1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand South Beast International Realty, a 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: name you can trust locally and globally. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Battle with us a se evening we have Tim Wilson 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: of the Maximum Institute and Jack Tame, host of Saturday 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: Mornings in Q and a highlights right agree, the jobless number, 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: the unemployed number. Did you look at that and think, well, 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: that's a shock that's gone up again, or did you 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: look under the hood and think might see the signs 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: of the recovery? Or both? 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 3: Oh, you know both. It's a sort of a lot 11 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: of good news bad news scenario. More like a bad 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,639 Speaker 3: news good news scenario with more unemployed people but more 13 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 3: people in employment. But I think, you know, it's sort 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: of like a situation. Is is really probably the winning 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 3: narrative will be this is the worst in ten years. 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 3: So if you're if you're nationally, you'll say, hey, hey, 17 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: there's more people in employment, but that that top line 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: it's the worst in ten years, That will probably take hold. 19 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: I think you're right talking about the election is probably 20 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 3: an economic election. People are going to you know, there's 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: our green shirts, green shirts. A lot people are just 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: going to go, hey, I don't care about the green shoots, 23 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: show me the damn flower. 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: Do you think, though, Tim, I mean on the narrative thing. 25 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: Do you think that that narrative. I think that narrative matters, 26 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: and which is why I'm keen to get out there 27 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: under the hood there are some good stuff, because I 28 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: worry that this kind of thing might just might just 29 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: put a bit more of a wobble on the recovery 30 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: than is necessary. What do you think? 31 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's you know, when I was listening to 32 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: your conversation with Brad Olsen, and I guess, well, is 33 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: a disposition has a great effect on the economy. So 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: people are feeling pessimistic, and Brad were saying, you know, well, 35 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: the reason that people are so pessimistic was because they're 36 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 3: perhaps a bit optimistic last year. So absolutely narrative dominates. 37 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Jack? 38 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I think timing is kind of everything, right. 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: So it's interesting that when summer was upon us at 40 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: the end of last year, you thought some of those 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 4: sentiment numbers start to increase, everyone's feeling a bit rosier. 42 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 4: Then you go through a wet, pretty pretty grim summer 43 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: in parts of much of the country. 44 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: All of a sudden, the. 45 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 4: Unemployment numbers come in just like you know, point one 46 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 4: of a percent higher than some analysts were expecting. And 47 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 4: I mean it's still worse than any analysts were expecting, 48 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 4: as the Finance Minister pointed out last year, is actually 49 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: lower than what they were expecting at the last high food. 50 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: But add that together with the inflation numbers coming in 51 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: slightly higher than analysts expect, and all of a sudden 52 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 4: you can feel people starting to grumble again. But you know, 53 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 4: I still think there is plenty of reason to feel 54 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 4: relatively positive that we are kind of at the bottom 55 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 4: and that things are starting to improve. But these things 56 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: take time, and it might be a case of waiting 57 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: for the next couple of jobs non days before we 58 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 4: really see a turnerant. 59 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: Jack Jack stopped with the optimistic stuff because I wanted 60 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: to get here to swap her Wrangler Jeep for my 61 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: Suzuki Swift. So can we just staye. 62 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: How much is the insurance on your Suzuki Swift ten? 63 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: They don't have a great safety record, actually, but can 64 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: we take this offline? 65 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: You only have third party though, right, tell me you're 66 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 4: not actually ensuring to replace your car? 67 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: Of course, of course you can't You can't be driving 68 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: around with said, well, yeah, I know I do have First. 69 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 4: You should only be concerned about the other car you honestly, honestly, 70 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: I'm said passenger in that you have appreciated the lift. 71 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 3: But you know what, So. 72 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: Jack, this is not because I thought you were about 73 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: to give us a lesson in insurance about like only 74 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: ever do third party that's this is not. 75 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: Worth if you have a car worth more than two 76 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 4: thousand dollars. And sure you can, right, I'm sure there's 77 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 4: there's I've been in Tim Suzuki's lift. 78 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: I promise you the cars, the car's gotta be worth 79 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: at least five that'll swap for the wranglers. 80 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: Come on, I don't know, mate, I don't know. But 81 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: you know what, just because of the insurance, the cost 82 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: of this insurance, almost want to do the swap with you, 83 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: just so you see if you can cope with that. 84 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: Do you think Jack, that I have been unfair on 85 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: David Seymour. 86 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: Well, no, And I've got some friends who are big 87 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 4: at supporters, and funnily enough like having a conversation with 88 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: them a couple of weeks ago and I said, oh, 89 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 4: it looks like some version of the Treaty principles issue 90 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: was going to be, you know, it's going to be 91 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: a big part of X campaign going into November this year, 92 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: and they were like, Honestly, I love David seymore when 93 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: he's talking about the economy. I agree with him on 94 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: Treaty principles, but the economy is driving everything for me 95 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 4: right now, and I just want him to focus on that. 96 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: Now. 97 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 4: I don't know how representative that is for ACT voters. 98 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 4: I reckon you could probably draw a ven diagram and 99 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 4: maybe a third would say they only they primarily care 100 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 4: about the economy. Maybe a third would say they care 101 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 4: about the Treaty principles, maybe a third care about both. 102 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 4: But I would hit Mabets that actually a majority of 103 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 4: his supporter coming from people who would prefer to see 104 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 4: him prioritize some of the economic messaging. 105 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to get your take on it, Tim, 106 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: but let me get you after the break. We'll just 107 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: take one right now, the huddle with New. 108 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only truly global brand. 109 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: Right back of the huddle, Tim Wilson, Jack Tame, Tim, 110 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: what's your take? 111 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, well we'll let our beed have traction. Yeah, 112 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: I think it will. But within the act base, if 113 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: he wants to expand the base, I think you're right 114 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: there we're talking about the economic selection and all of 115 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 3: that stuff. The tax talk will likely expand the basis like, well, 116 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: here's why you deserve more money. Oh, I do need 117 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: more money. 118 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. And don't you think also, though, Tim, that there 119 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: is a part of this where where David Seymour has 120 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: become a little bit of a spoiler in the coalition, 121 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: like if you can at one end be a statesman, 122 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: at the other end of Bratt, he's leaning more towards 123 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: the Bratt thing. And I think that part of it 124 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: is because he doesn't seem to be doing things that 125 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: are necessarily constructive, right, and so maybe and I think 126 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: unfortunately talk about race relations leads you down that path 127 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: a little bit. He needs to probably row a little 128 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: bit back more towards being more of a statesman. Don't 129 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: you think. 130 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 3: I actually quite like that he provokes the discussion because often, 131 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 3: you know, because to. 132 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: Write, Buttim, what's the point in provoking without yeah you know. 133 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: What, Yeah, you called me, I used the wrong verb? 134 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: Encourage the discussions to Often often that encouragement comes in 135 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: the form of a provocation, that's not useful. So but 136 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: I do I would say New Zealanders tend to run 137 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: to consensus, so we do run away from fleary sort 138 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: of scary issues and I think that's problematic for us. 139 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, Jack, Listen. Should Wellingtonians be angry about 140 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: the poo going into Lylebury. 141 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 3: It's not just the. 142 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 4: Pop and people in christ it should be incensed about 143 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 4: the stench over a third of the city at the 144 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: moment as well. 145 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 3: It's just so poor. 146 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just I mean, it's unbelievable that heading 147 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: into the white Hanging weekend in the middle of summer. 148 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 4: Not that those South Bays are notorious for having like beautiful, 149 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 4: warm swimming conditions in the middle of summer, but it's 150 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 4: just outrageous that our capital city. 151 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 2: This was awesome today, Jack and a bunch of sources 152 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: law Yeah, but went in and they just they just 153 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: took their chances with the poop. 154 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: There's no way I would be doing that, No that 155 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 4: I'd be way more if they said we've seen sharks 156 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: on the beach, I'd be like, oh, yeah, maybe I'll 157 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: take my chances. They're like we've seen human waste and 158 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: and toilet paper washing up. Jack, Jack, you've got a 159 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: new born, cign it's overwhelmed. 160 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: No thing, Jack, you've got a newborn. You should be 161 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: immune to pooh. You are currently surfing a tsunami of 162 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: pooh as we speak. I don't know why you're pretending 163 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: that the stuff is affecting you. 164 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: There's a difference between wiping it and putting it in 165 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: your mouth. 166 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. 167 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: What are you Wellington? 168 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: It's another kick in the guts for Wellington, isn't it. 169 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: The jobs are gone, the house prices tank, the councils 170 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: are mess and now there's what is it? There's tampons, 171 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: toilet paper and condoms on the beach. Sorry sorry, but 172 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: it's all about the details. And now those science warning 173 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: did you see some of the images of some of 174 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: those sciences are so small they're like, you know, look 175 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: out for watch out for pooh, tampon's condoms and billboard 176 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, I can't quite read that. So 177 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: next to obviously, the next election issue for Wellingtonians won't 178 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: be the rubbish being taken out. 179 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: It's wastewater is honestly, feel for the people who've got 180 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 4: to clean it up, right, because the actual plant itself 181 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 4: apparently was like completely overwhelmed. So it's going to be 182 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 4: like Chernobyl in the days after the meltdown, like people 183 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 4: look at are laid in there and has matt suits. 184 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Jack, that can borrow your hoss 185 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: matt suits. 186 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: It's a good point. Okay, Now listen, Tim, I am 187 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: not sold at all on this argument that Jackson Street 188 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: is now the coolest place in Wellington because they've got 189 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: a bunch of op shops. That's so weak, isn't it? 190 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 3: Well it sort of yeah, it's like paton the headline 191 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 3: Pattoni's cool. Has the world actually turned upside down? My 192 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: question is how far is it from that wastewater plant. 193 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 4: I think that Harbord state, isn't it? Probably? This is 194 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 4: this is a hell of a week for Potoni to 195 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 4: the rest of Wellington, right. 196 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, Jack, you explained to me, I mean, 197 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: are you part of this community that that is sold 198 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: on the coolness of a street on account with the 199 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: proportion of op shops and vegan bakeries. 200 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 4: No, although I am a fan of is it caffeine? 201 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: Is that the cafe on Jackson Street that has the 202 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 4: amazing scones. I've been there a few times. In fact, 203 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 4: we recently the Tame family recently got an airbnb on 204 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 4: Jackson Street, and I was surprised because of course I didn't. 205 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 4: I didn't look into this. I was surprised at how 206 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 4: late the music from all the local bars was pumping. 207 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 4: Jackson Street does have something going. 208 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 3: What were you doing on jet? 209 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: Why were you down there? 210 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: Ah? 211 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 4: The extended family are in Lower Haut. 212 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, jack, come on here. 213 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 4: You spending your summer in fung matar on the corinandel 214 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 4: I was, I was a low hut. 215 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're tag like vampirical, is it? 216 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, exactly, No, I actually I do you 217 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: know what it has? 218 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 4: Character? It does have character, an underrated character. 219 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: I reckon lower heart. 220 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 4: And patuonia, partic killer. So is it cooler than Cuba Street? 221 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: Though I'm not sure I go there. 222 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: That probably not with the k that it's pretty cool. Guys, 223 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: thanks very much, appreciate it. To look after yourselves. Tim Wilson, 224 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: Maxim Institute, Jack Taim, hosts of Saturday Mornings and Q and. 225 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: As for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live 226 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 227 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio