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Speaker 1: So some pushback to the announcement that we're telling you

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Speaker 1: about this time yesterday over the so called citizens arrest. Basically,

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Speaker 1: any one of us will be able to stop arrest

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Speaker 1: or restrain those who we see wandering off with the

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Speaker 1: free beer or television or backing the demio through a

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Speaker 1: front door. Some We're Police Association President Chris car Hills

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Speaker 1: with us, Chris, morning.

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Speaker 2: To you, Marina, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Are we sitting ourselves on fire needlessly?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 1: The reality is this, You and I aren't going to

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Speaker 1: do this. It's really for security guards, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I mean look at dairies for instance. They

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Speaker 2: don't have security guards. They have shopkeepers and family people,

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Speaker 2: and there's going to be an expectation that they do,

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Speaker 2: especially if they're working for some boss who thinks they

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Speaker 2: should do it. But even security guards. You look at

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Speaker 2: some of these security guards, they're not really highly trained.

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Speaker 2: They're not highly equipped. So I think of police officers.

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Speaker 2: We've got all the equipment and all the training, still

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Speaker 2: get assaulted every day, some really seriously. So I don't

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Speaker 2: mean to be the humbug. I get why people think

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Speaker 2: on the facebook's good idea, But when you peel it back.

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Speaker 2: It's true risky stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the critical thing you're missing here is you

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Speaker 1: don't have to do anything about it. If you don't

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Speaker 1: feel equipped or trained, or you're behind the counter at

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Speaker 1: the dairy and you're scared for your life, you don't

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Speaker 1: going to do anything, are you. It's not forcing you

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Speaker 1: to do something, it's just giving you the option.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's easy to say that. But if

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Speaker 2: people make decisions that without all your fall tax in

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Speaker 2: front of them, and then things turn to pass. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you might think you're dealing with a forteen year old

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Speaker 2: shoplift you I'm going to deal with him. Suddenly he's

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Speaker 2: got two mates, or suddenly pulls a knife. These sorts

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Speaker 2: of things just escalate.

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Speaker 1: What about that? What about the guy's been in the news,

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Speaker 1: the poor bugger in the news who was in the

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Speaker 1: jewelry shop and went after the person without the law

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Speaker 1: got a hammer through his head. Now, if that had

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Speaker 1: happened post the law, you'd be going, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: look at the law. It's a disaster. And yet it

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Speaker 1: happened anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why it looks good on the face

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Speaker 2: of it, because we all get frustrated watching these people

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Speaker 2: walk out the door. But the challenges is it worth

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Speaker 2: the rest? I can give you the examples where people

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Speaker 2: have been seriously injured or even killed because they thought

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Speaker 2: it was a good idea to try and hold an

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Speaker 2: offender too account at the time.

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Speaker 1: But if they did it, then, if they did it,

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Speaker 1: then the law is not going to make any difference.

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Speaker 2: Is it. Well, well we'll all we'll encourage more people

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Speaker 2: to do it. I think that's my real concern, that

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Speaker 2: people will think this is what they should do. And

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Speaker 2: it's not just retail unless they change the law completely.

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Speaker 2: It's just lowering the offense. So you're going to get

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Speaker 2: people doing it with boy racers who really drive people nuts.

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Speaker 2: Well that's another you know, people with cars. It's just

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Speaker 2: another risk. I just don't think it's been thought through.

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Speaker 2: The other thing, like is trying to get the balance

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Speaker 2: of a rockery. What's reasonable is a real legal issue.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have police officers charged for renually with

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Speaker 2: assault because the people think it's been an unreasonable use

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Speaker 2: of force. Don't have a public and to keep that right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the definition from there, I think you've probably got

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Speaker 1: a very good point there. Actually, Chris will be interested

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Speaker 1: to see what they come up with. Appreciate your times always,

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Speaker 1: Chris car Hill, Police Association President. For more from the

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