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Speaker 1: Digging through the spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 2: Soring.

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Speaker 3: It's Heather Dupersylan Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected,

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Speaker 3: News Talks.

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Speaker 4: AV Afternoon, Welcome to the Show. Later apparently has learned

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Speaker 4: nothing on the Mary Party punishment debate, Desley Simpson isn't

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Speaker 4: running for Auckland mayor, and we're running out of gas

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Speaker 4: faster than we thought. Again all of that on.

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Speaker 1: The show, Heather Dupercy Elo look on this.

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Speaker 4: Case of the Beehive staffer who's been caught filming women

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Speaker 4: on his phone. It seems to me that most of

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Speaker 4: the focus at the moment is being put on how

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Speaker 4: it was that he was given permission to work in

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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister's office despite the fact that he was

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Speaker 4: obviously a creep. Now, I don't actually think this is

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Speaker 4: the most pressing question, because if you think about it,

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Speaker 4: how on earth would vetting someone for a job uncover

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Speaker 4: the fact that they are a creep if they are

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Speaker 4: actively keeping secret the fact that they are a creep. Right,

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Speaker 4: if it's a secret, it's a secret, you're not going

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Speaker 4: to be You're not gonna find it out no matter

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Speaker 4: how well you vet. To me, the most pressing question

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Speaker 4: is why the police didn't bust it open and charge

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Speaker 4: the guy when they had the opportunity. I mean, some

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Speaker 4: of what he did was not an offense. Okay, recording

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Speaker 4: audio recording the sex workers was not an offense, so

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Speaker 4: I can understand the police couldn't go down that particular route.

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Speaker 4: But filming women getting changed at night through their windows

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Speaker 4: is definitely an offense. Like go to the statute books.

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Speaker 4: There are at least a couple of ways you can

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Speaker 4: charge the guy for that. So why didn't the cops

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Speaker 4: charge him for it? Because it feels to me like

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Speaker 4: this is actually a priority area, right. This is a

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Speaker 4: much higher level of creepiness than audio recording a sex

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Speaker 4: worker or photographing a woman fully clothed at the gym.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to minimize how creepy that is. That

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Speaker 4: is a level of creepiness, but it is definitely a

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Speaker 4: higher level of menace to be filming a women only

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Speaker 4: partially clothed with no top on as she walks around

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Speaker 4: her house at night, which apparently is at least one

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Speaker 4: of the examples, and there were apparently reportedly cases of

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Speaker 4: this happening. Now I do understand, we do not know

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Speaker 4: all of the details of what police were considering here,

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Speaker 4: and perhaps you know, this may have been kind of

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Speaker 4: a difficult thing for them to be able to charge.

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Speaker 4: I want to hear from them. What was the obstacle here?

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Speaker 4: What evidence did they not have in order to be

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Speaker 4: able to charge them? Did they not know who the

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Speaker 4: to find those women in order to confirm that the

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Speaker 4: filming wasn't consensual in order for the case to work.

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Speaker 4: Did he have the geo location on his phone? You

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Speaker 4: know that shows where you take the photographs that could

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Speaker 4: have pinned the house. Did he have that turned off?

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Speaker 4: Did he have that turned off? It turned on? If

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Speaker 4: they had none of this, did they go looking for

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Speaker 4: did they look? Because to my mind, when you've got

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Speaker 4: a priority. That's not just retail theft. That is something

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Speaker 4: very very creepy. And actually, if they had managed to

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Speaker 4: figure this out and managed to charge him, they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Minister's office, Heather Duplessy.

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Speaker 4: Ellen nine nine two. As I say, text, you know,

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Speaker 4: to us and answer these questions. I'll bring you that

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Speaker 4: as soon as I possibly can. Now, onto another subject,

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Speaker 4: the Commerce Commission fired another shot across the supermarket duopoly bows.

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Speaker 4: The ComCom says that the supermarkets are charging suppliers for

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Speaker 4: things like stocking shelves and this has got to stop now.

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Speaker 4: Matthew Lane is Night and Day general manager. He's read

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Speaker 4: the ComCom report and.

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Speaker 4: Now, how mathe afternoon, Heather? Is that is that what's

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Speaker 4: going on and the supplies being charged for stocking shelves.

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Speaker 5: There is certainly a practice that does happen in the

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Speaker 5: surf market industry. But what's most encouraging for us is

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Speaker 5: that the comcoms cracking down on the fact that other

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Speaker 5: retailers are being charged more for their wholesale than what

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Speaker 5: are the surfermarkets are actually retailing the same products for it.

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Speaker 5: Give me an example, So example is if we buy

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Speaker 5: a bag of flour wholesale off them, could be three

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Speaker 5: to buy as well, but then the supply gives them

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Speaker 4: Why are they how does this rebate thing work? Why

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Speaker 4: would a supply give them a rebate?

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Speaker 5: It's to target the investment into the players with the

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Speaker 5: the possession in the market, they end up being looked

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Speaker 5: after a bit more. But then also the surf markets

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Speaker 4: Does it give the supply gives them a rebate, maybe

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Speaker 4: gives them prominence on the shelf or something like that.

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Speaker 5: Could be, or even just reduce the cost price versus

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Speaker 4: Okay, now, what is the Commerce Commission going to do

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Speaker 5: So they have sent a shot across the bower to

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Speaker 5: the supermarkets. At the moment it's acknowledged they receive five

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Speaker 5: surf markets. We're given a clear mandate set up wholesale.

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Speaker 5: They have set it up, but it's not competitive and

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Speaker 5: unfortunately it's probably cheap of the me to go with

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Speaker 4: What I'm trying to get to is that the Commers

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Speaker 4: Mission is doing nothing about it but talking right, it's

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Speaker 4: just jaw boning. How much of this jaw boning do

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it would seem light to see action if we

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Speaker 5: a step by step. I think that would certainly create momentum.

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Speaker 4: We've got to getting frustrated.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely frustrating. The rules are high, but I guess when

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Speaker 5: when the market's been this way for twenty five years,

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Speaker 5: you've probably become a bit more accustomed to it because

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Speaker 5: it's the strongest signals we've had that change is coming.

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Speaker 5: We're trusting the fact change is coming, but you know,

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Speaker 5: I think there's the strongest signals so far that change

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Speaker 5: do it voluntarily, and if not, once again the Commas

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Speaker 4: When, Because we're getting signals that change is coming. When

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Speaker 5: So they've been given twelve months to pass on all

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Speaker 5: so we can get access to the cheapest sugar in

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Speaker 4: I think you must understanding my question right. If we're

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Speaker 4: what does that change look like.

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Speaker 5: The change looks like effectively lower cost.

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Speaker 4: To the contribut But how do we get there?

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Speaker 5: How do we get there? It's a good question. I

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Speaker 4: This is what I'm starting to get really frustrated with this.

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Speaker 4: Are you not, like, how long have we been talking

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Speaker 4: about supermarkets? We were talking about supermarkets when Jacinda was

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is correct. So I've spent about four years

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're probably more frustrated than I am. Matthew, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Matthew Lane, Night and day, general Manager.

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Speaker 4: I just worry. Do you not worry? Well, I don't

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Speaker 4: worry that much, but I I just think that possibly

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Speaker 4: the ComCom and the grocery Commissioner, and if Nikola doesn't

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Speaker 4: watch out, the Finance minister as well, are going to

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Speaker 4: turn into the boy who cried wolf. You know the

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Speaker 4: like the weak parent is like, don't do that, or

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Speaker 4: I'm going to take that away from you. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: Hey day three of the Mushroom Chef on the stand.

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Speaker 4: Murray Olds will talk us through it when he's with us.

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Speaker 4: At eighteen past four and right now we have Darcy

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Speaker 4: Walter Graves Sportstalok Coast dars Hey, Heather, what's going on

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Speaker 4: with hurricanes?

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Speaker 6: Well Amoor is not traveling and he might not be

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Speaker 6: there either when it comes to the point that Enith

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Speaker 6: but he got a knee injury and he was I'm

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Speaker 6: well advised by media in Wellington he was basically in

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Speaker 6: scold agree with the opposition the Brummys. I've got no idea.

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Speaker 6: But he's not going to be there, which is it's

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Speaker 6: a massive blow for the Hurricanes, a blow for him

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Speaker 6: to but it's not too bad. We don't know what

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Speaker 6: But he's not going to be there. So that's a

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Speaker 6: blow for a very mobile and aggressive hold.

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Speaker 4: Will Jordan.

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Speaker 6: Well Crusader's fan. Will Jordan is back, David Havilly is back,

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Speaker 6: Fletcher Newll is back, Todd Blackett has been back for

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Speaker 6: a week or two. This is shaping has been quite

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Speaker 6: and I talked to Rob Penny, So Rob, are they

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Speaker 6: okay to go there? Not just pecking them? And no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: Can I ask your opinion on something? Are you careful?

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Speaker 4: Got to clarify why I asked Darcy a top forgot

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Speaker 4: Heather sounds like soft on crime. Look, you can be

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Speaker 10: Soft on crime.

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Speaker 4: You just couldn't be bothered. You just filed it like

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Speaker 10: To us and explain.

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Speaker 4: We've seen all the questions through like why didn't you

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Speaker 4: nobody wanted that anyway. We're going to have a chat

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Speaker 4: to her about quarter past five to just find out

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Speaker 4: Headlines Next.

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Speaker 3: Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines it's

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 4: Murray Olds is standing by out of Australia for us.

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Speaker 4: We are going to be discussing the punishment debate that

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Speaker 4: is happening at the moment. Read the Maori Party. It hasn't,

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 4: Jerry Brownlee is not in the speaker's chair, he's he's

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Speaker 4: down in christ you che at a funeral. Chippy's not there,

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Speaker 4: doing a debate. I don't think Debbie and Rawerri, I

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Speaker 4: as you well know. So the talking on the Maori

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Speaker 4: Party punishment from the Mardi Party fell to Takuta Ferris again.

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Speaker 4: You see deep.

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Speaker 10: Down under layers and layers.

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Speaker 11: Of intergenerationally refer colonization and assimilation.

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Speaker 8: This debate is.

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Speaker 11: About the eternal struggle for the survival of the Mardy

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Speaker 4: As Mardy twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on youth talks, it'd be drive.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump says his recent conversation with Putin was productive,

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Speaker 4: but it will not lead to immediate peace. Putin said

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Speaker 4: he would have to respond to the recent Ukrainian drone

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Speaker 4: attack first. Obviously, a former member of the US Defense

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Speaker 4: Department says it's a bit rich for Putin to talk

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Speaker 12: The Kremlin recently launched a drone attack against Ukraine that

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Speaker 12: so the talk by President Putin essentially wanting revenge really

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Speaker 4: Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe says he will call an early

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Speaker 4: election if he loses today's confidence vote. The confidence voters

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Speaker 4: the numbers to vote it down. The premier, says Opposition

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Speaker 4: leader Den Winter is going to force Tasmanians to have

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Speaker 1: Be that on mister Winter's head. This has been a

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Speaker 4: Power and Finally, if you don't believe how smart animals are,

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Speaker 4: listened to this. Cockatoo's in Sydney have learned how to

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Speaker 4: quite an industrious bunch. They've also worked out how to

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Speaker 3: Inside international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 3: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 4: I've been put right. I've been put right. Debbie and

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Speaker 4: Raweri have turned up to Parliament. Hello, were they there

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Speaker 4: Let me just put it out to you. Sam's busy

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Speaker 4: Nine two nine two Mariol's Australia corresponds with us.

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Speaker 9: Now, how muss, Very good afternoon, Heather so what's.

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Speaker 4: Our favorite cook eron got to say.

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Speaker 8: Well, look, the defense wound up this morning Aaron Pattison.

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Speaker 9: Of course, six weeks into this trial. It's likely to

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Speaker 8: Her defense council finished the questioning her this morning. Colin, Mandy,

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Speaker 8: did you ever intentionally put death cap mushrooms in that lunch?

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Speaker 9: No? I didn't. Did you ever go out and pick

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Speaker 9: I didn't. Did you ever lie about kids having leftovers?

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Speaker 8: And under cross examination, she's a bit in lying to

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Speaker 8: Receipt that the police had from a local store. She

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Speaker 8: bought that equipment only three months earlier. And yeah, she

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Speaker 8: had been dehydrating mushrooms in that bit of equipment. Now,

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Speaker 8: Patterson admits she took the dehydrated to the transfer station

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Speaker 8: because she had been using it to dehydrate mushrooms. She's

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Speaker 8: already admitted lying about having cancer. And look, it's just

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Speaker 8: it's been a bit of a mess now as far

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Speaker 8: as the prosecutor is concerned. Her name is where is

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Speaker 8: it now, Doctor Nannette Rogers, And she looks to me.

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Speaker 8: It's not being carried live here, but I'm following it

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Speaker 8: live in terms of transcripts that are being made available

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Speaker 8: every twenty minutes or so. And she looks to be

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Speaker 8: an absolute and I use this very kindly, a bulldog

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Speaker 8: of a prosecutor everything. I mean, she's just looks forensic

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Speaker 8: in the way she's conducting her cross examination. And so look,

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Speaker 8: it's all on another couple of weeks of fascinating headlines.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Now tell me what's going on in Tasmania. Does

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Speaker 4: it look like he's going to be unless he going

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Speaker 4: to lose this vote.

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Speaker 8: Well, i'll tell you if he does, it means there'll

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Speaker 8: be no Liberal government anywhere in Australia. Tasmany is currently

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Speaker 8: ruled by a minority Liberal government.

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Speaker 9: The poorole lives down there.

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Speaker 8: Have we've got fourteen seats in the thirty five seat

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Speaker 8: lower House. Jeremy Rockcliffe looks like a dead man walking.

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Speaker 8: He will face a no confidence vote. We understand this afternoon.

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Speaker 8: I mean, as I say, the only liberal government in

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Speaker 8: the entire country now, Tasmania is facing a budget crisis.

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Speaker 8: They had a budget on a week or so ago

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Speaker 8: and this is kind of what's brought this on. Even

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Speaker 8: though Rockcliffe is an underwhelming performer, let's put it that way.

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Speaker 9: They've got a rapidly climbing government debt. They've got cuts

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Speaker 9: coming up the services.

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Speaker 8: The income this year less than ten billion, the spending

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Speaker 8: nearly eleven billion, so that doesn't add up.

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Speaker 9: And you've also got this great, big white elephant.

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Speaker 8: The last mob promised to spend it at least one

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Speaker 8: billion dollars on a covered, heated stadium to host Australian

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Speaker 8: rules football. That's the condition to have an Aussie Rules

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Speaker 8: team in the national competition from Tasmania.

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Speaker 9: So we have to wait and see. But as I say,

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Speaker 9: Rockcliffe does look like a dead man walking.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely doesn't sound very smart at all of the minute,

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Speaker 4: the way this is playing out. And then tell me

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Speaker 4: about Bradfield. So we've got the final count, have.

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Speaker 8: We Well we have twenty six vot If you can

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Speaker 8: imagine one hundred and twelve thousand people cast their ballots

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Speaker 8: on Bay the third, and this afternoon we're sitting here.

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Speaker 8: The margin is twenty six votes out of one hundred

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Speaker 8: and twelve thousand.

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Speaker 9: That's how small it is. The Independent let's call her

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Speaker 9: a teal nicolatte Buller.

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Speaker 8: She has edged out a very very carefully selected If

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Speaker 8: the Liberal Party's got female a problem with women over

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Speaker 8: here and all the critics say it does, this is

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Speaker 8: a woman who should have been elected somewhere in parliament.

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Speaker 9: She's very, very able. She's an international lawyer who has

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Speaker 9: decided to put that career on whole to try and

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Speaker 9: become an MP for the Liberal Party. A wonderful communicator

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Speaker 9: and as I say, a very able and very competent woman.

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Speaker 8: But she has lost out of this Independent and if

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Speaker 8: this stands, Labor head that will have ninety four seats

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Speaker 8: in the National Parliament in Canberra.

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Speaker 9: The Coalition will.

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Speaker 8: Have just forty three. That's two parties, and will be

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Speaker 8: thirteen on the cross bench. Labor is just you know,

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Speaker 8: it's going to take a catastrophe.

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Speaker 9: That Alben easy to lose. He's there for the next

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Speaker 9: two terms. If he wants to be good.

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Speaker 4: Stuff, hate very good to talk to you, maus, you

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Speaker 4: look after yourself. Will talk to you again next week.

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Speaker 4: Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Hither they were not there from

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Speaker 4: the very start of question time, only for the debate

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Speaker 4: here the Debbie and Rawerri were there for the first

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Speaker 4: hour or so that I watched of the debate. Thank you,

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Speaker 4: that's from Paul and pie Karkaki. Appreciate that. Now bad news,

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Speaker 4: as if you needed any more bad news on the

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Speaker 4: gas front. But you know how we don't have a

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Speaker 4: lot of gas. Well we've got less than we thought.

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Speaker 4: It's running out faster than we thought it was. This

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Speaker 4: is the second this is the second year in a row.

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Speaker 4: I reckon that we've had to say this. We've got jeezus,

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Speaker 4: we knew it was running out, but well it's faster

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Speaker 4: than we thought, and it's happened again. Previously thought that

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Speaker 4: we would hit that for the first time gas production

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Speaker 4: would fall under one hundred Petti dules, that that would

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Speaker 4: happen in twenty twenty nine. It is now looking like

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Speaker 4: it's going to happen next year. So a mark that

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Speaker 4: we were going to hit in twenty twenty nine will

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Speaker 4: be hit three years early, and I think that gas

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Speaker 4: production has fallen something like twenty seven percent just year

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Speaker 4: on year, which is massive. Anyway, we will have a

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Speaker 4: chat to John Carnegie of Energy Resources ulti at or

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Speaker 4: he'll just give us an explainer of like just put

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Speaker 4: this in perspective for us, like how much trouble are

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Speaker 4: we in? He'll be with us after six Politics next

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Speaker 4: sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 3: Political politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 3: payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us.

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Speaker 14: Thomas Hallo hed a, good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Okay, is this debate dragging out? What's going on? A?

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Speaker 14: Look, it is dragging out. It needs to finish at

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Speaker 14: six o'clock, but that doesn't necessarily mean it won't continue

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Speaker 14: after that. So it's anyone's guess. And and uh, they

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Speaker 14: seem to be losing steam, but but they can find steam.

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Speaker 14: I guess as well.

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Speaker 4: So they only started at three? How are they losing

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Speaker 4: steam already?

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Speaker 14: Well, I mean it's it's what if they started they

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Speaker 14: I think they started just before three. An hour and

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Speaker 14: forty five minutes is pretty long for one one debate

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Speaker 14: in parliament. I reckon, Yeah, I think they've, they'll they've

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Speaker 14: they will certainly be able to drag it out to

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Speaker 14: six I'm guessing. And whether that means they'll pick it

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Speaker 14: up again another day, anyone's.

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Speaker 4: Guess what's Labor doing.

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Speaker 14: Labor are not filibustering. They are speaking to the speaking

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Speaker 14: to the motion and I think the speak A couple

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Speaker 14: of speeches from Labor have been have been really strong.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 14: The former Speaker Adrian Rudraphe who was known for being

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Speaker 14: mild men and I guess and holding his tongue, probably

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Speaker 14: delivered the best speech he's ever delivered in Parliament where

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Speaker 14: he he he warned basically the nets to say, look,

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Speaker 14: you know, if the Privileges Committee is going to be

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Speaker 14: used to punish political opponents and and you know that

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Speaker 14: is obviously a bit of a stretch because obviously the

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Speaker 14: Marti Party have done something wrong and everyone agrees with that.

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Speaker 14: But if you're going to use the Privileges Committee as

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Speaker 14: a sort of majoritary in court, then that opens the

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Speaker 14: door to a future government by be a majority using

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Speaker 14: the Privileges Committee to try and you know, punish, punish

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Speaker 14: people you don't agree with. But then he turns to

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Speaker 14: Party Maori and he says, you know, the founder of

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Speaker 14: the Maori Party, Attardiana Turia, she came to Parliament, spoke

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Speaker 14: on every every bill, spoken every motion. Really, you know,

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Speaker 14: worked worked her socks off in parliament to create a

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Speaker 14: name for herself and to build that party. And and

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Speaker 14: you know, he looked at the Maori Party and I

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Speaker 14: mean didn't use so many words, but was basically saying

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Speaker 14: that isn't exactly what the Marori Party of today is doing.

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Speaker 14: They're not showing up at many debates, they're not really

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Speaker 14: speaking on every motion. They're doing more on social media

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Speaker 14: than they.

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Speaker 9: Are in the House.

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Speaker 14: And he basically said, look, you know, you've got a

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Speaker 14: leg to live up to here and you're not really

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Speaker 14: you're not really doing it. You've got a choice to

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Speaker 14: make as well. Do you walk in Tariana Turia's sort

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Speaker 14: of footsteps or or do you sort of be an influencer.

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Speaker 4: So so, do you get the impression that it is

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Speaker 4: starting to sink into labor that they don't necessarily want

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Speaker 4: to be too closely aligned with a brand that for

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Speaker 4: a lot of New Zealand Middle New Zealand will be

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Speaker 4: relatively toxic.

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Speaker 14: Well, yes, there was that done. There was that poll

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Speaker 14: this morning from RNZ reed and it showed that half

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Speaker 14: of the country basically supports this this punishment or wants

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Speaker 14: to go further. So yes, and I think labor that

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Speaker 14: is sunk in for labor for a while and you know,

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Speaker 14: put put a column out on the weekend hear all

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Speaker 14: about this, that that Labor Labor is realizing that obviously

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Speaker 14: they do need the numbers of Party Malori. But but

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Speaker 14: to Party Mary is that they are they are putting

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Speaker 14: the ceiling on on Labour's appeal to Middle New Zealand

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Speaker 14: because you know, this is the people's house, this is

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Speaker 14: for all all New Zealand and Party Malori probably are

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Speaker 14: pushing the boat out in terms of what Middle New

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Speaker 14: Zealand can deal with with the theatrics.

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Speaker 4: Now do we have I mean, I'm still waiting personally

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Speaker 4: to hear from the police on this. Do you have

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Speaker 4: any understanding as to why the police didn't investigate the

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Speaker 4: peeping tom aspect of what Michael Forbes was allegedly up to,

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Speaker 4: because that is the that is the thing that is unlawful.

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Speaker 4: Why did they not charge him for that?

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Speaker 14: Yes, so that their statement is that the that they

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Speaker 14: they I think that it didn't meet the threshold for

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Speaker 14: prosecution potentially on an evidentiary basis. I am not sure

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Speaker 14: why that decision was made. I'm sure the police will

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Speaker 14: would be scratching the head around that as well. And

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Speaker 14: there's also the issue of the no surprises aspect of this.

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Speaker 14: The former commissioner we found out today the former former

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Speaker 14: commissioner Andrew Costa didn't know about it but claim about it. Yes,

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Speaker 14: and you can't. He doesn't have access tools old files

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Speaker 14: because he's an he's at the Social Investment Agency now.

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Speaker 14: But obviously, I mean this is very clearly a no

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Speaker 14: surprises issue, you know, I would yeah, I would think so,

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Speaker 14: it's why would it be.

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Speaker 4: Why would it be Thomas? Because if you have somebody

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Speaker 4: who you've looked at their phone and you go, now,

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Speaker 4: there's nothing to charge you over here, you haven't done

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Speaker 4: anything that we can charge you on, why would you

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Speaker 4: need to alert the employer who is the DIA?

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Speaker 14: Because I think the threshold is anything significant Now, maybe

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Speaker 14: I suppose you could argue that it's not significant enough

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Speaker 14: significant would likely to generate controversy. And you know, obviously,

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Speaker 14: as we've seen the last twenty four hours, it certainly

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Speaker 14: generated controversy. So I think it probably would meet that

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Speaker 14: threshold where you'd alert alert the minister. But but yes,

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Speaker 14: I mean you could go back was July twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 14: I think when the when the complaint was first laid,

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Speaker 14: and perhaps back then they didn't think it admit a

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Speaker 14: threshold where they would take it further and where they

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Speaker 14: would alert the minister.

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Speaker 4: But you think they should have.

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Speaker 14: I think yeah, but based on what we know now,

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Speaker 14: I think it probably meets that no surprises threshold.

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Speaker 4: Okay, hey, thank you very much, really appreciate it. Thomas

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Speaker 4: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors. As away from.

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Speaker 3: I'm putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic

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Speaker 3: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Brace yourself.

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Speaker 15: The grocery commissioner has got some ideas, Pia Vander Hidden

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Speaker 15: is the grocery commissioner.

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Speaker 13: We've done a market study which indicated some issues.

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Speaker 15: Just to be clear, are these things going to happen

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Speaker 15: or are you just announcing them as ideas you.

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Speaker 13: Know they're not just ideas. The draft code has been published.

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Speaker 15: So just once again to try and be clear, are

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Speaker 15: in some sort of consultative process.

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Speaker 13: As a regulator, we have to consult only a six

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Speaker 13: week window and then we make a decision as to

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Speaker 13: which way we.

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Speaker 15: Go, and that decision is final and will be enacted.

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Speaker 13: That's correct.

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Speaker 15: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 15: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk zed B.

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Speaker 4: I'm getting a lot of texts suggesting that Karen Chure

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Speaker 4: is very impressive in the house speaking about the Marti

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Speaker 4: Party punishments. Web a little this and bring you a

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Speaker 4: little bit of that very shortly. Look what there is

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Speaker 4: there is a debate about whether we need to have

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Speaker 4: a law change now that we've discovered that Michael Michael

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Speaker 4: from the Beehive has been filming intimate moments with sex workers,

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Speaker 4: the audio recordings of it. Now, what the Prostitutes Collective

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Speaker 4: are asking for is a law change around this to

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Speaker 4: essentially make it illegal to film them to audio record

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Speaker 4: a moment like that. That I think seems like a

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Speaker 4: fair request, don't you think. I mean, it's a digital

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Speaker 4: age nowadays, and information like that, videos, audio photographs can

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Speaker 4: badly that. Surely there needs to be some sort of

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Speaker 4: a I don't know, a protection against it now at

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Speaker 4: the moment, what the law basically says is you can record.

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Speaker 4: If you're recording yourself with somebody else, you can make

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Speaker 4: that recording as long as you're not going to broadcast it.

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Speaker 4: So I guess there is some protection there against it

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Speaker 4: being published anyway. Already there is a protection there that

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Speaker 4: protects people. But what they want is that that information

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Speaker 4: to never be recorded in the first place without Now,

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Speaker 4: I would say it seems like a reasonably I mean,

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Speaker 4: seems like a reasonable request. Whether it will make any

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Speaker 4: difference or not, I'm not sure, but we're going to

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Speaker 4: talk to them about that just after five o'clock, very shortly. Listen,

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Speaker 4: if you're into if you're thinking about these weight loss drugs,

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Speaker 4: can we go van stuff like that? Just a little

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Speaker 4: heads up on this. As the use continues, we find

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Speaker 4: are you know, as you can imagine, little concerns creeping

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Speaker 4: And if you're losing the muscle, it can impair your

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Speaker 4: So there's a warning there that you know there are

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Speaker 4: implications and be no surprise to anybody, implications potentially beyond

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Speaker 4: what you thought. Anyway, Let's deal next with the prostitutes

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Speaker 4: collective and also get you across what's been going on

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Speaker 4: with the Maori Party punishment debates, news talks, ab.

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Speaker 16: Susi Seva, you know, Oka home.

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Speaker 3: Years, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 3: for the full picture. Heather Dupac on Drive with One

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Let's get connected news.

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Speaker 10: Hey, good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Parliament is now more than two hours into the debate

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Speaker 4: on the punishment of the Maori Party, although it seems

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Speaker 4: to have lost a lot of its steam, with most

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Speaker 4: of the major players not in the House today. Rice

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Speaker 4: Edwards is a political commentator with US Now. Hey, Bryce, Hi, Heather. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: do you think it's lost a bit of the fizz?

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Speaker 17: Well, it has because the main players don't want it

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Speaker 17: to be too busy. National and Labor do want to

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Speaker 17: sort of get beyond this debate. The minor parties are

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Speaker 17: loving it so on the left to Party Marie and

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Speaker 17: Greens are pretty fired up. On the right and using

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Speaker 17: the first an Act, pretty fired up. But Labor is

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Speaker 17: very uncomfortable. They've been part of the debate, but they're

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Speaker 17: trying to tone things down. They're trying to take a

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Speaker 17: sort of middle way, and it's hard work for Labor

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Speaker 17: to sort of navigate when I think the public kind

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Speaker 17: of or at least some of the Labor's voters are

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Speaker 17: in favor of some tough measures against the party.

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Speaker 4: Murray MPEd is anybody filibustering?

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Speaker 17: Well, look, I don't know. I've seen some really quality

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Speaker 17: speeches from all sides in this and there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 17: with that. There's been some emotional and sort of quite

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Speaker 17: tough stuff as well. But no, no, I think it's

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Speaker 17: been excellent debate. And you know, this is a really

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Speaker 17: important issue. So I think it is apt that there

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Speaker 17: is enough time to actually debate it.

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Speaker 4: Do you think they're going to wrap it up by

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Speaker 4: six oh?

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Speaker 17: If Labor and National get their ways, I think it will.

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Speaker 17: But it's in the interests of those other minor parties

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Speaker 17: to keep it going. I mean to Party Mari would

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Speaker 17: love to have this debate going for weeks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure they would. Hey, do you do you

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Speaker 4: think it is dawning on Labor just how toxic the

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Speaker 4: Malori Party are to them?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 17: They would have always known how difficult it's going to be,

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Speaker 17: but this has really brought it to you know, the

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Speaker 17: sort of cutting edge of it, isn't it because you

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Speaker 17: know they're suddenly thinking are going to be dealing with

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Speaker 17: this sort of debate all through the election campaign and

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Speaker 17: you know how much this is going to rub off

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Speaker 17: on us. I mean in the House today, Party Murray

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Speaker 17: and P's are talking about suspending the treaty for twenty

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Speaker 17: one days if they're out of Parliament. I mean, what

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Speaker 17: does that mean and to what extent does Labor have

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Speaker 17: to start answering questions on how much they agree with

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Speaker 17: these sort of policies. Is a bit of a nightmare

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Speaker 17: for people like Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 4: Bryce, thank you, I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 9: Mate.

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Speaker 4: That's Bryce Edwards, political commentator.

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Speaker 1: Thanks together for CLIs.

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Speaker 4: But there are questions now over why police failed to

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Speaker 4: charge former Beehive staffer Michael Forbes over the photos on

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Speaker 4: his phone. He was obviously caught audio recording his sessions

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Speaker 4: with sex workers and then his phone, it turned out,

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Speaker 4: also contained photos of women at the gym, women at

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Speaker 4: the supermarket and videos of women through windows at night.

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Speaker 4: Sheridan Fraser is with the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Hey

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Speaker 4: Shereda Cowder Heather Sheridan. Were you aware of this before

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Speaker 4: this broke in the newspapers yesterday.

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Speaker 18: Yes, at the time, on the day that it happened,

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Speaker 18: I was notified by the Brussel just to see if

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Speaker 18: I could connect them with a sex worker, a specific

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Speaker 18: sex worker friendly police officer to take the report. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 18: it was my day off and I couldn't get hold

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Speaker 18: of any of them, so they called one one one.

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Speaker 18: I understand.

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Speaker 4: Okay. Has it surprised you then, so you would have

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Speaker 4: been aware of what was on the phone yet?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Has it surprised you that the police have not investigated

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Speaker 4: or charged over at the very least the peeping Tom stuff,

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Speaker 4: which seems to be unlawful.

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Speaker 18: It does seem to be unlawful. Yeah, I certainly wasn't

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Speaker 18: surprised about the audio recording. I was aware that was

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Speaker 18: not a crime. I was aware that taking photos in

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Speaker 18: public places is not necessarily a crime. The Peeping Tom's staff,

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Speaker 18: I'm not familiar enough with the laws. I wondered if

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Speaker 18: maybe they were young police officers who went familiar and

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Speaker 18: just thought if they were taken in a public place,

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Speaker 18: and maybe it wasn't a crime, or maybe it was

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Speaker 18: just the too hard basket in terms of identifying who

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Speaker 18: those women were.

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Speaker 4: Have you actually seen the content of that phone?

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Speaker 18: I haven't seen all the content, but I that I

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Speaker 18: have seen, you know, a couple of the a selection, a.

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Speaker 4: Couple of fo Do you know whether the peeping the

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Speaker 4: peeping tom stuff that the filming of the women through

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Speaker 4: the windows? Reportedly? What were those women identifiable? With the

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Speaker 4: properties identifiable?

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Speaker 13: It?

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Speaker 4: Could the cops have actually found those women?

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Speaker 18: I'm not sure. I think Michael Forbes would have had

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Speaker 18: to disclose where he took that video, and he did

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Speaker 18: seem to be reasonably cooperative, so it was probably possible

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Speaker 18: for the police to get that disclosure. Otherwise it's just

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Speaker 18: it just seemed like an apartment building, you know, with

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Speaker 18: a lot of windows from afar, So yeah, it would

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Speaker 18: have been some extra rak and some police resource for that.

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Speaker 18: And you know, I suppose I would have liked these

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Speaker 18: things to be investigated, because sometimes they are the tip

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Speaker 18: of the iceberg and there are significantly more harmful things

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Speaker 18: that occur, and when you know, this is seemingly on

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Speaker 18: the lower end of the spectrum, although very problematic for

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Speaker 18: the women involved, but yeah, sometimes it can be an

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Speaker 18: indicator of greater harms OCCA.

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Speaker 4: So would you like it would would you like it

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Speaker 4: to be made unlawful to record intimate moments audio, you know,

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Speaker 4: the audio of it without.

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Speaker 18: Concent Absolutely absolutely. I think it's really important. Technology is

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Speaker 18: changing so quickly, and you know, there's deep fake abuse

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Speaker 18: a lot of language, and there's a lot of there's

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Speaker 18: a lot of chitter chatter or engagement that we don't

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Speaker 18: want other people to hear. And now realized it's a

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Speaker 18: very very private moment. It's a very private moment, and

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Speaker 18: I think intimate audio recordings should be on par with

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Speaker 18: intimate visual recordings, and it was something that was brought

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Speaker 18: up at the time the legislation came into pass two

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Speaker 18: thousand and six whatever. But yeah, clearly it didn't get through.

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Speaker 4: Sheridan. It's good to talk to you. I really appreciate

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Speaker 4: your time. That Sheridan Fraser, who is worth the New

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Speaker 4: long ago, had a lot of texts saying that Karen

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Speaker 4: Shaw is doing a wonderful job speaking to this debate here.

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Speaker 19: She is the anger and the hatred been trucked across

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Speaker 19: this house is heartbreaking. I have never seen this place

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Speaker 4: Mister speaker, fourteen past five, Hey, are you feeling a

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Speaker 1: Heather, do for see allen yea.

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Speaker 4: The filming through an open window from a public place

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Speaker 4: is not an offense to you, actually, Stu, thank you

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Speaker 4: for that. We will come back to that. We finally

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Speaker 4: got a statement from the police on it. Seventeen past five. Now,

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Speaker 4: after months of speculation, Desley Simpson has finally revealed that

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Speaker 4: she's not running for Auckland's man. She's with us now, Hey, Desley.

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Speaker 20: Hello, Heather, how are you?

877
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Speaker 4: Dearsley. That's the biggest teas and the longest teas in

878
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: the history of mayoral races, isn't it.

879
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 20: I didn't mean to tease, but it took. It took.

880
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 20: It took a bit of thinking, Heather, it really did.

881
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: Or did it take a long time to negotiate this

882
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Speaker 4: with Wayne.

883
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 20: At both a bit of both.

884
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: What did you get by him?

885
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Speaker 17: No?

886
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Speaker 20: I believe it's the right thing to do for Auckland, Heather.

887
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 20: Sometimes you've got to put Auckland first and not yourself.

888
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 20: And the mayor has really delivered this term some very

889
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 20: big changes for Auckland and still has more to come.

890
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 20: And at the end of the day, Yes, look, he's

891
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 20: a bit of a rough diamond, more rough than diamond,

892
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 20: and I'm probably more diamond than rough. But I really

893
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Speaker 20: support the initiatives he's put putting and has put together

894
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Speaker 20: to benefit Auckland. I mean, look at the future fund.

895
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 20: It's going to do with one hundred million for us

896
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Speaker 20: next year, you know, more income I take.

897
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Speaker 4: I take the point and I think the point that

898
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Speaker 4: you look. I have come to realize, actually he stands

899
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Speaker 4: a reasonable chance of being re elected because actually I

900
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Speaker 4: suspect that a lot of voters will be reasonably pleased

901
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Speaker 4: with what he's done.

902
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Speaker 20: What would you say, Well, I think so, as I said,

903
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Speaker 20: it'll be interesting to speak more with you as the

904
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Speaker 20: weeks ago come closer to the election about the outcomes

905
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Speaker 20: that we've achieved this term. But you know, just for

906
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Speaker 20: one thing, financially, you know, he's put some pretty significant

907
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 20: targets together for us around saving money. I chair that committee,

908
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 20: and we've exceeded the savings targets. I think the figures

909
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 20: are in excess of four hundred million over three years.

910
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 20: So there have been savings. There's been more ways and

911
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 20: deliverables for more income to Auckland, and the sorts of

912
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 20: things that have annoyed Auckland is for a long time

913
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Speaker 20: the content name got delivering things that come on.

914
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: You can't be ready, you can't be in campaign mode already.

915
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 4: Tell me. I want to know now what you got

916
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Speaker 4: out of him in those negotiations.

917
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Speaker 20: It wasn't for which what I got out of him.

918
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 20: It was about understanding what he wanted to deliver in

919
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Speaker 20: the next three years and really understanding that. And I

920
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 20: absolutely share those objectives. And it shouldn't be about you know,

921
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 20: one person or another person. We always need to focus

922
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 20: on Auckland, putting Auckland as first and actually making it

923
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 20: a better place. And that's what I'm here to do

924
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Speaker 20: and so I'm standing as a counselor for ORAQ again.

925
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 20: I've done it before. I love my community and I'm

926
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Speaker 20: very happy with my decision.

927
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Speaker 4: Good luck of the desly thank you for your time.

928
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Speaker 4: Really appreciate it. Desley Simpson, Deputy Mayor of Auckland. Here

929
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Speaker 4: the all crimes have key ingredients that need to be

930
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Speaker 4: addressed in order to justify a prosecution. Plenty of sexual

931
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: crime doesn't ever lead to a prosecution because victims often

932
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Speaker 4: aren't aware of what's involved. There's far more to it

933
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Speaker 4: than just telling a detective. Andrew, I appreciate that. So

934
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Speaker 4: actually it is illegal to film. It's illegal too. It's

935
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Speaker 4: unlawful to be a peeping tom right, and there are

936
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Speaker 4: a couple of ways you can be charged with it.

937
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 4: The first is just the old, classic old peeping or

938
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Speaker 4: peering into a dwelling house, which if you're just standing

939
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Speaker 4: there at night peeping or peering into a dwelling as

940
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: you're going to copy yourself a five hundred dollar fine. Now,

941
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 4: what he did was he was videgoing into a dwelling

942
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: house at night, wasn't he? So that's extra level of creep,

943
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 4: isn't it. So under the Crimes Act, it is illegal

944
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: to intentionally or recklessly make or possess an intimate visual

945
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Speaker 4: recording of another person without that person's knowledge of consents.

946
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: So we went to the coppers. We said, well, why

947
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Speaker 4: didn't you charge him? They said, well, when we looked

948
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Speaker 4: at the phones, he had two of them. He had

949
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Speaker 4: a private one in his work one. That's very normal,

950
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 4: he said. What they found what appears to be women

951
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 4: in private addresses, taken from a distance away, and they'll

952
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: just color this up for you. Right, These women were

953
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 4: in some cases without their tops on, so they were

954
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 4: getting dressed and as you heard from Sheridan before, you know,

955
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: maybe in an apartment building or something like that. Police

956
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: considered the available evidence and concluded it did not meet

957
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 4: the requirements for criminality and therefore charges could not be filed. Now, OK, fine,

958
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: so it wasn't so what they're saying, well, it wasn't

959
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 4: really a crime. I'd love to be able to ask

960
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 4: them to tell me a little bit more about but

961
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: they're not doing interviews, so we'll just have to take

962
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 4: their word for it. Just that little bland statement, is it?

963
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 21: Five two.

964
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Speaker 3: Informed inside into today's issues? It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive

965
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 3: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

966
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: They'd be right.

967
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 4: It's coming up twenty five past five. By the way,

968
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Speaker 4: we're going to speak to Stephen Jacobi. Jacoby former Trade

969
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 4: negotiated because Labor is very angry at the government for

970
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: being chill about those ten percent tariffs that Trump is

971
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 4: lumping our way. Unfortunately, everybody else has to be chill

972
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 4: about it as well. I can't find an example of

973
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 4: any country that's had them removed. But anyway, we'll see

974
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: what happens now. It looks to me, I'm happy to say,

975
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 4: it looks to me like it's finally dawning on the

976
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Speaker 4: Labor Party, that the Maori Party are in fact toxic

977
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 4: to the Labor Party's chances of becoming government. The two

978
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 4: biggest clues today, I reckon during this punishment debate was

979
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: Adrian and RuAF Are basically telling the Mahry Party off

980
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 4: for their behavior, and Labor also refusing to participate in

981
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 4: the filibustering that was originally planned. Labor would have, I

982
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 4: mean to be fair, Labour would have to be dumb

983
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 4: not to see how people feel about the Mardi parties anticks,

984
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: and there was that poll out this morning. Are and

985
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 4: Zed read research. Most voters think the punishment for the

986
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 4: Mardi Party is about right or could actually be harder

987
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 4: fifty four percent of them. Only thirty six percent of

988
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 4: voters think it's too harsh. Even a sizable proportion of

989
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 4: Labor Party voters think the punishment is about right or

990
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 4: could be harder thirty eight percent. Now, Labor is smart

991
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 4: to put some distance between it and the Marti Party

992
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 4: because the Marti Party made fools of them last time.

993
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 4: When Chippy got up and argued that the Marti Party

994
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: shouldn't get the full twenty one day suspension punishment because

995
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 4: they should have the right to represent their voters in

996
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 4: Parliament during the Budget day debate and it's so important

997
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. The Marti Party made major fools of

998
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 4: Chippy by then, after all of that effort, he went

999
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 4: to not turning up to the debate. Now, to be

1000
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 4: fair to Labor, this is not an easy one for

1001
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 4: the party, right. This is actually a really tough one

1002
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: for them to balance because they can't be too friendly

1003
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 4: with the Marordi Party because then they're going to freak out.

1004
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 4: New Zealand, but they will need the Marty Party probably

1005
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 4: to have the numbers to form government. It's a tough one,

1006
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: but at least you can say Labor has realized that

1007
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 4: the Marty Party are toxic because that happened to be

1008
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 4: it to have happened before.

1009
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: I'd heather due to see Ellen went to.

1010
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 4: Dave Dobbin last night? When didn't you know what went

1011
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: to Dave Dobbin last night? And I'm going to tell

1012
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 4: you about it. I'm going to do. I'm going to

1013
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: tell you because you know, I've got this concert club

1014
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 4: where at the girls, the old sheelas go out and

1015
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 4: see a concert of an evening, and I'm going to

1016
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: give you a bit of a review on it because

1017
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 4: the man as a bloody legend, isn't he? But what

1018
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 4: I also need to tell you is there is a

1019
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 4: bit of a debate. You would have seen this poll

1020
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 4: that's come out just in the last couple of days,

1021
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: and I did mean to tell you about it yesterday

1022
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 4: about whether we should ban social media for under sixteens.

1023
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 4: The vast well, the majority, let's say the majority, fifty

1024
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: eight percent of us say yes we need to ban

1025
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: social media for under sixteens and the parties in government

1026
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 4: who actually have the ability to enact that band huge

1027
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: number of their voters want to see this happen. The

1028
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 4: man who has written the book about this, Jonathan Height,

1029
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: is with us at four o'clock tomorrow, so tune in

1030
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 4: for that please. Headline's next.

1031
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: On the iHeart app, and in your car on your

1032
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1033
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

1034
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: He'd be.

1035
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: All right, as I told you. After six o'clock, let's

1036
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 4: discuss what's going on with the gas because it is

1037
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 4: running out faster than we thought it would. The huddle

1038
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 4: is standing by it. A has just done his speech

1039
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 4: in the House, and he's held up a.

1040
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 22: Noose tape the news from around my neck so that

1041
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 22: I may sing my song, the silent thing of us today,

1042
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 22: of the silencing of our ancestors.

1043
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: Of the past. I mean, I think we can pretty

1044
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: clearly call that a stunt designed to get him ontally

1045
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 4: and guess what it's probably going to work twenty four

1046
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 4: away from six now, Labor has slammed the government for

1047
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 4: not being upset enough about Trump's ten percent tariff they're

1048
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 4: not happy that the PM is quote being comfortable about it,

1049
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 4: and they reckon that means he's failing us all as

1050
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 4: Kiwi's former trade negotiated Stephen Jacobe is with me on

1051
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 4: the SAE.

1052
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 23: Stephen, hi here, how are you?

1053
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 4: I'm very well, thank you. What else can he do

1054
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 4: other than be comfortable about it?

1055
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 23: I wonder really if he is comfortable about these tariffs

1056
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Speaker 23: being applied. Remember their additional tariff. It's not just the

1057
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 23: ten percent tariff. If we're already paying a tariff, it's

1058
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 23: ten percent plus, so fifteen percent tariff already on butter

1059
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 23: now twenty five percent. No one can be very comfortable

1060
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Speaker 23: about that.

1061
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 4: No, probably not. I mean, is this just something you

1062
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 4: have to say diplomatically or what do you think?

1063
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 13: Well?

1064
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 23: What I am comfortable about is where the government is

1065
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 23: on this at the moment. It's watching, it's consulting, it's

1066
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 23: consulting with trading partners in particular, we've Todd mclayoff, and

1067
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 23: you know powis at the moment doing just that. It's

1068
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 23: doing all those right sort of things. You have to

1069
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 23: remember that we are being charged as additional tariff at

1070
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 23: the lower lowest end of the scale. We don't have

1071
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 23: a lot to offer the United States. We've just seen

1072
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 23: the UK go and bend the knee in Washington and

1073
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 23: come back with not much, nothing less than ten percent

1074
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 23: and not a marvelous deal really to boast for it.

1075
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Speaker 23: So I think we just have to buide our time

1076
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 23: for the time being. But make no mistake about it,

1077
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Speaker 23: this is difficult for New Zealand exporters.

1078
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet it strikes me that what the Prime

1079
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: Minister is probably trying to do with the language that

1080
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Speaker 4: he is using at the moment, does not to draw

1081
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Speaker 4: attention to New Zealand. Is that fair?

1082
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 23: I suspect that is the case. You know, we want

1083
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 23: to make ourselves a small target. But he has been

1084
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 23: pretty outspoken about the need to develop a dialogue with

1085
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 23: the EU and CPTPP partners for example, an extremely good idea,

1086
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 23: and you know, I hope that before too long we'll

1087
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 23: see him going to China and doing what he has

1088
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Speaker 23: to do there as well. Of course, he's launched this

1089
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Speaker 23: FDA negotiation with India. These are all the things that

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00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 23: we have to be doing to create more options for exporters.

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Speaker 23: At the best of times and indeed at the worst

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Speaker 23: of times, that we face in the United States right now.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Stephen, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Stephen Jacobe, former trade negotiator. Right now, twenty two away

1095
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 4: from six.

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Speaker 3: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find you

1097
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 3: are one of a kind.

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Speaker 4: On the Huddle of Me this evening, we have Ali Jones,

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00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 4: Red pr and Tim Wilson of the maximums Jude, Hi

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00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 4: you two, Hi go. What do you make Ali of

1101
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: raw Woody holding up the noose in the house.

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00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 24: It's incredibly inflammatory and absolutely and totally unnecessary. I'm actually

1103
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 24: sick to death of it. I was thrilled to hear

1104
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 24: Chris Bishop stand up and say let's get on with it.

1105
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 24: I really do think this just needs to be sorted.

1107
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 24: But it's a bit like kindergarten. I mean, if you

1108
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 24: want to change the rules in the sand pit, then

1109
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 24: do it from the sandpit and from within the systems

1110
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 24: that are there, and stop behaving like performing children.

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00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 4: Now it feels to me like what they're trying to do,

1112
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 4: Tim is they are desperate to keep this going and

1113
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 4: being as controversial as possible. And actually the theme has

1114
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 4: been taken out of the thing completely, by the delay

1115
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 4: that that happened before the budget, by the fact that

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00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 4: Bishop's not there, Chippy's not there, Brownlee's not there, David

1117
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 4: Simore is not there. It's just kind of a bit today,

1118
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 4: isn't it.

1119
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 21: Yeah, Yeah, and I think, yeah, it's interesting that.

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Speaker 25: I think the irony there too is the measure that

1121
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 25: is attempting to enforce rules and create order has produced

1122
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 25: so much toddlerish behavior. I mean, even Winston with the

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00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 25: remark about scribbles on your face.

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00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 21: Come on, Winston, you're eighty, you're not eight.

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00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 4: When did he do that?

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00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 21: This was earlier in the debate.

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00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: Oh was it okay? So said that. Well, the whole

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00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 4: thing just feels like it's the steam's taken out of it.

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00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: So we'll just let them run their course through to

1130
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 4: six o'clock hopefully.

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00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 21: Shall we just drop it it? Let's just drop it now.

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00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: That's I would if I could. I mean, you know,

1133
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 4: let's cut it off at six and be finished with it.

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Speaker 9: Ellie.

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00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 4: I still feel confused about why the police didn't charge

1136
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 4: that Chap from the Prime Minister's office with being a

1137
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 4: peeping tom.

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00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 24: Look, I don't think where police, we're not criminal experts,

1139
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 24: legal experts. I don't know what that bar is to

1140
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 24: reach the you know, the required level for criminality in

1141
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 24: order to take a prosecution and.

1142
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 4: Talk about it.

1143
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 24: Then do you think, well, yeah, But I think there

1144
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 24: are two really important things here. Firstly, I mean, whether

1145
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 24: it didn't reach the standard or whatever those standards are,

1146
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 24: No one seems to have been really talking about the

1147
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 24: the imbalance.

1148
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: Of power here.

1149
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 24: You know, this is another issue of women being in

1150
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 24: a position where they are being taken advantage of by

1151
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 24: someone a man and a far far more senior position.

1152
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 24: I also think when I looked at that guy, thought

1153
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 24: you are a dick. There are so many people working

1154
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 24: in Wellington in politics doing a damn good job, working

1155
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 24: very very hard. Why the hell should you get away

1156
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 24: with behaving like this? And the other thing is how

1157
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 24: on earth did this not? Was this not on the

1158
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 24: Police Commissioner at the Times radar? And why was it

1159
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 24: not fed through to Parliament?

1160
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 9: Well?

1161
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: Was it?

1162
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 4: Though not on his radar? I mean I feel like

1163
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 4: I'm hearing conflicting stories behind the scenes. I'm hearing actually

1164
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 4: that he had been told and that there is paper

1165
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 4: trail showing he had been told.

1166
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 24: Well, he has come out today. Well then you know

1167
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 24: more than I. But I understand that he's come out

1168
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 24: today and he said that he did not know about it,

1169
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 24: and he first heard about it in the last twenty

1170
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 24: four hours.

1171
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 20: So what is he lying?

1172
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't lay that accusation. But maybe

1173
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 4: he's just not checking his emails, you know, I don't.

1174
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 25: Can I say something that will maybe bring us all

1175
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 25: together and maybe even the top is in the house.

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00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 25: Can we say, can we agree that filming pervy videos

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00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 25: and supermarkets? Can we actually make that a crime? Do

1178
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 25: you mind if we actually make that a crime? I

1179
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 25: think you know, and I've got a.

1180
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 4: Perfect partment to come on, how do you make that

1181
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 4: a crime?

1182
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 21: Well, you just decided it's a crime.

1183
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 4: It's pervy or not because what your artistic to someone?

1184
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 4: I might see and I might be like, oh, look

1185
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 4: that's Tim Wilson from the Huddle is picking his nose.

1186
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 4: Let me take a video. And then you might say, oh,

1187
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 4: she's being a.

1188
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 21: Perverse Well, well it would be it would be unnecessarily.

1189
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 4: Second second part of your argument, please.

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00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 25: The second part of that is, you see what we

1191
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 25: could do is for a punishment, we could have the

1192
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 25: stocks Now, call me old fashioned, but it would be

1193
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 25: cost effective to be public shame, and that would take

1194
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 25: care of all of this stuff quite readily.

1195
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 9: I'm for that.

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00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 24: I'm for that.

1197
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 21: There we go, I new. Thank you Ellie, thank you Heather.

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00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 4: You want to put people in the stocks?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? Do you not? Do you not?

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00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 21: Let's bring back let's bring back public shame. I think necessary.

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00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 24: Let's only do the stocks in the summer when tomatoes

1202
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 24: are cheap.

1203
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 4: Listen to him.

1204
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 21: I agree.

1205
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 4: The point of the stocks was what public humiliation?

1206
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1207
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 4: Do you not think that we've achieved that?

1208
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 7: Oh?

1209
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 21: I think I think that's publicly Yeah.

1210
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 4: I mean if I was Michael Forbes, do you not

1211
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: feel like this Michael Forbes is going to have to

1212
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 4: change his name and go work in the mines, isn't he?

1213
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 25: I think he is. And I think probably a positive

1214
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 25: in this is that the actual that the horror at

1215
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 25: these actions, this behavior, and that that's a good thing.

1216
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 25: I mean, we expect more from our leaders and from

1217
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 25: the people that served them, and mostly the people that

1218
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 25: served them work very hard to do so.

1219
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1220
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 4: Can I can I ask you a question?

1221
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 9: Though?

1222
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 10: Tim?

1223
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 4: This is the thing that I'm not decided on yet.

1224
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 4: Does this reflect badly on the Prime Minister's office, on

1225
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 4: the wider National Party or do people see this as

1226
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 4: just a Michael Forbes problem?

1227
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 25: Yeah, you know what I could see, I guess yeah,

1228
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 25: I was thinking about that and whether that you know,

1229
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 25: it's it's indicative of anything. At the moment, We've just

1230
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 25: got one person who has this, has this sort of

1231
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,479
Speaker 25: industrial campaign of pervery. If we had a few more,

1232
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 25: I think I think that you could see a trend,

1233
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 25: But at the moment it's just it seems to be

1234
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 25: one I don't know outlier I would certainly hope.

1235
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 4: So, yeah, all right, we'll take a break, come back

1236
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 4: to you guys. Shortly sixteen away from six.

1237
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: The huddle with New Zealand southebast International Realty achieve extraordinary

1238
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: results with unparallel reach.

1239
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 4: Tim. Have you seen that West Gold the butter people

1240
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 4: raise their prices after the fundraisers the Kiddi's fundraisers went

1241
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 4: too hard?

1242
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1243
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I could not believe it.

1244
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 7: Why not?

1245
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 25: I mean, well, you've created a scheme to help charities

1246
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 25: and then when it's really really successful, you decide to

1247
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 25: penalize the charities by raising the price to the bar

1248
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 25: I mean, it's a marketing opportunity.

1249
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 21: Of a lifetime. It's publicity money couldn't buy. And I

1250
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 21: blinded up.

1251
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don mean. I mean what I think has

1252
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 4: happened yet, Allie, is that they've initially priced the butter

1253
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 4: too low, haven't they. I mean, four dollars for a

1254
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 4: block of West coll butter is clearly too low.

1255
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 9: No, it's not.

1256
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 24: And I actually got not sucked into. This is where

1257
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 24: my maths should be better. So I ordered one hundred

1258
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 24: and what was it, eight hundred and sixty dollars worth

1259
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 24: of the butter, right so that I thought they were

1260
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 24: five hundred grand blocks because for yeah, I know, four

1261
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 24: dollars a block, I thought that's a bloody steal. That

1262
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 24: is there about ten dollars in the shops anyway, Then

1263
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 24: they were two hundred and fifty grams, so I halved

1264
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 24: my order. I'm sorry, I just couldn't afford the one

1265
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 24: hundred and sixty. So I've halved the order. But I'm

1266
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 24: thrilled to support them, and I would keep doing this,

1267
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 24: and I would rather buy my butter this way if

1268
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 24: it helped the school, and I got my butter. It

1269
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 24: is cheaper than the supermarket, Heather, and I totally agree

1270
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 24: with him.

1271
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: What the hell do you need one hundred and sixty

1272
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 4: dollars worth of butter? Don't?

1273
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 9: I haven't.

1274
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 24: He's not listening to this on the way now we're

1275
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 24: on a no butter, no fat diet on the moment.

1276
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 25: Goodness, No, Actually, you know what this is.

1277
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 21: This is a brilliant fundraising because here's the deal.

1278
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 25: Costco butter is ten bucks of kilo, so that's one

1279
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 25: buck one hundred gram. So's as the head of MAXIM,

1280
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 25: which is a charity, Maxim Institute's charity, I'll only go

1281
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 25: down to Costco, spend a bit of dough and start

1282
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 25: flogging butter in the same way.

1283
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 4: In order to raise money for MAXIM. Absolutely, I know

1284
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 4: someone who would spend a lot of money on that butter,

1285
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 4: and it's Ali Ellie. I still don't understand. I can't

1286
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 4: understand why you're spending one hundred and sixty dollars on

1287
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 4: butter when you're on a diet that doesn't let you

1288
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 4: eat it.

1289
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 24: Because I'm going to put it in the freezer and

1290
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 24: I'll come after diet soon and people come and visit,

1291
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 24: and I like to bake for people.

1292
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: There's always a reason.

1293
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 4: But also I thought I could help.

1294
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 24: You know, I'm supporting the school, Leaffield School. I thought

1295
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 24: i'd support them and get slightly cheaper but freeze yes,

1296
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 24: oh yes, cheese butter. You can't freeze toilet rolls. I

1297
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 24: just put them on a cupboard. But you've got some.

1298
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 25: And I think Alice's got some explaining to do once

1299
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 25: when she gets home, of course he is.

1300
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like the number of children you've

1301
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 4: got going on at the moment, Tim, you might need

1302
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 4: to get into this as well. Have you ever heard

1303
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 4: of the Strava running app?

1304
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 25: Tem Well, I hadn't until I realized that you can

1305
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 25: douce it somehow hack it to tell lies. It's like

1306
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 25: cheating when you're playing solitaire.

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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous because you're only cheating yourself. Is that what

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Speaker 4: you mean?

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Speaker 21: Well, well, that's it.

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Speaker 25: I mean, I think a much better way is to

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Speaker 25: strap the Strava app to your kids feet and send

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Speaker 25: them out running and then they can do it.

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Speaker 21: That's that's what we do with four kids. That's how

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Speaker 21: that's how you don't.

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Speaker 4: Need a Strava app is because you have four kids,

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Speaker 4: so you're basically running all the time. Have you ever

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Speaker 4: heard of.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I have. I'm delivering delivering flies at the moment

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Speaker 24: for my role on the city council here on the

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Speaker 24: community board, and a girlfriend who's helping me actually showed

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Speaker 24: me her delivery path by showing me the Strava app.

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Speaker 24: So I've loaded it, but I can't make it work.

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Speaker 24: But one thing I wanted to say quickly the footbit app.

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01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 24: You can cheat the footbit if you go to the theater,

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Speaker 24: a live theater, and you clap, or you do lots

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Speaker 24: of ironing, you can increase your steps hugely. Ironing and

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Speaker 24: clapping as steps.

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Speaker 4: Yes, because of course it's the arm motion. Also, this

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Speaker 4: is one of the failures, isn't it of you know

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Speaker 4: that the smart watch is reading your sleep, because if

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Speaker 4: you're just lying dead still, you could be wide awake

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Speaker 4: and be dreaming of how much you like spend on

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Speaker 4: your butter, just lying there with insomnia. But as long

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Speaker 4: as your arm's not moving, it thinks you're sleeping, isn't it.

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Speaker 24: Can you forget all that about the butter?

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Speaker 19: No?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, we'll move on.

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Speaker 25: I wonder if we're going to just start to distrust

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Speaker 25: everything digital because it's possible to you know, you've got

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Speaker 25: deep fakes, you've got AI producing posts on LinkedIn that

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Speaker 25: read like their posts produced by AI, and now you

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Speaker 25: can hack Strava. I think if it doesn't actually happen

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Speaker 25: in front of our noses, we're going to think, no,

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Speaker 25: this didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: We should have a healthy distrust, shouldn't we go? Thank

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Speaker 4: you very much, Ellie Jones read pr Tim Wilson Maximus

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Speaker 4: as you. Yeah, so what's what's happened is that read

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Speaker 4: the Strava app. It works the same as like Matt

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Speaker 4: My Run or any of those things, but there's't There's

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Speaker 4: another app called Fake my Run, in which you can

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Speaker 4: basically pretend you can make it makes it look like

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Speaker 4: you've done the run, and then you can load that

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Speaker 4: onto your Strava app, and then all your friends will go, oh, wow,

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Speaker 4: look at how far you've run. Wow, you're amazing, You're great.

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Speaker 4: But you haven't actually done it at all. And anyway,

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Speaker 4: I think just apropos what Tim was saying about distrusting

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Speaker 4: digital stuff. I have a smart watch, but I worry

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Speaker 4: about my smart watch because I worry a little bit,

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Speaker 4: ever so slightly obviously not enough to take it off,

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Speaker 4: but I worry ever so slightly about what's going to

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Speaker 4: happen with this data, because one day is the insurance

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Speaker 4: company going to look at it and go, yeah, well,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to pay for your hearing aids when

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Speaker 4: you're sixty five, because look at look at how many

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Speaker 4: times your smart watch told you it's too noisy and

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Speaker 4: you just went dismissed, dismissed, dismissed, dismissed, dismiss and you

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Speaker 4: stayed where it was noisy. You had a warning and actually, no,

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01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 4: we've seen what you That's what I'm worried about. And

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Speaker 4: what really worries me is that the shower sets it off.

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Speaker 4: Does you'll set it off because I'm in the shower

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Speaker 4: and it's like it's very noise, it's too noisy in here.

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Speaker 4: Well I can't get around that, can I. So it's lying.

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Speaker 4: And when the insurance company ruins my life by not

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Speaker 4: paying for my thing because of the data, it'll be

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01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 4: because I got it wrong. Eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper.

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Speaker 3: See Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my Art Radio

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01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 3: powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 4: Hither your health apps take movement, body temp, pulse, and

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Speaker 4: respiration into account for sleeping, not just lack of movement. Otherwise,

1381
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 4: working as a radio host would really boost sleep time.

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Speaker 4: Rude from Alan Hither, if you're showering with your phone,

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Speaker 4: you're addicted, mate, Bill, Hello, it's a smart watch. You're

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Speaker 4: not with your phone. Geez, get with it.

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Speaker 9: Hey.

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Speaker 4: By the way, a thing happened heither. Wasn't there another

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Speaker 4: National Party MP or a list who had to leave

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Speaker 4: due to doing something sexually dodgy? Yes, this is kind

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Speaker 4: of what I was alluding to when I was talking

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Speaker 4: Tim Wilson just before. There is now there's now a

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Speaker 4: kind of like a longish list of people associated with

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Speaker 4: the National Party to some extent who have been busted

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Speaker 4: doing weird things. Right, So Jake Bizant, remember he was

1394
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 4: a candidate, he impersonated his ex partner on dating apps.

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Speaker 4: And then you had Andrew Fulloun who was an MP

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Speaker 4: who was busted sending sexually explicit photos to a woman.

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Speaker 4: And now you've got this now, I think, I mean,

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Speaker 4: any right minded person would say, look, these are clearly

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Speaker 4: individual circumstances.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: It's not as if like people have people do weird things,

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01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 4: people have got secrets and you know, you can't really

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01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 4: like there's just a level of creep out there in

1404
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Speaker 4: society where if you hire people, you're going it some

1405
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Speaker 4: of them are going to be creeps, right, But unfortunately

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Speaker 4: it just allows the opposition to kind of throw that

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Speaker 4: thing at the National Party and be like, look, you're

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 4: you've got creepy people attached to you. So anyway, I

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Speaker 4: don't think it's good for them. Now we're going to talk.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to talk about something that Tacoota Ferris did

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Speaker 4: in the house earlier. I will do it later. Was

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Speaker 4: going to talk about the Gas to six. Got to

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Speaker 4: tell you about Dave Dobbin. So I went to Dave

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Speaker 4: Dobbin last night with the girls the concert club and

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Speaker 4: just can I just say I sometimes I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: that we actually appreciate how much of a legend this

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Speaker 4: sky is, which is and he doesn't do very many

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Speaker 4: shows nowadays, So when the tickets came up, we were like, yep, no,

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Speaker 4: we've got to go to this thing, right This guy,

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Speaker 4: a friend of mine, once said to me, if Dave

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Speaker 4: Dobbin didn't look like he did, which is ginger and short,

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Speaker 4: he would be world famous. And you'd have to agree

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Speaker 4: with that, don't you think, Because he is just so

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Speaker 4: unbelievably talented. He did just a fantastic set last night,

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Speaker 4: and I've got to say, you know, the signs of

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Speaker 4: the Parkinson's are obviously there, Like he was struggling. He

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Speaker 4: was struggling at times for breath, and I really felt

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Speaker 4: for him. But he did this fantastic set And then

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Speaker 4: I thought about it today about the songs he left

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Speaker 4: on the floor. He didn't even play Wailing, didn't even

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Speaker 4: play Loyal, didn't even play.

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Speaker 10: Outlook for Thursday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like that's basically Toto set list, do you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like that's the extent of Toto's

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01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 4: hits right there. He was like, I've got enough hits

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 4: in my set, don't need those three. So anyway, Oh

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01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 4: yet Asian sagarette, how good? How good? Anyway? Got on

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Speaker 4: your Dave, What a good night you gues next need

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Speaker 4: it's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Oh where business meets insight the business hours, we've hither

1441
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Speaker 3: duplessy Allen and mass insurance and investments, grow.

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Speaker 1: Your wealth, protect your future news talk, said b.

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Speaker 4: Even in coming up in the next hour with Jamie

1444
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 4: McKay's at the Radio Awards, getting himself at a ward

1445
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 4: he will be with us soon to tell us all

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Speaker 4: about it. Sam Dickey will talk us through just how

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Speaker 4: nuts that US debt level is. And we're going to

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Speaker 4: go to the UK right now at seven pass. Now

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Speaker 4: the debate on the punishment for the Maori parties has

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Speaker 4: just closed. Bit of a surprise as to how that happened.

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Speaker 9: We wo to on.

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Speaker 2: Is this?

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Speaker 4: You can't have a second speech?

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Speaker 9: Are you?

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Speaker 21: Are you moving emotion?

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Speaker 4: It is a I've just I am moving a point

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Speaker 4: for a minute.

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Speaker 9: It's okay.

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Speaker 1: That the debate on this question now close.

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Speaker 4: Nothing is straightforward about this, is it? Eight past six?

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Speaker 4: The New Zealand's gas situation is even worse than we

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Speaker 4: might have fought. Natural gas reserves have fallen twenty seven

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Speaker 4: percent compared to last year. Previously, we thought that our

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Speaker 4: annual gas production would fall below one hundred peda dules

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty nine, but it now looks like that's

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Speaker 4: actually gonna happen last year, which means running out of

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Speaker 4: gas faster than we thought. John Carnegie is the chief

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Speaker 4: executive of Energy Resources AlSi at all, Hey John, Hey

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Speaker 4: here you doing I'm okay? Should we be alarmed?

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Speaker 26: Well yep, But this is another sad chapter on the

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Speaker 26: Diary of our energy sector crisis?

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Speaker 4: Why should we be alarmed? What does this mean?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 26: Look, put, simply, with the rapidly reducing gas supply, I

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01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 26: guess reserves are at historical low levels. New Zealand's facing

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Speaker 26: higher energy prices, increased reliance on imported coal, uncertainty for

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Speaker 26: industrial users, and flow on potential impacts into the electricity security.

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01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 26: So you know, without rapid actually without rapid action to

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Speaker 26: improve our gas supplies, New Zealand will experience a collapse

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Speaker 26: in our gas deliveries before twenty thirty and actually experience

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Speaker 26: what I can only modestly describe as an energy shock.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so what does it mean if we have a

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Speaker 4: collapse in our gas supplies?

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Speaker 26: Oh, well, it means that we well, we'll try and

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Speaker 26: use alternatives. So as we're seeing in the electricity sector

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Speaker 26: where we're using coal.

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Speaker 4: Can we replace the level of gas that we would

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Speaker 4: lose in a collapse? Can we replace that with coal?

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Speaker 26: No, we can use more coal in the electricity system,

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Speaker 26: But no we can't.

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Speaker 4: We can't because John, there are times are there not

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Speaker 4: in normal winters, where everything is running full bore, including coal,

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Speaker 4: And even then we're just making it so if we

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Speaker 4: lose gas, then we're having blackouts, aren't we.

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Speaker 26: Well that's a pretty grim prognosis, but the risk it

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Speaker 26: certainly increases of us having blackouts. But I guess the

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Speaker 26: other issue is that we will be seeing more renewables

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Speaker 26: come on stream, but you know, they're not at scale

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Speaker 26: and they're not affordable at the moment. So an absence

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Speaker 26: of gas points us to a rather rocky five to

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Speaker 26: ten years.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what does an energy shock in New Zealand look like?

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Speaker 26: Well, I guess it means that Carla Stays will have

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01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,959
Speaker 26: nothing on that. I mean it means we have factories

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01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 26: closing for periods, we have periods where potentially we're without power.

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Speaker 26: But look, I don't particularly want to dwell on that,

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Speaker 26: because you know, ultimately the system will adjust and we

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Speaker 26: will get renewables or we will go without for a while.

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Speaker 26: But in terms of where we're at, we've got a

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Speaker 26: government that's increasingly and heavily engaged in the issue, as

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Speaker 26: you've seen with the two hundred million dollar fund, and

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Speaker 26: so the prospects we are hoping that these numbers are

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Speaker 26: at the lowest they will ever be, and that we

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Speaker 26: will see a turnaround in condition, is there a.

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Speaker 4: Risk that if our supply keeps on falling at the

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Speaker 4: rate that it is, that actually it gets to a

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Speaker 4: point where it starts to also deter investment because people

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Speaker 4: look at it and go, jees, it's just it's I mean,

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01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 4: that industry is just so tiny. Now we're not going

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Speaker 4: to bother.

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Speaker 26: Yes, but that's not the point that we're at. And

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Speaker 26: as I said, with the two hundred the changes that

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Speaker 26: the government's looking to do legislatively in terms of reversing

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Speaker 26: the band, ameliorating the worst excesses of the decommissioning rules

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Speaker 26: that was put on by the last government, and a

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01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 26: two hundred million dollar fund, you know, we're hopeful that investment,

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01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 26: the investment sentiment of the sect that will change towards

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Speaker 26: undertaking more activity and actually growing yeah guess reserves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here's hoping.

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Speaker 10: John.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much to really appreciate it. John can't

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Speaker 4: eggy Energy Resources OUTSIET or a chief executive.

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Speaker 9: Hey.

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Speaker 4: Speaking on the subject of energy, A formal complaint has

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01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 4: been lodged over Transpower against Transpower rather over that tower

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01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 4: falling over in Northland, you know, the one where the

1537
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 4: nuts weren't put on the bolts. You know that one,

1538
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 4: You know, the one with the clown music, that one.

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 4: The Electricity Authority is the one who's lodged this complaint

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 4: against Transpower. Basically, what it says is Transpower failed to

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01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 4: adhere to good industry practice around the maintenance of power. Now,

1542
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 4: this is not to be confused with the report that

1543
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 4: the Electricity Authority has done. This is a completely separate

1544
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,879
Speaker 4: process by the looks of things. So they've lodged this complaint,

1545
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 4: this formal complaint about the lack of adherence to good

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 4: industry practice. This now goes to an independent panel, which

1547
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,959
Speaker 4: called the Rulings Panel. If the Rulings Panel uphold the complaint,

1548
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 4: Transpower faces penalties of up to twelve million. I made that.

1549
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 4: I made them worrey exciting that it was two million dollars,

1550
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 4: but hey, look we'll take what we can get. Thirteen

1551
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Speaker 4: past six, It's the.

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Speaker 4: So what has happened? Just to get you completely across,

1558
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 4: this is the end of the matter with Parliament. They

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01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,839
Speaker 4: have now voted. The Martyr Party MPs have been suspended.

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01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 4: Sir Hannah might be at RAFITSI Clark, Hannah Rafty might

1561
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 4: be Clark. Sorry, I got an a mixed up there.

1562
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 4: She has been suspended for seven days. Debbie and Raweri

1563
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 4: have been suspended each for twenty one days. Now what

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 4: this means and Bryce Edwards when he was on earlier

1565
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 4: kind of alluded to this. What this means is that

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01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 4: Takuta Ferris says there are implications for the ewis that

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 4: he's involved with.

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Speaker 11: So I stand here before you as an OUI of

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Speaker 11: the song diferent people of Nazi Komenu, and as a

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01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 11: son of the sovereign people of Nazi Kenny, fully authorized

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01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 11: to speak on their behalf and declare to this house

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01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,440
Speaker 11: that we enact the rights of retortion and hereby suspend

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Speaker 11: our ongoing agreement and consent to tility or white Tongui

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01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 11: for a period of twenty one days.

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Speaker 4: So what he's saying is the two ew that he's

1576
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 4: involved with are going to basically stop just for twenty

1577
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 4: one days to spend their agreement on the Treaty of

1578
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 4: White Thangy. So we spoke to Nazi Kohungungu chair Baden Barber.

1579
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 4: I gave him a call about this word that this

1580
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 4: has happened, and said, what's up with this? What does

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01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 4: this even mean? Practically? If you're now not going to

1582
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 4: you're just pulling out for twenty one days, he said.

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01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 4: Takutaferras spoke to him about this idea in May so

1584
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 4: last month. He's surprised that Takutaferis is going ahead with

1585
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 4: it today. Could have at least sent him a text.

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01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 4: Barbara says the EWEI will take a break from engaging

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01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,759
Speaker 4: with the government while they conduct a series of hui

1588
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 4: with their people to figure out what the next twenty

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01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 4: five years of the EWI means. And he says engaging

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01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 4: with the government has been challenging. He wants to let

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01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 4: his people's always be heard. So in practical terms, I

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01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 4: don't really know what part of the treaty is he

1593
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 4: not going are they not going to do for twenty

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01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 4: one days? Just we'll find out.

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01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: Heather duplusy Ellen, listen, this is.

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Speaker 4: A thing that I am starting to I'm slightly obsessed

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01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 4: about and I'm slightly obsessed about this because obviously that

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01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 4: we boys about three and a half now, so we're

1599
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 4: kind of getting into that territory where you've got to

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01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 4: be choosing schools and stuff like that. You know, when

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01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 4: he's five, he goes off to school. Bang boy. Anyway,

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01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 4: open planing classrooms. I hate them. I think I hate them.

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01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 4: I think I hate the idea of them. And the

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01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 4: more that I see about them, the more I hate them.

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01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 4: And so today we find out that there is a

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Speaker 4: second christ school that's getting rid of them. This is

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 4: Shirley Boys High School. They are going to spend eight

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01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars to put the walls back up. So

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01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 4: what happened with Shirley Boys is they used to have

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Speaker 4: walls like every sensible school used to. But then when

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01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 4: the quake obviously just you know, had to go at

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Speaker 4: the school and they had to be rebuilt afterwards, it

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01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 4: was very, very in vogue with the Ministry of Education

1614
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 4: to knock all the wolves out and have those barn

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01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 4: style classrooms where everybody is just happy with like three

1616
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 4: hundred thousand children all in one giant room together. Sounds

1617
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 4: like a great idea. No, but it was very fashionable

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01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 4: the Ministry of Education at the time of the rebuild,

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01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 4: and so Shirley Boys decided to opt for it. And

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01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 4: so once it was all construction, dne blah blah blah

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01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 4: opens in twenty nineteen. Six years later. They hate it.

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01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 4: They are spending huge amounts of money to get rid

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01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 4: of it. The principle says the level of distraction was

1624
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 4: just too high. There was too much movement going on.

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01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 4: They can hear what is happening in the class next door.

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01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 4: They think, oh, that's interesting. That sounds interesting over there.

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Speaker 4: I wonder what they're doing, particularly if something's being played

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01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 4: on TV or anything like that. So that level of

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01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 4: distraction was a negative factor. He says. The staff are

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01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 4: absolutely thrilled that the walls are coming back. One teacher

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01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 4: is so happy she's been hugging the walls just because

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01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 4: she's so happy to have that level, that barrier there

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01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 4: between this set of boys and that set of boys.

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01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 4: At Angie Order High School was the first high school

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Speaker 4: to do it, and they did it last year. The

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01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 4: principal said, huge difference, huge difference. Said, it is not

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Speaker 4: what I was expecting. I was expecting a small shift

1638
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 4: in engagement, in attendance, in achievement. But it has gone

1639
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 4: through the roof. It's made a massive difference in everything

1640
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 4: in the school now. I don't know about you, but

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01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that we were having this debate at

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01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 4: the time that they were doing it, and we were going,

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01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 4: this is not a good idea. No, we've got No,

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01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 4: we've got children, and it's really good if we can

1645
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 4: sort of, you know, not distract them when we're trying

1646
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 4: to trying to do a thing. No, they said, no,

1647
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 4: let's take all the walls out and see how that

1648
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 4: goes for us. The Ministry of Education does not have

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01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 4: figures on how many schools have or want to convert

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01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 4: away from their barn spaces. I beg you, it's a lot.

1651
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 4: Six twenty.

1652
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 3: The Rural Reports with MSD Animal Health home of SELVEXM

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Speaker 4: It's coming up.

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Speaker 20: Six twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Jamie Mackay, Hosts of the Country. I Jmie, hello, it's

1657
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 4: great to be here in person. Congratulations on your award.

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01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 7: Well a lot for again, what's it for? I think

1659
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 7: it's something like outstanding contribution to radio, But in brackets.

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01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1661
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 7: To be honest, I've been trying to win a radio

1662
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 7: award for thirty years and I eventually won something only

1663
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 7: I've been hanging around.

1664
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 4: Is this the one they give?

1665
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 11: Like?

1666
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 4: This is the one that they give to someone who's

1667
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: tried heaps of times and not one. Yeah, they go,

1668
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 4: let's just put the guy out of his misery, given

1669
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 4: this one.

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01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then normally just before they put you out

1671
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 7: to pasture.

1672
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 4: So are we scouting for a Jamie replacement? Then of

1673
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 4: course we're not. Jamie. You deserve it because you've done

1674
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 4: a fantastic job, haven't you be honest about it?

1675
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: Oh?

1676
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 26: No?

1677
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 7: But I mean the one thing I have achieved is

1678
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 7: way early on, I think I saw there was a

1679
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 7: gap in commercial radio for rural programming, and we tied

1680
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 7: that in with a bit of farming and footy. We

1681
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 7: were doing rugby commentaries back in the day, down on

1682
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 7: Hokkanui and Gore. Yeah, And so I was often say

1683
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 7: in life here that you don't have to be the best.

1684
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 7: I'm far from the best. I'm no here, I'm no husk.

1685
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: Was.

1686
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 7: What I was smart enough to do was to realize

1687
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 7: there was an opportunity. First so you know, thirty years

1688
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 7: or thirty one years in my case, Rural Broadcasting still

1689
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 7: own a couple of radio stations down South, even though

1690
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 7: one's a computer. Rack and Belcluther, Heather, But it's been

1691
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 7: a great journey, and the likes of my dear cousin

1692
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 7: You're better half, actually your worse half, Barry, like he's

1693
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 7: been on my show like for thirty years. So we

1694
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 7: just formed these long, long bonds. And I've been speaking

1695
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 7: to the Prime Minister of the day every year since

1696
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 7: the year two thousand. When Helen Clark came asked to

1697
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 7: go on to our show, did she down on South?

1698
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 7: And simply because, Heather and you're a student of political history.

1699
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 7: Simply because there was this young whipper snapper called Bill

1700
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 7: English who she thought was a bit of a threat.

1701
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, she thought, get him while get listen, Jamie.

1702
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 4: What I think you're too hard on yourself. But what

1703
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 4: I want to say is the thing that you have

1704
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 4: got is that you're immensely likable. And I think that's

1705
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 4: that's the most important thing. And I could keep trying

1706
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 4: to do that too. I could keep working on that one.

1707
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 7: You know, the only soft thing about you is your teeth.

1708
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 4: That's exactly Thank you for being honest, Bears now.

1709
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 7: You need that in your job. I'm not as hard

1710
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 7: hitting as don't listen.

1711
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 4: I don't want to turn this into a mutual admiration society,

1712
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 4: but a family own the fact that you are a

1713
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,839
Speaker 4: wonderfully likable man, and that is very very important. Incredibly

1714
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 4: some people would say charming. Now is it beers now?

1715
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's bears now. So we've got the formalities out

1716
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 7: of the road, and I know that you. I mean,

1717
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 7: you've been that busy working. You can only go to

1718
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 7: the after match, so I'm really looking forward to catching

1719
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 7: up with you with cousin Barry afterwards. It's always a

1720
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 7: pleasure to be up in Auckland with the big guns.

1721
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 4: Got on you, Jamie, listen, go well, go and enjoy

1722
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 4: your beersies and we'll see you there shortly enough. It's

1723
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 4: Jeremy McKay, Host of the Country. Now Elon Musk. A

1724
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 4: couple of things to tell you about Elon Musk. So

1725
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 4: apparently his staff in Washington are a bunch of filth.

1726
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you're aware of this, but

1727
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 4: what happened as Doge his little outfit that he was running,

1728
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 4: took over the offices of a Washington nonprofit agency, the

1729
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 4: US Institute of Peace Officers. They took them over in

1730
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 4: March and they were there until May, and then at

1731
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Speaker 4: that point a district court judge over there ruled the

1732
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 4: seizure was illegal and they had to leave the offices

1733
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 4: and stuff. But apparently they trashed the place. This is

1734
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 4: only in the space of two months, maximum three if

1735
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 4: you count each month as a full months. Right March

1736
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 4: April May, they trashed the building. They left behind drugs,

1737
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 4: They attracted rats and cockroaches. The chief of security, Colin O'Brien,

1738
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 4: told The Independent that food left behind by the use

1739
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 4: of staff and the office a cafe, and in the

1740
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 4: office cafe becan to decompose, attracting rats. Water pipes dried

1741
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 4: out from a lack of use and became highways for

1742
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 4: cockroaches heading inside the office to feed on the rotting

1743
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 4: remains of the food. There was widespread vandalism, including graffiti

1744
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 4: and flags and logos had been removed as war trophies.

1745
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 4: This is what you know, because you can just you

1746
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 4: can just imagine that Elon just associates with far too

1747
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 4: many men. Do you know what I mean, like he

1748
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 4: seems like that kind of guy. He's like lots of

1749
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 4: blokes around him. Well, if there's too many blokes, it

1750
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 4: just gets dirty. And I rest my case. Anyway, Elon

1751
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 4: back here, still struggling to get people to buy his

1752
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 4: Tesla's because of course he's he's completely irritated his usual

1753
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 4: fan base, who are like, you know, like people who

1754
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 4: care about the climate and care about voting left and stuff.

1755
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 4: That too irritated that I don't want to buy the

1756
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 4: Tesla's anymore. So our electric vehicle sales have rebounded, but

1757
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 4: Tesla is still struggling to kind of get back up

1758
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:36,560
Speaker 4: again in New Zealand. So Polestars Polestar two car is

1759
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 4: the number one evy. In May, they managed to register

1760
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 4: seventy two of them. But the Tesla model why only fifty.

1761
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 4: Now you might go, oh, well that's not bad. Fifty

1762
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 4: for May and the other one's seventy two. Not a

1763
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 4: huge difference, But remember the Tesla model why is Tesla's

1764
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 4: biggest seller, So you would expect those guys to be

1765
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 4: doing big numbers. Anyway, This is the price you paid.

1766
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 4: This is what I keep saying, right, don't get into politics.

1767
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 4: If you'll if you actually are supposed to be doing

1768
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 4: something else, you're doing business, if you're doing sport, don't

1769
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 4: get in because you will lose customers or you will

1770
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 4: lose fans. Because politics is just too intense at the minute.

1771
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 4: You just want to stay right out of it.

1772
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 10: And if you are going to get into politics, at

1773
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 10: least do your dishes for the rats, don't search.

1774
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 4: Oh goodness, man man and the cockroach is using the

1775
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 4: pipes as highways headlines.

1776
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 3: Next, everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business

1777
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 3: Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas, Insurance and investments,

1778
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 3: Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1779
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 1: These talks en be.

1780
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 4: Ender oh updates on ender End has pulled out of

1781
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 4: the race. Enda has pulled out of the race. So

1782
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 4: I'm going to give you the reasons for that shortly.

1783
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 4: God Elizabeth Callahan with us in about ten minutes time

1784
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 4: out of the UK here that the only reason that

1785
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 4: primary schools went through with the open planned classrooms was

1786
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 4: because it was the only way that you could get

1787
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 4: upgrades in your schools. But I think you'll find that

1788
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 4: most had movable walls put in pretty much straight away

1789
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 4: because the older teachers had been through this before and

1790
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 4: knew it wasn't going to work. Lull, Thank you, Lynn.

1791
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 4: I think everybody who's ever had a child surely would

1792
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 4: have looked at it and gone, that's not going to work.

1793
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 4: But anyway, whatever, You've got to let the educators keep

1794
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 4: on trying the latest fashionable thing, don't you twenty four

1795
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 4: away from seven, Sam Dickey for your funds with me? Now,

1796
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 4: Hey Sam, Heather, we're going, oh mate, very well. We've

1797
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 4: got to talk about this US debt burden because this

1798
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 4: has been getting a lot of attention at the moment.

1799
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 4: What is going on? Where are we at with the

1800
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 4: US debt burden?

1801
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 27: So they owe thirty six trillion dollars, it's about one

1802
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 27: hundred thousand dollars per person, which is one hundred and

1803
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 27: twenty five percent of GDP And that compares to US

1804
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 27: in Australia about fifty percent of GDP. But it's similar

1805
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 27: to heavily indebted countries like It's Lee, Greece, France and

1806
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,719
Speaker 27: even China. And it's in the spotlight right now because

1807
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 27: one hundred and twenty five five around the peak we

1808
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 27: saw post immediately post World War Two, when the US

1809
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 27: had to borrow a lot to finance it's war effort.

1810
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 27: And critically, US interest rates, especially those medium term interest.

1811
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 2: Rates, are near their highs.

1812
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 27: So the thirty year interest rates that had eight year high,

1813
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 27: and that means annual interest payments on that debt pile

1814
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 27: are now over one trillion dollars. Then, of course we

1815
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 27: have Trump's big, beautiful bill, and those against that say

1816
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 27: we'll left government debt by three to five trillion over

1817
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 27: the next decade.

1818
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 4: Somebody sent me a couple of charts on this today, Sam,

1819
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 4: and it was it was remarkable to see how the

1820
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 4: debt had kind of run along the ground for such

1821
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 4: a long time, and then all of a sudden you

1822
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,839
Speaker 4: get this enormous spike. Have they got just a problem

1823
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 4: with their attitude towards debt there at the moment in

1824
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 4: the last fifty sixty.

1825
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 27: Years, Well, yes, they've I think. I guess it was

1826
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 27: basically in the eighties or post the eighties, and certainly

1827
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 27: into the nineties when they became addicted to debt and

1828
01:25:55,320 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 27: the green span put got put in place where so

1829
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 27: every time there was a slight problem, he'd cut interest rates,

1830
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 27: stoke propensity to borrow, and stoke growth. So I do

1831
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 27: think not just then, but I think everyone around the

1832
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 27: world has got a little bit of a problem and

1833
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 27: is slightly addicted to debt.

1834
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 4: So what are the risks. Some of the risks are

1835
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 4: quite hoppy or something.

1836
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 27: Well, yeah, I mean the worst case scenario, and I've

1837
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 27: got to say I think this is a very low probability,

1838
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 27: is we're knocking on the door of what some people

1839
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 27: call the debt doom loop. So that's that self reinforcing

1840
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 27: cycle whereby that the debt burden reaches a tipping point

1841
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 27: and that drives up the borrowing costs that lenders would want.

1842
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 27: They'd want a high risk premium, which in turn drives

1843
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 27: up debt. And as the cost of borrowing rises for

1844
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 27: the government, it would also rise for individuals and businesses.

1845
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 27: That would drive down GDP growth and therefore further inflate

1846
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 27: dead as a percentage of GDP. Now that is quite

1847
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 27: a doomsday scenario. Before we get too excited, a couple

1848
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 27: of things. Firstly, the US dollar is the world reserve currency.

1849
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 27: They can print more dollars to ensure they don't default.

1850
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 27: It's not that attractive either. But also at the stage

1851
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 27: GDP growth is higher than interest costs, so we're nowhere

1852
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 27: near a doom loop. We should all brace though hither

1853
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 27: I think for more of that political brinksmanship you and

1854
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 27: I have talked about before, back in twenty twenty three,

1855
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 27: when the government debt ceiling is close to being breached,

1856
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 27: and that whole debate with Congress will come up in

1857
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 27: August of this year, So watch out for that extremely

1858
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 27: low probability but extremely high impact event if it ever happened.

1859
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 27: How do they solve this, well, three ways, faster growth,

1860
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 27: or fiscal discipline, or financial repression. So that's keeping interest

1861
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 27: rates artificially low, so taking each one of those in

1862
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 27: turn on faster growth.

1863
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: Of course, the maths is simple.

1864
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 27: Accelerating GDP reduces debt divided by GDP, and of course

1865
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 27: everyone wants faster growth, but the problem is that usually

1866
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 27: comes with higher inflation and therefore higher interest rates. Now

1867
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 27: there is some early, early hope that AI can drive

1868
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 27: productivity and economic growth while driving down prices we shall see.

1869
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 27: On the austerity side or fiscal discipline, no one, No

1870
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 27: one wants that from a political point of view, and

1871
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 27: that's why it's often not used in the market. Had

1872
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 27: hope the doge, and it's promised to cut wastage would

1873
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 27: be the first step in this austerity journey, but obviously

1874
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 27: musks out on his ear and it seems like those

1875
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 27: big savings are a pipe dream. Let's not forget, though,

1876
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 27: that the US is driven down debt post World War II,

1877
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 27: which drove of debt from around current levels one hundred

1878
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 27: and twenty five percent of GDP to thirty percent, and

1879
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 27: they also did it again in the nineteen eighties and

1880
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 27: then Portugal, Italy Island, Greece and Spain, the pigs in

1881
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 27: Europe had austerity forced upon them during the European financial crisis.

1882
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 2: That this is absolutely doable.

1883
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 4: Okay, So what do investors need to think about when

1884
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 4: they're thinking about all this stuff.

1885
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 27: Well, that the good news is that the riskers front

1886
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 27: and center really is and it's been openly debated by

1887
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 27: investors and politicians.

1888
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 2: That's great news. It's also good news that we learn post.

1889
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 27: Liberation Day that Trump doesn't care about stock prices, but

1890
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 27: he does react to the bond market because the rise

1891
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 27: in interest rates affected everyone. It's always true that politicians

1892
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 27: have said for many years, we all know what to do,

1893
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 27: but we don't know how to do it and get

1894
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 27: re elected so we probably need the market, or more

1895
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 27: specifically the bond market and rising interest rates to force

1896
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 27: politicians hands.

1897
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 2: So we should be watching this one pretty closely.

1898
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 4: As always, Thank you so much, Sam, I really appreciate

1899
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 4: it that Sam Dickey for your funds. It's nineteen away

1900
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 4: from seven ever do for Ce Allen. This is a

1901
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 4: fair point, aproposed me saying some time ago that I

1902
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 4: thought that I well, I had a friend of mine

1903
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 4: said to me, consider this, If Dave Dobbyin wasn't ginger

1904
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 4: and short, he'd be world famous because he's such a

1905
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 4: blinking legion when it comes to the guitar and the

1906
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 4: old vocal pipes. A lot of people have pointed out

1907
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 4: Ed Shearon is ginger and short. Somebody mark's gone on

1908
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 4: a limit saying, ed, Shearon is ginger and ugly, which is,

1909
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 4: you know, harsh but true. So but and I'm going

1910
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 4: to counter that debate by saying, yes, but Ed Sheeran

1911
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 4: is ginger, short and living in the UK, so he's

1912
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 4: got a geographic advantage over our Dave. And also when

1913
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 4: he started, he was a lot younger than you know.

1914
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 4: When Dave broke away from from the bands and went solo,

1915
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 4: I think he was a little bit more on the

1916
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 4: old side, do you know what I mean? I still

1917
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 4: think that Dave is I just think that once again,

1918
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 4: I just don't think that we appreciate how amazing Dave

1919
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 4: is that doing music because we just kind of take

1920
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 4: him for granted. And also because he did that stink

1921
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,560
Speaker 4: thing with fat foot rat foot flats blah blah, you

1922
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Yeah, that was rubbish shay, Like,

1923
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 4: let's be honest about it. Slice of Heaven sucks. I

1924
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 4: mean that dragged down his average, didn't it? Like everything

1925
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 4: else was way up there with It's like after hit

1926
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 4: after hit after hit. You know, all those great tunes

1927
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 4: out of the old the dudes ded he smash. He

1928
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 4: had all of that, and you had all of all

1929
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 4: his epportunes that he was doing by himself. Pour the

1930
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 4: wine beside beside, But then blinking, oh man, that song

1931
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 4: sucks Slice of Heaven. Doesn't it drag down the average

1932
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 4: big time? Think he did himself a disservice with that anyway.

1933
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 4: Can I just say, on the subject of New Zealand singers,

1934
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 4: is there anything that Anika Moore cannot do? Because this

1935
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 4: woman is a legend, and once again I think that

1936
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 4: we do take her for granted, and I don't think

1937
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 4: we realize how awesome she is. And when you listen

1938
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 4: to the kiddie songs, you'll understand what I mean, because

1939
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 4: you can wildly. You can entertain your child with some

1940
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:40,679
Speaker 4: beautiful music that you also like, unlike Coco Malon. For example,

1941
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 4: she has written a book. It's called The Witch of

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Speaker 4: Makatu and the Bleating Lambs. She has now been nominated

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Speaker 4: as a finalist for the Best First Book in this

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Speaker 4: year's New Zealand Children and Young Adult Book Awards. So

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Speaker 4: she's a mum, she's a radio host, she's a singer,

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Speaker 4: like quite a significantly successful scene. And now it turns

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Speaker 4: out she writes kid's books as well. Sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 3: The Business Hour with him duplan and there's insurance and investments,

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Speaker 3: grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 4: News talks, it'd be right thirteen away from seven, and

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Speaker 4: Elizabeth Callahan is our UK correspondent. Elizabeth. Hello, Hi there, Heather,

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Speaker 4: doing well. Thank you. Can you guys afford five percent

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Speaker 4: on defense spending?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not so.

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Speaker 28: Obviously, Donald Trump is calling for NATO Nations to spend

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Speaker 28: five percent of its GDP on defense. We're having arguments

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Speaker 28: in the UK at the moment about pushing it to

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Speaker 28: three percent, so all of this week. I spake to

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Speaker 28: you earlier this week about pressure on the government to

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Speaker 28: increase it to thirty percent to pay for this big

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Speaker 28: strategic defense review that they unveiled earlier this week. So

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Speaker 28: Pete Hogsworth has reiterated this again this morning, taking a

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Speaker 28: message to Muscles where defense NATO defense ministers are meeting

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Speaker 28: and saying that they want this five percent. As they say,

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Speaker 28: the defense ministers are all meeting. Our Defense Secretary John

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Speaker 28: Healy is kind of trying to get away from the

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Speaker 28: whole percentage talk by talking about this review that we

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Speaker 28: published this week. But we've said the three percent would

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Speaker 28: be going up in the next parliamentary term. Starmers said

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Speaker 28: that won't confirm when, and obviously that's really far away.

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Speaker 28: We're up to two point five and twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 28: But there's this is another headache really for our Chancellor

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Speaker 28: Rachel Reeves. It's trying to balance the books, trying to

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Speaker 28: give money to you know, lots and lots of different departments,

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Speaker 28: and I just don't know how this is going to

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Speaker 28: pay unless there's going to be tax rises even to

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Speaker 28: get to the three percent.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you guys could go down the path that

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Speaker 4: we've gone down, which Argentina has gone down in a

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Speaker 4: really significant way, and actually cut spending. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: feel like even the labor government is lining up for

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a trembeck on the welfare. Don't

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Speaker 4: you think.

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Speaker 9: That is a brave move there, Heather?

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Speaker 28: You are not, you know, getting pressured. I think there's

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Speaker 28: so much pressure now from NATO and Trump and you

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Speaker 28: know they want to shot my.

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Speaker 4: Ideas, just shut it down. It's just not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: I'm afraid. It's a please ask for you guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we'll try. Oh look the baby steps on our side.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry about it. We're hardly there as well. Listen,

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Speaker 4: how on earth the scammers actually get the bitter of

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Speaker 4: the tax authority?

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Speaker 6: I have no idea.

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Speaker 28: So h M r c's are government tax office and

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Speaker 28: it's been revealed today this came to light in a

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Speaker 28: select committee, usually very very dull kind of committees. Scammers

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Speaker 28: have stolen nearly fifty million pounds from the tax authority

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Speaker 28: through a fishing scam, So this isn't a cyber attack

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Speaker 28: or hacking. They're very keen to say that, even though

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Speaker 28: it is kind of a kind of to be honest.

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Speaker 28: So people use personal information to set up accounts and

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Speaker 28: then went on to claim tax rebates. So quite but

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Speaker 28: quite how forty seven million pounds went missing without nobody's

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Speaker 28: sort of realizing, you know, they've said it's a lot

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Speaker 28: of money. It is very unacceptable.

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Speaker 9: But the.

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Speaker 28: Parliamentary chairs is like, how on earth has this got

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Speaker 28: to happen?

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Speaker 4: And how are we only hearing about it?

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Speaker 28: This happened last year, there has been a criminal investigation,

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Speaker 28: there has been a rest, but this is only really

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Speaker 28: coming to light now.

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Speaker 4: The press has got a hold of it.

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Speaker 28: So lots of questions and obviously that's money that could

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Speaker 28: be going towards our defense.

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Speaker 9: Well there you go, There you.

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Speaker 4: Go, all wealthy, depending on how you want to split it, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of places, Elizabeth, thank you has always

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Speaker 4: appreciated Elizabeth Callahan, a UK responding yes, so indo, Brady, So.

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Speaker 10: I have a lord.

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Speaker 4: I don't really know what he's going to do now.

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Speaker 4: I would expect that he'd probably goes straight back to work,

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Speaker 4: but maybe he needs a little bit of time to

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Speaker 4: you know, nurses as he go, because he's pulled out

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Speaker 4: of the race. So I don't know if you're aware

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Speaker 4: of it, but he's been down in Peru and he's

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Speaker 4: been doing this two hundred and thirty k's Jungle Ultra

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Speaker 4: and it's basically five stages, right, so he's got to

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Speaker 4: run with like a huge amount of gear, a reasonable

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Speaker 4: amount of gear on your back. They give you the

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Speaker 4: water and stuff like that. I think they may give

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Speaker 4: you the food. But anyway, you do five marathons in

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Speaker 4: five days, so you do a marathon camp, stay the night,

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Speaker 4: do a marathon camp, stay the night, and you do

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Speaker 4: that over the five days. He's pulled out at stage three.

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Speaker 4: He says, the phenomenal sport has taken my legs everywhere

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Speaker 4: from the Arctic Circle to Kenya to the Amazon. But

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Speaker 4: he basically decided he's got to pull out because he

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Speaker 4: has a family and he can put himself at risk.

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Speaker 4: And he's done it on his Instagram. If you want

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Speaker 4: to follow him, it'd be thrilled with that does it

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Speaker 4: on his Instagram and frankly does look like he's but

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Speaker 4: he's a butt naked and while you know, no one

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Speaker 4: likes a quitter, I'd probably have quit before I even started,

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Speaker 4: if I'm completely honest. Seems like madness to even do

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Speaker 4: it in the first place. Eight away from.

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Speaker 3: Seven, it's the Heather Toop c Allen Drive Full Show

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Speaker 4: Six away from seven, here's some money we can save

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Speaker 4: if we want to try and save some money so

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Speaker 4: that we can boost up our defense spending or something

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Speaker 4: like that. Taxpayers Union reckons that the Department of Conservation

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Speaker 4: has been shelling out huge amounts of money for reports

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Speaker 4: to be written for them. They that's weird who they're paying.

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Speaker 4: They're paying a group called the Environmental Defense Society, who

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Speaker 4: the Taxpayers Union reckon are basically eco lobbyists. They're just

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Speaker 4: lobbyists who care heaps about the environment. And apparently these

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Speaker 4: guys produced two reports for one hundred and fifty seven

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars. And when you look at how much they

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Speaker 4: paid per page, it's about five hundred and sixty dollars

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Speaker 4: per page per page. Hello, have you heard of AI

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Speaker 4: as free? Well, no, it's not free. It's forty dollars

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Speaker 4: a month. As I'm finding out, but that's quite as significant. Say,

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Speaker 4: maybe I should just get in touch. Should I just

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Speaker 4: do us as solid as a country? Should I just

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Speaker 4: be a concerned citizen and just right to the Department

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Speaker 4: of Conservation and be like, Hi, guys, how about if

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Speaker 4: you just get AI to do it. It'll cost you

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Speaker 4: forty bucks and they can do eachs of reports while

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Speaker 4: you just get pump them all out in one month.

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Speaker 4: This lot have apparently managed to get half a million

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Speaker 4: dollars from the Department of Conservation and the Ministry of

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Speaker 4: Environment since twenty twenty three. She's honestly the profligate waste

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Speaker 4: of money. By the way, have you seen the video

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Speaker 4: of Megan Markle doing that? Have you seen it?

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Speaker 21: Though?

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Speaker 4: I'm raising this because people, it's drawing the trial as

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Speaker 4: it should. She's posted a video she's been like, yay,

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Speaker 4: happy birthday to my four year old, and gay, I

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Speaker 4: look happy. You know, children are a blessing and I'm

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Speaker 4: very happy that she has a four year old and

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Speaker 4: that the baby is healthy and everything is wonderful. But

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Speaker 4: then she decided to post like throwback to when you

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Speaker 4: were being born and it's a picture of her like

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Speaker 4: ginormous about to have the Baby in the Birthing Sweet

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Speaker 4: with Harry Dancing. It is a video of If you

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Speaker 4: want to understand why people don't like Megan Marcle, go

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Speaker 4: and watch that video. See how inauthentic and try hard

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Speaker 4: and lame that is and cringey, and then you'll be like, oh,

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Speaker 4: now I get it.

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Speaker 10: You're welcome and Naked Flame by Dave Dowin Good.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, yeah, we had to go out with the Dave

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Speaker 29: Dobbin song after you had such a good time at

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Speaker 29: the game of the Auckland town Hall last night. So yeah,

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Speaker 29: I'm happy to say this. You packed this one because

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Speaker 29: you're a big fan of it. I'd never heard of

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Speaker 29: the song before all, but yeah, off his nineteen ninety

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Speaker 29: four album was I.

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Speaker 4: Don't even want to ask your opinion because I don't care, Heather,

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Speaker 4: because I don't want you to ruin it, And so

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Speaker 4: I do care.

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Speaker 10: No, no, no, that's fine.

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Speaker 4: I love you, yep, don't.

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Speaker 10: We're playing the song. Won't matter what my opinion is.

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Speaker 10: That's fine.

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Speaker 4: Here the Dave Dobbin looks like Yoda. Now, I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna lie. Last night, when I asked the gig, he

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Speaker 4: turned around and I said, oh my gosh, Dave Doublin

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Speaker 4: looks like my baby. He does from behind. What they

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Speaker 4: have is bald heads and sticking out.

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Speaker 10: He is the peer of Your baby looks like Yoda.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yes, my baby, Well obviously don't all babies look

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Speaker 4: like Yoda. My baby looks like Dave Dobbin And what

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Speaker 4: a blessing that is. See you tomorrow

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