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Speaker 1: Heller Duper see Allen nineteen past five. Now listen, as

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Speaker 1: we're telling you earlier. There's a UK singer called Kate

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Speaker 1: Nash and she's announced that she's going on the explicit

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Speaker 1: website Only Fans to sell pictures of her bum to

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Speaker 1: make ends meet, because apparently she makes a loss when

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Speaker 1: she goes touring. Now, she's not the only musician to

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Speaker 1: do this, right, Lily Allen is already selling pictures of

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Speaker 1: her feet on Only Fans. Brent Eckles is a concert

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Speaker 1: promote and is with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Brent, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you. This is crazy, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Do you know any musicians who are going on only Fans?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't, but I do know a fair bit

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Speaker 2: about the economics of touring. Yeah, yeah, you know. It's

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Speaker 2: you have to have to have a closer look about

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Speaker 2: what she's doing and what her costs are or the

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Speaker 2: ticket prices are, and work out while she has a problem.

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Speaker 1: I love how you did. They're like, it's not my

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Speaker 1: wheelhouse the porn website, but I can talk about the touring, okay.

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Speaker 1: So basically what she suggested is that musicians don't make

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Speaker 1: money off selling their gear anymore. They hardly make any

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Speaker 1: money off of Spotify, and now they're not making money

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Speaker 1: off touring. But is this a Kate Nash problem or

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Speaker 1: is this a touring problem?

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Speaker 2: It's a Kate Nash problem. I had to look at

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Speaker 2: the venues she's playing, and she's playing a venues around

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Speaker 2: a fifteen hundred capacity, so it will be tough. You

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Speaker 2: have to be very careful when you're doing that and

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Speaker 2: watch the dollars, and you have to tour to a

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Speaker 2: level that you can afford. And if you play those

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Speaker 2: kinds of venues, you can actually make money, not a

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Speaker 2: lot of money, but I would say that, you know,

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Speaker 2: have a looked at your career. Do you want to

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Speaker 2: keep doing this? Because she broke about two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 2: so it's quite a long time ago, so you know,

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Speaker 2: you got to keep it. You got to keep feeding

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Speaker 2: the machine. And there are lots of cases of artists

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Speaker 2: who do are very careful about their money, do very

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Speaker 2: well and can show a good style of living based

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Speaker 2: on that career.

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Speaker 1: Interesting that Lily Allen's so Lily Allen's quite a big name,

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Speaker 1: but then again she's I don't think she's touring anymore.

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Speaker 1: So Spotify, you can't. You can't just rest on your

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Speaker 1: laurels and wait for the Spotify dollars to me, can

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Speaker 1: you No?

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Speaker 2: And you know Spotify is you've got to get a lot,

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Speaker 2: a lot of streams. It's based on quantity and an

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Speaker 2: awful lot of them so that pay very little per stream.

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of difficult. But if they're successful at

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Speaker 2: what you do, and you work at your career a lot,

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Speaker 2: I think every chance will make really good money. And

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Speaker 2: I've seen lots of New Zealand musicians do very well. Also, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: very good point.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Brent, thanks very much, appreciate it. Brent Echos concert promoted.

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