1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: One of the last cabs off the ranking. The seemingly 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: never ending treaty settlements process is that of NAPOOI. The 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: group is split, has been for years, and New Zealand 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: First currently drafting a bill that requires only one settlement 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: with them. Shane Jones is with us on this shade 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: morning to you. 7 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, morning, folks, could be. 8 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: A deadline imposed. Do you remember Bolder, they had this 9 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: idea that we imposed the deadline you file your paperwork. 10 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: We sought this out once and for all, andfo we've 11 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: done that, we wouldn't be here now. Is that fair? 12 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, we've reached a point where we can no 13 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: longer afford this hamster wheel politics set gnarpool he has 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: descended into Our bill will ensure that HAPU sovereignty never 15 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: gets to mention undivided sovereignty, undivided citizenship is what I 16 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: believe in. And more importantly, we cannot pay any longer 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: after a squandered well beyond twenty million dollars on the scarpool, 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: he claim, we've tolerated cliche claptrap about sovereignty and it's 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: about time a line was laid down, and our bill 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 2: will do that. 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: Is the twenty million we've spent. Has it got us 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: anything at all? 23 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Zero people have perished. What we've ended up doing 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: with that money is rewarding consistently bad behavior where a 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: small group have actually distorted the prospects of the entire 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: North and they seem to believe they can continually rehearse 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: these arguments and there's no financial implications. Well, I'm sorry, 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: we're struggling to build the one Gerra Hospital in a 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: time frame that suits the faring and a citizens. Meanwhile, 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: we've got a tiny group up there lecturing the rest 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: of the nation and now introducing notions of sovereignty to 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: hijack the claim. Well we're not. The tax payer should 33 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: not be paying for such madness. And quite frankly, the 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: Ken of New Zealand politics Chippy waiting and saying that 35 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: he would sign a settlement that acknowledging up his sovereignty 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: on that point alone, the man should be ruled out 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: of public life forever. 38 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: If the bill comes up and passes, does that, potentially, 39 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: from the pui's point of view, mean no ideal They 40 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: won't sign it. 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: Well, we've got precedence. No one wanted to sign the 42 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: Fisheries settlement that Bulger in nineteen ninety two, and indeed 43 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: labor didn't even vote for that, So there are precedents. 44 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: I mean, how long do the taxpayers want to keep 45 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: paying money into an area that's already bleak in terms 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: of economic prospects and rewarding perverse behavior that gets actually 47 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: more in my view, in my view, dismissive of the 48 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: rest of society. At each White Hongey celebration in February. 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: Now we're bringing it to a head. There'll be no 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 2: Hapu sovereignty. There will be no more indulgence of this 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: sovereignty clap trap, and people will come into the real 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: world because the settled claims we have to use taxpayers money. 53 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: And unless you notice, that's in short supply. Mate, We've 54 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: had the Afghan War, We've had bricks that, we've had 55 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: the Iraq War, and still these muppets are arguing about 56 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: irrelevancies up home. 57 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: Just quickly, your speech last week on regional councils. I 58 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: thought you were being you, but Luxem was on the 59 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: programme yesterday. This seems real. You will scrap regional councils. 60 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: You may well cap rates as it is real. 61 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I've said all along that as the 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: Regional Development Minister, I've learned to my costs that we 63 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: do need a rationalization of local government, in particular regional government. 64 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: Obviously we have to take that issue to the next election, 65 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: but we've got our party conference coming up, but we're 66 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: going to have robust treatments that change the trajectory of 67 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: our nation. We're going to sit around indulging all of this, 68 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: all of this wocus and which is driving us broke. 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, Shane Jones, New Zealand First MP, Regional 70 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: Affairs Minister, Minister for Mining, et cetera. It does give you. 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: And this goes back to my comment yesterday just briefly 72 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: that in all the polls that have been out in 73 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, there's been a consistent performer 74 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: and it's those guys. And perhaps from what you just 75 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: heard you can see why. 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