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Speaker 1: Housing. That's going to be part of the election year debate.

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Speaker 1: Of course, now the government appear to have read the

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Speaker 1: room in Auckland. They're about to backtrack on what they

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Speaker 1: call Plan one twenty. Basically as the Council has to plan,

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Speaker 1: they were made to plan for up to two million homes.

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Speaker 1: Troy Churton is the Iraqi Local Board member and Planning

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Speaker 1: Portfolio lead. Troy, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: What am I?

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Speaker 1: I never understood and I don't want to bore the

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Speaker 1: rest of the country with Auckland's many and varied problems,

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Speaker 1: but I never understood how the government thought that going

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Speaker 1: two million houses wouldn't freak people out.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think many Auckland has understood why Minister

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Speaker 2: Bishop and lower Hut would have led such a campaign.

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Speaker 2: But what I think Aucklanders do appreciate and was courageous

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Speaker 2: of the government to recently indicate that it might look

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Speaker 2: at reviewing this, was that PC two twenty was an

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Speaker 2: attempt to accelerate change, and the Government's always been very

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Speaker 2: keen to accelerate change for housing on the perception that

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Speaker 2: there's some sort of housing crisis. But the scale and

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Speaker 2: the bluntness of that change as clearly under the durability

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Speaker 2: of the whole system.

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Speaker 1: Right, tell you what happened if I go to these

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Speaker 1: houses and the first thing I ask the real estate

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Speaker 1: agent is they go, what's getting built over there? And

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Speaker 1: of course their answers I would never clue. Who would

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Speaker 1: know at which point I go, I'm not buying that house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And if you look around, I mean there

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Speaker 2: are lots of developers who are doing developments near train

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Speaker 2: stations and arterials at the moment who are succeeding I

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Speaker 2: mean simplicity, And I can come to mind the existing

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Speaker 2: settings aren't denying housing supply. And I think the thing

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Speaker 2: that personally aggravates me is that we think that there's

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Speaker 2: a bigger problem here at play, and we can do

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Speaker 2: a much more considered process to get the settings for

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Speaker 2: intensification right than we are being forced to do under

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Speaker 2: PC one twenty in the law change.

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Speaker 1: Key is what sort of back down do you think

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Speaker 1: they've got it or do you think they're going to

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Speaker 1: say something that's going to further piss you off.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think any plan changes that are based on

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Speaker 2: a figure of housing capacity always going to be subject

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Speaker 2: to scrutiny. That what the AUP process told us was

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Speaker 2: that when you go through a slower considered, evidence based approach,

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Speaker 2: you get far better outcomes. And that's the heart of it.

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Speaker 2: We you know, I was in a planning workshop and

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Speaker 2: heard Mayor Brown say that maybe if the figure was

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Speaker 2: one point four million, we would have ended up with

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Speaker 2: a better outcome. But whether it's one point four or

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Speaker 2: one point six or one, it's the process that's involved

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Speaker 2: in getting the outcome which is more important. And in

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Speaker 2: my argument is that if we were to do the

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Speaker 2: statute required unitary plan review process, that we would have

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Speaker 2: saved millions and we would have ended up with a

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Speaker 2: far better outcome. And it's still available to the government

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Speaker 2: to go down that route. And hopefully, you know, Chris

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Speaker 2: Luxon has to be applauded in my view for acknowledging

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Speaker 2: that a reset is still on the table.

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Speaker 1: Exactly good on your Troy Well, explained Troy Jorden, who's

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Speaker 1: the IRAQI local board member. He might be my local

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Speaker 1: board member. Actually, for all I know, I think I'm

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Speaker 1: in the Isn't it pathetic that I don't know what

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Speaker 1: area are? I'm almost certain I'm in that area.

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Speaker 2: Did you vote for them?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Not that I didn't vote for

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Speaker 1: him or against them, but I didn't vote for the members.

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Speaker 1: I only do the mayor thing. Oh wow, there we go. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Mike, so good to have you back. G

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Speaker 1: Eric is good, isn't she? And as usual, the unions

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Speaker 1: are skewing the numbers to make the situation look worse

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Speaker 1: than it really is. I don't know. All I know

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Speaker 1: is that lots of businesses have lots of vacancies. And

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Speaker 1: what I know also from personal experience, they had a

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Speaker 1: couple of teachers who left a school last year, and

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Speaker 1: they left a school because they are sick of the school.

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Speaker 1: It's the individual school. Now they've all gone and got

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Speaker 1: jobs and they're perfectly happy moving forward. But you've got

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Speaker 1: to also look at the individual circumstances around the school,

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Speaker 1: and as Erica pointed out, there are certain regions that

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Speaker 1: have always been hard to staff and hard to staff

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Speaker 1: in everything far less teaching.

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