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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks AB.

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Speaker 2: Horror is dominating cinema right now. The horror genre was

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Speaker 2: the biggest winner at this year's Oscars, with the film

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Speaker 2: Sinners taking a record sixteen nominations, as well as Frankenstein

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Speaker 2: and Weapons getting their respective nods, and a man who

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Speaker 2: will forever be synonymous with the genre as the character

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Speaker 2: of Free Krueger is Robert England. Although Robert has long

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Speaker 2: since hung up his fedora striped sweater and razor fingered gloves,

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Speaker 2: he's still involved in hugely influential thriller and horror projects.

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Speaker 2: He's appeared in over eighty feature films and was most

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Speaker 2: recently involved in Netflix juggernaut Stranger Things. Robert is coming

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Speaker 2: to New Zealand very soon to meet his fans at

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Speaker 2: the Armageddon Expo, and he's with us this morning. Galda,

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Well, good morning Jack.

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Speaker 2: It is great to be speaking with you ahead of

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Speaker 2: your New Zealand appearance. But I've got to start with

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Speaker 2: Halloween twenty twenty five, and it felt like, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: the universe had decent timing because Freddy Krueger got his

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Speaker 2: star on the Hollywood Walker Fame on the thirty first

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Speaker 2: of October.

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Speaker 3: How was that, Well, you know, I sort of managed

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Speaker 3: that a little bit. When I was notified that I

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Speaker 3: was going to be honored, I figured I was told

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Speaker 3: the other honorees for the year, and one of them

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Speaker 3: was John Carpenter, the great director John Carpenter, and I figured, well,

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Speaker 3: naturally John Carpenter will take the Halloween date, you know,

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Speaker 3: because of the Halloween franchise. Well he didn't. He opted

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Speaker 3: to get his star in the spring. So I said, please, sir,

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Speaker 3: you know more Porridge, I'd be happy, happy to be

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Speaker 3: honored on Halloween because it would dovetail with thematically, with

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Speaker 3: me being a horror actor. And also, we have a

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Speaker 3: tradition on Hollywood Boulevard and the adjacent West Hollywood there's

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Speaker 3: a huge Halloween parade and there's huge costume cosplay, as

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Speaker 3: we call it here in the States. People dress up

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Speaker 3: and they sort of take over the streets in that

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Speaker 3: part of town. So I knew that that festival always

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Speaker 3: goes on for Halloween. I figured it would be great

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Speaker 3: to kind of bleed no pun, intended into that with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at the time you mentioned being cemented

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Speaker 2: broaden it out from there. I think it can be

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Speaker 2: cemented into global popular culture. But when you look back,

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Speaker 2: was there a single moment that you realized Freddy had

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Speaker 2: escaped the movies and become something bigger?

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Speaker 3: Well, there was a couple, you know. I saw a

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Speaker 3: Hell's Angel in November of eighty four. I was doing

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Speaker 3: a big holiday raid for my network then NBC in Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: They were the network that I had a television show on,

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Speaker 3: and I was promoting, still promoting this hit television series.

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Speaker 3: I had a science fiction show back then called V

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Speaker 3: for visitors, and I was at the end of the parade.

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Speaker 3: I took off my little bow tie and my suspenders

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Speaker 3: that my character wore. I was sort of this malapropping

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Speaker 3: from this show. And this Hell's Angel pulled up on

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Speaker 3: of Freddie and Jason wrestling, And it went all around

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Speaker 3: were chanting Freddie, Freddy, Freddie. And I was there for

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Speaker 3: But I was in this park with a zoo at down,

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Speaker 3: knew my name. Yeah, and I literally a couple of

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Speaker 3: it's free because the Italians have a great tradition of

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Speaker 3: And that was my other inkling. You know that that

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Speaker 3: I that horror movies and science fiction projects travel. They

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Jack Time on Newstalks, he'd be I

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Speaker 2: am speaking too. Freddy Krueger himself, Robert England is here

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Speaker 2: for the Amagidoni ex bo. You know, it feels like

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Speaker 2: horror films are going through a bit of a moment

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Speaker 3: You know, well, you know, I'm so proud of Sinners

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Speaker 3: great that that happens. I know that there's a sort

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Speaker 3: horror as much as genres. But I you know, Sinners

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Speaker 3: And so many things were going on in that movie,

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Speaker 3: then it's just totally mutated into a vampire film, and

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Speaker 3: I was like, okay, sign me up. And wonderful, wonderful

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Speaker 3: So Sinners really, I think Sitters has really begun another

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Speaker 3: It's called Weapons, and it's just so original and it

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Speaker 3: performance from Ed Harris's wife, Amy Madigan. She won the

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Speaker 2: It's funny, like you say, there's a bit of a renaissance,

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Speaker 2: you trained it Rada, you did Shakespeare, So how much

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Speaker 2: of that classical background is actually in Freddy Krueger.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what that does for you when you're

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Speaker 3: And that's really frustrating too, because when you're really allowed

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Speaker 3: And I was able to change my voice, and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look at it is such a pleaser to speak.

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Speaker 2: We are so excited to have you in New Zealand, Robert,

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Speaker 2: travel safely and we look forward to seeing you in person.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much. You know, New Zealand is

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Speaker 3: my friends and I worshiped Flight of the Concords and

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Speaker 3: ferry to Davenport for an meal. Anyway, thanks for talking

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Speaker 3: with me, and I hope to see everybody at Armageddon.

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Speaker 2: We really look forward to it. Thanks so much, Robert.

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Speaker 2: You take care and we'll see you very soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Bye bye, so good.

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Speaker 2: There's Robert England aka Freddy Krueger. He will be at

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Speaker 2: Armageddon this year. All the details will be up on

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Speaker 2: the news Talks. He'd be website for.

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