1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:15,427 Speaker 1: from newstorgs EDB. The biggest things in sport are on 3 00:00:15,747 --> 00:00:20,347 Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Fine and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's 4 00:00:20,387 --> 00:00:24,067 Speaker 1: most trusted home builder news Dogs EDB roy God scripts up, 5 00:00:24,147 --> 00:00:27,347 Speaker 1: it's opened up cam re Guard. Then he goes, I 6 00:00:27,507 --> 00:00:29,787 Speaker 1: bet how a scout about the All Blacks have their. 7 00:00:29,627 --> 00:00:32,467 Speaker 2: First Yeah, that was first try of the evening in 8 00:00:32,547 --> 00:00:35,147 Speaker 2: Churin for cam roy Guard. Let's bring in former All 9 00:00:35,187 --> 00:00:38,467 Speaker 2: Blacks number eight and now rugby commentator and analyst Paul Miller. 10 00:00:38,867 --> 00:00:40,947 Speaker 2: Paul is a bit of a full circle moment. You're 11 00:00:40,947 --> 00:00:43,147 Speaker 2: in the expert comments seat for Test one of the 12 00:00:43,227 --> 00:00:46,507 Speaker 2: year when the All Blacks beat England sixteen fifteen and 13 00:00:46,587 --> 00:00:50,467 Speaker 2: Dunedin fourteen test later. You're back. Let's start with this 14 00:00:50,547 --> 00:00:52,627 Speaker 2: test match. What was your overall assessment of what you 15 00:00:52,627 --> 00:00:53,307 Speaker 2: saw this morning? 16 00:00:54,227 --> 00:01:00,747 Speaker 3: Oh, y untidy mess seed, but will credit to the 17 00:01:00,747 --> 00:01:04,427 Speaker 3: Italian team, very very good in terms of the dominance 18 00:01:04,627 --> 00:01:07,227 Speaker 3: at the rock area. The actually slowed down the ball 19 00:01:07,267 --> 00:01:09,307 Speaker 3: for the All Blecks. The All Blacks couldn't get any 20 00:01:09,547 --> 00:01:12,947 Speaker 3: continuity away, So yeah, it was it was it was 21 00:01:13,027 --> 00:01:16,347 Speaker 3: kind of a crash and a bash, but limited space 22 00:01:16,427 --> 00:01:19,907 Speaker 3: and limited opportunities. It was you know, those fortuitous events. 23 00:01:19,947 --> 00:01:22,547 Speaker 3: How obviously cam Rouygar got his try and then obviously 24 00:01:22,587 --> 00:01:24,667 Speaker 3: boat and bear it at the end. But all in all, 25 00:01:24,707 --> 00:01:26,987 Speaker 3: I just thought it was very a very untidy game 26 00:01:26,987 --> 00:01:27,947 Speaker 3: from the All Blacks. 27 00:01:28,467 --> 00:01:31,667 Speaker 2: Second tier teams. Paul like Italy will always lift their 28 00:01:31,707 --> 00:01:34,707 Speaker 2: game right against the All Blacks. They always will do. 29 00:01:34,707 --> 00:01:37,307 Speaker 2: Do you need to plan more specifically for teams to 30 00:01:37,427 --> 00:01:39,467 Speaker 2: do that in test matches like this. 31 00:01:40,227 --> 00:01:44,627 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely do. What it shows though also is beliefs 32 00:01:44,667 --> 00:01:47,667 Speaker 3: that these I guess you know, so called secondary of 33 00:01:47,667 --> 00:01:51,587 Speaker 3: teams like Italy are seeing the teams like the Ireland 34 00:01:51,627 --> 00:01:54,947 Speaker 3: of France obviously England as well with who the All 35 00:01:54,987 --> 00:01:57,227 Speaker 3: Backs played on that Northern tour. But it's the belief 36 00:01:57,267 --> 00:02:01,107 Speaker 3: that these teams now have showing you know that my 37 00:02:01,307 --> 00:02:03,867 Speaker 3: you know, possible weaknesses the All Blacks do have and 38 00:02:04,347 --> 00:02:06,507 Speaker 3: been able to have a belief that you know, All 39 00:02:06,507 --> 00:02:08,467 Speaker 3: Blacks an as dominant as what they were and now 40 00:02:08,507 --> 00:02:11,307 Speaker 3: we can actually you know, not just play to perform well, 41 00:02:11,347 --> 00:02:13,467 Speaker 3: but play to perform and win at the end of it. 42 00:02:13,547 --> 00:02:16,467 Speaker 3: So it's given these you know, these Tier two teams, 43 00:02:16,587 --> 00:02:19,867 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of encouragement that you know, when 44 00:02:19,907 --> 00:02:22,227 Speaker 3: they do play, they're going to be playing at their 45 00:02:22,227 --> 00:02:25,147 Speaker 3: top level. So yeah, it's grateful world Rugby. 46 00:02:25,547 --> 00:02:27,507 Speaker 2: Oh I know, look, without question, I think we all 47 00:02:27,547 --> 00:02:29,987 Speaker 2: want competitive Test matches week in week out. But given 48 00:02:30,027 --> 00:02:32,467 Speaker 2: the fact the All Blacks named a full strength team 49 00:02:32,507 --> 00:02:35,107 Speaker 2: for this, was this a missed chance to lay down 50 00:02:35,107 --> 00:02:36,427 Speaker 2: a marker at the end of the year. 51 00:02:37,867 --> 00:02:40,587 Speaker 3: I mean, it was surprising that yet Razer did go 52 00:02:40,667 --> 00:02:43,787 Speaker 3: with obviously an established Tests side. I would have thought 53 00:02:43,827 --> 00:02:45,427 Speaker 3: he would have brought in a couple of the you know, 54 00:02:45,507 --> 00:02:47,947 Speaker 3: the New Zealand and fifteen like obviously broad in Peter 55 00:02:48,027 --> 00:02:51,907 Speaker 3: Lackeye first a bit earlier, but obviously playing you know, 56 00:02:52,347 --> 00:02:55,227 Speaker 3: a privilege to Sam Kay's last Test match in the 57 00:02:55,267 --> 00:02:58,427 Speaker 3: all Back Jersey, but very very toping that he started. 58 00:02:58,827 --> 00:03:00,987 Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, you're right, I mean it could 59 00:03:00,987 --> 00:03:02,907 Speaker 3: have he could have brought in the likes of Ruven Love, 60 00:03:03,267 --> 00:03:06,947 Speaker 3: the pair of feeders, you know, so maybe just sort 61 00:03:06,947 --> 00:03:10,107 Speaker 3: of blooded them. And but you know, given that, you know, 62 00:03:10,347 --> 00:03:14,067 Speaker 3: the initial test lineup, I would have thought they would 63 00:03:14,067 --> 00:03:15,987 Speaker 3: have played a lot better than what they did. 64 00:03:16,627 --> 00:03:19,307 Speaker 2: A couple of Yellow Cants this morning. That makes eleven 65 00:03:19,827 --> 00:03:22,347 Speaker 2: for the season. Is that a concerning number. 66 00:03:23,827 --> 00:03:29,907 Speaker 3: It's yes and no. Concerning that, it seems to be 67 00:03:30,067 --> 00:03:32,427 Speaker 3: quite a continued theme with the All Blacks. You know, 68 00:03:33,027 --> 00:03:37,467 Speaker 3: that's and that's student's basically discipline, but also it's the 69 00:03:37,867 --> 00:03:40,947 Speaker 3: scrutiny that's involved. Now. I mean, you know every sort 70 00:03:40,987 --> 00:03:43,867 Speaker 3: of ten to fifteen minutes that the dmos get involved, 71 00:03:43,867 --> 00:03:47,067 Speaker 3: the sideline touches get involved, so you know, that's something 72 00:03:47,107 --> 00:03:49,147 Speaker 3: else that maybe may have to be looked at. And 73 00:03:49,627 --> 00:03:52,267 Speaker 3: that just sort of created that stop starting sort of 74 00:03:52,307 --> 00:03:54,147 Speaker 3: game for the All Blacks. And they weren't be able, 75 00:03:54,227 --> 00:03:56,547 Speaker 3: they weren't able to get into the rhythm as such. 76 00:03:56,587 --> 00:03:58,947 Speaker 3: So but again it comes back to the Italian has 77 00:03:58,987 --> 00:04:01,587 Speaker 3: been ruthless on defense, you know, slowing that ball down. 78 00:04:01,627 --> 00:04:03,907 Speaker 3: But you're right, Piney, it's it's something that I think 79 00:04:03,907 --> 00:04:06,067 Speaker 3: world regnus to look at. Otherwise you know you're going 80 00:04:06,107 --> 00:04:08,787 Speaker 3: to get disgruntled listeners as well as viewers. 81 00:04:09,387 --> 00:04:11,827 Speaker 2: Indeed, well, let's zoom out of it now, as I say, 82 00:04:11,827 --> 00:04:14,307 Speaker 2: you said alongside Elliot Smith in the first test of 83 00:04:14,307 --> 00:04:18,147 Speaker 2: the year against England and Dunedin. Here we are now 84 00:04:18,347 --> 00:04:21,987 Speaker 2: fourteen tests in the books. How do you assess twenty 85 00:04:22,027 --> 00:04:22,907 Speaker 2: twenty four for the All. 86 00:04:22,827 --> 00:04:27,827 Speaker 3: Blacks I think for the terms of how they tested 87 00:04:27,867 --> 00:04:31,427 Speaker 3: the depth of their players, and also you know you're 88 00:04:31,507 --> 00:04:36,187 Speaker 3: leading contenders as well, like obviously Scott Barrett and the 89 00:04:36,227 --> 00:04:38,867 Speaker 3: front rowers. Of course they're pretty much established now with 90 00:04:38,907 --> 00:04:44,147 Speaker 3: the mighty Pasilio Tossi as well and obviously eating the 91 00:04:44,227 --> 00:04:50,227 Speaker 3: group like Lomax and the likes, very settled lineup. Again, 92 00:04:50,387 --> 00:04:52,027 Speaker 3: it was great to see the bluddy of the other 93 00:04:52,067 --> 00:04:54,867 Speaker 3: players like Sam Derry for example, coming in there at Locke, 94 00:04:55,187 --> 00:04:57,947 Speaker 3: Josh Lord obviously, and then and then the light's giving 95 00:04:57,987 --> 00:04:59,987 Speaker 3: in these other players in the backs a bit of 96 00:04:59,987 --> 00:05:03,107 Speaker 3: a crack as well. Like Proctor, I thought he might 97 00:05:03,107 --> 00:05:08,067 Speaker 3: have got his opportunity as well. It just it's given 98 00:05:08,147 --> 00:05:11,947 Speaker 3: the All Blacks test of the depth, but also you 99 00:05:11,987 --> 00:05:14,587 Speaker 3: know something can work on continuing to the next year 100 00:05:14,587 --> 00:05:14,987 Speaker 3: as well. 101 00:05:15,867 --> 00:05:18,547 Speaker 2: So Sam Kaine has started eight of them the last 102 00:05:18,667 --> 00:05:21,267 Speaker 2: nine test matches in the seven Jersey. That's probably more 103 00:05:21,267 --> 00:05:24,707 Speaker 2: than they thought he might. But the fact is he 104 00:05:24,827 --> 00:05:27,427 Speaker 2: started there in eight of the last nine tests. So 105 00:05:27,427 --> 00:05:29,787 Speaker 2: who do you reckon is going to get first crack 106 00:05:29,827 --> 00:05:31,147 Speaker 2: at the seven Jersey next year? 107 00:05:31,827 --> 00:05:35,267 Speaker 3: Right, Well, you've got Peter Lackeye there coming through the ranks. 108 00:05:35,267 --> 00:05:38,187 Speaker 3: But in my opinion, I think Artie Severe should go 109 00:05:38,227 --> 00:05:40,147 Speaker 3: to the open side and want us to Teata should go 110 00:05:40,187 --> 00:05:44,507 Speaker 3: to number eight. They've got send me penow a female, 111 00:05:44,667 --> 00:05:47,707 Speaker 3: send me a female there he can play obviously play 112 00:05:48,827 --> 00:05:50,307 Speaker 3: on the on the blinds of I would like to 113 00:05:50,307 --> 00:05:52,707 Speaker 3: see Seteta pop in at eight. I think he's a 114 00:05:52,747 --> 00:05:55,627 Speaker 3: bit he's used, as he's not as free as when 115 00:05:55,627 --> 00:05:57,667 Speaker 3: he plays at number six, even though you know some 116 00:05:57,707 --> 00:06:00,907 Speaker 3: of the games obviously the previous ones that they played 117 00:06:00,907 --> 00:06:02,627 Speaker 3: and against Ireland that he was able to sort of 118 00:06:02,867 --> 00:06:05,827 Speaker 3: get out and get a bit more into the open terrory. 119 00:06:05,867 --> 00:06:09,667 Speaker 3: But I would like to see obviously Ardie severat seven 120 00:06:09,707 --> 00:06:13,747 Speaker 3: and then maybe Blood and Peter Lackeye and and again 121 00:06:13,787 --> 00:06:17,547 Speaker 3: it's there's the police creating as well, who's nothing at 122 00:06:17,547 --> 00:06:20,547 Speaker 3: the heels of them as two. So it's probably my opinion. 123 00:06:20,147 --> 00:06:23,107 Speaker 2: Point no, no, what do you see in the future 124 00:06:23,107 --> 00:06:24,347 Speaker 2: of Ethan Blackadder then? 125 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:24,667 Speaker 3: And that? 126 00:06:24,907 --> 00:06:26,987 Speaker 2: And you know, given given all of that, and we 127 00:06:26,987 --> 00:06:28,587 Speaker 2: haven't seen him. I know he's been injured. I think 128 00:06:28,627 --> 00:06:30,787 Speaker 2: last time he played the game would have been over 129 00:06:30,867 --> 00:06:32,747 Speaker 2: in South Africa from memory, and I think we've seen 130 00:06:32,827 --> 00:06:36,827 Speaker 2: him since that. What do you predict for Ethan Blackadder? 131 00:06:38,267 --> 00:06:43,107 Speaker 3: He probably have a synen without obviously these minor injuries, 132 00:06:43,147 --> 00:06:45,507 Speaker 3: but that's that's just a testament of how he plays 133 00:06:46,347 --> 00:06:49,947 Speaker 3: quite like his father obviously, just gets in there, gets 134 00:06:49,987 --> 00:06:52,747 Speaker 3: stuck in and no respect for his body as such. 135 00:06:52,827 --> 00:06:55,747 Speaker 3: But if he can maintain injury free, then you know 136 00:06:55,827 --> 00:06:59,027 Speaker 3: he could have essentially also be in the written for 137 00:06:59,067 --> 00:07:04,027 Speaker 3: that number six position too. So I think to have 138 00:07:04,107 --> 00:07:07,627 Speaker 3: good depths, particularly in the front row forwards locks. Yep. 139 00:07:07,787 --> 00:07:11,067 Speaker 3: Probably a bit of a question mark around the depth there, 140 00:07:11,107 --> 00:07:15,027 Speaker 3: but obviously with Sam Derry and two pot VII Josh 141 00:07:15,027 --> 00:07:17,387 Speaker 3: Lord and obviously they established toy below to and bear 142 00:07:17,427 --> 00:07:20,427 Speaker 3: it there as well. So but I think I think 143 00:07:20,627 --> 00:07:23,387 Speaker 3: all mas have got you know, good good depth, as 144 00:07:23,387 --> 00:07:24,467 Speaker 3: I said in the loose forwards. 145 00:07:25,227 --> 00:07:27,067 Speaker 2: Indeed, do we know if there's a test and toned 146 00:07:27,187 --> 00:07:29,267 Speaker 2: next year? Are you hearing anything? I'm not sure whether 147 00:07:29,307 --> 00:07:30,867 Speaker 2: the schedule's been announced. Are we going to be down 148 00:07:30,907 --> 00:07:31,547 Speaker 2: your way again? 149 00:07:32,747 --> 00:07:35,307 Speaker 3: Well, there's probably one person who know that would be 150 00:07:35,307 --> 00:07:38,387 Speaker 3: Paul Allison, and he's always always going to be end 151 00:07:38,387 --> 00:07:39,227 Speaker 3: of the ground. 152 00:07:38,987 --> 00:07:39,147 Speaker 1: So. 153 00:07:40,707 --> 00:07:42,787 Speaker 3: Yep, so I could get on the blow. But I'd 154 00:07:42,827 --> 00:07:46,427 Speaker 3: be fantastic for fistned and got another case before. Obviously 155 00:07:46,507 --> 00:07:49,787 Speaker 3: this stadium sort of kicks off in christ Church, but 156 00:07:49,867 --> 00:07:51,227 Speaker 3: that looks impressive as well. 157 00:07:51,667 --> 00:07:53,467 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've never had a bad time in Dunedin, 158 00:07:53,627 --> 00:07:55,827 Speaker 2: so I hope there's one next year for us. Paul, 159 00:07:56,107 --> 00:07:58,227 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, mate, Thanks for being part of 160 00:07:58,227 --> 00:08:00,227 Speaker 2: our team across the across the year. Look forward to 161 00:08:00,227 --> 00:08:01,067 Speaker 2: catching up next year. 162 00:08:01,267 --> 00:08:03,387 Speaker 3: No, well you two, you thinks so much? 163 00:08:03,507 --> 00:08:04,507 Speaker 2: Is all the best? 164 00:08:04,507 --> 00:08:04,627 Speaker 3: Mate? 165 00:08:04,707 --> 00:08:07,947 Speaker 2: Cheers. That's former former All Black number eighth and yeah, 166 00:08:07,987 --> 00:08:10,787 Speaker 2: our expert commentator whenever we go to Test matches and Dunedin. 167 00:08:11,747 --> 00:08:13,707 Speaker 2: Yeah a good man, a really good man with some 168 00:08:13,787 --> 00:08:16,027 Speaker 2: interesting thoughts. The loose forward trio was one I'd want 169 00:08:16,027 --> 00:08:17,747 Speaker 2: to I'd quite like to unpack with you. 170 00:08:18,507 --> 00:08:21,707 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 171 00:08:21,787 --> 00:08:25,067 Speaker 1: to News Talk Set B weekends from midday or follow 172 00:08:25,147 --> 00:08:26,747 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.