the union and

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Speaker 2: its clubs and officials as well, it was decided any

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Speaker 2: further instances of serious referee abuse would lead to the

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Speaker 2: cancelation of an entire round of club rugby matches for

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Speaker 2: a weekend holif to a carpety. Rugby Union Chief executive

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Speaker 2: Corey Kennett is with us on Weekend Sport. Corey, thanks

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Speaker 2: for taking the time. This sounds bad. How bad has

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Speaker 2: the abuse of referees become at grassroots?

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Speaker 5: It's bad. It's a nationwide epidemic and it's bad. There's

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Speaker 5: no area, no provincial union in New Zealand that isn't affected,

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Speaker 5: and it's bad. What I do have to say is

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Speaker 5: it is across all sports and sadly it's a mirror

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Speaker 5: of the degradation and society of respect in particular for

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Speaker 5: authority figures, but also for volunteerism for community servants. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's bad out there, mate.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's gotten worse?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, as we've seen in the last I'm seventeen years

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Speaker 5: in as CEO and it's definitely got worse in my time.

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Speaker 5: And what we're seeing is is the more severe incidents. Sadly,

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Speaker 5: a year. Once again, we see this in other sports

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Speaker 5: the other day spectator came on felt within their rights

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Speaker 5: in community, sport in general has just been degraded, and

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Speaker 5: so referee abuses has been degraded as part of that.

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Speaker 2: As I say, you've taken what is an unprecedented step

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Speaker 2: cancel Club Rugby, we're not going to play our games here,

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Speaker 2: which would be, as I'm sure you would agree, a

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Speaker 2: Do you expect to have to follow through with with this, Well.

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Speaker 5: The I'm inherently positive, Piney, So that so the enduring

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Speaker 5: hope is that it doesn't have to happen. Our whole community,

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Speaker 5: feel the same. But if we need to, we will.

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Speaker 5: We're prepared to pull the trigger. We have people clubs

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Speaker 5: that have all all signed up to this, realizing that

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Speaker 5: an option. We just can't watch this move by and

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Speaker 5: to stand up for these these hard working volunteers. One

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Speaker 5: personally that he has had three cases of serious abuse

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Speaker 6: And do you know what he did three.

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Speaker 5: Days later, Piney, He went and put his boots on

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Speaker 5: and refft again. So these these people are just absolutely

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Speaker 2: Let's let's get our cards on the table here, Corey.

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Speaker 2: What sort of abuse are we talking about here? Look,

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Speaker 2: I don't expect you to include the swear words, which

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Speaker 5: Doing a referee to to to get ft or your

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Speaker 5: of course prosecuted to the full extent of the regulations

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Speaker 5: the management have in general been the best group. Spectators

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Speaker 5: going to follow you to the car park, that sort

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Speaker 5: of low level cowardly statements. But the referee I was

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Speaker 5: just talking about who not only volunteers as a refeels

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Speaker 5: he was shouldered by a player running past disgruntled with

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Speaker 5: sort of crap, right, So that's the sort of level.

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Speaker 5: And what I would say in those instances I've told

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Speaker 2: This is utterly appauling, Cory.

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Speaker 6: This.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

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Speaker 2: This is just horrendous. And the word that you've used

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Speaker 2: a few times a few times there volunteers, not that

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Speaker 2: it matters, not that you should you know, feel that

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Speaker 2: you could have viewed someone like Ben O'Keefe because he's

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Speaker 2: a professional referee, but these are volunteer officials copping the

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Speaker 2: wrath of players and spectators. How do how do we

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Speaker 5: So we just need to we we recognize it's one

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Speaker 5: of these situations where you may never ever get rid

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Speaker 5: of it completely. And we're saying this is a million

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Speaker 5: miles apart from our oh come on, reef, Oh you're joking, reef,

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Speaker 5: compared to what we're talking about. But what we need

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Speaker 5: is all of community, multifested approach where everybody that has

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Speaker 5: You know, there's many things that used to happen in

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Speaker 5: society that used to be seen as oh well, that's

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Speaker 5: not the end of the world. They are not tolerated today.

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Speaker 5: Many many subjects, right, We just need to be able

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Speaker 5: to all work together as a community, and so identification.

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Speaker 5: Calling out people don't put yourself in a position of danger,

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Speaker 5: You've nailed in one pointed that there is a black hole.

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Speaker 5: There's no one club that is worse than the other.

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Speaker 2: You're not You're right. Nobody who is truly invested in

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Speaker 2: I love that. Now understand. Nextly, there's no no club

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Speaker 5: Well, you're right, no club ragby this weekend. Our clubs

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Speaker 5: And so we have this weekend off. But we actually

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Speaker 5: you're right. A week today will be a first round

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well done mate, Well again, congratulations on the stance

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Speaker 2: Love it Corey, great to chat mate, Enjoy your long weekend.

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Speaker 5: Cheers, plonyete see you mate.

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Speaker 2: That is Corey Kennett, CEO of Holopinmer Company Rugby Football Union.

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Speaker 2: All right, can I have your stories and your solutions?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty? What is wrong with people?

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Speaker 2: Physical abuse of grassroots referees necessitating hospital treatment at a

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Speaker 2: club rugby game? Club sports? Not that abuse of officials

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 2: One challenge in Corey identified it there is that club

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Speaker 2: rugby club sport is often played more often than not

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Speaker 2: you cop it? Can I hear stories? How often has

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, people volunteer to referee

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Speaker 2: I'd find other ways to use my time. Is there

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Speaker 2: What sort of what sort of abuse do you get?

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Speaker 2: it has been it has been good. Look, I don't

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Speaker 2: how are you good?

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Speaker 8: Ellen?

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Speaker 11: Look, I'm I'm not a referee and I'm not involved

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Speaker 2: Yep. Ellen, look I I I agree with you totally.

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Speaker 2: it's the club's responsibility to target and out these mongrels

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Speaker 2: We had a couple of bad, bad eggs at our club.

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Speaker 2: with you right after this. Heaps are texts coming through

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Speaker 2: They'd be twenty seven to one, Dave says Ponty. Great

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Speaker 2: interview with Corey. He spoke with passion. Great to see

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Speaker 9: I'm fine?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, just recently back, I just thought maybe that's interesting

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Speaker 13: haven't seen any I've sat and watched my old cricket

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Speaker 13: team playing cricket and there's been nothing I've seen that

432
00:24:59,467 --> 00:25:03,267
Speaker 13: looks nasty there. So I haven't watched an yet of

433
00:25:03,307 --> 00:25:06,227
Speaker 13: the soccer. All the rugby over here since I've come back.

434
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Speaker 13: I think from London, I wouldn't take my kids to

435
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Speaker 13: watch like club soccer on a Saturday because of the

436
00:25:13,067 --> 00:25:18,027
Speaker 13: amount swear words, just just throwing at the referee constant

437
00:25:18,147 --> 00:25:20,907
Speaker 13: every call. I argue, just like on TV, but it's

438
00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:25,547
Speaker 13: nine o'clock Saturday morning. Same with the little kids. Maybe

439
00:25:25,627 --> 00:25:27,747
Speaker 13: not with as much swear word, but everyone just at

440
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Speaker 13: the referee the whole time. So if you're a coach

441
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Speaker 13: of a school team, you know I would tell the

442
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Speaker 13: parents and the kids in my team you don't argue

443
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Speaker 13: with the ref if the kid fires up from there,

444
00:25:36,267 --> 00:25:38,147
Speaker 13: I from refereeing. I just asked them the cruise off

445
00:25:38,227 --> 00:25:42,267
Speaker 13: the field, and then their coach is normally pretty unhappy

446
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Speaker 13: because I don't see why something's gone wrong. But I

447
00:25:44,507 --> 00:25:46,827
Speaker 13: guess I'm still thinking thirty years ago when I was

448
00:25:46,827 --> 00:25:49,387
Speaker 13: a kid, that was the rules, so I haven't shifted

449
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Speaker 13: from that.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think coaches do have a

451
00:25:52,467 --> 00:25:54,267
Speaker 2: big role to play here, Hadley. I think you're right.

452
00:25:55,067 --> 00:25:58,547
Speaker 2: They can't cure everything. You're right, but at the very

453
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Speaker 2: least they can they can give the message to their players. Okay,

454
00:26:02,467 --> 00:26:05,747
Speaker 2: the referee's decision is final. You might absolutely disagree with it,

455
00:26:05,787 --> 00:26:08,427
Speaker 2: you might hate the decision, but at least what we

456
00:26:08,547 --> 00:26:11,107
Speaker 2: can do is is not calling into question. It's a

457
00:26:11,187 --> 00:26:13,187
Speaker 2: lot harder with spectators though, isn't it. But then again,

458
00:26:13,347 --> 00:26:15,587
Speaker 2: having said that, if you're coaching kids, you can bring

459
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Speaker 2: their parents into that conversation, can't you.

460
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and I think if everyone watches it on TV,

461
00:26:20,147 --> 00:26:23,387
Speaker 13: if what's taking on TV isn't a hardline, then every

462
00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:25,947
Speaker 13: kid and every parent watches that and they reproduce that

463
00:26:26,067 --> 00:26:29,787
Speaker 13: on a Wednesday night, very Saturday morning. So for soccer

464
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Speaker 13: football especially, the fas have just let the cat out

465
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Speaker 13: of the you know, they've just I've lost it because

466
00:26:35,987 --> 00:26:39,067
Speaker 13: every kid watches every favorite player abusing every referee on

467
00:26:39,187 --> 00:26:42,307
Speaker 13: Saturday and nothing happens. Whereas rugby fill still feels like

468
00:26:42,347 --> 00:26:44,307
Speaker 13: it's in control. It's a yellow card, it's a red card.

469
00:26:44,387 --> 00:26:46,027
Speaker 13: Kids know they can't do it, so they don't do it.

470
00:26:46,267 --> 00:26:48,387
Speaker 13: Parents know they can't do it. So I don't know

471
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Speaker 13: if that's the case with soccer and New Zealand because

472
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Speaker 13: they haven't gone and coached any or watched any. But

473
00:26:52,827 --> 00:26:55,827
Speaker 13: it's really unpleasant in England now.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's so much hearing you say you wouldn't

475
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Speaker 2: take your kids along to watch a game of club sport?

476
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Speaker 2: I mean, is that where we are now? I mean,

477
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Speaker 2: I hope we're not here. Look, I get the passion

478
00:27:07,787 --> 00:27:10,667
Speaker 2: for football in England. It's not excusing it, but you

479
00:27:10,747 --> 00:27:13,587
Speaker 2: know it's it's it's so steeped in history and you

480
00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:15,507
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of passion wrapped around the game

481
00:27:15,547 --> 00:27:18,027
Speaker 2: over there. But I would hate to think that we

482
00:27:18,547 --> 00:27:21,267
Speaker 2: have reached a point where taking your kids along to

483
00:27:21,307 --> 00:27:22,907
Speaker 2: watch a game of club sport that might involve I

484
00:27:22,907 --> 00:27:24,587
Speaker 2: don't know, made of yours or an uncle, I don't

485
00:27:24,587 --> 00:27:26,827
Speaker 2: know anyone. I'm not going to take them because they're

486
00:27:26,867 --> 00:27:28,307
Speaker 2: going to be they're going to be exposed to this

487
00:27:28,387 --> 00:27:28,947
Speaker 2: sort of stuff.

488
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

489
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I hope that it will get stopped in New Zealand,

490
00:27:32,827 --> 00:27:36,267
Speaker 13: saying worth going to watch soccer team. I liked having

491
00:27:36,307 --> 00:27:39,827
Speaker 13: season tickets Premier League, going and watching for seven years

492
00:27:39,907 --> 00:27:41,027
Speaker 13: or some mates from New Zealand.

493
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Speaker 6: But in London there in the end.

494
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Speaker 13: We moved our seats because we just couldn't handle the

495
00:27:47,587 --> 00:27:49,987
Speaker 13: like the just the horrendous nature of what's being said

496
00:27:50,347 --> 00:27:52,627
Speaker 13: where we were sitting from the people around us aimed

497
00:27:52,667 --> 00:27:55,547
Speaker 13: at our team and it's other spectators. We're like, wow,

498
00:27:55,587 --> 00:27:57,467
Speaker 13: we can't actually we don't want to deal with us anymore.

499
00:27:57,707 --> 00:27:59,867
Speaker 13: So that's just past of the course. That's normal there

500
00:28:00,547 --> 00:28:02,627
Speaker 13: and accepted. No one's kicked out of the ground for

501
00:28:02,827 --> 00:28:05,747
Speaker 13: racist you know, like unkind things being sworn. It's little

502
00:28:05,787 --> 00:28:07,547
Speaker 13: kids doing the fingers of that type of stuff, t

503
00:28:07,547 --> 00:28:11,187
Speaker 13: wearing out. So that's all acceptable in the Premier League.

504
00:28:11,227 --> 00:28:14,507
Speaker 13: So obviously it's acceptable for the amateur stuff on the weekend.

505
00:28:14,587 --> 00:28:16,947
Speaker 13: So't I don't know. I'm interested if someone says what

506
00:28:17,027 --> 00:28:18,867
Speaker 13: it's like in New Zealand And I hope it's not

507
00:28:18,987 --> 00:28:19,467
Speaker 13: quite there.

508
00:28:20,267 --> 00:28:22,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, well let's let's see. Helly, thanks for calling, mate,

509
00:28:22,667 --> 00:28:23,387
Speaker 2: appreciate your time.

510
00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:25,867
Speaker 13: Yeah, nice cool bot, but all the best.

511
00:28:25,907 --> 00:28:29,187
Speaker 2: By one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number.

512
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Speaker 14: Hey Rachel, Hi Puny, how are you doing doing well?

513
00:28:32,707 --> 00:28:33,027
Speaker 2: Doing well?

514
00:28:33,067 --> 00:28:33,187
Speaker 8: Now?

515
00:28:33,227 --> 00:28:34,667
Speaker 2: Your dad used to ref rugby.

516
00:28:35,387 --> 00:28:38,827
Speaker 15: Yeah, he refreed seenior club rugby in christ Church. And

517
00:28:38,907 --> 00:28:42,267
Speaker 15: there was one particular story that he told me about

518
00:28:42,267 --> 00:28:44,707
Speaker 15: a game. He was a young boy on the wedding

519
00:28:44,827 --> 00:28:46,987
Speaker 15: or Senior Clay rugby day would have been in the twenties,

520
00:28:47,627 --> 00:28:49,867
Speaker 15: and he probably wasn't having his best game, but his

521
00:28:50,147 --> 00:28:52,387
Speaker 15: dad was taking a lot of exception to it and

522
00:28:52,507 --> 00:28:56,547
Speaker 15: giving him absolute grief from the sideline, and my dad

523
00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:58,627
Speaker 15: was monitoring at and then it got to a point

524
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Speaker 15: where at halftime the dad actually came onto the field

525
00:29:01,947 --> 00:29:06,587
Speaker 15: and assaulted his hutting him about the heat. So my

526
00:29:06,667 --> 00:29:08,987
Speaker 15: dad stopped the game. Was the game that we're not

527
00:29:09,107 --> 00:29:13,187
Speaker 15: carrying on unless you leave the ground. But of back

528
00:29:13,227 --> 00:29:16,227
Speaker 15: and forth, the man actually ended up leaving, but before

529
00:29:16,267 --> 00:29:18,587
Speaker 15: the end of the game returned to try and attack

530
00:29:18,667 --> 00:29:20,507
Speaker 15: my dad with a piece of orbitwo.

531
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Speaker 2: Oh, lovely, he sounds like a he sounds like a wonderful,

532
00:29:23,627 --> 00:29:28,187
Speaker 2: upstanding gentleman. So he was abusing his own son out

533
00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:31,267
Speaker 2: there for the way that his son was not performing

534
00:29:31,347 --> 00:29:34,187
Speaker 2: up to his standards, presumably correct.

535
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Speaker 15: It was really really sad, and members of the public,

536
00:29:37,387 --> 00:29:41,307
Speaker 15: you know, other supporters and people watching. Philip tried to

537
00:29:41,867 --> 00:29:43,747
Speaker 15: get him to settle down and pull his head in,

538
00:29:43,867 --> 00:29:46,467
Speaker 15: but he wasn't having it. Dad's pretty good at the escalation.

539
00:29:46,667 --> 00:29:49,187
Speaker 15: He's been involved in rugby as his whole life and

540
00:29:49,947 --> 00:29:53,867
Speaker 15: seeing everything. But yeah, in this particular time, the yeah,

541
00:29:53,867 --> 00:29:57,707
Speaker 15: the guy came back and catacracked and few people jumped

542
00:29:57,747 --> 00:30:01,027
Speaker 15: in to help out, and nothing too serious ended up happening.

543
00:30:01,107 --> 00:30:03,467
Speaker 15: My dad wasn't It didn't get hash or anything, but

544
00:30:04,067 --> 00:30:08,027
Speaker 15: the union stepped in and he was banned. But like

545
00:30:08,107 --> 00:30:11,187
Speaker 15: you said, the public field it's pretty hard or impossible

546
00:30:11,227 --> 00:30:14,627
Speaker 15: to police. So that enough, either when I watched his

547
00:30:14,707 --> 00:30:17,867
Speaker 15: son again or what the story was. But yeah, not

548
00:30:18,067 --> 00:30:20,987
Speaker 15: just random I mean they're not emotionally invested. I don't

549
00:30:21,067 --> 00:30:23,507
Speaker 15: think in the game, So I don't know that random's

550
00:30:23,547 --> 00:30:25,147
Speaker 15: are really the issue getting stuck in.

551
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Speaker 16: I do think it's more people that have got some

552
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Speaker 16: form of emotional.

553
00:30:29,347 --> 00:30:34,347
Speaker 15: Connection to the players or the clubs. So yeah, that's

554
00:30:34,427 --> 00:30:35,907
Speaker 15: that's just my perspectus.

555
00:30:36,787 --> 00:30:40,947
Speaker 2: Did you I mean, did your dad sort of? I mean,

556
00:30:40,987 --> 00:30:42,987
Speaker 2: this is an extreme example of bloke coming back with

557
00:30:43,027 --> 00:30:44,667
Speaker 2: a bit of full by two but did he did

558
00:30:44,707 --> 00:30:47,347
Speaker 2: he regularly sort of you know, get the come on

559
00:30:47,467 --> 00:30:49,227
Speaker 2: reef from the sideline kind of stuff as well.

560
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, But he's he's physically fit and strong and mentally

561
00:30:56,187 --> 00:30:59,227
Speaker 15: as well, and he didn't sort of stuffer any fools.

562
00:30:59,667 --> 00:31:02,307
Speaker 15: He was really good with his communication with the players,

563
00:31:02,467 --> 00:31:05,067
Speaker 15: and he was I mean, I'm pretty proud of him.

564
00:31:05,107 --> 00:31:08,827
Speaker 15: He was consistent through the game, like the rule it

565
00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:11,747
Speaker 15: a certain way, or sourcing a certain way, it works

566
00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:14,027
Speaker 15: that way for both teams and they needed to adjust

567
00:31:15,867 --> 00:31:18,147
Speaker 15: and his communication was really good, so he didn't put

568
00:31:18,227 --> 00:31:20,707
Speaker 15: up with too much garbage. But yeah, it's going back

569
00:31:20,747 --> 00:31:24,707
Speaker 15: ten years, so it's not a new phenomenon. It's been

570
00:31:24,787 --> 00:31:25,667
Speaker 15: happening a long time.

571
00:31:26,027 --> 00:31:27,827
Speaker 3: But yeah, keep said threatening them.

572
00:31:27,867 --> 00:31:29,387
Speaker 15: I say, look, if you carry on, you're off.

573
00:31:29,467 --> 00:31:30,267
Speaker 16: It's a simple that.

574
00:31:30,947 --> 00:31:32,227
Speaker 15: Don't know how you parented me.

575
00:31:33,547 --> 00:31:33,987
Speaker 10: I love it.

576
00:31:34,067 --> 00:31:36,027
Speaker 2: I love it. You're not off to p Tony by

577
00:31:36,067 --> 00:31:36,787
Speaker 2: any chance today?

578
00:31:36,827 --> 00:31:37,027
Speaker 14: Are you?

579
00:31:37,787 --> 00:31:39,187
Speaker 15: I am hitting there right now.

580
00:31:39,427 --> 00:31:41,187
Speaker 6: Big day, one hundred.

581
00:31:40,987 --> 00:31:43,187
Speaker 2: And fortieth anniversary for your club today.

582
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Speaker 15: I understand it has got old faux pornickie that we're

583
00:31:49,187 --> 00:31:51,667
Speaker 15: playing against today, so it should be anesome occasion.

584
00:31:52,387 --> 00:31:55,067
Speaker 2: Good on your I hope the hope the sideline behavior

585
00:31:55,147 --> 00:31:58,067
Speaker 2: matches the occasion. Rachel, good to Jet, yours always.

586
00:31:58,507 --> 00:32:00,267
Speaker 6: Thank you, you take here you too?

587
00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:03,107
Speaker 2: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number.

588
00:32:03,107 --> 00:32:04,587
Speaker 2: Will take a break in a moment. But Andrew, could

589
00:32:04,587 --> 00:32:04,907
Speaker 2: I mate?

590
00:32:06,627 --> 00:32:10,907
Speaker 17: God? They yeah, I mean it's it's really changed.

591
00:32:11,027 --> 00:32:14,427
Speaker 18: I mean back in my day, which sir plus years ago,

592
00:32:15,427 --> 00:32:17,147
Speaker 18: you know, you might have a bit of biffer on

593
00:32:17,267 --> 00:32:21,107
Speaker 18: the field between players and the whole team gets together

594
00:32:21,227 --> 00:32:24,107
Speaker 18: and the last five minutes of the match there's a

595
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Speaker 18: big box up and the ref just walks off and

596
00:32:28,147 --> 00:32:28,587
Speaker 18: just whatever.

597
00:32:28,707 --> 00:32:33,707
Speaker 17: But there's no sideline interruption. You know, people on the sideline.

598
00:32:35,187 --> 00:32:37,667
Speaker 17: Where is this come from? You know what I mean,

599
00:32:37,947 --> 00:32:40,707
Speaker 17: It's just like you know my day. You just end

600
00:32:40,787 --> 00:32:42,787
Speaker 17: up going back to the club. We're in, shake hands,

601
00:32:43,347 --> 00:32:45,627
Speaker 17: have a couple of beers and it's all over right,

602
00:32:45,907 --> 00:32:52,227
Speaker 17: good day, great raby game, yep. And and but where

603
00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:57,547
Speaker 17: is the sideline interruption? And come what's causing it?

604
00:32:58,227 --> 00:33:00,747
Speaker 2: Well it's a great question, Andrew. And look here's the

605
00:33:00,867 --> 00:33:04,067
Speaker 2: question that we're all asking ourselves. How can somebody at

606
00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:06,707
Speaker 2: a club rugby game or a club football game or whatever,

607
00:33:06,827 --> 00:33:09,667
Speaker 2: a grassroots game get to a level where there's seven

608
00:33:09,787 --> 00:33:12,347
Speaker 2: sense with that volunteer out there, who's basically a guy

609
00:33:12,387 --> 00:33:13,907
Speaker 2: who's just given up his time on the weekend to

610
00:33:13,947 --> 00:33:15,987
Speaker 2: ref the match. How could he get so angry that

611
00:33:16,067 --> 00:33:23,187
Speaker 2: he that he's verbally abusing him or even worse, we.

612
00:33:23,347 --> 00:33:27,387
Speaker 18: Knew spoke badly about the wref The wrist goes, yeah,

613
00:33:27,467 --> 00:33:28,667
Speaker 18: he can't do this, do that?

614
00:33:28,827 --> 00:33:29,347
Speaker 12: You got We.

615
00:33:30,827 --> 00:33:35,827
Speaker 17: All red carded games over and we'd laugh about it

616
00:33:35,907 --> 00:33:37,067
Speaker 17: and go back to the club rooms.

617
00:33:37,507 --> 00:33:42,827
Speaker 2: But means knowing like anger at the wrist, Yeah, I

618
00:33:42,867 --> 00:33:44,627
Speaker 2: think referees have always been on the end of that,

619
00:33:44,787 --> 00:33:46,787
Speaker 2: oh you know, come on, ref that sort of stuff,

620
00:33:47,387 --> 00:33:50,307
Speaker 2: and that's that's very different from what we're talking about here, Andrew.

621
00:33:50,627 --> 00:33:53,067
Speaker 2: But yeah, the escalation of the sideline stuff has been

622
00:33:53,627 --> 00:33:58,307
Speaker 2: has been worrying in the last little while. And at

623
00:33:58,467 --> 00:34:00,987
Speaker 2: kids games, I mean, goodness me, what are we doing?

624
00:34:01,067 --> 00:34:02,347
Speaker 2: Seventeen to one back in a moment.

625
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Speaker 12: Don't get caught offside weekends us with Jason Pie and GJ.

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627
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Speaker 2: Dogs v fourteen to one Back to the lines fill

628
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Speaker 2: twenty six years of refereeing service. Congratulations made any stories

629
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Speaker 2: during that time.

630
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Speaker 6: Oh you collect. I took it up when I was

631
00:34:23,187 --> 00:34:24,707
Speaker 6: forty and retired at sixty six.

632
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Speaker 8: But love that.

633
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Speaker 6: It's not as hard as what people think. And as

634
00:34:30,227 --> 00:34:32,027
Speaker 6: you get older, you just you can run the fat

635
00:34:32,107 --> 00:34:34,707
Speaker 6: man's track. I mean, if your referee properly be there

636
00:34:34,707 --> 00:34:37,707
Speaker 6: when they score that, when they score the tries in

637
00:34:37,747 --> 00:34:40,627
Speaker 6: the corner or whatever, you do it fourteen k. But

638
00:34:40,747 --> 00:34:42,307
Speaker 6: if you run the fat man's track, you can get

639
00:34:42,307 --> 00:34:44,427
Speaker 6: away with nine or ten. But it was It's a

640
00:34:44,467 --> 00:34:48,467
Speaker 6: great occupation. Really, I recommend it to anybody. But during

641
00:34:48,547 --> 00:34:52,467
Speaker 6: that time, I got up to senior first, but I

642
00:34:52,547 --> 00:34:55,267
Speaker 6: did lots of touring school boys because I was self employed.

643
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Speaker 6: And I got chased off the field and win knowing

644
00:34:58,867 --> 00:35:03,067
Speaker 6: I remember Martin, who was that guy on the Your

645
00:35:03,107 --> 00:35:05,027
Speaker 6: program but before you Martin.

646
00:35:04,907 --> 00:35:06,667
Speaker 2: Martin Martin Devlin Martin one.

647
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he won't do a big story. But I wasn't

648
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Speaker 6: allowed that. I wasn't I wasn't chased by the players

649
00:35:12,907 --> 00:35:16,787
Speaker 6: spectator and then they started climbing all over the car and.

650
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Speaker 2: You're in your car and they were climbing on your car.

651
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Speaker 6: I ran to the car, yeah, and I got I

652
00:35:26,787 --> 00:35:29,667
Speaker 6: got hit twice at college I can't hit back because

653
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Speaker 6: just get wound up. So you can't do anything about that.

654
00:35:32,427 --> 00:35:37,107
Speaker 6: You just had to absorb it and the uh once

655
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Speaker 6: I ordered myself off because it was quite a grotesque game.

656
00:35:40,947 --> 00:35:43,667
Speaker 6: And I warned and warned. There was a senior senior

657
00:35:43,747 --> 00:35:46,667
Speaker 6: second and this guy had his back hanging out of

658
00:35:46,707 --> 00:35:48,787
Speaker 6: the rack, and this guy came in and kicked it.

659
00:35:49,627 --> 00:35:52,267
Speaker 6: You could almost hear a crunch. So I got my

660
00:35:52,547 --> 00:35:55,867
Speaker 6: big card out and I sort of called the guy that.

661
00:35:56,027 --> 00:35:57,747
Speaker 6: I pointed it at the guy and then I put

662
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Speaker 6: it on my forehead and I said, I'm red carding myself.

663
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Speaker 6: I left actators and the players on the field.

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Speaker 2: I'm having I'm not having any more this. This game

665
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Speaker 2: is done, all done.

666
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I took about that. I've got four daughters

667
00:36:11,027 --> 00:36:13,307
Speaker 6: and a wife, and they got the poor dog mutis.

668
00:36:13,587 --> 00:36:15,427
Speaker 6: So it was a house of females and I had

669
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Speaker 6: no power. No one would listened. Try blowing, no one

670
00:36:21,707 --> 00:36:24,667
Speaker 6: would listen. So the only power was on the field.

671
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Speaker 2: I love that, Phil, I love that mate. Good on

672
00:36:28,827 --> 00:36:30,547
Speaker 2: you and well done on your service to it. I

673
00:36:30,627 --> 00:36:31,107
Speaker 2: think you're right.

674
00:36:31,507 --> 00:36:31,747
Speaker 8: It is.

675
00:36:32,107 --> 00:36:35,067
Speaker 2: Look we're shining a light on the unsavory side. But

676
00:36:35,507 --> 00:36:37,867
Speaker 2: I know a lot of a lot of match officials

677
00:36:37,947 --> 00:36:39,147
Speaker 2: do get a heck of a lot out of it.

678
00:36:39,467 --> 00:36:41,627
Speaker 2: That's why they keep coming back. And I'll take the

679
00:36:41,667 --> 00:36:45,187
Speaker 2: odd bit of abuse, but not incessant stuff and certainly

680
00:36:45,267 --> 00:36:47,227
Speaker 2: not physical stuff. I'm glad you got away that day,

681
00:36:47,547 --> 00:36:50,067
Speaker 2: Phil when they started climbing on your car. I'll pass

682
00:36:50,107 --> 00:36:51,987
Speaker 2: your regards on to Martin next time I see him.

683
00:36:52,067 --> 00:36:52,907
Speaker 2: Good to hear from you, mate.

684
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Speaker 14: Hello Trena, Hi, I just wanted to comment on you

685
00:36:59,027 --> 00:37:01,747
Speaker 14: had a young man on a couple of polls ago

686
00:37:01,947 --> 00:37:05,627
Speaker 14: talking about being in the UK and going to Premier

687
00:37:05,747 --> 00:37:07,987
Speaker 14: League games and all that kind of thing, and you know,

688
00:37:08,147 --> 00:37:10,267
Speaker 14: just being sickened by what was going on round about.

689
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Speaker 14: We've been in New Zealand Scottish originally. We've been in

690
00:37:15,227 --> 00:37:17,267
Speaker 14: New Zealand over twenty five years now and we came

691
00:37:17,307 --> 00:37:20,307
Speaker 14: over with my many age children and of course football

692
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Speaker 14: or soccer was.

693
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Speaker 13: The game in the area that we lived in.

694
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Speaker 14: But the thing that sickened me about it, even going

695
00:37:26,707 --> 00:37:31,227
Speaker 14: back that length of time, was not only the bigotary

696
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Speaker 14: around race and you know, whether you face fitted or not,

697
00:37:36,027 --> 00:37:40,787
Speaker 14: but there's also a huge religious figurtrey in soccer in

698
00:37:40,867 --> 00:37:43,707
Speaker 14: the UK in Europe, and I don't know if people

699
00:37:43,747 --> 00:37:46,147
Speaker 14: are really aware of that. And that's one thing, you know.

700
00:37:46,227 --> 00:37:50,227
Speaker 14: I was glad to escape in the UK to bring

701
00:37:50,307 --> 00:37:52,187
Speaker 14: our boys to New Zealand and they got involved in

702
00:37:52,307 --> 00:37:55,027
Speaker 14: rugby et cetera, et cetera, and they've had a wonderful time.

703
00:37:55,507 --> 00:38:00,507
Speaker 14: My husband coached, you know, their high school teams. I've

704
00:38:00,547 --> 00:38:02,667
Speaker 14: got a young grandson now who's eight and he's just

705
00:38:02,787 --> 00:38:05,387
Speaker 14: taken up football or soccer and I went to my

706
00:38:05,427 --> 00:38:07,547
Speaker 14: first game to watch him last weekend and it was lovely.

707
00:38:08,067 --> 00:38:10,827
Speaker 14: It was all very you know, PC and you know,

708
00:38:10,867 --> 00:38:13,827
Speaker 14: everybody was respectful, et cetera. And I hope that continues.

709
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Speaker 14: But I see the trend moving away from rugby towards

710
00:38:17,467 --> 00:38:20,907
Speaker 14: soccer in New Zealand, and I just you know, New

711
00:38:20,987 --> 00:38:23,467
Speaker 14: Zealanders seem to have this impression that soccer, you know,

712
00:38:23,547 --> 00:38:25,667
Speaker 14: the beautiful game. It's actually not.

713
00:38:26,867 --> 00:38:27,187
Speaker 10: It's not.

714
00:38:27,427 --> 00:38:31,627
Speaker 14: It attracts thugs, that attracts casuals, It attracts racist bigots,

715
00:38:32,147 --> 00:38:35,347
Speaker 14: religious bigots, everything. I mean, when you go back into

716
00:38:35,347 --> 00:38:39,667
Speaker 14: the UK, you've got the whole Celtic Rangers, then the Enharts,

717
00:38:40,067 --> 00:38:45,587
Speaker 14: Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, Everton they're all divided amongst

718
00:38:45,627 --> 00:38:49,747
Speaker 14: religious it's all religion, Catholic, Protestant, every one of them.

719
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Speaker 2: So yeah, sorry, I've got to get to one more call.

720
00:38:54,627 --> 00:38:58,307
Speaker 2: But yeah, now you've you've you've learned on yeah, something

721
00:38:58,347 --> 00:39:00,387
Speaker 2: I think we were all aware of. And look, I

722
00:39:00,907 --> 00:39:04,187
Speaker 2: really sincerely hope that doesn't spill into what happens over here.

723
00:39:04,267 --> 00:39:07,347
Speaker 2: I hope your grandson and Joy it's his football journey

724
00:39:07,427 --> 00:39:09,027
Speaker 2: and I hope it stays the way you've said it is.

725
00:39:09,867 --> 00:39:12,267
Speaker 2: But yeah, some of the scenes we see, particularly that

726
00:39:12,307 --> 00:39:15,587
Speaker 2: elite level in the UK, are pretty horrendous. And you're right,

727
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,667
Speaker 2: the divisions are off and down religious lines. Thanks for

728
00:39:18,667 --> 00:39:21,947
Speaker 2: your called Trina Owen, Hi, Hi, how.

729
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Speaker 8: Are you good?

730
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Speaker 13: Okay?

731
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Speaker 10: My story is when I was young, I was playing

732
00:39:30,587 --> 00:39:36,107
Speaker 10: soccer for the team was called Burndale what's now called

733
00:39:36,427 --> 00:39:47,867
Speaker 10: the twenty eleven. My father was coaching me. We had

734
00:39:47,907 --> 00:39:52,827
Speaker 10: a game up in Rangiura and the Ranguura side half

735
00:39:52,867 --> 00:39:57,987
Speaker 10: the squad were female and we lost quite heavily to them.

736
00:39:58,747 --> 00:40:01,667
Speaker 10: They were really good soccer players. My dad was so

737
00:40:01,987 --> 00:40:05,667
Speaker 10: furious it was a cold winter's morning. He left me behind.

738
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Speaker 10: What he left me behind, and luckily a parent took

739
00:40:13,587 --> 00:40:16,987
Speaker 10: me home. But this was quite a regular occurrence.

740
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Speaker 6: With my father.

741
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Speaker 10: If we lost a game, especially if we were playing

742
00:40:20,067 --> 00:40:22,387
Speaker 10: away from home, he'd leave me behind.

743
00:40:23,507 --> 00:40:27,027
Speaker 2: No offense, no offense to your family mate.

744
00:40:27,027 --> 00:40:27,267
Speaker 8: But what.

745
00:40:29,947 --> 00:40:34,827
Speaker 10: He was a very stripped scotchman. He expected high standards

746
00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:37,947
Speaker 10: from me, and I was the worst player on the

747
00:40:38,027 --> 00:40:42,387
Speaker 10: soccer field, and as a punishment, he would leave me behind,

748
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Speaker 10: especially if we were say like okay, the home ground

749
00:40:46,347 --> 00:40:50,307
Speaker 10: was Burnside Park. If we went to New Brighton and

750
00:40:50,387 --> 00:40:55,187
Speaker 10: I remember playing them, we lost, he would drive home

751
00:40:55,547 --> 00:40:57,147
Speaker 10: and I'd have to find my own way home.

752
00:40:58,827 --> 00:41:02,307
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that happened to you, Owen. I'm very sorry

753
00:41:02,387 --> 00:41:05,587
Speaker 2: that that happened to you. I'm out of time, unfortunately, mate,

754
00:41:05,627 --> 00:41:10,947
Speaker 2: but I don't have any words to describe that. I'm afraid.

755
00:41:11,187 --> 00:41:13,467
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling. Seven to one. Still can't quite

756
00:41:13,507 --> 00:41:19,107
Speaker 2: believe that call. A father leaving his son behind after

757
00:41:19,187 --> 00:41:22,427
Speaker 2: a game because he was disappointed with the game. I

758
00:41:22,587 --> 00:41:26,027
Speaker 2: was always told there are two questions you ask your

759
00:41:26,147 --> 00:41:28,827
Speaker 2: kid after a game of sport. One is did you

760
00:41:28,987 --> 00:41:30,787
Speaker 2: enjoy yourself? And the second is what would you like

761
00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:36,067
Speaker 2: to eat? That's it. Thanks for all your calls and

762
00:41:36,147 --> 00:41:38,947
Speaker 2: your texts. Will do this again one day cricket for

763
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Speaker 2: you after.

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Speaker 1: One, the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

765
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Speaker 1: on and after fields.

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767
00:41:49,907 --> 00:41:50,867
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768
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769
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Speaker 2: producing the show. It's called Weekend Sport. We're here till three.

770
00:42:00,307 --> 00:42:04,227
Speaker 2: Thank you for all your correspondence last hour. I could

771
00:42:04,307 --> 00:42:06,947
Speaker 2: not possibly get to all of the tech messages that

772
00:42:07,027 --> 00:42:09,507
Speaker 2: we're coming through thanks to those of you who called

773
00:42:09,587 --> 00:42:14,267
Speaker 2: through with your thoughts and your stories on sideline abuse. Hopefully,

774
00:42:14,707 --> 00:42:19,387
Speaker 2: hopefully this move by a Holofanua Carpany Rugby Union will

775
00:42:19,747 --> 00:42:23,667
Speaker 2: bear fruit. And what your hope is, it's not just

776
00:42:23,827 --> 00:42:27,787
Speaker 2: like okay, well we'll be you know, we'll mind our

777
00:42:27,867 --> 00:42:30,387
Speaker 2: manners for a week or two and then just revert

778
00:42:30,467 --> 00:42:33,467
Speaker 2: back to what we've always done. Hopefully it's something that

779
00:42:34,067 --> 00:42:39,467
Speaker 2: will have a consistent and hopefully long running effect. We'll

780
00:42:39,547 --> 00:42:42,587
Speaker 2: keep tabs. We will keep tabs. One point that was

781
00:42:42,667 --> 00:42:47,187
Speaker 2: made last hour, which I think is probably worth making

782
00:42:47,707 --> 00:42:51,547
Speaker 2: or reinforcing, is that at a lot of club sport

783
00:42:51,627 --> 00:42:55,667
Speaker 2: you can drink on the sideline. I know there are

784
00:42:55,787 --> 00:43:00,347
Speaker 2: some clubs, probably a lot of clubs that don't allow that.

785
00:43:01,027 --> 00:43:04,467
Speaker 2: But it happens, doesn't it. We've all seen it, people

786
00:43:04,547 --> 00:43:06,467
Speaker 2: drinking on the sideline. I mean, that's not what a

787
00:43:06,507 --> 00:43:11,747
Speaker 2: great recipe, is it? Really? Anyway, we could revisit this

788
00:43:11,827 --> 00:43:16,747
Speaker 2: another day. It's an interesting topic. I want to talk

789
00:43:16,787 --> 00:43:19,347
Speaker 2: some cricket. Even though tomorrow was the first official day

790
00:43:19,387 --> 00:43:24,427
Speaker 2: of winter, it's rather unseasonable, I know, unseasonal. But Gary

791
00:43:24,547 --> 00:43:27,947
Speaker 2: Stead looks as though he will no longer be black

792
00:43:27,987 --> 00:43:31,787
Speaker 2: Caps coach in any capacity. It's a seven year rain

793
00:43:32,267 --> 00:43:35,147
Speaker 2: which now appears to be coming to an end. Gary Stead,

794
00:43:35,187 --> 00:43:37,787
Speaker 2: of course, had already said he didn't want to coach

795
00:43:37,867 --> 00:43:41,507
Speaker 2: the white ball formats anymore, but he would be interested

796
00:43:42,107 --> 00:43:45,107
Speaker 2: in staying on as red ball coach for the black Caps.

797
00:43:45,507 --> 00:43:49,467
Speaker 2: He has not, though, been interviewed in any capacity for

798
00:43:49,827 --> 00:43:53,507
Speaker 2: that role or the overarching role. Obviously he couldn't be

799
00:43:53,587 --> 00:43:55,627
Speaker 2: because he didn't want to do the white ball stuff.

800
00:43:55,867 --> 00:44:00,547
Speaker 2: So Gary Stead will leave having fashioned arguably the greatest

801
00:44:00,627 --> 00:44:03,947
Speaker 2: record of any black Caps coach. A World Test Championship,

802
00:44:04,347 --> 00:44:08,387
Speaker 2: the three nil series victory in India, fifty over and

803
00:44:08,507 --> 00:44:12,387
Speaker 2: twenty over World Cup final appearances to his credit, So

804
00:44:12,467 --> 00:44:16,907
Speaker 2: I think his legacy will be pretty secure. But who

805
00:44:16,947 --> 00:44:19,587
Speaker 2: will get the gig? Now, who are the candidates and

806
00:44:19,627 --> 00:44:22,827
Speaker 2: who is most likely to get the gig? Let's bring

807
00:44:22,907 --> 00:44:26,387
Speaker 2: in Award winning sports writer and author of the superb

808
00:44:26,827 --> 00:44:31,867
Speaker 2: subscriber newsletter The Bounce, Dylan Cleaver. Dylan, presumably you're hearing

809
00:44:31,907 --> 00:44:35,587
Speaker 2: the same things that we are. Gary Stead's tenyu will end,

810
00:44:35,667 --> 00:44:39,827
Speaker 2: which presumably means that New Zealand Cricket have decided against

811
00:44:40,427 --> 00:44:43,467
Speaker 2: splitting out the coaching role between formats, having a red

812
00:44:43,507 --> 00:44:46,147
Speaker 2: ball coach and a white ball coach. They're not going

813
00:44:46,227 --> 00:44:46,547
Speaker 2: to do that.

814
00:44:47,587 --> 00:44:52,147
Speaker 16: Yeah, essentially, I think there's a great reluctance to split

815
00:44:52,227 --> 00:44:55,707
Speaker 16: the roles, and I think that's understandable. It's been tried,

816
00:44:56,547 --> 00:44:59,147
Speaker 16: certainly in bigger programs around the world. England tried it,

817
00:44:59,307 --> 00:45:03,067
Speaker 16: but they tend to go back to the single head

818
00:45:03,147 --> 00:45:08,547
Speaker 16: coach system and within that kind of system you can

819
00:45:08,627 --> 00:45:12,987
Speaker 16: bring in specialist assistance for the different formats. But yeah,

820
00:45:13,027 --> 00:45:16,867
Speaker 16: my understanding is extremely likely to go with the single

821
00:45:16,947 --> 00:45:17,387
Speaker 16: head coach.

822
00:45:17,707 --> 00:45:21,347
Speaker 2: Do you think the players, particularly the white ball specialists,

823
00:45:21,427 --> 00:45:24,387
Speaker 2: would like the idea of split roles or not.

824
00:45:26,187 --> 00:45:27,307
Speaker 6: No, I don't think so.

825
00:45:27,627 --> 00:45:32,147
Speaker 16: I think, well, it's hard to say rearlier until until

826
00:45:32,187 --> 00:45:35,307
Speaker 16: you try it, I guess. But I think there's a

827
00:45:35,627 --> 00:45:39,547
Speaker 16: fundamental misand understanding of the head coach role in cricket.

828
00:45:40,147 --> 00:45:42,627
Speaker 16: I think with the different formats, your head coach is

829
00:45:42,667 --> 00:45:46,987
Speaker 16: more facilitated than anything. And because the modern cricket environment

830
00:45:47,147 --> 00:45:50,867
Speaker 16: is so fractured, so multi format, and players, the best

831
00:45:50,867 --> 00:45:53,747
Speaker 16: players in the world are going from franchise to franchise,

832
00:45:54,867 --> 00:45:57,947
Speaker 16: you know, team to team, format to format. They don't

833
00:45:57,987 --> 00:46:00,587
Speaker 16: want to go into environments where the head coach is

834
00:46:00,627 --> 00:46:03,507
Speaker 16: trying to tell them how to play cricket. Essentially, you

835
00:46:03,667 --> 00:46:06,547
Speaker 16: want a very consistent personality as your head coach, which

836
00:46:07,067 --> 00:46:09,787
Speaker 16: you want a very good organizer as a head coach,

837
00:46:10,147 --> 00:46:12,907
Speaker 16: and that's what Gary Stead became. And I think that

838
00:46:12,987 --> 00:46:15,787
Speaker 16: players had a great dealar respect for his consistency of

839
00:46:15,867 --> 00:46:19,467
Speaker 16: his personality, consistency of the selection as much as them

840
00:46:19,547 --> 00:46:23,867
Speaker 16: might have frustrated us at punters from time to time. Yeah,

841
00:46:23,907 --> 00:46:27,547
Speaker 16: and just consistency of that environment. And I think that's

842
00:46:27,627 --> 00:46:29,467
Speaker 16: what they crave more than anything else.

843
00:46:29,667 --> 00:46:32,547
Speaker 2: All right, Well, the names that have been banded around

844
00:46:32,587 --> 00:46:34,787
Speaker 2: as those who did get an interview former ball and

845
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Speaker 2: coach of Shane Bond and Shane Jurgenson, incumbent assistant Luke

846
00:46:38,907 --> 00:46:42,107
Speaker 2: Ronkey and former domestic and recent South African white ball

847
00:46:42,227 --> 00:46:46,427
Speaker 2: coach Rob Walter. Of that quartet, first of all, who

848
00:46:46,587 --> 00:46:49,787
Speaker 2: seems most suitable and secondly, who do you think will

849
00:46:49,827 --> 00:46:50,067
Speaker 2: get it?

850
00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:59,387
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's a tough question. I guess Jurgensen has the

851
00:46:59,427 --> 00:47:03,347
Speaker 16: advantage that he was a long time part of that camp,

852
00:47:03,507 --> 00:47:07,027
Speaker 16: that black Caps camp, probably longer than than the others,

853
00:47:07,027 --> 00:47:10,267
Speaker 16: although Luke Ronky has been in and around the team

854
00:47:10,307 --> 00:47:13,427
Speaker 16: for a while now. I think Luke's big disadvantages He's

855
00:47:13,507 --> 00:47:17,227
Speaker 16: yet to have a big time head coach role, so

856
00:47:17,467 --> 00:47:21,627
Speaker 16: his experience has all been as an assistant. Rob Bolter

857
00:47:21,827 --> 00:47:24,947
Speaker 16: was the name that popped up almost immediately, wasn't it.

858
00:47:25,187 --> 00:47:30,347
Speaker 16: And I'm not certain it was a coincidence that he

859
00:47:30,507 --> 00:47:35,467
Speaker 16: left South Africa when he did, And my understanding was

860
00:47:35,467 --> 00:47:37,507
Speaker 16: perhaps one of the reasons he left that South African

861
00:47:37,587 --> 00:47:41,267
Speaker 16: system was because of the split head coach role and

862
00:47:41,547 --> 00:47:44,107
Speaker 16: the difficulties that wasn't getting guys in that have been

863
00:47:44,187 --> 00:47:45,987
Speaker 16: under a head coach at Red Bull and then you

864
00:47:46,147 --> 00:47:47,667
Speaker 16: just get them for a week or so and you're

865
00:47:47,707 --> 00:47:50,627
Speaker 16: head coaching them and the white ball and I think

866
00:47:50,747 --> 00:47:55,387
Speaker 16: it was an awkward fit there, so yeah, I mean,

867
00:47:55,467 --> 00:47:57,587
Speaker 16: I don't know, but I would.

868
00:47:58,907 --> 00:47:59,307
Speaker 8: I would be.

869
00:47:59,387 --> 00:48:02,067
Speaker 16: Mildly surprised if it wasn't Rob Walker. I think he's

870
00:48:02,107 --> 00:48:06,547
Speaker 16: got the depth of experience as a head coach got

871
00:48:06,627 --> 00:48:09,427
Speaker 16: into that role. But that's not to say that that's

872
00:48:09,467 --> 00:48:11,827
Speaker 16: the same way as the New Zealand Cricket board thinking.

873
00:48:12,507 --> 00:48:16,347
Speaker 2: A name that's missing for me is Peter Fulton, multiple

874
00:48:16,507 --> 00:48:20,187
Speaker 2: championship winning coach in a bunch of formats for Canterbury,

875
00:48:20,867 --> 00:48:24,347
Speaker 2: former Test player himself of course, and white ball cricketer.

876
00:48:24,987 --> 00:48:26,827
Speaker 2: Was it a surprise to you that Peter Fulton's not

877
00:48:26,907 --> 00:48:27,627
Speaker 2: in this conversation?

878
00:48:28,547 --> 00:48:31,587
Speaker 16: Absolutely a surprise to me that he didn't get an interview.

879
00:48:31,707 --> 00:48:33,867
Speaker 16: If that is the case and the jungle drums are true,

880
00:48:33,907 --> 00:48:36,947
Speaker 16: and before that you previously mentioned are the ones that

881
00:48:37,107 --> 00:48:39,507
Speaker 16: made the short list and got an interview, I would

882
00:48:39,507 --> 00:48:41,907
Speaker 16: have thought Peter Fulton did it how you meant to

883
00:48:41,987 --> 00:48:44,907
Speaker 16: do it. He was probably too early into that assistant

884
00:48:44,987 --> 00:48:48,027
Speaker 16: role within the Black Caps, probably realized that that he

885
00:48:48,147 --> 00:48:51,307
Speaker 16: needed to get out and get some head coach experience.

886
00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:54,627
Speaker 16: He's done that at Canterbury. He's done it extremely well.

887
00:48:56,187 --> 00:48:59,387
Speaker 16: Maybe the only Black Mark against his name is that

888
00:48:59,547 --> 00:49:02,467
Speaker 16: he has been a little insulated within that New Zealand

889
00:49:02,587 --> 00:49:08,467
Speaker 16: Canterbury system, maybe the high performer managers at New Zealand

890
00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:10,787
Speaker 16: Cricket field that he needs to get a slightly more

891
00:49:10,867 --> 00:49:13,627
Speaker 16: breadth of experience in coaching and perhaps needs to go

892
00:49:13,707 --> 00:49:18,827
Speaker 16: to either another association or coach overseas as well. But yeah,

893
00:49:18,867 --> 00:49:21,107
Speaker 16: I'm certainly surprised that he didn't at the very least

894
00:49:21,107 --> 00:49:21,747
Speaker 16: in an interview.

895
00:49:21,947 --> 00:49:24,347
Speaker 2: All Right, well, I wait for the outcome of who

896
00:49:24,987 --> 00:49:27,907
Speaker 2: eventually does get the top job flying under the radar,

897
00:49:27,987 --> 00:49:30,187
Speaker 2: and I read this with interest in your latest newsletter.

898
00:49:30,427 --> 00:49:32,267
Speaker 2: We're all keen to see who the new black Caps

899
00:49:32,307 --> 00:49:35,547
Speaker 2: head coaches. But the head of high performance role is

900
00:49:35,627 --> 00:49:39,667
Speaker 2: also soon to be vacated by Brian Stronach, so he'll

901
00:49:39,707 --> 00:49:43,707
Speaker 2: need to be replaced as well. How important an appointment is?

902
00:49:43,867 --> 00:49:48,507
Speaker 16: This massively important and not important all at the same time.

903
00:49:48,867 --> 00:49:52,227
Speaker 16: And let me explain that for a little bit there.

904
00:49:52,747 --> 00:49:55,067
Speaker 16: Brian Stronach was really highly regarded.

905
00:49:55,147 --> 00:49:57,587
Speaker 19: He was really highly regarded by the players, and I

906
00:49:57,627 --> 00:50:00,627
Speaker 19: think he was really highly regarded within cricket circles in

907
00:50:00,667 --> 00:50:04,227
Speaker 19: New Zealand are the major associations, and that as a

908
00:50:04,307 --> 00:50:09,267
Speaker 19: completely ego free who just made sure things worked.

909
00:50:10,187 --> 00:50:14,387
Speaker 16: And in that respect, it's a massively important role. You've

910
00:50:14,427 --> 00:50:17,947
Speaker 16: got to be that interface between the major six major associations,

911
00:50:18,027 --> 00:50:22,347
Speaker 16: between the national side, and as I mentioned before and

912
00:50:22,547 --> 00:50:25,147
Speaker 16: can mention that nauseam, the cricket world is just so

913
00:50:26,027 --> 00:50:31,307
Speaker 16: fractured and complicated at the moment. You need a superbly

914
00:50:31,427 --> 00:50:34,107
Speaker 16: organized guy in that head of high performance role, that

915
00:50:34,587 --> 00:50:39,347
Speaker 16: making sure everything is catered for the needs of the players,

916
00:50:39,427 --> 00:50:42,907
Speaker 16: the coaching staff, the major associations has catered for at

917
00:50:42,907 --> 00:50:46,067
Speaker 16: a time when more and more and more cricket has

918
00:50:46,147 --> 00:50:50,427
Speaker 16: been squeezed into the calendar, and you know, there's so

919
00:50:50,587 --> 00:50:53,107
Speaker 16: much more cricket being paid with a that's franchise level,

920
00:50:53,147 --> 00:50:57,147
Speaker 16: whether that's domestic, first class level, whether it's international level,

921
00:50:57,267 --> 00:50:59,347
Speaker 16: and yet there is still only three hundred and sixty

922
00:50:59,387 --> 00:51:03,107
Speaker 16: five days of the year. So that role is incredibly important.

923
00:51:03,867 --> 00:51:07,907
Speaker 16: Yet it will remain virtually annemous. I mean, there'll be

924
00:51:07,947 --> 00:51:10,307
Speaker 16: people listening to this now that they don't even know

925
00:51:10,387 --> 00:51:12,827
Speaker 16: who Brian Stronach is. And I think that's the way

926
00:51:12,907 --> 00:51:14,987
Speaker 16: he liked it, and I think that's the way the

927
00:51:15,067 --> 00:51:16,867
Speaker 16: guys who worked under him liked it too.

928
00:51:17,107 --> 00:51:19,667
Speaker 2: All Right, and the other thing bubbling away is the

929
00:51:20,187 --> 00:51:25,507
Speaker 2: imminent release of New Zealand Cricket's centrally contracted list. They

930
00:51:25,627 --> 00:51:29,547
Speaker 2: centrally contract twenty players every year. This has changed a lot,

931
00:51:29,627 --> 00:51:32,747
Speaker 2: hasn't it in the last few years. Players the likes

932
00:51:32,787 --> 00:51:37,227
Speaker 2: of Cain, Williamson, Devon Conway, Blocky, Ferguson, Finellen sim ciphered.

933
00:51:37,587 --> 00:51:39,947
Speaker 2: They're not interested in central contracts anymore, are they?

934
00:51:41,147 --> 00:51:45,827
Speaker 16: No, No, they're not. Well, probably for different reasons. You know,

935
00:51:45,947 --> 00:51:48,627
Speaker 16: Finale and then Tim Seifher to T twenty specialist, so

936
00:51:48,667 --> 00:51:52,587
Speaker 16: it makes sense for them to be available for as

937
00:51:52,627 --> 00:51:55,147
Speaker 16: many as the high paying T twenty gigs around the world.

938
00:51:56,067 --> 00:51:58,307
Speaker 16: With Cain it's slightly different. You know, he's at the

939
00:51:58,427 --> 00:52:00,227
Speaker 16: end of his career. He wants to be able to

940
00:52:00,427 --> 00:52:03,107
Speaker 16: sort of dictate his calendar. He's got a young family.

941
00:52:04,667 --> 00:52:07,147
Speaker 16: I think he's made it pretty clear the last four

942
00:52:07,267 --> 00:52:10,427
Speaker 16: or five years that his interest in playing bilateral white

943
00:52:10,507 --> 00:52:14,787
Speaker 16: bull cricketer as at an all time low. So again

944
00:52:14,987 --> 00:52:18,027
Speaker 16: it makes sense for him. He's going to have fewer

945
00:52:18,107 --> 00:52:21,827
Speaker 16: opportunities than the younger guys to go into just what

946
00:52:21,987 --> 00:52:25,147
Speaker 16: you'd call the nest egg phase of your career. But

947
00:52:25,307 --> 00:52:28,347
Speaker 16: that doesn't mean he's not interested in playing for New Zealand.

948
00:52:28,547 --> 00:52:30,827
Speaker 16: I still think in the right circumstances, he'd love to

949
00:52:30,867 --> 00:52:34,947
Speaker 16: be available for major tournaments and for Marquee Test Series,

950
00:52:35,827 --> 00:52:38,347
Speaker 16: And to be honest, and yes, that's up to the

951
00:52:38,427 --> 00:52:40,707
Speaker 16: new high performance manager and the new head coach of

952
00:52:40,747 --> 00:52:43,467
Speaker 16: the black Caps as to how much they would want

953
00:52:43,547 --> 00:52:47,107
Speaker 16: to indulge that. And you know, from a fans perspective

954
00:52:47,147 --> 00:52:51,347
Speaker 16: and certainly from a cricket journalist perspective, I think Kain

955
00:52:51,387 --> 00:52:54,347
Speaker 16: Williamson has certainly earned the right to be indulged and

956
00:52:54,427 --> 00:52:56,947
Speaker 16: I think anything we can do to extend that playing

957
00:52:57,027 --> 00:52:59,587
Speaker 16: career should be seriously considered.

958
00:52:59,747 --> 00:53:02,307
Speaker 2: Absolutely so, Matt Henry number one for you. I know

959
00:53:02,347 --> 00:53:04,827
Speaker 2: that I published the rankings they probably should, but Matt

960
00:53:04,867 --> 00:53:07,387
Speaker 2: Henry number one for you clear.

961
00:53:07,387 --> 00:53:09,827
Speaker 16: By the length of straight for me, his his work

962
00:53:09,867 --> 00:53:13,707
Speaker 16: over the past twelve months in all formats has been phenomenal.

963
00:53:13,907 --> 00:53:19,027
Speaker 16: You know, him missing that G twenty final, I think

964
00:53:19,507 --> 00:53:24,067
Speaker 16: he has showed the importance of himself to that team.

965
00:53:25,907 --> 00:53:29,707
Speaker 16: You know, he's just turned into a machine like efficient

966
00:53:30,067 --> 00:53:32,267
Speaker 16: fast bowler, one of the best we've ever had. And

967
00:53:32,467 --> 00:53:34,187
Speaker 16: you know, people tend to forget he had to wait

968
00:53:34,227 --> 00:53:36,667
Speaker 16: in the wings a long time to get his opportunity,

969
00:53:37,307 --> 00:53:40,627
Speaker 16: and he and you know, his early results in international

970
00:53:40,667 --> 00:53:43,427
Speaker 16: cricket were not good at all. I think at one

971
00:53:43,507 --> 00:53:46,787
Speaker 16: point he was a guy who had the highest Test

972
00:53:46,827 --> 00:53:49,147
Speaker 16: bowling average for someone who played a minimum of ten

973
00:53:49,227 --> 00:53:51,707
Speaker 16: tests or something like that. So he has learned on

974
00:53:51,787 --> 00:53:52,107
Speaker 16: the job.

975
00:53:52,187 --> 00:53:52,707
Speaker 19: He's terrific.

976
00:53:52,827 --> 00:53:55,027
Speaker 16: I'm pretty sure Ratchet will be number two and Darren

977
00:53:55,067 --> 00:53:58,587
Speaker 16: Mitchell three. Then it gets a little bit sketchy under that.

978
00:53:58,707 --> 00:54:01,627
Speaker 16: I think I had Glenn Phillips as high as number

979
00:54:01,707 --> 00:54:04,587
Speaker 16: four in my list, and look, I love watching Glenn

980
00:54:04,587 --> 00:54:08,587
Speaker 16: Phillips play cricket, but you know, if he's done before

981
00:54:08,627 --> 00:54:12,467
Speaker 16: on the last he hasn't got a Test century, it's

982
00:54:12,547 --> 00:54:16,347
Speaker 16: maybe it's a bit of a lolly scramble under number three.

983
00:54:16,987 --> 00:54:21,267
Speaker 16: And I didn't have Henry Nichols making my top twenty.

984
00:54:21,427 --> 00:54:23,707
Speaker 16: But I think he actually will. I think he probably

985
00:54:23,747 --> 00:54:27,587
Speaker 16: will scrape into it. I think guys like Ajaz Patel

986
00:54:27,667 --> 00:54:31,547
Speaker 16: and East Sody might be dreadfully unlucky. And you'll see

987
00:54:31,587 --> 00:54:36,227
Speaker 16: some of you guys on there, like Zach Cloaks, Muhammed A.

988
00:54:36,307 --> 00:54:36,627
Speaker 6: Bass.

989
00:54:36,907 --> 00:54:41,267
Speaker 16: I think, you know, probably Miss Reese, marry you. I'm

990
00:54:41,787 --> 00:54:44,187
Speaker 16: guessing a bit here, Piney and taking a few punts.

991
00:54:44,267 --> 00:54:46,387
Speaker 16: But that's probably the way I'm looking at it at

992
00:54:46,387 --> 00:54:46,747
Speaker 16: the moment.

993
00:54:47,067 --> 00:54:49,707
Speaker 2: Educated punts. There's always from you, Dylan. People can read

994
00:54:50,027 --> 00:54:53,187
Speaker 2: your full list if they subscribe to The Bounce. Always

995
00:54:53,267 --> 00:54:55,747
Speaker 2: love chatting cricket with you, mate, even if it is

996
00:54:55,867 --> 00:54:58,907
Speaker 2: now winter eve. I think winter officially starts tomorrow. But

997
00:54:58,987 --> 00:55:00,027
Speaker 2: always great any.

998
00:54:59,827 --> 00:55:02,507
Speaker 16: Cricket with you mate, Yeah you too, Piney, thank you, no.

999
00:55:02,587 --> 00:55:05,587
Speaker 2: Thank you mate. That is Dylan Cleaver. You can read him.

1000
00:55:06,107 --> 00:55:09,387
Speaker 2: He's got a subscribe a newsletter called The Bounce, which

1001
00:55:09,507 --> 00:55:15,027
Speaker 2: is to met tremendous, just terrific, really incisive sports writing

1002
00:55:15,467 --> 00:55:19,627
Speaker 2: drops into your email in box three or four times

1003
00:55:19,627 --> 00:55:23,267
Speaker 2: a week, depending on what's going on. I always love

1004
00:55:23,347 --> 00:55:26,387
Speaker 2: reading Dylan Cleaver's stuff The Bounce. If you want to subscribe,

1005
00:55:26,387 --> 00:55:29,587
Speaker 2: it's really cheap too, I must say cheap. The writing

1006
00:55:29,667 --> 00:55:32,827
Speaker 2: superb but it's you know, for what you get the Bounce,

1007
00:55:33,067 --> 00:55:36,947
Speaker 2: just google it subscribe. It's cracker. Oh eight hundred and

1008
00:55:36,987 --> 00:55:39,027
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty couple of things. So Gary Steed's not

1009
00:55:39,027 --> 00:55:43,547
Speaker 2: going to be coach anymore. I think that was probably expected.

1010
00:55:43,827 --> 00:55:46,867
Speaker 2: I thought they might look at splitting the role. I

1011
00:55:46,947 --> 00:55:48,947
Speaker 2: thought they might look at they'll read ball white ball thing,

1012
00:55:49,067 --> 00:55:52,267
Speaker 2: even if they don't commit to it forever. They don't

1013
00:55:52,307 --> 00:55:55,747
Speaker 2: have to England if chopped and changed. Remember speaking to

1014
00:55:56,067 --> 00:56:00,627
Speaker 2: Ali Martin earlier this season, the very fine cricket journalist

1015
00:56:01,307 --> 00:56:04,147
Speaker 2: from the UK, and chatting to me. He said, well,

1016
00:56:04,347 --> 00:56:06,827
Speaker 2: we had split coaches, then we met back, and then

1017
00:56:06,867 --> 00:56:08,947
Speaker 2: we went back again, and now Brinda mcallum was obviously

1018
00:56:08,947 --> 00:56:11,787
Speaker 2: in charge of all of them. I thought they might

1019
00:56:11,987 --> 00:56:15,267
Speaker 2: consider it, particularly given the fact that they might have

1020
00:56:15,387 --> 00:56:19,947
Speaker 2: wanted Gary Stead to continue as Red Bull coach. Whether

1021
00:56:20,067 --> 00:56:24,467
Speaker 2: that's you know that look that won't I'm sure be

1022
00:56:24,547 --> 00:56:26,947
Speaker 2: the reason why they haven't decided to split it that

1023
00:56:27,027 --> 00:56:28,707
Speaker 2: they wanted to get rid of Gary Stead. I'm pretty

1024
00:56:28,707 --> 00:56:31,547
Speaker 2: sure that's not part of this conversation. But they knew

1025
00:56:31,627 --> 00:56:35,027
Speaker 2: that by not splitting the roles that Gary Stead would

1026
00:56:35,027 --> 00:56:38,307
Speaker 2: effectively not be involved anymore because he wasn't interested in

1027
00:56:38,347 --> 00:56:40,467
Speaker 2: the white ball stuff. Said oh, Gary on and the

1028
00:56:40,507 --> 00:56:42,387
Speaker 2: red bull stuff, if that's what you decide, But I

1029
00:56:42,467 --> 00:56:45,547
Speaker 2: don't want to be all format coach anymore. By the

1030
00:56:45,587 --> 00:56:46,987
Speaker 2: sounds of things, they're going to go with an all

1031
00:56:47,027 --> 00:56:51,867
Speaker 2: format coach. Shane Bond Shane Jurgensen, Luke Ronkey and Rob

1032
00:56:51,947 --> 00:56:55,147
Speaker 2: Walter are the four names that are being widely reported

1033
00:56:55,187 --> 00:56:58,347
Speaker 2: as those on the short list. I was extremely surprised,

1034
00:56:58,427 --> 00:57:01,187
Speaker 2: like Dylan not to see Peter Fulton's name there. I

1035
00:57:01,267 --> 00:57:03,467
Speaker 2: think he's done a very good job and every coaching

1036
00:57:03,507 --> 00:57:08,787
Speaker 2: assignment he has been handed highly regarded, guarded around domestic cricket,

1037
00:57:08,867 --> 00:57:12,667
Speaker 2: particularly obviously in Canterbury where he does his work. I

1038
00:57:12,787 --> 00:57:15,387
Speaker 2: thought he might be a shout. I don't think he's

1039
00:57:15,387 --> 00:57:24,387
Speaker 2: any less credential than the others. Interesting that I at

1040
00:57:24,627 --> 00:57:27,507
Speaker 2: the black Caps coach is not really a coach as such. Right,

1041
00:57:27,907 --> 00:57:31,027
Speaker 2: They're not getting into the into the weeds, the nitty

1042
00:57:31,067 --> 00:57:35,147
Speaker 2: gritty of really coaching a good cover drive or how

1043
00:57:35,227 --> 00:57:38,027
Speaker 2: to bowl an off an off spinner or an outswinger

1044
00:57:38,067 --> 00:57:42,107
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. They are facilitators more than any

1045
00:57:42,147 --> 00:57:45,427
Speaker 2: other coach, I reckon. You look at the coaches of rugby, football,

1046
00:57:45,507 --> 00:57:48,787
Speaker 2: rugby league, just about every other sport and the coach

1047
00:57:49,067 --> 00:57:53,067
Speaker 2: is far far more to the four than they are

1048
00:57:53,147 --> 00:57:55,987
Speaker 2: in cricket. For cricket, it's the captain who runs the team.

1049
00:57:57,227 --> 00:58:00,707
Speaker 2: Came Williamson runs the team, Tom Latham runs the team,

1050
00:58:00,747 --> 00:58:04,027
Speaker 2: Mitchell Santner runs the team. The coach is more of

1051
00:58:04,107 --> 00:58:07,547
Speaker 2: a facilitator than an actual coach in the traditional sense

1052
00:58:07,587 --> 00:58:11,707
Speaker 2: of that word, doing any actual technical coaching. Yes, they

1053
00:58:11,747 --> 00:58:13,707
Speaker 2: are in the nets and they're pointing stuff out, but

1054
00:58:13,707 --> 00:58:17,387
Speaker 2: they can bring in specialists for that. So I guess

1055
00:58:17,427 --> 00:58:19,307
Speaker 2: what they have to decide is who is the best

1056
00:58:19,347 --> 00:58:24,267
Speaker 2: facilitator Shane Bond, Shane Jurgensen, Luke Ronkey or Rob Walter.

1057
00:58:25,067 --> 00:58:26,627
Speaker 2: I began to hear your thoughts on who you think

1058
00:58:26,667 --> 00:58:29,227
Speaker 2: it should be or anything around this conversation.

1059
00:58:29,427 --> 00:58:32,387
Speaker 9: Chris, Hi, Mate, Yeah, Hi, find you a nice little

1060
00:58:32,427 --> 00:58:35,147
Speaker 9: break amongst the Winter's code.

1061
00:58:36,427 --> 00:58:38,507
Speaker 2: A cricket in May, in June, it's Une seasonal.

1062
00:58:38,627 --> 00:58:41,867
Speaker 9: Yes, well there's going to be a World Test Championship starts.

1063
00:58:42,547 --> 00:58:46,627
Speaker 2: You're right and you're right, just three things.

1064
00:58:46,667 --> 00:58:50,147
Speaker 9: But one thing is ill steady. You know, whatever you

1065
00:58:50,187 --> 00:58:53,747
Speaker 9: say about conservatives or not, he has probably go down

1066
00:58:53,787 --> 00:58:56,867
Speaker 9: as their best sort of coach. I mean, I'll never concede.

1067
00:58:57,027 --> 00:58:58,987
Speaker 9: I mean he got a drawer in the World Cup final. Lord,

1068
00:58:59,067 --> 00:59:06,107
Speaker 9: I'll never concede. England won and if we'll have havn't

1069
00:59:06,147 --> 00:59:09,507
Speaker 9: changed the rules, he would have won. Henry Matt Henry

1070
00:59:09,867 --> 00:59:11,907
Speaker 9: had played in that Champions Final, we'd have won that.

1071
00:59:13,067 --> 00:59:17,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a pretty fair assumption. Look, I mean,

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00:59:17,547 --> 00:59:19,427
Speaker 2: you know you're right, Gary Stead. You look at the

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00:59:19,507 --> 00:59:22,187
Speaker 2: record that he leaves behind and it is the equal,

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00:59:22,267 --> 00:59:25,307
Speaker 2: if not better than any of his predecessors. And we

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00:59:25,387 --> 00:59:26,867
Speaker 2: hear a lot about Mike Hessen and what he did,

1076
00:59:26,947 --> 00:59:29,867
Speaker 2: and I think what Mike did as at the helm

1077
00:59:29,907 --> 00:59:33,347
Speaker 2: of the black Caps with with Brendan mcllum alongside, has

1078
00:59:33,467 --> 00:59:36,827
Speaker 2: dragged the team into into where they needed to be.

1079
00:59:37,107 --> 00:59:40,587
Speaker 2: But yeah, Gary Stead, you have to say has has

1080
00:59:40,667 --> 00:59:44,387
Speaker 2: overseen a period of sustained success, I mean, winning three

1081
00:59:44,547 --> 00:59:46,947
Speaker 2: nil in India unheard of, Chris.

1082
00:59:48,027 --> 00:59:48,187
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:59:48,227 --> 00:59:50,707
Speaker 9: And the other thing is, look, I'll go for Bondie

1084
00:59:51,027 --> 00:59:54,827
Speaker 9: because look, he turned or he helped turn sow the

1085
00:59:54,907 --> 00:59:59,467
Speaker 9: Bolton and Wagner into world class Test bowl as when

1086
00:59:59,547 --> 01:00:00,867
Speaker 9: he was bowling coach for back Cap.

1087
01:00:02,467 --> 01:00:06,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of like, Yeah, I like the idea

1088
01:00:06,187 --> 01:00:11,067
Speaker 2: of of Shane bond I also, yeah, none of them,

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01:00:11,107 --> 01:00:13,027
Speaker 2: none of them would be a rock star appointment, not

1090
01:00:13,147 --> 01:00:14,907
Speaker 2: that you need that, and Gary said has shown that.

1091
01:00:14,987 --> 01:00:17,307
Speaker 2: But for example, Chris, imagine if we were having a

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01:00:17,387 --> 01:00:20,907
Speaker 2: conversation and the people in the conversation were Brendan McCallum,

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01:00:20,987 --> 01:00:24,547
Speaker 2: Stephen Fleming and Daniel Vittori, that would pique my interest.

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01:00:25,667 --> 01:00:28,947
Speaker 9: I think it's I'd love to see Stephen Fleming apply.

1095
01:00:29,947 --> 01:00:31,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't. I just don't think he wants

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01:00:31,947 --> 01:00:33,427
Speaker 2: to do it. I mean he's got his chin, I

1097
01:00:33,547 --> 01:00:38,587
Speaker 2: get much money, yeah, and Daniel Vittorey the same with

1098
01:00:38,667 --> 01:00:39,787
Speaker 2: the gigs he's got going on.

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01:00:40,827 --> 01:00:40,947
Speaker 15: You know.

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01:00:41,067 --> 01:00:44,227
Speaker 2: Brendan mccallums obviously, Brenda McCullum's obviously all in with England

1101
01:00:44,707 --> 01:00:46,827
Speaker 2: and I'm sure they're paying him way more than we

1102
01:00:46,907 --> 01:00:50,667
Speaker 2: could afford. But imagine Brendan McCullum being our coach, you

1103
01:00:50,747 --> 01:00:52,787
Speaker 2: know what. I know that England have been a bit

1104
01:00:52,907 --> 01:00:56,147
Speaker 2: up and down, but just the intent with which they

1105
01:00:56,267 --> 01:00:59,587
Speaker 2: play and as I said before, as a facilitator of

1106
01:00:59,707 --> 01:01:02,907
Speaker 2: that style of cricket, Brendan McCallum has been He's been

1107
01:01:02,947 --> 01:01:04,267
Speaker 2: a game changer for England.

1108
01:01:06,747 --> 01:01:09,507
Speaker 9: I mean the thing is, if it's BONDI, you've got

1109
01:01:09,587 --> 01:01:13,827
Speaker 9: to have a good batting coach. Honestly, Luke Ronky, yeah,

1110
01:01:13,907 --> 01:01:16,307
Speaker 9: I think he's more. I suppose there's so much twenty

1111
01:01:16,347 --> 01:01:18,507
Speaker 9: twenty played, but I think he's more a twenty twenty coach.

1112
01:01:18,547 --> 01:01:21,147
Speaker 9: I don't believe he's a good test batting coach.

1113
01:01:22,227 --> 01:01:25,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess, well, I mean, I just don't

1114
01:01:25,547 --> 01:01:29,387
Speaker 2: think no, Yeah, and I guess also, you know, in

1115
01:01:29,507 --> 01:01:31,467
Speaker 2: the if you're looking pros and cons and the CON's

1116
01:01:31,507 --> 01:01:33,347
Speaker 2: column for Luke Ronky, he's never been a head coach.

1117
01:01:33,907 --> 01:01:35,827
Speaker 2: I don't think at any level. I don't think he's

1118
01:01:35,867 --> 01:01:37,667
Speaker 2: head coached a team. Not that that I mean, you've

1119
01:01:37,667 --> 01:01:39,307
Speaker 2: got to always start somewhere, but I'm not sure you

1120
01:01:39,387 --> 01:01:42,507
Speaker 2: start with the Black Apps. Shane Jergensen's had Rolesy his

1121
01:01:42,587 --> 01:01:45,627
Speaker 2: head coach of the Firebirds at the moment Wellington. Rob

1122
01:01:45,667 --> 01:01:47,667
Speaker 2: Walt has been a head coach. Shane Bond's been a

1123
01:01:48,347 --> 01:01:51,347
Speaker 2: head coach, I believe. But I think Shane Bond brings

1124
01:01:51,427 --> 01:01:53,027
Speaker 2: with him. Of all of the four of them, he's

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01:01:53,067 --> 01:01:57,787
Speaker 2: probably the one with the most you know, international name recognition. Again,

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01:01:57,947 --> 01:02:00,907
Speaker 2: is that important, I don't know. He seems like a

1127
01:02:01,027 --> 01:02:05,187
Speaker 2: very a guy who gets on with everybody, Shane Bond,

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01:02:05,227 --> 01:02:07,507
Speaker 2: which again is important, but then has to be able

1129
01:02:07,587 --> 01:02:10,987
Speaker 2: to I guess, you know, just to have the hard

1130
01:02:11,067 --> 01:02:15,467
Speaker 2: conversations if they are needed. Yeah, it'll be very interesting

1131
01:02:15,547 --> 01:02:16,347
Speaker 2: to see which way they.

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01:02:16,347 --> 01:02:20,347
Speaker 9: Go yeah, oh good good anyway, good good, good topic.

1133
01:02:20,387 --> 01:02:23,147
Speaker 9: And I've all subscribed to doing Cleaver's bounce. I've never

1134
01:02:23,187 --> 01:02:23,467
Speaker 9: heard of it.

1135
01:02:23,547 --> 01:02:27,147
Speaker 2: So Chris, I reckon you love it. I reckon you'll

1136
01:02:27,147 --> 01:02:29,227
Speaker 2: love it. If you enjoy listening to Dylan Clever, which

1137
01:02:29,267 --> 01:02:32,787
Speaker 2: I always do, you'll enjoy reading his writing. He's award winning.

1138
01:02:33,027 --> 01:02:35,667
Speaker 2: I don't know where he keeps all his awards, Dylan Clever,

1139
01:02:36,067 --> 01:02:38,787
Speaker 2: He's won so many. Thanks Chris, good to chat. I

1140
01:02:38,907 --> 01:02:43,987
Speaker 2: vote for Shane Bond says this text. Rob Walter didn't

1141
01:02:44,027 --> 01:02:45,907
Speaker 2: do a great job with South Africa. They have so

1142
01:02:46,027 --> 01:02:48,107
Speaker 2: much talent, way more than us, but they were average

1143
01:02:48,107 --> 01:02:51,787
Speaker 2: at the Champions Trophy. Peter says Glenn Pocknell would be

1144
01:02:51,827 --> 01:02:54,667
Speaker 2: a superb appointment for the high performance role. Yeah, Glenn

1145
01:02:54,747 --> 01:02:57,187
Speaker 2: Popnell has an interesting shout. Actually, it's got plenty of

1146
01:02:57,227 --> 01:03:01,467
Speaker 2: domestic experience. Brian Stronick, as Dylan Cleaver, said Brian Stronick,

1147
01:03:01,667 --> 01:03:03,427
Speaker 2: I don't think you know a lot of cricket fans

1148
01:03:03,627 --> 01:03:05,987
Speaker 2: could pick him out of a lineup, and I think

1149
01:03:06,027 --> 01:03:07,987
Speaker 2: that's the way he wanted it. I don't think Brian

1150
01:03:08,027 --> 01:03:10,827
Speaker 2: Stronik wanted to be fronts and center. He just kept

1151
01:03:10,907 --> 01:03:13,147
Speaker 2: things ticking away in the background to make sure that

1152
01:03:13,787 --> 01:03:17,187
Speaker 2: the high performance program was delivering the results that New

1153
01:03:17,307 --> 01:03:20,867
Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket wanted. It's not a not a high profile

1154
01:03:21,547 --> 01:03:24,587
Speaker 2: out there doing interviews every week kind of job. And

1155
01:03:24,707 --> 01:03:29,467
Speaker 2: Glenn Pote was a very very clever cricket coach, said time,

1156
01:03:29,507 --> 01:03:35,227
Speaker 2: and Wellington CD a good cricket man. Peter, that's not

1157
01:03:35,307 --> 01:03:39,267
Speaker 2: a bad shout. Marx says, I've heard Rob Walters locked in.

1158
01:03:39,427 --> 01:03:42,027
Speaker 2: God on you Mark because the jungle drums are beating.

1159
01:03:42,747 --> 01:03:45,627
Speaker 2: They always seem to one twenty nine if you want

1160
01:03:45,667 --> 01:03:48,067
Speaker 2: to talk some cricket. I know it's may going into June,

1161
01:03:48,067 --> 01:03:49,747
Speaker 2: but we can always do it at eight hundred and

1162
01:03:49,787 --> 01:03:52,307
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. Like I said, I would have love

1163
01:03:52,387 --> 01:03:54,987
Speaker 2: for this to you know, you look at like I mean,

1164
01:03:54,987 --> 01:03:57,147
Speaker 2: it's a pipe dream, right, Brenda McCallum's not coming back

1165
01:03:57,187 --> 01:03:59,467
Speaker 2: anytime soon, but imagine if he was our coach, or

1166
01:03:59,547 --> 01:04:04,187
Speaker 2: Ry or flem Stephen Fleming, Daniel for Tory guys who

1167
01:04:04,227 --> 01:04:06,987
Speaker 2: I think you know get the black Cat app Shane

1168
01:04:07,027 --> 01:04:09,347
Speaker 2: Bond does too, of course, And you don't have to

1169
01:04:09,387 --> 01:04:12,067
Speaker 2: have warn it, Luke Ronki, you don't have to have

1170
01:04:12,187 --> 01:04:15,107
Speaker 2: warn it Gary Stead, you know, played test matches for US,

1171
01:04:16,187 --> 01:04:19,107
Speaker 2: Mike Hesson never played, never played cricket for New Zealand.

1172
01:04:19,907 --> 01:04:26,427
Speaker 2: It's not absolutely vital, but you know, I don't know.

1173
01:04:26,787 --> 01:04:29,187
Speaker 2: It just feels as though if if it announcement came

1174
01:04:29,227 --> 01:04:31,947
Speaker 2: out Stephen Fleming's the new Black Gaps coach, that would

1175
01:04:31,947 --> 01:04:35,747
Speaker 2: automatically chuck that into the onto the the front of

1176
01:04:35,787 --> 01:04:38,987
Speaker 2: the sports Bolletan's, the back page of the paper, the

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01:04:39,107 --> 01:04:45,347
Speaker 2: front of every sports website. That would be a rock

1178
01:04:45,387 --> 01:04:49,027
Speaker 2: star appointment, if we can call it that. I don't

1179
01:04:49,067 --> 01:04:52,427
Speaker 2: reckon he wants the job, though, one thirty back in

1180
01:04:52,467 --> 01:04:52,947
Speaker 2: a moment.

1181
01:04:53,667 --> 01:04:57,187
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1184
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Speaker 2: News Talks B. Just on timings of when these appointments

1185
01:05:08,787 --> 01:05:13,827
Speaker 2: are expected to be made, Dylan Cleaver expects that these

1186
01:05:13,867 --> 01:05:17,507
Speaker 2: appointments black Caps head coach and head of High Performance

1187
01:05:18,987 --> 01:05:21,707
Speaker 2: are going to be announced. The coach expected to be

1188
01:05:21,827 --> 01:05:24,187
Speaker 2: unveiled at the end of the week, so the end

1189
01:05:24,227 --> 01:05:26,107
Speaker 2: of this current week will know who the new black

1190
01:05:26,147 --> 01:05:30,107
Speaker 2: Caps coach is and the high performance the head of

1191
01:05:30,187 --> 01:05:32,867
Speaker 2: High Performance in the middle of this coming week. But

1192
01:05:33,027 --> 01:05:35,107
Speaker 2: before any of that, New Zealand Cricket going to announce

1193
01:05:36,107 --> 01:05:42,707
Speaker 2: their twenty centrally contracted men's players. So this is the

1194
01:05:42,747 --> 01:05:45,547
Speaker 2: list you know that comes out every year of the

1195
01:05:45,587 --> 01:05:47,787
Speaker 2: players who are centrally contracted. I think we all understand

1196
01:05:47,827 --> 01:05:49,747
Speaker 2: what this is. I wish they would rank them. I

1197
01:05:49,747 --> 01:05:52,307
Speaker 2: think they do in Australia. I think when they release

1198
01:05:52,347 --> 01:05:57,267
Speaker 2: the list in Australia they list, they released the rankings,

1199
01:05:59,267 --> 01:06:01,387
Speaker 2: and the rankings mean, you know, obviously the highest paid

1200
01:06:01,547 --> 01:06:05,427
Speaker 2: top and then down to the twentieth paid at twentieth.

1201
01:06:06,347 --> 01:06:08,827
Speaker 2: When they release the list of players over here where

1202
01:06:08,907 --> 01:06:11,467
Speaker 2: sort of, I guess it's quite fun to try and

1203
01:06:11,507 --> 01:06:14,587
Speaker 2: put it into an order yourself. As Dylan Clever was saying,

1204
01:06:14,587 --> 01:06:17,467
Speaker 2: it would be a huge surprise if we hypothetically think

1205
01:06:17,507 --> 01:06:19,547
Speaker 2: of the list, it would be a huge surprise of

1206
01:06:19,587 --> 01:06:23,347
Speaker 2: Matt Henry was at number one. It's usually the captain

1207
01:06:24,467 --> 01:06:26,427
Speaker 2: and obviously we have split captains at the moment with

1208
01:06:26,507 --> 01:06:29,347
Speaker 2: Mitchell Santner for the white ball stuff, Tom Latham in

1209
01:06:29,427 --> 01:06:31,467
Speaker 2: test matches. It's been Kine I think, you know, ever

1210
01:06:31,547 --> 01:06:34,787
Speaker 2: since he's been in and around, but I think Matt Henry,

1211
01:06:35,667 --> 01:06:40,147
Speaker 2: by every measure across formats, deserves his place at the

1212
01:06:40,187 --> 01:06:45,067
Speaker 2: top of this list. The others in Dylan Cleaver's top five,

1213
01:06:45,147 --> 01:06:48,427
Speaker 2: and I take on board everything he says Rich and Ravendra,

1214
01:06:48,667 --> 01:06:52,387
Speaker 2: Darryl Mitchell, Glenn Phillips and Mitchell Santner. That sounds about right,

1215
01:06:52,467 --> 01:06:54,667
Speaker 2: doesn't it? As your top five? As you work your

1216
01:06:54,707 --> 01:06:57,067
Speaker 2: way down you start to get to players who I

1217
01:06:57,147 --> 01:07:00,067
Speaker 2: guess don't have a huge amount of international experience of

1218
01:07:00,147 --> 01:07:05,307
Speaker 2: any but have been picked for promise more than anything.

1219
01:07:06,387 --> 01:07:11,267
Speaker 2: Mhammed a bas hugely exciting talent out of Wellington, Rheese

1220
01:07:11,347 --> 01:07:17,227
Speaker 2: Martyou the Canterbury Opener, others like Zach Folks, Mitch Hay

1221
01:07:17,307 --> 01:07:21,427
Speaker 2: who had a bit of cricket last summer, Ben Sears,

1222
01:07:21,467 --> 01:07:24,667
Speaker 2: who I guess you could still call relatively young in

1223
01:07:24,747 --> 01:07:27,827
Speaker 2: an international sense. And then sprinkled in amongst all of

1224
01:07:27,907 --> 01:07:32,187
Speaker 2: those the players who will feature across formats and who

1225
01:07:32,187 --> 01:07:33,987
Speaker 2: have earn't the right to be in this conversation, the

1226
01:07:34,147 --> 01:07:37,947
Speaker 2: likes of will ow' rourke, Kyle Jamison, Tom Latham, will Young,

1227
01:07:38,747 --> 01:07:44,547
Speaker 2: Mark Chapman, Michael brace Well. Those sorts of players. Texts

1228
01:07:44,547 --> 01:07:48,107
Speaker 2: are here from Dave in any position, you try to

1229
01:07:48,187 --> 01:07:50,427
Speaker 2: leave the role in a better state than you started with,

1230
01:07:50,867 --> 01:07:54,467
Speaker 2: which I feel Gary Stead has achieved. I say this

1231
01:07:54,587 --> 01:07:56,747
Speaker 2: by looking at all the unknown names who have been

1232
01:07:56,787 --> 01:08:01,667
Speaker 2: selected and performed during this year alone. Twelve to eighteen

1233
01:08:01,707 --> 01:08:04,347
Speaker 2: months ago, we didn't think Southy, Bolt and Wagner could

1234
01:08:04,347 --> 01:08:08,027
Speaker 2: be replaced next minute, Yes they were, and with players

1235
01:08:08,067 --> 01:08:10,147
Speaker 2: performing above expectations. Thanks Dave.

1236
01:08:10,867 --> 01:08:11,067
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1237
01:08:11,267 --> 01:08:15,147
Speaker 2: I think if there was ever a criticism, or if

1238
01:08:15,187 --> 01:08:17,107
Speaker 2: there was a criticism of Gary Stead, it was often

1239
01:08:17,187 --> 01:08:22,067
Speaker 2: that he was too conservative in his selections, that he

1240
01:08:23,027 --> 01:08:27,307
Speaker 2: stuck with what he knew, and there was a perceived

1241
01:08:27,387 --> 01:08:31,027
Speaker 2: reluctance to blood too many young players. But Dave's right.

1242
01:08:31,587 --> 01:08:32,947
Speaker 2: You look at the players who have come through and

1243
01:08:32,947 --> 01:08:37,347
Speaker 2: I've just named a few of them. In Australia, it's

1244
01:08:37,347 --> 01:08:38,947
Speaker 2: always been the way that you have to get a

1245
01:08:39,067 --> 01:08:41,267
Speaker 2: lot of runs on the board or wickets on the

1246
01:08:41,307 --> 01:08:43,787
Speaker 2: board and domestic cricket before you even start knocking on

1247
01:08:43,867 --> 01:08:47,787
Speaker 2: the door of the Australian side. There have been a

1248
01:08:47,827 --> 01:08:51,307
Speaker 2: few exceptions to that in recent times, but usually you

1249
01:08:51,427 --> 01:08:54,227
Speaker 2: have to do a lot of a lot of work

1250
01:08:54,507 --> 01:08:57,547
Speaker 2: at first class level before you're even considered for the

1251
01:08:57,627 --> 01:09:00,827
Speaker 2: national side, and What you get then is players coming

1252
01:09:00,867 --> 01:09:04,907
Speaker 2: into the international arena with plenty of experience. And I

1253
01:09:04,987 --> 01:09:09,707
Speaker 2: think you're right, Dave. That's happened because the top side

1254
01:09:09,747 --> 01:09:14,547
Speaker 2: has been so consistently selected. A lot of those players

1255
01:09:14,587 --> 01:09:17,267
Speaker 2: who might perhaps have been given opportunities and there was

1256
01:09:17,307 --> 01:09:20,107
Speaker 2: a clamor for those players to be given opportunities, have

1257
01:09:20,267 --> 01:09:22,947
Speaker 2: had to make do with domestic cricket and have therefore

1258
01:09:23,027 --> 01:09:27,387
Speaker 2: played a lot of it, and when they are promoted

1259
01:09:27,427 --> 01:09:30,947
Speaker 2: into the national side, they do well. Jacob Duffy is

1260
01:09:30,987 --> 01:09:34,707
Speaker 2: a perfect example of that. He had to sort of

1261
01:09:35,627 --> 01:09:39,467
Speaker 2: toil away for Otago because there were others ahead of

1262
01:09:39,507 --> 01:09:41,627
Speaker 2: him in the queue, and he's still not a guaranteed selection.

1263
01:09:42,427 --> 01:09:44,227
Speaker 2: I think he's a very very good white ball bowl

1264
01:09:44,267 --> 01:09:46,427
Speaker 2: or in may Whell Bowl, you know, for several seasons

1265
01:09:46,467 --> 01:09:48,507
Speaker 2: for us in the white ball stuff. But he's had

1266
01:09:48,507 --> 01:09:52,467
Speaker 2: to wait. He's had to bide his time because others

1267
01:09:52,827 --> 01:09:56,547
Speaker 2: ahead of him were selected for the black Caps instead.

1268
01:09:57,987 --> 01:10:01,587
Speaker 2: And it's not as though those players who were selected

1269
01:10:01,667 --> 01:10:03,907
Speaker 2: year after year didn't do the job. You don't have

1270
01:10:03,987 --> 01:10:06,907
Speaker 2: to look back at that three nil series in at

1271
01:10:06,907 --> 01:10:10,387
Speaker 2: the back end of last year and the pliers upon

1272
01:10:10,507 --> 01:10:13,267
Speaker 2: which that was built and the contributions across the board

1273
01:10:15,507 --> 01:10:19,827
Speaker 2: to see that. Very interested to see what the next

1274
01:10:19,867 --> 01:10:23,467
Speaker 2: little period in New Zealand cricket looks like, just before

1275
01:10:23,507 --> 01:10:25,027
Speaker 2: we go to a break and get across the taskment

1276
01:10:25,027 --> 01:10:29,547
Speaker 2: to Adam Peacock. Liam Lawson has recorded two top ten

1277
01:10:29,627 --> 01:10:34,307
Speaker 2: finishes in practice at the Spanish Grand Prix. He was

1278
01:10:34,427 --> 01:10:38,147
Speaker 2: sixth in practice one and tenth in practice two. Here

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01:10:38,187 --> 01:10:40,867
Speaker 2: are some of his brief thought following practice.

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Speaker 8: Liam, that looked like a good day on the time sheets.

1281
01:10:43,827 --> 01:10:44,747
Speaker 14: Was it a good day in the car?

1282
01:10:46,147 --> 01:10:46,587
Speaker 1: I think so.

1283
01:10:46,747 --> 01:10:48,787
Speaker 20: I think it's positive. It's a good start to the weekends.

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01:10:49,627 --> 01:10:50,587
Speaker 20: I think it's a good base.

1285
01:10:51,907 --> 01:10:52,467
Speaker 2: It's a built on.

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Speaker 20: But obviously tomorrow is really what counts tomorrow afternoon, so

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01:10:56,987 --> 01:10:59,787
Speaker 20: we'll obviously keep working on. I'd improve in the car.

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Speaker 8: Everybody's chasing it.

1289
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Speaker 20: I think everybody's car is probably a little bit further

1290
01:11:03,587 --> 01:11:05,187
Speaker 20: away at the start of P one because of the

1291
01:11:05,467 --> 01:11:08,627
Speaker 20: new front wing and we're slowly chasing the balance.

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01:11:08,907 --> 01:11:10,987
Speaker 14: Did you feel a big difference in your car this weekend?

1293
01:11:12,027 --> 01:11:12,827
Speaker 8: Definitely a difference.

1294
01:11:12,907 --> 01:11:15,347
Speaker 20: You definitely feel the difference I think for everybody, for

1295
01:11:15,427 --> 01:11:18,107
Speaker 20: every team is different. So for us, I hon to

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01:11:18,147 --> 01:11:19,507
Speaker 20: see our car is in a good place right now,

1297
01:11:20,547 --> 01:11:22,507
Speaker 20: but obviously we expect everybody to keep improving.

1298
01:11:23,067 --> 01:11:25,507
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson just starting to get the hang of this.

1299
01:11:25,947 --> 01:11:28,987
Speaker 2: Your fancy sixth in practice, one, tenth in practice two,

1300
01:11:29,027 --> 01:11:32,067
Speaker 2: as he said, though, doesn't actually mean anything until qualifying,

1301
01:11:32,147 --> 01:11:35,347
Speaker 2: but it's a good springboard from which to bounce. Two

1302
01:11:35,387 --> 01:11:40,027
Speaker 2: o'clock tomorrow morning qualifying and then the race itself is

1303
01:11:40,067 --> 01:11:44,147
Speaker 2: at one o'clock on Monday morning, New Zealand time in Barcelona,

1304
01:11:44,827 --> 01:11:46,707
Speaker 2: so on the Shadowmorrow we'll be able to talk in

1305
01:11:47,067 --> 01:11:49,227
Speaker 2: more specific terms about where he is on the grid.

1306
01:11:49,787 --> 01:11:53,147
Speaker 2: I need to check the racecourse at Barcelona in terms

1307
01:11:53,187 --> 01:11:55,747
Speaker 2: of what passing is like. We know at the Monaco

1308
01:11:55,827 --> 01:12:00,067
Speaker 2: Grand Prix you basically weren't able to and Liam Lawson

1309
01:12:00,267 --> 01:12:02,507
Speaker 2: achieving his best result of the season and picking up

1310
01:12:02,507 --> 01:12:04,827
Speaker 2: points for the first time with an eighth place finished

1311
01:12:04,827 --> 01:12:08,227
Speaker 2: there challenge from this weekend, I can only presume that

1312
01:12:08,307 --> 01:12:11,187
Speaker 2: Barcelona is a lot easier to pass on. Certainly can't

1313
01:12:11,187 --> 01:12:13,627
Speaker 2: be any harder. So we might find out a bit

1314
01:12:13,667 --> 01:12:17,587
Speaker 2: more about Liam at the Spanish Grand Prix, but qualifying

1315
01:12:17,787 --> 01:12:20,707
Speaker 2: overnight tonight for a grid position, and then the race

1316
01:12:20,747 --> 01:12:24,827
Speaker 2: itself in the early hours of Monday morning twenty to two,

1317
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Speaker 2: when we come back across the Tasman Adam Peacock, our

1318
01:12:27,707 --> 01:12:31,747
Speaker 2: Australian correspondent, the big issues on and.

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Speaker 1: After Fields Call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends

1320
01:12:35,467 --> 01:12:36,667
Speaker 1: Forward with Jason.

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01:12:36,427 --> 01:12:37,467
Speaker 12: Fain and GJ.

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Speaker 1: Gunner Homes New Zealand's most trusted home builder News talks

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Speaker 1: at Baby.

1324
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Speaker 2: Coming up sixteen to two. Got Tim Soudy on the

1325
01:12:43,947 --> 01:12:46,347
Speaker 2: radio after two o'clock, continuing the cricket theme. He's in

1326
01:12:46,387 --> 01:12:48,267
Speaker 2: the UK at the moment, of course as a specialist

1327
01:12:48,307 --> 01:12:52,227
Speaker 2: skills coach with the aforementioned Brenda Mcallums England site. Looking

1328
01:12:52,267 --> 01:12:54,707
Speaker 2: forward to catching up with Tim Soudy after two. But

1329
01:12:54,787 --> 01:12:58,067
Speaker 2: let's get you across the Tasman. Our regular Saturday catch

1330
01:12:58,147 --> 01:13:01,227
Speaker 2: up with our Australian correspondent, Adam Peacock. Adam, good to

1331
01:13:01,307 --> 01:13:03,387
Speaker 2: chat as always. Can we start the State of origin?

1332
01:13:03,667 --> 01:13:06,147
Speaker 2: First game Wednesday night, New South Wales getting it done

1333
01:13:06,347 --> 01:13:10,187
Speaker 2: eighteen six at some corp. Well when you South Wales

1334
01:13:10,267 --> 01:13:13,227
Speaker 2: good or all? Were Queensland just not very good?

1335
01:13:15,147 --> 01:13:15,347
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1336
01:13:15,387 --> 01:13:19,347
Speaker 6: But of both Pliny good afternoon. Yeah. It was a

1337
01:13:19,667 --> 01:13:22,387
Speaker 6: frustrating game because I thought at half time I thought, okay,

1338
01:13:22,547 --> 01:13:25,507
Speaker 6: this just set it up nicely. There a ripper and

1339
01:13:25,987 --> 01:13:29,547
Speaker 6: Brian dol Got Sinbin just gone the custod half time,

1340
01:13:29,667 --> 01:13:32,907
Speaker 6: so it kind of brought theoretically brought Queensland back into

1341
01:13:32,947 --> 01:13:37,267
Speaker 6: it fourteen two and then we just fizzled the second half.

1342
01:13:37,307 --> 01:13:41,027
Speaker 6: It just became a game of errors and frustration out

1343
01:13:41,067 --> 01:13:44,947
Speaker 6: of sink both sides. New South Wales were fantastic defensively

1344
01:13:46,107 --> 01:13:49,587
Speaker 6: when asked the question, So yeah, it wasn't by no

1345
01:13:49,707 --> 01:13:51,827
Speaker 6: means the classic people. That's the worst origin I've ever

1346
01:13:51,867 --> 01:13:54,667
Speaker 6: seen it. That's the thing as bad origin, there's there's

1347
01:13:54,667 --> 01:13:57,187
Speaker 6: still high quality stuff and the New South Wales were

1348
01:13:57,227 --> 01:13:59,067
Speaker 6: good in that first half, which meant they were good

1349
01:13:59,147 --> 01:13:59,707
Speaker 6: enough overall.

1350
01:13:59,867 --> 01:14:01,947
Speaker 2: You shouldn't lose your home games, really should you? I mean,

1351
01:14:01,947 --> 01:14:03,867
Speaker 2: I know you do it. It's origin. Anything can happen,

1352
01:14:03,987 --> 01:14:07,347
Speaker 2: but it's it's uphill from here for Queensland, isn't it.

1353
01:14:08,067 --> 01:14:12,667
Speaker 6: Yeah, like losing you serve in tennis. It's not ideal.

1354
01:14:12,867 --> 01:14:16,627
Speaker 6: So yeah, they go to Perth now and Queensland actually

1355
01:14:16,627 --> 01:14:20,427
Speaker 6: have a horrible record in Perth, but just yeah, they've

1356
01:14:20,467 --> 01:14:22,267
Speaker 6: been blown away a couple of times, buying New South

1357
01:14:22,267 --> 01:14:27,947
Speaker 6: Wales of late but you know, it's funny Queensland we're

1358
01:14:28,027 --> 01:14:31,507
Speaker 6: just way off, but they're on paper they're attacking players

1359
01:14:33,347 --> 01:14:36,947
Speaker 6: probably match New South Wales. It's just through the middle

1360
01:14:37,387 --> 01:14:39,627
Speaker 6: that they got blind apartment. This has happened now in

1361
01:14:39,787 --> 01:14:42,467
Speaker 6: four origins in a row, including the game last year

1362
01:14:42,467 --> 01:14:46,147
Speaker 6: where Joseph s Lee got sent off that New South

1363
01:14:46,187 --> 01:14:49,267
Speaker 6: Wales had dominated through the middle with the big fellas

1364
01:14:49,347 --> 01:14:53,427
Speaker 6: and it's all starting with the wingers and Lomacs Old

1365
01:14:53,427 --> 01:14:57,227
Speaker 6: the other night were fantastic in those early yardage battles

1366
01:14:57,307 --> 01:15:01,107
Speaker 6: up early in depth. So yeah, that's the problem for Queensland.

1367
01:15:01,147 --> 01:15:02,707
Speaker 6: How do you stop the tide? And at the moment

1368
01:15:02,787 --> 01:15:04,787
Speaker 6: it's hard to see how they do that. They just.

1369
01:15:06,347 --> 01:15:09,027
Speaker 21: It's not like they got five forwards that sat out

1370
01:15:09,067 --> 01:15:10,587
Speaker 21: the game the other night and they can bring them

1371
01:15:10,627 --> 01:15:13,507
Speaker 21: all back in the gang two. It's a real real

1372
01:15:13,587 --> 01:15:15,427
Speaker 21: problem for Billy Slater to solve now.

1373
01:15:15,507 --> 01:15:18,907
Speaker 2: Sticking with rugby leg Phil Gould has been on the

1374
01:15:18,947 --> 01:15:20,547
Speaker 2: headlines this week, Can you tell us about this?

1375
01:15:21,667 --> 01:15:22,187
Speaker 7: Yeah, so.

1376
01:15:23,987 --> 01:15:26,227
Speaker 6: I'd consider him a mate as well. Michael chammis the

1377
01:15:26,307 --> 01:15:30,227
Speaker 6: journalist from the Sending Mining Herald who's probably he's probably

1378
01:15:30,267 --> 01:15:32,267
Speaker 6: the main Lee journal at the moment in terms of

1379
01:15:32,347 --> 01:15:35,427
Speaker 6: breaking stories and the death gives the stories as well.

1380
01:15:35,547 --> 01:15:39,267
Speaker 6: And couple that he's a bloody good fella. And I'm

1381
01:15:39,307 --> 01:15:41,267
Speaker 6: not saying that Phil will This is a good fellow.

1382
01:15:41,267 --> 01:15:44,627
Speaker 6: I don't know him, but he's highly respected in my

1383
01:15:44,747 --> 01:15:47,347
Speaker 6: eyes for his time in regular leg But he's polarizing

1384
01:15:47,427 --> 01:15:49,907
Speaker 6: because Guss has two hats. He's got the hat the

1385
01:15:50,027 --> 01:15:52,227
Speaker 6: GM of the Bulldogs and he's got the hat of

1386
01:15:52,307 --> 01:15:56,947
Speaker 6: the channel line analysts and vocal critic of things that

1387
01:15:57,027 --> 01:15:59,787
Speaker 6: he doesn't like, which is fine because he's bloody good

1388
01:15:59,787 --> 01:16:00,307
Speaker 6: on television.

1389
01:16:00,347 --> 01:16:02,707
Speaker 21: Gust because he gets you're thinking, and he's obviously bloody

1390
01:16:02,707 --> 01:16:04,387
Speaker 21: good as a GM and Bulldogs because have a look

1391
01:16:04,427 --> 01:16:06,067
Speaker 21: at where they are and the latter compared to three

1392
01:16:06,147 --> 01:16:09,707
Speaker 21: years ago. So the problem is around this Lucky Galvin thing.

1393
01:16:10,467 --> 01:16:13,467
Speaker 21: So about a month ago, when Lucky Galvin became available

1394
01:16:13,907 --> 01:16:16,427
Speaker 21: or look like he's going to become available, Custos on

1395
01:16:16,507 --> 01:16:19,267
Speaker 21: TV saying at this point in time, we're not interested,

1396
01:16:19,467 --> 01:16:22,107
Speaker 21: and now apparently because Locke Alvin was allowed to release

1397
01:16:22,547 --> 01:16:26,267
Speaker 21: it all changed and basically the media doesn't feel like

1398
01:16:26,347 --> 01:16:28,827
Speaker 21: it likes being lied to sometimes And it's not that

1399
01:16:28,947 --> 01:16:31,427
Speaker 21: Michael Chambers was saying that I feel hard done by

1400
01:16:31,427 --> 01:16:33,227
Speaker 21: the word being my too some generated that way.

1401
01:16:33,387 --> 01:16:36,027
Speaker 6: Chammy doesn't. It's more to the point where Chammy is

1402
01:16:36,067 --> 01:16:38,747
Speaker 6: relentless in trying to get the actual truth and sometimes

1403
01:16:38,867 --> 01:16:40,987
Speaker 6: Gas doesn't like that. Yeah, it all blew up on

1404
01:16:41,067 --> 01:16:43,627
Speaker 6: television and it was actually more compelling viewing in many

1405
01:16:43,827 --> 01:16:47,227
Speaker 6: respects than Origin this week. So it was a good

1406
01:16:47,227 --> 01:16:49,707
Speaker 6: old fashioned TV Barney. And I'm sure you've seen a

1407
01:16:49,707 --> 01:16:51,427
Speaker 6: few of those in your time over there, Poney, with

1408
01:16:52,387 --> 01:16:55,187
Speaker 6: various sports, and this was certainly the case this week.

1409
01:16:55,347 --> 01:16:57,507
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I was good stout. All right, let's go

1410
01:16:57,587 --> 01:16:59,787
Speaker 2: to the A League Men's final. We were hoping, of

1411
01:16:59,827 --> 01:17:01,347
Speaker 2: course it would be on the side of the Tasman

1412
01:17:01,467 --> 01:17:04,267
Speaker 2: AUKLANDFC not getting the job done last week. Melbourne victory

1413
01:17:04,587 --> 01:17:07,627
Speaker 2: Melbourne's s Yeah, I mean, I know, Look they're not

1414
01:17:07,707 --> 01:17:13,547
Speaker 2: my team, I think so. Look, I think they're still

1415
01:17:14,147 --> 01:17:15,947
Speaker 2: I think I don't think they'll ever be over whether

1416
01:17:16,027 --> 01:17:18,467
Speaker 2: that ball went out or not. This seems to be

1417
01:17:18,627 --> 01:17:21,947
Speaker 2: very much divided opinion on that. But victory. You have

1418
01:17:22,107 --> 01:17:23,947
Speaker 2: to give it to them. You know, they know how

1419
01:17:23,987 --> 01:17:27,307
Speaker 2: to play finals football. I'd have them favorites tonight against

1420
01:17:27,307 --> 01:17:28,227
Speaker 2: Melbourne City would you.

1421
01:17:29,107 --> 01:17:32,667
Speaker 6: Yeah, just for their ability in these big games, and

1422
01:17:32,707 --> 01:17:34,827
Speaker 6: I may mention it last week, did they have the

1423
01:17:34,867 --> 01:17:37,947
Speaker 6: fact that you just Victory have the ability in a

1424
01:17:37,987 --> 01:17:40,987
Speaker 6: big game, even without the ball to cause damage because

1425
01:17:41,547 --> 01:17:44,627
Speaker 6: they've got strike players And in those five mad five

1426
01:17:44,667 --> 01:17:47,187
Speaker 6: minutes last week and early in that second half that

1427
01:17:47,387 --> 01:17:48,987
Speaker 6: was the case. They just went pop pop and it

1428
01:17:49,067 --> 01:17:52,787
Speaker 6: was like oh goodness. And Awkland after that obviously had

1429
01:17:52,827 --> 01:17:54,987
Speaker 6: all the running but they couldn't do anything about it.

1430
01:17:55,547 --> 01:17:58,627
Speaker 6: They know, Trevor Chapel, the referee missed that ball going

1431
01:17:58,667 --> 01:17:59,467
Speaker 6: over the byline, but.

1432
01:18:02,907 --> 01:18:07,187
Speaker 21: It was it was Yeah, it wasn't rising what Victory

1433
01:18:07,227 --> 01:18:08,987
Speaker 21: were able to do and it wouldn't surprise me if

1434
01:18:08,987 --> 01:18:09,227
Speaker 21: they do.

1435
01:18:09,307 --> 01:18:12,867
Speaker 6: It again tonight. Great occasion. I think gets sold out

1436
01:18:12,907 --> 01:18:15,747
Speaker 6: in five minutes flat down in Melbourne. It's unreal. It's

1437
01:18:15,747 --> 01:18:18,027
Speaker 6: going to be pumping. I love background when it's full.

1438
01:18:18,187 --> 01:18:21,227
Speaker 6: Amy Park, Yeah, I'm with you. Pine. He probably victory

1439
01:18:21,787 --> 01:18:25,347
Speaker 6: just like the city that you've watched him a few

1440
01:18:25,387 --> 01:18:27,347
Speaker 6: times this year obviously with your own eyes live and

1441
01:18:27,427 --> 01:18:28,867
Speaker 6: that's how you really get a good judge of it.

1442
01:18:29,467 --> 01:18:31,187
Speaker 6: And they've done well to get this far because they

1443
01:18:31,267 --> 01:18:34,227
Speaker 6: don't have the big stars of the year's past today

1444
01:18:34,307 --> 01:18:36,667
Speaker 6: and the big Australian stars that they've sold most of them.

1445
01:18:36,667 --> 01:18:37,547
Speaker 6: They've got a bunch of kids.

1446
01:18:37,707 --> 01:18:41,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I'm like you. I love Amy Park

1447
01:18:41,427 --> 01:18:43,827
Speaker 2: as a venue rectangular as you say, when it's full,

1448
01:18:44,387 --> 01:18:46,227
Speaker 2: brilliant place to watch the game of fourball. So yeah,

1449
01:18:46,227 --> 01:18:48,307
Speaker 2: we'll be having our eyes on it over here tonight

1450
01:18:48,387 --> 01:18:50,587
Speaker 2: without a shadow of a doubt. Hey, can we finish it?

1451
01:18:50,907 --> 01:18:54,827
Speaker 2: Roland Garross French Tennis Open. I see alex See Populin

1452
01:18:54,987 --> 01:18:59,027
Speaker 2: is into the fourth round, beating Nuno Borges in straight

1453
01:18:59,107 --> 01:19:02,467
Speaker 2: sets in the third round. He's twenty fifth seed. How

1454
01:19:02,587 --> 01:19:03,907
Speaker 2: deep might he go?

1455
01:19:04,987 --> 01:19:08,427
Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean he's in the sections tallos our craze

1456
01:19:09,427 --> 01:19:12,187
Speaker 21: and you know draws can open up, so you never know.

1457
01:19:12,387 --> 01:19:15,307
Speaker 21: But he's got Tommy Paul next, so that's going to

1458
01:19:15,347 --> 01:19:18,427
Speaker 21: be difficult. Tommy's Tommy's a damn good player. But popin

1459
01:19:18,707 --> 01:19:21,227
Speaker 21: prop was a weird one. He didn't have a really

1460
01:19:21,267 --> 01:19:24,707
Speaker 21: good summer when he had high expectations, but loves clay.

1461
01:19:25,507 --> 01:19:29,107
Speaker 21: One of French Open juniors very good on the surface.

1462
01:19:29,747 --> 01:19:33,467
Speaker 21: Alex Demonor couldn't quite get it together in the first week.

1463
01:19:33,507 --> 01:19:35,107
Speaker 21: He went out in the second round, so he was

1464
01:19:35,547 --> 01:19:38,387
Speaker 21: probably a better hope given the Demons contended. I think

1465
01:19:38,427 --> 01:19:41,027
Speaker 21: he's made the semi finals with the French before, so yeah,

1466
01:19:41,107 --> 01:19:45,427
Speaker 21: but Poplin, that's that's not out of the box despite

1467
01:19:45,547 --> 01:19:47,427
Speaker 21: the form he's been showing, because.

1468
01:19:47,907 --> 01:19:50,427
Speaker 6: He's really really comfortable in the clay. So that's that's

1469
01:19:50,467 --> 01:19:52,987
Speaker 6: good news. It's good to see an email through the

1470
01:19:53,027 --> 01:19:55,787
Speaker 6: second week of a French Open. Doesn't happen too often.

1471
01:19:55,907 --> 01:19:57,347
Speaker 2: No, true, and I had I must have, but I

1472
01:19:57,387 --> 01:20:00,747
Speaker 2: hadn't heard of Daria Kasatkina, the woman's seventeenth seed into

1473
01:20:00,787 --> 01:20:03,667
Speaker 2: the third round of She she's recently arrived in Australia,

1474
01:20:03,747 --> 01:20:03,947
Speaker 2: is she.

1475
01:20:04,627 --> 01:20:08,867
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's hot, nationality US by birth and for the

1476
01:20:08,947 --> 01:20:11,907
Speaker 6: majority of her life. Wonderful person. We've we've got to

1477
01:20:11,987 --> 01:20:13,907
Speaker 6: know her at the Australian Open this year. You had

1478
01:20:13,987 --> 01:20:17,147
Speaker 6: on our set for TV that I was working on

1479
01:20:17,307 --> 01:20:20,227
Speaker 6: for a couple of times. And one of the most dry,

1480
01:20:20,387 --> 01:20:24,267
Speaker 6: sarcastic humans you'll ever meet, who has a good look

1481
01:20:24,307 --> 01:20:26,787
Speaker 6: at life. So man, she'll fit right in down in

1482
01:20:26,867 --> 01:20:29,867
Speaker 6: this part of the world. But no, it's good to

1483
01:20:29,947 --> 01:20:31,947
Speaker 6: have her involved and help her out. She was obviously

1484
01:20:31,987 --> 01:20:34,587
Speaker 6: in a state of flux giving everything that's gone over

1485
01:20:34,627 --> 01:20:39,067
Speaker 6: there Ja politically with the war, I should say over there.

1486
01:20:39,147 --> 01:20:41,707
Speaker 6: So she wanted out and Australia has been able to

1487
01:20:41,707 --> 01:20:42,387
Speaker 6: accommodate her and.

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Speaker 8: We're happy to have her, absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Happy to have you on the radio as always, Adam,

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Speaker 2: and joy your weekend and we'll latch it again next Saturday.

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Speaker 6: Thanks funny everyone.

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Speaker 2: You ever go one to mate, Adam Peacock. There our

1493
01:20:52,547 --> 01:20:55,867
Speaker 2: Australian correspondent as always about this time on Saturday afternoons

1494
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Speaker 2: to too News TALKSB.

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01:20:58,107 --> 01:21:03,067
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the very field Weekend

1496
01:21:03,147 --> 01:21:06,347
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Him News Talk ZMB.

1497
01:21:06,827 --> 01:21:10,027
Speaker 2: Five to two. Justspeck to the Australians at the French Stein.

1498
01:21:10,067 --> 01:21:12,467
Speaker 2: It's open quickly, Alexi Popron, who you heard from? Adam

1499
01:21:12,467 --> 01:21:14,307
Speaker 2: Peacock is through to the fourth round where he'll play

1500
01:21:14,347 --> 01:21:16,987
Speaker 2: Tommy Paul. He was asked afterwards if he could have

1501
01:21:17,067 --> 01:21:20,947
Speaker 2: imagined being the last Australian man standing at the tournaments.

1502
01:21:21,027 --> 01:21:23,227
Speaker 22: That's a difficult question. I think you know, we all

1503
01:21:23,307 --> 01:21:26,267
Speaker 22: expected Demon to be in the fourth round. I think

1504
01:21:26,347 --> 01:21:29,347
Speaker 22: he's probably the most consistent player on tour. I don't

1505
01:21:29,347 --> 01:21:32,307
Speaker 22: think I could have thought that, but that's the case now.

1506
01:21:32,427 --> 01:21:35,627
Speaker 22: And I'm only focusing on myself for now, you know,

1507
01:21:35,947 --> 01:21:37,787
Speaker 22: I want to keep going as far as I can.

1508
01:21:38,067 --> 01:21:39,307
Speaker 22: That's all I'm thinking about now.

1509
01:21:39,507 --> 01:21:41,947
Speaker 2: Demon of course, is Alex Demoneer, who was knocked out

1510
01:21:42,107 --> 01:21:44,707
Speaker 2: in the first week, So now it's Tommy Paul who

1511
01:21:44,787 --> 01:21:47,987
Speaker 2: is next for Alexi Poppron. He's played two five setters

1512
01:21:48,067 --> 01:21:50,667
Speaker 2: in a row, so might that help Popron.

1513
01:21:50,907 --> 01:21:53,387
Speaker 22: Honestly, I think Tommy is one of the fittest guys

1514
01:21:53,467 --> 01:21:55,387
Speaker 22: on tour. The work he puts in the gym, the

1515
01:21:55,427 --> 01:21:57,547
Speaker 22: work he puts off the court. I think he's only

1516
01:21:57,627 --> 01:22:01,307
Speaker 22: going to come out on Sunday and play normal. For me,

1517
01:22:01,427 --> 01:22:03,747
Speaker 22: it's very important not to think about the fact that

1518
01:22:03,827 --> 01:22:06,427
Speaker 22: he's played two five setters. It's to keep focusing on

1519
01:22:06,507 --> 01:22:08,187
Speaker 22: myself and to keep focusing on the way that I've

1520
01:22:08,187 --> 01:22:10,987
Speaker 22: been playing for the last two weeks and trying to

1521
01:22:11,067 --> 01:22:12,787
Speaker 22: just bring that level again. We're trying to bring that

1522
01:22:12,867 --> 01:22:15,267
Speaker 22: consistent level, and for me, that's the most important part,

1523
01:22:15,467 --> 01:22:18,307
Speaker 22: not to focus on how he feels or what he'd

1524
01:22:18,347 --> 01:22:20,707
Speaker 22: done in previous rounds. I know how fit he is,

1525
01:22:21,227 --> 01:22:22,947
Speaker 22: and I think the whole tour knows how fit he is,

1526
01:22:23,067 --> 01:22:26,027
Speaker 22: so he's not going to come out there and show

1527
01:22:26,027 --> 01:22:26,707
Speaker 22: you that he's tired.

1528
01:22:26,827 --> 01:22:27,347
Speaker 8: That's for sure.

1529
01:22:27,467 --> 01:22:29,667
Speaker 2: That's the voice of Alexei Poprin, who is into the

1530
01:22:29,707 --> 01:22:32,827
Speaker 2: fourth round. Most of the big names are through to

1531
01:22:32,907 --> 01:22:35,827
Speaker 2: the second week. We'll cover off the French Tennis Open

1532
01:22:35,867 --> 01:22:38,987
Speaker 2: in more detail tomorrow on the show After two o'clock,

1533
01:22:39,067 --> 01:22:41,947
Speaker 2: Tim soud is with us. How's this new gig going?

1534
01:22:42,507 --> 01:22:45,867
Speaker 2: Is Brendan McCullum the coach the same as Brendan McCullum

1535
01:22:45,947 --> 01:22:48,707
Speaker 2: the captain. Tim Sowley leads us off after two But

1536
01:22:48,787 --> 01:22:50,667
Speaker 2: a rug b and other bits and pieces too.

1537
01:22:52,387 --> 01:22:55,227
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1538
01:22:55,707 --> 01:22:56,787
Speaker 1: and after field.

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01:22:57,347 --> 01:23:00,707
Speaker 12: It's all on Wee James Ford with Jason Pade on

1540
01:23:00,867 --> 01:23:03,907
Speaker 12: your home of Sport News Talk.

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01:23:06,467 --> 01:23:09,107
Speaker 2: Seven. Hello, this is weekend Sport on News Talk said

1542
01:23:09,147 --> 01:23:12,187
Speaker 2: v we had till three. Thanks for tuning in. I've

1543
01:23:12,267 --> 01:23:15,667
Speaker 2: heard that there may well be more more under Pacifica

1544
01:23:15,747 --> 01:23:19,107
Speaker 2: fans at Sky Stadium tonight than Hurricanes fans. I hope

1545
01:23:19,187 --> 01:23:22,587
Speaker 2: Hurricanes fans take that as a challenge because there's a

1546
01:23:22,627 --> 01:23:25,627
Speaker 2: bit riding on this game for both sides. Rarely, first

1547
01:23:25,627 --> 01:23:27,307
Speaker 2: of all, more un A Pacific and no, they need

1548
01:23:27,427 --> 01:23:30,627
Speaker 2: to win it to have any chance of making the

1549
01:23:30,707 --> 01:23:33,867
Speaker 2: top six, they'll know going in what they have to

1550
01:23:33,907 --> 01:23:36,507
Speaker 2: do in terms of bonus points, etc. Because the first

1551
01:23:36,547 --> 01:23:38,787
Speaker 2: game on Super Saturday, but we can call it that

1552
01:23:39,147 --> 01:23:42,267
Speaker 2: four point thirty five this afternoon Blues waratars Eden Park.

1553
01:23:43,467 --> 01:23:46,467
Speaker 2: Whoever wins that stays in contention for the top six.

1554
01:23:46,547 --> 01:23:50,387
Speaker 2: Whoever loses it can start planning their Mad Monday if

1555
01:23:50,387 --> 01:23:55,467
Speaker 2: they like. Whoever wins then has to wait to see

1556
01:23:55,507 --> 01:23:59,907
Speaker 2: what happens in the more uner Pacificer Hurricanes game. But

1557
01:24:00,307 --> 01:24:05,067
Speaker 2: I've heard that there's a huge throng of supporters filling

1558
01:24:05,147 --> 01:24:08,547
Speaker 2: up a couple of aisles. It's stadium tonight with more

1559
01:24:08,547 --> 01:24:13,187
Speaker 2: on A Pacifica flags and memorabilia and replica gear and

1560
01:24:13,227 --> 01:24:15,587
Speaker 2: all the color and the noise that comes with those

1561
01:24:15,587 --> 01:24:17,947
Speaker 2: who support the one A Pacifica. I mean, it's a

1562
01:24:18,027 --> 01:24:21,267
Speaker 2: return to Wellington of the likes of Artie Savier, Julian Savia,

1563
01:24:22,147 --> 01:24:27,067
Speaker 2: Jonathan to Mattina Jackson, Garden, Basher Peppersanna Butterfilo. So there

1564
01:24:27,107 --> 01:24:29,667
Speaker 2: are five that I can see in the in the

1565
01:24:29,747 --> 01:24:34,027
Speaker 2: twenty three as well as, of course one of the

1566
01:24:34,227 --> 01:24:37,667
Speaker 2: best Hurricanes of all time, tana Umanga at the Helm.

1567
01:24:37,827 --> 01:24:41,307
Speaker 2: So I saw Artie Saves say during the week he

1568
01:24:41,387 --> 01:24:45,467
Speaker 2: thought he would be booed at sky Stadium. I don't

1569
01:24:45,467 --> 01:24:49,227
Speaker 2: think Artie Savier would be booed anywhere. I don't think

1570
01:24:49,267 --> 01:24:51,467
Speaker 2: he'll get I think he'll get a wonderful reception back

1571
01:24:51,507 --> 01:24:56,107
Speaker 2: at sky Stadium tonight, including from the as I say,

1572
01:24:56,987 --> 01:24:59,267
Speaker 2: huge number of more on a PACIFICA fans who are

1573
01:24:59,347 --> 01:25:02,307
Speaker 2: expected there are going to chat to one of those

1574
01:25:02,347 --> 01:25:06,267
Speaker 2: who has mobilized the support this hour. Also one of

1575
01:25:06,467 --> 01:25:10,507
Speaker 2: here from the games last night. Chiefs getting it done

1576
01:25:10,587 --> 01:25:15,147
Speaker 2: and they are top. They will earn home advantage through

1577
01:25:15,187 --> 01:25:17,707
Speaker 2: the playoffs, provided of course they win in Week one,

1578
01:25:18,227 --> 01:25:20,907
Speaker 2: the Crusaders beating the Brumbies, so the Crusaders locked in

1579
01:25:21,107 --> 01:25:25,507
Speaker 2: for second place. The Brumbies are third. They can't be topped.

1580
01:25:25,747 --> 01:25:27,827
Speaker 2: So we know that in week one of the finals

1581
01:25:28,267 --> 01:25:31,227
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, Crusaders and Brumbies will host a game each.

1582
01:25:31,827 --> 01:25:33,987
Speaker 2: I can only assume that one of those games will

1583
01:25:33,987 --> 01:25:37,867
Speaker 2: be Friday. The other two will be Saturday, with the

1584
01:25:38,147 --> 01:25:40,827
Speaker 2: New Zealand game obviously seven thirty in the Australian game

1585
01:25:40,947 --> 01:25:44,067
Speaker 2: featuring the Brumbies Saturday night nine thirty out time. I

1586
01:25:44,147 --> 01:25:46,587
Speaker 2: can only assume that that is an official yet. We'll

1587
01:25:46,627 --> 01:25:49,107
Speaker 2: find out but loater on tonight or tomorrow what the

1588
01:25:49,187 --> 01:25:54,747
Speaker 2: format is. But you'd imagine that, No, I can't even know.

1589
01:25:54,907 --> 01:25:56,987
Speaker 2: I won't even go down the rabbit hole of trying

1590
01:25:57,027 --> 01:25:59,827
Speaker 2: to guess. But we know that the Chiefs, the Crusaders

1591
01:25:59,827 --> 01:26:02,987
Speaker 2: and the Brumbies will host next weekend Hamilton christ Church,

1592
01:26:03,067 --> 01:26:06,747
Speaker 2: Canberra for week one of the finals. Getting a bit

1593
01:26:06,747 --> 01:26:09,387
Speaker 2: ahead of ourselves. Other things to talk about this out

1594
01:26:09,427 --> 01:26:13,627
Speaker 2: Tim Southie along shortly a new role for him in

1595
01:26:13,707 --> 01:26:17,467
Speaker 2: the England setup. As you heard wayno tell us in

1596
01:26:17,507 --> 01:26:19,507
Speaker 2: the sports news Lydia Coe with a bit of work

1597
01:26:19,547 --> 01:26:22,667
Speaker 2: to do with the US Women's Golf Open. Gary Demattel,

1598
01:26:23,827 --> 01:26:28,827
Speaker 2: senior golf writer, is with us on that. Other bits

1599
01:26:28,867 --> 01:26:31,747
Speaker 2: and pieces too to talk about before we hand over

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01:26:31,827 --> 01:26:34,067
Speaker 2: to Tim Beverage after three. And of course you can

1601
01:26:34,107 --> 01:26:36,227
Speaker 2: get in touch anytime you like, oh, eight hundred and

1602
01:26:36,267 --> 01:26:39,467
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty nine nine two on text emails to

1603
01:26:39,587 --> 01:26:43,507
Speaker 2: Jason at newstalksb dot co dot nz. But as we

1604
01:26:43,627 --> 01:26:47,387
Speaker 2: always do at around about this time on weekend Sport,

1605
01:26:48,267 --> 01:26:51,947
Speaker 2: as we tick over ten past two, let's catch you

1606
01:26:52,067 --> 01:26:55,347
Speaker 2: across the stuff you may have missed in case you

1607
01:26:55,467 --> 01:27:00,187
Speaker 2: missed it. Starting on the basketball court, big effort from

1608
01:27:00,267 --> 01:27:05,467
Speaker 2: New York Next Jalen Brunson has extended the NBA's Eastern

1609
01:27:05,587 --> 01:27:09,427
Speaker 2: Conference five Finals into a sixth game, under three.

1610
01:27:09,307 --> 01:27:12,787
Speaker 8: To play on the third Prinson with the point and

1611
01:27:13,067 --> 01:27:18,307
Speaker 8: the far and the far trodden on for Chreeland Punson.

1612
01:27:18,467 --> 01:27:20,747
Speaker 2: So the next need to win the next two games

1613
01:27:20,907 --> 01:27:25,347
Speaker 2: to make the NBA Finals. The Southland Sharks closer the

1614
01:27:25,427 --> 01:27:29,347
Speaker 2: home of upset the taarannaky years in our National Basketball League.

1615
01:27:29,467 --> 01:27:32,627
Speaker 16: Hople of the fittest Navy is what we're seeing the

1616
01:27:32,667 --> 01:27:36,067
Speaker 16: moment Asbree and yes canab Asbury steps up.

1617
01:27:36,347 --> 01:27:37,987
Speaker 2: He has eighteen points.

1618
01:27:39,787 --> 01:27:42,467
Speaker 8: And there it is. It's going to be victory for Southland.

1619
01:27:42,747 --> 01:27:45,587
Speaker 4: Nice job by them they have closed down a five

1620
01:27:45,747 --> 01:27:46,547
Speaker 4: point victory.

1621
01:27:46,747 --> 01:27:49,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighty seven eighty two are much needed win for

1622
01:27:49,627 --> 01:27:53,667
Speaker 2: the Southland Sharks. To the NRL where the Dragons put

1623
01:27:53,707 --> 01:27:56,227
Speaker 2: in a dominant performance to beat the Newcastle Knights.

1624
01:27:56,267 --> 01:27:59,347
Speaker 7: Look by having a little crackt himself, here is jupid

1625
01:27:59,467 --> 01:28:01,147
Speaker 7: back for sivic Etaga.

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01:28:01,907 --> 01:28:07,547
Speaker 23: Here sas in Scottbellions well.

1627
01:28:07,467 --> 01:28:09,947
Speaker 4: Being the lifetoun bout Tim take it to the end.

1628
01:28:10,027 --> 01:28:12,787
Speaker 23: Goal Huts is wherever.

1629
01:28:12,907 --> 01:28:15,747
Speaker 2: He's been in a mood since coming off the bench.

1630
01:28:15,987 --> 01:28:18,667
Speaker 2: The Dragon's winning get twenty points to six, saying to

1631
01:28:18,707 --> 01:28:22,387
Speaker 2: the clay courts of Roland Garros, no trouble for women's

1632
01:28:22,427 --> 01:28:29,347
Speaker 2: favorite Egos Fiontech blitzing Jacqueline christian in straight sets, and

1633
01:28:29,427 --> 01:28:29,947
Speaker 2: there it is.

1634
01:28:30,387 --> 01:28:33,107
Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking for Jacqueline Christiansen.

1635
01:28:33,907 --> 01:28:41,227
Speaker 19: Remember the hugely impressive fight from the Romanian for the defending.

1636
01:28:40,907 --> 01:28:42,907
Speaker 14: Champion proves irresistible in the end.

1637
01:28:43,227 --> 01:28:46,827
Speaker 2: Not quite so comfortable though, for the men's favorite, Carlos Elcarez.

1638
01:28:46,987 --> 01:28:53,107
Speaker 2: He eventually prevailed in a tough four setters much alco

1639
01:28:53,467 --> 01:28:59,227
Speaker 2: and the defending champion survives an enormous test under the

1640
01:28:59,307 --> 01:29:00,387
Speaker 2: lights here in Paris.

1641
01:29:00,907 --> 01:29:01,267
Speaker 8: This is.

1642
01:29:03,267 --> 01:29:10,147
Speaker 2: An engrossing battle. The Damagma chums up just short in

1643
01:29:10,267 --> 01:29:10,667
Speaker 2: the end.

1644
01:29:11,707 --> 01:29:15,387
Speaker 12: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

1645
01:29:15,587 --> 01:29:19,667
Speaker 1: Weekends for it with Jason Vye they call eighty eighty

1646
01:29:19,827 --> 01:29:20,707
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1647
01:29:20,507 --> 01:29:23,827
Speaker 2: EDB, News Talks, HEB and Weekend Sport coming up. Thirteen

1648
01:29:23,947 --> 01:29:26,507
Speaker 2: past two, Tim Southey has linked up with his former

1649
01:29:26,707 --> 01:29:30,587
Speaker 2: Black Caps captain Brendon McCullum as part of England's coaching

1650
01:29:30,707 --> 01:29:34,667
Speaker 2: staff across formats, taking on a short term contract as

1651
01:29:34,947 --> 01:29:40,187
Speaker 2: specialist skills consultant. Tim Southey, of course, retired from international

1652
01:29:40,267 --> 01:29:43,467
Speaker 2: cricket after England's two to one series win here in

1653
01:29:43,587 --> 01:29:47,827
Speaker 2: New Zealand in December, ending a sixteen year career that

1654
01:29:48,027 --> 01:29:52,347
Speaker 2: included a national record seven hundred and seventy six wickets

1655
01:29:52,867 --> 01:29:56,427
Speaker 2: across international formats. Tim southde is with us. Tim, I

1656
01:29:56,427 --> 01:29:58,387
Speaker 2: want to talk about your new role in a moment,

1657
01:29:58,547 --> 01:30:00,787
Speaker 2: but with the benefit of some time and space to

1658
01:30:00,867 --> 01:30:05,107
Speaker 2: reflect a few months to reflect on your international career,

1659
01:30:05,187 --> 01:30:07,907
Speaker 2: how do you look back on it in general terms?

1660
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Speaker 24: Yeah, that's it was an honor to represent his ellinor

1661
01:30:13,667 --> 01:30:15,027
Speaker 24: was all I ever wanted to do is a kid,

1662
01:30:15,187 --> 01:30:18,267
Speaker 24: was to play sport and to be able to do

1663
01:30:18,347 --> 01:30:21,027
Speaker 24: it for things Land and across through formats for a

1664
01:30:21,067 --> 01:30:23,147
Speaker 24: for a one period of time, it was an atflute

1665
01:30:23,547 --> 01:30:28,707
Speaker 24: pleasure and a joy to to represent our country on

1666
01:30:28,787 --> 01:30:31,507
Speaker 24: the world stage. And yeah, there was some some tough

1667
01:30:31,587 --> 01:30:34,027
Speaker 24: times through that through that period, there's some some good times,

1668
01:30:34,067 --> 01:30:37,587
Speaker 24: but but it's it was just a real, real honor

1669
01:30:37,667 --> 01:30:39,267
Speaker 24: to do it. It was a child of dream and

1670
01:30:39,467 --> 01:30:40,747
Speaker 24: I was very fortunate to be able.

1671
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Speaker 6: To do it.

1672
01:30:40,827 --> 01:30:43,627
Speaker 24: And I've got nearly see many years of memories to

1673
01:30:43,827 --> 01:30:45,067
Speaker 24: so I guess look back on for the for the

1674
01:30:45,107 --> 01:30:45,707
Speaker 24: rest of my life.

1675
01:30:45,747 --> 01:30:48,747
Speaker 8: So it's yeah, a real, real privilege to have been

1676
01:30:48,747 --> 01:30:49,107
Speaker 8: able to do it.

1677
01:30:49,707 --> 01:30:52,467
Speaker 2: Are there any things that you are especially proud of?

1678
01:30:56,547 --> 01:30:59,267
Speaker 8: I don't know. I think just just being able to

1679
01:30:59,347 --> 01:31:00,587
Speaker 8: represent our country.

1680
01:31:01,947 --> 01:31:03,867
Speaker 24: And to be able to do it in the world stage,

1681
01:31:03,907 --> 01:31:06,867
Speaker 24: and and I guess for such a small country, is

1682
01:31:06,867 --> 01:31:09,987
Speaker 24: such a proud sporting country, and the things that we're

1683
01:31:09,987 --> 01:31:12,547
Speaker 24: able to achieve the side during that time.

1684
01:31:13,507 --> 01:31:14,507
Speaker 8: What was pretty special.

1685
01:31:15,747 --> 01:31:20,147
Speaker 24: We've boxed above our weight so many times, and yeah,

1686
01:31:20,147 --> 01:31:22,827
Speaker 24: it's just a privilege to be a part of.

1687
01:31:23,547 --> 01:31:24,867
Speaker 8: But yeah, just I think just the.

1688
01:31:26,747 --> 01:31:30,987
Speaker 24: The ability and the chance to represent his Zellen and

1689
01:31:31,507 --> 01:31:32,587
Speaker 24: to be able to do it for for a long

1690
01:31:32,587 --> 01:31:34,947
Speaker 24: period of time, and the friendships you make and the

1691
01:31:35,027 --> 01:31:38,027
Speaker 24: memories you create during that time are things that will.

1692
01:31:38,147 --> 01:31:38,947
Speaker 8: All of it you forever.

1693
01:31:39,667 --> 01:31:42,587
Speaker 2: As you're playing, are you able to, I don't know,

1694
01:31:42,867 --> 01:31:46,387
Speaker 2: enjoy the success, be proud of the success as it's happening,

1695
01:31:46,547 --> 01:31:48,907
Speaker 2: or you know, with games coming thick and fast in

1696
01:31:48,987 --> 01:31:52,227
Speaker 2: both formats or all three formats in your case, are

1697
01:31:52,307 --> 01:31:54,267
Speaker 2: you just sort of onto the next pretty much? And

1698
01:31:54,307 --> 01:31:56,147
Speaker 2: it might actually take a bit of time, you know,

1699
01:31:56,227 --> 01:31:58,347
Speaker 2: even than the years ahead for you to actually reflect

1700
01:31:58,427 --> 01:31:59,307
Speaker 2: on what you achieved.

1701
01:32:01,267 --> 01:32:04,227
Speaker 24: Yeah, I guess even now you sort of you have

1702
01:32:04,347 --> 01:32:07,587
Speaker 24: moments for you look back and your you reflect on it.

1703
01:32:07,667 --> 01:32:09,387
Speaker 24: But it's like I say, you've got the memories that

1704
01:32:09,467 --> 01:32:11,627
Speaker 24: you'll you'll you'll flash back on for the rest of

1705
01:32:11,627 --> 01:32:13,827
Speaker 24: your life. But I think in the moment you enjoy it.

1706
01:32:14,707 --> 01:32:16,987
Speaker 24: I think you have to enjoy it. Yeah, you learn

1707
01:32:17,027 --> 01:32:19,907
Speaker 24: from the bad, you enjoy the good and keep trying

1708
01:32:19,947 --> 01:32:23,907
Speaker 24: to improve. But the amount of games that we played,

1709
01:32:23,987 --> 01:32:27,907
Speaker 24: and but how they came thick and fast, it was

1710
01:32:28,467 --> 01:32:30,067
Speaker 24: I guess hard to but your moments at the end

1711
01:32:30,067 --> 01:32:32,107
Speaker 24: of series or downtime to be able to look back

1712
01:32:32,187 --> 01:32:35,307
Speaker 24: on and reflect and move forward as well and enjoy

1713
01:32:35,347 --> 01:32:37,427
Speaker 24: those moments. I think you've got to enjoy those those

1714
01:32:37,427 --> 01:32:40,227
Speaker 24: small moments as well throughout throughout throughout your career. And

1715
01:32:40,867 --> 01:32:43,067
Speaker 24: like I say, they went all all good times, but

1716
01:32:43,467 --> 01:32:45,627
Speaker 24: but I think the tough times make the good times

1717
01:32:45,667 --> 01:32:46,107
Speaker 24: even better.

1718
01:32:46,667 --> 01:32:49,627
Speaker 2: Cricket is a game that can take you, as you've mentioned,

1719
01:32:49,667 --> 01:32:51,867
Speaker 2: on a bit of a roller coaster sometimes. What were

1720
01:32:51,907 --> 01:32:55,947
Speaker 2: your strategies for dealing with the times that that didn't

1721
01:32:55,947 --> 01:32:57,427
Speaker 2: go quite the way that you would have hoped.

1722
01:33:00,347 --> 01:33:01,147
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know.

1723
01:33:01,227 --> 01:33:04,107
Speaker 24: I think being so young coming to the side, you

1724
01:33:04,187 --> 01:33:06,147
Speaker 24: had to you had to learn pretty quick to deal

1725
01:33:06,187 --> 01:33:08,827
Speaker 24: with so I guess success and and faidure and and

1726
01:33:09,147 --> 01:33:11,907
Speaker 24: if you didn't then I guess you'd find yourself out

1727
01:33:11,947 --> 01:33:12,307
Speaker 24: of the sight.

1728
01:33:12,427 --> 01:33:14,627
Speaker 8: So it's something I guess you accept and.

1729
01:33:14,707 --> 01:33:19,067
Speaker 24: Yeah, always looking at ways to improve and out of

1730
01:33:19,107 --> 01:33:21,747
Speaker 24: the side a lot, especially early on and each time

1731
01:33:21,787 --> 01:33:23,347
Speaker 24: you come back and each time you get a chance

1732
01:33:23,427 --> 01:33:29,227
Speaker 24: to represent you. Yeah, I just want to want to

1733
01:33:29,267 --> 01:33:31,147
Speaker 24: be a little better from each moment where it was,

1734
01:33:31,187 --> 01:33:33,507
Speaker 24: where it was good or bad, and just trying to

1735
01:33:33,667 --> 01:33:37,867
Speaker 24: I guess represent Zealand proudly and and in in a

1736
01:33:37,947 --> 01:33:40,147
Speaker 24: style that that people can sit back and watch and enjoy.

1737
01:33:40,747 --> 01:33:44,227
Speaker 2: Were you stats driven numbers driven during your career.

1738
01:33:46,427 --> 01:33:50,547
Speaker 24: Not particularly I think you have a Yeah, it's a

1739
01:33:50,787 --> 01:33:53,627
Speaker 24: it's a game that's numbers are such a big part

1740
01:33:53,707 --> 01:33:56,347
Speaker 24: of They certainly drive me, But you're sort of you're

1741
01:33:56,347 --> 01:33:59,907
Speaker 24: aware of of of stats, and especially nowadays with with

1742
01:34:00,067 --> 01:34:03,587
Speaker 24: the amount of social media and the amount of things

1743
01:34:03,627 --> 01:34:05,627
Speaker 24: that you see, you're sort of you're aware of them.

1744
01:34:05,667 --> 01:34:08,347
Speaker 24: But it's certainly wasn't something that that I was driven by.

1745
01:34:09,027 --> 01:34:11,547
Speaker 2: So you got a new gig now at the moment anyway,

1746
01:34:12,827 --> 01:34:17,107
Speaker 2: a short term gig with England special skills consultant. That

1747
01:34:17,267 --> 01:34:19,187
Speaker 2: sounds pretty flash out of this come about.

1748
01:34:21,227 --> 01:34:25,707
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was an opportunity that it presented itself and.

1749
01:34:27,627 --> 01:34:31,787
Speaker 24: Had had lunch with Brendan and he he proposed it

1750
01:34:31,827 --> 01:34:34,227
Speaker 24: to me and I thought it was just a great opportunity.

1751
01:34:34,267 --> 01:34:37,627
Speaker 8: Took the opportunity to I guess not take up. Not

1752
01:34:37,667 --> 01:34:38,827
Speaker 8: many people get to get.

1753
01:34:38,707 --> 01:34:41,107
Speaker 24: The opportunity straight out of his national cricket to walk

1754
01:34:41,187 --> 01:34:43,307
Speaker 24: in and I guess give back to the game in

1755
01:34:43,387 --> 01:34:45,867
Speaker 24: a way at the highest level. It's a game that's

1756
01:34:45,907 --> 01:34:49,507
Speaker 24: given me everything that I've gotten and given me so much,

1757
01:34:49,587 --> 01:34:50,747
Speaker 24: and if I can give back.

1758
01:34:50,587 --> 01:34:52,907
Speaker 8: In a way, then I thought, well why not.

1759
01:34:53,147 --> 01:34:55,747
Speaker 24: So I looked at it, that spoke to Brendan and

1760
01:34:56,107 --> 01:34:59,267
Speaker 24: had had to think about it, and yeah, I looked

1761
01:34:59,307 --> 01:35:02,507
Speaker 24: at the bowlers and the side that the England England

1762
01:35:02,547 --> 01:35:04,667
Speaker 24: side had and it's it's it's an exciting time for

1763
01:35:04,987 --> 01:35:08,147
Speaker 24: them and this there's plenty of talent here to to

1764
01:35:08,947 --> 01:35:09,627
Speaker 24: to work with.

1765
01:35:09,747 --> 01:35:11,867
Speaker 8: So I think it was just an opportunity that was

1766
01:35:12,187 --> 01:35:13,867
Speaker 8: too good not to not to turn down.

1767
01:35:14,267 --> 01:35:17,347
Speaker 2: So What does the role specifically involved. What are you

1768
01:35:17,467 --> 01:35:19,187
Speaker 2: doing on a day to day basis while you're in

1769
01:35:19,267 --> 01:35:19,947
Speaker 2: camp with England.

1770
01:35:21,947 --> 01:35:31,947
Speaker 8: Just we're with with the bowlers, helping, helping out a way.

1771
01:35:32,027 --> 01:35:35,387
Speaker 24: We had a camp before that and now we're into

1772
01:35:35,747 --> 01:35:38,147
Speaker 24: a white Wall series against we Cindy. So yeah, just

1773
01:35:38,227 --> 01:35:41,947
Speaker 24: working with their bowlers, trying to, I guess, trying to

1774
01:35:41,947 --> 01:35:43,107
Speaker 24: assist them in any way I can.

1775
01:35:43,827 --> 01:35:46,667
Speaker 2: As Brendan McCullum the coach the same as Brendan McCullum

1776
01:35:46,747 --> 01:35:47,147
Speaker 2: the captain.

1777
01:35:49,427 --> 01:35:53,027
Speaker 24: Yeah, I think Brandon mccullums are pretty pretty sort of solid,

1778
01:35:53,187 --> 01:35:53,707
Speaker 24: solid guy.

1779
01:35:53,787 --> 01:35:55,147
Speaker 8: He doesn't doesn't change too much.

1780
01:35:55,187 --> 01:35:58,107
Speaker 24: He's done great things, great things for us as a

1781
01:35:58,187 --> 01:36:00,867
Speaker 24: as a side when he took over as captain and

1782
01:36:01,027 --> 01:36:04,267
Speaker 24: and I guess transformed us into the side we are now.

1783
01:36:04,987 --> 01:36:06,987
Speaker 24: That the success we had under him and the success

1784
01:36:07,107 --> 01:36:10,947
Speaker 24: we have now all started when he took over his captain.

1785
01:36:10,987 --> 01:36:13,947
Speaker 24: So he's been an unbelievable way of managing people and

1786
01:36:14,187 --> 01:36:16,427
Speaker 24: getting the best out of people, and that's no different

1787
01:36:16,867 --> 01:36:17,667
Speaker 24: in his coaching style.

1788
01:36:18,347 --> 01:36:22,307
Speaker 2: And well, your role with England has start a pretty

1789
01:36:22,347 --> 01:36:24,467
Speaker 2: well beginnings win and the one off Test against him

1790
01:36:24,467 --> 01:36:26,507
Speaker 2: babwe big victory in the first od I against the

1791
01:36:26,547 --> 01:36:29,547
Speaker 2: weast Indies. You've got tests against India coming up, which

1792
01:36:29,587 --> 01:36:32,427
Speaker 2: is an exciting prospect. Can you get the same buzz

1793
01:36:33,147 --> 01:36:39,147
Speaker 2: from coaching as you did from playing, Yeah.

1794
01:36:39,027 --> 01:36:39,987
Speaker 8: It's obviously early on.

1795
01:36:40,187 --> 01:36:42,587
Speaker 24: It's it's a different it's a different buzz when you're

1796
01:36:42,627 --> 01:36:46,227
Speaker 24: out there they're playing. It's slightly different to to I

1797
01:36:46,267 --> 01:36:51,667
Speaker 24: guess a more sit back approach as to as to

1798
01:36:51,707 --> 01:36:53,467
Speaker 24: what's actually happening out there. But I guess you take

1799
01:36:53,667 --> 01:36:55,987
Speaker 24: take joy and take pleasure out of the work you

1800
01:36:56,067 --> 01:36:58,627
Speaker 24: put in with the guys pre games and in the

1801
01:36:58,707 --> 01:37:02,107
Speaker 24: round games, and then seeing them go out and have success.

1802
01:37:02,147 --> 01:37:04,427
Speaker 24: It's a it's a different kind of buzz you get

1803
01:37:04,467 --> 01:37:06,907
Speaker 24: to when you're playing, but it's certainly retally a nice

1804
01:37:06,907 --> 01:37:09,067
Speaker 24: feeling when you work with someone and you see them

1805
01:37:09,107 --> 01:37:12,227
Speaker 24: go out and do well. So it's yeah, it's it's different,

1806
01:37:12,267 --> 01:37:14,747
Speaker 24: but it's it's also nice and like I said, it's

1807
01:37:14,747 --> 01:37:16,307
Speaker 24: great to be able to give back to a game

1808
01:37:16,387 --> 01:37:18,107
Speaker 24: that's that's given me so much.

1809
01:37:18,347 --> 01:37:20,867
Speaker 2: And you've still got white ball commitments obviously Birmingham Phoenix

1810
01:37:20,947 --> 01:37:23,547
Speaker 2: coming up and the men's hundred and presumably some more

1811
01:37:24,187 --> 01:37:27,627
Speaker 2: white ball opportunities beyond that. When you do finally stop playing,

1812
01:37:28,027 --> 01:37:31,067
Speaker 2: can you see yourself going into coaching full time?

1813
01:37:33,867 --> 01:37:35,547
Speaker 8: Yeah, I wasn't too too sure what.

1814
01:37:37,187 --> 01:37:39,467
Speaker 24: Where the where the path of take me post post cricket,

1815
01:37:39,507 --> 01:37:42,987
Speaker 24: And this is obviously an opportunity to to get amongst

1816
01:37:43,067 --> 01:37:47,347
Speaker 24: coaching and give it a go. Yeah, still got a

1817
01:37:47,427 --> 01:37:50,467
Speaker 24: couple of playing commitments in around and around that, which

1818
01:37:50,587 --> 01:37:52,907
Speaker 24: is which is which is great as well to still

1819
01:37:52,947 --> 01:37:54,067
Speaker 24: be still be able.

1820
01:37:53,867 --> 01:37:54,867
Speaker 8: To play the game that I love.

1821
01:37:54,947 --> 01:37:58,547
Speaker 24: And yeah, it's I've got time to I guess figure

1822
01:37:58,547 --> 01:38:00,627
Speaker 24: out what's what's next. But I'm enjoying this this at

1823
01:38:00,627 --> 01:38:02,187
Speaker 24: the moment, And like I said, it's nice to be

1824
01:38:02,227 --> 01:38:03,907
Speaker 24: able to give back to the game.

1825
01:38:04,267 --> 01:38:06,347
Speaker 2: Do you reckon you'll ever move completely away from the game,

1826
01:38:06,627 --> 01:38:07,987
Speaker 2: do something completely different?

1827
01:38:10,867 --> 01:38:11,227
Speaker 18: I don't know.

1828
01:38:12,067 --> 01:38:15,307
Speaker 24: So that's all I've known since I was eighteen years old,

1829
01:38:15,587 --> 01:38:19,667
Speaker 24: or since I left school. So it's yeah, it's we

1830
01:38:19,787 --> 01:38:21,787
Speaker 24: know so much and have I guess the knowledge about

1831
01:38:21,827 --> 01:38:27,707
Speaker 24: the game that And it's a game I love, it's

1832
01:38:27,707 --> 01:38:31,907
Speaker 24: a game I care about, So yeah, I honestly don't

1833
01:38:31,907 --> 01:38:32,867
Speaker 24: know the answer to that right now.

1834
01:38:33,027 --> 01:38:34,707
Speaker 2: All right, we've got plenty of time to think about that.

1835
01:38:34,827 --> 01:38:36,707
Speaker 2: You've got a bit of coaching, but of playing still

1836
01:38:36,787 --> 01:38:38,467
Speaker 2: to go. Look all the best for the rest of

1837
01:38:38,547 --> 01:38:40,667
Speaker 2: this little gig with England and beyond, and look forward

1838
01:38:40,707 --> 01:38:43,627
Speaker 2: to catching up once you back home. Thanks for that pony,

1839
01:38:43,867 --> 01:38:46,587
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tim, Tim Southdie there joining us out of England.

1840
01:38:46,787 --> 01:38:48,227
Speaker 2: Good to get the chap to catch up first time.

1841
01:38:48,227 --> 01:38:50,627
Speaker 2: I think I've chettle him since his international retirement. So

1842
01:38:50,987 --> 01:38:54,787
Speaker 2: obviously plenty going on for Tim Soudy in that coaching

1843
01:38:54,867 --> 01:38:56,827
Speaker 2: role and then on with some more white ball cricket.

1844
01:38:57,307 --> 01:39:01,587
Speaker 2: So his career will be elong Gate. It'd be interesting

1845
01:39:01,667 --> 01:39:04,507
Speaker 2: to see where he ends up, Tim Saudi, whether it's

1846
01:39:04,547 --> 01:39:08,427
Speaker 2: a co ching gig, perhaps in one of these white

1847
01:39:08,467 --> 01:39:10,427
Speaker 2: Wolf franchises around the place. There said to me, plenty

1848
01:39:10,427 --> 01:39:13,867
Speaker 2: of jobs at the moment, don't there for cricket coaches.

1849
01:39:14,707 --> 01:39:16,267
Speaker 2: But yeah, good to get the chance to catch up

1850
01:39:16,307 --> 01:39:19,547
Speaker 2: with Tim Southey two twenty three. I want to take

1851
01:39:19,547 --> 01:39:21,747
Speaker 2: a break and come back and talk some golf. Dame

1852
01:39:21,787 --> 01:39:23,547
Speaker 2: Lydia Coe with a bit of work to do if

1853
01:39:23,587 --> 01:39:27,667
Speaker 2: she is to win the US Women's Open. This is

1854
01:39:28,587 --> 01:39:31,707
Speaker 2: the one of the tournaments she hasn't won. She's a

1855
01:39:31,787 --> 01:39:33,867
Speaker 2: little bit off the lead after two rounds. It was

1856
01:39:33,947 --> 01:39:37,987
Speaker 2: a weather affected second round with dangerous weather in the

1857
01:39:38,107 --> 01:39:41,307
Speaker 2: area which took the players off the course at various stages.

1858
01:39:41,387 --> 01:39:44,467
Speaker 2: Dame lydier Co eight shots off the lead, So how

1859
01:39:45,907 --> 01:39:49,667
Speaker 2: makeable is that in terms of a closing that gap?

1860
01:39:50,267 --> 01:39:52,827
Speaker 2: Can she close an eight shot lead in the remaining

1861
01:39:52,867 --> 01:39:57,587
Speaker 2: two rounds? Gary Tamato, senior writer in Wisconsin, senior golfrider

1862
01:39:57,587 --> 01:39:59,067
Speaker 2: are going to join us after this with a wrap

1863
01:39:59,147 --> 01:40:00,747
Speaker 2: of round two and I look ahead to round three

1864
01:40:00,787 --> 01:40:02,987
Speaker 2: and four. Two twenty three US Talks He'd be No.

1865
01:40:03,187 --> 01:40:09,667
Speaker 1: One Crouch Cold n Gage Sports with Jason Pain and GJ. Gunnomes,

1866
01:40:09,907 --> 01:40:13,107
Speaker 1: New Zealand's first trusted Omilder News Talks ABB.

1867
01:40:13,347 --> 01:40:15,867
Speaker 2: News TALKSB two twenty six. Name lydia Co with a

1868
01:40:15,867 --> 01:40:17,547
Speaker 2: bit of work to do if she's to compete at

1869
01:40:17,587 --> 01:40:20,987
Speaker 2: the pointy end of the latest LPGA Golf Major at

1870
01:40:21,107 --> 01:40:24,427
Speaker 2: Aaron Hills in Wisconsin. The reigning Olympic gold medalist has

1871
01:40:24,507 --> 01:40:26,707
Speaker 2: made the cut at the US Women's Open, but she

1872
01:40:26,907 --> 01:40:29,827
Speaker 2: is eight shots off the lead. Lydia Co shot one

1873
01:40:29,907 --> 01:40:33,147
Speaker 2: under today. She's even par overall in a tie for

1874
01:40:33,267 --> 01:40:37,307
Speaker 2: thirty seventh. Japan's mouth Sigor tops the leaderboard eight hundred par,

1875
01:40:37,707 --> 01:40:40,307
Speaker 2: three shots clear of a group of six players at

1876
01:40:40,387 --> 01:40:45,107
Speaker 2: five under, including current world number one Nelly Quarter. Great

1877
01:40:45,107 --> 01:40:48,107
Speaker 2: pleasure to welcome to the show. Senior writer for Wisconsin

1878
01:40:48,227 --> 01:40:51,507
Speaker 2: Dot Golf, Gary Demato. Gary, good to have you on

1879
01:40:51,547 --> 01:40:54,307
Speaker 2: the show. Play was suspended for a time today due

1880
01:40:54,307 --> 01:40:58,627
Speaker 2: to dangerous weather. Did they get the entire second round completed?

1881
01:41:00,547 --> 01:41:03,347
Speaker 6: They did that. Unfortunately, there are I believe twelve players

1882
01:41:03,387 --> 01:41:06,667
Speaker 6: who were stranded on the course. There was a delay

1883
01:41:06,947 --> 01:41:09,987
Speaker 6: weather delay of almost an hour. They got back out

1884
01:41:10,067 --> 01:41:11,387
Speaker 6: on the course toward the end of the night, but

1885
01:41:11,467 --> 01:41:14,587
Speaker 6: then darkness fell and there were some women still on

1886
01:41:14,667 --> 01:41:17,347
Speaker 6: the course. So they're going to rezoom play at I

1887
01:41:17,387 --> 01:41:18,987
Speaker 6: don't know what time it is for you guys, at

1888
01:41:19,067 --> 01:41:22,867
Speaker 6: eight thirty am Central time in Wisconsin here tomorrow. You

1889
01:41:22,987 --> 01:41:23,907
Speaker 6: figure it out from there.

1890
01:41:24,827 --> 01:41:26,787
Speaker 2: Look, I'll do the mass an hour and we'll work

1891
01:41:26,827 --> 01:41:29,987
Speaker 2: it out, Gary, no problem. So I guess there must

1892
01:41:30,027 --> 01:41:33,187
Speaker 2: have been a risk lightning struck. So I heard an

1893
01:41:33,267 --> 01:41:37,507
Speaker 2: unconfirmed report that a tree on the course was hit

1894
01:41:37,587 --> 01:41:38,107
Speaker 2: by lightning.

1895
01:41:38,227 --> 01:41:38,707
Speaker 8: Is this right?

1896
01:41:40,107 --> 01:41:43,267
Speaker 6: I believe a tree was hit. Someone texted me a

1897
01:41:43,347 --> 01:41:45,147
Speaker 6: picture of the tree that it looked like it was

1898
01:41:45,187 --> 01:41:47,427
Speaker 6: struck by lightning on the cifth Fore and it's really

1899
01:41:47,467 --> 01:41:51,147
Speaker 6: funny because there's only five trees on the inside perimeter

1900
01:41:51,227 --> 01:41:54,667
Speaker 6: of the golf course. There are virtually no trees in play,

1901
01:41:55,147 --> 01:41:57,987
Speaker 6: and only five on the entire golf course, and one

1902
01:41:58,027 --> 01:41:59,227
Speaker 6: of them apparently was struck.

1903
01:42:00,547 --> 01:42:02,427
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's look at what happened on the course.

1904
01:42:02,747 --> 01:42:04,907
Speaker 2: Dame Lydia Coe, who of course we're very interested in

1905
01:42:05,027 --> 01:42:08,987
Speaker 2: here in New Zealand strokes back. Is that too big

1906
01:42:09,067 --> 01:42:11,187
Speaker 2: a gap to contain for the one.

1907
01:42:12,987 --> 01:42:15,707
Speaker 6: I would say if there was one round left, I

1908
01:42:15,747 --> 01:42:19,147
Speaker 6: would say yes. But with thirty six holes left, I

1909
01:42:19,267 --> 01:42:21,387
Speaker 6: think she's got a chance. I mean, I don't think

1910
01:42:21,427 --> 01:42:23,587
Speaker 6: it's a good chance, but I like what she did

1911
01:42:23,627 --> 01:42:26,107
Speaker 6: in the second round. If she was outside the cut

1912
01:42:26,187 --> 01:42:28,427
Speaker 6: line and then played a great back nine with she

1913
01:42:28,547 --> 01:42:30,667
Speaker 6: made a twenty foot birdie on number ten, a nine

1914
01:42:30,707 --> 01:42:33,147
Speaker 6: footer on eleven, and a seven footer on fifteen. So

1915
01:42:33,307 --> 01:42:36,027
Speaker 6: she finished very well and I'm sure that's gonna bode

1916
01:42:36,067 --> 01:42:37,667
Speaker 6: well for her going to the third round.

1917
01:42:38,827 --> 01:42:42,707
Speaker 2: Mouse IgA shot the low round today six under. She

1918
01:42:42,747 --> 01:42:46,027
Speaker 2: has a three stroke laid over a chasing pack. What

1919
01:42:46,187 --> 01:42:48,307
Speaker 2: did she do particularly well today?

1920
01:42:50,307 --> 01:42:52,227
Speaker 6: You know, she's just got a really solid game, and

1921
01:42:52,267 --> 01:42:54,747
Speaker 6: of course she won the She won the season's first

1922
01:42:54,787 --> 01:42:58,227
Speaker 6: major championship, the Chevron Championship, first major of the year,

1923
01:42:58,547 --> 01:43:02,227
Speaker 6: back in April. So obviously she's riding a wave of confidence.

1924
01:43:02,507 --> 01:43:04,987
Speaker 6: Came in here, you know, feeling really good about her game,

1925
01:43:05,067 --> 01:43:08,627
Speaker 6: and I think she's just doing everything well. She's not

1926
01:43:08,787 --> 01:43:12,387
Speaker 6: making bad mistakes, she's keeping her ball in play, and

1927
01:43:13,347 --> 01:43:15,107
Speaker 6: you know, making a lot of powers, grinding out a

1928
01:43:15,147 --> 01:43:15,787
Speaker 6: lot of powers.

1929
01:43:17,027 --> 01:43:19,587
Speaker 2: And I guess of the chasing pack your eyes naturally

1930
01:43:19,747 --> 01:43:22,747
Speaker 2: land on the current world number one in Nellie quarter,

1931
01:43:22,907 --> 01:43:26,667
Speaker 2: Does she appeal as the most likely challenger in rounds

1932
01:43:26,707 --> 01:43:27,307
Speaker 2: three and four?

1933
01:43:28,907 --> 01:43:29,947
Speaker 6: I would say definitely.

1934
01:43:30,027 --> 01:43:30,187
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1935
01:43:30,267 --> 01:43:33,667
Speaker 6: Nelly has not has yet to win the US Women's Open,

1936
01:43:33,827 --> 01:43:36,427
Speaker 6: just like Lydia Cole has yet to win it. Nellie's

1937
01:43:36,467 --> 01:43:38,507
Speaker 6: got a lot of time though she's twenty six years old,

1938
01:43:38,547 --> 01:43:41,427
Speaker 6: but she is. She's playing very well. She made one

1939
01:43:41,507 --> 01:43:44,267
Speaker 6: hundred and twelve feet worth of puts today, but oddly

1940
01:43:44,947 --> 01:43:48,267
Speaker 6: she missed two very short puts, two puts under three feet.

1941
01:43:48,867 --> 01:43:50,547
Speaker 6: Has she made those two? You know, she'd be one

1942
01:43:50,587 --> 01:43:53,427
Speaker 6: stroke off the lead. But I believe she'll definitely be

1943
01:43:53,507 --> 01:43:55,667
Speaker 6: the player to watch over the final thirty six goals.

1944
01:43:56,227 --> 01:43:58,187
Speaker 2: Who else then, Gary who else is well placed to

1945
01:43:58,227 --> 01:43:59,187
Speaker 2: make a bit of a run at this.

1946
01:44:01,787 --> 01:44:04,627
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really interesting. Is a woman named Sarah Smells

1947
01:44:04,667 --> 01:44:07,427
Speaker 6: her who is thirty one years has never won on

1948
01:44:07,507 --> 01:44:10,187
Speaker 6: the LPGA Tour. She's been around a while and she

1949
01:44:10,307 --> 01:44:13,107
Speaker 6: played great today and she's one of the women that

1950
01:44:13,227 --> 01:44:16,827
Speaker 6: are three throws back. But you know, you come to

1951
01:44:16,867 --> 01:44:18,827
Speaker 6: the pressure of the US Women's Open and some of

1952
01:44:18,867 --> 01:44:22,347
Speaker 6: these women who have yet to win or to win

1953
01:44:22,387 --> 01:44:25,707
Speaker 6: a major championship or any tournament, you know they're going

1954
01:44:25,747 --> 01:44:27,387
Speaker 6: to be under a lot of pressure on the final

1955
01:44:27,427 --> 01:44:30,427
Speaker 6: thirty six souls. But there are several women from Japan.

1956
01:44:31,547 --> 01:44:35,787
Speaker 6: They're the top and a very strong Japanese contingent. But

1957
01:44:35,907 --> 01:44:38,027
Speaker 6: I think, really, you know those six types per second

1958
01:44:38,067 --> 01:44:42,067
Speaker 6: place and Mount Saigo and the lead, I think, you know,

1959
01:44:42,187 --> 01:44:44,267
Speaker 6: the winner probably will come from that group, would be

1960
01:44:44,347 --> 01:44:44,747
Speaker 6: my guest.

1961
01:44:45,547 --> 01:44:48,027
Speaker 2: Tell us about the courts at Aaron Hills, what are

1962
01:44:48,507 --> 01:44:49,547
Speaker 2: specific challenges?

1963
01:44:51,307 --> 01:44:54,987
Speaker 6: Yes, it's you know, as I mentioned earlier, it's wide open.

1964
01:44:55,067 --> 01:44:58,387
Speaker 6: It's a Lynks style inland Link style course. There's no ocean,

1965
01:44:58,467 --> 01:45:00,587
Speaker 6: but there's an ocean of sand. There's a ton of

1966
01:45:00,907 --> 01:45:03,667
Speaker 6: bunkers on the golf course. One hundred and thirty five bunkers,

1967
01:45:03,707 --> 01:45:05,987
Speaker 6: I believe, which is the most that the women will

1968
01:45:06,027 --> 01:45:08,867
Speaker 6: see on the LPGA Tour this year. And you know

1969
01:45:08,987 --> 01:45:11,867
Speaker 6: it's a long course. It's playing at just a little

1970
01:45:11,907 --> 01:45:14,267
Speaker 6: over sixty eight hundred yards for the women this week.

1971
01:45:15,267 --> 01:45:18,467
Speaker 6: And really what protects power on this course is the slopes,

1972
01:45:19,067 --> 01:45:21,827
Speaker 6: a lot of green surrounds closely moaned grass that if

1973
01:45:21,867 --> 01:45:23,787
Speaker 6: you miss the green, it's going to row thirty or

1974
01:45:23,827 --> 01:45:27,067
Speaker 6: forty yards down the hill. And then the wind. The

1975
01:45:27,187 --> 01:45:30,787
Speaker 6: wind blew pretty strong late in the day today, and

1976
01:45:31,107 --> 01:45:32,947
Speaker 6: I'm kind of hoping it blows on the weekend a

1977
01:45:32,987 --> 01:45:36,387
Speaker 6: little bit because that's that's what protects power. Brooks KPCUK

1978
01:45:36,547 --> 01:45:38,947
Speaker 6: set sixteen under two seventy two when he won the

1979
01:45:39,187 --> 01:45:43,067
Speaker 6: men's US Open here in twenty seventeen, and Miles Sago

1980
01:45:43,267 --> 01:45:46,787
Speaker 6: is halfway there at eight under halfway through this championship.

1981
01:45:46,867 --> 01:45:49,627
Speaker 6: So I'm hopeful we get a little bit of I'm

1982
01:45:49,667 --> 01:45:52,187
Speaker 6: hoping the course defends itself and Mother Nature comes to

1983
01:45:52,307 --> 01:45:53,027
Speaker 6: its rescue here.

1984
01:45:53,907 --> 01:45:56,947
Speaker 2: Okay, well likely not as much, well as much roth

1985
01:45:57,027 --> 01:45:59,827
Speaker 2: as she did today is the full cost bit of

1986
01:45:59,867 --> 01:46:01,307
Speaker 2: it tomorrow in Sunday.

1987
01:46:02,947 --> 01:46:03,227
Speaker 8: It is.

1988
01:46:04,347 --> 01:46:06,507
Speaker 6: It's been a very rough May in our part of

1989
01:46:06,547 --> 01:46:09,107
Speaker 6: the world here, we've had a lot of cool bes

1990
01:46:09,387 --> 01:46:12,667
Speaker 6: and rainy bees. But the weekend looks really good. Sunny

1991
01:46:12,947 --> 01:46:16,667
Speaker 6: temperatures in the mid seventies fahrenheit and a little bit

1992
01:46:16,707 --> 01:46:18,867
Speaker 6: of a breeze you or blowing at eight to twelve

1993
01:46:19,107 --> 01:46:22,747
Speaker 6: sometime maybe gusting into the upper teams miles per hour,

1994
01:46:23,227 --> 01:46:25,187
Speaker 6: so it should be ideal scoring conditions.

1995
01:46:25,227 --> 01:46:25,307
Speaker 15: Now.

1996
01:46:25,347 --> 01:46:28,147
Speaker 6: Of course, has been stoppened by some rain tonight, so

1997
01:46:28,547 --> 01:46:30,827
Speaker 6: I would suspect that we we'll see some really good

1998
01:46:30,867 --> 01:46:31,987
Speaker 6: scores on the weekend again.

1999
01:46:32,707 --> 01:46:34,227
Speaker 2: Gerry, it's been a great pleasure to have you on

2000
01:46:34,307 --> 01:46:36,467
Speaker 2: the show with your time and your expertise. Thanks so

2001
01:46:36,547 --> 01:46:38,627
Speaker 2: much for joining us across New Zealand really appreciate it

2002
01:46:39,987 --> 01:46:40,547
Speaker 2: my pleasure.

2003
01:46:40,587 --> 01:46:41,267
Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

2004
01:46:41,747 --> 01:46:44,307
Speaker 2: All the best to you. Gary Demato there, senior writer

2005
01:46:44,507 --> 01:46:48,067
Speaker 2: with Wisconsin Dot Golf. You can follow him on social

2006
01:46:48,907 --> 01:46:50,907
Speaker 2: and In terms of the leader board, as we say,

2007
01:46:51,027 --> 01:46:54,587
Speaker 2: lydia Co eight shots off the lead after two rounds.

2008
01:46:55,347 --> 01:46:58,827
Speaker 2: Mal Saiga has the lead at eight under in a

2009
01:46:58,867 --> 01:47:02,147
Speaker 2: group of six players at five under. Lydia Co is

2010
01:47:02,307 --> 01:47:06,267
Speaker 2: currently at one under the cart after sorry she's even

2011
01:47:06,627 --> 01:47:09,667
Speaker 2: shooting a one under round today. She's even part of

2012
01:47:09,707 --> 01:47:12,427
Speaker 2: the tournament. Eight shots back from the lead. Look forward

2013
01:47:12,467 --> 01:47:15,867
Speaker 2: to following her progress over the next little while. Twenty

2014
01:47:15,947 --> 01:47:21,667
Speaker 2: seven away from three rugby, the Chiefs their top after

2015
01:47:22,027 --> 01:47:25,467
Speaker 2: doing this to the Highlanders last night. Strikes it down

2016
01:47:25,507 --> 01:47:25,827
Speaker 2: the middle.

2017
01:47:25,907 --> 01:47:29,467
Speaker 3: It goes, Mackenzie's been good tonight and it is all

2018
01:47:29,587 --> 01:47:32,987
Speaker 3: over here at foursythe Bar Stadium and the Chiefs running

2019
01:47:33,027 --> 01:47:35,867
Speaker 3: out winners forty one to twenty four.

2020
01:47:36,067 --> 01:47:37,827
Speaker 2: That is the voice of Paul Allison, of course, who

2021
01:47:37,867 --> 01:47:40,707
Speaker 2: called the game for est calls all Highlanders games under

2022
01:47:40,707 --> 01:47:42,947
Speaker 2: the roof at forsythe Bar Stadium for US on gold

2023
01:47:43,027 --> 01:47:46,827
Speaker 2: Sport and iHeartRadio. So look, it brings to an end

2024
01:47:47,067 --> 01:47:49,947
Speaker 2: a fairly disappointing season for the Highlanders, doesn't it. Maybe

2025
01:47:49,987 --> 01:47:53,347
Speaker 2: we can talk about that another day, but it's looking

2026
01:47:53,467 --> 01:47:56,867
Speaker 2: increasingly as though they will finish bottom. The only thing

2027
01:47:56,947 --> 01:48:01,187
Speaker 2: that will save the Highlanders from the wooden spoon is

2028
01:48:01,627 --> 01:48:06,187
Speaker 2: if they squeak above the Fijian. Now I was going

2029
01:48:06,227 --> 01:48:08,347
Speaker 2: to no, actually it won't save them. Sorry, I was

2030
01:48:08,427 --> 01:48:11,227
Speaker 2: just going to say, if the Fiji and Drewer were

2031
01:48:11,267 --> 01:48:14,507
Speaker 2: to lose by a significant margin tonight to the Reds,

2032
01:48:15,707 --> 01:48:17,627
Speaker 2: that would put them below the Highlanders. But it won't

2033
01:48:17,667 --> 01:48:22,787
Speaker 2: because the first separator is wins. The Highlanders fourteen games,

2034
01:48:23,027 --> 01:48:27,187
Speaker 2: three wins, eleven losses. The Fiji and Drewer, even if

2035
01:48:27,227 --> 01:48:31,107
Speaker 2: they were to lose tonight, would have four wins, which

2036
01:48:31,147 --> 01:48:36,547
Speaker 2: they've already accumulated. So the Highlanders consigned to the wooden spoon. Unfortunately,

2037
01:48:36,667 --> 01:48:39,827
Speaker 2: after such promise really at the start of the season

2038
01:48:39,947 --> 01:48:43,307
Speaker 2: and high excitement over Jamie Joseph moving back into that

2039
01:48:43,387 --> 01:48:46,427
Speaker 2: head coaching role, it just hasn't come together, has it

2040
01:48:46,507 --> 01:48:49,507
Speaker 2: for the Highlanders. In twenty twenty five, by contrast, the

2041
01:48:49,627 --> 01:48:54,787
Speaker 2: Chiefs finished with an eleven win, three loss record and

2042
01:48:55,187 --> 01:48:58,067
Speaker 2: a huge points differential, helped of course by the eighty

2043
01:48:58,107 --> 01:49:01,667
Speaker 2: odd they put on Maana Pacifica last weekend plus two

2044
01:49:01,827 --> 01:49:05,307
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty one. So the Chiefs by every measure

2045
01:49:05,427 --> 01:49:09,667
Speaker 2: have been pace setters this season. In the commentary box

2046
01:49:09,987 --> 01:49:12,667
Speaker 2: as part of the team alongside Paul Allison last night

2047
01:49:12,787 --> 01:49:16,707
Speaker 2: was former Chief and former All Black Mark Ranby, and

2048
01:49:17,067 --> 01:49:19,547
Speaker 2: Paul asked him after the game whether he thought this

2049
01:49:19,747 --> 01:49:23,027
Speaker 2: Chief side could finally and I say finally, they've won

2050
01:49:23,067 --> 01:49:25,547
Speaker 2: it before, but could they after a couple of Grand

2051
01:49:25,627 --> 01:49:28,467
Speaker 2: Final losses in the last two seasons, go all the

2052
01:49:28,547 --> 01:49:29,507
Speaker 2: way this season.

2053
01:49:29,627 --> 01:49:33,067
Speaker 25: Yeah, I'm just really wrapped with the players, their ability

2054
01:49:33,427 --> 01:49:35,427
Speaker 25: to even when they come under a bit of the pump,

2055
01:49:35,507 --> 01:49:38,507
Speaker 25: they are able to, you know, just regroup. They obviously

2056
01:49:38,547 --> 01:49:42,547
Speaker 25: got the messages at halftime and execute. I think they

2057
01:49:42,627 --> 01:49:45,467
Speaker 25: love playing for each other and they know that they

2058
01:49:45,547 --> 01:49:47,027
Speaker 25: want to just look in the week in front of

2059
01:49:47,067 --> 01:49:49,987
Speaker 25: them to build to something special. But they certainly have

2060
01:49:50,107 --> 01:49:54,187
Speaker 25: got the ingredients to really go deep into this final series.

2061
01:49:54,307 --> 01:49:56,907
Speaker 2: Mark Ramby, All Black, one thousand and one. I've got

2062
01:49:56,947 --> 01:49:58,867
Speaker 2: your phone number, so I'll remind you if you get

2063
01:49:58,867 --> 01:50:00,547
Speaker 2: it wrong. Is this team going to go all the way?

2064
01:50:01,107 --> 01:50:03,147
Speaker 2: I believe this is the year. Yeah, it's not a

2065
01:50:03,187 --> 01:50:06,107
Speaker 2: particularly bold claim by Mark Ramby. And I love Mark

2066
01:50:06,147 --> 01:50:07,747
Speaker 2: ram his commentary by the way. He's been such a

2067
01:50:07,787 --> 01:50:10,987
Speaker 2: good addition to our commentary team. Because the Chiefs are

2068
01:50:12,147 --> 01:50:15,227
Speaker 2: the team to beat for me top of the table.

2069
01:50:15,307 --> 01:50:19,427
Speaker 2: So that means that unless they lose next week, which

2070
01:50:19,467 --> 01:50:21,827
Speaker 2: would still see them into the semi finals because they'd

2071
01:50:21,867 --> 01:50:25,947
Speaker 2: be the highest placed loser. And I hope you understand

2072
01:50:25,947 --> 01:50:28,147
Speaker 2: the format here without me having to explain it again.

2073
01:50:28,587 --> 01:50:30,907
Speaker 2: But even so, if they were to lose next week,

2074
01:50:31,667 --> 01:50:35,227
Speaker 2: they would give up the potential of home advantage right

2075
01:50:35,267 --> 01:50:39,347
Speaker 2: through the playoffs. But if they win next week then

2076
01:50:39,707 --> 01:50:42,587
Speaker 2: they would not have to leave Hamilton to win Super Rugby.

2077
01:50:43,427 --> 01:50:47,027
Speaker 2: They'll play the team that finishes sixth now at the moment,

2078
01:50:47,147 --> 01:50:50,347
Speaker 2: that could be more Onner Pacificer. It could be the Blues,

2079
01:50:50,867 --> 01:50:54,347
Speaker 2: or it could be the Waratahs. Whoever it is, they

2080
01:50:54,387 --> 01:50:58,587
Speaker 2: will go to Hamilton up against it. Because this chief

2081
01:50:58,707 --> 01:51:02,187
Speaker 2: side has been very, very good. It's got players back

2082
01:51:02,227 --> 01:51:04,827
Speaker 2: at the right time. It doesn't seem to have any

2083
01:51:04,907 --> 01:51:07,827
Speaker 2: major injury problems. Although something the Quintu pile last night.

2084
01:51:07,867 --> 01:51:12,187
Speaker 2: Did I see so come off? I didn't catch the game.

2085
01:51:12,227 --> 01:51:14,987
Speaker 2: I was at a function last night, but Quinta Pire

2086
01:51:15,587 --> 01:51:16,747
Speaker 2: picked up an injury.

2087
01:51:16,507 --> 01:51:17,267
Speaker 17: Of some sort.

2088
01:51:17,307 --> 01:51:19,267
Speaker 2: I saw him post on social media that is okay,

2089
01:51:19,507 --> 01:51:21,747
Speaker 2: look like I think he might have got rucked. Did

2090
01:51:21,827 --> 01:51:25,627
Speaker 2: he got on the wrong side of a ruck maybe

2091
01:51:25,667 --> 01:51:28,187
Speaker 2: opened up a cut on his face. I'll check that.

2092
01:51:28,667 --> 01:51:31,067
Speaker 2: But they seem to have all of their pieces in place.

2093
01:51:31,227 --> 01:51:34,027
Speaker 2: The Chief's good depth players coming back at any Nano

2094
01:51:34,067 --> 01:51:37,227
Speaker 2: Saturo also coming back in so at the start of

2095
01:51:37,267 --> 01:51:38,827
Speaker 2: the season, the Chiefs kind of had to work their

2096
01:51:38,867 --> 01:51:43,067
Speaker 2: way through a little bit of unavailability, but coming right

2097
01:51:43,507 --> 01:51:45,827
Speaker 2: absolutely at the right time. They lost the Grand Final

2098
01:51:45,907 --> 01:51:48,427
Speaker 2: two years ago when they were the best side during

2099
01:51:48,467 --> 01:51:52,467
Speaker 2: the regular season. They welcomed the Crusaders up to Hamilton

2100
01:51:52,547 --> 01:51:55,107
Speaker 2: and the Crusaders did a number on them. Last year.

2101
01:51:55,147 --> 01:51:57,347
Speaker 2: They weren't quite as dominant during the regular season, but

2102
01:51:57,467 --> 01:52:00,747
Speaker 2: were terrific in the semi final against the Hurricanes, before

2103
01:52:00,827 --> 01:52:03,947
Speaker 2: losing rather convincingly in the final at Eden Park to

2104
01:52:04,027 --> 01:52:07,867
Speaker 2: the Blues. Surely, with Layton McMillan about to head off

2105
01:52:07,947 --> 01:52:12,067
Speaker 2: shore to take up his new coaching gig at Munster,

2106
01:52:12,787 --> 01:52:15,907
Speaker 2: they will be sending him off with a win, surely

2107
01:52:15,987 --> 01:52:19,267
Speaker 2: to goodness. Second game last night was out in Canberra.

2108
01:52:19,907 --> 01:52:23,307
Speaker 4: George Bell as the ball under his left arm. It's

2109
01:52:23,387 --> 01:52:26,747
Speaker 4: not going anywhere at first instance from the Crusaders. Now

2110
01:52:26,787 --> 01:52:28,867
Speaker 4: they get a second jump, Bell breaks down a point.

2111
01:52:29,027 --> 01:52:34,027
Speaker 4: George Bell over the line, scores a try. Bells bringouts

2112
01:52:34,387 --> 01:52:35,347
Speaker 4: across campright.

2113
01:52:35,427 --> 01:52:37,387
Speaker 5: George Bell scores a try.

2114
01:52:37,427 --> 01:52:39,147
Speaker 8: Crusaders back in front.

2115
01:52:39,347 --> 01:52:41,387
Speaker 2: I love it from Elliot Smith on the call last night.

2116
01:52:41,467 --> 01:52:44,027
Speaker 2: So that was a late try from the Crusaders which

2117
01:52:44,067 --> 01:52:47,667
Speaker 2: eventually got them across the line against the Brumbies thirty

2118
01:52:47,787 --> 01:52:51,147
Speaker 2: three thirty one. George Bell dotting down in the seventy

2119
01:52:51,307 --> 01:52:54,427
Speaker 2: seventh minute to give them the lead. They were actually

2120
01:52:54,507 --> 01:52:58,427
Speaker 2: head for long periods of this game the Crusaders. At

2121
01:52:58,467 --> 01:53:02,147
Speaker 2: halftime they were twenty five fourteen ahead. A penalty shortly

2122
01:53:02,187 --> 01:53:05,347
Speaker 2: after halftime had them twenty eight to fourteen ahead, but

2123
01:53:05,507 --> 01:53:09,467
Speaker 2: then who converted tries in a penalty got the Brumbies

2124
01:53:09,507 --> 01:53:13,467
Speaker 2: in front before George Bell's late late show got them

2125
01:53:13,507 --> 01:53:16,867
Speaker 2: the win. So the Crusader's lock in second place after

2126
01:53:16,947 --> 01:53:19,987
Speaker 2: what happened last year, they will be utterly delighted, I'm sure.

2127
01:53:20,267 --> 01:53:24,027
Speaker 2: But being the Crusaders and being the perfectionists and the

2128
01:53:24,147 --> 01:53:26,747
Speaker 2: chasers of excellence that they are, they will certainly not

2129
01:53:26,867 --> 01:53:30,347
Speaker 2: be satisfied with just being in. Amongst the playoffs. They

2130
01:53:30,387 --> 01:53:34,827
Speaker 2: will play the team who eventually finishes fifth. That could

2131
01:53:34,867 --> 01:53:38,667
Speaker 2: be the Reds, it could be the Hurricanes. It could

2132
01:53:38,747 --> 01:53:44,347
Speaker 2: potentially be more under PACIFICA as well, depending on results tonight.

2133
01:53:44,387 --> 01:53:47,187
Speaker 2: But whoever goes to christ Church, similar to whoever goes

2134
01:53:47,227 --> 01:53:50,147
Speaker 2: to Hamilton, will be up against it. Cody Taylor captain

2135
01:53:50,187 --> 01:53:51,907
Speaker 2: the side last night. How tough was the game?

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01:53:52,507 --> 01:53:54,587
Speaker 7: Brums are a great side. There's a reason they meant

2137
01:53:54,587 --> 01:53:58,747
Speaker 7: in the playoffs every year and when you're to come

2138
01:53:58,787 --> 01:54:03,787
Speaker 7: over here and really front are physically. Last year they

2139
01:54:03,827 --> 01:54:06,067
Speaker 7: went down to the wire and we're on the side

2140
01:54:06,067 --> 01:54:09,707
Speaker 7: of that. This year it was around the other way,

2141
01:54:09,747 --> 01:54:14,627
Speaker 7: and this competition has been on that every week. We've

2142
01:54:14,667 --> 01:54:16,987
Speaker 7: been on the receiving end of a couple of tough losses,

2143
01:54:17,067 --> 01:54:20,627
Speaker 7: but also had some great wins. And this was a

2144
01:54:20,667 --> 01:54:25,547
Speaker 7: close battle and this is exactly what you want to

2145
01:54:25,667 --> 01:54:27,947
Speaker 7: come crunch tom as well. Were playoffs to look forward

2146
01:54:27,947 --> 01:54:31,147
Speaker 7: to and both teams do, so wish them all the

2147
01:54:31,227 --> 01:54:33,587
Speaker 7: best and we look forward.

2148
01:54:33,867 --> 01:54:36,467
Speaker 2: So that's Cody Taylor off the back of the win

2149
01:54:36,507 --> 01:54:38,907
Speaker 2: over the Brumbies last night. So three straight wins to

2150
01:54:39,027 --> 01:54:42,187
Speaker 2: end the regular season for the Crusaders and in fact

2151
01:54:43,107 --> 01:54:46,027
Speaker 2: I think that makes it seven wins from their last eight.

2152
01:54:46,267 --> 01:54:48,627
Speaker 2: The only blot on that copy book was the loss

2153
01:54:48,667 --> 01:54:50,627
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs and you can hardly be blamed for

2154
01:54:50,707 --> 01:54:53,187
Speaker 2: that given how good they are. So the Crusaders go

2155
01:54:53,307 --> 01:54:57,987
Speaker 2: into finals in good hearts. Three games today before we

2156
01:54:58,147 --> 01:55:00,907
Speaker 2: know the makeup of the top six. Blues v. War

2157
01:55:00,947 --> 01:55:03,787
Speaker 2: A Tars four thirty five at Eden Park. The war

2158
01:55:03,907 --> 01:55:06,707
Speaker 2: Tars haven't won at Eden Park for quite time, I

2159
01:55:06,747 --> 01:55:09,387
Speaker 2: think two thousand and nine was the last time they

2160
01:55:09,507 --> 01:55:14,067
Speaker 2: won their Blues paying a dollar four the Waratars nine dollars.

2161
01:55:14,107 --> 01:55:16,667
Speaker 2: Blues should win that game. All things being equal, the

2162
01:55:16,707 --> 01:55:20,347
Speaker 2: Blues should win that game. Then they wait for the

2163
01:55:20,427 --> 01:55:23,387
Speaker 2: result in the next game, which is the Hurricanes against

2164
01:55:23,467 --> 01:55:27,867
Speaker 2: Mowana Pacifica. If the Blues were to win and Mojana

2165
01:55:27,907 --> 01:55:30,427
Speaker 2: Pacifica were to win, they're both on twenty eight points

2166
01:55:30,427 --> 01:55:32,467
Speaker 2: at the moment, So if they got the same number

2167
01:55:32,507 --> 01:55:34,987
Speaker 2: of points, let's you know, they both got the four

2168
01:55:35,027 --> 01:55:37,627
Speaker 2: points for the win, or they both got the bonus point,

2169
01:55:37,667 --> 01:55:40,507
Speaker 2: they would be level on points. More Wanna Pacificer have

2170
01:55:40,627 --> 01:55:43,867
Speaker 2: the advantage because they've won more games than the Blues have.

2171
01:55:44,467 --> 01:55:46,787
Speaker 2: So if Moana Pacifica and the Blues end up level

2172
01:55:46,867 --> 01:55:50,067
Speaker 2: on points, Moaana Pacifica will make the six. But in

2173
01:55:50,267 --> 01:55:53,107
Speaker 2: order to do that, they'll almost certainly have to beat

2174
01:55:53,107 --> 01:55:56,467
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes, because the Blues will almost certainly beat the Waratars.

2175
01:55:56,787 --> 01:56:01,187
Speaker 2: Later on tonight, reds Fijian Drewer, gold Sport and iHeartRadio

2176
01:56:01,467 --> 01:56:04,627
Speaker 2: as commentary of Blues Waratar's four thirty five Hurricanes more

2177
01:56:04,667 --> 01:56:08,347
Speaker 2: in A Pacifica five pass seven, it's eighteen away from three.

2178
01:56:08,387 --> 01:56:10,267
Speaker 2: You're going to take a break and then speak to

2179
01:56:11,107 --> 01:56:14,267
Speaker 2: one of the one of the mobilizers of the Mowana

2180
01:56:14,307 --> 01:56:17,667
Speaker 2: Pacifica support crew in the capital tonight, because, as I

2181
01:56:17,747 --> 01:56:19,947
Speaker 2: mentioned before, by the sounds of it is going to

2182
01:56:19,987 --> 01:56:24,067
Speaker 2: be a huge contingent of Mowana Pacifica fans at sky

2183
01:56:24,187 --> 01:56:27,347
Speaker 2: Stadium tonight. Who knows, maybe even as much, if not

2184
01:56:27,547 --> 01:56:30,587
Speaker 2: more than the number of supporters there for the hurricanes

2185
01:56:30,627 --> 01:56:33,387
Speaker 2: will be a great occasion, regardless, we'll find out more

2186
01:56:33,387 --> 01:56:34,907
Speaker 2: when we come back here at News Talks there'll be

2187
01:56:34,947 --> 01:56:35,987
Speaker 2: coming up seventeen to three.

2188
01:56:37,347 --> 01:56:40,227
Speaker 1: You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred

2189
01:56:40,227 --> 01:56:43,267
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty weekends for it with Jason him

2190
01:56:43,507 --> 01:56:48,107
Speaker 1: and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks, there'd.

2191
01:56:47,947 --> 01:56:50,867
Speaker 2: Be coming up fourteen to three. As mentioned, there'll be

2192
01:56:50,947 --> 01:56:53,627
Speaker 2: major support for Mowana Pacifica when they face the hurricanes

2193
01:56:53,627 --> 01:56:58,347
Speaker 2: at sky Stadium tonight. Comedian Torfinger Fipple from The Laughing

2194
01:56:58,547 --> 01:57:02,307
Speaker 2: Sar Morns is with us. Wise, love you your comedy work,

2195
01:57:02,387 --> 01:57:04,867
Speaker 2: Dolf Finger, Thanks for joining us. How many mo Wana

2196
01:57:04,907 --> 01:57:08,947
Speaker 2: Pacifica supporters? Jurek and you'll get along there tonight well.

2197
01:57:10,307 --> 01:57:12,587
Speaker 23: If it's go by the numbers that we had at

2198
01:57:12,627 --> 01:57:15,347
Speaker 23: the airport, we had hundreds at the airport yesterday, and

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01:57:15,427 --> 01:57:18,387
Speaker 23: that was only a faction of many who are going

2200
01:57:18,467 --> 01:57:22,507
Speaker 23: to be there tonight. It's gonna be awesome. I think

2201
01:57:23,187 --> 01:57:25,107
Speaker 23: people were trying to get tickets in the aisle that

2202
01:57:25,187 --> 01:57:27,427
Speaker 23: we were trying to get Iron nineteen that's all booked out.

2203
01:57:27,947 --> 01:57:31,067
Speaker 23: I think twenty's booked out, gone as fined down as

2204
01:57:31,227 --> 01:57:35,267
Speaker 23: thirty and fourteen. So you've probably got more than half

2205
01:57:35,307 --> 01:57:38,227
Speaker 23: the stadium there tonight, so and probably even you know,

2206
01:57:38,387 --> 01:57:42,427
Speaker 23: walk walk up crowds. Was this beautiful weather that we're

2207
01:57:42,467 --> 01:57:44,227
Speaker 23: gone willing to say, I think it's gonna be a

2208
01:57:44,267 --> 01:57:47,467
Speaker 23: great celebration tonight. It's gonna be fun, you know, regardless

2209
01:57:47,587 --> 01:57:52,067
Speaker 23: of result for either team, but it's definitely for month Pasifica.

2210
01:57:52,787 --> 01:57:54,227
Speaker 23: A lot of the people are coming, a lot of

2211
01:57:54,307 --> 01:57:56,627
Speaker 23: them it is their first time ever at the stadium.

2212
01:57:57,107 --> 01:57:58,827
Speaker 23: So and then that's what it's all about. We want

2213
01:57:58,867 --> 01:58:01,467
Speaker 23: to bring the new fans, you know, bring the vibe,

2214
01:58:01,547 --> 01:58:04,387
Speaker 23: you know, all the singing, the colors, the dancing, and

2215
01:58:04,507 --> 01:58:06,427
Speaker 23: I just really enjoy some good Rugby.

2216
01:58:06,187 --> 01:58:11,307
Speaker 2: To absolutely absolutely and as much energy and enthusiasm in

2217
01:58:11,427 --> 01:58:13,347
Speaker 2: the stands as well by the sounds of things. Tell

2218
01:58:13,427 --> 01:58:15,387
Speaker 2: us about the greeting that the team got at the

2219
01:58:15,427 --> 01:58:17,667
Speaker 2: airport yesterday. I've seen some footage, but what was it

2220
01:58:17,787 --> 01:58:21,067
Speaker 2: like when the when the team emerged into Wellington Airport yesterday.

2221
01:58:21,747 --> 01:58:24,667
Speaker 23: Yeah, well, I think for not just for Muana, but

2222
01:58:24,867 --> 01:58:28,267
Speaker 23: probably mostly for our Wellington boys. As you mentioned the

2223
01:58:28,387 --> 01:58:33,787
Speaker 23: Sawba brothers, you know Uhnmanga. I don't think they realized

2224
01:58:34,947 --> 01:58:37,667
Speaker 23: the support that they had. They were quite emotional at

2225
01:58:37,707 --> 01:58:41,347
Speaker 23: the welcome. It was a great opportunity. We had, you know,

2226
01:58:41,707 --> 01:58:44,667
Speaker 23: a whole mix of our community, Pasifica community. We had

2227
01:58:44,707 --> 01:58:48,627
Speaker 23: our Cook Island community from Potida welcomed them with the tudro.

2228
01:58:49,747 --> 01:58:55,067
Speaker 23: We had the kids from Scott's College. They did I

2229
01:58:55,147 --> 01:58:57,827
Speaker 23: took a low item, sang a song. We even had

2230
01:58:57,867 --> 01:59:02,027
Speaker 23: the Arias Magplace Junior Rugby there and and many of

2231
01:59:02,107 --> 01:59:04,907
Speaker 23: our elders and young people and just supporters of one

2232
01:59:04,947 --> 01:59:08,827
Speaker 23: Pasifica that all haing with flags and everything. We took

2233
01:59:08,827 --> 01:59:11,587
Speaker 23: about ten to fifteen minutes for the welcome, but they

2234
01:59:11,667 --> 01:59:13,707
Speaker 23: hung around at the airport just to meet the people

2235
01:59:13,787 --> 01:59:15,307
Speaker 23: and they were really appreciative.

2236
01:59:15,347 --> 01:59:16,067
Speaker 8: I think one of the.

2237
01:59:17,667 --> 01:59:21,747
Speaker 23: The key and awesome parts of the welcome was mother,

2238
01:59:22,387 --> 01:59:27,707
Speaker 23: the manager of Scott's First in Rugby, presented Jackson with

2239
01:59:28,787 --> 01:59:32,227
Speaker 23: Bishop with his brother's jerusey because they both attended Scott's,

2240
01:59:32,707 --> 01:59:36,627
Speaker 23: and presented him with a Scott's jersey, just to pay

2241
01:59:36,707 --> 01:59:39,347
Speaker 23: tribute to his brother and to wish them are abast

2242
01:59:39,387 --> 01:59:40,067
Speaker 23: for the game tonight.

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01:59:40,187 --> 01:59:43,507
Speaker 2: No, that's outstanding near what an emotional moment for Jackson,

2244
01:59:43,547 --> 01:59:46,387
Speaker 2: Garden Besham and oriented Romtid. Of course that's ADDIE's old club,

2245
01:59:46,467 --> 01:59:46,707
Speaker 2: isn't it.

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01:59:47,547 --> 01:59:50,707
Speaker 23: Yeah, that's always as old club. We even had Romatich

2247
01:59:50,747 --> 01:59:54,027
Speaker 23: College they're doing their old school. So yeah, it was

2248
01:59:54,107 --> 01:59:56,067
Speaker 23: our whole friendly a fair I mean it was it

2249
01:59:56,147 --> 02:00:01,427
Speaker 23: was about celebrating Basfeica, celebrating us as kiwis and just

2250
02:00:01,547 --> 02:00:03,827
Speaker 23: really looking forward to having a great time tonight.

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Speaker 2: It's it's such a good blowprint. Isn't it Toughinger to

2252
02:00:07,387 --> 02:00:09,867
Speaker 2: have visiting? You know, to have I mean because Mowana

2253
02:00:09,907 --> 02:00:12,907
Speaker 2: are effectively the away team tonight, but you know it'll

2254
02:00:12,907 --> 02:00:15,507
Speaker 2: probably feel like a home game for them. But why

2255
02:00:15,587 --> 02:00:17,867
Speaker 2: shouldn't fans travel like this? And I think Mowana have

2256
02:00:17,947 --> 02:00:20,227
Speaker 2: shown us the way in terms of the way that

2257
02:00:20,307 --> 02:00:22,987
Speaker 2: you support your team as you say, the result doesn't

2258
02:00:23,067 --> 02:00:25,627
Speaker 2: really matter, although they've had some terrific results this season.

2259
02:00:25,947 --> 02:00:27,747
Speaker 2: Get into the stands and support your team.

2260
02:00:28,787 --> 02:00:30,747
Speaker 23: Yeah, I think that's the key really. I mean, I

2261
02:00:31,107 --> 02:00:34,987
Speaker 23: like the way how the Willington Phoenix Stewart and also

2262
02:00:35,067 --> 02:00:38,147
Speaker 23: the Auckland Football club. You know, when you go to Auckland,

2263
02:00:38,467 --> 02:00:42,107
Speaker 23: they've got you know, gates or stands in seats they

2264
02:00:42,147 --> 02:00:45,507
Speaker 23: are blocked out for the visiting team. And I think,

2265
02:00:45,587 --> 02:00:47,307
Speaker 23: you know, it'd be awesome for people to be able

2266
02:00:47,347 --> 02:00:49,187
Speaker 23: to do that in the different stadiums because you know

2267
02:00:49,667 --> 02:00:51,467
Speaker 23: they're going to be teams that go to play Hurricanes

2268
02:00:51,467 --> 02:00:53,347
Speaker 23: and they'll be fancy. It'd be good for all of

2269
02:00:53,427 --> 02:00:55,827
Speaker 23: them to come together again because they're making also together

2270
02:00:55,867 --> 02:00:59,307
Speaker 23: they can all do their their team chant or songs

2271
02:00:59,427 --> 02:01:02,067
Speaker 23: and all that sort of stuff and it just adds.

2272
02:01:02,107 --> 02:01:04,027
Speaker 23: So the whole atmosphere love it, love it.

2273
02:01:04,107 --> 02:01:08,107
Speaker 2: So I'll nineteen or twenty probably spilling out beyond that tonight.

2274
02:01:08,187 --> 02:01:09,027
Speaker 2: That's where we'll find you.

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02:01:09,907 --> 02:01:12,387
Speaker 23: Yep, that will definitely be there. If you can't can't

2276
02:01:12,387 --> 02:01:13,627
Speaker 23: see us, then you're definitely hearing.

2277
02:01:14,387 --> 02:01:14,867
Speaker 8: I love it.

2278
02:01:15,307 --> 02:01:17,507
Speaker 2: Think a great chat mate. Enjoy the night tonight, I'm

2279
02:01:17,507 --> 02:01:20,987
Speaker 2: sure you're will thank you now, just talking from the

2280
02:01:21,107 --> 02:01:24,307
Speaker 2: laughing salmor and so yeah, berg in flux of Wier

2281
02:01:24,347 --> 02:01:27,547
Speaker 2: Pacifica fans getting there tonight. And I think wouldn't it

2282
02:01:27,627 --> 02:01:29,227
Speaker 2: be great if there's if there was a bit more

2283
02:01:29,667 --> 02:01:34,187
Speaker 2: tribalism or at least some organized support for away rugby fans,

2284
02:01:34,907 --> 02:01:37,027
Speaker 2: because I mean, you know, it's it's part of our nature,

2285
02:01:37,027 --> 02:01:38,907
Speaker 2: you know, and it's a great part of our of

2286
02:01:39,027 --> 02:01:41,667
Speaker 2: our nature that we can sit side by side. You know,

2287
02:01:41,907 --> 02:01:44,107
Speaker 2: there'll be you know, when there's a game between the

2288
02:01:44,147 --> 02:01:46,707
Speaker 2: crusaderes and the Chiefs, there's Chiefs jerseys in the middle

2289
02:01:46,707 --> 02:01:49,507
Speaker 2: of the Crusaders fans and vice versa. But if you

2290
02:01:49,507 --> 02:01:52,227
Speaker 2: could get them all together, should should our super rugby

2291
02:01:52,387 --> 02:01:56,307
Speaker 2: teams look at doing that, having an away bay where

2292
02:01:56,347 --> 02:02:00,147
Speaker 2: everybody who supports the away team gathers, because there's something

2293
02:02:00,187 --> 02:02:03,787
Speaker 2: special about supporting your team away, isn't there. I think

2294
02:02:03,867 --> 02:02:06,227
Speaker 2: Wina Pacific I might be onto something here. Looking forward

2295
02:02:06,227 --> 02:02:09,547
Speaker 2: to seeing Isles nineteen and twenty and the others tonight

2296
02:02:09,627 --> 02:02:12,987
Speaker 2: down there at sky Stadium ninety three News talks itb.

2297
02:02:14,707 --> 02:02:17,307
Speaker 1: The scoop from the track fields and the court on

2298
02:02:17,467 --> 02:02:20,867
Speaker 1: your home of Sord weekends for it with Jason Vine

2299
02:02:20,947 --> 02:02:21,987
Speaker 1: the News talks eNB.

2300
02:02:22,827 --> 02:02:25,267
Speaker 2: On text from Tony Jason. This is a dress rehearsal

2301
02:02:25,307 --> 02:02:28,667
Speaker 2: for the Hurricanes tonight when they faced the Brumbies next week.

2302
02:02:28,667 --> 02:02:31,507
Speaker 2: The Brumbies got away with multiple phases without the Crusaders

2303
02:02:31,587 --> 02:02:33,827
Speaker 2: pinching the ball off them last night. It'll be interesting

2304
02:02:33,907 --> 02:02:37,187
Speaker 2: to see the average number of rucks Muana put together

2305
02:02:37,547 --> 02:02:40,267
Speaker 2: before Codifi and Co strike tonight. It was the undoing

2306
02:02:40,307 --> 02:02:42,747
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs. I hope the Canes emulate it again

2307
02:02:42,827 --> 02:02:44,867
Speaker 2: tonight and good to see the back line combo too

2308
02:02:44,907 --> 02:02:48,107
Speaker 2: with Reuben Love back at fullback of the Canes. Thanks Tony.

2309
02:02:48,187 --> 02:02:50,987
Speaker 2: Yet could well be Brumby's Hurricanes next week. That's a

2310
02:02:51,147 --> 02:02:54,427
Speaker 2: highly likely scenario. Three plays four and the Hurricanes of

2311
02:02:54,467 --> 02:02:57,147
Speaker 2: course got the win over there, which was fairly rare

2312
02:02:57,307 --> 02:02:59,987
Speaker 2: in the last couple of seasons. So I don't think

2313
02:02:59,987 --> 02:03:01,667
Speaker 2: they have any fear if it is in fact Canberra

2314
02:03:01,827 --> 02:03:04,827
Speaker 2: that they are headed for. That is the show for today.

2315
02:03:04,947 --> 02:03:07,507
Speaker 2: Just quick peek arhead to tomorrow after midday. All of

2316
02:03:07,587 --> 02:03:10,907
Speaker 2: the head coaches, the New Zealand based ones left standing

2317
02:03:10,987 --> 02:03:13,667
Speaker 2: in Super Rugby are joining us after midday tomorrow. Not

2318
02:03:13,747 --> 02:03:16,027
Speaker 2: all at the same time, I think we'll question them separately,

2319
02:03:16,307 --> 02:03:18,507
Speaker 2: Clayton McMillan out of the Chiefs, Rob Penny out of

2320
02:03:18,547 --> 02:03:22,387
Speaker 2: the Crusaders, Clark Laidlaw out of the Hurricanes and one

2321
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Speaker 2: of we Hope tana Umanga from Winer pacifica will Vern

2322
02:03:26,107 --> 02:03:28,667
Speaker 2: Cotter from the Blues. Otherwise it all be three and

2323
02:03:28,787 --> 02:03:31,067
Speaker 2: three and the warrit Us would somehow have got in there.

2324
02:03:31,107 --> 02:03:33,427
Speaker 2: Look Metcalf out of the Warriors tomorrow as well, out

2325
02:03:33,467 --> 02:03:35,867
Speaker 2: of their match against the rabbit Os. Tim Beverage after

2326
02:03:35,987 --> 02:03:40,147
Speaker 2: three Huge thanks for listening in. Massive kudos to Andy

2327
02:03:40,227 --> 02:03:42,907
Speaker 2: McDonell for producing the show. As always, our final day

2328
02:03:42,907 --> 02:03:44,907
Speaker 2: of New Zealand Music Month. Are we marking it in

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Speaker 2: any particular way, Andy, We're marking it with a song

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Speaker 2: from a New Zealand artist, piny On.

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Speaker 6: Lord.

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Speaker 26: She's got a new album coming out. She's performing, of

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Speaker 26: all place at the Auckland Central YMCA throughout the week,

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Speaker 26: which is an interesting spot to perform. But anyway, here's

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Speaker 26: a song I've picked from Here's It's Team, which is

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Speaker 26: i'd say probably my favorite one of lord songs I

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Speaker 26: think from her first first album was appointing.

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Speaker 2: You know, do you think she'll do a cover of

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Speaker 2: Y M c A.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 2: I don't, but that would be pretty cool if you

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Speaker 2: did say the mark.

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