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Speaker 2: Hell are you great?

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Speaker 3: New Zealanders? Welcome to Mantin Tyler Full Show Podcast number one,

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Speaker 3: six oh four. Monday, the fourteenth of July twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: the birthday of my son. Happy birthday. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why I boy to say, Nattie definitely won't be listening.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday though, Yeah, happy birthday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great show today. You challenging for some when we

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Speaker 3: went into simulation theory, but I make no apologies for

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Speaker 3: talking about shit that interested me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought that was a fascinating chat. I was

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Speaker 2: out of my death, no doubt about it. But man,

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Speaker 2: there were some very bright people that called him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some bright people. There's also some controversy around

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Speaker 3: some misunderstanding from our listeners. When we were talking about

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Speaker 3: what would happen if across the flux and got hit

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Speaker 3: by a bus. We weren't saying that we wanted that

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Speaker 3: to happen, or even speculating whether it would. It was

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Speaker 3: more of just the saying what happens when the Prime

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Speaker 3: minister goes down and got some great calls on that

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Speaker 3: and some very soft texts. But it was a great show.

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Speaker 3: I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Leak issues, the big trends and everything in between. Matt

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Speaker 2: Talk said the well, get a to you. Welcome into

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Speaker 2: today's show, Monday, the fourteenth of July. Fantastic to have

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Speaker 2: your company as always.

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Speaker 3: Hey you, Matts, get a Tyler, get everyone, Welcome to

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Speaker 3: the show. We've got three hours of quality entertainment carefully

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Speaker 3: cobbled together.

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Speaker 2: For you, beautifully said, and that we do after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be a really interesting conversation. Have

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Speaker 2: you heard of the simulation theory. It is the idea

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Speaker 2: that we may be living in an advanced computer simulation.

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Speaker 2: You've written about this before, Matt Heath and looked into

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Speaker 2: this at depth. That's right.

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Speaker 3: I've interviewed several high level physicists about it as well,

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Speaker 3: and particle physicists including Professor Brian Cox. Yeah, the Manchurian

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Speaker 3: about whether we're living in a simulation or not. It

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Speaker 3: may sound ridiculous to you, but if you accept that

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Speaker 3: we will one day be able to make simulations indistinguishable

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Speaker 3: from reality, then how do you know you're not already

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Speaker 3: in one? If you accept that they can exist, when

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Speaker 3: I thought I was definitely living in a simulation in

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Speaker 3: the weekend when I made my kids watch Jaws with me,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, too much of a coincidence, but that it's going

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Speaker 2: to be a really interesting chat after three o'clock. After

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Speaker 2: two o'clock, how did you come back from redundancy? Broadcast

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Speaker 2: to Melissa chan Green. She faced a public redundancy and

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Speaker 2: she told her story to the Prosperity Project. It's in

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Speaker 2: the Herald, but we want to hear from you. If

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Speaker 2: you have faced redundancy, how did you deal with getting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you take your redundancy personally? I've known some

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Speaker 2: Things exactly looking forward to that after talk clock. But

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Speaker 2: and any sort of succession plan. Turns out they don't

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Speaker 4: Just not a consideration at this point, and not a consideration.

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Speaker 5: You can't control the bus, Chris. If the bus gets you,

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Speaker 4: Gets well, I won't. It won't matter because I won't

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Speaker 5: So he's down to Nicola or bish or Erica or Simeon.

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Speaker 4: the right places on the right assignment. So you're proud

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Speaker 5: Automatically Nichola's number two, she should do it.

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Speaker 4: Look, we're just we focused on getting on with the

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Speaker 4: And it's just not a consideration.

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Speaker 3: I think the PM is missing the point there. They're

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Speaker 3: if you get hit by a bus tomorrow, mate, who's

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Speaker 3: who's Who's the person that steps up and is the

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Speaker 3: saying Winston Peter's no or David Sima an interim if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly as.

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Speaker 2: And as Audrey did say in her piece, it's not uncommon,

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Speaker 3: This is a very amusing text by someone that a

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Speaker 2: You prick?

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Speaker 3: Whoa says this text for a nine to two tone.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit of a sensitive person that got offended

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Speaker 3: I mean what I would say to that, dear texter,

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Speaker 3: dear emotionally charged texter. Firstly, I will drop dead at

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Speaker 3: why don't you drop dead yourself, your pracice.

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Speaker 2: I will.

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Speaker 3: It might be forty years away, fifty years away, but

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Speaker 3: I promise you I will drop dead. But secondly, what

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Speaker 3: I would say is the tent it's not really an

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Speaker 3: Richard John Snedden Sidden, a very famous prime minister, dropped

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Speaker 2: This is a very famous one, of course.

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Speaker 3: Michael Joseph Savage nineteen forty he died from cancer as well,

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Speaker 3: So that's come one. Just my basic math on that,

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Speaker 2: More than a one in ten chance. That's quite high.

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Speaker 2: So I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Who could

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Speaker 3: Texas says, might as well be bloody Christopher, Bloody Chippy.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Because they seem to agree on the same on all

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Speaker 2: I imagine he'd love to be head of the National Party.

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Speaker 2: You get good numbers, I.

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Speaker 3: Think Luxe and will be putting that in there his

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Speaker 2: Thirty past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons

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Speaker 2: Be it is sixteen past one and we're talking about

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Speaker 2: a succession plan for the National Party. A piece written

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Speaker 2: by Audrey Young and the Hero this Morning asks that

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Speaker 2: very question. It appears they don't have much of a

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Speaker 3: This Texas says Erica Stanford hot and good at a job.

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell good at his job. So Doug doesn't think

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell's hot, but he thinks he's good at his job.

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Speaker 2: He's a pretty tasty dish old Mark Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: I mean, really, it's God for bad. Christopher Luxon gets

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Speaker 3: called diplomatic services? Yes, yep, they they'll do everything they

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Speaker 3: can to stop that happening. Absolutely, But as I said before,

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Speaker 3: it's happened five times in our history that prime ministers

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Speaker 3: look at something because you go, it's not political whatever, mean,

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Speaker 3: get together a coup and take over? Who the prime

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Speaker 2: Who impresses you in the neighbor list currently oh one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen eighties a number to call, Peter, welcome

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Speaker 6: Thank you girls for talking a bit more moderate and

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Speaker 6: having the piano keyboard skills. But I think it's the

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Speaker 6: caucus decides and the public decide whether they want which

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Speaker 6: party they want, But it's the lobbyists that pay for

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Speaker 6: their policies to go through. And what's the big difference

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Speaker 6: between that doesn't seem to be much.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that?

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Speaker 3: Do you think, Peter, that they should name the successor

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Speaker 6: Well, if you look at the Herald, I can't remember

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Speaker 7: They backed out of it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but would you agree, Peter, that we need a

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and so that's the question up to But a

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Speaker 3: But yeah, thank you for your call, Goldsman.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised Dundrey missed out Old Goldie. Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 2: It is twenty two past one.

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Speaker 3: This Texas says there's heaps of national heaps of talent.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic hasking Breakfast.

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Speaker 9: It looks like Doc is going to do a U

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Speaker 9: turnover those lizards they initially told mccray's mine in Central Otago. No,

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Speaker 10: Well, that's a matter that Doc and Oceana worked on

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Speaker 11: I expect that.

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Speaker 10: I found out about this matter and I've said to

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Speaker 12: They weren't clear.

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Speaker 1: Hither duplusy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow

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Speaker 2: Afternoon June twenty five, pass one. We're talking about the

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Speaker 3: This Texas says here that it would be Seymour because

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Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of time talking with Christopher Luxeon

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Speaker 2: Got hit by a bus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and anyone that's actually you know, you know a

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Speaker 2: So we don't want to be hit by a bus.

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Speaker 3: How I mean, it seems ridiculous that we'd even have

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Speaker 3: It's just it's just saying. It's just saying, you say,

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Speaker 3: It's very different from I hope the prime to get

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Speaker 3: they drop dead? And to be fair, most of the

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Speaker 2: Yep, but that's still that's roughly you did the maths.

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Speaker 2: Eleven percent of those serving as prime minister needed to

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Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts on this. So many texts are

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Speaker 3: Seems to be a topic that people are very interested in. Robin,

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Speaker 7: Hello, how are you well?

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Speaker 13: I'm good? But I think this is mischievous word.

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Speaker 2: M hmm, in what regard well, I think.

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Speaker 13: Christopher Luxem I don't know if any prime minister has

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Speaker 13: I think it's caucus. I mean, if I don't like him,

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Speaker 13: if the National Party don't like him, they'll throw them out.

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Speaker 3: They'll actually yes, But Robin, this is that this is

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Speaker 3: a slightly different question the question is who is ready

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Speaker 13: Well, I think there's too many there that are ready.

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Speaker 3: Who are your favorites.

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Speaker 13: I really like Erica Stanford, I really like our police minister.

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Speaker 13: I really like Simon Watts.

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Speaker 14: I really like.

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Speaker 13: Do I say our police minister?

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Speaker 3: Opinion, Robin, that's a very competent government that the National

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Speaker 13: Oh. Absolutely. I've listened to them in environmental conferences and

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Speaker 13: it's not going to die. Some would say you're putting

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we're just going to tell you that.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's blame it. If we're doing that, it's Audrey

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Speaker 13: Well, yes, I do think it's in good hands. And

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Speaker 13: I think what I like is the fact that he's out.

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Speaker 13: I mean, look at a smiling face. He gets on

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Speaker 13: He gets on with so many people, and you see

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Speaker 13: You know, there's some managers that can't employ good staff

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Speaker 8: That's what I like, I.

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Speaker 3: Think, And as Crystal Luxon said this morning when talking

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Speaker 3: don't you.

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Speaker 12: Robin Absolutely.

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Speaker 13: I mean that's really what I think. And yet he

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Speaker 13: person that the news media wants to hate the most.

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Speaker 13: Am I being biased? There?

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Speaker 2: Look a lot of people would agree with that, Robin.

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Speaker 2: My view on it is that he's the Prime minister,

441
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Speaker 2: and the prime minister always gets more heat purely for

442
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Speaker 2: the fact that they are the head of the government.

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Speaker 2: So by nature of that position, you're going to be

444
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Speaker 2: in their headline a lot more often, and you're going

445
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Speaker 2: to be have quotes taken out of what you say

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Speaker 2: and put into headlines. That's just the nature of bring

447
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Speaker 2: prime minister.

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Speaker 13: Yes, but if you look at our last prime minister,

449
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Speaker 13: you would I would have to say, is probably one

450
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Speaker 13: of the most brilliant orators or public speakers that we

451
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Speaker 13: have had in a long time. I mean, Desinda could

452
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Speaker 13: get any message across because she had that ability to

453
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Speaker 13: capture a crowd. So she didn't get much I don't think. Well,

454
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Speaker 13: she did obviously privately, but we didn't have as much distortion.

455
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Speaker 13: But maybe that was because of COVID and everything was

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Speaker 13: locked down. I don't know. Everybody has their own talents,

457
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Speaker 13: don't they, and sometimes we forget what their talents are.

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Speaker 13: And so my perspective, Christopher Luxan has that talent of

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Speaker 13: being able to allow people to be good at what

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Speaker 13: they're doing, and he also has the ability to get

461
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Speaker 13: on with heads of state right to the world, no

462
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Speaker 13: matter what carlor, what nationality, what they are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you so much for you. Thanks, thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for your call. Robin really appreciate them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no good calls. We've got the headlines coming up,

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Speaker 2: but thank you very much for giving us a bus.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Love to hear your thoughts about a succession plan for

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Speaker 2: the National Party if something were to happen to Christopher Luxon, keep.

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Speaker 3: Laughing at these people. Hey there, this topic is a

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Speaker 3: very bad taste. The media is continually trying to undermine Luxon.

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Speaker 3: This is a COVID attempt at doing the same thing. No,

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Speaker 3: it's I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask

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Speaker 3: who you think is the most competent member of the

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Speaker 3: covenment government stand up should the unthinkable happen.

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Speaker 2: It's a fair question to ask of a party that

477
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Speaker 2: is that is governing.

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Speaker 3: How softer people? How softer people that they can't hear

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Speaker 3: the expression what should happen if the primise to get

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Speaker 3: hit by a bus without crying?

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Speaker 2: How weak are people? Grumpy old Monday? Come on people,

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Speaker 2: it just words your verses twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 15: US talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

484
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Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. A person's died after

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Speaker 15: a concrete truck crashed into a house on the Ranguitotou

486
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Speaker 15: Avenue in Auckland's ramawarer just after nine am. Work safe

487
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Speaker 15: has been advised. A coroner's court is revisiting the twenty

488
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Speaker 15: twenty one murder of Auckland five year old Malachai Sioux

489
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Speaker 15: Bett describing his ill treatment by Kera and killer Mikayla

490
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Speaker 15: Barry Ball adzel warning for Wellington drivers after a large

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Speaker 15: amount's leap from a truck creating a road surface hazard

492
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Speaker 15: around the city center Mirama and towards Kaifader Fadder, An

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Speaker 15: Auckland priest, has recounted waking to find Avondale since Mary's

494
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Speaker 15: Catholic Church engulfed in flames out his window overnight. Police

495
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Speaker 15: are treating the fire is suspicious. The Prime Minister's confident

496
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Speaker 15: the government will stop the brain to Australia by making

497
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Speaker 15: New Zealand a place where working hard gives a good

498
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Speaker 15: place to live. Thirty thousand key we shifted across the

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Speaker 15: Tasman in the year to December of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 15: Howard Dutch team could change the All Blacks commercial game.

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Speaker 15: You can see greg Or Paul's full column at in

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Speaker 15: said Herold Premium. Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we are talking

504
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Speaker 2: about the succession plan for the National Party on the

505
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Speaker 2: back of an opinion piece written by Audrey Young in

506
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Speaker 2: the New Zealand Herald where she asked the question, what

507
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Speaker 2: would happen to or who would step up to take

508
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Speaker 2: the leadership role or the prime ministerial ship if something

509
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Speaker 2: were to happen to Christopher Lux And so can you

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Speaker 2: get your thoughts on O one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: The sex is good topic, guys. I support National but

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Speaker 3: even I can see what you're saying. Obviously he missus

513
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Speaker 3: nuance of some questions and maybe misunderstands what he's mean

514
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Speaker 3: you say anyway, I'd say Nichola or or Bishop or

515
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Speaker 3: Goldsmith would be competent.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think you're economists and what we're saying here,

518
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Speaker 3: but thank you so much for you text. We're not

519
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Speaker 3: saying that it's not really who should replace him as

520
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Speaker 3: the succession plan who you think is really ready to go?

521
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Speaker 3: This is good text. Here, Oh boy, here we go.

522
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Speaker 3: There's so many texts coming through this very hundreds hundreds.

523
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Speaker 3: I just have to support it.

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Speaker 2: There was this damn it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, We'll just go to the phones. I'll try and

526
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Speaker 3: find that text again. This is so many coming through. David,

527
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Speaker 3: welcome to the show. You think we need to replace

528
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Speaker 3: the PM with AI, you.

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Speaker 16: Mate, We have the technology now and we could AI

530
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Speaker 16: ourselves up, you know, good looking, good looking prime minister

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Speaker 16: or a beautiful prime minister. It would be you know, unomotive.

532
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Speaker 16: It would make good rational decisions and we wouldn't care

533
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Speaker 16: what school you went to, what private school you went too,

534
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Speaker 16: and what are you wearing Aaron Williams. We don't care.

535
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Speaker 16: Let's make good quality decisions because at the moment, you know,

536
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Speaker 16: we've you know, we've got a lot of overly emotional

537
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Speaker 16: politicians came a lot of flocks and just from their

538
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Speaker 16: early lives. So you know that's just THEDAI thing.

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Speaker 8: Mate.

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Speaker 3: So do you think do you think that leading with

541
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Speaker 3: pure logic would work for a country? Just absolutely, the

542
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Speaker 3: most logical answer for every question would would work.

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Speaker 16: Well, mate, you know when you look at when you

544
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Speaker 16: look at history in the country and you see, look, well,

545
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Speaker 16: a logical thing to have done would have been for

546
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Speaker 16: the National Party not to have taken away the compulsive

547
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Speaker 16: supreation because we would have probably had I don't know.

548
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Speaker 16: Somewhere in the vicinity of Akrean were the capital T

549
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Speaker 16: dollars in our and our coffers right now, which would

550
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Speaker 16: have more than paid for Christians, earthquakes, Gabrielle storm, you know, hurricanes,

551
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Speaker 16: you know all of the above. But that was not

552
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Speaker 16: a logical decision. That was a stupid decision, and we're

553
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Speaker 16: paying for that now.

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting it's an interesting idea, David, that there

555
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Speaker 3: was the exact right decision that could have been made

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Speaker 3: at every every every turning point in our history, there

557
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Speaker 3: was the right decision to make. And sometimes we've made

558
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Speaker 3: good decisions, sometimes we've made bad decisions. But there was

559
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Speaker 3: a perfect path that could have been taken that that

560
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Speaker 3: clearly hasn't And that's that's a fantastic example. We look

561
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Speaker 3: at that and you compare it to the savings situation

562
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Speaker 3: they've got in Australia with the system they've got a place,

563
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Speaker 3: and you've got to say absolutely that that would have

564
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Speaker 3: been a much bad decision. But Rob Maldoon was not keing.

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Speaker 16: No, no, and and just you know, look there there's

566
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Speaker 16: lots of things that have gone on in this last

567
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Speaker 16: few years that have you know, that have caused me

568
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Speaker 16: to sort of think, well, why would you make that

569
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Speaker 16: decision when it's not logical, it's not it's not a

570
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Speaker 16: sensible things and sensibility should prevail. And when it comes

571
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Speaker 16: to finances or social the social system that we run

572
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Speaker 16: in this country, we need to first off, we need

573
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Speaker 16: to be looking at, you know, what's best for the

574
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Speaker 16: people that live in this country. And it seems like

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Speaker 16: there's a lot of decisions made they on you know,

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Speaker 16: I would say heritage sort of values, which don't always

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Speaker 16: you know, I mean, look at what you're getting now

578
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Speaker 16: you're getting people ringing out going, oh, don't talk about

579
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Speaker 16: the prime minister dying. You know, in a modern modern society,

580
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Speaker 16: it shows a complete lack of integrity on the behalf

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Speaker 16: of the leader not to express a suction plan because

582
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Speaker 16: you know, our company, it is your jilty, you your

583
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Speaker 16: duty to have a succession plan because if you die,

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Speaker 16: who's going to take over the company? So I people

585
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Speaker 16: need to stop acting so bloody emotional about you know,

586
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Speaker 16: if you die.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's like when we're talking about David.

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Speaker 3: It's like when we're talking about potential nuclear war the

589
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Speaker 3: other day, and you know, how prepared New Zealand was

590
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Speaker 3: for it, and so many people were texting and ringing

591
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Speaker 3: up and going, you shouldn't talk about it. It's too

592
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Speaker 3: too horrible, it's too scary. Stop talking about it. You

593
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Speaker 3: should actually talk about the worst case scenarios. That's how

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Speaker 3: you make decisions. If you only talk about nice stuff,

595
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Speaker 3: then you know, you know then, because it's not just

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Speaker 3: nice stuff that happens. In fact, nice stuff happened, doesn't

597
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Speaker 3: doesn't that nice stuff doesn't happen that much. It's mainly

598
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Speaker 3: horrible stuff that seems to happen in the world.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well that's right. Look at Gaza mate and you know,

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Speaker 16: if you want to live in a plastic bubble like

601
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Speaker 16: a like a tourist from Japan looking at New Zealand,

602
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Speaker 16: then do that. But if you want to live in

603
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Speaker 16: the real world, you need to actually get your eyeballs

604
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Speaker 16: into what's really going on.

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Speaker 3: Should and should we do a little experiment here, Peter,

606
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Speaker 3: you say that AI takeover. I've just brought up chat GPT.

607
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Speaker 3: Although the new GROC is really impressive. I was reading

608
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Speaker 3: it over the weekend. It's it's kicking chet GPT's asked

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Speaker 3: the new release of GROP anyway there's another history. So

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Speaker 3: let's let's put a question in there.

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Speaker 13: What what what?

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Speaker 3: What's something that needs to be solved and see what

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Speaker 3: the logical answer is.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, go and do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you got one. What's something you're worried about?

616
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Speaker 2: Oh the what.

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Speaker 16: Retirement saving.

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Speaker 2: Should New Zealand?

619
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Speaker 3: How should New Zealand.

620
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Speaker 2: Solve?

621
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Speaker 16: Improve its retirement.

622
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Speaker 3: Improve its retirement savings? Improve it's retirement savings?

623
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Speaker 2: Here we go.

624
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Speaker 3: It's in and AI is thinking, and here we go.

625
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Speaker 3: This is this is who's taking over Prime minister. This

626
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Speaker 3: is the current succession plan. It's taking a while to

627
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Speaker 3: think about it. Actually, maybe this is quite hard.

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Speaker 2: Is that a good thing?

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Speaker 3: Or a set some agents on it? It's online, it's checking.

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Speaker 3: It's exciting radio for people as we wait for the results.

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Speaker 3: If you could make some you know, waiting music on

632
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Speaker 3: the line music. There's steam coming out of the side

633
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Speaker 3: of the monitor.

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Speaker 2: Is it still going? Is that an issue with our

635
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Speaker 2: Wi Fi or AI? Maybe it's our Wi Fi that's

636
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Speaker 2: not playing?

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Speaker 3: Here we go, Here we go, make can we save

638
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Speaker 3: a participation? Near universal lift contribution rates gradually redesign government

639
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Speaker 3: incentives so they are progressive in spenditure drive fees even

640
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Speaker 3: lower and sharpen default settings. Put as much thought into

641
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Speaker 3: decumulation as we do accumulation. So cool on New Zealand, supers,

642
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Speaker 3: long run sustainability, closed persistent equity, gaps, double down on

643
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Speaker 3: financial capability. It's got a lot of answers here. Keep

644
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Speaker 3: tracking and tuning the system.

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Speaker 10: Of that.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, Love, I think we should call you Prime Minister

647
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Speaker 16: raul and GM Willing today, David.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting idea. I need to have a look at

649
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Speaker 2: that answer. We'll put that off and we'll go through

650
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Speaker 2: the final points.

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Speaker 3: It would have been controversial if Christopher Luxean had said

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Speaker 3: this morning when he was asked who what the succession

653
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Speaker 3: plan was, We're just going to check GPTWO, I want

654
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Speaker 3: to go down sixteen to two.

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Speaker 1: Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

656
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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tylor Adams Afternoons

657
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Speaker 1: news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be very good afternoon to you. And we're talking

659
00:32:18,933 --> 00:32:21,973
Speaker 2: about the succession plan for the National Party. There appears

660
00:32:22,013 --> 00:32:24,573
Speaker 2: to be no succession plan as we speak. The Prime

661
00:32:24,613 --> 00:32:27,373
Speaker 2: Minister Christopher Luckxon was asked about it by Hither on

662
00:32:27,533 --> 00:32:30,013
Speaker 2: My Costkins Show. This morning, and he didn't give so

663
00:32:30,133 --> 00:32:32,653
Speaker 2: much of an answer apart from oft I've built a

664
00:32:32,693 --> 00:32:36,573
Speaker 2: good team around me, but non confirmation of who could

665
00:32:36,653 --> 00:32:38,253
Speaker 2: step up if something were to happen to them.

666
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Speaker 3: And I've I'm becoming increasedly worried about how soft our

667
00:32:41,453 --> 00:32:44,253
Speaker 3: nation is becoming because the amount of texts that are

668
00:32:44,293 --> 00:32:46,013
Speaker 3: coming through from people that don't like to hear the

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Speaker 3: term what if our prime minister got hit by a bus?

670
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Speaker 3: They can't handle it. They think it's too horrible.

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00:32:52,733 --> 00:32:53,373
Speaker 2: Boy oh boy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some soft people out there. Certainly, the sis says,

673
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Speaker 3: are you not aware that the things you say manifest

674
00:32:58,853 --> 00:32:59,933
Speaker 3: outcomes in real life?

675
00:33:00,373 --> 00:33:01,093
Speaker 2: Your discussion of.

676
00:33:01,133 --> 00:33:04,053
Speaker 3: Nuclear war makes war more likely. Your flippant use of

677
00:33:04,133 --> 00:33:06,173
Speaker 3: luxe and hit by a bus makes that more likely.

678
00:33:06,533 --> 00:33:07,813
Speaker 3: Be careful what you say.

679
00:33:08,453 --> 00:33:10,453
Speaker 2: Well, what do you think with some sort of nostrodermis?

680
00:33:10,493 --> 00:33:12,373
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't think we've got the power

681
00:33:12,453 --> 00:33:14,373
Speaker 2: to you know, what comes out of our mouth, it's

682
00:33:14,413 --> 00:33:15,653
Speaker 2: not going to change the future.

683
00:33:15,813 --> 00:33:17,533
Speaker 3: So what if I say five times in a row

684
00:33:17,573 --> 00:33:19,853
Speaker 3: to offset that? If this kind of magical thinking works,

685
00:33:19,933 --> 00:33:22,293
Speaker 3: or say, Christopher Luxem will not get hit by a bus,

686
00:33:22,413 --> 00:33:24,173
Speaker 3: Christopher Luxem will not get hit by a bus?

687
00:33:25,013 --> 00:33:25,293
Speaker 2: Does that?

688
00:33:25,453 --> 00:33:27,373
Speaker 3: Do you think that offsets the time the other five

689
00:33:27,453 --> 00:33:30,333
Speaker 3: times when we've we've used that quite common term of

690
00:33:30,413 --> 00:33:33,653
Speaker 3: phrase to you know, describe the worst.

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00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:36,133
Speaker 2: Under that Texas logic. Yeah, that cancels it out. Pete,

692
00:33:36,133 --> 00:33:36,773
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

693
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Speaker 13: Did right?

694
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Speaker 17: We've got to face facts. There is a good topic

695
00:33:41,813 --> 00:33:44,253
Speaker 17: you brought up. I reckon it should be discussed.

696
00:33:44,373 --> 00:33:44,733
Speaker 10: If the.

697
00:33:46,213 --> 00:33:48,773
Speaker 17: We all go, we all know that we'll whether they

698
00:33:48,773 --> 00:33:50,733
Speaker 17: say might get hit by a train or whatever. So

699
00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:54,973
Speaker 17: I think as we as people that vote the that

700
00:33:55,213 --> 00:33:59,733
Speaker 17: that person as a prime minister, which of the party

701
00:33:59,773 --> 00:34:02,373
Speaker 17: it might be, so we know who's going to fully

702
00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:04,173
Speaker 17: his shoes because he could have a medical or have

703
00:34:04,293 --> 00:34:06,973
Speaker 17: been to a stroke or whatever. So we're all human

704
00:34:07,053 --> 00:34:10,453
Speaker 17: beings in today. We all die where it's whatever event's

705
00:34:10,493 --> 00:34:12,732
Speaker 17: going to take place. So I think it's good it

706
00:34:12,773 --> 00:34:14,973
Speaker 17: should be a good topic. So that prime minister at

707
00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:18,413
Speaker 17: the time is stall and is capable of doing his

708
00:34:18,613 --> 00:34:20,973
Speaker 17: job or she whatever, it should be brought up. So

709
00:34:21,053 --> 00:34:24,093
Speaker 17: if I die, this person's going to fill my shoes

710
00:34:24,373 --> 00:34:28,373
Speaker 17: because right now is because of we have the MMP system,

711
00:34:28,813 --> 00:34:31,652
Speaker 17: it's going to be the deputy prime minister. Though it's

712
00:34:32,533 --> 00:34:35,133
Speaker 17: David Seymour right now, but he's only got that duty,

713
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Speaker 17: that that position because of the negotiations at the time

714
00:34:39,813 --> 00:34:43,732
Speaker 17: when they make a coalition. So you know, we don't

715
00:34:43,773 --> 00:34:46,453
Speaker 17: really want a prime minister or deputy prime minister that's

716
00:34:46,533 --> 00:34:48,613
Speaker 17: going to take over only because he's got in there

717
00:34:49,093 --> 00:34:51,733
Speaker 17: because he was sort of got the guy on the

718
00:34:51,813 --> 00:34:52,613
Speaker 17: head at the time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean that that deputy prime minister would

720
00:34:54,773 --> 00:34:57,692
Speaker 3: take over in the short term, but then National being

721
00:34:57,933 --> 00:35:00,853
Speaker 3: the you know, the major party in the coalition would

722
00:35:00,933 --> 00:35:02,653
Speaker 3: choose who their prime minister was down the track, and

723
00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:05,212
Speaker 3: I guess it's almost a thought experiment for the prime

724
00:35:05,253 --> 00:35:08,813
Speaker 3: minister to on the spot say who the I think

725
00:35:09,013 --> 00:35:12,333
Speaker 3: is the most capable to take over the prime minister

726
00:35:12,933 --> 00:35:15,413
Speaker 3: prime ministerial job within your party, because you know, there's

727
00:35:15,413 --> 00:35:18,173
Speaker 3: different skills for prime minister. You can be incredibly competent,

728
00:35:18,293 --> 00:35:20,893
Speaker 3: but you maybe aren't don't have the skills that a

729
00:35:20,933 --> 00:35:23,653
Speaker 3: prime minister needs. They're slightly different than being a minister.

730
00:35:23,973 --> 00:35:26,053
Speaker 3: So who did Helen Clark say? She just went straight

731
00:35:26,173 --> 00:35:27,333
Speaker 3: for Treva.

732
00:35:27,173 --> 00:35:30,053
Speaker 2: Meller, Treven Mallard. Yes, that wasn't even her deputy. No,

733
00:35:30,253 --> 00:35:31,973
Speaker 2: So this was her first term as Prime Minister. She

734
00:35:32,093 --> 00:35:34,493
Speaker 2: was about to go for an icy expedition and a

735
00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:37,413
Speaker 2: reporter asked who she thought would take over if she

736
00:35:37,493 --> 00:35:41,733
Speaker 2: fell down a crevass, and straight away she said Education

737
00:35:41,813 --> 00:35:46,333
Speaker 2: Minister Trevor Mallard, and she left out her deputy Prime Minister,

738
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Speaker 2: Michael Cullens, So poor old Michael would have felt a

739
00:35:48,373 --> 00:35:50,053
Speaker 2: bit a bit hurt by that.

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00:35:50,773 --> 00:35:52,533
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your col pete, But there

741
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Speaker 3: you go.

742
00:35:52,853 --> 00:35:55,373
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not unusual, as Audrey said in her piece,

743
00:35:55,413 --> 00:35:57,933
Speaker 2: it's not unusual for prime ministers to be asked about

744
00:35:57,933 --> 00:36:01,453
Speaker 2: their succession plan. It's happened time and time again with

745
00:36:01,813 --> 00:36:05,053
Speaker 2: other prime ministers. And for anybody to suggest that we're

746
00:36:05,173 --> 00:36:09,493
Speaker 2: somehow wishing that Christophers and we get hit by her bus.

747
00:36:09,653 --> 00:36:13,093
Speaker 2: I mean, people are just you're crazy soft.

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Speaker 3: Simon Brown would be a good successor if the worst

749
00:36:16,413 --> 00:36:21,013
Speaker 3: should happen, Erica Stanford in a heartbeat, she could step

750
00:36:21,133 --> 00:36:24,293
Speaker 3: up right up. New Zealand is full of softies. That's

751
00:36:24,333 --> 00:36:26,453
Speaker 3: from she didn't actually say. It's a soft part of

752
00:36:26,493 --> 00:36:29,652
Speaker 3: the anatomy. That's from that one. That's from cat There.

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00:36:31,413 --> 00:36:33,413
Speaker 3: There was never a succession plan. It's an eternal vote

754
00:36:33,453 --> 00:36:38,253
Speaker 3: by the party to elect new PM. Yeah, well, should

755
00:36:38,293 --> 00:36:39,973
Speaker 3: there be that's I mean, you know there isn't, but

756
00:36:40,293 --> 00:36:43,173
Speaker 3: should there be? Should that be announced that you know?

757
00:36:43,293 --> 00:36:46,333
Speaker 3: Like yet we have all kinds of emergency plans contingencies

758
00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:48,853
Speaker 3: for things that happen. Should it be if I if

759
00:36:48,893 --> 00:36:52,413
Speaker 3: I go down immediately? Yeah, you know it's the VP.

760
00:36:53,093 --> 00:36:56,813
Speaker 3: And you know when JAFFK got shot and he got

761
00:36:56,853 --> 00:37:00,133
Speaker 3: sworn in, well, Jackie was standing there with with with

762
00:37:00,373 --> 00:37:04,893
Speaker 3: JFK's brains on her on her lovely jumper. But it's

763
00:37:04,933 --> 00:37:07,933
Speaker 3: a sharing that swearing anything happened.

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00:37:07,933 --> 00:37:09,493
Speaker 2: It does and most governments do it.

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00:37:09,613 --> 00:37:09,693
Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll come

767
00:37:11,533 --> 00:37:13,253
Speaker 2: back with more of your call shortly eight to two.

768
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Speaker 1: Madd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight. It's

769
00:37:19,613 --> 00:37:22,413
Speaker 1: mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

770
00:37:23,773 --> 00:37:26,933
Speaker 2: News Talks. It'd be very good afternoon to you. Johnny.

771
00:37:27,293 --> 00:37:28,013
Speaker 2: How you doing.

772
00:37:33,813 --> 00:37:33,973
Speaker 17: There?

773
00:37:34,093 --> 00:37:36,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha. We've only got a couple of minutes, Johnny.

774
00:37:36,013 --> 00:37:38,133
Speaker 2: You go for it all right?

775
00:37:38,853 --> 00:37:41,573
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, if if something that happened, there's already going

776
00:37:41,613 --> 00:37:44,813
Speaker 10: to be some pre existing order for them to belong

777
00:37:44,893 --> 00:37:49,573
Speaker 10: to those international treaties and organizations that there with all

778
00:37:49,613 --> 00:37:52,773
Speaker 10: the spying stuff and all the all the safety plans

779
00:37:52,773 --> 00:37:56,973
Speaker 10: for Emergian season's already natted out. So it's I think

780
00:37:57,013 --> 00:38:01,133
Speaker 10: it's it's a false charge really going on about are

781
00:38:01,213 --> 00:38:04,493
Speaker 10: you prepared? I mean, they must make plans and backrooms

782
00:38:04,573 --> 00:38:05,973
Speaker 10: with cigar snows in it.

783
00:38:06,813 --> 00:38:10,613
Speaker 2: But shall we should we be told about there, Johnny Oh.

784
00:38:10,493 --> 00:38:12,853
Speaker 10: I think it's I think it's to be expected after

785
00:38:12,973 --> 00:38:17,693
Speaker 10: World War Two that we we we shouldn't be asking questions.

786
00:38:18,853 --> 00:38:22,293
Speaker 10: You know, Look, there are countries where people don't ask questions,

787
00:38:22,373 --> 00:38:25,533
Speaker 10: and they initially deposed the leaders, like in Lithuania and

788
00:38:25,613 --> 00:38:29,173
Speaker 10: it they publicly hanged them and all that sort of stuff.

789
00:38:29,213 --> 00:38:33,053
Speaker 10: But we don't really demand to know that much because

790
00:38:33,093 --> 00:38:36,653
Speaker 10: we don't live in military Johnson's We've bren a monarchy,

791
00:38:36,813 --> 00:38:42,613
Speaker 10: that's you know, democratic, So they say, so we've got

792
00:38:42,653 --> 00:38:45,053
Speaker 10: a certain amount of trust. And I was just doing

793
00:38:45,133 --> 00:38:47,093
Speaker 10: some digging in the garden and I found some Winston

794
00:38:47,133 --> 00:38:51,253
Speaker 10: Peter's cards from the last elections and they survived like

795
00:38:51,413 --> 00:38:53,212
Speaker 10: being under under the earth for a few years.

796
00:38:53,293 --> 00:38:53,413
Speaker 18: Now.

797
00:38:54,253 --> 00:38:55,853
Speaker 2: Why why did you have the cards in the garden?

798
00:38:56,053 --> 00:38:59,573
Speaker 3: So so sort of you've mean, like you know, electioneering cards.

799
00:39:00,453 --> 00:39:02,853
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I had a big banner on my state

800
00:39:02,893 --> 00:39:05,493
Speaker 10: housing fence down here in rock and Bay, and UH

801
00:39:06,173 --> 00:39:09,053
Speaker 10: with face on it, and had all those and eventually

802
00:39:09,093 --> 00:39:11,373
Speaker 10: I couldn't find anything to do with them after they

803
00:39:11,453 --> 00:39:13,813
Speaker 10: got in, so I buried them deep in the garden.

804
00:39:13,893 --> 00:39:15,613
Speaker 10: It's gold post and I've just found them and they've

805
00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:19,453
Speaker 10: survived everything. So it's his special future and his back.

806
00:39:20,253 --> 00:39:25,973
Speaker 2: He's I love that, Johnny metaphoric. Yeah, exactly. Thank you

807
00:39:26,293 --> 00:39:29,093
Speaker 2: very much, Johnny and everybody else who phoned and caught

808
00:39:29,173 --> 00:39:31,933
Speaker 2: on that, and even the grumpy Texas who got very

809
00:39:32,013 --> 00:39:33,013
Speaker 2: angry at that discussion.

810
00:39:33,173 --> 00:39:35,453
Speaker 3: More importantly, lads, what would happen if Heaven forbid both

811
00:39:35,493 --> 00:39:37,053
Speaker 3: of you got hit by a bus? Who would take

812
00:39:37,093 --> 00:39:39,652
Speaker 3: over the afternoon show? Because it would be shite if

813
00:39:39,653 --> 00:39:40,573
Speaker 3: you went there from.

814
00:39:41,013 --> 00:39:43,293
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. No succession plan yet, We're going to

815
00:39:43,333 --> 00:39:43,812
Speaker 2: be here forever.

816
00:39:43,933 --> 00:39:44,613
Speaker 3: That's a smart guy.

817
00:39:44,733 --> 00:39:48,453
Speaker 2: Michael's three minutes to two New Sport and weather on

818
00:39:48,533 --> 00:39:50,453
Speaker 2: its way. You're listening to Matton Tyler.

819
00:39:53,653 --> 00:39:57,373
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams

820
00:39:57,533 --> 00:39:59,292
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

821
00:40:01,053 --> 00:40:03,493
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

822
00:40:03,533 --> 00:40:05,093
Speaker 2: It is Heaven past two.

823
00:40:05,813 --> 00:40:07,693
Speaker 3: Do you know what struck me when I was driving

824
00:40:07,933 --> 00:40:11,652
Speaker 3: and to work this morning. Well, first of all, how

825
00:40:11,693 --> 00:40:15,293
Speaker 3: foggy it was. And secondly, we're now closer to twenty

826
00:40:15,453 --> 00:40:19,253
Speaker 3: fifty than we are to the year two thousand. So actually,

827
00:40:19,493 --> 00:40:22,093
Speaker 3: because you know, we've passed the middle of it, so

828
00:40:22,173 --> 00:40:24,893
Speaker 3: we are closer to twenty fifty than twenty twenty than

829
00:40:25,573 --> 00:40:29,853
Speaker 3: then in you know, twenty the year two thousand, huge celebration. Yeah,

830
00:40:30,453 --> 00:40:32,573
Speaker 3: that's now a quarter of a century ago.

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00:40:32,733 --> 00:40:35,813
Speaker 2: Far out. That makes me feel very old. That also,

832
00:40:35,973 --> 00:40:39,693
Speaker 2: I don't know that that makes me feel I don't know,

833
00:40:39,973 --> 00:40:41,573
Speaker 2: I don't like. I don't like that we're closer to

834
00:40:41,613 --> 00:40:43,973
Speaker 2: twenty fifty than we are to two thousand. That's how

835
00:40:44,013 --> 00:40:44,333
Speaker 2: I feel.

836
00:40:44,453 --> 00:40:46,933
Speaker 3: Twenty fifty is a pretty futuristic sounding year, isn't it.

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00:40:46,973 --> 00:40:47,213
Speaker 10: It is?

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00:40:47,453 --> 00:40:50,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and now two thousand. But I said that

839
00:40:50,373 --> 00:40:53,652
Speaker 3: to my kids, because I just texted that to my kids,

840
00:40:53,693 --> 00:40:55,453
Speaker 3: and they were like, for them, two thousands seems like

841
00:40:55,533 --> 00:40:57,933
Speaker 3: ancient history because they were born, you know, deep into

842
00:40:58,773 --> 00:41:03,093
Speaker 3: From my perspective, two thousand semi sounds futuristic because it

843
00:41:03,173 --> 00:41:07,293
Speaker 3: was always beyond two thousand and party like it's nineteen

844
00:41:07,413 --> 00:41:09,413
Speaker 3: ninety nine, and of a vibe when I was a

845
00:41:09,493 --> 00:41:11,893
Speaker 3: kid that two thousand was a futuristic year for my

846
00:41:12,013 --> 00:41:13,973
Speaker 3: kids and for a lot of people. Two thousand sounds

847
00:41:14,053 --> 00:41:15,253
Speaker 3: like ancient history.

848
00:41:15,453 --> 00:41:17,333
Speaker 2: That was a massive year, though, wasn't it just getting

849
00:41:17,373 --> 00:41:19,252
Speaker 2: up to New Year's She had the Y two K bug?

850
00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:21,172
Speaker 2: Remember the Y two K bug that people were freaking

851
00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:24,212
Speaker 2: out about. I remember as a fourteen year old thinking, right,

852
00:41:24,413 --> 00:41:26,413
Speaker 2: the world could end tomorrow. That was what mum and

853
00:41:26,493 --> 00:41:28,333
Speaker 2: my uncle were saying, because of this Y two K

854
00:41:28,533 --> 00:41:30,413
Speaker 2: bug that's going to take out all the computers. So

855
00:41:30,493 --> 00:41:32,812
Speaker 2: what a year? Two thousand and we've made it another

856
00:41:32,853 --> 00:41:35,053
Speaker 2: twenty five years here, another twenty anyway.

857
00:41:34,813 --> 00:41:37,693
Speaker 3: That's just a ry aside something I was thinking about today.

858
00:41:37,773 --> 00:41:41,133
Speaker 3: What have we got in the next hour of the show, Tyler, Well, let's.

859
00:41:40,973 --> 00:41:44,293
Speaker 2: Talk about redundancy. So story in the hera today. Melissa

860
00:41:44,333 --> 00:41:46,732
Speaker 2: Changreen used to be the co host of the AM

861
00:41:46,893 --> 00:41:50,333
Speaker 2: show very public redundancy she faced when she was very good.

862
00:41:50,453 --> 00:41:53,252
Speaker 2: She was very good, worked alongside one of our mates,

863
00:41:53,333 --> 00:41:56,772
Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge, of course, but her, as in many others

864
00:41:56,813 --> 00:41:59,733
Speaker 2: who worked at New Hub twelve months ago, had the

865
00:42:00,013 --> 00:42:01,693
Speaker 2: very sad and shocking news that they were all going

866
00:42:01,773 --> 00:42:03,973
Speaker 2: to be made redundant when Warner Brothers decided to shut

867
00:42:04,013 --> 00:42:07,773
Speaker 2: the operation down. So she's spoken to the Prosperity Project

868
00:42:07,893 --> 00:42:09,453
Speaker 2: and you can read a part of what she said

869
00:42:09,493 --> 00:42:11,653
Speaker 2: on how she dealt with redundancy. But we want to

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00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:14,533
Speaker 2: check to you if you've gone through that process, how

871
00:42:14,613 --> 00:42:16,813
Speaker 2: did you deal with it? If you've been made redundant,

872
00:42:17,253 --> 00:42:20,213
Speaker 2: particularly after working somewhere for a long time, did you

873
00:42:20,293 --> 00:42:22,333
Speaker 2: have to retrain, did you try and get back into

874
00:42:22,333 --> 00:42:24,973
Speaker 2: the workforce asap, or did you take some time to

875
00:42:25,053 --> 00:42:26,053
Speaker 2: figure out what next?

876
00:42:26,693 --> 00:42:29,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you take redundancy? I've never been made

877
00:42:29,373 --> 00:42:32,493
Speaker 3: redundant in my life. I've never I've never lost a

878
00:42:32,573 --> 00:42:35,733
Speaker 3: job in my life. I've always left. I've I've always

879
00:42:35,773 --> 00:42:37,053
Speaker 3: left the places I'm working.

880
00:42:37,173 --> 00:42:39,653
Speaker 2: That is surprising, but also good to hear, good to

881
00:42:39,693 --> 00:42:40,573
Speaker 2: hear from your point of view.

882
00:42:40,693 --> 00:42:42,613
Speaker 3: What surprising surprising.

883
00:42:42,293 --> 00:42:44,413
Speaker 2: Is that I've never you know, I thought you've gone

884
00:42:44,413 --> 00:42:45,093
Speaker 2: too far this time.

885
00:42:45,133 --> 00:42:48,293
Speaker 3: Matic there's always someone knocking on the door. There's always

886
00:42:48,333 --> 00:42:52,653
Speaker 3: someone wanting more, mad Heath. Yeah, yeah, but you know, actually,

887
00:42:53,333 --> 00:42:55,573
Speaker 3: or I should actually say, I've always been very very

888
00:42:55,773 --> 00:42:58,933
Speaker 3: lucky when I when I chart my career, it's always

889
00:42:58,973 --> 00:43:03,293
Speaker 3: been these turning points of absolute lotto winning level luck.

890
00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:03,692
Speaker 2: Yeah.

891
00:43:03,813 --> 00:43:06,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I know really good friends have been made

892
00:43:06,853 --> 00:43:11,772
Speaker 3: redundant and that's hit them quite quite hard. It's made

893
00:43:11,813 --> 00:43:15,212
Speaker 3: them their job and this happens to a lot of people.

894
00:43:15,613 --> 00:43:18,813
Speaker 3: Becomes you know, your job can become your identity in

895
00:43:18,893 --> 00:43:20,933
Speaker 3: a way. You are the person that does this, and

896
00:43:21,013 --> 00:43:22,813
Speaker 3: if you lose that job, it's taking away part of

897
00:43:22,853 --> 00:43:26,773
Speaker 3: that identity, you know, and might be quite hard to

898
00:43:26,933 --> 00:43:29,653
Speaker 3: rebuild from that. So any advice from people that have

899
00:43:30,213 --> 00:43:33,173
Speaker 3: rebuilt from being made redundant, done other things, or have

900
00:43:33,693 --> 00:43:35,773
Speaker 3: eventually turned it into a positive we'd love to hear

901
00:43:35,773 --> 00:43:37,333
Speaker 3: from as well. Ie one hundred and eighteen eighty.

902
00:43:37,453 --> 00:43:39,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have been made redundant once and it was

903
00:43:40,333 --> 00:43:44,853
Speaker 2: during the GFC so far, and it was during the GFC.

904
00:43:44,973 --> 00:43:46,533
Speaker 2: But I've got to say, and I wasn't in that

905
00:43:46,653 --> 00:43:48,613
Speaker 2: job for a hell of a long time, probably about

906
00:43:48,613 --> 00:43:51,253
Speaker 2: three years, but I couldn't help but take it personally.

907
00:43:51,333 --> 00:43:54,293
Speaker 2: I was a bit younger, and after the GFC, the

908
00:43:54,333 --> 00:43:56,173
Speaker 2: company I was working for decided that they needed to

909
00:43:56,213 --> 00:43:58,973
Speaker 2: make cuts across the country. But it still felt like

910
00:43:59,373 --> 00:44:01,853
Speaker 2: I was one of the unlucky ones and that it

911
00:44:02,093 --> 00:44:04,413
Speaker 2: was a personal towards me.

912
00:44:04,653 --> 00:44:08,053
Speaker 3: So no matter how it's described to you economic circumstances

913
00:44:08,413 --> 00:44:11,573
Speaker 3: see in that case, did you still take it personally?

914
00:44:11,693 --> 00:44:15,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. It knocked me around for probably three months

915
00:44:15,053 --> 00:44:18,853
Speaker 2: while I searched for another job. And luckily, and I'm

916
00:44:18,893 --> 00:44:22,093
Speaker 2: so thankful to this person in question, the boss of

917
00:44:22,133 --> 00:44:24,212
Speaker 2: a company that I went to go work for, took

918
00:44:24,213 --> 00:44:26,053
Speaker 2: a shine to me and took me under his wing

919
00:44:26,333 --> 00:44:28,933
Speaker 2: and probably started me on the path that I ended

920
00:44:29,013 --> 00:44:31,093
Speaker 2: up here to be frank. But yeah, it was a

921
00:44:31,173 --> 00:44:35,333
Speaker 2: massive no to my ego when they decided Tyler, sorry

922
00:44:35,413 --> 00:44:37,253
Speaker 2: you got to go. We can't have you anymore. But

923
00:44:37,333 --> 00:44:39,253
Speaker 2: can you hear from you on eight hundred and eighty

924
00:44:39,413 --> 00:44:41,453
Speaker 2: ten eighty The phones have lit up. If you can't

925
00:44:41,493 --> 00:44:42,733
Speaker 2: get through, keep trying.

926
00:44:43,373 --> 00:44:46,573
Speaker 3: Matt Lucky, look at yourself. You're doing talkback radio talk

927
00:44:46,613 --> 00:44:50,053
Speaker 3: about heading you lows. Well, you don't know how low I.

928
00:44:50,173 --> 00:44:53,013
Speaker 2: Was before this. Yeah, and you're listening to this, to

929
00:44:53,133 --> 00:44:55,053
Speaker 2: this new low this text.

930
00:44:55,253 --> 00:44:57,293
Speaker 3: It might be low to you, but it's huge heights

931
00:44:57,333 --> 00:44:57,493
Speaker 3: for me.

932
00:44:57,693 --> 00:45:01,653
Speaker 2: Yeap is twelve pars too, Begary shortly.

933
00:45:03,293 --> 00:45:08,053
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call.

934
00:45:08,013 --> 00:45:09,533
Speaker 3: Oh und eighty.

935
00:45:09,693 --> 00:45:15,293
Speaker 2: News Talk said, very good afternoon, Tutor, is fourteen past two,

936
00:45:15,413 --> 00:45:18,013
Speaker 2: and we're talking about redundancies. If you've faced that, how

937
00:45:18,053 --> 00:45:19,692
Speaker 2: did you deal with it at the time. If you've

938
00:45:19,733 --> 00:45:21,573
Speaker 2: been in a position for a long time and it's

939
00:45:21,813 --> 00:45:24,333
Speaker 2: the only thing that you've done, did you have to retrain?

940
00:45:24,413 --> 00:45:26,652
Speaker 2: Did you take the opportunity to take a bitter time off?

941
00:45:26,773 --> 00:45:30,293
Speaker 2: Love to hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

942
00:45:30,373 --> 00:45:32,373
Speaker 2: We've got full boards at the moment. If you can't

943
00:45:32,413 --> 00:45:34,652
Speaker 2: get through, keep trying and if you want to send

944
00:45:34,653 --> 00:45:37,653
Speaker 2: a text message nine two nine two is that number?

945
00:45:39,413 --> 00:45:40,013
Speaker 2: Quick one? Here?

946
00:45:40,653 --> 00:45:43,453
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, got made redundant many years ago. Back then

947
00:45:43,613 --> 00:45:46,373
Speaker 3: there were redundancy payments, walked out with sixty k happy

948
00:45:46,413 --> 00:45:48,893
Speaker 3: as Larry I was like winning lotto, bought a house

949
00:45:48,973 --> 00:45:50,413
Speaker 3: and continued on my mery way.

950
00:45:50,493 --> 00:45:53,172
Speaker 2: There you go, Lynn, Well that's a good news redundancy story.

951
00:45:53,453 --> 00:45:56,172
Speaker 3: Craig, you got made redundant about ten years ten days ago.

952
00:45:57,373 --> 00:46:03,413
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, So to say, as I sawned your producer

953
00:46:03,493 --> 00:46:05,213
Speaker 19: a little bit earlier, it wasn't a huge shop like

954
00:46:05,293 --> 00:46:07,173
Speaker 19: I can still of see it coming a few weeks earlier.

955
00:46:08,733 --> 00:46:11,413
Speaker 19: Just you can instead of sort of get that sense

956
00:46:11,453 --> 00:46:15,293
Speaker 19: sometimes that things aren't quite right. But forty six of

957
00:46:15,373 --> 00:46:17,772
Speaker 19: us got made redundant on the sitious of last month,

958
00:46:17,973 --> 00:46:21,533
Speaker 19: which was you know, it's a lot of people. Yeah,

959
00:46:22,413 --> 00:46:24,533
Speaker 19: and we all work in the same industry, so we're

960
00:46:24,533 --> 00:46:28,053
Speaker 19: all hunting for the same jobs, which is pretty obvious.

961
00:46:28,613 --> 00:46:31,693
Speaker 3: How long had you been in that profession, in that particular.

962
00:46:31,413 --> 00:46:37,773
Speaker 19: Job, Craig, So around about two years, so maybe a

963
00:46:37,773 --> 00:46:41,013
Speaker 19: little longer than two years, but yeah, a bit of

964
00:46:41,053 --> 00:46:43,933
Speaker 19: a shop. But when when you sort of if you've

965
00:46:43,973 --> 00:46:45,413
Speaker 19: got your fingers on the pulse a little bit of

966
00:46:45,453 --> 00:46:47,573
Speaker 19: what's happening in the economy, you could kind of see

967
00:46:47,613 --> 00:46:49,853
Speaker 19: it was going to happen. And also the industry that

968
00:46:49,933 --> 00:46:56,213
Speaker 19: I was working in was online industry we're dealing with

969
00:46:57,173 --> 00:47:01,493
Speaker 19: I won't name the company itself, but in the in

970
00:47:01,533 --> 00:47:05,733
Speaker 19: the tech industry, and a lot of that's been offshore

971
00:47:05,853 --> 00:47:11,172
Speaker 19: farm to the Philippines in India. So our opposition, if

972
00:47:11,213 --> 00:47:14,213
Speaker 19: you like it, had already made that move, and you

973
00:47:14,293 --> 00:47:17,533
Speaker 19: could see it was coming for us as well, because

974
00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:21,493
Speaker 19: obviously they can outsource that sort of work, so.

975
00:47:21,573 --> 00:47:22,053
Speaker 2: You could see it.

976
00:47:22,573 --> 00:47:24,973
Speaker 3: You could see it coming, Craig, But how did it

977
00:47:25,093 --> 00:47:27,653
Speaker 3: hit you when it actually happened.

978
00:47:28,853 --> 00:47:33,413
Speaker 19: I'm still a huge checking the guard because you obviously

979
00:47:33,573 --> 00:47:35,293
Speaker 19: you think you're doing a good job. Everyone's telling you

980
00:47:35,373 --> 00:47:38,333
Speaker 19: that you're doing a good job, but there was that

981
00:47:38,533 --> 00:47:43,333
Speaker 19: sense of impending boom, you know, and it wasn't a

982
00:47:43,413 --> 00:47:46,253
Speaker 19: huge surprise. I don't think to any of us that

983
00:47:46,413 --> 00:47:47,373
Speaker 19: it sort of went that way.

984
00:47:49,293 --> 00:47:51,293
Speaker 2: But did you get a playout?

985
00:47:52,893 --> 00:47:56,893
Speaker 19: Not a great deal, not a deal, but thank you

986
00:47:57,013 --> 00:48:00,733
Speaker 19: for that. And I can understand from their position too

987
00:48:00,813 --> 00:48:03,333
Speaker 19: that it was kind of something that they had to

988
00:48:03,453 --> 00:48:05,293
Speaker 19: do if they wanted to remain competitive.

989
00:48:05,453 --> 00:48:09,253
Speaker 2: So you're not taking it personally, No, not at all.

990
00:48:09,293 --> 00:48:14,613
Speaker 19: You can't take it personally because yeah, like as I said,

991
00:48:14,613 --> 00:48:18,853
Speaker 19: you could our oppositions companies like there was only four

992
00:48:18,933 --> 00:48:22,253
Speaker 19: other opposition companies in New Zealand had already made that

993
00:48:22,413 --> 00:48:25,293
Speaker 19: shift to outsource into Philippines and India.

994
00:48:25,893 --> 00:48:28,853
Speaker 3: So yeah, the fact that it's not you, it's the

995
00:48:28,973 --> 00:48:30,493
Speaker 3: situation for.

996
00:48:30,493 --> 00:48:32,573
Speaker 19: Another couple of years was actually pretty remarkable.

997
00:48:32,813 --> 00:48:33,013
Speaker 1: Yeah.

998
00:48:33,133 --> 00:48:37,053
Speaker 3: Right, So how you're facing it philosophically and practically? How

999
00:48:37,093 --> 00:48:38,573
Speaker 3: are you facing moving forward?

1000
00:48:40,293 --> 00:48:44,733
Speaker 19: Well, it's the old story if you okay, So emotionally

1001
00:48:44,773 --> 00:48:49,653
Speaker 19: it's a big hit. Financially it's a hit because now

1002
00:48:49,693 --> 00:48:52,933
Speaker 19: I'm making a position where I'm having to you know, beg,

1003
00:48:53,413 --> 00:48:55,973
Speaker 19: beg and borrow to try and just keep things afloat

1004
00:48:56,013 --> 00:49:00,453
Speaker 19: for a few months. So that hurts. It hurts your

1005
00:49:01,653 --> 00:49:04,533
Speaker 19: your own personal credibility a little bit when you've sort

1006
00:49:04,573 --> 00:49:06,973
Speaker 19: of end up in that position. I'm in my late fifties,

1007
00:49:07,133 --> 00:49:10,013
Speaker 19: so it's kind of a you know, you're not at

1008
00:49:10,133 --> 00:49:16,453
Speaker 19: the most attractive end of being an employee. You know,

1009
00:49:17,613 --> 00:49:19,413
Speaker 19: not a lot of people want to employ people that

1010
00:49:19,453 --> 00:49:21,093
Speaker 19: are sort of in their late fifties, which.

1011
00:49:20,933 --> 00:49:23,613
Speaker 3: Is ridiculous because people in their late fifties are excellent workers,

1012
00:49:23,653 --> 00:49:24,093
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?

1013
00:49:24,253 --> 00:49:27,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of knowledge exactly, Yeah, a lot of experience.

1014
00:49:27,653 --> 00:49:30,093
Speaker 19: And I feel that that's actually that's what I'm pushing

1015
00:49:30,693 --> 00:49:33,573
Speaker 19: and what I'm making I think the way I think

1016
00:49:35,013 --> 00:49:39,973
Speaker 19: last week, maybe twenty odd over twenty job applications that

1017
00:49:40,013 --> 00:49:45,133
Speaker 19: I replied to, and I'm pushing that experience. It's sort

1018
00:49:45,133 --> 00:49:46,973
Speaker 19: of you know, yep, you might be able to get

1019
00:49:47,013 --> 00:49:49,373
Speaker 19: somebody younger basically, but you know, I've got, you know,

1020
00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:53,093
Speaker 19: over twenty years experience. So you've just got to be

1021
00:49:53,213 --> 00:49:56,692
Speaker 19: positive and push that and say that I've got two

1022
00:49:56,973 --> 00:50:00,733
Speaker 19: job interviews this week. So that's not a bad result.

1023
00:50:00,893 --> 00:50:04,053
Speaker 19: So if you look at twenty odd applications and getting

1024
00:50:04,093 --> 00:50:07,773
Speaker 19: two to the point where I have two job interviews,

1025
00:50:07,773 --> 00:50:10,013
Speaker 19: that's a pretty good result, really super positive.

1026
00:50:10,133 --> 00:50:12,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you because you mentioned before you could see

1027
00:50:12,973 --> 00:50:15,253
Speaker 2: the writing on the wall, did you manage to get

1028
00:50:15,293 --> 00:50:18,373
Speaker 2: yourself in a better financial position to deal with it?

1029
00:50:18,453 --> 00:50:20,933
Speaker 2: It was still a massive streets.

1030
00:50:22,493 --> 00:50:25,373
Speaker 19: Still a massive stress. Like a couple of weeks before,

1031
00:50:25,453 --> 00:50:27,373
Speaker 19: I kind of could see the writing on the wall,

1032
00:50:28,853 --> 00:50:32,493
Speaker 19: so I did start to activate. Okay, let's rewrite the CV,

1033
00:50:33,173 --> 00:50:37,333
Speaker 19: bring it up, to bring it up to currency, but

1034
00:50:37,813 --> 00:50:41,693
Speaker 19: not it's not long enough to sort of, I don't know,

1035
00:50:42,173 --> 00:50:43,973
Speaker 19: put money away for a rainy day if you haven't

1036
00:50:43,973 --> 00:50:50,373
Speaker 19: been able to. The hours were dropping drastically anyway. Yeah,

1037
00:50:50,893 --> 00:50:54,613
Speaker 19: so you're already in a financial position where god, you know,

1038
00:50:54,893 --> 00:50:57,133
Speaker 19: you're just you're already kind of getting hit by the

1039
00:50:57,213 --> 00:51:02,093
Speaker 19: fact that that that's dropped off. So not a lot

1040
00:51:02,133 --> 00:51:05,853
Speaker 19: of resources left. And I think a lot of people

1041
00:51:05,893 --> 00:51:06,493
Speaker 19: have possibly in.

1042
00:51:06,533 --> 00:51:07,692
Speaker 3: That position.

1043
00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:14,013
Speaker 19: And redundancy. Things have changed a lot, Like I mean,

1044
00:51:14,053 --> 00:51:16,252
Speaker 19: obviously in the eighties and nineties, if you've been working

1045
00:51:16,293 --> 00:51:18,173
Speaker 19: for a company for a few years and got made redundance,

1046
00:51:18,213 --> 00:51:22,773
Speaker 19: you've got massive payouts. Yeah, but that's not what we

1047
00:51:22,893 --> 00:51:27,933
Speaker 19: deal with currently. So yeah, it was and as I said,

1048
00:51:27,973 --> 00:51:29,853
Speaker 19: we've sort of been you can see the hours are

1049
00:51:29,893 --> 00:51:34,333
Speaker 19: winding down, wind winding down. So that was not really

1050
00:51:34,453 --> 00:51:37,853
Speaker 19: leaving you in a position to you to put anything

1051
00:51:37,853 --> 00:51:38,333
Speaker 19: away either.

1052
00:51:38,893 --> 00:51:41,893
Speaker 3: Well, well we'll think of you sharing your story and

1053
00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:44,693
Speaker 3: good luck out there. And I think are positive for

1054
00:51:44,813 --> 00:51:47,373
Speaker 3: you is that you're not harboring a lot of resentment.

1055
00:51:47,893 --> 00:51:49,933
Speaker 3: I think that that can be a problem going forward

1056
00:51:49,973 --> 00:51:53,812
Speaker 3: when you feel incredibly hard done by, but also you're

1057
00:51:54,173 --> 00:51:57,333
Speaker 3: angry at the company, and you know, you head out

1058
00:51:57,333 --> 00:51:59,933
Speaker 3: into the world and in that kind of state. So

1059
00:52:00,493 --> 00:52:02,053
Speaker 3: it sounds like you've got a pretty good attitude.

1060
00:52:02,813 --> 00:52:03,053
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1061
00:52:03,093 --> 00:52:05,413
Speaker 19: I don't think you can go around blaming a company

1062
00:52:05,493 --> 00:52:08,373
Speaker 19: for these things, because you know, it's an incredibly The

1063
00:52:11,173 --> 00:52:16,333
Speaker 19: business environment today is really hard, So you can't expect

1064
00:52:16,373 --> 00:52:21,013
Speaker 19: a business to put themselves into hardship to keep staff.

1065
00:52:21,053 --> 00:52:22,573
Speaker 19: If they have to be current and have to do

1066
00:52:22,733 --> 00:52:24,652
Speaker 19: certain things, then you've just got to open your eyes

1067
00:52:24,693 --> 00:52:27,573
Speaker 19: up to that. So it's not a blame game. It's

1068
00:52:27,613 --> 00:52:30,053
Speaker 19: a yeah, you've just got to look at Okay, I

1069
00:52:30,093 --> 00:52:33,093
Speaker 19: can't understand why that's happened. Great people I work with

1070
00:52:33,253 --> 00:52:36,493
Speaker 19: the company was a great company to work for. I

1071
00:52:36,693 --> 00:52:40,133
Speaker 19: just hope that they feel they made their right decisions

1072
00:52:40,173 --> 00:52:41,373
Speaker 19: and you're just going to get on with it.

1073
00:52:41,773 --> 00:52:43,333
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for you call. Craig, as

1074
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:45,413
Speaker 3: I say, good luck out there. You sound like if

1075
00:52:45,413 --> 00:52:46,933
Speaker 3: I had a job, I'd probably employ Craig you.

1076
00:52:47,013 --> 00:52:47,333
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1077
00:52:47,773 --> 00:52:48,772
Speaker 3: Sounds like an on to it fella.

1078
00:52:48,973 --> 00:52:52,212
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, good philosophy yep. And good luck with those

1079
00:52:52,253 --> 00:52:54,212
Speaker 2: job interviews as well, Craig. Go at one hundred eighty

1080
00:52:54,253 --> 00:52:55,893
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number of call how did you

1081
00:52:55,933 --> 00:52:58,653
Speaker 2: bounce back from redundancy? Love to hear from you. It

1082
00:52:58,813 --> 00:53:00,133
Speaker 2: is twenty two past two.

1083
00:53:04,093 --> 00:53:07,453
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred

1084
00:53:07,533 --> 00:53:09,453
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk SAVY.

1085
00:53:09,933 --> 00:53:12,853
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon, SHEU. It is twenty four past two,

1086
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Speaker 2: and we've asked the question, how did you bounce back

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00:53:15,413 --> 00:53:18,453
Speaker 2: from redundancy? If you've face that in your life, I

1088
00:53:18,453 --> 00:53:20,293
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty C number to call.

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Speaker 3: My wife was a lawyer for an insurance company for

1090
00:53:22,733 --> 00:53:24,933
Speaker 3: ten plus years. She was made redundant and her payout

1091
00:53:25,133 --> 00:53:27,212
Speaker 3: was well over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

1092
00:53:27,933 --> 00:53:28,573
Speaker 2: Far do you go?

1093
00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:29,692
Speaker 3: She was quite happy?

1094
00:53:30,053 --> 00:53:31,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet she was. That is a hell of

1095
00:53:31,893 --> 00:53:33,333
Speaker 2: a payout. Hey, boys.

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00:53:33,333 --> 00:53:35,813
Speaker 3: I got made redundant about twenty years ago from an

1097
00:53:35,893 --> 00:53:38,213
Speaker 3: organization i'd been with for about fourteen years. There was,

1098
00:53:38,853 --> 00:53:40,773
Speaker 3: of course some bitterness and it was a kick in

1099
00:53:40,813 --> 00:53:42,213
Speaker 3: the guts at the time, but it was also the

1100
00:53:42,253 --> 00:53:44,093
Speaker 3: reason I now live in New Zealand. Having moved from

1101
00:53:44,093 --> 00:53:46,173
Speaker 3: Australia provided the spark for my wife and I had

1102
00:53:46,213 --> 00:53:49,212
Speaker 3: to move. Cheers John, Yeah, there you go. Well that's

1103
00:53:49,213 --> 00:53:54,413
Speaker 3: the thing. What's the saying? What did Nietzsche say? A

1104
00:53:54,533 --> 00:53:57,453
Speaker 3: more farte, which best means love fate? So it is

1105
00:53:57,933 --> 00:53:59,893
Speaker 3: where you are is where you are. There's not much

1106
00:53:59,893 --> 00:54:02,652
Speaker 3: you can do about it, right, Yeah, so the past

1107
00:54:02,693 --> 00:54:05,333
Speaker 3: of the past current, You've just got to love where

1108
00:54:05,373 --> 00:54:07,653
Speaker 3: you are now. The other saying is the obstacle is

1109
00:54:07,693 --> 00:54:09,613
Speaker 3: the way so we are now you're made redundant. That

1110
00:54:09,733 --> 00:54:12,853
Speaker 3: is now the new territory that you tread. So you

1111
00:54:13,013 --> 00:54:15,733
Speaker 3: have to make your decisions based on where you are now.

1112
00:54:15,893 --> 00:54:16,093
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1113
00:54:16,853 --> 00:54:19,373
Speaker 3: I love that philosophy, love fate, whatever it is, I

1114
00:54:19,453 --> 00:54:21,213
Speaker 3: love it. I'm here now, this is my opportunity. The

1115
00:54:21,253 --> 00:54:23,213
Speaker 3: obstacle is the way the obstacle is moving forward from

1116
00:54:23,253 --> 00:54:23,933
Speaker 3: this position here.

1117
00:54:24,093 --> 00:54:26,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1118
00:54:26,373 --> 00:54:28,373
Speaker 2: number to call, Joe. How are you this afternoon?

1119
00:54:29,013 --> 00:54:29,133
Speaker 21: Hi?

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00:54:29,333 --> 00:54:30,253
Speaker 18: Good, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 22: Yep.

1122
00:54:31,853 --> 00:54:33,732
Speaker 18: I just want to say, well, first of all, good

1123
00:54:33,813 --> 00:54:36,733
Speaker 18: luck to Craig. I thought he sounded a really great attitude.

1124
00:54:37,253 --> 00:54:40,293
Speaker 18: I was made redundant in two thousand and it wasn't

1125
00:54:40,333 --> 00:54:42,333
Speaker 18: that big a deal for me because I was becoming

1126
00:54:42,413 --> 00:54:44,373
Speaker 18: my pleaser was running out for London and I got

1127
00:54:44,453 --> 00:54:48,133
Speaker 18: more redundant. But I just wanted to share something that

1128
00:54:48,493 --> 00:54:50,813
Speaker 18: I thought was really interesting. A girlfriend who was also

1129
00:54:50,933 --> 00:54:53,773
Speaker 18: made redundant at the time. She had found out about

1130
00:54:53,853 --> 00:54:57,453
Speaker 18: an essay that was written by a Scottish journalist and

1131
00:54:57,533 --> 00:55:00,053
Speaker 18: it was called the play Ethic. And it's just a

1132
00:55:00,133 --> 00:55:02,573
Speaker 18: really good tool for instead of defining yourself by the

1133
00:55:02,653 --> 00:55:07,133
Speaker 18: work ethec like the Protestant work Ethac and defining yourself

1134
00:55:07,133 --> 00:55:10,013
Speaker 18: as a worker, instead you turn it around and you

1135
00:55:10,133 --> 00:55:12,573
Speaker 18: define yourself as a player. And then and your life

1136
00:55:12,693 --> 00:55:14,772
Speaker 18: is play and you live to your work to allow

1137
00:55:14,813 --> 00:55:16,773
Speaker 18: yourself to play doing these things, and I just think

1138
00:55:16,813 --> 00:55:21,053
Speaker 18: it's a very positive mindset for people, especially when redundancy

1139
00:55:21,133 --> 00:55:24,333
Speaker 18: can open doors to know much more satisfying lives.

1140
00:55:25,413 --> 00:55:28,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting one, isn't it. So you're saying

1141
00:55:28,693 --> 00:55:32,333
Speaker 3: by defining yourself as a worker, then your identity comes

1142
00:55:32,453 --> 00:55:35,773
Speaker 3: tied to that job. So as a result, when if

1143
00:55:35,813 --> 00:55:38,533
Speaker 3: you lose that job, then you're losing part of your identity.

1144
00:55:38,573 --> 00:55:40,893
Speaker 3: But if you define yourself as the other things in

1145
00:55:40,973 --> 00:55:42,653
Speaker 3: your life, then that can't be taken away from you.

1146
00:55:42,733 --> 00:55:43,053
Speaker 2: I guess.

1147
00:55:43,773 --> 00:55:46,093
Speaker 18: Yeah, you're a player, and then extension of being a

1148
00:55:46,173 --> 00:55:49,053
Speaker 18: player is that you play for companies. You take your

1149
00:55:49,133 --> 00:55:53,853
Speaker 18: skill set and them, and therefore you see yourself as

1150
00:55:54,053 --> 00:55:57,733
Speaker 18: more independent and stronger. I just think it's a positive

1151
00:55:57,773 --> 00:55:59,652
Speaker 18: mindset thing and it might help some people.

1152
00:55:59,853 --> 00:56:03,053
Speaker 3: Can you can you rise up? Can you be successful

1153
00:56:03,093 --> 00:56:05,573
Speaker 3: in the company? If you see yourself as a as

1154
00:56:05,613 --> 00:56:05,933
Speaker 3: a player?

1155
00:56:06,013 --> 00:56:07,732
Speaker 18: Does that you think that you're still playing?

1156
00:56:09,093 --> 00:56:09,333
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1157
00:56:09,613 --> 00:56:10,573
Speaker 11: I think so.

1158
00:56:10,693 --> 00:56:14,013
Speaker 3: You mean kind of like a player, like say for expence. Yeah, right,

1159
00:56:14,293 --> 00:56:17,053
Speaker 3: what you're saying, Yeah, so you play for this team.

1160
00:56:17,253 --> 00:56:19,253
Speaker 3: That's an interesting Yeah. I'm just trying to get my

1161
00:56:19,293 --> 00:56:23,053
Speaker 3: head around that. So, yeah, it's so you've been selected

1162
00:56:23,133 --> 00:56:24,973
Speaker 3: to play, but I mean that there's a lot of

1163
00:56:25,013 --> 00:56:28,733
Speaker 3: professional sports players. I think I was reading what Stephen

1164
00:56:28,773 --> 00:56:31,893
Speaker 3: Fleming once said that you never enjoy being a professional

1165
00:56:31,933 --> 00:56:35,973
Speaker 3: sports men because you're you work really hard to get

1166
00:56:36,013 --> 00:56:37,933
Speaker 3: selected and then when you're in the team, you're constantly

1167
00:56:38,133 --> 00:56:39,413
Speaker 3: terrified you get kicked out.

1168
00:56:39,533 --> 00:56:42,453
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, so.

1169
00:56:43,933 --> 00:56:46,093
Speaker 2: Just sorry, just to row back, Joe, you you faced

1170
00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:49,973
Speaker 2: redundancy obviously, and then how long before you picked up

1171
00:56:49,973 --> 00:56:50,653
Speaker 2: this philosophy?

1172
00:56:51,933 --> 00:56:52,373
Speaker 7: Oh it was.

1173
00:56:52,653 --> 00:56:53,573
Speaker 18: It was pretty much like.

1174
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Speaker 14: The next day or something.

1175
00:56:55,093 --> 00:56:58,933
Speaker 18: There's been a few rounds of redundancy. This advertising agency

1176
00:56:58,973 --> 00:57:01,213
Speaker 18: that it was a big one of the big globally

1177
00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:04,652
Speaker 18: ones and not expected to be made redundant a couple

1178
00:57:04,693 --> 00:57:07,333
Speaker 18: of times earlier. I couldn't believe that they hadn't just

1179
00:57:07,653 --> 00:57:10,693
Speaker 18: gone through all that Australians and New Zealanders. And it

1180
00:57:10,773 --> 00:57:12,212
Speaker 18: got to a point where I was kind of hoping

1181
00:57:12,253 --> 00:57:13,493
Speaker 18: to be in the next round, and then I was

1182
00:57:13,533 --> 00:57:15,853
Speaker 18: in the next round, so it was like really quite good.

1183
00:57:16,013 --> 00:57:18,173
Speaker 3: Well that's the positive end of redundancy when you're hoping

1184
00:57:18,253 --> 00:57:18,493
Speaker 3: for it.

1185
00:57:19,093 --> 00:57:22,053
Speaker 18: Oh man, I went to Barcelona and Scotland I had.

1186
00:57:24,053 --> 00:57:25,093
Speaker 8: And then connected Newseilms.

1187
00:57:25,293 --> 00:57:28,373
Speaker 18: But a girlfriend of mine at that agency, she had

1188
00:57:29,773 --> 00:57:31,773
Speaker 18: she'd found out about this essay that was written by

1189
00:57:31,773 --> 00:57:34,493
Speaker 18: a Scottish journalist and it's just it's really cool because

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00:57:34,573 --> 00:57:37,573
Speaker 18: instead of defining yourself, you know, you are an individual,

1191
00:57:37,653 --> 00:57:39,493
Speaker 18: and it just I just think it really helps you

1192
00:57:39,573 --> 00:57:42,133
Speaker 18: into the feeling like you're in control.

1193
00:57:42,413 --> 00:57:45,053
Speaker 2: You know, how quickly were you picked for another team? Joe?

1194
00:57:46,493 --> 00:57:46,613
Speaker 8: Oh?

1195
00:57:46,653 --> 00:57:47,213
Speaker 17: Pretty quickly.

1196
00:57:47,293 --> 00:57:47,453
Speaker 20: Yeah.

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00:57:47,533 --> 00:57:49,773
Speaker 18: Then I just came back to New Zealand and good

1198
00:57:49,773 --> 00:57:52,733
Speaker 18: another job and yeah, life went on as it does,

1199
00:57:52,853 --> 00:57:53,053
Speaker 18: you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Joe, thank you very much. Love that philosophy,

1201
00:57:56,573 --> 00:57:58,133
Speaker 2: and thank you very much for giving us giving us

1202
00:57:58,133 --> 00:57:58,453
Speaker 2: a buzz.

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00:57:59,013 --> 00:57:59,853
Speaker 13: You're welcome, thank you.

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00:58:00,093 --> 00:58:02,013
Speaker 2: Oh weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. I mean

1205
00:58:02,093 --> 00:58:04,453
Speaker 2: it is, it's actually it was a quote that I

1206
00:58:04,533 --> 00:58:07,813
Speaker 2: read from yourself, Matt Heath about facing a challenge, and

1207
00:58:07,893 --> 00:58:10,213
Speaker 2: forgive me, I can't I can't remember the philosopher who

1208
00:58:10,253 --> 00:58:14,853
Speaker 2: said it, but it was when when something you don't

1209
00:58:14,893 --> 00:58:18,813
Speaker 2: expect happens to you, you embrace the challenge on moving forward.

1210
00:58:18,893 --> 00:58:20,493
Speaker 2: That is just save something.

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00:58:21,053 --> 00:58:25,493
Speaker 3: I think you're referring to. Impeddimentium is where yep, that

1212
00:58:25,613 --> 00:58:29,293
Speaker 3: sounds right, which is a Latin for the obstacle is

1213
00:58:29,333 --> 00:58:33,213
Speaker 3: the way? Yes, So basically, so what we get up

1214
00:58:33,213 --> 00:58:35,293
Speaker 3: in this mindset where we go on, Oh, this is

1215
00:58:35,293 --> 00:58:36,893
Speaker 3: a disaster, what's happened here?

1216
00:58:36,973 --> 00:58:38,853
Speaker 2: Where I've ended up as horrible? What am I going

1217
00:58:38,933 --> 00:58:39,053
Speaker 2: to do?

1218
00:58:39,533 --> 00:58:43,853
Speaker 3: But that's kind of intuitive. What the obstacle, what happens,

1219
00:58:43,893 --> 00:58:46,373
Speaker 3: what happens to you provides the path. The obstacle is

1220
00:58:46,413 --> 00:58:48,653
Speaker 3: the way. So you've been made redundant, that is the

1221
00:58:48,733 --> 00:58:51,133
Speaker 3: path you're on. Now there's nothing you can do about that,

1222
00:58:51,293 --> 00:58:53,613
Speaker 3: but you can embrace that path. I've been made redundant.

1223
00:58:53,653 --> 00:58:54,693
Speaker 2: Now I know what I have to do.

1224
00:58:55,013 --> 00:58:57,133
Speaker 3: I have to find another job, I have to sort

1225
00:58:57,173 --> 00:58:59,573
Speaker 3: out my life. I have to move forward. The obstacle

1226
00:58:59,733 --> 00:59:01,573
Speaker 3: is the way. There's nothing you can do about that,

1227
00:59:01,693 --> 00:59:02,693
Speaker 3: so you might as well embrace it.

1228
00:59:02,773 --> 00:59:04,573
Speaker 2: And I love it because it gives people purpose if

1229
00:59:04,573 --> 00:59:06,533
Speaker 2: they're faced in that situation. But love to hear from you.

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00:59:06,733 --> 00:59:08,813
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, if you've been

1231
00:59:08,893 --> 00:59:11,973
Speaker 2: made redundant, how did you bounce back? It is bang

1232
00:59:12,093 --> 00:59:13,053
Speaker 2: on hop past two.

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00:59:15,693 --> 00:59:19,453
Speaker 15: Jus talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis, it's

1234
00:59:19,533 --> 00:59:23,053
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. A person's died after

1235
00:59:23,133 --> 00:59:26,773
Speaker 15: a concrete truck crashed into a house on Rangitoto Avenue,

1236
00:59:27,133 --> 00:59:32,093
Speaker 15: in Auckland's Ramawata about nine am. A coronial inquiry is

1237
00:59:32,133 --> 00:59:34,693
Speaker 15: looking into the murder of five year old Malachi Shuebeck

1238
00:59:34,973 --> 00:59:38,653
Speaker 15: in twenty twenty one by his carer Mikhayla barry Ball.

1239
00:59:39,773 --> 00:59:43,733
Speaker 15: Accusations of negligence by the Financial Markets Authority from a

1240
00:59:43,813 --> 00:59:47,773
Speaker 15: Duval shareholder group have been struck down. The judge says

1241
00:59:47,773 --> 00:59:52,133
Speaker 15: the regulator didn't have that duty of care. Cyclone Gabrielle

1242
00:59:52,173 --> 00:59:55,773
Speaker 15: repairs a nearing completion on Tai Harpe Road, the route

1243
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Speaker 15: connecting Attungetique and Hastings. Hastings District Council reports the last

1244
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Speaker 15: seven in maths and from fifty eight to sixty one

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1249
01:00:20,933 --> 01:00:24,213
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1250
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Speaker 15: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylean, And we're talking about facing redundancy.

1255
01:00:40,973 --> 01:00:43,973
Speaker 2: If you've been through a redundancy, how did you bounce back,

1256
01:00:43,973 --> 01:00:46,453
Speaker 2: particularly if you've been in a job for decades or

1257
01:00:46,733 --> 01:00:50,533
Speaker 2: an extended period of time to face that situation and

1258
01:00:50,613 --> 01:00:53,773
Speaker 2: then have to look at retraining. Would love to hear

1259
01:00:53,813 --> 01:00:55,773
Speaker 2: from you on Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1260
01:00:55,933 --> 01:00:58,013
Speaker 2: or did you get straight back into whatever job you

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01:00:58,093 --> 01:01:01,173
Speaker 2: could find? Nine two ninety two is the text number,

1262
01:01:01,253 --> 01:01:03,973
Speaker 2: great text hes hees guys, I've got made redundant earlier

1263
01:01:04,053 --> 01:01:06,573
Speaker 2: this year after being with the company for twenty four years.

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01:01:07,013 --> 01:01:09,293
Speaker 2: No redundancy, but I use my company pension of two

1265
01:01:09,333 --> 01:01:11,333
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty thousand dollars to pay off my mortgage.

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01:01:11,573 --> 01:01:13,533
Speaker 2: Applied for twenty eight jobs in the first month and

1267
01:01:13,653 --> 01:01:16,053
Speaker 2: managed to get a few interviews. Ended up being a blessing.

1268
01:01:16,173 --> 01:01:18,213
Speaker 2: Is now I have a better job with better pay,

1269
01:01:18,453 --> 01:01:21,013
Speaker 2: more flexibility, and a much better work life balance. It

1270
01:01:21,093 --> 01:01:24,133
Speaker 2: was hell at the time, but sometimes things happen for

1271
01:01:24,213 --> 01:01:26,973
Speaker 2: a reason. A new job can be exciting and a

1272
01:01:27,053 --> 01:01:30,613
Speaker 2: new challenge. Love that text. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

1273
01:01:30,773 --> 01:01:31,733
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to.

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01:01:31,773 --> 01:01:34,373
Speaker 3: Call, say Steve, welcome to the show.

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01:01:35,293 --> 01:01:37,853
Speaker 2: Well, hello Kido mates, and what's your story.

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Speaker 11: So I'm at the latter end of my career but

1277
01:01:43,533 --> 01:01:45,613
Speaker 11: coming up to my sixties. But I've been made redone

1278
01:01:45,653 --> 01:01:51,413
Speaker 11: at twelve times wow my career. And as it started,

1279
01:01:51,573 --> 01:01:55,653
Speaker 11: I was probably twenty and I was working for a

1280
01:01:55,733 --> 01:01:58,173
Speaker 11: meat works and the clerical team and it was probably

1281
01:01:58,213 --> 01:02:00,813
Speaker 11: the first big meat works in New Zealand to go under,

1282
01:02:00,893 --> 01:02:02,973
Speaker 11: so the union ford hard and I walked away with

1283
01:02:03,053 --> 01:02:06,453
Speaker 11: a massive chunk of cash and that took me traveling

1284
01:02:06,493 --> 01:02:09,133
Speaker 11: for four years. But after that decided that I'd get

1285
01:02:09,173 --> 01:02:12,293
Speaker 11: into corporate and over that time, you know, restructures happened

1286
01:02:12,333 --> 01:02:15,173
Speaker 11: all the time, and you end up going through redundancies

1287
01:02:15,413 --> 01:02:15,973
Speaker 11: quite a lot.

1288
01:02:16,573 --> 01:02:20,973
Speaker 2: M yeah, I mean that that's twelve times is a

1289
01:02:21,053 --> 01:02:23,533
Speaker 2: lot for anybody in their working three here, Steve, and

1290
01:02:23,653 --> 01:02:26,213
Speaker 2: it sounds like you've got a really positive outlook on that,

1291
01:02:26,373 --> 01:02:27,973
Speaker 2: so yeah, sorry.

1292
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Speaker 10: You go.

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Speaker 11: Some of them I engineered almost myself, because as I

1294
01:02:31,613 --> 01:02:33,493
Speaker 11: worked through, I got into leadership teams and you do

1295
01:02:33,653 --> 01:02:35,533
Speaker 11: structural changes and all that sort of stuff, so you

1296
01:02:35,573 --> 01:02:39,893
Speaker 11: can engineer your way into a redundancy. And that comes with,

1297
01:02:40,493 --> 01:02:42,453
Speaker 11: you know, whether you want to stay with an organization

1298
01:02:42,613 --> 01:02:45,493
Speaker 11: that's doing what they're doing. And so I left the

1299
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Speaker 11: UK with a redundancy and it was great because the

1300
01:02:47,933 --> 01:02:49,933
Speaker 11: boss and I decided that I would probably wanted to

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01:02:49,973 --> 01:02:52,453
Speaker 11: go back to New Zealand anyway. So as part of

1302
01:02:52,493 --> 01:02:55,853
Speaker 11: that structural change, my job was disestablished, but I walked

1303
01:02:55,853 --> 01:02:58,053
Speaker 11: away with pounds to bring home to New Zealand.

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01:02:59,333 --> 01:03:03,373
Speaker 3: It sounds like you've been writing redundancy to great success, Steve.

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01:03:04,173 --> 01:03:06,893
Speaker 11: My friends do laugh a little bit about the amounts

1306
01:03:06,933 --> 01:03:09,333
Speaker 11: of times I've been made it and it has been

1307
01:03:09,413 --> 01:03:12,453
Speaker 11: lucrative in the earlier years. But now you don't have

1308
01:03:12,573 --> 01:03:14,093
Speaker 11: redundancy clauses like we're used to.

1309
01:03:14,293 --> 01:03:16,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So did any of your run and sees

1310
01:03:16,573 --> 01:03:19,933
Speaker 3: that you emotionally and you know they all do.

1311
01:03:20,613 --> 01:03:22,733
Speaker 11: You know, even though you know things are coming, you

1312
01:03:22,813 --> 01:03:26,573
Speaker 11: can't help but take things personally. So it is it is,

1313
01:03:26,693 --> 01:03:28,413
Speaker 11: you know guy I said earlier, it's a kick in

1314
01:03:28,453 --> 01:03:28,813
Speaker 11: the guts.

1315
01:03:28,933 --> 01:03:29,853
Speaker 8: You do take it.

1316
01:03:30,253 --> 01:03:31,893
Speaker 11: Even though you can see the writing on the wall.

1317
01:03:31,933 --> 01:03:34,293
Speaker 11: You know it's around, so it's you know, you've got

1318
01:03:34,333 --> 01:03:36,333
Speaker 11: to pick so off up. The other thing is I've

1319
01:03:36,413 --> 01:03:38,613
Speaker 11: made a lot of people redundant again in the in

1320
01:03:38,653 --> 01:03:40,693
Speaker 11: the leadership roles and you can see the people that

1321
01:03:41,173 --> 01:03:43,733
Speaker 11: will be the survivors versus the ones that will become

1322
01:03:43,813 --> 01:03:47,693
Speaker 11: the victims. And that's a big that's a hard thing

1323
01:03:47,773 --> 01:03:48,493
Speaker 11: to watch as well.

1324
01:03:49,133 --> 01:03:50,293
Speaker 2: So what is what you know?

1325
01:03:50,373 --> 01:03:53,053
Speaker 3: You've had twelve redundancies, you know, some of them engineered

1326
01:03:53,053 --> 01:03:55,693
Speaker 3: by yourself or in some of them have led to

1327
01:03:55,813 --> 01:03:59,213
Speaker 3: travel and such. But what is your strategy? Have you

1328
01:03:59,333 --> 01:04:02,453
Speaker 3: have you learned some strategies and on the days afterwards,

1329
01:04:02,493 --> 01:04:04,693
Speaker 3: the weeks afterwards, the months afterwards.

1330
01:04:04,973 --> 01:04:07,773
Speaker 11: The main thing is keep learning, so as you evolve

1331
01:04:07,853 --> 01:04:11,733
Speaker 11: in your career, keep learning and also take opportunity. So

1332
01:04:12,373 --> 01:04:17,653
Speaker 11: I always took opportunities and saw a disestablishment as one

1333
01:04:17,693 --> 01:04:20,773
Speaker 11: of those things that it's a final point in that organization.

1334
01:04:21,293 --> 01:04:21,933
Speaker 12: What's next?

1335
01:04:22,373 --> 01:04:24,693
Speaker 11: So I tried different things and my last redundancy was

1336
01:04:24,773 --> 01:04:26,773
Speaker 11: probably six years ago. And now I'm a funeral director

1337
01:04:26,853 --> 01:04:30,893
Speaker 11: running a funeral home. Wow, completely different. But I wanted

1338
01:04:30,933 --> 01:04:32,973
Speaker 11: to look for purpose. And the good thing about a

1339
01:04:33,053 --> 01:04:36,253
Speaker 11: funeral home is not it's a business that probably won't

1340
01:04:37,613 --> 01:04:38,733
Speaker 11: crash and burn too quickly.

1341
01:04:40,373 --> 01:04:42,573
Speaker 3: That the bodies might burn, but the industry keeps.

1342
01:04:42,413 --> 01:04:45,693
Speaker 11: Going and the baby burner is the keeping us busy.

1343
01:04:46,413 --> 01:04:49,093
Speaker 11: But you know, the point is you keep evolving, you

1344
01:04:49,213 --> 01:04:51,573
Speaker 11: keep looking for new opportunity, And I've always kind of

1345
01:04:51,653 --> 01:04:55,493
Speaker 11: had that philosophy. Was it get you down you, Steve?

1346
01:04:55,613 --> 01:04:58,133
Speaker 2: Was there any time when you were going for a

1347
01:04:58,213 --> 01:05:00,213
Speaker 2: new job that they looked at your CV and they

1348
01:05:00,333 --> 01:05:01,733
Speaker 2: questioned some of these gaps.

1349
01:05:02,133 --> 01:05:02,893
Speaker 11: Yep all the time?

1350
01:05:03,373 --> 01:05:04,013
Speaker 2: And what do you say?

1351
01:05:04,133 --> 01:05:06,693
Speaker 11: You know, Well, it's easier to explain a redundancy than

1352
01:05:06,733 --> 01:05:08,933
Speaker 11: it is to be, you know, to try and explain

1353
01:05:09,013 --> 01:05:11,933
Speaker 11: that you've resigned from these organizations. So I guess I

1354
01:05:12,093 --> 01:05:15,253
Speaker 11: had it a little bit easier because of the fact

1355
01:05:15,293 --> 01:05:19,533
Speaker 11: that they are redundancies, and generally that was around structure

1356
01:05:19,693 --> 01:05:21,053
Speaker 11: change or strategy change.

1357
01:05:21,933 --> 01:05:24,613
Speaker 3: Now you said, like you've got a pretty good philosophy, Steve.

1358
01:05:25,133 --> 01:05:27,933
Speaker 3: Did you develop that over time or were you Are

1359
01:05:27,973 --> 01:05:30,693
Speaker 3: you just a naturally naturally positive person?

1360
01:05:30,853 --> 01:05:33,013
Speaker 11: Well, I like to think that I'm naturally positive, but

1361
01:05:33,053 --> 01:05:36,173
Speaker 11: I think there's a resilience that comes with two or

1362
01:05:36,213 --> 01:05:39,653
Speaker 11: three redundancies because you have to pick yourself up, you

1363
01:05:39,773 --> 01:05:41,413
Speaker 11: have to look forward, and you have to you know,

1364
01:05:41,533 --> 01:05:44,933
Speaker 11: you've got to turn up and sort of not be negative.

1365
01:05:44,973 --> 01:05:49,173
Speaker 11: And I've watched organizations that have gone through restructures, and

1366
01:05:49,213 --> 01:05:51,613
Speaker 11: the negativity can be intense and you can get really

1367
01:05:51,893 --> 01:05:54,533
Speaker 11: caught into it. I'm not that person. I'll kind of

1368
01:05:54,573 --> 01:05:56,893
Speaker 11: get up and get on and try and think about

1369
01:05:56,933 --> 01:06:00,493
Speaker 11: the ways that I will be better. I guess.

1370
01:06:01,693 --> 01:06:03,293
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, do you do you like that?

1371
01:06:03,933 --> 01:06:03,973
Speaker 18: No?

1372
01:06:04,093 --> 01:06:06,493
Speaker 11: You go, Steve, So I like that philosophy the woman

1373
01:06:06,573 --> 01:06:08,893
Speaker 11: said before about being a player. I think that's exactly

1374
01:06:08,933 --> 01:06:11,733
Speaker 11: what it's about. You're part of a team and you're

1375
01:06:11,813 --> 01:06:13,973
Speaker 11: invited to play for a period of time to know.

1376
01:06:14,093 --> 01:06:17,773
Speaker 3: Jobs for life, Yeah, well nowadays, definitely not. I mean,

1377
01:06:17,813 --> 01:06:21,373
Speaker 3: how many people in twenty twenty five and going back will.

1378
01:06:21,213 --> 01:06:22,013
Speaker 2: Start their job.

1379
01:06:22,333 --> 01:06:25,733
Speaker 3: Let's say let's say you're twenty now and you start

1380
01:06:25,773 --> 01:06:28,813
Speaker 3: your first job. I mean, how many people will there

1381
01:06:28,893 --> 01:06:30,613
Speaker 3: be any that are still in that same job when

1382
01:06:30,653 --> 01:06:33,653
Speaker 3: they're sixty five? You know, definitely not the same company.

1383
01:06:34,413 --> 01:06:36,613
Speaker 11: No, And I kind of say, I hope not, because

1384
01:06:36,693 --> 01:06:39,973
Speaker 11: I've done great things from being made redundant. And I

1385
01:06:40,053 --> 01:06:42,933
Speaker 11: think that's because a it's a hard stop and you'd

1386
01:06:42,973 --> 01:06:45,973
Speaker 11: have to find something new. Yeah, I've had an amazing

1387
01:06:46,053 --> 01:06:48,773
Speaker 11: opportunity as a result of the hard stop.

1388
01:06:49,573 --> 01:06:49,773
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1389
01:06:49,853 --> 01:06:52,013
Speaker 3: And I guess in a way it can make you

1390
01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:56,013
Speaker 3: appreciate just the concept of employment because you know, they

1391
01:06:56,053 --> 01:06:59,933
Speaker 3: talk about if you're if the opportunity is starving or employment,

1392
01:07:00,013 --> 01:07:02,773
Speaker 3: then you're not bored at your job. But if you're

1393
01:07:02,773 --> 01:07:04,773
Speaker 3: looking at a bunch, you're spending all your day scrolling

1394
01:07:04,773 --> 01:07:06,653
Speaker 3: on Instagram and seeing people that are in a better

1395
01:07:06,693 --> 01:07:08,173
Speaker 3: position than you, you're bored in the job. But if

1396
01:07:08,173 --> 01:07:10,253
Speaker 3: you actually concentrating on the other side of it, which

1397
01:07:10,293 --> 01:07:13,853
Speaker 3: is having no money at all, then you love employment.

1398
01:07:14,773 --> 01:07:18,373
Speaker 11: Yeah, and also take the projects and take the opportunity

1399
01:07:18,453 --> 01:07:20,373
Speaker 11: to learn. So a lot of people go, I'm all

1400
01:07:20,413 --> 01:07:22,253
Speaker 11: right because I've got this great job. But yeah, you

1401
01:07:22,293 --> 01:07:25,533
Speaker 11: know it has changed. Technology changes. I was on telecommunication,

1402
01:07:26,013 --> 01:07:28,293
Speaker 11: so that changed and evolved all the time. You had

1403
01:07:28,333 --> 01:07:29,893
Speaker 11: to keep the head or you get left behind.

1404
01:07:30,093 --> 01:07:30,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true.

1405
01:07:31,053 --> 01:07:33,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's there's so many jobs now

1406
01:07:33,733 --> 01:07:38,453
Speaker 3: that seemed so rock solid that and now I don't know,

1407
01:07:38,773 --> 01:07:41,013
Speaker 3: you know how many TV repair people are there out there?

1408
01:07:41,213 --> 01:07:41,413
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1409
01:07:41,493 --> 01:07:44,413
Speaker 11: Yeah, excepts all ATM technician.

1410
01:07:44,253 --> 01:07:45,533
Speaker 2: Yeah spot on. Yeah.

1411
01:07:45,813 --> 01:07:47,613
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you so much for it for your call, Steve,

1412
01:07:47,653 --> 01:07:50,093
Speaker 3: really appreciate your insights. You sound like a great New Zealander.

1413
01:07:50,693 --> 01:07:52,293
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. What a great call. Oh eight

1414
01:07:52,413 --> 01:07:54,853
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call love

1415
01:07:54,893 --> 01:07:57,133
Speaker 2: to hear your stories. If you've gone through redundancy, how

1416
01:07:57,173 --> 01:07:59,573
Speaker 2: did you bounce back? It is nineteen to.

1417
01:07:59,653 --> 01:08:04,773
Speaker 1: Three your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

1418
01:08:04,933 --> 01:08:08,453
Speaker 1: afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

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01:08:10,773 --> 01:08:12,973
Speaker 2: News Talks. There be great to have your company as always,

1420
01:08:12,973 --> 01:08:15,533
Speaker 2: and we are talking about bouncing back after redundancy. If

1421
01:08:15,573 --> 01:08:16,572
Speaker 2: that you loved to hear from you.

1422
01:08:17,173 --> 01:08:20,452
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, re redundancy best event that ever happened to

1423
01:08:20,532 --> 01:08:23,452
Speaker 3: me at thirty five, saw corporate life for what it was,

1424
01:08:23,613 --> 01:08:27,213
Speaker 3: started my own business with passion, risk and bloody hard work,

1425
01:08:27,293 --> 01:08:30,692
Speaker 3: and attracted the best people. Took me on an brilliant journey,

1426
01:08:31,293 --> 01:08:33,452
Speaker 3: meant many amazing people along the way. Recently sold the

1427
01:08:33,492 --> 01:08:37,452
Speaker 3: business twenty five years later, exited with millions of dollars. David, Ah,

1428
01:08:38,133 --> 01:08:40,973
Speaker 3: That rats, that's that's a pendimentium?

1429
01:08:41,173 --> 01:08:44,492
Speaker 2: Is weird? Guy? Isn't it making lemonade out of lemons?

1430
01:08:44,532 --> 01:08:44,972
Speaker 2: That's for sure?

1431
01:08:45,013 --> 01:08:46,293
Speaker 3: I thought you're going to say making love out of

1432
01:08:46,333 --> 01:08:46,812
Speaker 3: nothing at all?

1433
01:08:47,732 --> 01:08:48,133
Speaker 13: There is that?

1434
01:08:48,492 --> 01:08:50,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, does that analogy work? I think it does.

1435
01:08:50,492 --> 01:08:53,492
Speaker 3: What's that song making love out nothing at all?

1436
01:08:54,652 --> 01:08:55,253
Speaker 2: Great lyric?

1437
01:08:55,412 --> 01:08:55,612
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1438
01:08:56,293 --> 01:08:57,372
Speaker 3: What does that even mean.

1439
01:08:59,133 --> 01:09:00,572
Speaker 2: Sand Deep. How are you, my friend?

1440
01:09:01,572 --> 01:09:02,532
Speaker 6: Good mate? How you boys?

1441
01:09:03,253 --> 01:09:06,492
Speaker 2: Very good? Now, what's your story? You've faced redundancy yourself?

1442
01:09:07,572 --> 01:09:09,372
Speaker 14: Yeah, a couple of times. I was actually once some

1443
01:09:09,652 --> 01:09:12,372
Speaker 14: look I'm not too shamed to name the names. Look Turners.

1444
01:09:12,412 --> 01:09:14,652
Speaker 14: I was at Turners back in the day. I work

1445
01:09:14,692 --> 01:09:16,972
Speaker 14: in the risk and compliance space of the finance division.

1446
01:09:17,732 --> 01:09:20,612
Speaker 14: And risking compliance, as you can imagine, is a roll

1447
01:09:20,692 --> 01:09:22,972
Speaker 14: intricate to business precision and all that sort of stuff

1448
01:09:23,013 --> 01:09:25,732
Speaker 14: to regulated down your throat all the time and whatnot.

1449
01:09:25,812 --> 01:09:27,492
Speaker 14: So you've got to be on your game and to

1450
01:09:27,532 --> 01:09:30,012
Speaker 14: make sure that the business can operate into the foreseeable future.

1451
01:09:31,853 --> 01:09:35,693
Speaker 14: Diners was purchased by Dorchester, so once they started strengthening

1452
01:09:35,772 --> 01:09:38,572
Speaker 14: their muscles over their purchase of Turners, they had their

1453
01:09:38,612 --> 01:09:41,492
Speaker 14: own compliance team, which meant that my well, I was

1454
01:09:41,532 --> 01:09:44,532
Speaker 14: made redundon that in that space because they had someone

1455
01:09:44,692 --> 01:09:48,652
Speaker 14: or the entire team actually to replace my role right

1456
01:09:49,652 --> 01:09:52,093
Speaker 14: equal to that. So what I did then I had

1457
01:09:52,133 --> 01:09:54,812
Speaker 14: sometimes to sit around and so he explain that, and

1458
01:09:55,173 --> 01:09:59,692
Speaker 14: I completed my second Masters and that Yeah, that was

1459
01:09:59,812 --> 01:10:03,412
Speaker 14: just me keeping my brain engaged, because my dognant mind

1460
01:10:03,532 --> 01:10:04,532
Speaker 14: is a very dangerous place.

1461
01:10:04,612 --> 01:10:05,253
Speaker 2: Boys, I'll tell you that.

1462
01:10:05,333 --> 01:10:05,572
Speaker 1: Well.

1463
01:10:06,093 --> 01:10:09,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, so looking back now, you say that that was

1464
01:10:09,853 --> 01:10:12,133
Speaker 3: ended up being a positive thing, that redundancy.

1465
01:10:13,053 --> 01:10:15,013
Speaker 14: It was a positive thing. It was a positive thing

1466
01:10:15,053 --> 01:10:16,932
Speaker 14: in such a way that, look at first he kept

1467
01:10:16,973 --> 01:10:20,253
Speaker 14: me out of trouble, keep me focused. Then God the

1468
01:10:20,333 --> 01:10:22,852
Speaker 14: second masters. But subsequent to that, then when I was

1469
01:10:22,893 --> 01:10:25,933
Speaker 14: going to job interviews after that, the interesting fact was

1470
01:10:26,652 --> 01:10:30,293
Speaker 14: that every job you go to, you know how the

1471
01:10:30,293 --> 01:10:33,492
Speaker 14: if they managers, they hire in their own image or

1472
01:10:33,532 --> 01:10:37,652
Speaker 14: they hire in fear. So what happened was I was

1473
01:10:37,732 --> 01:10:40,333
Speaker 14: finding a lot of rejections in such a way that

1474
01:10:40,492 --> 01:10:42,412
Speaker 14: the manager think, oh shit, this blow care is now,

1475
01:10:42,532 --> 01:10:44,173
Speaker 14: he's going to overtake me. He's going to be coming

1476
01:10:44,213 --> 01:10:47,333
Speaker 14: from my seatstone. You know, he shouldn't be applying for

1477
01:10:47,412 --> 01:10:48,932
Speaker 14: this role. He should be applying for my job.

1478
01:10:50,053 --> 01:10:50,732
Speaker 3: Qualified thing.

1479
01:10:51,652 --> 01:10:55,532
Speaker 14: That's right, that's right. So maybe it was a little

1480
01:10:55,532 --> 01:10:57,173
Speaker 14: bit of I don't know, and security from their place

1481
01:10:57,293 --> 01:11:01,053
Speaker 14: or whatever it was, they saw that, and one dude,

1482
01:11:01,093 --> 01:11:02,372
Speaker 14: I went and I sat down with them when I

1483
01:11:02,692 --> 01:11:04,213
Speaker 14: was having an interview, and I said, look, I was

1484
01:11:04,372 --> 01:11:07,333
Speaker 14: I've been made redundant from my role. Here he goes, no,

1485
01:11:07,452 --> 01:11:11,532
Speaker 14: hold on, you weren't made redundant. Your role was made redundant.

1486
01:11:11,612 --> 01:11:13,213
Speaker 14: Use that as part of your dialogue from now on.

1487
01:11:13,572 --> 01:11:14,852
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, I like that.

1488
01:11:16,173 --> 01:11:19,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what he was saying, that's part of the job,

1489
01:11:19,133 --> 01:11:20,093
Speaker 3: not being your identity.

1490
01:11:21,333 --> 01:11:24,013
Speaker 14: Correct. Correct, So it's not meat that was made it

1491
01:11:24,213 --> 01:11:26,373
Speaker 14: was a role that was made redundant.

1492
01:11:27,053 --> 01:11:30,452
Speaker 3: Having said that, Sunday, there are occasions then when you,

1493
01:11:30,893 --> 01:11:33,852
Speaker 3: not you specifically, but where the person is made redundant

1494
01:11:33,893 --> 01:11:35,972
Speaker 3: and they move heaven and earth to make that person

1495
01:11:36,452 --> 01:11:39,973
Speaker 3: redundant because they aren't right. Like some people might be

1496
01:11:40,053 --> 01:11:42,532
Speaker 3: spinning it, and maybe that's a great way to spin

1497
01:11:42,612 --> 01:11:44,532
Speaker 3: it no matter who you are, but on some occasions

1498
01:11:44,572 --> 01:11:46,012
Speaker 3: it is actually you being made redundant.

1499
01:11:46,053 --> 01:11:48,333
Speaker 2: If you know what I'm saying, I absolutely agree.

1500
01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:50,572
Speaker 14: I absolutely agree for performance or whatever and just using

1501
01:11:50,612 --> 01:11:53,372
Speaker 14: your heiding by politics and bureaucracy to get rid of someone,

1502
01:11:53,412 --> 01:11:54,333
Speaker 14: you know, act a role.

1503
01:11:54,612 --> 01:11:58,532
Speaker 2: Yeah. What did you do your masters in Sunday, mate.

1504
01:11:58,372 --> 01:11:59,972
Speaker 14: I've done my Executive NBA.

1505
01:12:00,812 --> 01:12:01,852
Speaker 12: That was my first masters.

1506
01:12:01,893 --> 01:12:04,572
Speaker 14: Then I did my I was the youngest graduate in

1507
01:12:04,612 --> 01:12:06,732
Speaker 14: the country actually with that with the Executive NBA did

1508
01:12:06,772 --> 01:12:09,293
Speaker 14: that when I was in my mid twenties, and after

1509
01:12:09,372 --> 01:12:11,213
Speaker 14: that the university tapped me on the shoulder and said, look,

1510
01:12:11,213 --> 01:12:14,053
Speaker 14: we've got another program going on called a Masters of

1511
01:12:14,133 --> 01:12:16,412
Speaker 14: Advanced Leadership, and we see you as one of the

1512
01:12:16,452 --> 01:12:19,772
Speaker 14: boys that's going to be someone you know, very adept

1513
01:12:19,853 --> 01:12:21,452
Speaker 14: and is on and someone who's going to lead our

1514
01:12:21,532 --> 01:12:23,612
Speaker 14: leaders in our future. So they kept me on the

1515
01:12:23,612 --> 01:12:26,053
Speaker 14: shoulder to do my Master's of Advanced Leadership. And just

1516
01:12:26,133 --> 01:12:29,093
Speaker 14: as that redundancy notice came across, I said, yeah, well

1517
01:12:29,173 --> 01:12:32,093
Speaker 14: why not, bugger, let's give it a go and will

1518
01:12:32,173 --> 01:12:32,652
Speaker 14: be in here.

1519
01:12:32,812 --> 01:12:33,333
Speaker 10: Got into it.

1520
01:12:33,933 --> 01:12:35,213
Speaker 14: And have you thrashed that out?

1521
01:12:35,333 --> 01:12:37,532
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's out of a thing to do? Masters? But

1522
01:12:37,692 --> 01:12:39,372
Speaker 2: have you and a little one two of them, have

1523
01:12:39,492 --> 01:12:41,852
Speaker 2: you managed to use that in your in a new

1524
01:12:41,893 --> 01:12:42,532
Speaker 2: career standing?

1525
01:12:43,532 --> 01:12:43,732
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1526
01:12:43,772 --> 01:12:43,893
Speaker 2: I have.

1527
01:12:44,133 --> 01:12:45,852
Speaker 7: I have rival.

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01:12:46,093 --> 01:12:47,452
Speaker 14: I mean all the teachings that you get, you know,

1529
01:12:47,572 --> 01:12:50,572
Speaker 14: in the in the classroom, and I'm not, as you

1530
01:12:50,612 --> 01:12:52,093
Speaker 14: could probably tell, I'm not the greatest guy in the

1531
01:12:52,093 --> 01:12:53,933
Speaker 14: classroom und the garden sitting in the back seat and

1532
01:12:54,253 --> 01:12:57,372
Speaker 14: get in a bit of a laugh. But came down

1533
01:12:57,372 --> 01:12:59,372
Speaker 14: to assignments and when it came time to put you know,

1534
01:12:59,532 --> 01:13:02,612
Speaker 14: stuff into practice, I got into it. And my writing

1535
01:13:02,692 --> 01:13:04,293
Speaker 14: and literature and all that sort of stuff was pretty

1536
01:13:04,333 --> 01:13:07,612
Speaker 14: good and brought a lot of that and a lot

1537
01:13:07,652 --> 01:13:09,893
Speaker 14: of the frameworks and teachings and the way that I

1538
01:13:10,133 --> 01:13:13,372
Speaker 14: like to learn. Like it made me understand that when

1539
01:13:14,053 --> 01:13:15,612
Speaker 14: the best way that I work is when I get

1540
01:13:15,652 --> 01:13:18,293
Speaker 14: into something, I have to lose myself, break it and

1541
01:13:18,372 --> 01:13:20,692
Speaker 14: then try and fix it and then know how it

1542
01:13:20,772 --> 01:13:21,612
Speaker 14: works on the inside out.

1543
01:13:23,253 --> 01:13:26,532
Speaker 2: Sandy, Yeah, fantastic. I mean, hats off to you to

1544
01:13:26,973 --> 01:13:30,492
Speaker 2: go and do a master's second Masters. That is certainly

1545
01:13:30,612 --> 01:13:31,932
Speaker 2: making the best of a bad situation.

1546
01:13:32,492 --> 01:13:35,692
Speaker 3: Hey, Jents, being your own man slash woman is essential

1547
01:13:35,732 --> 01:13:38,732
Speaker 3: in one's life. In my opinion, I realized at nineteen

1548
01:13:38,812 --> 01:13:40,772
Speaker 3: that jobs and bosses could get in the way of

1549
01:13:41,093 --> 01:13:44,772
Speaker 3: a perfectly good drug habit. Well just kidding. I've had

1550
01:13:45,133 --> 01:13:48,052
Speaker 3: great highs part in the pun and soul destroying losses

1551
01:13:48,093 --> 01:13:52,333
Speaker 3: and business, but a very interesting ride, nonetheless, Ross, grateful

1552
01:13:52,452 --> 01:13:54,373
Speaker 3: dad of Auklann you fantastic.

1553
01:13:54,732 --> 01:13:57,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, well done, Ross, And it's ten minutes to three

1554
01:13:57,133 --> 01:13:58,213
Speaker 2: back very shortly.

1555
01:13:59,173 --> 01:14:01,572
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1556
01:14:01,612 --> 01:14:05,093
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

1557
01:14:05,213 --> 01:14:05,972
Speaker 1: Talks EDB.

1558
01:14:06,853 --> 01:14:09,652
Speaker 2: News Talks B. It is eight to three and we

1559
01:14:09,732 --> 01:14:12,293
Speaker 2: are talking about redundancy how did you bounce back? Have

1560
01:14:12,333 --> 01:14:12,772
Speaker 2: you faced that?

1561
01:14:13,492 --> 01:14:15,732
Speaker 3: So, welcome to the show. I understand you've bounced back.

1562
01:14:16,732 --> 01:14:20,452
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, thank you guys. Yes, So I work in

1563
01:14:20,532 --> 01:14:24,692
Speaker 20: an industry that is a professional industry, and I've been

1564
01:14:25,053 --> 01:14:29,572
Speaker 20: part of that industry for maybe fifteen twenty years. Anyway,

1565
01:14:29,772 --> 01:14:33,093
Speaker 20: just before Christmas, oh no, halfway through last year, I

1566
01:14:33,333 --> 01:14:36,173
Speaker 20: was told I had to go part time, which I

1567
01:14:36,333 --> 01:14:39,372
Speaker 20: resented at the time but actually turned out to be fantastic.

1568
01:14:40,133 --> 01:14:44,012
Speaker 20: And then Christmas there were several of us made redundant.

1569
01:14:44,173 --> 01:14:47,372
Speaker 20: And I was at the time seventy two. I'm now

1570
01:14:47,492 --> 01:14:50,612
Speaker 20: seventy three. So I thought, my gosh, where am I

1571
01:14:50,692 --> 01:14:51,053
Speaker 20: going to go?

1572
01:14:51,253 --> 01:14:52,732
Speaker 21: I still want to work, I still.

1573
01:14:52,572 --> 01:14:56,013
Speaker 20: Need to work. And I just thought, oh, well, I'll

1574
01:14:56,013 --> 01:14:58,772
Speaker 20: always just go cleaning, you know, because I love cleaning anyway,

1575
01:14:59,213 --> 01:15:01,053
Speaker 20: So I thought, oh, well I'll go. I'll go and

1576
01:15:01,213 --> 01:15:02,692
Speaker 20: clean houses. That's not a problem.

1577
01:15:03,532 --> 01:15:03,973
Speaker 13: And so.

1578
01:15:05,452 --> 01:15:08,213
Speaker 20: In the January I got a phone call from an

1579
01:15:08,652 --> 01:15:12,972
Speaker 20: ex colleague that I'd worked with, and they I didn't

1580
01:15:13,013 --> 01:15:15,173
Speaker 20: realize that this is what they were planning, but I'd

1581
01:15:15,253 --> 01:15:18,093
Speaker 20: heard that I'd been made redundant, and he just said, oh,

1582
01:15:18,133 --> 01:15:19,812
Speaker 20: would you like to come and have a coffee in

1583
01:15:19,933 --> 01:15:22,173
Speaker 20: it and you know, have a lunch, and I said yes.

1584
01:15:23,452 --> 01:15:27,892
Speaker 20: Then in amongst the conversation, he just said, oh, are

1585
01:15:27,973 --> 01:15:30,013
Speaker 20: you thinking about keeping, you know, going back to work

1586
01:15:30,093 --> 01:15:32,173
Speaker 20: if you can. I said, yeah, but who's going to

1587
01:15:32,293 --> 01:15:35,053
Speaker 20: hire me? You know, like I'm seventy two years old.

1588
01:15:35,133 --> 01:15:37,932
Speaker 20: Not that people need to know that, but it's it's

1589
01:15:38,013 --> 01:15:42,253
Speaker 20: a mindset, you know. And so anyway with him, he said, oh,

1590
01:15:42,253 --> 01:15:44,452
Speaker 20: he said, I've got somebody else to speak with. And

1591
01:15:44,572 --> 01:15:47,572
Speaker 20: then within two weeks I had another job.

1592
01:15:47,933 --> 01:15:50,772
Speaker 3: Fantastic, congratulations, thank you.

1593
01:15:51,333 --> 01:15:54,812
Speaker 20: Being in the same industry but with different people. Now,

1594
01:15:55,213 --> 01:15:58,972
Speaker 20: I just wanted to say something too. I felt really

1595
01:15:59,093 --> 01:16:03,852
Speaker 20: inadequate learning new programs, because you know, like you've got

1596
01:16:03,933 --> 01:16:07,612
Speaker 20: that psyche that says, old dog can't learn, what does it.

1597
01:16:07,732 --> 01:16:08,293
Speaker 21: Learn new tree?

1598
01:16:08,612 --> 01:16:10,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. It's not true.

1599
01:16:10,652 --> 01:16:13,492
Speaker 20: And I'm not a I'm not a techno. I am

1600
01:16:14,133 --> 01:16:17,972
Speaker 20: very practical. But however, I sat there, I have learned

1601
01:16:18,013 --> 01:16:21,132
Speaker 20: to work on three screens, big screens, so three screens

1602
01:16:21,173 --> 01:16:24,892
Speaker 20: in front of me. I've learned new programs. I've learned.

1603
01:16:25,053 --> 01:16:27,253
Speaker 20: But the thing was that that had younger people do

1604
01:16:27,412 --> 01:16:29,732
Speaker 20: the job that they wanted me to do. But they

1605
01:16:29,812 --> 01:16:34,572
Speaker 20: didn't know the lingo of the industry, and so with

1606
01:16:34,812 --> 01:16:37,892
Speaker 20: my experience of having worked for so long, I knew

1607
01:16:37,973 --> 01:16:40,692
Speaker 20: exactly what people were saying. I just needed to learn

1608
01:16:41,133 --> 01:16:41,853
Speaker 20: the programs.

1609
01:16:42,213 --> 01:16:44,093
Speaker 3: Oh, good on you, Sue, So do you go. So

1610
01:16:44,253 --> 01:16:45,892
Speaker 3: it seemed like a bad thing, but it's ended up

1611
01:16:45,893 --> 01:16:49,173
Speaker 3: being a fantastic thing. Rob, you've got some advice. No

1612
01:16:49,572 --> 01:16:50,813
Speaker 3: Robbers disappeared.

1613
01:16:50,933 --> 01:16:53,293
Speaker 2: Oh we just lost Rob. He had some advice for

1614
01:16:53,372 --> 01:16:55,452
Speaker 2: those being made redundant. We see, we might have run

1615
01:16:55,452 --> 01:16:56,092
Speaker 2: out of time beginning.

1616
01:16:56,372 --> 01:16:58,492
Speaker 3: We may never find out. Maybe that the advice from

1617
01:16:58,572 --> 01:17:01,973
Speaker 3: Rob was the greatest advice ever. What a tease, And

1618
01:17:02,173 --> 01:17:03,452
Speaker 3: just as we were going to and we've only got

1619
01:17:03,492 --> 01:17:05,253
Speaker 3: seconds left in the hour, going to help so many

1620
01:17:05,333 --> 01:17:09,932
Speaker 3: people when Rob Rob is gonna, Rob's going to save lives.

1621
01:17:10,532 --> 01:17:12,812
Speaker 2: We're gonna we'll try and give a Robber call back.

1622
01:17:12,853 --> 01:17:14,893
Speaker 2: But we might've run out of time. This is a

1623
01:17:14,933 --> 01:17:16,932
Speaker 2: good text. Good afternoon, guys. My wife is the anti

1624
01:17:17,053 --> 01:17:19,412
Speaker 2: redundancy queen. She left school when she was seventeen into

1625
01:17:19,452 --> 01:17:21,772
Speaker 2: a job and now is fifty one on the same job.

1626
01:17:21,853 --> 01:17:23,812
Speaker 2: The company has been taken over seven or eight times

1627
01:17:23,893 --> 01:17:25,532
Speaker 2: over the years, and she has always moved up the

1628
01:17:25,572 --> 01:17:27,772
Speaker 2: ladder and never been made redundant from Jason.

1629
01:17:27,853 --> 01:17:31,213
Speaker 3: Here's my advice if you can't get Robs from Mike. Hey, chaps,

1630
01:17:31,692 --> 01:17:35,053
Speaker 3: we've always said, turn the obstacles into opportunities. It gets

1631
01:17:35,093 --> 01:17:36,173
Speaker 3: you through cheers.

1632
01:17:36,612 --> 01:17:39,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. I mean that goes back to your

1633
01:17:39,532 --> 01:17:40,732
Speaker 2: you know, obstacles the.

1634
01:17:40,732 --> 01:17:43,133
Speaker 3: Way, and it goes back to your making love out

1635
01:17:43,173 --> 01:17:43,892
Speaker 3: of nothing at all.

1636
01:17:44,893 --> 01:17:49,412
Speaker 2: Good advice there, scenario. Thank you very much to everyone

1637
01:17:49,452 --> 01:17:52,612
Speaker 2: who called and teached on that. Some really good phone calls.

1638
01:17:52,692 --> 01:17:56,133
Speaker 2: That our new sport and weather is coming up and

1639
01:17:56,253 --> 01:17:58,253
Speaker 2: after three o'clock this is going to be a great

1640
01:17:58,333 --> 01:18:00,253
Speaker 2: discussion the simulation theory.

1641
01:18:00,572 --> 01:18:04,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, are we living in a simulation? Are you living

1642
01:18:04,053 --> 01:18:06,532
Speaker 3: in a simulation? Are you all living in my simulation?

1643
01:18:06,973 --> 01:18:10,532
Speaker 2: And do you care? Eighty ten eighty is the number

1644
01:18:10,572 --> 01:18:12,492
Speaker 2: to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

1645
01:18:13,173 --> 01:18:15,452
Speaker 3: I wonder if Rob's advice was make love had nothing

1646
01:18:15,492 --> 01:18:15,772
Speaker 3: at all?

1647
01:18:16,812 --> 01:18:20,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, good advice there, Right, three minutes to three degrees shortly.

1648
01:18:28,452 --> 01:18:32,772
Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1649
01:18:33,013 --> 01:18:36,853
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

1650
01:18:37,652 --> 01:18:40,213
Speaker 2: Very good afternoons. You welcome back. Into the program. I

1651
01:18:40,213 --> 01:18:43,213
Speaker 2: hope you're having a great Monday after noon. We certainly are.

1652
01:18:43,293 --> 01:18:45,812
Speaker 2: But thank you very much for your company. As always,

1653
01:18:45,853 --> 01:18:46,852
Speaker 2: this is going to be a great chat.

1654
01:18:47,133 --> 01:18:49,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to your texts and calls on this one.

1655
01:18:49,973 --> 01:18:52,372
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's gonna be some

1656
01:18:52,532 --> 01:18:55,172
Speaker 3: people that are going to find this next topic confronting.

1657
01:18:55,692 --> 01:18:58,012
Speaker 3: There's some people that are going to dismiss it offhand

1658
01:18:58,093 --> 01:18:59,932
Speaker 3: and say it's a stupid thing to talk about.

1659
01:19:00,013 --> 01:19:00,532
Speaker 2: There we'll beat.

1660
01:19:00,572 --> 01:19:02,532
Speaker 3: There's some people that are going to embrace it and

1661
01:19:02,812 --> 01:19:07,612
Speaker 3: go deep. The question we're asking this hour is are

1662
01:19:07,692 --> 01:19:13,932
Speaker 3: we living in a already there's some people just gearing

1663
01:19:14,053 --> 01:19:15,532
Speaker 3: up to text and what a stupid topic.

1664
01:19:15,692 --> 01:19:15,852
Speaker 2: Yep.

1665
01:19:16,452 --> 01:19:20,293
Speaker 3: But it's a question that's being asked more and more,

1666
01:19:20,853 --> 01:19:23,572
Speaker 3: and it's all over the news this weekend, and major

1667
01:19:23,893 --> 01:19:26,492
Speaker 3: philosophers have been asking this question. And I was asking

1668
01:19:26,532 --> 01:19:29,253
Speaker 3: the question when I was at the movies and the

1669
01:19:29,293 --> 01:19:33,293
Speaker 3: weekend I went to see Superman. And just before I

1670
01:19:33,333 --> 01:19:35,173
Speaker 3: went to Superman in the morning, i'd shown one of

1671
01:19:35,253 --> 01:19:38,812
Speaker 3: my son's Jaws because he was asking me what I

1672
01:19:38,853 --> 01:19:41,732
Speaker 3: thought the greatest movie ever made was, and I said Jaws. Yep,

1673
01:19:42,133 --> 01:19:45,892
Speaker 3: Jaws the Steven Spielberg classic. It's the absolute perfect movie.

1674
01:19:46,612 --> 01:19:48,012
Speaker 3: It stands up all.

1675
01:19:47,933 --> 01:19:48,572
Speaker 2: These years later.

1676
01:19:48,692 --> 01:19:52,012
Speaker 3: Fifty years later, it is still just a action pack

1677
01:19:52,253 --> 01:19:55,052
Speaker 3: visceral movie. Every now and then the Shark look's rubbish.

1678
01:19:55,772 --> 01:19:58,372
Speaker 3: But anyway, I was talking about that. Just off the bat,

1679
01:19:58,532 --> 01:20:00,492
Speaker 3: I thought, less, watch Jaws. Then I take him to

1680
01:20:00,532 --> 01:20:03,652
Speaker 3: Superman and his brother in the afternoon at the movie

1681
01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:05,253
Speaker 3: theater and they play a trailer for Jaws, and I

1682
01:20:05,293 --> 01:20:07,053
Speaker 3: was like, we're living in assmination. This is too much

1683
01:20:07,053 --> 01:20:07,612
Speaker 3: of a coincidence.

1684
01:20:07,692 --> 01:20:10,253
Speaker 2: What are the odds that generally though? I mean, I've

1685
01:20:10,293 --> 01:20:12,333
Speaker 2: been to many many movies in the cinera my life,

1686
01:20:12,372 --> 01:20:13,973
Speaker 2: and never have I seen a trailer for Jaws. So

1687
01:20:14,093 --> 01:20:15,973
Speaker 2: that is almost too much of a coincidence.

1688
01:20:16,333 --> 01:20:19,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, although you could argue it's the movie came out

1689
01:20:19,893 --> 01:20:23,493
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy five, so it's the fiftieth year anniversary.

1690
01:20:23,572 --> 01:20:25,812
Speaker 3: So hence that's why it's on Netflix since we watched it,

1691
01:20:25,853 --> 01:20:28,972
Speaker 3: and that's why it was a trailer because they bringing

1692
01:20:29,013 --> 01:20:30,772
Speaker 3: back in the movie theaters. You could you could ask that,

1693
01:20:30,973 --> 01:20:33,093
Speaker 3: or you could say, we live in a simulation. Now

1694
01:20:33,732 --> 01:20:36,412
Speaker 3: simulation theory. Shall I put the argument together? I've talked

1695
01:20:36,572 --> 01:20:39,812
Speaker 3: extensively Worth Professor Brian Cox. You may know him, the

1696
01:20:40,213 --> 01:20:44,213
Speaker 3: very famous Manchurian. Manchurian is that someone from Manchester is

1697
01:20:44,213 --> 01:20:44,853
Speaker 3: a Manchurian.

1698
01:20:45,133 --> 01:20:47,652
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, that works, doesn't it. If you're

1699
01:20:47,692 --> 01:20:49,012
Speaker 2: from Manchester, your Manchurian.

1700
01:20:49,452 --> 01:20:51,652
Speaker 3: There's the Manchurian candidate. But that's a different thing.

1701
01:20:51,692 --> 01:20:54,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very very different. But anyway, very nown physicist.

1702
01:20:55,173 --> 01:20:58,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And I had a big discussion with him

1703
01:20:58,333 --> 01:21:01,293
Speaker 3: and he he says, it's a very good chance that

1704
01:21:01,293 --> 01:21:03,532
Speaker 3: we're living in a simulation. So I'll put together, I'll

1705
01:21:03,532 --> 01:21:06,173
Speaker 3: put you forward the argument Okay, yep, why we're living

1706
01:21:06,253 --> 01:21:08,293
Speaker 3: Why there's a good chance that you're living in a simulation?

1707
01:21:08,492 --> 01:21:09,492
Speaker 2: Okay, right at us.

1708
01:21:10,293 --> 01:21:14,572
Speaker 3: So it was first postulated by philosopher Nick Bostrom in

1709
01:21:14,933 --> 01:21:18,173
Speaker 3: two thousand and three in a paper called not surprisingly

1710
01:21:18,492 --> 01:21:21,852
Speaker 3: are you living in a commuter simulation? So here are

1711
01:21:21,893 --> 01:21:26,532
Speaker 3: the three tenants of the argument. Ok One, civilizations really

1712
01:21:26,612 --> 01:21:29,772
Speaker 3: reach a post human stage. Okay, yep, so you ask

1713
01:21:29,853 --> 01:21:34,213
Speaker 3: these questions, advanced civilizations capable of creating highly realistic simulations

1714
01:21:34,253 --> 01:21:37,213
Speaker 3: either go extinct or fail to develop the necessary technology.

1715
01:21:37,692 --> 01:21:40,652
Speaker 3: Just bear with me with this argument. The second part

1716
01:21:40,772 --> 01:21:45,293
Speaker 3: post human civilizations really run simulations. Advanced civilizations was the

1717
01:21:45,372 --> 01:21:48,253
Speaker 3: capability to create simulations choose not to run many or

1718
01:21:48,372 --> 01:21:52,692
Speaker 3: any simulations of beings with their own consciousness, perhaps due

1719
01:21:52,692 --> 01:21:54,412
Speaker 3: to ethical, resource or other constraints.

1720
01:21:54,532 --> 01:21:55,012
Speaker 2: Right, yep.

1721
01:21:55,652 --> 01:21:58,812
Speaker 3: Third, we are almost certainly living in a simulation if

1722
01:21:58,853 --> 01:22:05,012
Speaker 3: advanced civilizations do so. If you don't accept the validity

1723
01:22:05,053 --> 01:22:08,293
Speaker 3: of those first two premises, If advanced civilizations do create

1724
01:22:08,452 --> 01:22:12,372
Speaker 3: many simulations, the number of simulated realities would vastly outnumber

1725
01:22:12,973 --> 01:22:16,372
Speaker 3: base realities, making it statistically likely that we are in

1726
01:22:16,572 --> 01:22:20,572
Speaker 3: a simulation rather than original reality. Quite compelling that that's

1727
01:22:20,612 --> 01:22:23,213
Speaker 3: his argument. So I guess the way you'd put it,

1728
01:22:23,293 --> 01:22:25,213
Speaker 3: if you accept that we will one day be able

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Speaker 3: to make simulations indistinguishable from realities, which seems likely, then

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01:22:30,253 --> 01:22:31,893
Speaker 3: it's more likely that you live in one of the

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01:22:31,933 --> 01:22:35,012
Speaker 3: simulations of reality than it is that you live in reality.

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Speaker 2: It is a fascinating theory. But just to bring you

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01:22:39,452 --> 01:22:42,372
Speaker 2: back to that first question, is that part of the

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01:22:42,452 --> 01:22:45,652
Speaker 2: reason why some of these physicists and the very renowned

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01:22:45,692 --> 01:22:49,492
Speaker 2: physicists say that we haven't discovered life on other planets yet,

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01:22:49,532 --> 01:22:53,652
Speaker 2: that there's a high potential that this advanced civilization has

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01:22:53,692 --> 01:22:57,333
Speaker 2: put us into the simulation and they are controlling that narrative.

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01:22:57,452 --> 01:23:00,093
Speaker 2: But that is one of the arguments, right, that why

1739
01:23:00,213 --> 01:23:02,932
Speaker 2: we have not found life on other planets at this point?

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01:23:03,612 --> 01:23:08,013
Speaker 2: Am I correct in that thinking? Say again, there was

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01:23:08,053 --> 01:23:10,372
Speaker 2: one of the theories in this particular simulation that that

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01:23:10,532 --> 01:23:13,333
Speaker 2: why we haven't discovered life on any other planet yet

1743
01:23:14,253 --> 01:23:17,053
Speaker 2: is because we've already advanced to a situation we're in

1744
01:23:17,133 --> 01:23:20,053
Speaker 2: the simulation, so that that's controlling the narrative, and that

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01:23:20,293 --> 01:23:22,692
Speaker 2: is one of the theories behind why this is a

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01:23:22,893 --> 01:23:23,693
Speaker 2: high possibility.

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01:23:24,532 --> 01:23:27,452
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I can't quite get my head around in there.

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01:23:27,492 --> 01:23:29,372
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we don't have any bearing on it. Well,

1749
01:23:29,412 --> 01:23:31,372
Speaker 2: I thought that was part of this. What was the

1750
01:23:31,692 --> 01:23:34,732
Speaker 2: philosopher's name who first came up with this idea, neck Bostrom. Yeah,

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01:23:34,732 --> 01:23:36,732
Speaker 2: I thought that was one of the central tenets of

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01:23:36,772 --> 01:23:38,293
Speaker 2: his argument. But maybe I'm wrong there.

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01:23:38,293 --> 01:23:43,732
Speaker 3: Right, Maybe? So this is a great text. It would

1754
01:23:43,772 --> 01:23:45,372
Speaker 3: be good if you guys came up with new topics.

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01:23:45,412 --> 01:23:48,492
Speaker 3: You already talked about this once in twenty twenty nine

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01:23:48,532 --> 01:23:50,053
Speaker 3: and also in twenty thirty two.

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01:23:51,013 --> 01:23:53,692
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okayh very clever.

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01:23:54,293 --> 01:23:55,732
Speaker 3: So I love to speak there is what a load

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01:23:55,772 --> 01:23:59,932
Speaker 3: of shite. But Steve, why why is a load of shite?

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01:24:00,133 --> 01:24:02,013
Speaker 3: You've got to be better than that, Steve. If you

1761
01:24:02,293 --> 01:24:04,732
Speaker 3: really think that there's no chance that we live in

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01:24:04,732 --> 01:24:07,452
Speaker 3: a simulation, then come up with your argument against the idea. Yeah,

1763
01:24:07,973 --> 01:24:09,973
Speaker 3: or do you find a defensive for people to think that.

1764
01:24:10,093 --> 01:24:13,333
Speaker 3: Do you think that it's damaging for society for people

1765
01:24:13,452 --> 01:24:16,812
Speaker 3: to be so many people now, so many people it's

1766
01:24:16,853 --> 01:24:19,732
Speaker 3: blowing up to suggesting that we live in a simulation.

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01:24:20,013 --> 01:24:23,412
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, for example, has talks heavily about how he

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01:24:23,492 --> 01:24:25,372
Speaker 3: thinks we live in a simulation. You can see why

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01:24:25,452 --> 01:24:27,372
Speaker 3: Elon Musk thinks he's living in a simulation because he's

1770
01:24:27,372 --> 01:24:28,532
Speaker 3: the richest man in the world and gets to do

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01:24:28,612 --> 01:24:30,772
Speaker 3: whatever he wants. He was a big fan of space.

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01:24:30,853 --> 01:24:32,932
Speaker 3: He's probably going to send people to Mars. It would

1773
01:24:32,933 --> 01:24:35,412
Speaker 3: appear if you're Elon Musk, that you were living in

1774
01:24:35,452 --> 01:24:38,572
Speaker 3: a simulation, right, yeah, because it's life. What are the

1775
01:24:38,692 --> 01:24:41,372
Speaker 3: chances are that you were the richest person in the world.

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01:24:42,053 --> 01:24:44,692
Speaker 3: But do you think it's bad for people to spending

1777
01:24:44,732 --> 01:24:47,732
Speaker 3: their time thinking they're living in a simulation and somehow

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01:24:47,812 --> 01:24:51,452
Speaker 3: it takes away the stakes of their life, Because when

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01:24:51,532 --> 01:24:54,053
Speaker 3: I first started reading about this, I started telling my

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01:24:54,173 --> 01:24:55,372
Speaker 3: kids about it, and then I thought, I'm not going

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01:24:55,412 --> 01:24:57,372
Speaker 3: to tell them that that because I don't want them

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01:24:57,372 --> 01:24:59,052
Speaker 3: to spend their life thinking they live in a simulation.

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01:24:59,133 --> 01:25:01,173
Speaker 3: I want to think them they've got one shot to

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01:25:01,213 --> 01:25:04,732
Speaker 3: make things great and that life is very important. You've

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01:25:04,732 --> 01:25:06,213
Speaker 3: got four thousand weeks on this planet.

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01:25:06,253 --> 01:25:07,973
Speaker 2: Make it work, you know, Oh, eight one hundred and

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01:25:07,973 --> 01:25:10,812
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. Do you buy into this theory or

1788
01:25:10,853 --> 01:25:13,213
Speaker 2: have you got some questions love to hear from you?

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01:25:13,812 --> 01:25:16,333
Speaker 2: And I've got to say, just off the from your explanation,

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01:25:16,652 --> 01:25:18,652
Speaker 2: I wouldn't care if it was true that we are

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01:25:18,732 --> 01:25:21,572
Speaker 2: in a simulation. I don't think I would care one

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01:25:21,612 --> 01:25:24,733
Speaker 2: way or the other really, because my life is unfolded

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01:25:24,812 --> 01:25:28,492
Speaker 2: how potentially it was always designed to unfold. But I

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01:25:28,612 --> 01:25:31,213
Speaker 2: still feel like I'm making decisions.

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01:25:31,253 --> 01:25:34,492
Speaker 3: This Texas says Wayne asks, so who created the simulation

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01:25:34,532 --> 01:25:37,652
Speaker 3: if we live in simulation? Well, in simulation theory, as

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01:25:37,732 --> 01:25:43,093
Speaker 3: it's outlined by most physicists, is that we we made it.

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01:25:43,652 --> 01:25:47,012
Speaker 3: So we became sufficiently advanced at one point to create

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01:25:47,093 --> 01:25:50,412
Speaker 3: a simulation, and now we all in there, and now

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01:25:50,572 --> 01:25:53,293
Speaker 3: this one that we're currently in is one that's been

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01:25:53,333 --> 01:25:56,452
Speaker 3: created by humans and as in a computer.

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01:25:56,692 --> 01:26:00,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Is this a crazy

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01:26:00,093 --> 01:26:02,452
Speaker 2: idea or do you see some merit in it? Love

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01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:04,572
Speaker 2: to hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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01:26:04,612 --> 01:26:06,333
Speaker 2: The text are coming through thick adverst.

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01:26:06,532 --> 01:26:09,772
Speaker 3: There's some very small my people that don't like to

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01:26:10,293 --> 01:26:14,253
Speaker 3: expand their minds into wider things. Why would anyone listen

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01:26:14,253 --> 01:26:18,012
Speaker 3: to this rubbish? Wow, you sound like an NPC mate.

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01:26:18,652 --> 01:26:20,812
Speaker 3: You sound that text from a non playing character.

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01:26:21,013 --> 01:26:24,812
Speaker 2: It is fourteen past three, Very good afternoon to you.

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01:26:24,933 --> 01:26:28,613
Speaker 2: We are talking about a hypothesis called the simulation hypothesis.

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01:26:28,652 --> 01:26:30,333
Speaker 2: Now there's a lot of texts coming through and saying

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01:26:30,372 --> 01:26:34,572
Speaker 2: you guys are crazy and you've collectively lost your minds.

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01:26:34,612 --> 01:26:37,532
Speaker 2: But when we say the likes of Professor Bryan Cox,

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01:26:37,612 --> 01:26:40,933
Speaker 2: one of the most renowned physicists alive today, Neil de

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01:26:41,053 --> 01:26:43,652
Speaker 2: Grassy Tyson and Elon Musk they.

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01:26:44,173 --> 01:26:45,933
Speaker 3: Neil de Grassy Tyson, I thought it was Neil de

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01:26:45,973 --> 01:26:48,293
Speaker 3: grass Tyson. Why you ding the de Grassy?

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01:26:48,492 --> 01:26:50,333
Speaker 2: I thought it was the Grassy? Is it not Neil

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01:26:50,372 --> 01:26:52,772
Speaker 2: de Grassy? I could be wrong. Someone did text me

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01:26:52,853 --> 01:26:54,253
Speaker 2: through me and CuNi and.

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01:26:54,572 --> 01:26:57,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, man Cunian for someone from Manchester. Yeah, no, there

1823
01:26:57,853 --> 01:27:00,013
Speaker 3: is an imp Professor Brian Chrox about it. But our

1824
01:27:00,093 --> 01:27:02,652
Speaker 3: boss well came in and he was holding his temples

1825
01:27:02,732 --> 01:27:03,372
Speaker 3: at a headache.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:27:03,772 --> 01:27:06,532
Speaker 3: He was like, this is too complicated, it's hurting my brain.

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01:27:07,053 --> 01:27:11,053
Speaker 3: So I explained it a little bit. If you accept that,

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01:27:11,253 --> 01:27:15,093
Speaker 3: let's say, for example, a video game, a full immersion

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01:27:15,893 --> 01:27:20,892
Speaker 3: video game where you couldn't was indistinguishable from reality. Yes,

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01:27:20,973 --> 01:27:22,612
Speaker 3: so if you're in it, you don't know that it's

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01:27:22,692 --> 01:27:25,972
Speaker 3: not real. If you accept that that's possible that at once,

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01:27:26,093 --> 01:27:29,173
Speaker 3: some point in the future humans will well create that,

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01:27:29,853 --> 01:27:31,213
Speaker 3: then how would you know you're not in it? Now

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01:27:32,933 --> 01:27:35,293
Speaker 3: we've got a lot of calls on this stand welcome

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01:27:35,333 --> 01:27:38,572
Speaker 3: to the show. We've got full lines of people that

1837
01:27:39,452 --> 01:27:41,012
Speaker 3: people that want to go on the on the trip

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01:27:41,093 --> 01:27:41,372
Speaker 3: with us.

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01:27:42,812 --> 01:27:43,892
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll buy.

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01:27:46,692 --> 01:27:50,893
Speaker 8: What you're supposing. I don't believe there's a simulation. I

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01:27:50,933 --> 01:27:54,173
Speaker 8: think you're living in a reality. But what you're supposing

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01:27:54,532 --> 01:27:59,293
Speaker 8: is that there is a higher reality, which are also

1843
01:28:00,372 --> 01:28:05,333
Speaker 8: indicates it must be a higher intelligence and possibly more

1844
01:28:05,412 --> 01:28:09,652
Speaker 8: than were living in four dimensions. You're not. It also

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01:28:10,053 --> 01:28:14,612
Speaker 8: supposes that there are more than four dimensions. Outside of

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01:28:14,652 --> 01:28:18,053
Speaker 8: this universe, also the physical universe that we experience and

1847
01:28:18,173 --> 01:28:20,293
Speaker 8: that we live and move and have our being in.

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01:28:22,732 --> 01:28:26,572
Speaker 8: So I don't think it's a good I think I

1849
01:28:26,692 --> 01:28:28,972
Speaker 8: think there is a higher intelligence. We call them God.

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01:28:29,933 --> 01:28:33,253
Speaker 3: So you're saying, does not see So so if if

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01:28:33,293 --> 01:28:35,892
Speaker 3: you if you take the view that there's a god,

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01:28:36,532 --> 01:28:39,732
Speaker 3: would that as would he be running a simulation? Would

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01:28:39,772 --> 01:28:41,692
Speaker 3: he just be controlling reality.

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01:28:42,772 --> 01:28:42,973
Speaker 7: Or she?

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01:28:44,572 --> 01:28:48,612
Speaker 8: Well, I think a simulation is indicates something that's not

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01:28:48,853 --> 01:28:49,492
Speaker 8: not reality.

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01:28:50,293 --> 01:28:50,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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01:28:51,372 --> 01:28:56,212
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I would not describe I would not describe

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01:28:57,452 --> 01:29:00,973
Speaker 8: a higher dimension as the dimension that we live in

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01:29:01,372 --> 01:29:04,212
Speaker 8: as a simulation. I would call it this is a reality.

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01:29:04,293 --> 01:29:07,412
Speaker 8: You're living real lives, we're having real experiences.

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01:29:09,053 --> 01:29:15,093
Speaker 3: But stand you could be in a reality. And so say,

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01:29:15,133 --> 01:29:17,772
Speaker 3: for example, you know there's some video games that I've

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01:29:17,812 --> 01:29:20,692
Speaker 3: played before, like Uncharted, and in the video game, you

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01:29:20,853 --> 01:29:22,652
Speaker 3: sit down and you pick up a controller and you

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01:29:22,732 --> 01:29:25,012
Speaker 3: start playing a video game within the video video game,

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01:29:25,013 --> 01:29:28,213
Speaker 3: if you know what I'm saying, So it would all

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01:29:28,333 --> 01:29:31,173
Speaker 3: have to exist in reality in that some person would

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01:29:31,173 --> 01:29:33,492
Speaker 3: have had to create it. If you see what I'm saying.

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01:29:35,452 --> 01:29:39,852
Speaker 8: Well, again, I come back to my first My first

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01:29:39,933 --> 01:29:43,412
Speaker 8: point that I think there is a higher intelligence. Yeah,

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01:29:43,572 --> 01:29:46,572
Speaker 8: but I don't think we are a simulation. Okay, I

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01:29:46,652 --> 01:29:49,412
Speaker 8: think we're definitely very much in the reality, but there

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01:29:49,492 --> 01:29:50,372
Speaker 8: is a higher reality.

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01:29:50,812 --> 01:29:51,012
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:29:51,133 --> 01:29:52,572
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's an interesting your point you make

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01:29:52,612 --> 01:29:56,452
Speaker 3: about dimensions, because if you're as we are, three live

1878
01:29:56,492 --> 01:29:59,892
Speaker 3: in three dimensions, as we do, it would be very

1879
01:29:59,893 --> 01:30:03,733
Speaker 3: hard for us to even comprehend something operating in four dimensions.

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01:30:04,213 --> 01:30:07,053
Speaker 8: It's like, if we live, we're in four dimensions, height,

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01:30:07,173 --> 01:30:11,773
Speaker 8: with length, and time. I think are the four dimensions.

1882
01:30:11,893 --> 01:30:16,933
Speaker 8: But I think a lot of theoretical physicists postulate that

1883
01:30:17,053 --> 01:30:20,372
Speaker 8: there are more than the dimensions four dimensions that we're

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01:30:20,412 --> 01:30:26,173
Speaker 8: living in. So, like I said, I think I think

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01:30:26,253 --> 01:30:29,732
Speaker 8: we would describe that higher intelligence as God. I mean,

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01:30:30,133 --> 01:30:34,052
Speaker 8: many cultures and many people around the world do believe

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01:30:34,093 --> 01:30:39,173
Speaker 8: that there is a spiritual realm which we sometimes experience,

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01:30:39,333 --> 01:30:41,652
Speaker 8: but we find it very difficult to perceive.

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01:30:42,412 --> 01:30:42,612
Speaker 13: Yeah.

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01:30:42,652 --> 01:30:47,692
Speaker 3: But if you wouldn't necessarily for the simulation theory for

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01:30:47,973 --> 01:30:50,452
Speaker 3: it to be a higher intelligence, it could be made

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01:30:50,612 --> 01:30:55,852
Speaker 3: by thousands and thousands of engineers and humans over time.

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01:30:56,412 --> 01:30:58,572
Speaker 3: So when you play a video game, do you think

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01:30:58,652 --> 01:31:01,133
Speaker 3: that it's created by a higher intelligence than you.

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01:31:02,412 --> 01:31:09,372
Speaker 8: Well, no, it's not, you know, because because we are

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01:31:09,532 --> 01:31:13,612
Speaker 8: the maker of the game in which we participate. But

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01:31:16,372 --> 01:31:18,612
Speaker 8: I don't think that that equates to the to the

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01:31:18,692 --> 01:31:24,093
Speaker 8: world that we live in. Something made this world by

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01:31:24,133 --> 01:31:28,772
Speaker 8: personal belief, something some intelligence designer did make the Denn universe.

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01:31:31,492 --> 01:31:32,892
Speaker 7: We don't perceive him.

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01:31:34,333 --> 01:31:38,052
Speaker 8: With our natural senses, but I think we often see

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01:31:40,492 --> 01:31:44,892
Speaker 8: interactions of that higher dimension, that higher intelligence into our world.

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01:31:45,652 --> 01:31:50,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you could you could have stand so love

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01:31:50,853 --> 01:31:53,812
Speaker 3: it because that both things could be true. There could

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01:31:53,893 --> 01:31:56,772
Speaker 3: be a higher intelligence that's created the world, and then

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01:31:56,973 --> 01:31:58,892
Speaker 3: humans are living within the world, and then they get

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01:31:58,973 --> 01:32:01,412
Speaker 3: so advanced at making video games that they make a

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01:32:01,532 --> 01:32:05,612
Speaker 3: simulation that's indistinguishable from reality. And so within that world

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01:32:05,692 --> 01:32:08,452
Speaker 3: created by the higher intelligence, you've got some stew but

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01:32:08,612 --> 01:32:12,612
Speaker 3: humans who have created a situation that they've plugged into

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Speaker 3: a simulation.

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Speaker 2: Very true. Yeah, stand thank you very much for starting

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01:32:16,173 --> 01:32:20,133
Speaker 2: us off. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the simulation hypothesis.

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01:32:20,213 --> 01:32:22,372
Speaker 2: Do you think we could be living in the simulation

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01:32:22,532 --> 01:32:24,133
Speaker 2: or do you think it is science fiction?

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01:32:24,532 --> 01:32:26,532
Speaker 3: Or equally I eight hundred eighteen eighty do you think

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01:32:26,532 --> 01:32:30,812
Speaker 3: this is a stupid discussion and you think this kind

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01:32:30,812 --> 01:32:32,012
Speaker 3: of stuff is just a waste of time.

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01:32:32,173 --> 01:32:32,372
Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:32:32,572 --> 01:32:35,973
Speaker 3: Personally, I love a bit of outrageous philosophy, so I'm

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01:32:36,013 --> 01:32:36,692
Speaker 3: going to lean into it.

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01:32:36,772 --> 01:32:39,333
Speaker 2: This has got on a Monday afternoon, but I love.

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01:32:39,213 --> 01:32:41,293
Speaker 3: Your thoughts on it and look got full line. So

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01:32:41,853 --> 01:32:42,293
Speaker 3: keep trying.

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01:32:42,333 --> 01:32:42,492
Speaker 20: O E.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty if you want to

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01:32:43,933 --> 01:32:46,333
Speaker 3: get through and get your point of view on this topic,

1928
01:32:46,412 --> 01:32:47,452
Speaker 3: even if it's just a poopo.

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01:32:47,933 --> 01:32:48,293
Speaker 2: Love this.

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Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

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01:32:56,853 --> 01:32:58,452
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk SB.

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Speaker 3: Boy boy, I don't know if we've ever had as

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01:33:00,532 --> 01:33:03,412
Speaker 3: much feedback on a topic as the deep question, how

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01:33:03,412 --> 01:33:08,412
Speaker 3: are we living in a simulation as many physicists are suggesting.

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Speaker 2: Hundreds and hundreds of tigs And I've got to say

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01:33:10,692 --> 01:33:13,012
Speaker 2: not too many people knocking back this idea. A lot

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01:33:13,173 --> 01:33:15,612
Speaker 2: of opinion on whether we are living in that simulation,

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01:33:15,772 --> 01:33:17,533
Speaker 2: but people seem to be loving this conversation.

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01:33:18,173 --> 01:33:20,133
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Steve, and your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 22: Yeah sorry.

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01:33:25,333 --> 01:33:33,253
Speaker 23: Renee des Cartes considered a variation of this question in

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01:33:33,412 --> 01:33:38,293
Speaker 23: his Thoughts on Identity, and he said, even if I

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01:33:38,572 --> 01:33:42,333
Speaker 23: am living in a simulation, even if I am a

1944
01:33:42,452 --> 01:33:47,093
Speaker 23: brain in a jar being fed false information, I am

1945
01:33:47,253 --> 01:33:51,692
Speaker 23: still me. I think therefore I am so in that sense.

1946
01:33:52,572 --> 01:33:54,852
Speaker 23: I don't think it really matters whether or not we

1947
01:33:55,053 --> 01:33:58,333
Speaker 23: are living in a simulation. All we can do is

1948
01:33:58,492 --> 01:34:00,452
Speaker 23: live our lives as best we can.

1949
01:34:01,532 --> 01:34:05,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what Professor Brian Cox said to me when

1950
01:34:05,572 --> 01:34:10,813
Speaker 3: I was discussing this with him, the great British physicist

1951
01:34:11,013 --> 01:34:14,372
Speaker 3: particle physicists. He went on and said, yeah, it seems possible,

1952
01:34:14,412 --> 01:34:16,412
Speaker 3: but what difference would it make? But for me it

1953
01:34:16,412 --> 01:34:19,052
Speaker 3: would make a difference because and I think that's interesting

1954
01:34:19,213 --> 01:34:21,293
Speaker 3: with him because he's very interested in astrophysics.

1955
01:34:21,372 --> 01:34:21,532
Speaker 2: Right.

1956
01:34:21,612 --> 01:34:24,213
Speaker 3: So for you, Stephen, if you are just a brain

1957
01:34:24,293 --> 01:34:27,053
Speaker 3: in the jar and the the instincts have been put in,

1958
01:34:27,293 --> 01:34:29,173
Speaker 3: and you think therefore you are, you have to you

1959
01:34:29,253 --> 01:34:32,133
Speaker 3: have to have consciousness, so you think for where you are,

1960
01:34:32,253 --> 01:34:35,532
Speaker 3: where you aren't, you know, that's harder to define, but

1961
01:34:35,612 --> 01:34:38,732
Speaker 3: you have to exist because you're thinking absolutely, get that,

1962
01:34:39,053 --> 01:34:41,333
Speaker 3: But wouldn't you prefer that the stars were real when

1963
01:34:41,333 --> 01:34:43,812
Speaker 3: you're looking out at the stars and they were actual objects,

1964
01:34:44,013 --> 01:34:46,972
Speaker 3: and that the people that you love actually existed as

1965
01:34:47,013 --> 01:34:50,612
Speaker 3: opposed to non playing characters or in a video game.

1966
01:34:52,093 --> 01:34:55,612
Speaker 16: Well, if they feel real doesn't make a lot of difference.

1967
01:34:55,652 --> 01:35:01,093
Speaker 16: I mean, I can touch this blanket. Is it simulated?

1968
01:35:01,213 --> 01:35:01,772
Speaker 3: Is it the real?

1969
01:35:02,772 --> 01:35:03,412
Speaker 10: Do it matter?

1970
01:35:04,492 --> 01:35:06,852
Speaker 2: I tend to agree, Stephen. I think if it feels real,

1971
01:35:06,973 --> 01:35:08,852
Speaker 2: and you know, going back to the a few people

1972
01:35:09,173 --> 01:35:11,213
Speaker 2: teaching about the matrix, I'll just take the blue belt

1973
01:35:11,213 --> 01:35:12,973
Speaker 2: and stay in the matrix if it feels real. And

1974
01:35:13,173 --> 01:35:13,812
Speaker 2: what's the problem.

1975
01:35:13,933 --> 01:35:18,253
Speaker 3: I want it to be real, Stephen. I want everything

1976
01:35:18,333 --> 01:35:19,852
Speaker 3: to be real. I want my kids to be real.

1977
01:35:19,893 --> 01:35:22,732
Speaker 3: Because my son said this thing to me, and this

1978
01:35:22,853 --> 01:35:25,333
Speaker 3: is gonna this is going to annoy our management even more.

1979
01:35:25,492 --> 01:35:27,452
Speaker 3: But my son said to me, but what if you

1980
01:35:28,213 --> 01:35:31,532
Speaker 3: simulation just started one second ago and no one exists

1981
01:35:32,612 --> 01:35:34,293
Speaker 3: that you spent all your time with that, you know,

1982
01:35:34,452 --> 01:35:36,612
Speaker 3: my lovely mother that passed away a few years ago.

1983
01:35:36,893 --> 01:35:40,772
Speaker 23: If the similation may the world may or may not

1984
01:35:41,213 --> 01:35:43,573
Speaker 23: be real, It may or may not be a simulation,

1985
01:35:43,772 --> 01:35:46,333
Speaker 23: but you certainly are real.

1986
01:35:46,452 --> 01:35:47,293
Speaker 11: Yeah. I like that.

1987
01:35:47,692 --> 01:35:49,812
Speaker 3: The less you can hold onto that, Stephen, I think

1988
01:35:49,893 --> 01:35:53,013
Speaker 3: therefore I am good on your descartes. I appreciate that.

1989
01:35:53,293 --> 01:35:55,172
Speaker 3: Ye thank you for your call, Stephen.

1990
01:35:55,973 --> 01:35:58,532
Speaker 2: Plenty of he's coming through on nine two nine two.

1991
01:35:58,692 --> 01:36:00,372
Speaker 2: But We're backed up with calls as well, but love

1992
01:36:00,412 --> 01:36:01,772
Speaker 2: to hear from you. Oh eight one hundred and eighty

1993
01:36:01,893 --> 01:36:06,213
Speaker 2: ten eighty Adam, Hi, guys, it feels down damn real

1994
01:36:06,293 --> 01:36:08,772
Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, I agree, I agree, Hi guys.

1995
01:36:08,853 --> 01:36:11,372
Speaker 3: Interesting topic. What would the difference be between living in

1996
01:36:11,412 --> 01:36:13,932
Speaker 3: a simulation and living a world and universe created by God?

1997
01:36:14,213 --> 01:36:17,492
Speaker 3: How could you tell the two apart? She's David, Well, yeah,

1998
01:36:17,853 --> 01:36:20,013
Speaker 3: you might not be. And that's your point, Tyler, What

1999
01:36:20,013 --> 01:36:20,452
Speaker 3: does it matter?

2000
01:36:20,692 --> 01:36:22,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it feels real.

2001
01:36:22,133 --> 01:36:23,293
Speaker 3: If it feels real, it is real.

2002
01:36:23,372 --> 01:36:26,253
Speaker 2: And I think I've got free will, so yeah. Oh

2003
01:36:26,293 --> 01:36:29,092
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Have I lost my chops?

2004
01:36:29,213 --> 01:36:31,612
Speaker 2: Or do you believe in this theory? It is being

2005
01:36:31,652 --> 01:36:35,932
Speaker 2: on her pass three jus talks.

2006
01:36:35,973 --> 01:36:39,652
Speaker 15: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

2007
01:36:39,732 --> 01:36:42,692
Speaker 15: with a blue bubble. Work Safe inspectors are at a

2008
01:36:42,812 --> 01:36:46,652
Speaker 15: house in Auckland's Ramawater where a person's died after a

2009
01:36:46,732 --> 01:36:50,492
Speaker 15: concrete truck tipped against the house this morning. The owner

2010
01:36:50,532 --> 01:36:53,452
Speaker 15: has told our newsroom the house has been renovated and

2011
01:36:53,692 --> 01:36:57,893
Speaker 15: was empty at the time. Revelations the Finance Minister was

2012
01:36:57,973 --> 01:37:01,813
Speaker 15: the prime mover in restricting numbers of media and commentators

2013
01:37:02,173 --> 01:37:05,973
Speaker 15: allowed it May and your budget reveal. The Office of

2014
01:37:06,013 --> 01:37:08,932
Speaker 15: the Orditor General has announced it'll take a close look

2015
01:37:08,973 --> 01:37:12,333
Speaker 15: into the effectiveness of policing measures that aim to divert

2016
01:37:12,452 --> 01:37:17,412
Speaker 15: young offenders from criminality. Latest results show fifty seven percent

2017
01:37:17,492 --> 01:37:21,812
Speaker 15: of high school students past the NCEEA math standard across

2018
01:37:21,973 --> 01:37:25,053
Speaker 15: all year levels. That's up from forty five percent in

2019
01:37:25,173 --> 01:37:29,133
Speaker 15: May last year, and those passing reading standards arose from

2020
01:37:29,213 --> 01:37:33,612
Speaker 15: fifty eight percent to sixty one Lowerhartz Riverbank Market is

2021
01:37:33,732 --> 01:37:37,612
Speaker 15: relocating to dal Square next year, shutting up shop during

2022
01:37:37,772 --> 01:37:41,333
Speaker 15: major work to improve the stop banks. Who would lead

2023
01:37:41,412 --> 01:37:45,612
Speaker 15: the country if Chris Luxon couldn't see Audrey Young's full

2024
01:37:45,692 --> 01:37:48,772
Speaker 15: column at Encid Herald Premium. Thank mail to matt Ethan

2025
01:37:48,812 --> 01:37:49,452
Speaker 15: Tyner Adams.

2026
01:37:49,612 --> 01:37:51,173
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, ray Lan. And we're having a

2027
01:37:51,213 --> 01:37:55,133
Speaker 2: fascinating discussion about this idea called the simulation hypothesis. It

2028
01:37:55,253 --> 01:37:58,572
Speaker 2: has been discussed at length around the world, particularly by

2029
01:37:58,772 --> 01:38:01,853
Speaker 2: very renowned physicist, a man that you've spoken to before.

2030
01:38:02,492 --> 01:38:07,412
Speaker 3: Brian Cot Professor Brian Cox. Yeah, and look, I postulated

2031
01:38:07,452 --> 01:38:10,812
Speaker 3: this this. I discussed this this weekend because with my kids,

2032
01:38:10,853 --> 01:38:13,053
Speaker 3: because we've been watching Jaws. Then we went to the

2033
01:38:13,093 --> 01:38:16,013
Speaker 3: Superman movie, and then a trailer for Jaws came up

2034
01:38:16,053 --> 01:38:18,053
Speaker 3: on the screen, a fifty year old movie, and I said,

2035
01:38:18,333 --> 01:38:20,372
Speaker 3: this feels like this world has just sorted out for me.

2036
01:38:20,452 --> 01:38:23,452
Speaker 3: Too many coincidences happening. It's too smooth a path. My

2037
01:38:23,532 --> 01:38:25,372
Speaker 3: life is too good. I feel like I might be

2038
01:38:26,013 --> 01:38:28,372
Speaker 3: chosen a really good time in history to live. It's

2039
01:38:28,372 --> 01:38:30,412
Speaker 3: the best time in history ever to live there. True,

2040
01:38:30,532 --> 01:38:33,692
Speaker 3: there's no plague that we're currently not in any wars

2041
01:38:33,933 --> 01:38:36,572
Speaker 3: living in New Zealand. Do you think do you ever think, Wow,

2042
01:38:36,812 --> 01:38:39,572
Speaker 3: I have got it so good. I've got it so good.

2043
01:38:39,652 --> 01:38:42,452
Speaker 3: There must there's something up. There's something fishing. And I

2044
01:38:42,492 --> 01:38:44,652
Speaker 3: think that's why Elon Musk thinks he lives in a simulation,

2045
01:38:44,692 --> 01:38:46,412
Speaker 3: because he's backed it up. There's a one on one

2046
01:38:46,452 --> 01:38:49,253
Speaker 3: billion chance that we're not. Because if you're really Elon Musk,

2047
01:38:49,293 --> 01:38:51,772
Speaker 3: as I said before, you're the richest man in the world.

2048
01:38:51,812 --> 01:38:53,253
Speaker 3: You can do whatever you want. You probably do think

2049
01:38:53,772 --> 01:38:56,093
Speaker 3: his life. Yeah, but I mean, this is the situation here,

2050
01:38:56,133 --> 01:38:57,012
Speaker 3: isn't it. From the matrix?

2051
01:38:58,093 --> 01:39:01,412
Speaker 24: This is your last chance after this, there is no

2052
01:39:01,572 --> 01:39:05,892
Speaker 24: turning back. You take the blue pill. The story ends.

2053
01:39:06,853 --> 01:39:08,852
Speaker 24: You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you

2054
01:39:08,933 --> 01:39:12,253
Speaker 24: want to play. You take the red pill, you stay

2055
01:39:12,253 --> 01:39:16,133
Speaker 24: in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit

2056
01:39:16,213 --> 01:39:16,772
Speaker 24: hole goes.

2057
01:39:18,372 --> 01:39:18,972
Speaker 2: So what do you want?

2058
01:39:19,013 --> 01:39:21,692
Speaker 3: The blue pool or the Red pool? Gareth, Welcome to

2059
01:39:21,772 --> 01:39:22,333
Speaker 3: the show.

2060
01:39:23,053 --> 01:39:24,372
Speaker 12: Matt Tyler afternoon.

2061
01:39:24,492 --> 01:39:26,452
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, what's your thoughts?

2062
01:39:27,333 --> 01:39:30,972
Speaker 12: That's such a deep subject something actually I'm really interested

2063
01:39:31,053 --> 01:39:36,612
Speaker 12: in artist, So I actually asked AI dropped particularly this

2064
01:39:38,213 --> 01:39:42,732
Speaker 12: exact question a few weeks ago, and after reading what

2065
01:39:42,853 --> 01:39:45,333
Speaker 12: I came up with, I came to the conclusion is

2066
01:39:45,412 --> 01:39:46,492
Speaker 12: definitely real.

2067
01:39:47,412 --> 01:39:49,893
Speaker 21: Because there's actually a lot of guys that did some

2068
01:39:50,013 --> 01:39:54,093
Speaker 21: research from us, and they monitored people's brain waves and

2069
01:39:54,213 --> 01:39:57,093
Speaker 21: they they said, if this is a shared consciousness or

2070
01:39:57,293 --> 01:40:01,973
Speaker 21: not real, we would have seen similar ranges to reactions

2071
01:40:02,013 --> 01:40:05,293
Speaker 21: to things, or it'd be some connection on a conscious level,

2072
01:40:05,412 --> 01:40:06,612
Speaker 21: and they couldn't find anything.

2073
01:40:07,572 --> 01:40:07,772
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2074
01:40:07,772 --> 01:40:10,452
Speaker 3: I've also seen experiments that people have tried to do

2075
01:40:11,093 --> 01:40:15,493
Speaker 3: and they've gone deep into you know, sub atomic particles

2076
01:40:15,692 --> 01:40:19,492
Speaker 3: and decided that the level of rendering needed to create this,

2077
01:40:19,692 --> 01:40:23,133
Speaker 3: if it wasn't real, would be beyond all the energy

2078
01:40:23,173 --> 01:40:24,652
Speaker 3: in the universe. If you see what I'm saying.

2079
01:40:24,732 --> 01:40:27,333
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean if you just

2080
01:40:27,412 --> 01:40:29,452
Speaker 21: look at creation, I mean you just look at how

2081
01:40:30,333 --> 01:40:33,253
Speaker 21: amazing it is, like the things that had to be right,

2082
01:40:33,492 --> 01:40:36,333
Speaker 21: the design, building blocks of life.

2083
01:40:36,412 --> 01:40:36,572
Speaker 13: You know.

2084
01:40:36,973 --> 01:40:39,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, people get excited about George Lucas and his world

2085
01:40:39,772 --> 01:40:42,772
Speaker 3: building and Star Wars imagined, the world building, actually build

2086
01:40:42,812 --> 01:40:44,412
Speaker 3: this world and all its variation.

2087
01:40:45,253 --> 01:40:48,652
Speaker 12: Yeah, I just think it's pretty real. But definitely other

2088
01:40:48,732 --> 01:40:49,732
Speaker 12: dimensions around us.

2089
01:40:50,133 --> 01:40:50,572
Speaker 7: For sure.

2090
01:40:51,732 --> 01:40:54,893
Speaker 2: Would you care, Gareth if you're in a in a simulation.

2091
01:40:56,253 --> 01:40:58,133
Speaker 12: Not really, because we'd never know.

2092
01:40:59,772 --> 01:41:00,812
Speaker 21: Yeah, you know, we never know.

2093
01:41:00,973 --> 01:41:04,652
Speaker 12: And also getting back to what Tyler was saying, the

2094
01:41:04,772 --> 01:41:08,052
Speaker 12: Fermi paradox, where's everybody so so big? There's so many stars,

2095
01:41:08,452 --> 01:41:10,013
Speaker 12: you know, he's just think of most of it is

2096
01:41:10,053 --> 01:41:10,333
Speaker 12: out there.

2097
01:41:10,372 --> 01:41:11,092
Speaker 14: Where's everybody?

2098
01:41:11,293 --> 01:41:14,772
Speaker 21: Yeah, that is the point it is, Ma, It is

2099
01:41:15,133 --> 01:41:18,532
Speaker 21: far to get to, Like we've got stars that are

2100
01:41:19,093 --> 01:41:21,333
Speaker 21: righteous and a doorstep for us three hundred and between

2101
01:41:21,412 --> 01:41:22,293
Speaker 21: three like ars.

2102
01:41:22,213 --> 01:41:25,972
Speaker 12: Away, Yeah, coming towards us before you were even born.

2103
01:41:26,173 --> 01:41:26,372
Speaker 18: You know.

2104
01:41:27,572 --> 01:41:30,053
Speaker 2: I didn't explain that very well before, Gareth, but you're right.

2105
01:41:30,133 --> 01:41:32,053
Speaker 2: So the Fermi paradox, and I just looked it up.

2106
01:41:32,173 --> 01:41:37,412
Speaker 2: Was this idea that if it's highly likely or statistically

2107
01:41:37,532 --> 01:41:41,052
Speaker 2: probable that intelligent life us somewhere. Why haven't we found

2108
01:41:41,093 --> 01:41:43,372
Speaker 2: it yet? And part of that was because one of

2109
01:41:43,412 --> 01:41:45,772
Speaker 2: the theories was that we live in a simulation, that

2110
01:41:46,013 --> 01:41:47,573
Speaker 2: those parameters are controlled.

2111
01:41:47,772 --> 01:41:50,012
Speaker 3: If we live in a simulation, then why would anyone

2112
01:41:50,053 --> 01:41:52,892
Speaker 3: choose to be in a simulation where there aren't aliens? Well,

2113
01:41:52,973 --> 01:41:55,172
Speaker 3: that sounds like that sounds like choosing the boring simulation

2114
01:41:55,253 --> 01:41:56,812
Speaker 3: if you were if you're in the shop choosing the

2115
01:41:56,812 --> 01:41:58,532
Speaker 3: simulation you're going to, You're going to choose the one

2116
01:41:58,532 --> 01:42:00,092
Speaker 3: where you go, we're all alone in the universe.

2117
01:42:00,173 --> 01:42:02,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want the space travel one six is put.

2118
01:42:02,412 --> 01:42:05,532
Speaker 3: Down the hashpag hashpipe lads. Life is life. There is

2119
01:42:05,572 --> 01:42:10,052
Speaker 3: no God or simulation. Hi, Matt and Tyler. Amazing topic.

2120
01:42:10,213 --> 01:42:12,532
Speaker 3: If you were living in a simulation, then the dude

2121
01:42:12,532 --> 01:42:15,692
Speaker 3: who created the Donnie J. Trump character, it is definitely

2122
01:42:15,853 --> 01:42:17,692
Speaker 3: very much higher power love it.

2123
01:42:18,253 --> 01:42:20,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, there must be some great writers in the simulation

2124
01:42:20,652 --> 01:42:22,812
Speaker 2: of it is true. I one hundred and eighty ten

2125
01:42:22,853 --> 01:42:25,253
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call. We're taking more of

2126
01:42:25,333 --> 01:42:28,133
Speaker 2: your calls shortly, just quickly, though, because while you played

2127
01:42:28,133 --> 01:42:30,892
Speaker 2: that fantastic Matrix clip and watch pill would you take

2128
01:42:31,293 --> 01:42:33,652
Speaker 2: and again I think I'll just take the blue pill

2129
01:42:33,893 --> 01:42:36,932
Speaker 2: and that quote from the villain in that movie Cipher,

2130
01:42:36,933 --> 01:42:38,652
Speaker 2: and I'll just read it out when he's eating that steak.

2131
01:42:39,372 --> 01:42:41,412
Speaker 2: You know, I know the steak doesn't exist. I know

2132
01:42:41,532 --> 01:42:43,052
Speaker 2: that when I put it in my mouth, the matrix

2133
01:42:43,133 --> 01:42:45,492
Speaker 2: is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious.

2134
01:42:45,532 --> 01:42:48,612
Speaker 2: After nine years. You know what, I realize ignorance is bliss,

2135
01:42:49,093 --> 01:42:50,852
Speaker 2: and I think ignorance would be bliss.

2136
01:42:51,013 --> 01:42:51,492
Speaker 13: No, I.

2137
01:42:53,013 --> 01:42:54,652
Speaker 3: Want to know. I want to know that people are real.

2138
01:42:54,692 --> 01:42:56,612
Speaker 3: I want to know that my kids are real. I

2139
01:42:56,692 --> 01:42:58,452
Speaker 3: want to know that their lives are real, and that

2140
01:42:58,772 --> 01:43:01,492
Speaker 3: our relationship is real and it's not just created by

2141
01:43:01,532 --> 01:43:03,173
Speaker 3: something else. I want to know, as I was saying

2142
01:43:03,213 --> 01:43:05,333
Speaker 3: before my lovely mum that died a few years ago,

2143
01:43:05,532 --> 01:43:07,812
Speaker 3: I want to know that her life was real and

2144
01:43:07,933 --> 01:43:10,572
Speaker 3: my men of her are real. I want it to

2145
01:43:10,692 --> 01:43:13,852
Speaker 3: all be real and true. And I hate the idea

2146
01:43:13,893 --> 01:43:16,492
Speaker 3: of the simulation theory. I hate the idea that humans

2147
01:43:16,572 --> 01:43:19,333
Speaker 3: got so advanced that maybe there's an apocalypse or whatever,

2148
01:43:19,452 --> 01:43:21,812
Speaker 3: and we just loaded everything into a computer and now.

2149
01:43:21,732 --> 01:43:23,772
Speaker 2: We live at the bottom of a hard drive.

2150
01:43:24,612 --> 01:43:27,013
Speaker 3: It's a compelling argument, and I don't like that when

2151
01:43:27,053 --> 01:43:30,253
Speaker 3: I interviewed Professor Brian Cox, a reputable physicist.

2152
01:43:30,333 --> 01:43:31,612
Speaker 2: He said that there was very.

2153
01:43:31,612 --> 01:43:32,612
Speaker 3: Very likely it was true.

2154
01:43:32,973 --> 01:43:35,013
Speaker 2: I don't like that. I like it at all. I

2155
01:43:35,093 --> 01:43:35,972
Speaker 2: want my kids to be real.

2156
01:43:35,973 --> 01:43:38,652
Speaker 3: I'm going to my son's birthday dinner, yeah, after this,

2157
01:43:39,372 --> 01:43:41,612
Speaker 3: to give them these presents that I've been wrapping sitting

2158
01:43:41,692 --> 01:43:43,412
Speaker 3: here where we're well doing this show. I've been wrapping

2159
01:43:43,452 --> 01:43:46,932
Speaker 3: these presents. Happens to much to Tyler chagrin.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you were very happy doing that.

2161
01:43:49,013 --> 01:43:50,812
Speaker 3: I don't want to be giving them to a simulated son.

2162
01:43:50,973 --> 01:43:52,692
Speaker 3: I want to be giving them real presents to a

2163
01:43:52,772 --> 01:43:53,213
Speaker 3: real son.

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01:43:53,412 --> 01:43:56,013
Speaker 2: Yep an argument one hundred and eighty ten eighty Do

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Speaker 2: you agree with Matt or is ignorance bless? It's twenty

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01:43:58,933 --> 01:43:59,572
Speaker 2: one to four.

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01:44:00,812 --> 01:44:03,173
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

2168
01:44:03,253 --> 01:44:06,732
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

2169
01:44:06,853 --> 01:44:09,852
Speaker 1: Talks before Boys.

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Speaker 3: If I live in a simulation, then I've been ripped

2171
01:44:11,612 --> 01:44:13,333
Speaker 3: off and I want my money back. Hits from Phil.

2172
01:44:13,732 --> 01:44:16,013
Speaker 3: I think the biggest fear is what happens when we die.

2173
01:44:16,173 --> 01:44:18,532
Speaker 3: Big differences if we're in a simulation, because that way

2174
01:44:18,612 --> 01:44:21,092
Speaker 3: we know it's not lights out when we push up daisies.

2175
01:44:21,532 --> 01:44:25,652
Speaker 3: I mean, that's an interesting point that if as the

2176
01:44:25,732 --> 01:44:28,532
Speaker 3: Internet is absolutely packed with people talking about simulation theory,

2177
01:44:28,572 --> 01:44:31,692
Speaker 3: that might be a symbol of the times where people

2178
01:44:31,692 --> 01:44:34,012
Speaker 3: are looking for meaning, because because a lot of people,

2179
01:44:34,213 --> 01:44:37,053
Speaker 3: religion has rescinded in a lot of people's lives. So

2180
01:44:37,133 --> 01:44:40,213
Speaker 3: people are looking for these this meaning and this explanation

2181
01:44:40,333 --> 01:44:43,053
Speaker 3: that to that used to be handed to you in

2182
01:44:43,093 --> 01:44:43,492
Speaker 3: the Bible.

2183
01:44:43,572 --> 01:44:45,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, there'd be a lot of comfort and thinking this

2184
01:44:45,572 --> 01:44:47,333
Speaker 2: is a simulation and you might have another go.

2185
01:44:47,612 --> 01:44:49,933
Speaker 3: And a lot of that answer was in terms of

2186
01:44:50,093 --> 01:44:52,532
Speaker 3: the afterlife. So a lot of the reason why people

2187
01:44:53,053 --> 01:44:56,133
Speaker 3: might be postulating simulation theory is that we're living in

2188
01:44:56,173 --> 01:44:59,612
Speaker 3: a simulation is because at one point you just wake

2189
01:44:59,732 --> 01:45:02,333
Speaker 3: up and you're like, oh, okay, I'm still alive, and

2190
01:45:02,412 --> 01:45:03,892
Speaker 3: then I'm going to another simulation.

2191
01:45:04,053 --> 01:45:06,293
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

2192
01:45:06,412 --> 01:45:06,972
Speaker 2: number to call.

2193
01:45:07,253 --> 01:45:10,093
Speaker 3: Don welcome to the show. Oh okay, thanks.

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01:45:10,412 --> 01:45:13,812
Speaker 22: Well, since you did mention the Bible, I've been watching

2195
01:45:13,893 --> 01:45:16,933
Speaker 22: this thing. I would use the word scenario, but I

2196
01:45:17,053 --> 01:45:20,892
Speaker 22: think that because theologians others haven't been reading its original language,

2197
01:45:20,933 --> 01:45:24,732
Speaker 22: they've overlooked some clues and codes. I think actually the

2198
01:45:24,812 --> 01:45:28,412
Speaker 22: outline is there. The operator of the simulations left us

2199
01:45:28,452 --> 01:45:30,972
Speaker 22: with an outline so we can study its past, present,

2200
01:45:31,093 --> 01:45:41,652
Speaker 22: and future by reading it and taking all scientific cosmological, physical, physics, chemistry, archaeology, history.

2201
01:45:42,293 --> 01:45:44,812
Speaker 22: Funnel it through the outline, and you can explain a

2202
01:45:44,812 --> 01:45:47,492
Speaker 22: whole lot of stuff, not just about the past, about

2203
01:45:47,532 --> 01:45:49,492
Speaker 22: the present and the near future.

2204
01:45:49,853 --> 01:45:51,053
Speaker 2: So where is where is? Where are?

2205
01:45:51,173 --> 01:45:52,572
Speaker 3: What are these writings you're talking about?

2206
01:45:53,333 --> 01:45:56,173
Speaker 22: Well, you mentioned the Bible. It's all written down there.

2207
01:45:56,213 --> 01:46:01,412
Speaker 22: That is the outline provided by the scenario author author.

2208
01:46:01,532 --> 01:46:03,572
Speaker 3: Do you think we're all living in a simulation created

2209
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Speaker 3: by God?

2210
01:46:05,692 --> 01:46:07,852
Speaker 22: Well he set it up, of course. It tells you

2211
01:46:08,372 --> 01:46:12,133
Speaker 22: can want the original language bearer sheet bar. In the beginning,

2212
01:46:12,213 --> 01:46:16,533
Speaker 22: God created heaven, Earth out of nothing. The the physicists

2213
01:46:16,572 --> 01:46:19,213
Speaker 22: are saying that the early states of the universe, it

2214
01:46:19,333 --> 01:46:23,173
Speaker 22: was antimatter and matter. Nothing was divided. The matter and antimatter.

2215
01:46:23,812 --> 01:46:27,293
Speaker 22: Matter is a hydrogen atom with a proton which is positive,

2216
01:46:27,333 --> 01:46:30,452
Speaker 22: electron which is negative. An anti matters where the protons

2217
01:46:30,492 --> 01:46:33,812
Speaker 22: negatively electrons positive. That's how they're building all this sort

2218
01:46:33,812 --> 01:46:34,133
Speaker 22: of stuff.

2219
01:46:34,253 --> 01:46:38,852
Speaker 3: And when you jump out of the simulation, is that

2220
01:46:39,013 --> 01:46:40,812
Speaker 3: going through the pearly gates and you're entering.

2221
01:46:41,333 --> 01:46:45,093
Speaker 22: Well, well, the point is here, depending on whether you

2222
01:46:45,293 --> 01:46:49,652
Speaker 22: accept the offer in the simulation, Yeah, you end up

2223
01:46:49,692 --> 01:46:50,692
Speaker 22: in one place or the other.

2224
01:46:51,853 --> 01:46:53,972
Speaker 3: The offer to become heavenly as it were.

2225
01:46:54,133 --> 01:46:56,692
Speaker 22: So you're well, no, no, no, no, no, doesn't say that.

2226
01:46:56,853 --> 01:47:01,652
Speaker 22: It actually says that everybody will retain everybody gets a

2227
01:47:01,692 --> 01:47:04,412
Speaker 22: new body for one place or the other.

2228
01:47:05,053 --> 01:47:05,253
Speaker 20: Yeah.

2229
01:47:08,452 --> 01:47:13,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to accept that theory, then you have

2230
01:47:13,333 --> 01:47:16,372
Speaker 2: to believe in that religion to make it to that step.

2231
01:47:16,452 --> 01:47:17,213
Speaker 2: Don't you to get.

2232
01:47:18,612 --> 01:47:23,253
Speaker 22: Religion. It's not a religion, it's information and the outline

2233
01:47:23,732 --> 01:47:26,612
Speaker 22: text of the operator it's information there. You just have

2234
01:47:26,732 --> 01:47:27,412
Speaker 22: to read it properly.

2235
01:47:27,772 --> 01:47:30,333
Speaker 3: But if I guess, what I'm saying is the C. S.

2236
01:47:30,452 --> 01:47:34,253
Speaker 3: Lewis idea of that. In the book Mere Christianity, he

2237
01:47:34,372 --> 01:47:39,572
Speaker 3: says that the idea of being a Christian is that

2238
01:47:39,692 --> 01:47:43,012
Speaker 3: you become heavenly, so you become what you were meant

2239
01:47:43,093 --> 01:47:45,293
Speaker 3: to be in line with the universe, and as a result,

2240
01:47:45,372 --> 01:47:46,893
Speaker 3: you're in a position to ender heaven, if you know

2241
01:47:46,933 --> 01:47:49,572
Speaker 3: what I mean, which is kind of like playing the game.

2242
01:47:50,173 --> 01:47:53,732
Speaker 22: But what he says there. Read the series beginning with

2243
01:47:53,812 --> 01:47:57,333
Speaker 22: the magician's nephew line the witch and a wardrobe voyage

2244
01:47:57,333 --> 01:48:00,333
Speaker 22: of the drawn treader, and that was his his attempt

2245
01:48:00,372 --> 01:48:01,812
Speaker 22: as an allegree of the outline.

2246
01:48:01,973 --> 01:48:03,452
Speaker 3: Well, so are all there?

2247
01:48:03,532 --> 01:48:04,852
Speaker 2: According to don there you go.

2248
01:48:05,173 --> 01:48:09,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, deep stuff. We asked the deep, Dawn brought us,

2249
01:48:10,093 --> 01:48:14,012
Speaker 3: brought us deep Andrew, welcome the show, Inury, welkom the show.

2250
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Speaker 3: We're in a simulation. I'm repeating, we're in a simulation.

2251
01:48:20,412 --> 01:48:24,372
Speaker 3: Simulation that is.

2252
01:48:24,492 --> 01:48:27,732
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no more evidence needed. This is the matrix.

2253
01:48:27,772 --> 01:48:29,652
Speaker 2: I mean, what the hell happened there? There was a

2254
01:48:29,772 --> 01:48:32,492
Speaker 2: mess of glitch, wasn't that? I mean, that's tasting us.

2255
01:48:33,173 --> 01:48:36,293
Speaker 3: All these people that are texting you say that it's

2256
01:48:36,333 --> 01:48:39,132
Speaker 3: a possibility, but where's the evidence.

2257
01:48:40,532 --> 01:48:42,692
Speaker 2: They are watching right now and say, hey, we're just

2258
01:48:43,053 --> 01:48:45,973
Speaker 2: we're just playing. We prank on them. Brendan, welcome to

2259
01:48:46,093 --> 01:48:46,452
Speaker 2: the show.

2260
01:48:47,772 --> 01:48:50,732
Speaker 7: Hey, hello, it's great to be on the show. Thanks

2261
01:48:50,812 --> 01:48:54,412
Speaker 7: very much. I was just wondering about you know, if

2262
01:48:54,412 --> 01:48:58,773
Speaker 7: it's if it's a simulation, then surely there's a reflection

2263
01:48:59,053 --> 01:49:03,812
Speaker 7: of the creator's reality in the simulation itself. And if

2264
01:49:03,853 --> 01:49:09,293
Speaker 7: that's the case, if if the simulation needs to be improved,

2265
01:49:09,412 --> 01:49:13,252
Speaker 7: because you know, we have chaos theory and everything decayed.

2266
01:49:13,893 --> 01:49:17,453
Speaker 7: How is the simulation that we're in patched or upgraded

2267
01:49:17,973 --> 01:49:22,133
Speaker 7: with us without us perceiving that? I mean, could it

2268
01:49:22,293 --> 01:49:26,053
Speaker 7: be that every time our simulation is patched there's an

2269
01:49:26,133 --> 01:49:27,012
Speaker 7: extinction event?

2270
01:49:27,293 --> 01:49:30,252
Speaker 2: Or yeah, right, I mean I was wondering about.

2271
01:49:30,133 --> 01:49:32,132
Speaker 3: Well, well, this is a text to here that says

2272
01:49:32,293 --> 01:49:35,452
Speaker 3: no new cultural or fashion since two thousand What new

2273
01:49:35,492 --> 01:49:39,532
Speaker 3: advances has human race made in recent times? I mean,

2274
01:49:39,572 --> 01:49:43,053
Speaker 3: that might play to your thoughts that there's this big,

2275
01:49:43,213 --> 01:49:46,293
Speaker 3: this whole theory plays into the dead internet theory and such.

2276
01:49:46,412 --> 01:49:48,892
Speaker 3: But if you look at what they used to wear

2277
01:49:49,412 --> 01:49:52,652
Speaker 3: in sitcoms in the seventies, it's very clear that it's

2278
01:49:52,652 --> 01:49:56,132
Speaker 3: the seventies sitcom. You can see the same instantly. Eighties

2279
01:49:56,133 --> 01:49:58,972
Speaker 3: are the same, nineties are the same. It's very very

2280
01:49:59,053 --> 01:50:02,053
Speaker 3: clear in errors. But if you go back to two

2281
01:50:02,093 --> 01:50:04,852
Speaker 3: thousand and five, things look exactly the same as they

2282
01:50:04,893 --> 01:50:10,093
Speaker 3: do now. And so this is theory that that you

2283
01:50:10,133 --> 01:50:11,452
Speaker 3: were saying, we're not being upgraded.

2284
01:50:11,572 --> 01:50:16,173
Speaker 2: So maybe yeah, there was a writer strike at that time.

2285
01:50:16,333 --> 01:50:20,692
Speaker 3: We entered the simulation at COVID times and we haven't

2286
01:50:21,492 --> 01:50:23,492
Speaker 3: had the whole world shut down, and we just got

2287
01:50:23,572 --> 01:50:28,132
Speaker 3: load logged up. We're in purgatory, repeating the same culture

2288
01:50:28,213 --> 01:50:28,892
Speaker 3: over and over again.

2289
01:50:29,732 --> 01:50:30,293
Speaker 7: Yeah, there we go.

2290
01:50:30,652 --> 01:50:32,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, good on you, Brenda, thank you very much.

2291
01:50:33,293 --> 01:50:35,692
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty Yeah, thanks mate. One hundred and

2292
01:50:35,692 --> 01:50:38,293
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Do you

2293
01:50:38,372 --> 01:50:41,452
Speaker 2: think we are in a simulation? The simulation hypothesis. There's

2294
01:50:41,492 --> 01:50:44,253
Speaker 2: a lot of very renowned physicists who say it's highly likely.

2295
01:50:44,572 --> 01:50:45,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we were talking about would you take the

2296
01:50:46,053 --> 01:50:48,412
Speaker 3: red pool or the blue pool? And as Simon points out,

2297
01:50:48,452 --> 01:50:50,532
Speaker 3: the blue Pillars viager, so yes, I would take it.

2298
01:50:51,772 --> 01:50:54,932
Speaker 2: God it it's twelve minutes to four, back with more

2299
01:50:54,973 --> 01:50:55,812
Speaker 2: of your calls very.

2300
01:50:55,732 --> 01:50:58,772
Speaker 3: Shortly, and you're simulating the love life of a younger man.

2301
01:50:59,053 --> 01:51:01,652
Speaker 2: Good times, the big.

2302
01:51:01,532 --> 01:51:05,692
Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything in between.

2303
01:51:05,933 --> 01:51:09,692
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, Used Talk Sibby on

2304
01:51:09,973 --> 01:51:10,772
Speaker 1: Used Talk zibb.

2305
01:51:11,213 --> 01:51:12,652
Speaker 2: It is nine to four.

2306
01:51:13,013 --> 01:51:15,173
Speaker 3: The stix of says, are you in my reality? Or

2307
01:51:15,253 --> 01:51:18,612
Speaker 3: I am am I in yours? No, I'm in yours,

2308
01:51:18,933 --> 01:51:19,772
Speaker 3: I'm in your reality.

2309
01:51:19,893 --> 01:51:20,093
Speaker 14: We're not.

2310
01:51:20,452 --> 01:51:23,293
Speaker 2: It's reality. We don't exist. We don't exist.

2311
01:51:23,772 --> 01:51:25,972
Speaker 3: Clearly, we're just a voice coming through the earwaves.

2312
01:51:26,013 --> 01:51:29,133
Speaker 2: We don't exist. Mike, Welcome to the show. How are

2313
01:51:29,213 --> 01:51:30,333
Speaker 2: you very good?

2314
01:51:30,452 --> 01:51:31,213
Speaker 3: Thank you for calling.

2315
01:51:32,253 --> 01:51:35,213
Speaker 25: Hey, yeah, just be listening on my way home. And

2316
01:51:35,812 --> 01:51:40,013
Speaker 25: I've always had another another idea on on life as

2317
01:51:40,093 --> 01:51:44,812
Speaker 25: we call it, and as in mine, as with our

2318
01:51:44,893 --> 01:51:46,933
Speaker 25: time ins, we actually wake up. I like it a

2319
01:51:46,933 --> 01:51:49,893
Speaker 25: little bit at the moment. Could be a dream. We

2320
01:51:50,053 --> 01:51:51,933
Speaker 25: just wake up from the stream when we when we

2321
01:51:52,333 --> 01:51:56,492
Speaker 25: pass on and return back to our other will Yeah.

2322
01:51:56,973 --> 01:51:59,173
Speaker 3: Do you worry in that scenario that the people that

2323
01:51:59,253 --> 01:52:02,933
Speaker 3: you love in this world don't exist? That's that's my

2324
01:52:03,053 --> 01:52:04,333
Speaker 3: concern about that kind of theory.

2325
01:52:05,492 --> 01:52:08,333
Speaker 25: Well, possibly not be could just be here for an experience?

2326
01:52:08,933 --> 01:52:11,333
Speaker 2: Yeah? Would you?

2327
01:52:11,333 --> 01:52:13,253
Speaker 3: Would you be happy with that outcome? Would be a

2328
01:52:13,333 --> 01:52:13,932
Speaker 3: bit depressing?

2329
01:52:15,213 --> 01:52:18,092
Speaker 25: Well, I don't know. You go to sleep at nighttime

2330
01:52:18,412 --> 01:52:21,452
Speaker 25: and you don't think about the daytime, and you're just

2331
01:52:21,893 --> 01:52:25,133
Speaker 25: in your dreams. So what's to say that we're not

2332
01:52:25,253 --> 01:52:26,932
Speaker 25: doing the same thing every time?

2333
01:52:27,772 --> 01:52:28,692
Speaker 10: This is just a dream.

2334
01:52:28,893 --> 01:52:31,612
Speaker 3: I had a dream last night that I was dating

2335
01:52:31,812 --> 01:52:35,213
Speaker 3: an ex girlfriend and I was thinking, God, I thought.

2336
01:52:36,093 --> 01:52:40,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a dream, that's a nightmare. I'm I

2337
01:52:40,853 --> 01:52:43,692
Speaker 2: mean this there is comforting. What you're saying Mike. For

2338
01:52:43,732 --> 01:52:45,412
Speaker 2: a lot of people right there. I think there'd be

2339
01:52:45,492 --> 01:52:47,412
Speaker 2: many people out there if they're not religious and they

2340
01:52:47,412 --> 01:52:50,732
Speaker 2: don't believe in the simulation hypothesis. What they arguably would

2341
01:52:50,772 --> 01:52:52,772
Speaker 2: believe is you get one shot and once you're out,

2342
01:52:52,853 --> 01:52:55,692
Speaker 2: you're out. That's it. Your consciousness ends. What you're saying

2343
01:52:55,812 --> 01:52:57,572
Speaker 2: is there might be another shot here, or you you

2344
01:52:57,732 --> 01:53:00,093
Speaker 2: get another role at whatever may come after that.

2345
01:53:01,213 --> 01:53:04,253
Speaker 25: Yeah, well, that's sort of that's what I'm saying. I mean,

2346
01:53:04,333 --> 01:53:07,293
Speaker 25: I just read an article this morning of this young

2347
01:53:07,412 --> 01:53:10,692
Speaker 25: boy a mirror who believes he was one of the

2348
01:53:11,093 --> 01:53:16,372
Speaker 25: victims in the nine to eleven, you know, over in America,

2349
01:53:17,013 --> 01:53:18,692
Speaker 25: and he was one of the victims, and that's and

2350
01:53:18,812 --> 01:53:21,412
Speaker 25: he's come back and in the detail of some of

2351
01:53:21,492 --> 01:53:23,893
Speaker 25: the things he says, is how does he do it

2352
01:53:24,333 --> 01:53:25,333
Speaker 25: as such a young kid?

2353
01:53:26,412 --> 01:53:26,572
Speaker 8: Right?

2354
01:53:27,013 --> 01:53:30,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, and sometimes you just see people walking down

2355
01:53:30,692 --> 01:53:34,452
Speaker 3: the street just talking to themselves and snapping at things

2356
01:53:34,532 --> 01:53:37,452
Speaker 3: and looking around, and they might be in our real world,

2357
01:53:37,532 --> 01:53:39,732
Speaker 3: but they're not in their mind, They're in a totally

2358
01:53:39,772 --> 01:53:44,133
Speaker 3: different world. He thank you so much for you call Mike.

2359
01:53:44,213 --> 01:53:46,412
Speaker 3: This text says the great news is the human brain

2360
01:53:46,492 --> 01:53:48,652
Speaker 3: has become so advanced that we think up this crap,

2361
01:53:50,812 --> 01:53:53,173
Speaker 3: yet we are still driven by emotions, violence, and greed,

2362
01:53:53,372 --> 01:53:54,292
Speaker 3: just like the caveman.

2363
01:53:54,933 --> 01:53:55,213
Speaker 2: Paul.

2364
01:53:55,772 --> 01:53:58,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a luxury to just sit around

2365
01:53:58,013 --> 01:53:59,893
Speaker 3: and think we're in a simulation. For most of the

2366
01:54:00,013 --> 01:54:02,812
Speaker 3: history of humanity, all you're thinking about was whereas where

2367
01:54:02,812 --> 01:54:04,213
Speaker 3: am I going to get some food to feed my

2368
01:54:04,333 --> 01:54:05,852
Speaker 3: kids and my missus?

2369
01:54:06,013 --> 01:54:09,053
Speaker 2: Yeah? Very true. Right, great discussion, Thank you very much.

2370
01:54:09,133 --> 01:54:13,093
Speaker 2: Really enjoyed that. So many texts and vocals on whether

2371
01:54:13,133 --> 01:54:15,692
Speaker 2: we live in a simulation, and I don't know if

2372
01:54:15,692 --> 01:54:17,732
Speaker 2: there was a consensus agreement one way or the other.

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Speaker 3: Mat Yeah, look, I think that, Yeah, I think the

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Speaker 3: only consensus is that we could spend all eternity in

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Speaker 3: a simulation. Discussing whether or in a simulation?

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, great show today, Thank you very much as always.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you to all your great New Zealands for

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Speaker 3: listening to the show. Thanks for your calls and text

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Speaker 3: We've had a great time chatting. I hope you've had

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Speaker 3: a good time listening to Matt and Tyler Afternoons podcast

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Speaker 3: will be out and about now, So if you missed

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Speaker 3: our chats on who would replace the PM if something

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Speaker 3: bad happened? How you climb back from a redundancy emotionally?

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Speaker 3: Or are we living in a simulation? Then follow our

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Speaker 3: podcast where we get your podcasts. The great and powerful

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridges up next, standing in for Heather. But Tyler,

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Speaker 3: tell me, my good friend, why am I playing the song?

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Speaker 25: Or?

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Speaker 23: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Is this the Smith's There is a Light that never goes?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why am I playing it?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 2: A very good There was some discussion about what would

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Speaker 2: happen if God for the Christopher Luxon never got by

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Speaker 2: a double giga bus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that is exactly right. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: listening everyone, See you tomorrow AVO.

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Speaker 2: Until then, give me a taste of kealing.

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Speaker 11: Love you.

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Speaker 1: Many, Maddie and Tyler Adams. For more from News Talk

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Speaker 1: st B, listen live on air or online, and keep

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