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Speaker 2: Hello, great New Zealanders, Welcome to Mattain Tyler Full Show

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Speaker 2: Podcast number three one eight for the thirtieth of March.

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Speaker 2: It's a Monday and boy wide raanching show, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: In the end, I found that whole chat about the

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Speaker 2: whole system with beggage handlers and how they've been smuggling

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Speaker 2: up to fifty kg's of methanphetamine in through our airports,

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Speaker 2: organized allegedly by gang members behind bars with smuggled and

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Speaker 2: cell phones. Talked to Jared Savage's about as fantastic artic climate. Man.

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Speaker 2: That's the last topic we talked about on the show.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's so complicated and interesting.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people in the know, apparently a

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Speaker 3: lot of phone calls saying it's really easy to get

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Speaker 3: a phone in prison, drugies, whatever you want, beggage handlers,

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Speaker 3: no props.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Great show, So download, subscribe and us a great review.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. The kids, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons with Shoder News Talk said, be very.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Welcome into Monday. I hope you

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Speaker 3: had a great weekend. Thanks very much for joining us, Matt.

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Speaker 3: How you doing.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic weekends for me? How good lin Lawson coming through

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Speaker 2: with all that all that British bias on the commentary

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Speaker 2: and the only mentioning racing bills of Linn bladders in there,

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Speaker 2: and then just Liam, you're just such a champion.

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Speaker 3: Yep, made me feel good.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know how we talk a lot in this

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Speaker 2: show about social media being bad, and we talk about

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Speaker 2: the and certification of the world and talk about people

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Speaker 2: being terminally online.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we do it a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: There is a really good side to stay YouTube. Particularly.

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Speaker 2: I spent the weekend just I got dragged down a

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Speaker 2: sperm whale hole and I just didn't know how amazing

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Speaker 2: sperm whales are. And there's there's just so much to

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Speaker 2: research and and and learn about sperm whales. The ahpix

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Speaker 2: predator of the ocean. You know, you think it's you

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Speaker 2: think it's Kellor whales. Yeah, it's sperm whales. And there

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Speaker 2: they're sonar. I think it's called this sperm a city

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Speaker 2: organ makes such a loud, clicking noise that they can

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Speaker 2: basically stun a giant, a giant you know, a giant

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Speaker 2: squid with it. Who they Yeah, and they go. They

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Speaker 2: go deep, deeper than any mammal into the water. They

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Speaker 2: can go. They can go two and a half kilometers

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Speaker 2: under the water. A sperm whale. Their lungs just collapse

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Speaker 2: and you know, they sleep like stone hinge under the water.

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Speaker 2: They make a noise so loud that it would immediately

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Speaker 2: basically crush your skull if you were in front of it,

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Speaker 2: if you're a human.

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Speaker 3: Oh look a superhero.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they come into an area and every single thing

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Speaker 2: in the ocean is terrified because they fire off the

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Speaker 2: sonar that's so loud. It tells them everything about everything

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Speaker 2: in the area. Incredibly social animals, they're just the apex credators, predators.

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Speaker 2: So there is a lot to gain from from YouTube.

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Speaker 2: So I just I just I just want to temper

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Speaker 2: that because we spend a little last yek week just

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Speaker 2: like railing against the Internet and railing against social media.

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Speaker 3: You just got to find the good stuff. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: like you, you went knee deep into the sperm whale

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Speaker 3: that's the good stuff. That's the little bit of gold

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Speaker 2: And each group of sperm whales in the different area

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Speaker 3: Well they got accents. So the Norwegian sperm whale sonars

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell the difference between them. They're incredible,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got the name of the docco or you

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Speaker 2: I watched so many different doccos and so many marine

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Speaker 3: I feel like I wasted my weekends. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: into today's show after three o'clock. A great investigation by

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Speaker 2: So you lock someone up, right, you take away their freedom,

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Speaker 3: Unreal, isn't it. Yeah, it's like a movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and how infiltrated Our airports are twenty twenty If

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know what percentage that is, but it's

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Speaker 3: it feels like a good percentage that has been compromised

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that may be why fuel prices are incredibly

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So we're going to have a chat to

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Speaker 3: Jared Savage himself looking forward to that after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: The upcoming Auckland Travel Show is betting on a shift

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Speaker 3: in Kiwi spinning habits with more people. They reckon choosing

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Speaker 3: There is strong demand, they say, for holidays, prioritizing experiences

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Speaker 3: broader modern mindset. People want or are increasingly valuing those

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Speaker 3: life experiences over something like redoing the kitchen. Hedonic adaptation, right,

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Speaker 3: So if you redo the kitchen, you'll be happy briefly

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Speaker 3: won't really enjoy it anymore. The joy is short lived

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Speaker 2: That money on a holiday, and people say that's a

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Speaker 2: bad investment because the kitchen upgrades the quality of your

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Speaker 2: house and the resale value of your house. Right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: your memory to be a very important part of your life. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So you may miss out on ever seeing much you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to your thoughts on that after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about politics and relationships.

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Speaker 3: A recent article in The Sunday Times over in the

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Speaker 3: an ideological mindfield, where political beliefs can matter just as

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Speaker 3: to the author, with differences and opinions seen less as

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Speaker 3: And at the same time, a growing political gap between

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so more and more young people are refusing to

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Speaker 2: date people who don't agree with them politically, which massively

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Speaker 2: and men historically lean more right it, yes, but this

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Speaker 2: sure if anyone's done an investigation here, but in this

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 2: So in a world where people struggle to find a

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Speaker 2: more lonely people who put that other caveat on them.

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Speaker 2: So you're already sort of socially isolated, but then you're

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Speaker 2: dating pool. They have to agree with you plitically, when

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Speaker 2: if they got together, they may have had a great

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Speaker 2: kind of middle ground that is closer to the truth

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Speaker 2: they own politics, They don't have to. They don't have

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Speaker 2: to talk politics much at the time. But a relationship

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Speaker 2: is having someone you respect that you reckon with right

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Speaker 2: understand them across a number of issues. Politics would be

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Speaker 2: be a small part of it, But any relationship, there's

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Speaker 2: So I'll just be interested. Is it possible to be

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Speaker 2: You know? And one hundred and eighty teen to eighty

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Speaker 2: Do you vote differently?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Do you do?

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Speaker 2: You vote differently from your partner? Do you even know

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Speaker 2: my partner doesn't know how I vote, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know how she votes. Totally private politics is something we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, But I actually agree with that that

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Speaker 3: because it doesn't really matter. We can have robust discussions,

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Speaker 3: I do on a lot of issues, But that to

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Speaker 3: and saying right, Tyler, tell me how you're going to vote,

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Speaker 3: I just wouldn't say. I just don't think that is

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Speaker 3: something she needs to necessarily know.

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Speaker 2: The only reason why you might need to find out

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Speaker 2: which way your partner votes, because if she's voting opposite

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Speaker 2: lot of time on And I'm voting that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's have our Saturday morning to ourselves. But what

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Speaker 3: do you say? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: share your views? The text number is nine two nine

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 3: You're doing a hard job the Minister of Finance at

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Speaker 7: Yeah, or we share a Minister of discipline.

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Speaker 3: Though, I'll bet you do. Terry thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I sometimes talk politics with my mates, but

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Speaker 3: It's good. Can we give it a say? Can you

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Speaker 3: put that stuff right at the top of the text,

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Speaker 2: Parthol Horatio. I think his name was never aligned politically

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Speaker 2: with my partner, says LAMB. I lean right and they

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Speaker 3: I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 2: I would leave my partner if she voted for the Green,

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, full noise if you like that text to

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Speaker 3: buy all means give us a buzz I eight one

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to do in those calls is Putney zeal

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Speaker 9: There's still eighty percent of the oil out there. Can

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Speaker 2: The question is a logistical supply chain one.

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Speaker 10: That's what I'm thinking is what will cause ultimately our

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Speaker 11: Ready to deal with.

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Speaker 9: Back tomorrow at six am The Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 9: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Twenty six pas one can a relationship work if you

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Speaker 3: don't agree politically? I want one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 2: The sixth is my husband voted for Winston Peter's because

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Speaker 2: voting for Winston Peter because he had a nice smile.

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Speaker 3: Does have a nice smile still does? I think very

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Speaker 2: She was saying that. I think she was just trying

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Speaker 3: There was some good relationship band to write.

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Speaker 2: My wife and I voted very opposite one vote Greens

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Speaker 2: we're divorced, go for it.

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Speaker 3: Quite work out.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's my you know, here we go. This

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tayler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. So we have asked the question,

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Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty, how does it

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is that number? Plenty of texts

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Speaker 3: coming through. Here's a very nice one. Goodday guys. Until

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Speaker 3: recently I swore I would never listen to talkback radio,

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Speaker 3: but I gotta say I am loving it.

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Speaker 4: Matt.

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Speaker 3: I was a big fan of yours on Hodaki, and

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Speaker 3: it's good to see you have brought your great sense

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Speaker 3: of humor and your passion for continual learning and life

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Speaker 3: in general. Loving the show, guys. Thanks, that is good

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Speaker 3: on a Monday. That is some good stuff right there.

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Speaker 2: I'll bless you, thanks for tuning in. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 2: my husband voted right when I met him. I made

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Speaker 2: it a deal breaker. Vote read or no bid?

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, read no bed.

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Speaker 2: I like that he has since been to labor meetings

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Speaker 2: What does he do in the booth when you're not around.

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Speaker 3: Shragging the poor bug into political meetings? I mean Jesus,

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Speaker 3: no bit. It's a campaign slogan right there.

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Speaker 2: it would be over. It would mean he isn't logical

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Speaker 2: and that he hates poor people. I can do better anyway.

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Speaker 2: You sound nice, cheap. I can do better anyway. What

440
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Speaker 2: don't you do better?

441
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Good luck to you out there?

442
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Speaker 2: Could be better. Is that a quote from a Is

443
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Speaker 2: that a Beyonce song? I think maybe it is a

444
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Speaker 2: man in a minute?

445
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Speaker 3: Yep, you know, I mean Beyonce has got a lot

446
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Speaker 3: to answer for. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

447
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Speaker 3: she you'll views get a Peter.

448
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Speaker 13: Know, gentlemen, you're a little story for you fucking England.

449
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Speaker 13: It's a manroal junction. There was a doctor's house where

450
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Speaker 13: he had his surgery and they lived there. He and

451
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Speaker 13: his wife come local elections, national elections. There were two

452
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Speaker 13: different political versions forsters banners and goodness knows what around

453
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Speaker 13: the garden and there's a pleasure of the lizard with

454
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Speaker 13: one boating for one side and one boat him for

455
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Speaker 13: the other.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And so.

457
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Speaker 13: It goes into the world I mean doctor surgery. Enough

458
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Speaker 13: people saw them there, but a number of traffic see

459
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Speaker 13: that there was a dispiltan politics.

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Speaker 2: That's a great story. Where they were they being respectful

461
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Speaker 2: where they put each other's banners, they were were putting

462
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Speaker 2: banners in front of each other. They were they were

463
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Speaker 2: giving each other no.

464
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Speaker 13: Just about that. They were close together.

465
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Speaker 2: That's that's awesome. Ever that scene and they're still together,

466
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Speaker 2: they remain together and they're putting up banners on the

467
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Speaker 2: on the driveway, on the hoardings on them.

468
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they turned that into a bit of a competition.

469
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your Corpeter.

470
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Speaker 2: Did you see that? It was on the bill ma

471
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Speaker 2: prop Podcasts Club Random and they had that stand by

472
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Speaker 2: me at the Jerry O'Connell on there right, Yes, And

473
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Speaker 2: he was talking about how he before the last American elections,

474
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Speaker 2: his wife and his two sort of late teen daughters,

475
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Speaker 2: and he said, oh, well, Carmela should have the Democratic

476
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Speaker 2: Party should have had a primary, you know, if they're

477
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Speaker 2: going to talk about democracy. And he said, they physically

478
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Speaker 2: attacked him, Like they actually physically jumped on him and

479
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Speaker 2: attacked him. That is some angerishes he was saying that.

480
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Speaker 2: Bill Mayer, he was saying, you know, I live in California.

481
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Speaker 2: I can't even I've got to be very careful here.

482
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Speaker 2: I got attacked to my own house having an opinion

483
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Speaker 2: different from the rest of my family.

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. What does political

485
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Speaker 3: chat look like in your household? Does it really matter

486
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Speaker 3: if you and your partner think differently? And how do

487
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Speaker 3: you deal with it when it comes to the kids

488
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Speaker 3: as well?

489
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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, easily talk to my partner about politics and

490
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Speaker 2: we don't always have the same views. Have big conversations

491
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Speaker 2: with my adult son and we differ on many things.

492
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Speaker 2: But see the same problems if I accidentally talk politics

493
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Speaker 2: with either of my adult daughters, they just say Dad,

494
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Speaker 2: please don't, please don't.

495
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Speaker 3: Let's just go back on to that Bill Maher episode

496
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Speaker 3: with that actor. That's a hard part in some families. Writers.

497
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Speaker 3: If you are out gone, so you might think a

498
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Speaker 3: bit differently, but the rest of the family are together

499
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Speaker 3: in the way that they think. Politically, that's a tough

500
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Speaker 3: position to be in because you want to join the

501
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Speaker 3: conversation and raise your different point of view. But then

502
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Speaker 3: when it's five against one, that becomes very difficult for

503
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Speaker 3: that person. Yeah, but that text.

504
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Speaker 2: Before it's an interesting one, isn't it. Because it's your

505
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Speaker 2: job of across your relationship to change the person such

506
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Speaker 2: as they're the same as you, or to forge a

507
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Speaker 2: relationship with someone such that you create a different life

508
00:24:04,493 --> 00:24:06,573
Speaker 2: that's equal parts you and equal parts.

509
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Speaker 3: Then yeah, I always think it's better if you think

510
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Speaker 3: differently politically, that it's far healthier for the relationship that

511
00:24:13,053 --> 00:24:14,973
Speaker 3: if you get challenged that the way that you think

512
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Speaker 3: you've got someone in your life that sees hang on

513
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Speaker 3: a minute, I think you're talking absolute crap. And here's

514
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Speaker 3: why dot dot dot dot dot. And then if they

515
00:24:22,733 --> 00:24:26,053
Speaker 3: can change the barometer, my barometer a little bit, to me,

516
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Speaker 3: that's a good thing because I'm thinking outside of of

517
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Speaker 3: what I you know, normally normally think or the information

518
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Speaker 3: that I receive. As someone gives me a new way

519
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Speaker 3: to think, I'm like, hey, actually you've got a valid

520
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Speaker 3: point there. I still think you're a looney, but you've

521
00:24:39,573 --> 00:24:40,533
Speaker 3: got a valid point.

522
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Speaker 2: What I would never want to be. And every one

523
00:24:43,693 --> 00:24:45,453
Speaker 2: of a lot of us have this in us, and

524
00:24:45,493 --> 00:24:47,773
Speaker 2: we could see easily us easily becoming this. But the

525
00:24:47,773 --> 00:24:51,133
Speaker 2: person that sits in front of the TV and just

526
00:24:51,493 --> 00:24:54,653
Speaker 2: yells at every political thing that comes on and makes

527
00:24:54,693 --> 00:24:57,293
Speaker 2: everyone feel uncomfortable because you get increasingly angry as you

528
00:24:57,333 --> 00:24:59,173
Speaker 2: yell at the TV because you're so angry at the

529
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Speaker 2: people there.

530
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Speaker 3: Yes, and so you.

531
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Speaker 2: Make people's lives more tense at home, yes, and unenjoyable

532
00:25:06,773 --> 00:25:09,333
Speaker 2: for other people, just because you're so ang worry about politics. Yeah,

533
00:25:09,373 --> 00:25:12,333
Speaker 2: that's a horrible person to be that the people live

534
00:25:12,333 --> 00:25:14,973
Speaker 2: in fear of anything political coming on the TV because

535
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Speaker 2: you start yelling at the television.

536
00:25:17,573 --> 00:25:19,733
Speaker 3: Don't be one of those guys. Oh eight hundred eighty

537
00:25:19,773 --> 00:25:20,853
Speaker 3: ten eighty is in number.

538
00:25:20,613 --> 00:25:23,093
Speaker 2: To call my wife and I cancel each other's vote.

539
00:25:23,413 --> 00:25:26,293
Speaker 2: Says this textas year is read and read, and I

540
00:25:26,373 --> 00:25:31,333
Speaker 2: am blue and yellow. Politically is very red. Really discussed.

541
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Speaker 2: Politics is very really discussed. Happy wife for a happy life? Yeah?

542
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Speaker 3: Nice? End to that one nine two niney two. Is

543
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Speaker 3: that text number you're listening to news talks there? B

544
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Speaker 3: It is twenty two to two.

545
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Speaker 1: Have a chat with Matt and Tyler on Oh eight

546
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

547
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Speaker 1: afternoons with Skoda. Can you crank the scoder?

548
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Speaker 3: Code us talk z'd be afternoon twenty two to two.

549
00:25:52,813 --> 00:25:57,133
Speaker 3: So do opposing political beliefs matter in a relationship? Tell

550
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Speaker 3: us your story I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty

551
00:25:59,013 --> 00:26:00,813
Speaker 3: or you can text nine two ninety two.

552
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Speaker 2: Not partners is ann But my best friend and I

553
00:26:03,133 --> 00:26:05,333
Speaker 2: are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Forty five

554
00:26:05,413 --> 00:26:07,293
Speaker 2: years and plenty of discussions but no falling out. And

555
00:26:07,893 --> 00:26:11,693
Speaker 2: I meet my high school mates for lunch every Saturday.

556
00:26:11,813 --> 00:26:14,733
Speaker 2: We've been buddies since high school. Yep, great guys.

557
00:26:14,813 --> 00:26:15,173
Speaker 3: Nice.

558
00:26:15,293 --> 00:26:16,973
Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever brought up politics.

559
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Speaker 14: Mm.

560
00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:18,453
Speaker 2: We talk a lot of sport.

561
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Speaker 3: Yep.

562
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Speaker 2: We say some of the most disgusting stuff you've ever heard.

563
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Speaker 3: I bet we do.

564
00:26:25,093 --> 00:26:27,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, terrible, but I don't think we've ever brought up politics.

565
00:26:27,813 --> 00:26:29,573
Speaker 2: I don't even know what any of their politics would be.

566
00:26:29,613 --> 00:26:31,053
Speaker 2: And I would have known them since high school.

567
00:26:31,053 --> 00:26:33,093
Speaker 3: Well I have, Yeah, I think. I mean, it's not

568
00:26:33,173 --> 00:26:35,613
Speaker 3: something that most fellas would bring up. If you if

569
00:26:35,653 --> 00:26:36,293
Speaker 3: you're catching up.

570
00:26:36,253 --> 00:26:38,773
Speaker 2: With funny, if it's funny, yeah, if it's funny, you

571
00:26:38,853 --> 00:26:40,333
Speaker 2: might bring it up. If you can get it. If

572
00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:42,173
Speaker 2: it's a joke, yep, but it's not.

573
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Speaker 15: I don't know.

574
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Speaker 2: I just don't really have those kinds of conversations.

575
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Speaker 3: Yeah, undred eighty ten eighty is number to call. Get

576
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Speaker 3: a Layton.

577
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Speaker 8: Yeah, good a Japs, How are you very good?

578
00:26:51,773 --> 00:26:53,333
Speaker 7: What's your thoughts?

579
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Speaker 8: Actually, well, many years ago went out kids first got

580
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Speaker 8: an ah to bake. We had three of them, and

581
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Speaker 8: we're sitting around the dinner tables around about the mid

582
00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:02,373
Speaker 8: two thousands. I can't remember where it was. I did radio,

583
00:27:02,773 --> 00:27:04,413
Speaker 8: and act was coming up. Who do you like? Why

584
00:27:04,413 --> 00:27:04,853
Speaker 8: do you like?

585
00:27:05,413 --> 00:27:05,532
Speaker 16: You?

586
00:27:05,853 --> 00:27:07,653
Speaker 8: Go through all of it and pieces they shat there

587
00:27:07,653 --> 00:27:09,813
Speaker 8: and we're talking length about what they thought was the

588
00:27:09,893 --> 00:27:11,613
Speaker 8: right person, live party and the rest of it. Then

589
00:27:11,613 --> 00:27:13,373
Speaker 8: at the means of the meal, I said, right, this

590
00:27:13,533 --> 00:27:15,813
Speaker 8: is who you're voting for. Go down there and you're

591
00:27:15,853 --> 00:27:17,853
Speaker 8: voting to this candidate, this party, and so there was

592
00:27:17,893 --> 00:27:19,773
Speaker 8: lots of screaming and shouting and how do you it

593
00:27:19,893 --> 00:27:22,413
Speaker 8: was a democracy? I said to him, you just expect

594
00:27:22,413 --> 00:27:25,413
Speaker 8: your democratic and clueing. You're learning under my house. What's

595
00:27:25,453 --> 00:27:27,373
Speaker 8: good for your mother and I at the moment is

596
00:27:27,693 --> 00:27:31,293
Speaker 8: good for you. And when you're paying taxes you can

597
00:27:31,373 --> 00:27:32,053
Speaker 8: vote over how.

598
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Speaker 3: Do you like? Wow?

599
00:27:34,373 --> 00:27:36,333
Speaker 2: And what was the what was the reaction to that?

600
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Speaker 17: Late?

601
00:27:37,413 --> 00:27:39,853
Speaker 8: Well, they also look sideways back Man says, how will

602
00:27:39,853 --> 00:27:41,853
Speaker 8: you know? I said, trust me, I know people.

603
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Speaker 2: I mean, there is anyway there is, even though that

604
00:27:47,653 --> 00:27:49,613
Speaker 2: you're joking, there is kind of a logic about that.

605
00:27:49,733 --> 00:27:55,733
Speaker 2: So you're if you're paying the mortgage and and everyone

606
00:27:56,093 --> 00:27:58,253
Speaker 2: that isn't paying the mortgages living in your house votes,

607
00:27:59,173 --> 00:28:01,173
Speaker 2: and it's such a way that the mortgage is going

608
00:28:01,253 --> 00:28:04,532
Speaker 2: to be harder to pay. Yeah, then you maybe you

609
00:28:04,573 --> 00:28:06,853
Speaker 2: do have an argument to run a campaign in your house.

610
00:28:06,893 --> 00:28:09,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, you vote the way I tell you vote or else, Lady,

611
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, George. What's your thoughts?

612
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Speaker 18: I love that one. I was just thinking I'd love

613
00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:19,013
Speaker 18: to be a fly on the wall. When he was

614
00:28:19,053 --> 00:28:25,253
Speaker 18: explaining why he was speeding to a new rookie cop. Yeah, exactly,

615
00:28:27,253 --> 00:28:31,253
Speaker 18: and why he shouldn't get a ticket. I love it anyway,

616
00:28:32,253 --> 00:28:35,013
Speaker 18: due to democracy being what it is. And I know

617
00:28:35,093 --> 00:28:37,653
Speaker 18: this will tickle your brain cells because you've got lots

618
00:28:37,693 --> 00:28:42,933
Speaker 18: of them. Your vote is worth two votes. M hmm,

619
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Speaker 18: you carry on because it takes another person's vote to

620
00:28:48,053 --> 00:28:48,813
Speaker 18: neutralize it.

621
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Speaker 16: Yeah, right, And then it.

622
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Speaker 18: Takes another person's vote to go past the fact of

623
00:28:54,213 --> 00:28:58,013
Speaker 18: your vote. So when you go and vote, it takes

624
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Speaker 18: two people to get rid of your Vote's one way

625
00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:04,093
Speaker 18: to look at it. And that's really good because it

626
00:29:04,093 --> 00:29:05,453
Speaker 18: makes your vote feel so good.

627
00:29:06,813 --> 00:29:06,973
Speaker 1: Yea.

628
00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:11,013
Speaker 18: And the lumber of people that don't vote is really

629
00:29:11,053 --> 00:29:13,253
Speaker 18: cool because it makes mine last much longer.

630
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Speaker 19: Yep.

631
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Speaker 2: Fair enough to George, Thanks for you call, George. Hey, guys,

632
00:29:18,533 --> 00:29:20,493
Speaker 2: how does it never come up in conversation For those

633
00:29:20,533 --> 00:29:23,173
Speaker 2: with a partner who don't know how they vote? There

634
00:29:23,253 --> 00:29:25,253
Speaker 2: is stuff in the news every day. Do they not

635
00:29:25,253 --> 00:29:27,493
Speaker 2: comment on it? Discuss leading up to the election day?

636
00:29:27,693 --> 00:29:28,893
Speaker 2: Do they just talk about the weather?

637
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Speaker 16: Lol?

638
00:29:29,373 --> 00:29:33,693
Speaker 2: Christine, Yeah, I mean you can have discussions about things

639
00:29:33,733 --> 00:29:37,213
Speaker 2: and what you think about it, but actually saying who

640
00:29:37,293 --> 00:29:41,973
Speaker 2: you're going to vote for or then you know, thinking

641
00:29:42,053 --> 00:29:45,653
Speaker 2: less of them or I mean this all comes around

642
00:29:45,693 --> 00:29:47,773
Speaker 2: from the idea that people won't even date someone at

643
00:29:47,773 --> 00:29:51,293
Speaker 2: the start that's from a different political view. Yes, yeah, yeah,

644
00:29:51,373 --> 00:29:53,053
Speaker 2: I mean I think you can have a discussion about

645
00:29:53,093 --> 00:29:57,813
Speaker 2: things generally without going who did you vote for?

646
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

647
00:29:58,493 --> 00:30:00,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just think it's a private thing. I mean,

648
00:30:01,253 --> 00:30:04,133
Speaker 3: whatever way may have decides to vote on November seventh,

649
00:30:04,333 --> 00:30:06,813
Speaker 3: I couldn't care less. You know, that's her decision to make,

650
00:30:07,093 --> 00:30:08,813
Speaker 3: and as you say, it's not going to be make

651
00:30:08,893 --> 00:30:11,213
Speaker 3: me think less of her if I find out she

652
00:30:11,293 --> 00:30:13,893
Speaker 3: votes for a party I don't agree with. That's kind

653
00:30:13,893 --> 00:30:15,613
Speaker 3: of her decision to make, and i'd expect the same

654
00:30:15,653 --> 00:30:19,773
Speaker 3: in return. But again, you know, the disagreements within a household,

655
00:30:19,773 --> 00:30:22,333
Speaker 3: to me is kind of is a healthier way to

656
00:30:22,373 --> 00:30:25,693
Speaker 3: look at it in my view. This Texas says, Yet, hey, guys,

657
00:30:26,933 --> 00:30:29,453
Speaker 3: I don't know which way the wife votes. She has

658
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Speaker 3: probably told me, But I have a bad case of

659
00:30:31,493 --> 00:30:33,653
Speaker 3: selective hearing. As long as I don't bring it up,

660
00:30:33,693 --> 00:30:35,413
Speaker 3: I won't get into trouble for not listening.

661
00:30:35,493 --> 00:30:38,573
Speaker 2: That's from Nathan. Yeah, fair enough to this Textas says

662
00:30:38,853 --> 00:30:41,693
Speaker 2: Winston Churchill once said I would expect most people under

663
00:30:41,693 --> 00:30:43,933
Speaker 2: the age of thirty five to be liberal minded. If, however,

664
00:30:44,213 --> 00:30:46,853
Speaker 2: they are still liberal later in life, I should show

665
00:30:46,893 --> 00:30:49,773
Speaker 2: you a full if you are not liberal minded when

666
00:30:49,813 --> 00:30:52,093
Speaker 2: you're young. I think the quote is you have no heart.

667
00:30:52,173 --> 00:30:54,173
Speaker 2: If you are not a conservative when you are old,

668
00:30:54,253 --> 00:30:56,933
Speaker 2: you have no brain. That is like a lot of

669
00:30:56,973 --> 00:31:01,133
Speaker 2: quotes attributed to Winston Churchill. I'm not sure if he

670
00:31:01,173 --> 00:31:03,053
Speaker 2: said it. Do you know what's interesting when they actually

671
00:31:03,253 --> 00:31:06,013
Speaker 2: work out what leads people to be conservative, it's not

672
00:31:06,093 --> 00:31:08,733
Speaker 2: so much age. It's having children.

673
00:31:08,933 --> 00:31:09,133
Speaker 20: Yep.

674
00:31:09,253 --> 00:31:13,413
Speaker 2: So the biggest factor in someone becoming more conservative is.

675
00:31:14,213 --> 00:31:15,693
Speaker 3: Children, right? And why is that?

676
00:31:16,213 --> 00:31:16,373
Speaker 2: Ah?

677
00:31:16,893 --> 00:31:17,853
Speaker 3: I guess you.

678
00:31:18,533 --> 00:31:22,093
Speaker 2: Have more skin in the games, so you want things

679
00:31:22,093 --> 00:31:24,653
Speaker 2: to be more stable before you have children. You know,

680
00:31:25,293 --> 00:31:28,773
Speaker 2: you might be more willing to shake things up.

681
00:31:29,053 --> 00:31:29,253
Speaker 3: Yep.

682
00:31:29,413 --> 00:31:36,213
Speaker 2: But conservative politics, you know, supporting institutions and and you

683
00:31:36,253 --> 00:31:40,373
Speaker 2: know conservative fiscal policy becomes more attractive to people once

684
00:31:40,413 --> 00:31:40,933
Speaker 2: they have kids.

685
00:31:41,013 --> 00:31:44,053
Speaker 3: So also the element that maybe you know, when you

686
00:31:44,053 --> 00:31:47,333
Speaker 3: have kids and you start to realize that the government

687
00:31:47,933 --> 00:31:50,733
Speaker 3: is not going to save you, that it's up to

688
00:31:50,813 --> 00:31:53,933
Speaker 3: you to try and save yourself. That the ability when

689
00:31:54,013 --> 00:31:57,373
Speaker 3: kids come along. Obviously you're thinking outside of just yourself.

690
00:31:57,773 --> 00:31:59,853
Speaker 3: And if you live long enough and you realize, right,

691
00:31:59,893 --> 00:32:02,133
Speaker 3: the government hasn't saved me much in my life. The

692
00:32:02,173 --> 00:32:04,453
Speaker 3: only thing that saved me is working hard and doing

693
00:32:04,453 --> 00:32:07,293
Speaker 3: what I need to do personal responsibility. Then that starts

694
00:32:07,333 --> 00:32:10,213
Speaker 3: to shift you a little bit more conservative rather than

695
00:32:10,253 --> 00:32:13,413
Speaker 3: the left way of thinking, which arguably is that the

696
00:32:13,413 --> 00:32:15,533
Speaker 3: government there is a safety need and they have levers

697
00:32:15,573 --> 00:32:18,853
Speaker 3: to pull, whereas conservative is more it's up to you

698
00:32:19,773 --> 00:32:21,173
Speaker 3: to try and make a good life for yourself.

699
00:32:21,253 --> 00:32:22,933
Speaker 2: Do you think it's a coincidence that there's left and

700
00:32:23,013 --> 00:32:26,853
Speaker 2: right that that have those two views, and maybe that

701
00:32:27,013 --> 00:32:30,413
Speaker 2: is the eternal battle between the two and the middle

702
00:32:30,453 --> 00:32:34,253
Speaker 2: ground is a middle ground and once in direction is

703
00:32:34,293 --> 00:32:36,533
Speaker 2: actually the right path to take. And that's why we

704
00:32:36,573 --> 00:32:40,533
Speaker 2: have left and right politics that it's this battle because

705
00:32:40,933 --> 00:32:44,053
Speaker 2: you know, complete libertarianism isn't great when your house is

706
00:32:44,053 --> 00:32:46,133
Speaker 2: on fire. Right, Yes, you have to live a negated

707
00:32:46,173 --> 00:32:47,853
Speaker 2: village and put out your own files, all those kind

708
00:32:47,893 --> 00:32:50,573
Speaker 2: of things, you know. Yeah, but if a complete government

709
00:32:50,733 --> 00:32:55,133
Speaker 2: is the horrors of Stalin and Mao. Right, Yeah, So

710
00:32:55,173 --> 00:32:58,773
Speaker 2: when the government completely takes control, it's it's horrible. It's

711
00:32:58,773 --> 00:33:01,893
Speaker 2: somewhere somewhere to get to right. Yeah, So maybe that's

712
00:33:02,093 --> 00:33:04,973
Speaker 2: and maybe that's supposed to be the battle and relationships

713
00:33:05,013 --> 00:33:05,373
Speaker 2: as well.

714
00:33:05,893 --> 00:33:08,253
Speaker 3: But the thing's a fair analogy, and so across.

715
00:33:07,933 --> 00:33:10,453
Speaker 2: Time and have tended to be a little bit left

716
00:33:10,773 --> 00:33:12,293
Speaker 2: and men have tended to be a little bit right,

717
00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:15,613
Speaker 2: and somewhere they find a way through. That means that

718
00:33:15,653 --> 00:33:18,413
Speaker 2: you can bring up upstanding children into the world.

719
00:33:18,493 --> 00:33:21,293
Speaker 3: Sounds healthy to me. Oh, eight hundred just the theory.

720
00:33:21,373 --> 00:33:21,573
Speaker 20: Yeah.

721
00:33:21,573 --> 00:33:23,893
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

722
00:33:24,013 --> 00:33:25,693
Speaker 3: It is twelve minutes to two.

723
00:33:27,053 --> 00:33:30,253
Speaker 1: Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight

724
00:33:30,333 --> 00:33:33,133
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tylor Adams.

725
00:33:33,293 --> 00:33:37,853
Speaker 3: Afternoons News Talks EDB, News Talks, EDB. It is ten

726
00:33:37,973 --> 00:33:41,493
Speaker 3: to two. So camp politics get in the way of romance.

727
00:33:41,773 --> 00:33:43,653
Speaker 3: And if you think differently to your partner, how do

728
00:33:43,693 --> 00:33:45,373
Speaker 3: you work it in your home? Oh, eight hundred eighty

729
00:33:45,453 --> 00:33:46,813
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call if you want

730
00:33:46,853 --> 00:33:49,253
Speaker 3: to send a text. Nine two nine to two is

731
00:33:49,373 --> 00:33:53,413
Speaker 3: that text number? A couple of texts coming through. Hey guys,

732
00:33:53,453 --> 00:33:55,133
Speaker 3: I used to be with someone for nine years who

733
00:33:55,213 --> 00:33:57,693
Speaker 3: wasn't at all a bad person. Opposites may attract, but

734
00:33:57,773 --> 00:33:59,973
Speaker 3: in the end it can wear you down. She voted

735
00:33:59,973 --> 00:34:02,853
Speaker 3: for labor because just Sinda had a smiley face. That

736
00:34:03,173 --> 00:34:07,493
Speaker 3: was one of three final straws for me. That's from

737
00:34:07,653 --> 00:34:11,133
Speaker 3: John in this one high met entiler re politics and partnerships.

738
00:34:11,133 --> 00:34:14,253
Speaker 3: All politicians and all such supporters, inclusive of all voters

739
00:34:14,293 --> 00:34:18,573
Speaker 3: should be institutionalized long term in mental confinement. This is

740
00:34:18,733 --> 00:34:24,133
Speaker 3: because they're all delusional and based upon those who are

741
00:34:24,133 --> 00:34:27,053
Speaker 3: harmed to themselves or others. That's from Rob. Keep those

742
00:34:27,053 --> 00:34:30,093
Speaker 3: texts coming through A nine two ninety two. Dean, what's

743
00:34:30,133 --> 00:34:30,773
Speaker 3: your take on this?

744
00:34:32,053 --> 00:34:34,133
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, look, I basically what.

745
00:34:34,253 --> 00:34:37,652
Speaker 21: Made me ring was those two texts said by I

746
00:34:37,773 --> 00:34:40,773
Speaker 21: forget the exact wording that either it's not if you're

747
00:34:40,813 --> 00:34:43,013
Speaker 21: not read, you're not in bed or something.

748
00:34:42,773 --> 00:34:45,172
Speaker 2: Like that, vote read or no bed.

749
00:34:46,013 --> 00:34:46,212
Speaker 7: Yes.

750
00:34:47,213 --> 00:34:52,253
Speaker 21: Look, it's always just found in me that people they

751
00:34:52,253 --> 00:34:56,293
Speaker 21: don't care, they don't really don't look at at policies

752
00:34:56,373 --> 00:35:00,293
Speaker 21: or that's no one's procedures. They just vote. That's the

753
00:35:00,293 --> 00:35:02,773
Speaker 21: way they've voted, and that's the way they'll always vote.

754
00:35:02,933 --> 00:35:07,453
Speaker 21: I mean very we're very tribal in this country, and

755
00:35:07,733 --> 00:35:11,733
Speaker 21: I just think that people should look at what's good

756
00:35:11,813 --> 00:35:14,653
Speaker 21: for the country. Not it's good for them, but what's

757
00:35:14,693 --> 00:35:17,253
Speaker 21: good for the country was long term that will be

758
00:35:17,293 --> 00:35:18,293
Speaker 21: good for them.

759
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:21,933
Speaker 3: Do you think we were always that tribal, Dean, Yeah,

760
00:35:21,933 --> 00:35:22,253
Speaker 3: well I.

761
00:35:22,253 --> 00:35:25,533
Speaker 21: Do, and I and I actually understand why. I know,

762
00:35:25,653 --> 00:35:29,333
Speaker 21: I know, like I came from a very strong labor family.

763
00:35:30,653 --> 00:35:34,293
Speaker 21: My father, Woul was a warfee and you know, basically

764
00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:38,212
Speaker 21: hated the National Party with the lockouts and things like that.

765
00:35:39,453 --> 00:35:42,693
Speaker 21: So I I see that, and I mean, you know,

766
00:35:45,133 --> 00:35:47,733
Speaker 21: but I you know, I've voted labor in the past,

767
00:35:47,773 --> 00:35:51,093
Speaker 21: and I may vote for labor in the future, but

768
00:35:51,373 --> 00:35:53,933
Speaker 21: you know, at the moment, I vote National and I'm

769
00:35:54,013 --> 00:35:57,773
Speaker 21: leaning towards that. But the thing is that if I

770
00:35:57,813 --> 00:35:59,853
Speaker 21: think that labor is going to do a better job,

771
00:36:00,253 --> 00:36:02,813
Speaker 21: then I'd vote for them.

772
00:36:02,933 --> 00:36:05,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like I think it's getting worse, the

773
00:36:05,453 --> 00:36:07,692
Speaker 3: trouble nature of it, Dean. I might be wrong there,

774
00:36:07,693 --> 00:36:09,652
Speaker 3: but that's just the feeling I've got. But like you,

775
00:36:09,773 --> 00:36:14,013
Speaker 3: I think whatever way that you lean politically is only

776
00:36:14,093 --> 00:36:17,213
Speaker 3: the tiniest, tiniest part of who you are. And it

777
00:36:17,293 --> 00:36:19,613
Speaker 3: just seems to be more and more often people are

778
00:36:19,653 --> 00:36:23,453
Speaker 3: attributing their whole personality to the way that they vote

779
00:36:23,493 --> 00:36:25,373
Speaker 3: and I've never understood that, and I don't think I

780
00:36:25,413 --> 00:36:28,212
Speaker 3: will ever understand that. It's just not a massive part

781
00:36:28,653 --> 00:36:31,253
Speaker 3: of my life outside of these walls, you know, is

782
00:36:31,293 --> 00:36:34,133
Speaker 3: that I have my thoughts and thinking about the direction

783
00:36:34,253 --> 00:36:37,933
Speaker 3: of the country. But you know, I spend outside of

784
00:36:37,933 --> 00:36:40,773
Speaker 3: these walls. I probably spend five to seven percent of

785
00:36:40,773 --> 00:36:43,373
Speaker 3: my life talking about politics. It's just not a big thing.

786
00:36:44,053 --> 00:36:47,773
Speaker 21: That probably you know, I mean, I mean, and you're

787
00:36:47,813 --> 00:36:51,213
Speaker 21: probably you know, in your in your job, you've probably

788
00:36:51,533 --> 00:36:54,652
Speaker 21: got to I suppose at times. But yeah, it's just

789
00:36:55,293 --> 00:36:57,973
Speaker 21: I mean, I just the whole the whole thing is

790
00:36:58,773 --> 00:37:01,333
Speaker 21: is you know, people they're just people are just so

791
00:37:01,613 --> 00:37:05,093
Speaker 21: bloody minded about it, so they won't you know, that

792
00:37:05,213 --> 00:37:07,812
Speaker 21: they're either this way or they're that. Never the Twain

793
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:10,693
Speaker 21: shall meet. And as far as those two texts that

794
00:37:10,733 --> 00:37:13,373
Speaker 21: you've got, the ones you're realy out straight together. Man,

795
00:37:13,453 --> 00:37:14,973
Speaker 21: if I was if I was going out with a

796
00:37:15,013 --> 00:37:17,573
Speaker 21: woman and she said that I'd move away, I.

797
00:37:19,733 --> 00:37:21,773
Speaker 2: Think it would be it wouldn't be the last time

798
00:37:22,053 --> 00:37:24,652
Speaker 2: that you were held hostage on an issue.

799
00:37:24,053 --> 00:37:27,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, certainly.

800
00:37:28,013 --> 00:37:33,133
Speaker 2: Vacuum you know, yeah, no vacuum, no this, no, no

801
00:37:34,493 --> 00:37:38,973
Speaker 2: doing the disway toilet seat up or or down whatever

802
00:37:39,013 --> 00:37:40,252
Speaker 2: the one woman I can't remember.

803
00:37:40,773 --> 00:37:44,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like a big powerplay, thank you very much.

804
00:37:44,853 --> 00:37:47,373
Speaker 2: Politics reaches into our private lives constantly, which is surely

805
00:37:47,413 --> 00:37:49,573
Speaker 2: an overreach to start with, sus Roger.

806
00:37:50,133 --> 00:37:51,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this.

807
00:37:51,133 --> 00:37:54,973
Speaker 2: This is an important text here, an important one from Meca.

808
00:37:55,533 --> 00:37:57,453
Speaker 2: The worst development over the last twenty years is people

809
00:37:57,493 --> 00:38:00,293
Speaker 2: getting stuck in the echo chamber and unable to really

810
00:38:00,373 --> 00:38:03,813
Speaker 2: have good arguments underlying their position. If you never get

811
00:38:03,893 --> 00:38:06,533
Speaker 2: challenged on your belief and views, you get what we

812
00:38:06,613 --> 00:38:08,973
Speaker 2: have now in society. Most people would in the middle

813
00:38:09,173 --> 00:38:12,053
Speaker 2: towards the left on some subjects and right on others,

814
00:38:12,093 --> 00:38:15,093
Speaker 2: forcing a partner towards one side as risks in the

815
00:38:15,093 --> 00:38:18,493
Speaker 2: long term. They might now go with that listener to

816
00:38:18,533 --> 00:38:20,573
Speaker 2: the labor meeting because they wanted the bed.

817
00:38:20,773 --> 00:38:24,733
Speaker 3: Yeah nicely put Yeah.

818
00:38:24,813 --> 00:38:28,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that echo chamber because if you haven't, if

819
00:38:28,093 --> 00:38:30,373
Speaker 2: you're not used to having your opinions challenged, it can

820
00:38:30,413 --> 00:38:33,893
Speaker 2: be really confronting. But if it's just something a discussion,

821
00:38:33,893 --> 00:38:36,253
Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean that you as a person are

822
00:38:36,293 --> 00:38:40,333
Speaker 2: a bad person because you're disagreed with Yeah, I think

823
00:38:40,373 --> 00:38:43,853
Speaker 2: people attach their ideas to their very bearing and their

824
00:38:43,893 --> 00:38:47,133
Speaker 2: varying identity. When ideas are just ideas, ideas can come

825
00:38:47,133 --> 00:38:50,173
Speaker 2: and go yep. But if you can't handle having a

826
00:38:50,213 --> 00:38:52,053
Speaker 2: discussion about it, and that's what the echo chamber does.

827
00:38:52,253 --> 00:38:54,733
Speaker 2: You never get confronted. You just get reinforced and reinforced

828
00:38:54,773 --> 00:38:57,373
Speaker 2: and reinforced, And so it feels like an assault when

829
00:38:57,413 --> 00:38:59,013
Speaker 2: someone has a different opinion than you.

830
00:38:59,213 --> 00:39:00,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so.

831
00:39:00,613 --> 00:39:03,373
Speaker 2: Young women are trending rapidly to the left and men

832
00:39:03,413 --> 00:39:05,652
Speaker 2: are moving slightly further to right. But more and more

833
00:39:05,693 --> 00:39:08,613
Speaker 2: young people are saying they won't even date people who

834
00:39:09,093 --> 00:39:11,493
Speaker 2: don't agree with them politically. This is not good in

835
00:39:11,493 --> 00:39:13,613
Speaker 2: my humble opinion, because you don't know how your life

836
00:39:13,653 --> 00:39:15,853
Speaker 2: will pan out. You don't know what you will learn

837
00:39:15,933 --> 00:39:17,773
Speaker 2: or think in ten years, twenty years. You may be

838
00:39:17,813 --> 00:39:20,373
Speaker 2: missing out on an amazing life just because you think

839
00:39:20,413 --> 00:39:22,293
Speaker 2: you have it all sorted out in your early twenties

840
00:39:22,613 --> 00:39:24,933
Speaker 2: and that politics is the be all and end all

841
00:39:25,453 --> 00:39:28,413
Speaker 2: of everything. But the idea of growing together is equal

842
00:39:28,493 --> 00:39:31,573
Speaker 2: humans and changing together is a beautiful thing. Tyler. It

843
00:39:31,613 --> 00:39:35,253
Speaker 2: as no one was right about everything, but together people

844
00:39:35,253 --> 00:39:37,652
Speaker 2: can forge pretty good lives trying to work out the

845
00:39:37,693 --> 00:39:43,373
Speaker 2: best course day to day. So there you go date

846
00:39:43,453 --> 00:39:46,933
Speaker 2: someone on the opposite end of their political spectrum and

847
00:39:47,013 --> 00:39:49,493
Speaker 2: see if you can work things out and maybe learn something.

848
00:39:49,613 --> 00:39:52,773
Speaker 3: Nicely said mate. Great discussion coming up after two o'clock

849
00:39:53,093 --> 00:39:56,613
Speaker 3: experiences over property improvements will tell you more.

850
00:39:56,653 --> 00:40:01,493
Speaker 1: Next the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,

851
00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:05,333
Speaker 1: and everything in between and kids. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams.

852
00:40:05,373 --> 00:40:08,333
Speaker 1: Afternoon Squi Shotter News Talk said.

853
00:40:08,173 --> 00:40:11,893
Speaker 3: The very good afternoon. Do you welcome back into the show.

854
00:40:11,973 --> 00:40:15,293
Speaker 3: It is six past two now before.

855
00:40:15,013 --> 00:40:18,053
Speaker 2: We get to the next topic, I was listening to

856
00:40:18,413 --> 00:40:21,413
Speaker 2: the radio this morning and the news headlines announced something

857
00:40:21,493 --> 00:40:24,493
Speaker 2: like this, there is no hope in sight for relief

858
00:40:24,533 --> 00:40:28,333
Speaker 2: from high fuel prices. And look, my lovely partner. She's

859
00:40:28,373 --> 00:40:30,573
Speaker 2: a fantastic person. She isn't political at all.

860
00:40:30,693 --> 00:40:30,933
Speaker 4: Yep.

861
00:40:31,653 --> 00:40:34,813
Speaker 2: But she suddenly snapped like I've never seen a step before,

862
00:40:35,053 --> 00:40:41,333
Speaker 2: and she yelled at the radio, just stop, just stop.

863
00:40:42,733 --> 00:40:43,173
Speaker 17: She was.

864
00:40:44,733 --> 00:40:48,253
Speaker 2: Sick of the constant negative freaking out. It just got

865
00:40:48,333 --> 00:40:52,773
Speaker 2: to her over her breakfast, Just stop. She finally had

866
00:40:52,853 --> 00:40:57,453
Speaker 2: enough of the constant catastrophizing going on. I feel her

867
00:40:57,493 --> 00:41:01,013
Speaker 2: pain where there is no hope in sight, and now

868
00:41:01,053 --> 00:41:04,733
Speaker 2: I see just before that there is more fuel in

869
00:41:04,773 --> 00:41:06,692
Speaker 2: the country than we had in the country two weeks ago,

870
00:41:07,133 --> 00:41:11,173
Speaker 2: so of course there is whole insight, no hope in sight. Anyway,

871
00:41:11,653 --> 00:41:14,133
Speaker 2: it got me thinking about all the problems that every

872
00:41:14,253 --> 00:41:16,973
Speaker 2: generation faces. You know what, I was hiding from her

873
00:41:16,973 --> 00:41:18,453
Speaker 2: because I've never seen her yell before.

874
00:41:18,813 --> 00:41:20,093
Speaker 3: You scarpe it pretty quick.

875
00:41:19,853 --> 00:41:22,413
Speaker 2: So I scarp it over and started eating my breakfast

876
00:41:22,413 --> 00:41:25,293
Speaker 2: in the corner, making my coffee. I think about all

877
00:41:25,293 --> 00:41:28,652
Speaker 2: the generations that have survived, but not only that, that

878
00:41:28,813 --> 00:41:31,933
Speaker 2: produced children and a society that we live in today

879
00:41:31,933 --> 00:41:35,213
Speaker 2: that still works. And I think in the midst of

880
00:41:35,533 --> 00:41:39,693
Speaker 2: the crises that keep popping up all the time, people

881
00:41:39,693 --> 00:41:42,772
Speaker 2: start to think we live in particularly rough times when

882
00:41:42,773 --> 00:41:45,812
Speaker 2: we don't. We don't live in particularly rough times. Every

883
00:41:46,893 --> 00:41:52,013
Speaker 2: generation has its as its struggles, and many much much

884
00:41:52,053 --> 00:41:54,893
Speaker 2: worse than ours, and I think it's important these times

885
00:41:54,893 --> 00:41:57,652
Speaker 2: to get some perspective. And a good way is acknowledging

886
00:41:57,773 --> 00:42:01,853
Speaker 2: all your ancestors that struggled through much worse such that

887
00:42:01,933 --> 00:42:04,413
Speaker 2: you were here to freak out about the current round

888
00:42:04,413 --> 00:42:06,933
Speaker 2: of things to worry about. That's why I love this

889
00:42:07,053 --> 00:42:11,252
Speaker 2: viral quote, and it keeps popping up when you never

890
00:42:11,493 --> 00:42:14,653
Speaker 2: go online, and I think it puts the current times

891
00:42:14,813 --> 00:42:18,893
Speaker 2: and perspectives, So maybe we don't need to be saying

892
00:42:18,973 --> 00:42:21,053
Speaker 2: things like there is no end in sight. Listen to this.

893
00:42:21,453 --> 00:42:26,293
Speaker 11: In order to be born, you needed two parents, four grandparents,

894
00:42:26,733 --> 00:42:32,613
Speaker 11: eight great grandparents, sixteen great great grandparents, thirty two third

895
00:42:32,653 --> 00:42:37,933
Speaker 11: great grandparents, sixty four fourth great grandparents one hundred twenty eight,

896
00:42:37,973 --> 00:42:42,573
Speaker 11: fifth great grandparents two hundred and fifty six, sixth great

897
00:42:42,573 --> 00:42:48,292
Speaker 11: grandparents five hundred twelve, seventh great grandparents one twenty four

898
00:42:48,613 --> 00:42:53,933
Speaker 11: eighth great grandparents, and two thousand, forty eight ninth great grandparents.

899
00:42:55,013 --> 00:42:59,733
Speaker 11: Over the past twelve generations, spanning approximately four hundred years,

900
00:43:00,453 --> 00:43:03,732
Speaker 11: you needed a total of four thousand, ninety four ancestors

901
00:43:03,773 --> 00:43:07,893
Speaker 11: to come into existence. We are the result of thousands

902
00:43:07,933 --> 00:43:12,533
Speaker 11: of life choices and sacrifices that came before us. This

903
00:43:12,693 --> 00:43:17,173
Speaker 11: reminds us how precious and unique are Existence is a

904
00:43:17,293 --> 00:43:22,172
Speaker 11: gift shaped by generations of ancestors. Honor their legacy by

905
00:43:22,173 --> 00:43:25,693
Speaker 11: living with purpose and gratitude.

906
00:43:27,853 --> 00:43:30,053
Speaker 3: See powerful that is. I mean we need to play

907
00:43:30,053 --> 00:43:32,493
Speaker 3: that every day, don't we Just to get some perspective,

908
00:43:32,613 --> 00:43:34,813
Speaker 3: and because you know, I'm guilty as the next person.

909
00:43:34,813 --> 00:43:36,733
Speaker 3: But you hear like you heard this morning, there is

910
00:43:36,773 --> 00:43:39,653
Speaker 3: no hope for the fuel supplies. Clearly there is hope,

911
00:43:39,853 --> 00:43:42,253
Speaker 3: but we just need to get their perspective every morning

912
00:43:42,293 --> 00:43:45,333
Speaker 3: to say, just think about your ancestors and everybody, all.

913
00:43:45,253 --> 00:43:47,893
Speaker 2: Those ancestors you don't even know their names, that struggled

914
00:43:48,293 --> 00:43:52,493
Speaker 2: and then reproduced, and then those people that struggled and

915
00:43:52,493 --> 00:43:55,053
Speaker 2: reproduced and went through all the troubles of their age. Yes,

916
00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:57,093
Speaker 2: so you can sit here and catastrophize.

917
00:43:57,253 --> 00:43:59,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm feeling good. That is good. We need to

918
00:43:59,213 --> 00:44:02,813
Speaker 3: do that every Monday. Right, let's get into this next topic.

919
00:44:02,853 --> 00:44:05,733
Speaker 3: So the upcoming Auckland travel show is banking on a

920
00:44:05,773 --> 00:44:08,333
Speaker 3: shifting key we spending, with more people opting for overseas

921
00:44:08,493 --> 00:44:11,853
Speaker 3: trips instead of investing in home upgrades. So this is

922
00:44:11,893 --> 00:44:15,053
Speaker 3: despite a bit of a cost of living pressure affecting households,

923
00:44:15,173 --> 00:44:19,813
Speaker 3: demand for holidays remain strong as many prioritize experiences over

924
00:44:19,853 --> 00:44:22,773
Speaker 3: these property investments. The article goes on to say it

925
00:44:22,773 --> 00:44:25,973
Speaker 3: reflects a broader modern mindset where people are now placing

926
00:44:26,013 --> 00:44:29,693
Speaker 3: greater value on life experiences like holidays, even if it

927
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:33,013
Speaker 3: means putting those house projects on hold. So does that

928
00:44:33,173 --> 00:44:35,933
Speaker 3: ring true for you? Our experience is becoming more important

929
00:44:35,973 --> 00:44:39,053
Speaker 3: to you? Than, for example, improving your home. Oh one

930
00:44:39,133 --> 00:44:40,533
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call.

931
00:44:40,773 --> 00:44:42,453
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, if you only have a limited amount of

932
00:44:42,493 --> 00:44:44,893
Speaker 2: money to spend, is it better to spend it on

933
00:44:44,973 --> 00:44:50,533
Speaker 2: creature comforts that most renovations are. Some renovations are very important,

934
00:44:50,573 --> 00:44:54,093
Speaker 2: like if your ruth falls in, yes, that's a must.

935
00:44:54,173 --> 00:44:58,013
Speaker 2: That's maybe repairs, Yes, So renovations generally making things better.

936
00:44:58,053 --> 00:44:59,613
Speaker 2: Repairs are just keeping things the same.

937
00:44:59,653 --> 00:45:02,093
Speaker 3: I guess give you yes, yep, yep, nicely said.

938
00:45:02,093 --> 00:45:04,053
Speaker 2: But if you've got a fine out of money to spend,

939
00:45:04,133 --> 00:45:07,133
Speaker 2: is it better to spend it on experiences, creating memories

940
00:45:07,613 --> 00:45:12,973
Speaker 2: or creating cre comforts. So let's take, for example, a

941
00:45:13,013 --> 00:45:16,533
Speaker 2: new bathroom with a heated floor. Nice. So you get that,

942
00:45:16,893 --> 00:45:18,772
Speaker 2: and that will cost you a certain amount of money, yep,

943
00:45:18,973 --> 00:45:21,373
Speaker 2: And you'll be excited about it for about a week,

944
00:45:21,613 --> 00:45:25,093
Speaker 2: and then it'll become your base level of understanding of

945
00:45:25,093 --> 00:45:27,773
Speaker 2: how the world works. Yes, and it will bring you

946
00:45:27,813 --> 00:45:32,133
Speaker 2: no more joy. He'll be on the hedonic treadmill next,

947
00:45:32,213 --> 00:45:36,653
Speaker 2: a donic adaptation. But if you say, spent that money

948
00:45:37,333 --> 00:45:42,293
Speaker 2: on a trip overseas till and you experienced some really

949
00:45:42,373 --> 00:45:45,093
Speaker 2: incredible mind opening things went to a place you've never

950
00:45:45,133 --> 00:45:50,493
Speaker 2: been before, met new people, created new memories. What's more valuable?

951
00:45:51,253 --> 00:45:56,133
Speaker 2: What is more valuable the object at home, the comforts

952
00:45:56,253 --> 00:46:01,613
Speaker 2: at home, or the experiences and the memories. Yeah, it's

953
00:46:01,653 --> 00:46:02,733
Speaker 2: an interesting question, isn't it.

954
00:46:02,733 --> 00:46:02,973
Speaker 5: It is?

955
00:46:03,053 --> 00:46:04,653
Speaker 3: Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. What is

956
00:46:04,693 --> 00:46:06,973
Speaker 3: your answer to that question? Nine two ninety two is

957
00:46:07,013 --> 00:46:09,613
Speaker 3: the text number. I was thinking it through on my head,

958
00:46:09,693 --> 00:46:12,293
Speaker 3: and I always would want to be that person that

959
00:46:12,333 --> 00:46:15,252
Speaker 3: takes experiences over renos. But the more I'm thinking about

960
00:46:15,253 --> 00:46:17,533
Speaker 3: it that if I'm gonna tick up a little bit

961
00:46:17,573 --> 00:46:21,253
Speaker 3: of the mortgage to do some renos versus ticking up

962
00:46:21,253 --> 00:46:23,652
Speaker 3: a bit of the mortgage to go on holiday, I'd

963
00:46:23,733 --> 00:46:26,893
Speaker 3: always have an easier time dealing with the reno question

964
00:46:27,293 --> 00:46:30,692
Speaker 3: that in my head instantly is this is an investment. Yep,

965
00:46:30,773 --> 00:46:33,053
Speaker 3: I'm borrowing a bit more money, but I can see

966
00:46:33,093 --> 00:46:36,613
Speaker 3: some extended value down the track. Whereas a holiday, even

967
00:46:36,693 --> 00:46:39,613
Speaker 3: though that's far more joyful for me, I would be

968
00:46:39,693 --> 00:46:42,373
Speaker 3: so guilty at saying, oh, man, I borrowed eight k

969
00:46:43,093 --> 00:46:45,013
Speaker 3: from the bank to put on the mortgage. It was

970
00:46:45,013 --> 00:46:47,933
Speaker 3: a lovely holiday, but now good debt.

971
00:46:48,133 --> 00:46:51,013
Speaker 2: Essentially, you do some kind of renovation on your house

972
00:46:51,413 --> 00:46:55,693
Speaker 2: that makes your house more valuable. So you've borrowed money,

973
00:46:55,733 --> 00:46:57,613
Speaker 2: Because if you borrow money to go on a holiday,

974
00:46:57,973 --> 00:47:00,853
Speaker 2: then you're doing renovations on your mind as your mental

975
00:47:00,893 --> 00:47:03,533
Speaker 2: health might get better and you may have more memories,

976
00:47:03,773 --> 00:47:08,212
Speaker 2: more stories to share, and more photographs. Yeah, but hard

977
00:47:08,213 --> 00:47:11,413
Speaker 2: to sell those. There's not a great capital gain on those.

978
00:47:11,573 --> 00:47:13,613
Speaker 3: No, No, but what do you say, I eight one

979
00:47:13,653 --> 00:47:17,493
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty are you putting experiences over the

980
00:47:17,653 --> 00:47:20,652
Speaker 3: likes of renovations or perhaps even a new car? I'll wait,

981
00:47:20,653 --> 00:47:21,933
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty.

982
00:47:22,493 --> 00:47:24,413
Speaker 2: I'll throw something else in the mix. Yeah, so you

983
00:47:24,453 --> 00:47:27,373
Speaker 2: may wait your whole life to go for this amazing

984
00:47:27,413 --> 00:47:29,933
Speaker 2: trip while you're currently you're doing reno's and worrying about

985
00:47:29,933 --> 00:47:32,893
Speaker 2: your capital gain, and then get hit by a bus

986
00:47:33,013 --> 00:47:35,213
Speaker 2: YEP and never experience any of it.

987
00:47:35,293 --> 00:47:37,053
Speaker 3: That's right. It's a fair argument that if you've got

988
00:47:37,093 --> 00:47:38,413
Speaker 3: to do it, you've got to do it now. So

989
00:47:38,493 --> 00:47:40,213
Speaker 3: what do you say? Oh, eight, one hundred eighty ten

990
00:47:40,253 --> 00:47:41,973
Speaker 3: eighty is the number you're listening to news talks the

991
00:47:42,093 --> 00:47:43,453
Speaker 3: b It is fourteen bus.

992
00:47:43,213 --> 00:47:48,173
Speaker 1: Two your home of afternoon talk. Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

993
00:47:48,253 --> 00:47:51,732
Speaker 1: afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk

994
00:47:51,813 --> 00:47:52,173
Speaker 1: said be.

995
00:47:54,373 --> 00:47:58,493
Speaker 3: Seventeen past two. So we're talking about experiences over doing

996
00:47:58,533 --> 00:48:02,013
Speaker 3: home improvements. The upcoming Auckland Travel Show is banking on

997
00:48:02,053 --> 00:48:03,813
Speaker 3: a bit of a shift in how keyws look at

998
00:48:03,813 --> 00:48:05,693
Speaker 3: taking a holiday and it seems to be a broader

999
00:48:05,733 --> 00:48:09,652
Speaker 3: mindset that people are placing greater value on experiences. If

1000
00:48:09,693 --> 00:48:12,333
Speaker 3: that's you, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1001
00:48:12,373 --> 00:48:14,933
Speaker 3: the number to cool care? Can you ever regret spending

1002
00:48:15,013 --> 00:48:18,773
Speaker 3: up on a holiday? Get a Jaden, Welcome to the show.

1003
00:48:18,973 --> 00:48:19,773
Speaker 2: What do you reckon?

1004
00:48:20,573 --> 00:48:20,772
Speaker 16: Hey?

1005
00:48:20,773 --> 00:48:24,213
Speaker 22: How's it going? I've been quite fortunate in my life.

1006
00:48:24,213 --> 00:48:25,613
Speaker 5: My parents have actually.

1007
00:48:26,853 --> 00:48:29,652
Speaker 22: Done both of it for me. Luckily enough, I've been

1008
00:48:29,693 --> 00:48:32,732
Speaker 22: able to go away on holidays which have been cool

1009
00:48:32,813 --> 00:48:36,053
Speaker 22: memories and you know that the value with that is huge.

1010
00:48:36,253 --> 00:48:39,373
Speaker 22: And I've also been nice houses that my parents throughout

1011
00:48:39,413 --> 00:48:41,732
Speaker 22: my younger ages have had the.

1012
00:48:41,173 --> 00:48:42,413
Speaker 7: Opportunity to do up for me.

1013
00:48:42,933 --> 00:48:45,573
Speaker 22: So I've lived in houses that have been done up

1014
00:48:45,613 --> 00:48:48,772
Speaker 22: with house renolds and also gone on the holidays. But wow,

1015
00:48:49,533 --> 00:48:53,853
Speaker 22: I think we're at the value quite frankly, us as

1016
00:48:53,893 --> 00:48:56,853
Speaker 22: hum as we live anywhere, we'll sleep anywhere where where

1017
00:48:56,853 --> 00:48:57,853
Speaker 22: we can lie down.

1018
00:48:58,133 --> 00:49:00,893
Speaker 17: But you can't get the value of a holiday and

1019
00:49:00,933 --> 00:49:03,613
Speaker 17: those cool memories that you spend with your family and friends.

1020
00:49:04,253 --> 00:49:07,373
Speaker 17: I think, as far as things go, that would be

1021
00:49:07,573 --> 00:49:09,373
Speaker 17: my opinion that there would be the best thing to

1022
00:49:09,373 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 17: be doing with your.

1023
00:49:09,973 --> 00:49:13,652
Speaker 2: Money, even if it meant borrowing money to go on

1024
00:49:13,653 --> 00:49:15,773
Speaker 2: a holiday, Yes.

1025
00:49:15,613 --> 00:49:18,493
Speaker 23: One hundred, because if you don't have the money to

1026
00:49:18,533 --> 00:49:21,093
Speaker 23: do it now, when is it going to be if

1027
00:49:21,133 --> 00:49:24,093
Speaker 23: it can't be later, borrowing the money to be able

1028
00:49:24,093 --> 00:49:27,172
Speaker 23: to organize it, to have it as soon as you can.

1029
00:49:28,813 --> 00:49:31,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I reckon if you've got a bit of

1030
00:49:31,533 --> 00:49:33,252
Speaker 3: equity in the home. And there's a lot of ticks

1031
00:49:33,293 --> 00:49:37,413
Speaker 3: saying never ever tick up a holiday on credit. But

1032
00:49:37,573 --> 00:49:40,133
Speaker 3: I disagree. I think a bit of a mind shift

1033
00:49:40,173 --> 00:49:43,373
Speaker 3: there that if you can get some great experiences and

1034
00:49:43,453 --> 00:49:46,853
Speaker 3: as you said, Matt, the mental renovations to your mind

1035
00:49:46,893 --> 00:49:49,212
Speaker 3: and you are your mental well being, why not why

1036
00:49:49,293 --> 00:49:49,933
Speaker 3: not tick it up?

1037
00:49:50,653 --> 00:49:50,893
Speaker 19: Yeah.

1038
00:49:50,973 --> 00:49:54,453
Speaker 22: We're resilient people, you know, we all are, and we

1039
00:49:54,493 --> 00:49:58,293
Speaker 22: can get through anything. If we've got little carrots waving

1040
00:49:58,333 --> 00:50:00,573
Speaker 22: in front of us to get there, it makes it

1041
00:50:00,573 --> 00:50:01,333
Speaker 22: a whole lot easier.

1042
00:50:02,533 --> 00:50:04,652
Speaker 2: I remember it was John Key though that said, he

1043
00:50:04,813 --> 00:50:09,013
Speaker 2: was comparing borrowing as a country, and he was saying,

1044
00:50:09,053 --> 00:50:11,333
Speaker 2: you know, if you borrow for infrastructure is similar to

1045
00:50:11,373 --> 00:50:14,893
Speaker 2: him borrowing to build a new kitchen or building renovations

1046
00:50:14,893 --> 00:50:17,653
Speaker 2: in your house, Yes, and that it's an asset, whereas

1047
00:50:17,693 --> 00:50:19,853
Speaker 2: borrowing for a holiday is a bad thing. So his

1048
00:50:19,933 --> 00:50:22,413
Speaker 2: example was, you know, basically, we were saying, is it

1049
00:50:22,533 --> 00:50:24,933
Speaker 2: borrowing isn't a bad thing for a country? It's bad

1050
00:50:24,973 --> 00:50:27,573
Speaker 2: if you borrow for frivolous things. Yeah, which obviously we've

1051
00:50:27,573 --> 00:50:29,573
Speaker 2: seen a lot of in the last wee while.

1052
00:50:30,373 --> 00:50:32,933
Speaker 22: But like we hear, I'll say, the life we hear,

1053
00:50:33,013 --> 00:50:36,053
Speaker 22: we're living and then we're gone, aren't we you know,

1054
00:50:36,133 --> 00:50:40,133
Speaker 22: so the things that we leave here aren't the memories

1055
00:50:40,213 --> 00:50:41,893
Speaker 22: we can take take away with us, you.

1056
00:50:41,813 --> 00:50:43,973
Speaker 3: Know, because I don't want to fall into that trap.

1057
00:50:44,253 --> 00:50:46,853
Speaker 3: We're fast falling into that trap where we want to

1058
00:50:46,893 --> 00:50:49,653
Speaker 3: do all of these experiences and do all these things overseas.

1059
00:50:49,893 --> 00:50:52,933
Speaker 3: But I know, because I'm pretty frugal, that I want

1060
00:50:52,933 --> 00:50:55,053
Speaker 3: to make sure that we've got that money put aside.

1061
00:50:55,373 --> 00:50:58,453
Speaker 3: And if that's my strategy, we're not going to travel

1062
00:50:58,533 --> 00:51:00,692
Speaker 3: until I'm sixty five. I can just see I can

1063
00:51:00,733 --> 00:51:03,413
Speaker 3: see my future clear as day for the next twenty

1064
00:51:03,413 --> 00:51:05,853
Speaker 3: five years, will knuckle down and will be set up

1065
00:51:05,973 --> 00:51:09,133
Speaker 3: pretty well, I hope. But then those experiences that I

1066
00:51:09,133 --> 00:51:12,453
Speaker 3: always wanted to do at sixty five. I mean, I

1067
00:51:12,493 --> 00:51:14,453
Speaker 3: don't have a physical job, so hopefully I'll be all right.

1068
00:51:14,493 --> 00:51:16,172
Speaker 3: But you know, then that starts to get a little

1069
00:51:16,213 --> 00:51:16,692
Speaker 3: bit too late.

1070
00:51:19,013 --> 00:51:21,133
Speaker 22: Yeah. I think the goal of mind is the main thing,

1071
00:51:21,173 --> 00:51:22,693
Speaker 22: Like you're saying, you've got that goal.

1072
00:51:23,093 --> 00:51:23,893
Speaker 5: And whether it.

1073
00:51:25,653 --> 00:51:28,053
Speaker 22: Be in the future or be now, it's that goal

1074
00:51:28,333 --> 00:51:33,053
Speaker 22: of going away and the holiday being the priority of value.

1075
00:51:33,893 --> 00:51:37,212
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jaden, thank you very much for your thoughts and

1076
00:51:37,453 --> 00:51:39,693
Speaker 3: good on you that you've got to experience both a

1077
00:51:39,693 --> 00:51:41,093
Speaker 3: great home and a good holiday.

1078
00:51:41,413 --> 00:51:43,733
Speaker 2: I think there's another aspect to this though. There's the

1079
00:51:43,773 --> 00:51:46,573
Speaker 2: type of holiday that people do now. So if you're

1080
00:51:46,613 --> 00:51:49,732
Speaker 2: doing a going on holiday just so you can show

1081
00:51:49,733 --> 00:51:51,533
Speaker 2: off that you've been on a holiday, so you're going

1082
00:51:51,613 --> 00:51:54,652
Speaker 2: on an Instagram holiday, So you're going on holiday to

1083
00:51:54,733 --> 00:51:58,533
Speaker 2: take pictures of yourself on holiday as a status symbol,

1084
00:51:58,973 --> 00:52:00,973
Speaker 2: then that is the worst of both worlds, right, Yeah,

1085
00:52:01,013 --> 00:52:04,253
Speaker 2: So you're spending money that's not an asset to do

1086
00:52:04,373 --> 00:52:07,013
Speaker 2: something vacuous that will bring you no real joy.

1087
00:52:07,173 --> 00:52:09,172
Speaker 3: Hollow experience. Yeah, yeah, but I'll.

1088
00:52:09,093 --> 00:52:10,213
Speaker 2: Try and look it up. But I was reading this

1089
00:52:10,253 --> 00:52:12,213
Speaker 2: great article about you know, it was from people that

1090
00:52:12,293 --> 00:52:14,652
Speaker 2: were organizing travel and they're saying, so many people now

1091
00:52:14,653 --> 00:52:18,773
Speaker 2: are traveling are doing status traveling as opposed to experiential traveling. Right, So,

1092
00:52:18,813 --> 00:52:20,933
Speaker 2: experience or traveling is where you go to broaden your

1093
00:52:20,973 --> 00:52:23,373
Speaker 2: mind and see things that are just your wowed apt

1094
00:52:23,453 --> 00:52:25,293
Speaker 2: for the sake of being wowed at, and you grow

1095
00:52:25,293 --> 00:52:25,652
Speaker 2: your mind.

1096
00:52:25,733 --> 00:52:25,973
Speaker 15: Yep.

1097
00:52:26,413 --> 00:52:29,533
Speaker 2: Status traveling is when you're standing in front of the

1098
00:52:29,573 --> 00:52:32,573
Speaker 2: Mona lizare taking a picture of yourself in front of

1099
00:52:32,573 --> 00:52:35,692
Speaker 2: the Mona Liza because you're more important that you're that

1100
00:52:35,733 --> 00:52:37,613
Speaker 2: you're seen to be there than you were actually there.

1101
00:52:37,693 --> 00:52:39,533
Speaker 3: You see a lot of that, But what do you say, oh,

1102
00:52:39,533 --> 00:52:41,933
Speaker 3: A one hundred eighty ten eighty, is it ever okay

1103
00:52:42,213 --> 00:52:44,853
Speaker 3: to tick up a holiday on credit? And are you

1104
00:52:44,853 --> 00:52:47,973
Speaker 3: putting experiences above the likes of the home? Rehnos, It

1105
00:52:48,093 --> 00:52:50,813
Speaker 3: is twenty two past two. You're listening to news talks heb.

1106
00:52:54,653 --> 00:52:58,053
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred

1107
00:52:58,133 --> 00:53:00,293
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news talk ZB.

1108
00:53:00,373 --> 00:53:03,533
Speaker 3: Twenty four past two. Are you putting holidays and experiences

1109
00:53:03,653 --> 00:53:06,813
Speaker 3: above other things like home renovations. Oh a one hundred

1110
00:53:07,053 --> 00:53:09,413
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty sheer or View nineteen nine two is

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00:53:09,453 --> 00:53:10,093
Speaker 3: a text as well.

1112
00:53:10,213 --> 00:53:12,253
Speaker 2: Someone's pushing back and I knew they would because you

1113
00:53:12,293 --> 00:53:14,213
Speaker 2: were running down sixty five year olds. And I know

1114
00:53:14,293 --> 00:53:16,813
Speaker 2: a lot of very healthy sixty five year olds that

1115
00:53:16,853 --> 00:53:20,133
Speaker 2: are going hard. Infect sixty five is than you twenty five?

1116
00:53:20,253 --> 00:53:22,373
Speaker 3: Yeap, Now I went early, but carry on.

1117
00:53:22,533 --> 00:53:25,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad's Adie one.

1118
00:53:26,293 --> 00:53:27,053
Speaker 3: He's chipper.

1119
00:53:27,813 --> 00:53:31,652
Speaker 2: He's very chipper and very fit mate. I've never been fitters.

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00:53:32,013 --> 00:53:35,493
Speaker 2: It's sixty five, bike, home, gen etcetera. Every day. Could

1121
00:53:35,573 --> 00:53:39,853
Speaker 2: never do that before. No bought lunch, holidays and absolute

1122
00:53:39,973 --> 00:53:42,212
Speaker 2: joy every day. Owen Homer renovations.

1123
00:53:42,293 --> 00:53:44,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I went about. I went about young at

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00:53:44,413 --> 00:53:47,093
Speaker 3: sixty five, but I one hundred and eighty ten eighties

1125
00:53:47,173 --> 00:53:51,453
Speaker 3: number to call get a jeremy, are you very good?

1126
00:53:51,453 --> 00:53:52,013
Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

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00:53:53,813 --> 00:53:55,933
Speaker 7: If you've got a mortgage, you're kicking it up anyway, right,

1128
00:53:56,093 --> 00:53:58,893
Speaker 7: Like it's you're right, even if you save for it,

1129
00:53:58,893 --> 00:54:01,213
Speaker 7: it's it's money that's not going on to your mortgage.

1130
00:54:01,253 --> 00:54:04,973
Speaker 7: So if you've got a mortgage, you are effectively kicking

1131
00:54:05,013 --> 00:54:06,853
Speaker 7: it I just do it.

1132
00:54:06,933 --> 00:54:07,293
Speaker 16: Go for it.

1133
00:54:07,333 --> 00:54:09,333
Speaker 7: I think those experiences you're going to get, especially for

1134
00:54:09,653 --> 00:54:13,133
Speaker 7: the kids, are ones that most people won't want to

1135
00:54:13,173 --> 00:54:16,173
Speaker 7: wait until they're mortgage free to do, so by that

1136
00:54:16,213 --> 00:54:19,173
Speaker 7: point the kids are too old. So yeah, go for it.

1137
00:54:20,413 --> 00:54:23,133
Speaker 2: So I mean, so many people are texting and saying,

1138
00:54:23,173 --> 00:54:25,373
Speaker 2: never put a holiday on the mortgage. What do you

1139
00:54:25,413 --> 00:54:29,653
Speaker 2: What do you say to them?

1140
00:54:29,773 --> 00:54:31,413
Speaker 7: Well, I mean like to say, if you've got a mortgage,

1141
00:54:31,413 --> 00:54:33,692
Speaker 7: and most a lot of people do. Some people are

1142
00:54:33,733 --> 00:54:36,853
Speaker 7: unlucky enough not not to. But if you're saving up regardless,

1143
00:54:37,533 --> 00:54:40,333
Speaker 7: then yeah, you are putting it on your mortgage in

1144
00:54:40,333 --> 00:54:43,133
Speaker 7: a way. Unless you are mortgage free, then it just

1145
00:54:43,133 --> 00:54:46,213
Speaker 7: means you'd never go on a holiday. So regardless of

1146
00:54:46,213 --> 00:54:48,653
Speaker 7: whether you're saving and paying them off your mortgage early

1147
00:54:48,853 --> 00:54:51,293
Speaker 7: or whether you're saving towards a holiday, it doesn't matter.

1148
00:54:51,293 --> 00:54:53,213
Speaker 7: It's just money that's not going on to your mortgage,

1149
00:54:53,253 --> 00:54:54,253
Speaker 7: if that makes sense.

1150
00:54:54,333 --> 00:54:56,893
Speaker 2: Right, I see, I see. So if you're saving that money,

1151
00:54:57,293 --> 00:55:01,692
Speaker 2: then it is it's not on your mortgage, And if

1152
00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:04,973
Speaker 2: you're using your mortgage to pay for the holiday, then also,

1153
00:55:05,333 --> 00:55:08,093
Speaker 2: But I guess, yeah, I mean.

1154
00:55:10,733 --> 00:55:12,453
Speaker 7: It's a different I guess it's a different story. If

1155
00:55:12,453 --> 00:55:14,213
Speaker 7: you enter the bank and said, I want to borrow

1156
00:55:14,893 --> 00:55:18,413
Speaker 7: additional money to put on on a holiday, I guess

1157
00:55:18,413 --> 00:55:21,413
Speaker 7: you're you're increasing your debt go on holiday. But either

1158
00:55:21,413 --> 00:55:24,413
Speaker 7: which way you know, whether you're saving or not, you're

1159
00:55:24,493 --> 00:55:26,413
Speaker 7: you're still doing that. Like I say, the only way

1160
00:55:26,493 --> 00:55:29,893
Speaker 7: to do it would be by being mortgage free. But

1161
00:55:29,973 --> 00:55:33,213
Speaker 7: most people nowadays with interest rates and every and the

1162
00:55:33,293 --> 00:55:35,573
Speaker 7: cost of living all that kind of stuff, but it's

1163
00:55:35,613 --> 00:55:38,853
Speaker 7: just no point in waiting. Because but if if you're.

1164
00:55:38,493 --> 00:55:40,613
Speaker 2: If you're saving your money Jeremy, and keeping it in

1165
00:55:40,653 --> 00:55:44,253
Speaker 2: your mortgage, if you've got a floating mortgage, you know,

1166
00:55:44,333 --> 00:55:47,333
Speaker 2: one that you can access, You're you're throwing that saving

1167
00:55:47,333 --> 00:55:49,252
Speaker 2: in there, and the time that that money is in there,

1168
00:55:49,253 --> 00:55:52,013
Speaker 2: you're paying less interest on your loan for that portion

1169
00:55:52,093 --> 00:55:53,413
Speaker 2: of your mortgage. You see what I'm saying.

1170
00:55:55,093 --> 00:55:58,013
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and yeah, so that's right. But then

1171
00:55:58,053 --> 00:56:00,013
Speaker 7: you you take your holiday and it comes back off

1172
00:56:00,013 --> 00:56:00,613
Speaker 7: that mortgage.

1173
00:56:00,653 --> 00:56:02,812
Speaker 3: So yeah, like.

1174
00:56:02,693 --> 00:56:05,973
Speaker 7: I say, unless you are mortgage free, you're you're always

1175
00:56:06,013 --> 00:56:07,533
Speaker 7: borrowing off your off your loan or.

1176
00:56:07,693 --> 00:56:09,853
Speaker 2: Secuity, and you are you expecting to pay it all

1177
00:56:09,893 --> 00:56:14,933
Speaker 2: back or you expecting to die before you pay it back?

1178
00:56:15,133 --> 00:56:17,413
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm hoping to pay it back well before

1179
00:56:18,653 --> 00:56:19,652
Speaker 7: for the point that I die.

1180
00:56:19,893 --> 00:56:22,373
Speaker 2: So there's a point in your life where you're not holidaying,

1181
00:56:22,373 --> 00:56:23,973
Speaker 2: but you're just paying back the mortgages. I guess what

1182
00:56:24,013 --> 00:56:27,133
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Do you just have one major you pick

1183
00:56:27,173 --> 00:56:30,013
Speaker 2: a pick a key time in your life, you know,

1184
00:56:30,093 --> 00:56:32,013
Speaker 2: maybe when the kids are still around or whatever, and

1185
00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:34,053
Speaker 2: you're feeling like that's the perfect time. I'm just going

1186
00:56:34,133 --> 00:56:36,533
Speaker 2: to spend a lot of money on have that great

1187
00:56:36,733 --> 00:56:40,013
Speaker 2: one holiday that's significant and will create create those memories,

1188
00:56:40,253 --> 00:56:42,613
Speaker 2: and then I go back into paying off mortgage mode.

1189
00:56:43,733 --> 00:56:45,973
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you need to be able to create both. Right, Like,

1190
00:56:46,053 --> 00:56:49,573
Speaker 7: if you're only just getting by and you're only paying

1191
00:56:49,573 --> 00:56:54,252
Speaker 7: off enough mortgage just to slowly reduce your mortgage, then

1192
00:56:54,293 --> 00:56:56,333
Speaker 7: you need to weigh it up and so well, you know,

1193
00:56:56,933 --> 00:57:00,333
Speaker 7: is that justifiable? But you know, I think if you're

1194
00:57:00,373 --> 00:57:02,653
Speaker 7: in a position where you can pay off your mortgage

1195
00:57:02,853 --> 00:57:06,293
Speaker 7: plus a little bit extra in terms of savings and

1196
00:57:06,573 --> 00:57:09,053
Speaker 7: achieve your goals by being debt free in ten, twenty

1197
00:57:09,133 --> 00:57:11,773
Speaker 7: years or whatever it is, then as long as you

1198
00:57:11,773 --> 00:57:13,773
Speaker 7: can do both, then go for it.

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00:57:14,293 --> 00:57:17,053
Speaker 3: Here's my rationale. Jeremy and I'm actually talking about ticking

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00:57:17,053 --> 00:57:18,933
Speaker 3: it up, take using some of the equity and the

1201
00:57:18,973 --> 00:57:22,893
Speaker 3: mortgage and borring say fifteen, maybe even twenty thousand dollars.

1202
00:57:23,093 --> 00:57:25,573
Speaker 3: That if I do that in the next five years

1203
00:57:25,853 --> 00:57:29,693
Speaker 3: and have a fantastic experience before I'm completely locked down

1204
00:57:29,733 --> 00:57:31,613
Speaker 3: and it gets harder and harder to do, then I

1205
00:57:31,653 --> 00:57:35,093
Speaker 3: am happy repaying that twenty thousand dollars over the next

1206
00:57:35,133 --> 00:57:37,853
Speaker 3: twenty years. Even if I'm in my seventies, I'll be

1207
00:57:37,933 --> 00:57:40,333
Speaker 3: happier to chip in an extra twenty bucks a week

1208
00:57:40,333 --> 00:57:44,013
Speaker 3: at seventy then miss out on doing that experience right now?

1209
00:57:45,933 --> 00:57:46,493
Speaker 3: Is that smart?

1210
00:57:46,613 --> 00:57:47,053
Speaker 24: Fair enough?

1211
00:57:47,133 --> 00:57:50,413
Speaker 7: But yeah, well yes, so no, I mean, I guess

1212
00:57:50,453 --> 00:57:52,733
Speaker 7: if you've got enough money and you're super and that

1213
00:57:52,813 --> 00:57:54,093
Speaker 7: kind of thing that I mean, no one really wants

1214
00:57:54,133 --> 00:57:56,853
Speaker 7: to be paying a mortgage at seventy and then completely

1215
00:57:56,933 --> 00:57:59,533
Speaker 7: restricts your ability to be able to live when you

1216
00:57:59,613 --> 00:58:03,693
Speaker 7: retire or or extend out that stateful when you do retire.

1217
00:58:03,973 --> 00:58:06,133
Speaker 2: You've got And also, Tyler, you soon have this idea

1218
00:58:06,213 --> 00:58:10,413
Speaker 2: that at your age of forty, that's that's peak. But

1219
00:58:10,973 --> 00:58:13,293
Speaker 2: but you'll be you know, you'll be sixty, and you'll

1220
00:58:13,293 --> 00:58:16,133
Speaker 2: be still feeling like Tyler, You're still feeling great, and

1221
00:58:16,213 --> 00:58:18,053
Speaker 2: you and May will still be wanting to go on holidays.

1222
00:58:18,133 --> 00:58:19,053
Speaker 3: Could I still get up much?

1223
00:58:19,053 --> 00:58:19,133
Speaker 22: You?

1224
00:58:19,173 --> 00:58:20,773
Speaker 15: Peat you? Yeah you?

1225
00:58:20,893 --> 00:58:22,413
Speaker 3: I suppose you've got a sixty. There's a lot of

1226
00:58:22,413 --> 00:58:24,373
Speaker 3: people pushing back on the old sixty five saying they're

1227
00:58:24,413 --> 00:58:25,253
Speaker 3: still kicking butt.

1228
00:58:25,573 --> 00:58:27,853
Speaker 2: But yeah, Jeremy, thank you so much for your call, mate,

1229
00:58:27,853 --> 00:58:28,813
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

1230
00:58:28,893 --> 00:58:31,373
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text number as well,

1231
00:58:31,613 --> 00:58:34,053
Speaker 3: so as it wise to tick up a holiday on

1232
00:58:34,213 --> 00:58:36,973
Speaker 3: the mortgage or take it in credit or is that stupid?

1233
00:58:36,973 --> 00:58:40,173
Speaker 3: And if you're putting experience as ahead of home, renos

1234
00:58:40,453 --> 00:58:42,053
Speaker 3: want to hear from you. Oh one hundred and eighty

1235
00:58:42,053 --> 00:58:44,613
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call? It is bang

1236
00:58:44,653 --> 00:58:47,053
Speaker 3: on hop pass two headlines with Wendy coming up.

1237
00:58:47,213 --> 00:58:48,453
Speaker 2: There is a problem as well when you go on

1238
00:58:48,493 --> 00:58:50,933
Speaker 2: holiday because as soon as you're overseas, you go when

1239
00:58:50,933 --> 00:58:53,213
Speaker 2: when we next be in Italy? And then you spend

1240
00:58:53,533 --> 00:58:55,853
Speaker 2: twice to three times as much as you plan because

1241
00:58:56,373 --> 00:58:58,333
Speaker 2: we might as well spend it now because we won't

1242
00:58:58,373 --> 00:58:59,013
Speaker 2: be back here.

1243
00:58:58,893 --> 00:58:59,853
Speaker 3: For a long time, so.

1244
00:59:02,493 --> 00:59:03,893
Speaker 2: Shove it on the mortgage.

1245
00:59:04,893 --> 00:59:08,533
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1249
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1250
00:59:23,253 --> 00:59:25,733
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1251
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Speaker 12: inquiry into the string of food processing facility closures to

1252
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Speaker 12: understand the extent of the impact. Victorian police are holding

1253
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Speaker 12: off confirming if the man shot dead by police this

1254
00:59:36,093 --> 00:59:40,813
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1255
00:59:40,853 --> 00:59:44,893
Speaker 12: expected within the next two days. Fangad state of emergency

1256
00:59:44,933 --> 00:59:49,093
Speaker 12: is lifted following last week's wild weather. With conditions improving.

1257
00:59:49,253 --> 00:59:51,853
Speaker 12: The area is now moving to a twenty eight day

1258
00:59:52,013 --> 00:59:55,653
Speaker 12: recovery phase. A fire trucks closed part of State Highway

1259
00:59:55,693 --> 00:59:58,813
Speaker 12: three north of Bulls in the one or two emergency

1260
00:59:58,853 --> 01:00:01,493
Speaker 12: services were called to the area near Brightwell Road just

1261
01:00:01,573 --> 01:00:05,413
Speaker 12: after one fifteen. Traffic is being diverted via State Highway one.

1262
01:00:06,093 --> 01:00:09,293
Speaker 12: Last it's not rarely about attracting women, what young New

1263
01:00:09,413 --> 01:00:13,013
Speaker 12: Zealand men say about the looks maxing trend seemore at

1264
01:00:13,053 --> 01:00:16,413
Speaker 12: enz Herold Premium. Now back to Matton Tyler, Thank you

1265
01:00:16,573 --> 01:00:16,973
Speaker 12: very much.

1266
01:00:17,013 --> 01:00:19,453
Speaker 2: Wendy that that quote I was trying to look for,

1267
01:00:19,733 --> 01:00:22,693
Speaker 2: which was the worst of both worlds. So you're shoving,

1268
01:00:22,853 --> 01:00:25,093
Speaker 2: you're borrowing money to go on a holiday that doesn't

1269
01:00:25,093 --> 01:00:28,573
Speaker 2: actually create proper experiences for you. It's called insta travel

1270
01:00:28,653 --> 01:00:30,173
Speaker 2: is the saying for it. And this is a quote

1271
01:00:30,173 --> 01:00:33,133
Speaker 2: from Professor Scott Galloway. Young people aren't going somewhere to

1272
01:00:33,213 --> 01:00:36,133
Speaker 2: experience that they're going so other people know they went.

1273
01:00:36,573 --> 01:00:38,333
Speaker 2: We used to travel to see the world, now we

1274
01:00:38,373 --> 01:00:40,773
Speaker 2: travel to be seen in it. So the idea is

1275
01:00:40,773 --> 01:00:42,653
Speaker 2: that you go to the taj Mahala, know march, you

1276
01:00:42,693 --> 01:00:44,533
Speaker 2: peach you because it's one we're bringing out the Pyramids

1277
01:00:44,533 --> 01:00:48,573
Speaker 2: of Geezer, the Cropolis of Athens or something like that,

1278
01:00:48,733 --> 01:00:50,853
Speaker 2: and it's so you can post about it.

1279
01:00:51,053 --> 01:00:51,213
Speaker 3: Yep.

1280
01:00:51,413 --> 01:00:52,933
Speaker 2: And that's why you get what I got when I

1281
01:00:52,933 --> 01:00:55,493
Speaker 2: was last in Paris, which is you know that crazy

1282
01:00:55,613 --> 01:00:57,533
Speaker 2: roundabout around the Arcitetroment.

1283
01:00:57,733 --> 01:01:00,013
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, five lanes John.

1284
01:00:59,813 --> 01:01:02,613
Speaker 2: Wick one so cool. And people are just risking it

1285
01:01:02,653 --> 01:01:05,373
Speaker 2: all in the huge cues because there's one shot that's

1286
01:01:05,373 --> 01:01:08,053
Speaker 2: a really good shot to get an Instagram selfie in

1287
01:01:08,093 --> 01:01:10,853
Speaker 2: front of it and shot, so there's just a huge

1288
01:01:10,973 --> 01:01:14,613
Speaker 2: queue sort of hanging out right into the road quite dangerously,

1289
01:01:15,453 --> 01:01:19,533
Speaker 2: and people will spend two hours waiting in that queue

1290
01:01:19,573 --> 01:01:21,453
Speaker 2: just to get the perfect shot instead of using their

1291
01:01:21,453 --> 01:01:24,173
Speaker 2: eyeballs to look at it and then remember what it

1292
01:01:24,213 --> 01:01:26,293
Speaker 2: was like and then maybe read up about it and

1293
01:01:26,373 --> 01:01:27,093
Speaker 2: experience it.

1294
01:01:27,533 --> 01:01:30,933
Speaker 3: Losers, get on with your life and experience the beauty

1295
01:01:30,973 --> 01:01:31,493
Speaker 3: of Paris.

1296
01:01:31,613 --> 01:01:34,053
Speaker 2: That's instant travel. Yeah, so that's not what we're talking about.

1297
01:01:34,453 --> 01:01:37,653
Speaker 2: We're talking about the kind of travel that is great

1298
01:01:37,693 --> 01:01:40,333
Speaker 2: for your mind and you'll look back on fondly and

1299
01:01:40,813 --> 01:01:44,613
Speaker 2: remember forever, as opposed to whether it's whether it's a

1300
01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:47,293
Speaker 2: good iad to spend that money on an asset or

1301
01:01:47,333 --> 01:01:52,253
Speaker 2: a renovation or you know, a creature comfort and object. Leslie,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 24: I'm great? Thank you. I I a number of a

1304
01:01:59,533 --> 01:02:03,893
Speaker 24: few years ago. I took my husband to London. We'd

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01:02:03,893 --> 01:02:07,653
Speaker 24: sold a petick had some money left over, and I

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01:02:07,693 --> 01:02:09,573
Speaker 24: can remember saying to him, you know, I din'd like

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01:02:09,653 --> 01:02:11,933
Speaker 24: to do with that money, and he's looking sky would

1308
01:02:11,973 --> 01:02:15,853
Speaker 24: of course, thinking what she's thinking up now. But a

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01:02:16,053 --> 01:02:19,493
Speaker 24: daughter was teaching in London. She taught there for seven years,

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Speaker 24: and so I said, I'd like to go to London

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Speaker 24: to see Hailey. Well. On top of that, his health

1312
01:02:26,693 --> 01:02:29,253
Speaker 24: wasn't great. He'd had a kidney transplant in the early

1313
01:02:29,373 --> 01:02:34,573
Speaker 24: nineteen nineties and it was perhaps on the way out. Really,

1314
01:02:34,693 --> 01:02:36,533
Speaker 24: if I'd known then what I know now, I might

1315
01:02:36,693 --> 01:02:41,733
Speaker 24: never have gone. But we traveled, and he actually traveled

1316
01:02:41,733 --> 01:02:46,253
Speaker 24: really well, filled his head with memories. We went, then

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01:02:46,653 --> 01:02:50,693
Speaker 24: ended up at Westminster Abbey for Zac Day, traveled up

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01:02:50,733 --> 01:02:54,413
Speaker 24: round through Scotland, went through Europe on one of those

1319
01:02:54,533 --> 01:02:59,853
Speaker 24: ten day things, and came back to Finnish with the

1320
01:02:59,973 --> 01:03:04,653
Speaker 24: Chelsea Foul Show, and came home through Disneyland. And if

1321
01:03:04,653 --> 01:03:08,293
Speaker 24: I did nothing else for that man, as his health deteriorated,

1322
01:03:10,013 --> 01:03:12,773
Speaker 24: his head was sort of been u He knew when

1323
01:03:12,813 --> 01:03:15,333
Speaker 24: our kids traveled, he knew where they were, he knew

1324
01:03:15,333 --> 01:03:18,973
Speaker 24: what they were doing, and he could associate exactly what

1325
01:03:19,053 --> 01:03:21,013
Speaker 24: he could see on the news at night. He wasn't

1326
01:03:21,053 --> 01:03:24,293
Speaker 24: really a book reader or any of those kind of things.

1327
01:03:24,453 --> 01:03:29,093
Speaker 24: He'd been a contractor most of his life, and so

1328
01:03:29,133 --> 01:03:31,973
Speaker 24: the will became a much bigger place for him. And

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01:03:32,093 --> 01:03:34,493
Speaker 24: I could have put a new kitchen, and I could

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01:03:34,533 --> 01:03:36,173
Speaker 24: have I could have done.

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Speaker 21: All sorts of things.

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Speaker 24: But to this day, I I feel as if I

1333
01:03:43,133 --> 01:03:46,413
Speaker 24: certainly did the right thing, and nobody can take memories

1334
01:03:46,453 --> 01:03:53,453
Speaker 24: away from him and down the corner, so.

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Speaker 2: Both so as your husband passed.

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Speaker 24: Easie, Yeah, yeah, I lost him about twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you couldn't put this. I mean this

1338
01:04:03,173 --> 01:04:06,973
Speaker 2: is the best possible example of what we're talking about, really,

1339
01:04:07,493 --> 01:04:10,813
Speaker 2: because because not only for him, well he was still here,

1340
01:04:10,893 --> 01:04:14,013
Speaker 2: those memories and that experience so much more important than

1341
01:04:14,053 --> 01:04:17,293
Speaker 2: the kitchen, but also for you now having that feeling

1342
01:04:17,293 --> 01:04:20,573
Speaker 2: that you had that experience and that must have imagined

1343
01:04:20,973 --> 01:04:23,693
Speaker 2: as as hard as the grieving was, that would have

1344
01:04:23,693 --> 01:04:25,093
Speaker 2: been some solace in that time.

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01:04:26,253 --> 01:04:27,453
Speaker 21: Ah through you.

1346
01:04:27,533 --> 01:04:30,813
Speaker 24: I look back now and just remember it all and

1347
01:04:30,813 --> 01:04:33,733
Speaker 24: and just so thankful ready that he traveled as well

1348
01:04:33,773 --> 01:04:37,253
Speaker 24: as he did. Yes, Kitty was actually sort of on

1349
01:04:37,293 --> 01:04:42,253
Speaker 24: the decline. He ended up major heart, major heart surgery,

1350
01:04:42,773 --> 01:04:47,253
Speaker 24: my okodiitis after that double emp tee you mentioned it.

1351
01:04:47,373 --> 01:04:50,893
Speaker 24: He went through a bus If his kids rang from

1352
01:04:50,933 --> 01:04:54,893
Speaker 24: London or wherever he knew they were and could have

1353
01:04:55,093 --> 01:04:58,493
Speaker 24: could remember things that we had done in that to

1354
01:04:58,573 --> 01:05:01,853
Speaker 24: me was worth far more than mine new kitchen or

1355
01:05:02,813 --> 01:05:03,613
Speaker 24: or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, that was bespective. What a yeah, yeah,

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01:05:09,413 --> 01:05:11,653
Speaker 3: beautiful story. Thank you very much for giving us a call.

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Speaker 3: Leslie keen to hear your stories. Oh, eight hundred eighty

1359
01:05:14,773 --> 01:05:17,013
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. Nineteen niney two

1360
01:05:17,093 --> 01:05:20,413
Speaker 3: is the text. It is twenty one to three.

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Speaker 1: The fresh take on Talkback Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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01:05:23,053 --> 01:05:24,773
Speaker 1: afternoons with Skodas.

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Speaker 3: Please go to codes every day at scoder.

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Speaker 1: Dot co dot insad have your say on eight hundred

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01:05:30,493 --> 01:05:32,293
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty news talks'd b.

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Speaker 3: Are you putting experiences before the home renos? So eight

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01:05:35,893 --> 01:05:38,053
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Share

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01:05:38,133 --> 01:05:40,613
Speaker 3: your view, tell us your story. Nine to nine two

1369
01:05:40,693 --> 01:05:41,413
Speaker 3: is the text as well.

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Speaker 2: This text is said, So you two aren't going to

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01:05:44,333 --> 01:05:46,693
Speaker 2: when shall when you get into your eighties and you

1372
01:05:46,733 --> 01:05:50,573
Speaker 2: can't afford your own healthcare or properly and stay warm?

1373
01:05:50,733 --> 01:05:53,213
Speaker 2: Or are you going to expect someone else to pay

1374
01:05:53,293 --> 01:05:57,413
Speaker 2: for it? Says it's text right, Well, what we're doing here,

1375
01:05:58,533 --> 01:06:02,533
Speaker 2: dear small minded text is discussing where people should spend

1376
01:06:02,573 --> 01:06:06,613
Speaker 2: their money, whether it's on renovations or on travel, and

1377
01:06:06,813 --> 01:06:08,973
Speaker 2: side topic of whether people should teach tick it up.

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01:06:08,973 --> 01:06:12,413
Speaker 3: Says you're quite a joyful conversation, you know, experiences over things.

1379
01:06:12,933 --> 01:06:15,093
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Look, I'm not going to

1380
01:06:15,093 --> 01:06:17,493
Speaker 2: speak for myself, Tyler, but I can't see you being

1381
01:06:17,493 --> 01:06:19,373
Speaker 2: a burden on the state when you're ready.

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01:06:19,533 --> 01:06:22,333
Speaker 3: No, aren't you seeking it? I hope not. You do Okay, Yeah, yeah,

1383
01:06:22,373 --> 01:06:23,853
Speaker 3: I'm doing all right and I'm plan to keep doing

1384
01:06:23,893 --> 01:06:24,693
Speaker 3: all right, Tyler.

1385
01:06:24,733 --> 01:06:26,413
Speaker 2: Matt. We took our kids on a grand tour of

1386
01:06:26,413 --> 01:06:28,853
Speaker 2: Britain and Europe when they were eighteen, fifteen and thirteen

1387
01:06:28,893 --> 01:06:32,053
Speaker 2: seven weeks. Borrowed massively to do this, but set everyone

1388
01:06:32,093 --> 01:06:34,333
Speaker 2: with a daily money allowance. They had to buy their

1389
01:06:34,373 --> 01:06:37,133
Speaker 2: food and pay for entry to the museum, fun parts, etc.

1390
01:06:37,573 --> 01:06:39,893
Speaker 2: We paid for accommodation and travel every now and then

1391
01:06:39,973 --> 01:06:42,333
Speaker 2: I shouted everyone a meal, and boy did they all

1392
01:06:42,373 --> 01:06:44,853
Speaker 2: eat and drink on those days. When we got back,

1393
01:06:44,973 --> 01:06:47,213
Speaker 2: took on an extra evening job to pay back as

1394
01:06:47,293 --> 01:06:50,573
Speaker 2: quickly as possible. Well thirty years later, those kids remember

1395
01:06:50,653 --> 01:06:54,973
Speaker 2: every single experience that and day they had so worthwhile

1396
01:06:55,013 --> 01:06:57,573
Speaker 2: and would do it again. Absolutely. The mortgage came down

1397
01:06:57,693 --> 01:07:01,093
Speaker 2: as expected, So go early when the kids are going

1398
01:07:01,133 --> 01:07:02,533
Speaker 2: to get the best benefit.

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01:07:02,653 --> 01:07:07,613
Speaker 3: Cheers IFFI efie effee, Yeah great text effee. I love that. Yeah,

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01:07:07,613 --> 01:07:08,293
Speaker 3: that's a great forl loss.

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01:07:08,613 --> 01:07:13,253
Speaker 2: I prefer your outlook on life. Then Shane came ringing

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01:07:13,453 --> 01:07:17,173
Speaker 2: and care okay, be more like Ethie Margaret, welcome to

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01:07:17,213 --> 01:07:17,533
Speaker 2: the show.

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01:07:18,533 --> 01:07:19,973
Speaker 24: Hi, Hi, Hey.

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01:07:20,053 --> 01:07:22,693
Speaker 10: Firstly, I think if you're going on an overseas holiday,

1406
01:07:22,933 --> 01:07:25,533
Speaker 10: there's nothing worse than borrowing the money and having to

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01:07:25,573 --> 01:07:28,013
Speaker 10: come back and pay it off. To me, that's not

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01:07:28,053 --> 01:07:29,053
Speaker 10: a holiday, right.

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01:07:29,133 --> 01:07:29,813
Speaker 2: Do you worry about it?

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01:07:29,813 --> 01:07:31,973
Speaker 10: I get that, and I get that people can't afford

1411
01:07:31,973 --> 01:07:33,973
Speaker 10: it and they've got their ways that means. But for

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01:07:34,093 --> 01:07:37,893
Speaker 10: me my sixtieth last year, my husband said he could

1413
01:07:37,893 --> 01:07:42,093
Speaker 10: take me to Rome, oh, Greece, you know Italy. I

1414
01:07:42,173 --> 01:07:44,893
Speaker 10: always wanted I've always wanted to go. Then we had traveled,

1415
01:07:45,133 --> 01:07:47,213
Speaker 10: but this is the last destination that I'd like to

1416
01:07:47,213 --> 01:07:49,773
Speaker 10: go to. And he goes, you could either do that

1417
01:07:49,853 --> 01:07:52,173
Speaker 10: for a couple of months or have a new kitchen,

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01:07:52,453 --> 01:07:53,133
Speaker 10: and I chose.

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01:07:53,333 --> 01:07:57,693
Speaker 2: This is exactly what we're talking about. Just what I

1420
01:07:57,773 --> 01:07:59,413
Speaker 2: chose Rome and Greece.

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01:07:59,613 --> 01:08:03,253
Speaker 10: Yep, oh no, I wish I'd got the new kitchen.

1422
01:08:03,893 --> 01:08:05,733
Speaker 3: You went for the marble at home rather than the

1423
01:08:05,733 --> 01:08:06,693
Speaker 3: marble of the Colosseum.

1424
01:08:08,373 --> 01:08:10,373
Speaker 2: How do you feel? How do you feel about it?

1425
01:08:10,373 --> 01:08:15,173
Speaker 10: One hundred friends because it wasn't just a kitchen, it

1426
01:08:15,453 --> 01:08:20,053
Speaker 10: was a laundry. You living a whole windows out, windows

1427
01:08:20,053 --> 01:08:22,093
Speaker 10: and fire gone. You know what I mean.

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01:08:22,532 --> 01:08:25,213
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, you went all out.

1429
01:08:25,053 --> 01:08:27,812
Speaker 2: And every day you feel like you're visiting the colisee.

1430
01:08:27,853 --> 01:08:30,333
Speaker 2: And when you walk into your kitchen not yet.

1431
01:08:30,492 --> 01:08:32,852
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, I see it, and I say to my husband,

1432
01:08:32,973 --> 01:08:34,412
Speaker 10: I feel like I've won the lotto.

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01:08:35,333 --> 01:08:37,372
Speaker 2: See this is I'm so glad that you've called up

1434
01:08:37,452 --> 01:08:40,732
Speaker 2: because this is going against the thinking. Because this is

1435
01:08:40,772 --> 01:08:43,412
Speaker 2: what my partner said to me, Margaret when I was

1436
01:08:43,492 --> 01:08:45,372
Speaker 2: when we were we're doing a renow at the moment

1437
01:08:45,452 --> 01:08:46,732
Speaker 2: we were talking about things we're going to do in

1438
01:08:46,772 --> 01:08:48,612
Speaker 2: the on sweet bathroom, want to put in she'll go

1439
01:08:49,013 --> 01:08:50,772
Speaker 2: and I said we could do something else, and she goes.

1440
01:08:50,853 --> 01:08:55,213
Speaker 2: Every morning when we get up, we'll we'll we'll thank

1441
01:08:55,253 --> 01:08:58,133
Speaker 2: the world for for that. And I said, really, well,

1442
01:08:58,133 --> 01:09:00,612
Speaker 2: don't really think the world. Because the toilet's ten meters

1443
01:09:00,652 --> 01:09:04,892
Speaker 2: closer than my bid. And then I see, and I

1444
01:09:04,933 --> 01:09:07,892
Speaker 2: said to her, you won't think you won't be as

1445
01:09:07,933 --> 01:09:10,492
Speaker 2: happy the on sweet every morning when I get up

1446
01:09:10,532 --> 01:09:10,852
Speaker 2: and use it.

1447
01:09:11,412 --> 01:09:12,452
Speaker 3: Might be a little bit too close.

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01:09:12,612 --> 01:09:14,892
Speaker 10: It's such a pleasure like I've got push, I've got

1449
01:09:14,893 --> 01:09:19,092
Speaker 10: an electric rubbishman, I've got yeah.

1450
01:09:20,452 --> 01:09:25,492
Speaker 2: But no part of your heart uns for rome, and

1451
01:09:25,893 --> 01:09:26,892
Speaker 2: I reckon, I'll get there.

1452
01:09:27,893 --> 01:09:29,052
Speaker 10: I'm going to get there.

1453
01:09:29,893 --> 01:09:30,053
Speaker 15: You know.

1454
01:09:30,093 --> 01:09:31,732
Speaker 10: We've got a fear bit of ki we say to say,

1455
01:09:31,973 --> 01:09:35,452
Speaker 10: if I live that long, you know who knows, and

1456
01:09:35,772 --> 01:09:37,933
Speaker 10: he he love for you going to have something to

1457
01:09:37,933 --> 01:09:38,412
Speaker 10: strive for.

1458
01:09:38,732 --> 01:09:41,452
Speaker 2: How long have you had the kitchen for that? The

1459
01:09:41,652 --> 01:09:44,173
Speaker 2: a year and so you're still getting You're still going

1460
01:09:44,173 --> 01:09:47,972
Speaker 2: in there and just like dancing around.

1461
01:09:49,412 --> 01:09:51,173
Speaker 10: Back in the day when I got new carpet, I

1462
01:09:51,173 --> 01:09:52,612
Speaker 10: had to go and get a night job to pay

1463
01:09:52,652 --> 01:09:55,652
Speaker 10: for it. Okay, I loved I still love my carpet

1464
01:09:55,893 --> 01:09:58,492
Speaker 10: if no half of it's gone. But you know, it's

1465
01:09:58,532 --> 01:10:02,372
Speaker 10: just an appreciation for things and appreciating, you know, and

1466
01:10:02,412 --> 01:10:03,452
Speaker 10: I just appreciate it.

1467
01:10:03,532 --> 01:10:05,652
Speaker 2: I think, see you back the train because a lot

1468
01:10:05,732 --> 01:10:08,812
Speaker 2: of people they get on the hedonic trey mill and

1469
01:10:08,853 --> 01:10:11,372
Speaker 2: whatever the new thing they get, they suddenly forget about

1470
01:10:11,372 --> 01:10:13,293
Speaker 2: it and that just becomes their base level of happiness.

1471
01:10:13,293 --> 01:10:15,173
Speaker 2: But it looks to me and it sounds to me, Margaret,

1472
01:10:15,213 --> 01:10:17,772
Speaker 2: you're going to that kitchen and going and celebrating it

1473
01:10:17,812 --> 01:10:20,492
Speaker 2: every day therefore it's helping you if your mind.

1474
01:10:20,612 --> 01:10:22,412
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I'm cooking up a storm.

1475
01:10:22,893 --> 01:10:23,652
Speaker 15: Yeah, you got the.

1476
01:10:23,612 --> 01:10:24,652
Speaker 3: Right attitude, Margaret.

1477
01:10:25,093 --> 01:10:27,013
Speaker 2: So when you say electric rubbishpin, what do you mean

1478
01:10:27,053 --> 01:10:27,732
Speaker 2: you presiting it?

1479
01:10:27,973 --> 01:10:28,173
Speaker 20: Count?

1480
01:10:28,213 --> 01:10:29,053
Speaker 2: What do you mean rub?

1481
01:10:29,293 --> 01:10:31,572
Speaker 10: You rub your foot under it and it pops open?

1482
01:10:31,933 --> 01:10:33,133
Speaker 3: One of those booth situations.

1483
01:10:33,933 --> 01:10:37,693
Speaker 10: Yeah, to pugs, but they live at it and constantly

1484
01:10:37,732 --> 01:10:38,213
Speaker 10: open it.

1485
01:10:38,692 --> 01:10:41,333
Speaker 3: Oh, so the pugs are getting joy from it as well.

1486
01:10:41,612 --> 01:10:45,612
Speaker 3: The smells, Yeah, I love it. Good on your Margaret. Yeah, look,

1487
01:10:45,652 --> 01:10:50,052
Speaker 3: I'm happy for your happiness. What one final, one final

1488
01:10:50,133 --> 01:10:53,412
Speaker 3: question for your Margaret honesty call. So when when you're

1489
01:10:53,452 --> 01:10:55,532
Speaker 3: in the later life and you're on your rocking chairs

1490
01:10:55,572 --> 01:10:57,732
Speaker 3: on the deck and you're talking to your lovely husband,

1491
01:10:57,893 --> 01:11:00,133
Speaker 3: you're going to be looking back and saying, thank god

1492
01:11:00,173 --> 01:11:02,253
Speaker 3: we did that reno. What a great time that was

1493
01:11:02,293 --> 01:11:03,173
Speaker 3: that beautiful kitchen.

1494
01:11:04,412 --> 01:11:08,852
Speaker 10: Yeah, and we've traveled too, you know. So yeah, you

1495
01:11:08,973 --> 01:11:12,052
Speaker 10: just got a priority. I think definitely the kitchen, because,

1496
01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:13,973
Speaker 10: like you say, you come back, you're still enjoying it.

1497
01:11:14,013 --> 01:11:15,053
Speaker 10: Everyone else is getting to.

1498
01:11:15,093 --> 01:11:15,972
Speaker 5: Enjoy it as well.

1499
01:11:16,173 --> 01:11:19,492
Speaker 10: We've got four children, you know, and seven grandchildren, so

1500
01:11:19,532 --> 01:11:20,173
Speaker 10: they all come.

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01:11:20,053 --> 01:11:23,213
Speaker 2: Home home and yeah, you could be regaling your grandchildren

1502
01:11:23,253 --> 01:11:24,973
Speaker 2: with your Pompey slideshow.

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01:11:26,133 --> 01:11:27,933
Speaker 10: No, they spend most of your time playing with the

1504
01:11:27,933 --> 01:11:28,772
Speaker 10: blood rubbish uns.

1505
01:11:29,372 --> 01:11:32,133
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, good on your Margaret. What a great call.

1506
01:11:32,652 --> 01:11:35,333
Speaker 3: Are you like Margarete kitchen all the way? Or do

1507
01:11:35,412 --> 01:11:37,412
Speaker 3: you think the holiday is worth the money?

1508
01:11:37,492 --> 01:11:40,612
Speaker 2: Yeah? She's made me waiver in my system. Hey, Matt

1509
01:11:40,652 --> 01:11:42,812
Speaker 2: and Tyler, listening this afternoon really struck a chord, and

1510
01:11:42,853 --> 01:11:45,133
Speaker 2: I just wanted to share something from my own experience.

1511
01:11:45,173 --> 01:11:47,293
Speaker 2: You have to live every day as it comes. I

1512
01:11:47,333 --> 01:11:49,892
Speaker 2: lost my first wife at forty two, and well, that's

1513
01:11:49,933 --> 01:11:53,253
Speaker 2: something no one can fully can ever truly prepare for.

1514
01:11:53,572 --> 01:11:55,973
Speaker 2: The one piece of comfort I've always howard onto for

1515
01:11:56,053 --> 01:11:58,852
Speaker 2: both myself and my daughter is that we truly lived.

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Speaker 2: We didn't sit back waiting for some day. We traveled,

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01:12:01,412 --> 01:12:05,133
Speaker 2: We explored, We made the most of what we had

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01:12:05,253 --> 01:12:07,532
Speaker 2: even when money was tight. We bought a house, rented

1519
01:12:07,532 --> 01:12:10,932
Speaker 2: it out, and shows experiences over comfort. That perspective has

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01:12:10,973 --> 01:12:13,492
Speaker 2: stayed with me. Unfortunate to have found love again, and

1521
01:12:14,053 --> 01:12:17,132
Speaker 2: my partner works as a cancer research news she sees

1522
01:12:17,173 --> 01:12:19,892
Speaker 2: far too often people who have waited their whole lives

1523
01:12:19,893 --> 01:12:22,133
Speaker 2: to live, only to be stopped by illness before they

1524
01:12:22,133 --> 01:12:25,052
Speaker 2: get the chance. So now we make a conscious choice

1525
01:12:25,053 --> 01:12:27,692
Speaker 2: to live fully every day, every weekend. We don't wait.

1526
01:12:27,772 --> 01:12:30,892
Speaker 2: We appreciate the simple things, the sunrise, the sunset and

1527
01:12:30,973 --> 01:12:33,892
Speaker 2: everything between. Just thought i'd cheer thanks for what you

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01:12:33,893 --> 01:12:35,693
Speaker 2: guys do. Cheers stew Oh.

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01:12:35,412 --> 01:12:37,612
Speaker 3: Mate, what a text? Can we print that off?

1530
01:12:38,173 --> 01:12:40,893
Speaker 2: I wish the needed some stirring music behind me.

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01:12:41,053 --> 01:12:44,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, I quite happily have that in my house actually,

1532
01:12:44,452 --> 01:12:46,133
Speaker 3: just to look at every day. That was beautiful. Good

1533
01:12:46,133 --> 01:12:48,412
Speaker 3: on you, stud Yeah, I keep those techs coming through

1534
01:12:48,452 --> 01:12:51,412
Speaker 3: A nine to nine two. It is eleven to three.

1535
01:12:51,732 --> 01:12:54,173
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1536
01:12:54,213 --> 01:12:57,692
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

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01:12:57,772 --> 01:13:00,173
Speaker 1: TALKSB News Talks.

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Speaker 3: There be it is nine two three. Chris, what's your thoughts.

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01:13:03,532 --> 01:13:09,133
Speaker 4: On this, gentlemen? I like the idea of holidays and innovations,

1540
01:13:09,492 --> 01:13:14,612
Speaker 4: and this is a method that could help people do both. Okay,

1541
01:13:14,692 --> 01:13:17,772
Speaker 4: So if you've got a mortgage, what you do is

1542
01:13:17,772 --> 01:13:20,692
Speaker 4: you get an offset account, and what you do is

1543
01:13:20,732 --> 01:13:22,892
Speaker 4: you put all of your money from your page into

1544
01:13:22,893 --> 01:13:26,052
Speaker 4: the offset account. And what that does is that helps

1545
01:13:26,412 --> 01:13:30,133
Speaker 4: eliminate as much interest as possible. And then from that

1546
01:13:30,213 --> 01:13:32,893
Speaker 4: account you take out your money when necessary, like for

1547
01:13:33,013 --> 01:13:39,492
Speaker 4: groceries that wis, et cetera. And what that does is

1548
01:13:39,612 --> 01:13:41,492
Speaker 4: it frees up you more to say, I'll just make

1549
01:13:41,532 --> 01:13:43,772
Speaker 4: up some numbers. You've got a mortgage of five hundred grand,

1550
01:13:44,213 --> 01:13:46,173
Speaker 4: and then over the last two or three years you've

1551
01:13:46,893 --> 01:13:50,852
Speaker 4: you've paid off say one hundred thousand. You've still got

1552
01:13:50,853 --> 01:13:53,412
Speaker 4: that account with one hundred thousand dollars in it, and

1553
01:13:53,452 --> 01:13:56,412
Speaker 4: the mortgage still got five hundred thousand in it, but

1554
01:13:56,532 --> 01:13:59,812
Speaker 4: you have offset that interest. But you've got access to

1555
01:14:00,013 --> 01:14:04,732
Speaker 4: that cash. If an emergency pops up, for example, your

1556
01:14:04,732 --> 01:14:07,452
Speaker 4: car gets trash, you need a new car, or you

1557
01:14:07,492 --> 01:14:09,492
Speaker 4: want to go on a whole day, you don't need

1558
01:14:09,532 --> 01:14:12,852
Speaker 4: to ring up a bloke from the bank and go, please, sir,

1559
01:14:13,412 --> 01:14:18,093
Speaker 4: can I withdraw from my mortgage further? It's there and

1560
01:14:18,133 --> 01:14:22,532
Speaker 4: it's yours. And then you just deplete that account to

1561
01:14:22,772 --> 01:14:26,492
Speaker 4: what is necessary and then you can keep going forward.

1562
01:14:26,612 --> 01:14:31,972
Speaker 4: So we had a financial advisor tell us this, and yeah,

1563
01:14:32,013 --> 01:14:33,812
Speaker 4: we had the same thing. We had a car. That's

1564
01:14:33,812 --> 01:14:36,293
Speaker 4: why I brought it st. We had a car get

1565
01:14:36,853 --> 01:14:39,412
Speaker 4: damaged in a hailstorm and we had to buy anyone.

1566
01:14:39,452 --> 01:14:45,093
Speaker 4: So Yeah, if anyone's out there listening, definitely run your

1567
01:14:45,093 --> 01:14:49,732
Speaker 4: mortgage with an offset account, because if you say, for example,

1568
01:14:50,853 --> 01:14:55,092
Speaker 4: can't save a lot that way, you still have access

1569
01:14:55,133 --> 01:14:58,173
Speaker 4: to money, and you can and you can make decisions

1570
01:14:58,213 --> 01:15:01,532
Speaker 4: on your own without having to equill plead with a

1571
01:15:01,532 --> 01:15:03,333
Speaker 4: man in a suit, if you know what I mean.

1572
01:15:03,492 --> 01:15:04,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a smart way to do it.

1573
01:15:04,933 --> 01:15:06,852
Speaker 3: Absolutely, just got to be disciplined. If you've got that

1574
01:15:06,933 --> 01:15:09,852
Speaker 3: way revolving credit, you dip into it too much, then

1575
01:15:09,893 --> 01:15:12,212
Speaker 3: it kind of defeats the purpose of offsetting your mortgage.

1576
01:15:12,452 --> 01:15:14,692
Speaker 2: Depending on how you're employed as well, another good thing

1577
01:15:14,732 --> 01:15:16,812
Speaker 2: to do is to store your tax So if you

1578
01:15:16,812 --> 01:15:18,053
Speaker 2: know you're going to have to pay a lot of

1579
01:15:18,093 --> 01:15:22,532
Speaker 2: tax any given year, you stoy that tax in an

1580
01:15:22,572 --> 01:15:24,892
Speaker 2: offset of mortgage account and then pay out of that

1581
01:15:25,053 --> 01:15:28,253
Speaker 2: so for large swathes of the year, that money sitting

1582
01:15:28,253 --> 01:15:31,133
Speaker 2: in there, not accruing interest.

1583
01:15:30,893 --> 01:15:32,932
Speaker 3: Helping your mortgage. Yeah, yeah, smart strategy.

1584
01:15:32,933 --> 01:15:34,532
Speaker 2: And then you just give all of it to the

1585
01:15:34,532 --> 01:15:38,133
Speaker 2: tax man and you celebrate. Celebrate how much money you

1586
01:15:38,133 --> 01:15:40,133
Speaker 2: get to give to the tax man. What a good

1587
01:15:40,133 --> 01:15:43,213
Speaker 2: moment is better than a holiday or a new kitchen better?

1588
01:15:43,572 --> 01:15:44,892
Speaker 2: How much tax we will pay.

1589
01:15:44,772 --> 01:15:47,012
Speaker 3: All that money, that's the government coffers.

1590
01:15:47,133 --> 01:15:48,692
Speaker 2: Well, the great thing is you know that they spend

1591
01:15:48,692 --> 01:15:52,213
Speaker 2: it so carefully and with so much respect. Yeah.

1592
01:15:52,293 --> 01:15:54,732
Speaker 3: A couple of texts again, A guys, we're in the

1593
01:15:54,772 --> 01:15:57,892
Speaker 3: throes of concreting our very long steep driveway, sick of

1594
01:15:57,893 --> 01:16:01,012
Speaker 3: the gravel, doing some fencing on our lifestyle blog, putting

1595
01:16:01,093 --> 01:16:03,612
Speaker 3: up a arch goal or etc. We've done the travel

1596
01:16:03,652 --> 01:16:06,532
Speaker 3: years ago, but need a comfortable, easy life now we

1597
01:16:06,612 --> 01:16:08,293
Speaker 3: are older. Always do the Renolds.

1598
01:16:08,692 --> 01:16:10,452
Speaker 2: The stick says, do you guys have any friends who

1599
01:16:10,492 --> 01:16:12,852
Speaker 2: say they've got no money? Frequently the next minute they've

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01:16:12,853 --> 01:16:14,812
Speaker 2: gone on holidays. I know lots of friends like this,

1601
01:16:15,492 --> 01:16:19,213
Speaker 2: complaining about money, and then they're in Japan.

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01:16:19,372 --> 01:16:22,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, just from Bali. We got no more money. It's

1603
01:16:22,492 --> 01:16:24,892
Speaker 3: so funny that because you said two weeks in Bali.

1604
01:16:25,013 --> 01:16:26,293
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you don't want to do is

1605
01:16:26,293 --> 01:16:29,093
Speaker 2: try and fix a relationship with a holiday. So if

1606
01:16:29,133 --> 01:16:31,452
Speaker 2: you've decided you're going to band age over the problems

1607
01:16:31,452 --> 01:16:36,252
Speaker 2: in your relationship by going to I don't know, Europe, yeah,

1608
01:16:36,372 --> 01:16:37,452
Speaker 2: that doesn't work.

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01:16:37,492 --> 01:16:38,892
Speaker 3: It's called a lose lose situation.

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01:16:39,053 --> 01:16:41,692
Speaker 2: You lose money, you have a massive barney and the

1611
01:16:41,772 --> 01:16:44,213
Speaker 2: uber on the way to the airport and then you

1612
01:16:44,412 --> 01:16:47,532
Speaker 2: freeze each other out for three days for three weeks.

1613
01:16:47,652 --> 01:16:48,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, a terrible way to do it.

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01:16:49,173 --> 01:16:51,532
Speaker 2: Hey, lads, our kids at eight and five, we've just

1615
01:16:51,612 --> 01:16:54,452
Speaker 2: renovated three quarters of our place. As at the stage

1616
01:16:54,492 --> 01:16:56,532
Speaker 2: in life we spend more time around home with the

1617
01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:58,812
Speaker 2: kids and friends, etc. See that's a good point. We

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01:16:58,893 --> 01:17:01,053
Speaker 2: plan to finish the house this year, then hammer the

1619
01:17:01,053 --> 01:17:04,093
Speaker 2: mortgage with any luck, and enjoy some travel with them

1620
01:17:04,173 --> 01:17:06,133
Speaker 2: as they get older and we can do a bit

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01:17:06,133 --> 01:17:09,092
Speaker 2: more and they are more likely going to remember. Cheers.

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01:17:09,572 --> 01:17:11,333
Speaker 2: I mean, I've I took my kids on so many

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01:17:11,372 --> 01:17:14,812
Speaker 2: overseas holidays when they were younger, and you got a

1624
01:17:14,853 --> 01:17:16,572
Speaker 2: time it right. Yeah, you got a time it right,

1625
01:17:16,612 --> 01:17:18,652
Speaker 2: because there was a point where they don't can't even

1626
01:17:18,652 --> 01:17:22,692
Speaker 2: comprehend that then that they're outside of home, you know

1627
01:17:22,732 --> 01:17:23,013
Speaker 2: what I mean?

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01:17:23,093 --> 01:17:25,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, what you reckon. The cutoff is four or five,

1629
01:17:26,213 --> 01:17:27,573
Speaker 3: maybe even a bit older.

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01:17:28,173 --> 01:17:30,772
Speaker 2: For I think I think eight is a good Between

1631
01:17:30,812 --> 01:17:33,772
Speaker 2: eight and about fifteen is the best time to take

1632
01:17:33,853 --> 01:17:34,972
Speaker 2: kids on overseas trips.

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01:17:35,013 --> 01:17:37,733
Speaker 3: Yep, they're still going to remember it and talk about it. Yeah,

1634
01:17:37,853 --> 01:17:40,933
Speaker 3: a great discussion. Thank you to everybody who text and

1635
01:17:41,133 --> 01:17:43,532
Speaker 3: called on that one really appreciate it, really enjoyed that

1636
01:17:43,612 --> 01:17:45,812
Speaker 3: it's coming up after three o'clock.

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01:17:45,853 --> 01:17:46,053
Speaker 22: Though.

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01:17:46,333 --> 01:17:50,092
Speaker 3: Fascinating investigation by Jared Savage in the New Zealand Herald

1639
01:17:50,333 --> 01:17:53,652
Speaker 3: points to allegations jail gang members are continuing to run

1640
01:17:53,772 --> 01:17:58,412
Speaker 3: major drug smuggling operations from behind bars by directing corrupt

1641
01:17:58,732 --> 01:18:02,492
Speaker 3: airport workers so authorities claimed too influential inmates were use

1642
01:18:02,572 --> 01:18:06,532
Speaker 3: smuggled mobile phones to coordinate these shipments of methamphetamine into

1643
01:18:06,572 --> 01:18:10,612
Speaker 3: the country, relying on compromise staff at Auckland Airport. It's

1644
01:18:10,652 --> 01:18:12,173
Speaker 3: a hell of a story and we're gonna have a

1645
01:18:12,213 --> 01:18:15,652
Speaker 3: chat to Jared Savage about that after three o'clock. Then

1646
01:18:15,692 --> 01:18:17,572
Speaker 3: we will be taking your calls on eight hundred and

1647
01:18:17,612 --> 01:18:19,612
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty and if you want to taxt nine

1648
01:18:19,612 --> 01:18:22,452
Speaker 3: to ninety two is the text number. Newsport and Weather

1649
01:18:22,652 --> 01:18:25,053
Speaker 3: is coming up grade. Have your company. You're listening to

1650
01:18:25,093 --> 01:18:27,532
Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler. We'll be back very soon.

1651
01:18:35,772 --> 01:18:39,892
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

1652
01:18:40,213 --> 01:18:43,973
Speaker 1: everything in between. Kid's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoon

1653
01:18:44,133 --> 01:18:46,492
Speaker 1: squid s Gooder News Talk said.

1654
01:18:46,293 --> 01:18:50,572
Speaker 3: Ben, afternoon to you, welcome back to the show. It

1655
01:18:50,652 --> 01:18:53,812
Speaker 3: is six pass three great to have your company. So

1656
01:18:53,893 --> 01:18:58,092
Speaker 3: this is a fascinating investigation by New Zealand Herald reporter

1657
01:18:58,173 --> 01:19:02,133
Speaker 3: Jared Savage. So his investigation points to allegations jail gag

1658
01:19:02,173 --> 01:19:05,452
Speaker 3: members are continuing to run major drug smuggling operations from

1659
01:19:05,452 --> 01:19:09,852
Speaker 3: behind bars by directing corrupt airport workers. Authorities. Claimed two

1660
01:19:10,013 --> 01:19:13,732
Speaker 3: inmates use smuggled mobile phones to coordinate these shipments of

1661
01:19:13,732 --> 01:19:17,293
Speaker 3: methan fetamine into New Zealand, relying on compromise staff at

1662
01:19:17,293 --> 01:19:21,612
Speaker 3: Auckland Airport to bypass security and retrieve drugs from incoming flights.

1663
01:19:21,893 --> 01:19:24,772
Speaker 3: The operation is part of a wider transnational crime network

1664
01:19:24,812 --> 01:19:28,253
Speaker 3: involving gangs, with police and Customs describing it as a

1665
01:19:28,572 --> 01:19:32,812
Speaker 3: significant and sophisticated system that exploits both the prison systems

1666
01:19:33,093 --> 01:19:36,093
Speaker 3: and airport processes to bring large quantities of drugs into

1667
01:19:36,093 --> 01:19:36,652
Speaker 3: New Zealand.

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01:19:36,772 --> 01:19:40,132
Speaker 2: So fifty one hundred kgs of methan fetamine or cocaine

1669
01:19:40,133 --> 01:19:43,372
Speaker 2: at the time at a time unreal so and twenty

1670
01:19:43,452 --> 01:19:49,092
Speaker 2: baggage handlers were caught twenty. I mean, how many baggage handlers,

1671
01:19:49,333 --> 01:19:52,612
Speaker 2: International baggage handlers do we have in this country? If

1672
01:19:52,652 --> 01:19:54,372
Speaker 2: twenty of them were involved.

1673
01:19:53,973 --> 01:19:55,253
Speaker 3: It's a fair question that's.

1674
01:19:55,133 --> 01:19:58,452
Speaker 2: Going to be is it one, is it five percent?

1675
01:19:58,652 --> 01:20:01,252
Speaker 2: Is it ten percent of or baggage handlers?

1676
01:20:01,333 --> 01:20:03,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, nineteen nine two off, you know, but that seems

1677
01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:05,572
Speaker 3: like a big percentage of the ones in Auckland.

1678
01:20:05,812 --> 01:20:08,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them. The interesting part of this is,

1679
01:20:08,372 --> 01:20:11,013
Speaker 2: as we were saying, before you lock someone up, take

1680
01:20:11,013 --> 01:20:14,372
Speaker 2: away their freedoms, surround them with walls, guards and razor wire,

1681
01:20:15,013 --> 01:20:20,852
Speaker 2: and yet they're still running an international drugs operation and

1682
01:20:21,772 --> 01:20:25,772
Speaker 2: look smuggled phone. This is all legit at this page. Yes,

1683
01:20:25,933 --> 01:20:28,293
Speaker 2: but there always seems to be a way to get

1684
01:20:28,293 --> 01:20:31,132
Speaker 2: a phone into prison, doesn't it.

1685
01:20:31,133 --> 01:20:31,532
Speaker 3: It does.

1686
01:20:32,812 --> 01:20:36,812
Speaker 2: It seems that prisons are very porous operations. But then

1687
01:20:36,973 --> 01:20:42,333
Speaker 2: so is our customs obviously, because so they call it

1688
01:20:42,412 --> 01:20:45,852
Speaker 2: rip on rip off, right, So they remove the bags

1689
01:20:45,853 --> 01:20:50,293
Speaker 2: before security screening. So how does that process work? Because

1690
01:20:51,293 --> 01:20:53,173
Speaker 2: you know when you're coming into the country, right, So

1691
01:20:53,213 --> 01:20:55,452
Speaker 2: if you're coming off a plane, there's a bit when

1692
01:20:55,492 --> 01:20:57,972
Speaker 2: you're walking up, then it gets screened and it goes

1693
01:20:58,013 --> 01:21:00,372
Speaker 2: through right yep. So if you're a smuggler at that point,

1694
01:21:00,412 --> 01:21:03,493
Speaker 2: if you're a mule, then that is your point of concern.

1695
01:21:04,053 --> 01:21:06,052
Speaker 2: Whether you get picked up at that stage you're taken

1696
01:21:06,053 --> 01:21:10,612
Speaker 2: aside by customs. So is there just one point in

1697
01:21:10,692 --> 01:21:14,532
Speaker 2: the airport where it gets screened, So anything happens before

1698
01:21:14,652 --> 01:21:17,532
Speaker 2: that isn't looked at. There's not people overlooking it, there's

1699
01:21:17,572 --> 01:21:21,372
Speaker 2: not customs people watching what's happening with those handlers? How

1700
01:21:21,412 --> 01:21:23,013
Speaker 2: do they get the baggage out of there? So you've

1701
01:21:23,013 --> 01:21:27,532
Speaker 2: got one hundred kg of meth and fetamine, there's a

1702
01:21:27,572 --> 01:21:30,732
Speaker 2: bag that you know is marked, you move it to

1703
01:21:30,772 --> 01:21:32,053
Speaker 2: the side, and.

1704
01:21:32,013 --> 01:21:33,932
Speaker 3: Then how do you get it out from that point?

1705
01:21:34,372 --> 01:21:37,732
Speaker 2: Is there no you know, hey, Johnny's leaving. He seems

1706
01:21:37,772 --> 01:21:41,812
Speaker 2: to have a huge suitcase that he didn't bring this

1707
01:21:41,853 --> 01:21:42,892
Speaker 2: morning with his lunch.

1708
01:21:42,893 --> 01:21:44,452
Speaker 3: Because I don't know how you get off the tarmac

1709
01:21:44,492 --> 01:21:46,652
Speaker 3: at that point. So it's all security doors back into

1710
01:21:46,652 --> 01:21:48,293
Speaker 3: the airport. What do you chuck it on one of

1711
01:21:48,333 --> 01:21:51,173
Speaker 3: those little gokuts they've got and somehow wing it over

1712
01:21:51,213 --> 01:21:53,093
Speaker 3: the fence? I mean, I just don't understand how they

1713
01:21:53,133 --> 01:21:53,612
Speaker 3: get that for it.

1714
01:21:53,692 --> 01:21:56,652
Speaker 2: And you've got like twenty here that have been caught

1715
01:21:56,692 --> 01:22:02,412
Speaker 2: twenty baggage handlers? Is that because you just inevitably get caught?

1716
01:22:02,452 --> 01:22:05,532
Speaker 2: So interesting? Why you know they call them compromised? How

1717
01:22:05,612 --> 01:22:08,612
Speaker 2: they compromise. Is it threats or is it or is

1718
01:22:08,652 --> 01:22:12,173
Speaker 2: it for their own financial gain? How do they get recruited?

1719
01:22:12,652 --> 01:22:18,092
Speaker 2: I mean this, this alleged operator from within the prisons,

1720
01:22:18,293 --> 01:22:23,612
Speaker 2: I mean he's not he's not recruiting people? Is he

1721
01:22:23,692 --> 01:22:26,972
Speaker 2: with his phone that's been smuggled in? However? You smuggle

1722
01:22:26,973 --> 01:22:28,173
Speaker 2: a phone in uncomfortably?

1723
01:22:28,452 --> 01:22:30,692
Speaker 3: Yeh yeah, yeah, I mean I don't think they bake

1724
01:22:30,732 --> 01:22:32,612
Speaker 3: it in the cake anymore. But I one hundred and

1725
01:22:32,652 --> 01:22:36,412
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. If you've got some thoughts on how

1726
01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:39,173
Speaker 3: these prisoners get these phones in the first place. Why

1727
01:22:39,173 --> 01:22:43,052
Speaker 3: aren't they monitored? But also is there, you know, some loopholes?

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Speaker 3: Is our border a little bit porous if this is

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Speaker 3: the kind of thing that can happen. I wait, one

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01:22:47,692 --> 01:22:49,092
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the two areas of porousness. Yeah, paucity, poorousnessnessness.

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Speaker 2: I'll look up you.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty good. Well, maybe the first one.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about two areas poorous areas prisons in terms

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01:23:03,213 --> 01:23:05,852
Speaker 2: of getting the phones in to be used in this

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01:23:05,973 --> 01:23:10,492
Speaker 2: kind of operation, and just the one hundred kg bags

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01:23:10,492 --> 01:23:13,013
Speaker 2: that seem to be able to be snaffled before they

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01:23:13,093 --> 01:23:16,412
Speaker 2: go through proper inspection and get taken out the side

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01:23:16,732 --> 01:23:18,013
Speaker 2: and distributed.

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Speaker 3: If you know how it's done. Oh, eight one hundred

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01:23:19,133 --> 01:23:21,012
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine

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01:23:21,013 --> 01:23:23,492
Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text. But coming up after

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01:23:23,492 --> 01:23:26,092
Speaker 3: the break, we are going to talk with Jared Savage

1744
01:23:26,093 --> 01:23:28,213
Speaker 3: who wrote this story. So that is coming up next.

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Speaker 3: It is eleven past three.

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Speaker 2: Poorisicity?

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01:23:31,013 --> 01:23:32,772
Speaker 3: Porisicity? Sounds really good?

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01:23:33,173 --> 01:23:33,732
Speaker 2: Someone will know.

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01:23:34,492 --> 01:23:36,972
Speaker 3: We'll google that next. We'll find out nine nine two

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01:23:36,973 --> 01:23:39,572
Speaker 3: if you know, back very shortly and we'll be speaking

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01:23:39,572 --> 01:23:40,533
Speaker 3: with Jared Savage.

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Speaker 1: His talks'd be.

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01:23:42,492 --> 01:23:45,733
Speaker 3: It is fourteen past three, so and in depth investigation

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01:23:45,893 --> 01:23:48,412
Speaker 3: in the New Zealand here points to allegations jail gang

1755
01:23:48,452 --> 01:23:51,692
Speaker 3: members are continuing to run major drug smaggling operations from

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01:23:51,732 --> 01:23:56,692
Speaker 3: behind bars by directing corrupt airport workers. The reporter behind

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Speaker 3: the investigation is Jared Savage, and he joins us now afternoon, Jared, afternoon, guys,

1758
01:24:02,452 --> 01:24:03,732
Speaker 3: like very good.

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Speaker 2: Now, twenty bag of handlers busted last year alone. I

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01:24:07,293 --> 01:24:09,532
Speaker 2: believe that that seems like a huge percentage of the

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01:24:09,572 --> 01:24:12,213
Speaker 2: total baggage handlers. How are they recruiting so many people

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01:24:12,253 --> 01:24:13,772
Speaker 2: to get involved in this?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I mean, I'm not sure the total number of baggage workers,

1765
01:24:18,013 --> 01:24:19,932
Speaker 14: but it is a it is a large number.

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Speaker 19: There.

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Speaker 14: A lot of this comes down to kind of familial

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01:24:24,492 --> 01:24:25,253
Speaker 14: or family ties.

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Speaker 25: So somebody will know somebody and you know, an introduction

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01:24:30,452 --> 01:24:34,092
Speaker 25: will be made someone the baggage handler will be asked

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01:24:34,133 --> 01:24:37,333
Speaker 25: to do them a favor. They might not even necessarily

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Speaker 25: know that it's, you know, drugs or something illegal at first,

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01:24:41,692 --> 01:24:44,973
Speaker 25: but once you've got somebody on the hook. Some of

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Speaker 25: these baggage handlers have been allegedly offered like forty thousand

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01:24:48,253 --> 01:24:51,932
Speaker 25: dollars per time. So if you're in, if you're any

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01:24:51,933 --> 01:24:55,572
Speaker 25: minimum wage or close to it, and someone offers you

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01:24:55,652 --> 01:24:58,692
Speaker 25: that kind of chunk of change, it would be hard

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Speaker 25: to turn down.

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Speaker 2: Is there any coercion? You know, famously in drug dealing situations,

1780
01:25:06,013 --> 01:25:08,812
Speaker 2: threats are made to get people to do things. Is

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01:25:09,093 --> 01:25:10,093
Speaker 2: that a part of it as well?

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01:25:10,772 --> 01:25:12,053
Speaker 24: I think that is a part of it.

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Speaker 14: I'm not aware of any specific examples in relation to

1784
01:25:16,853 --> 01:25:17,412
Speaker 14: this case.

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01:25:18,133 --> 01:25:18,333
Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 15: Anecdotally, you hear rumors of you know, people churning up

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01:25:23,372 --> 01:25:28,572
Speaker 15: that you know, people's oh generals at the airport.

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01:25:29,093 --> 01:25:31,852
Speaker 3: You know, sorry we just lost you there. Sorry, we

1789
01:25:31,893 --> 01:25:34,532
Speaker 3: just lost you there briefly you just put back up.

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01:25:35,612 --> 01:25:35,812
Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: I think there are examples of commision now people chitting

1792
01:25:38,492 --> 01:25:42,173
Speaker 14: about other people's houses and sort of laying laying a

1793
01:25:42,213 --> 01:25:44,253
Speaker 14: bit of well you better help out or else.

1794
01:25:44,893 --> 01:25:46,372
Speaker 15: I think that's definitely part of it.

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01:25:46,732 --> 01:25:48,572
Speaker 26: And I think even if that doesn't happen in the

1796
01:25:48,612 --> 01:25:52,053
Speaker 26: early stages of that sort of corruption, I think that

1797
01:25:52,732 --> 01:25:56,293
Speaker 26: once you've got on the home, the fear of it

1798
01:25:56,093 --> 01:25:57,732
Speaker 26: is going to keep you there, right.

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01:25:57,732 --> 01:26:01,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're now in. You are now and so

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01:26:01,652 --> 01:26:05,333
Speaker 2: liable for anyone being rating you out. So so it's

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01:26:05,372 --> 01:26:09,053
Speaker 2: called the rip on ripoff method, I understand, Jared. So

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01:26:09,093 --> 01:26:13,572
Speaker 2: how does that actually work? When does it? So baggage

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01:26:13,572 --> 01:26:16,013
Speaker 2: comes in and it seems to have this sort of

1804
01:26:16,093 --> 01:26:20,933
Speaker 2: free range situation before it's engaged with any kind of customs.

1805
01:26:21,692 --> 01:26:24,892
Speaker 14: Yeah, so you need sort of corrupt the baggage handlers

1806
01:26:24,933 --> 01:26:27,213
Speaker 14: at both ends of the flight. So a lot of

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01:26:27,213 --> 01:26:29,812
Speaker 14: these flights are coming from the United States. This is

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01:26:29,893 --> 01:26:33,492
Speaker 14: carteil drugs coming here. And what's happening is someone in

1809
01:26:33,692 --> 01:26:37,372
Speaker 14: LA will put the bags on. There will be anywhere

1810
01:26:37,372 --> 01:26:40,453
Speaker 14: between ten to twenty kilos of methyl cocaine.

1811
01:26:41,412 --> 01:26:45,412
Speaker 27: Most often those bags are sort of swept through the

1812
01:26:45,492 --> 01:26:48,932
Speaker 27: airport in la into the bulkhold of the plane, right,

1813
01:26:49,933 --> 01:26:53,692
Speaker 27: photographs of those bags, those particular bags will be sent

1814
01:26:53,853 --> 01:26:57,012
Speaker 27: to the baggage handlers at this end of it, saying

1815
01:26:57,173 --> 01:27:00,652
Speaker 27: look out for these bags on this particular flight, and

1816
01:27:00,692 --> 01:27:03,293
Speaker 27: then the baggagechandlers at this end will kind of coordinate

1817
01:27:03,333 --> 01:27:07,052
Speaker 27: themselves to make sure that they're able to access that flight.

1818
01:27:07,532 --> 01:27:10,372
Speaker 27: At the other end, they get into the plane, they

1819
01:27:10,372 --> 01:27:12,492
Speaker 27: pull them out and instead of putting them on the

1820
01:27:12,572 --> 01:27:15,573
Speaker 27: on the baggage carousel with your bags and mine, and

1821
01:27:15,652 --> 01:27:19,653
Speaker 27: let's face it, they're often often get lost. These particular

1822
01:27:19,652 --> 01:27:22,692
Speaker 27: bags are sort of just they just carry them out

1823
01:27:22,692 --> 01:27:25,213
Speaker 27: the back door basically into their cars and then in

1824
01:27:25,293 --> 01:27:25,852
Speaker 27: a way you go.

1825
01:27:26,053 --> 01:27:28,652
Speaker 2: So, I mean, this seems to be cameras Absolutely everywhere

1826
01:27:28,692 --> 01:27:31,293
Speaker 2: at an airport, every single direction there's a camera. So

1827
01:27:31,372 --> 01:27:35,573
Speaker 2: if Johnny on baggage handling is suddenly leaving with a

1828
01:27:35,612 --> 01:27:39,852
Speaker 2: bag that weighs fifty kgs, then isn't that gonna come

1829
01:27:39,933 --> 01:27:41,253
Speaker 2: up on the on the camera And so that's not

1830
01:27:41,253 --> 01:27:42,092
Speaker 2: what he brought his luncheon.

1831
01:27:43,013 --> 01:27:46,372
Speaker 14: Yeah, And I think your raise a really good point,

1832
01:27:46,452 --> 01:27:49,173
Speaker 14: and I think the airports themselves and some of the

1833
01:27:49,732 --> 01:27:52,173
Speaker 14: aviation services have been a little bit naive to this

1834
01:27:52,572 --> 01:27:55,333
Speaker 14: and kind of in recent years, but have been up,

1835
01:27:55,412 --> 01:27:57,173
Speaker 14: you know, come up to speed a lot because of

1836
01:27:57,213 --> 01:28:01,333
Speaker 14: these investigations. I mean, I'm aware of instances where you know,

1837
01:28:01,412 --> 01:28:05,652
Speaker 14: baggage handlers who work solely at the domestic terminal that

1838
01:28:05,893 --> 01:28:09,812
Speaker 14: are then driving across the tarmac to the international side

1839
01:28:09,853 --> 01:28:12,692
Speaker 14: of things to help out with these loads coming in.

1840
01:28:12,812 --> 01:28:15,013
Speaker 14: I mean, you know that should be raising red flags,

1841
01:28:15,173 --> 01:28:17,652
Speaker 14: and it has in more recent times.

1842
01:28:18,612 --> 01:28:21,933
Speaker 15: But you're absolutely right. There's cameras everywhere, there's security everywhere.

1843
01:28:22,893 --> 01:28:25,333
Speaker 14: You would think that these sorts of things would be

1844
01:28:25,372 --> 01:28:30,572
Speaker 14: getting noticed more often, and I think they will be

1845
01:28:30,572 --> 01:28:33,852
Speaker 14: because there's a greater awareness now that the border is

1846
01:28:34,213 --> 01:28:38,133
Speaker 14: far more porous because of these lax security protocols.

1847
01:28:38,213 --> 01:28:40,732
Speaker 3: Are they working the shifts as well? Jared? As in

1848
01:28:40,812 --> 01:28:44,213
Speaker 3: that you might have one baggage handler who's compromised, but

1849
01:28:44,333 --> 01:28:47,013
Speaker 3: clearly there's more than one operating at a time. So

1850
01:28:47,053 --> 01:28:50,372
Speaker 3: are they rigging the shifts that you've got multiple guys

1851
01:28:50,372 --> 01:28:52,692
Speaker 3: who are on the hook at one time to prevent

1852
01:28:52,692 --> 01:28:54,333
Speaker 3: anybody saying, hey, what the hell are you doing?

1853
01:28:55,333 --> 01:28:57,932
Speaker 14: Yeah, And I think what they do tend to the

1854
01:28:57,933 --> 01:29:00,572
Speaker 14: ones that I've seen do tend to be working in

1855
01:29:00,572 --> 01:29:02,053
Speaker 14: groups of three or four.

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01:29:02,572 --> 01:29:03,253
Speaker 15: The one of.

1857
01:29:03,173 --> 01:29:06,013
Speaker 14: Those baggage handlers will normally be the conduit to the

1858
01:29:06,093 --> 01:29:09,892
Speaker 14: organized crime groups, so they will be ship thing, you know,

1859
01:29:09,933 --> 01:29:13,133
Speaker 14: they'll be sharing roster information to be like this is

1860
01:29:13,173 --> 01:29:16,612
Speaker 14: when our guys are on at the airport. And so

1861
01:29:16,692 --> 01:29:20,213
Speaker 14: therefore the crime groups will be saying, well, let's, you know,

1862
01:29:20,333 --> 01:29:23,652
Speaker 14: let's make sure that the timing of our product coming

1863
01:29:23,692 --> 01:29:26,612
Speaker 14: in coincides with when we've got our guys on the

1864
01:29:26,612 --> 01:29:27,772
Speaker 14: ground that we can rely on.

1865
01:29:28,133 --> 01:29:29,852
Speaker 15: And you know, often it's the same.

1866
01:29:30,173 --> 01:29:34,772
Speaker 14: Allegedly, in this particular case, the one group of baggage

1867
01:29:34,812 --> 01:29:38,293
Speaker 14: handlers is sort of working on behalf of multiple different

1868
01:29:38,293 --> 01:29:39,532
Speaker 14: groups bringing drugs in.

1869
01:29:39,652 --> 01:29:43,333
Speaker 15: So it's no one as having a door into the country.

1870
01:29:42,893 --> 01:29:46,532
Speaker 14: And then that service is almost sort of being you know,

1871
01:29:46,732 --> 01:29:49,093
Speaker 14: farmed out to everybody who wants to get drugs in.

1872
01:29:49,133 --> 01:29:52,213
Speaker 15: It's it's not just one group. It's sort of like

1873
01:29:52,452 --> 01:29:55,053
Speaker 15: a crime a crime service for hire, if you will.

1874
01:29:55,173 --> 01:29:59,132
Speaker 3: Wow, this is fascinating, Jerry. We're going to play some messages,

1875
01:29:59,133 --> 01:30:01,213
Speaker 3: but you're right to stay with us. We've got plenty

1876
01:30:01,253 --> 01:30:04,933
Speaker 3: more questions for you. No worries We are speaking to

1877
01:30:04,973 --> 01:30:09,093
Speaker 3: New Zealand Herald senior investigative journalist Jared Savage. More with

1878
01:30:09,213 --> 01:30:14,652
Speaker 3: him very shortly. It is twenty past three.

1879
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1880
01:30:19,253 --> 01:30:21,933
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB twenty.

1881
01:30:21,732 --> 01:30:24,492
Speaker 3: Three past three and we are talking to New Zealand

1882
01:30:24,492 --> 01:30:28,293
Speaker 3: Herald's senior investigative journalist Jared Savage, who's conducted an in

1883
01:30:28,372 --> 01:30:31,893
Speaker 3: depth investigation into allegations jail gang members are continuing to

1884
01:30:31,973 --> 01:30:35,972
Speaker 3: run major drug smuggling operations from behind bars. Jared, thanks again.

1885
01:30:35,812 --> 01:30:37,972
Speaker 15: For your time, no worries.

1886
01:30:38,053 --> 01:30:41,893
Speaker 3: So tell us how is the operation actually being coordinated

1887
01:30:41,933 --> 01:30:42,492
Speaker 3: from prison?

1888
01:30:44,333 --> 01:30:48,132
Speaker 14: Yeah, well that's another fascinating part of this whole situation.

1889
01:30:48,253 --> 01:30:51,253
Speaker 14: It's not just corruption at the airports. I mean, it's

1890
01:30:51,293 --> 01:30:55,173
Speaker 14: seemingly corruption in the prisons as well. You had some

1891
01:30:55,333 --> 01:30:59,652
Speaker 14: senior amongst those who have been charged last year's part

1892
01:30:59,692 --> 01:31:04,653
Speaker 14: of this police operation would two sort of very influential

1893
01:31:04,933 --> 01:31:08,892
Speaker 14: criminals who are serving already serving long sentences for for

1894
01:31:09,013 --> 01:31:11,852
Speaker 14: other crimes, and they are coordinating and lead.

1895
01:31:11,893 --> 01:31:13,012
Speaker 15: This is what the police alleged.

1896
01:31:13,053 --> 01:31:17,253
Speaker 14: They are coordinating from behind bars large amounts of drugs

1897
01:31:17,253 --> 01:31:21,412
Speaker 14: to be coming into the country, and this is all

1898
01:31:21,452 --> 01:31:23,732
Speaker 14: done through smuggled cell phones.

1899
01:31:23,893 --> 01:31:24,692
Speaker 15: Basically, there's the.

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01:31:24,612 --> 01:31:27,732
Speaker 14: Cell phones that are getting in inside our prisons and

1901
01:31:27,772 --> 01:31:31,772
Speaker 14: then they're able to use them to speak with you know,

1902
01:31:31,893 --> 01:31:35,293
Speaker 14: they're sort of they're lieutenants, they're sort of minions. They're

1903
01:31:35,293 --> 01:31:37,932
Speaker 14: outsiders who are on the outside of the prison walls

1904
01:31:37,933 --> 01:31:41,852
Speaker 14: and carrying out what needs to be done to get

1905
01:31:41,853 --> 01:31:43,132
Speaker 14: these drugs into the country.

1906
01:31:43,532 --> 01:31:46,093
Speaker 2: Once again, you think about cameras and you think about

1907
01:31:46,093 --> 01:31:48,732
Speaker 2: how easy it is to surveil everyone that's just walking

1908
01:31:48,772 --> 01:31:51,772
Speaker 2: around their everyday life, and yet you've got someone with

1909
01:31:51,812 --> 01:31:56,212
Speaker 2: a phone, they've got a charger, you know, they're plugging

1910
01:31:56,213 --> 01:32:00,972
Speaker 2: it in. So is the suggestion that a blind eye

1911
01:32:01,133 --> 01:32:04,932
Speaker 2: is being being you know, that people are looking away

1912
01:32:04,973 --> 01:32:07,173
Speaker 2: and allowing this to happen.

1913
01:32:08,492 --> 01:32:11,452
Speaker 14: Absolutely, And I think so we are sort of the

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01:32:11,452 --> 01:32:13,933
Speaker 14: Department of Corrections and Questions about this and sort of

1915
01:32:13,973 --> 01:32:16,213
Speaker 14: they came back with an answer that said, you know,

1916
01:32:16,213 --> 01:32:19,092
Speaker 14: we take contravend seriously. We've got you know, we've got scanners,

1917
01:32:19,093 --> 01:32:22,572
Speaker 14: we've got X rays, We've got you know, dogs, you know,

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01:32:22,612 --> 01:32:23,372
Speaker 14: slipping dogs.

1919
01:32:23,372 --> 01:32:24,732
Speaker 15: We've got all sorts here.

1920
01:32:26,093 --> 01:32:29,572
Speaker 14: People, can you know, chuck chuck items over the fence

1921
01:32:29,612 --> 01:32:30,932
Speaker 14: if they need so, people get.

1922
01:32:30,812 --> 01:32:32,293
Speaker 15: To smuggle them inside their bodies.

1923
01:32:32,532 --> 01:32:35,013
Speaker 14: But what they didn't actually address was, you know, the

1924
01:32:35,093 --> 01:32:38,852
Speaker 14: sort of the question relegation around are your staff bringing

1925
01:32:38,893 --> 01:32:42,772
Speaker 14: these phones in? And you know, from my understanding about works,

1926
01:32:42,853 --> 01:32:46,372
Speaker 14: that is exactly what's going on here. There are and

1927
01:32:46,412 --> 01:32:48,812
Speaker 14: it's the same with the baggage handlers. People are offering

1928
01:32:48,812 --> 01:32:52,532
Speaker 14: you big money to to bring in some cigarettes or

1929
01:32:52,572 --> 01:32:54,932
Speaker 14: something to smoke. It's probably not that big a deal,

1930
01:32:54,973 --> 01:32:57,692
Speaker 14: but next time they ask, it's to bring in a phone.

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01:32:58,612 --> 01:33:01,213
Speaker 15: You know, you're on the hook already, you know, you

1932
01:33:01,293 --> 01:33:02,973
Speaker 15: might be. There might be some sort of coersion or

1933
01:33:03,013 --> 01:33:04,093
Speaker 15: intimidation as well.

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01:33:04,213 --> 01:33:07,652
Speaker 14: Is so it's you know, I'm pretty certain that a

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01:33:07,692 --> 01:33:08,973
Speaker 14: lot of these bones.

1936
01:33:08,732 --> 01:33:13,132
Speaker 15: At the getting and are through corrupt corrupt prison guards.

1937
01:33:13,692 --> 01:33:17,892
Speaker 14: And that's that's quite a statement to say, but you

1938
01:33:17,933 --> 01:33:20,852
Speaker 14: know that's to me, it's the most obvious route.

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01:33:21,532 --> 01:33:23,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean i'd be ordering the will I

1940
01:33:23,612 --> 01:33:26,253
Speaker 2: be bringing in the four point seven inch iPhone se

1941
01:33:26,333 --> 01:33:29,812
Speaker 2: rather than the full six point nine inches, you know,

1942
01:33:29,853 --> 01:33:34,492
Speaker 2: one of the newer plus friendlier the Pro or the

1943
01:33:34,532 --> 01:33:36,612
Speaker 2: Plus or the Pro Max models just.

1944
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Speaker 15: A bit more, a bit more comfortable.

1945
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Speaker 2: So what kind of sentences to both baggage handlers and

1946
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Speaker 2: say prison guards that they're allowing this. I mean, they're

1947
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Speaker 2: quite different crimes, aren't they. But say, let's go to

1948
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Speaker 2: the baggage handler. If you're facilitating let's say twenty kgs

1949
01:33:55,372 --> 01:33:59,493
Speaker 2: of myth and fetamine getting through then and you get busted,

1950
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Speaker 2: what kind of sentences are you facing, Jarrett, Well.

1951
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Speaker 14: Sort of, you know, importing a class a drag like

1952
01:34:05,293 --> 01:34:09,412
Speaker 14: myth and fetamine or coke carries a maximum life imprisonment.

1953
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Speaker 15: So that's it's the same as.

1954
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Speaker 14: Murder basically, but it also depends on where you are,

1955
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Speaker 14: Like the judge will take into consideration where you are

1956
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Speaker 14: in the pecking order. So if you're a lowly baggage

1957
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Speaker 14: handler and you know you kind of turn to blind eye,

1958
01:34:26,372 --> 01:34:28,612
Speaker 14: or you know it was your first offense, all these

1959
01:34:28,652 --> 01:34:31,973
Speaker 14: other kind of mitigating features, you know you're not going

1960
01:34:32,013 --> 01:34:32,852
Speaker 14: to get a life sentence.

1961
01:34:32,893 --> 01:34:35,572
Speaker 15: You know you might you might get a few years

1962
01:34:35,572 --> 01:34:36,052
Speaker 15: in prison.

1963
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Speaker 14: If you're higher up the picking order, the judge will

1964
01:34:39,973 --> 01:34:41,852
Speaker 14: look less kindly on that, and you know you might

1965
01:34:41,893 --> 01:34:44,452
Speaker 14: be looking at I mean a lot of these sort

1966
01:34:44,492 --> 01:34:47,052
Speaker 14: of syndicate kind of leader kind of guys are getting

1967
01:34:47,053 --> 01:34:52,092
Speaker 14: anywhere between you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years for bringing

1968
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Speaker 14: in large amounts of drokes.

1969
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Speaker 15: So you know, it's it's it's a huge it's a

1970
01:34:59,013 --> 01:35:00,293
Speaker 15: huge risk to take.

1971
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Speaker 14: But at the same time, you know, you are earning,

1972
01:35:04,732 --> 01:35:08,253
Speaker 14: earning a lot of money, so that's that becomes that

1973
01:35:08,412 --> 01:35:11,293
Speaker 14: sort of you know, that risk reward calculation that that

1974
01:35:11,372 --> 01:35:15,213
Speaker 14: people that people make. But to be honest, like the

1975
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Speaker 14: people making like the most money, you know, using these

1976
01:35:18,452 --> 01:35:23,093
Speaker 14: bagga chandlers, they're exploiting them and keeping their distance from

1977
01:35:23,133 --> 01:35:25,612
Speaker 14: the drugs. So that's you know, that's where they're They're

1978
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Speaker 14: the four guys in many regards, so often the judges

1979
01:35:29,893 --> 01:35:32,093
Speaker 14: sort of don't take pity on them, but that that

1980
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Speaker 14: is taken into account when it comes to sentencing.

1981
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Speaker 2: So is this rip on rip off still possible or

1982
01:35:37,372 --> 01:35:40,732
Speaker 2: have the airport's customs and police sort of plugged that hole?

1983
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Speaker 16: Now?

1984
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Speaker 15: Well, I would never say that completely.

1985
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Speaker 14: You never know, you don't know what you don't know right, certainly,

1986
01:35:47,572 --> 01:35:51,253
Speaker 14: they're certainly, Like five years ago, this was a brand

1987
01:35:51,333 --> 01:35:53,972
Speaker 14: new kind of thing when I started reporting on these things,

1988
01:35:54,013 --> 01:35:57,772
Speaker 14: like you know, they you know, and on one occasion,

1989
01:35:57,812 --> 01:36:00,973
Speaker 14: the police were focusing on one group and you know,

1990
01:36:01,053 --> 01:36:05,492
Speaker 14: gathering the evidence, and during that investigation sort of mistakenly

1991
01:36:05,532 --> 01:36:09,732
Speaker 14: stumbled across another group of bagga chandlers doing the same thing.

1992
01:36:09,893 --> 01:36:14,293
Speaker 14: So certainly I think this investigation last year has taken

1993
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Speaker 14: out a huge chunk of those workers who are there.

1994
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Speaker 15: I know the police have.

1995
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Speaker 14: Been working closely with sort of airport business side of

1996
01:36:23,692 --> 01:36:25,492
Speaker 14: things to say, hey, look, these are some things that

1997
01:36:25,572 --> 01:36:28,213
Speaker 14: you could do to make it harder for these groups

1998
01:36:28,213 --> 01:36:31,892
Speaker 14: to operate instead of plugging up those gaps. But the

1999
01:36:31,973 --> 01:36:34,452
Speaker 14: organized crime is clever, and you know I've seen this

2000
01:36:34,532 --> 01:36:38,253
Speaker 14: time and again. As soon as one avenue was closed up,

2001
01:36:39,372 --> 01:36:42,013
Speaker 14: they'll work out a different way, a differentmo or, you know,

2002
01:36:42,013 --> 01:36:45,732
Speaker 14: a slight tweak of them, and until I get caught

2003
01:36:45,732 --> 01:36:49,372
Speaker 14: that way. So I'd be loath to say that that

2004
01:36:49,452 --> 01:36:50,572
Speaker 14: particular method is.

2005
01:36:52,333 --> 01:36:55,052
Speaker 15: Sorted out. I would say we'll be seeing this again

2006
01:36:55,093 --> 01:36:55,772
Speaker 15: more in the future.

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Speaker 2: Well, as always, you're writing is fascinating and terrifying and

2008
01:37:00,612 --> 01:37:03,452
Speaker 2: so thank you so much. I recommend everyone reads this article.

2009
01:37:03,492 --> 01:37:07,053
Speaker 2: Game members allegedly run airport drug ring from prison. It's

2010
01:37:07,093 --> 01:37:08,213
Speaker 2: in the Ensed Herald.

2011
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Speaker 3: Jared Savage, Yeah, Jared, thank you very much. Made It's

2012
01:37:12,093 --> 01:37:14,492
Speaker 3: a fascinating piece and really appreciate you having a chat

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Speaker 3: with us.

2014
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Speaker 15: Lauris. Thanks guys.

2015
01:37:16,572 --> 01:37:20,012
Speaker 3: That is New Zealand HEROLD Senior investigative journalist Jared Savage.

2016
01:37:20,013 --> 01:37:22,812
Speaker 3: So taking your calls, oh eight hundred Yeah, fantastic article.

2017
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Speaker 3: Taking your calls on oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

2018
01:37:25,973 --> 01:37:28,253
Speaker 3: How easy is it to smuggle the likes and mobile

2019
01:37:28,253 --> 01:37:31,092
Speaker 3: phones into the prison system? And if you're any insight

2020
01:37:31,213 --> 01:37:35,372
Speaker 3: into the porosity at our border or indeed in the

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01:37:35,372 --> 01:37:39,093
Speaker 3: prisons nineteen ninety two is the text or porousness porousness

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01:37:39,372 --> 01:37:40,093
Speaker 3: networks as well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think either is quite right. But yeah, and

2024
01:37:44,412 --> 01:37:46,372
Speaker 2: baggae chandling. We've got a few people that detecting through

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Speaker 2: that have worked in baggage handling, so just be interesting

2026
01:37:48,492 --> 01:37:49,932
Speaker 2: to look into how those systems work.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it is bang on he bars three back for.

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2029
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2030
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Speaker 12: government says there's still no signs of fuel supply disruption

2031
01:38:05,452 --> 01:38:09,333
Speaker 12: as the latest figures show rising stocks. Australia is halfing

2032
01:38:09,412 --> 01:38:12,293
Speaker 12: its fuel xise for three months, estimated to bring its

2033
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Speaker 12: cost down by twenty six cents a liter. There'll also

2034
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Speaker 12: be no heavy vehicle road user charges for three months.

2035
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Speaker 12: Labour says the government's proposed to LNG terminal and Taranaki

2036
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Speaker 12: was never going to provide energy security. Newstalk said, b

2037
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Speaker 12: understands multiple ministers of privately admitted Cabinet might walk away

2038
01:38:31,053 --> 01:38:34,892
Speaker 12: from the project after Asian LNG prices more than doubled

2039
01:38:34,893 --> 01:38:37,892
Speaker 12: in the past month. Donald Trump says he has no

2040
01:38:37,933 --> 01:38:40,333
Speaker 12: problem with a Russian oil tanker off the coast of

2041
01:38:40,412 --> 01:38:43,532
Speaker 12: Cuba delivering relief to the island, which has brought it

2042
01:38:43,572 --> 01:38:47,652
Speaker 12: to its knees by a US oil blockade. Multiple failures

2043
01:38:47,692 --> 01:38:50,053
Speaker 12: widered up a hospital left a fifty four year old

2044
01:38:50,093 --> 01:38:54,092
Speaker 12: woman without vital care, contributing to her death. The woman

2045
01:38:54,213 --> 01:38:57,213
Speaker 12: was left with no pain relief for six hours as

2046
01:38:57,213 --> 01:39:00,973
Speaker 12: sepsis took hold, and her family watched her rapidly decline

2047
01:39:01,133 --> 01:39:04,972
Speaker 12: with no explanation. Will Liam Lawson get a red bull

2048
01:39:05,213 --> 01:39:08,452
Speaker 12: sos of max verstaff and does the unthinkable? Reads the

2049
01:39:08,452 --> 01:39:11,253
Speaker 12: full column at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to

2050
01:39:11,293 --> 01:39:12,012
Speaker 12: Matt and Tyler.

2051
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. We're talking about an investigation

2052
01:39:14,372 --> 01:39:17,693
Speaker 3: by Jared Savage. And the Herald. It points to allegations

2053
01:39:17,853 --> 01:39:21,172
Speaker 3: jailed gang members are continuing to run major drug smuggling

2054
01:39:21,253 --> 01:39:24,852
Speaker 3: operations by using corrupt airport workers. So one hundred and

2055
01:39:24,893 --> 01:39:27,652
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty how easy it is it to smuggle

2056
01:39:27,692 --> 01:39:30,293
Speaker 3: contraband into prison and then on the flip side of

2057
01:39:30,333 --> 01:39:31,572
Speaker 3: things with the baggage handlers.

2058
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Speaker 2: Now there's two areas that are being smuggled into the prisons.

2059
01:39:34,772 --> 01:39:38,572
Speaker 2: The phone so the gang members can allegedly run the operation,

2060
01:39:38,893 --> 01:39:43,492
Speaker 2: and the smuggling of the drugs by the baggage handlers. Matthew,

2061
01:39:43,532 --> 01:39:44,812
Speaker 2: welcome to the show. You know a bit about the

2062
01:39:44,812 --> 01:39:47,093
Speaker 2: smuggled phones, Yes, I do.

2063
01:39:47,372 --> 01:39:49,013
Speaker 19: I've got to be careful what I say you because I

2064
01:39:49,013 --> 01:39:51,572
Speaker 19: don't want to betray the trust of somebody that I

2065
01:39:51,612 --> 01:39:55,053
Speaker 19: know better. Somebody quite close to us works in the

2066
01:39:55,093 --> 01:39:59,732
Speaker 19: prison service and the correctionals as a correctional officer. I

2067
01:39:59,732 --> 01:40:05,093
Speaker 19: won't say where, and he doesn't he doesn't partake in

2068
01:40:05,173 --> 01:40:08,772
Speaker 19: this at all. But he has told me that going

2069
01:40:08,933 --> 01:40:12,173
Speaker 19: rate for a phone if you smuggle a phone, which

2070
01:40:12,213 --> 01:40:14,652
Speaker 19: is very easy to do because the officers are not

2071
01:40:14,812 --> 01:40:18,293
Speaker 19: checked when they go on duty, right, so you can

2072
01:40:18,333 --> 01:40:21,212
Speaker 19: smuggle the phone and the going rate is ten thousand

2073
01:40:21,213 --> 01:40:22,052
Speaker 19: dollars per phone.

2074
01:40:22,173 --> 01:40:25,213
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, that is very enticing.

2075
01:40:25,652 --> 01:40:27,532
Speaker 19: Yeah it is. Well, you know, someone wants to go

2076
01:40:27,572 --> 01:40:30,013
Speaker 19: for an overseas holiday, I wants a new car, or

2077
01:40:30,053 --> 01:40:32,372
Speaker 19: if you want to smuggle in three phones, it's thirty grand.

2078
01:40:32,372 --> 01:40:34,173
Speaker 19: You could buy yourself a new car, you know, which

2079
01:40:34,253 --> 01:40:36,972
Speaker 19: is nice, but it's a lot of money. So basically

2080
01:40:37,053 --> 01:40:38,652
Speaker 19: it comes down to the fact that you know, like

2081
01:40:38,692 --> 01:40:42,092
Speaker 19: the customs officers, everybody has a price.

2082
01:40:42,452 --> 01:40:45,173
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Well, and what do you do with that

2083
01:40:45,293 --> 01:40:47,652
Speaker 3: money after though? That's what I can never understand that

2084
01:40:47,652 --> 01:40:50,572
Speaker 3: forty k Jared was saying for the baggage, Chandler's ten

2085
01:40:50,652 --> 01:40:53,253
Speaker 3: k for the phone. At that point, you can't just

2086
01:40:53,293 --> 01:40:55,612
Speaker 3: go and cast that money into the bank. There's going

2087
01:40:55,652 --> 01:40:57,812
Speaker 3: to be people asking questions. So I assume it would

2088
01:40:57,812 --> 01:40:59,892
Speaker 3: have to be cashed. It goes deeper than that, right, yeah,

2089
01:40:59,933 --> 01:41:03,053
Speaker 3: even cash, or there might be money laundering things.

2090
01:41:03,933 --> 01:41:06,692
Speaker 19: Yeah right, it is cash, you know, so you could

2091
01:41:06,692 --> 01:41:11,692
Speaker 19: easily money launder ten twenty thirty thousand dollars. But don't

2092
01:41:11,692 --> 01:41:13,093
Speaker 19: ask me because I've never done it.

2093
01:41:13,213 --> 01:41:15,692
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, casino, for instance, the

2094
01:41:15,732 --> 01:41:17,572
Speaker 3: other side of it would have to be as well.

2095
01:41:17,572 --> 01:41:19,372
Speaker 2: Once it's in there. So you've got the guys get

2096
01:41:19,412 --> 01:41:21,293
Speaker 2: ten k to get through. But then you've got all

2097
01:41:21,293 --> 01:41:23,973
Speaker 2: the other prison guards that aren't noticing someone that's got

2098
01:41:24,013 --> 01:41:29,372
Speaker 2: a iPhone seventeen plugged in with a charger and there sell.

2099
01:41:29,933 --> 01:41:33,372
Speaker 19: Well, they hide it very carefully, and you know, I

2100
01:41:33,372 --> 01:41:35,213
Speaker 19: mean there's not a lot of scrutiny goes on. I

2101
01:41:35,213 --> 01:41:39,253
Speaker 19: mean they just honestly, the prison guards just sort of

2102
01:41:39,253 --> 01:41:43,093
Speaker 19: shrug their shoulders. They know it goes on, and some

2103
01:41:43,133 --> 01:41:45,692
Speaker 19: of them partake in it and some don't. The person

2104
01:41:45,772 --> 01:41:51,052
Speaker 19: I know certainly doesn't, but he knows of other guards

2105
01:41:51,053 --> 01:41:56,492
Speaker 19: that do. They don't squeal on one another. The repercussions

2106
01:41:56,532 --> 01:42:00,972
Speaker 19: would be pretty severe if you did that. And it's

2107
01:42:01,013 --> 01:42:04,013
Speaker 19: a common thing if you want some cash, just a

2108
01:42:04,093 --> 01:42:06,253
Speaker 19: magglin the phone ten thousand bucks per pone.

2109
01:42:07,173 --> 01:42:09,053
Speaker 2: And I guess if you're a prison and I'm not

2110
01:42:09,853 --> 01:42:11,772
Speaker 2: defending this any way, shape or form, but it's kind

2111
01:42:11,772 --> 01:42:14,812
Speaker 2: of like parents putting an eye you know, iPad in

2112
01:42:14,812 --> 01:42:18,213
Speaker 2: front of their kid, you know, iPad babysitting or TV babysitting,

2113
01:42:18,532 --> 01:42:20,333
Speaker 2: you speak, calling in the alder. It's probably not the

2114
01:42:20,333 --> 01:42:22,732
Speaker 2: worst thing in the world for prison guards in terms

2115
01:42:22,772 --> 01:42:25,612
Speaker 2: of their day to day, you know, easiness of their job.

2116
01:42:25,692 --> 01:42:27,812
Speaker 2: If there's someone with a phone in their in their

2117
01:42:27,893 --> 01:42:31,173
Speaker 2: in their cell, and just the concentrated on running international

2118
01:42:31,213 --> 01:42:34,732
Speaker 2: drug cartels.

2119
01:42:33,213 --> 01:42:35,572
Speaker 19: Well that's that's exactly what they do with it. They

2120
01:42:36,133 --> 01:42:40,772
Speaker 19: run their drug empires from inside the prison. And it's

2121
01:42:40,853 --> 01:42:43,493
Speaker 19: just uh, you know, common common knowledge.

2122
01:42:43,732 --> 01:42:44,693
Speaker 8: It's tolerated.

2123
01:42:45,532 --> 01:42:48,972
Speaker 19: And the guards, you know, some of them, not all

2124
01:42:49,013 --> 01:42:52,572
Speaker 19: of them, but some of them end up considerably richer

2125
01:42:52,853 --> 01:42:55,612
Speaker 19: or having a bonus every now and then bye by

2126
01:42:55,692 --> 01:42:56,053
Speaker 19: doing this.

2127
01:42:56,412 --> 01:43:00,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, good on you met you, Thank you

2128
01:43:00,692 --> 01:43:02,852
Speaker 3: very much for giving us a call. I just got

2129
01:43:02,893 --> 01:43:05,412
Speaker 3: to say, I mean to me that the coercion element

2130
01:43:05,532 --> 01:43:08,133
Speaker 3: would be far more terrifying. You know, be a lot

2131
01:43:08,133 --> 01:43:10,133
Speaker 3: of out there saying even for ten k I'm not

2132
01:43:10,173 --> 01:43:12,013
Speaker 3: going to sell my soul for ten thousand bucks. But

2133
01:43:12,053 --> 01:43:14,532
Speaker 3: the coercion side of things is that you know your

2134
01:43:14,532 --> 01:43:17,532
Speaker 3: family was threatened or whatever that looks like. That is

2135
01:43:17,572 --> 01:43:20,532
Speaker 3: a that is a far harder predicament, predicament in my eyes,

2136
01:43:20,532 --> 01:43:20,852
Speaker 3: to be in.

2137
01:43:21,893 --> 01:43:23,932
Speaker 19: That's and that's the thing. Once you do it once,

2138
01:43:24,973 --> 01:43:27,372
Speaker 19: then you know they've got they've got something over you,

2139
01:43:28,013 --> 01:43:30,852
Speaker 19: and they could easily coherse you into doing it again.

2140
01:43:30,933 --> 01:43:35,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Matthew, Thank you very much. Fascinating. Oh

2141
01:43:35,133 --> 01:43:37,133
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

2142
01:43:37,213 --> 01:43:40,612
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text? Get a hato?

2143
01:43:41,732 --> 01:43:42,372
Speaker 20: Good a fellows.

2144
01:43:42,412 --> 01:43:43,452
Speaker 3: How are you very well?

2145
01:43:43,492 --> 01:43:43,732
Speaker 4: Mate?

2146
01:43:43,772 --> 01:43:46,173
Speaker 3: You've got an inklan on how they get some drugs

2147
01:43:46,253 --> 01:43:47,052
Speaker 3: or phones in the prison.

2148
01:43:48,133 --> 01:43:48,572
Speaker 16: Yeah, I know.

2149
01:43:48,853 --> 01:43:50,333
Speaker 20: This is how I get that. They get the drugs

2150
01:43:50,333 --> 01:43:54,052
Speaker 20: out of the airport. Okay, good, So off the plane

2151
01:43:54,133 --> 01:43:56,293
Speaker 20: at international. As we all know, when you fly through

2152
01:43:56,293 --> 01:44:02,213
Speaker 20: Auckland International any airport, there's no gates between international and domestic,

2153
01:44:02,692 --> 01:44:07,293
Speaker 20: so you put it on a suitcase trolley whatever they use,

2154
01:44:07,452 --> 01:44:09,852
Speaker 20: and then drive it down into domestic. Because as soon

2155
01:44:09,893 --> 01:44:13,772
Speaker 20: as you get something off domestic, you're gone out the

2156
01:44:13,812 --> 01:44:16,253
Speaker 20: front door. So you just all you're going to do

2157
01:44:16,333 --> 01:44:19,412
Speaker 20: is drive it straight down, put it into that, put

2158
01:44:19,452 --> 01:44:21,772
Speaker 20: it on the belt, and someone's waiting there and there

2159
01:44:21,772 --> 01:44:22,412
Speaker 20: out the front door.

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01:44:22,532 --> 01:44:24,973
Speaker 3: That's the hell. Yeah, because I was wondering, how do

2161
01:44:24,973 --> 01:44:27,133
Speaker 3: you get it off the tarmac and I suppose that's it.

2162
01:44:28,333 --> 01:44:29,572
Speaker 4: Well, there's no sense is there.

2163
01:44:29,612 --> 01:44:35,172
Speaker 20: So you can if it's trolley going from international to domestic,

2164
01:44:35,213 --> 01:44:37,812
Speaker 20: it could be someone who's going from LA to christ

2165
01:44:37,893 --> 01:44:40,053
Speaker 20: Church and they're just going to drive it down, check

2166
01:44:40,093 --> 01:44:42,333
Speaker 20: it on the thing, and then someone's waiting in any

2167
01:44:42,333 --> 01:44:44,612
Speaker 20: way it goes. No one's going to look any other way.

2168
01:44:44,893 --> 01:44:45,093
Speaker 13: Is there?

2169
01:44:45,612 --> 01:44:48,452
Speaker 2: You'd imagine that be cameras everywhere though, on the tarmac

2170
01:44:48,492 --> 01:44:50,532
Speaker 2: in every single direction. You go, what is this spelling?

2171
01:44:50,652 --> 01:44:52,012
Speaker 2: Driving down to domestic? Yeah?

2172
01:44:52,133 --> 01:44:54,532
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, But what happens if I've just got off

2173
01:44:55,333 --> 01:44:58,333
Speaker 20: a flight from LA and I'm going to Wellington or

2174
01:44:58,372 --> 01:45:01,612
Speaker 20: christ Church my bags have to go from international down

2175
01:45:01,652 --> 01:45:03,253
Speaker 20: to domestic to go on to the next flight.

2176
01:45:03,532 --> 01:45:04,612
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying.

2177
01:45:04,772 --> 01:45:06,092
Speaker 20: What's an extra couple of bags?

2178
01:45:06,213 --> 01:45:09,532
Speaker 2: So those ones? Yeah, right, so those dons don't go

2179
01:45:09,652 --> 01:45:14,213
Speaker 2: through the normal custom that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, wow, And

2180
01:45:14,253 --> 01:45:16,412
Speaker 2: so that my thought. Yeah, so if I.

2181
01:45:16,412 --> 01:45:17,812
Speaker 20: Was doing it, that would be I'll do it. Not

2182
01:45:17,812 --> 01:45:20,652
Speaker 20: but I've obviously done it, but yeah, yeah, that would be.

2183
01:45:21,933 --> 01:45:23,092
Speaker 20: I think you could get out.

2184
01:45:23,133 --> 01:45:25,612
Speaker 3: Very very easily, because yeah, I couldn't figure out how

2185
01:45:25,612 --> 01:45:28,133
Speaker 3: they get it obviously on the tarmac and there's all

2186
01:45:28,133 --> 01:45:30,772
Speaker 3: these security doors and the big fences, and unless you

2187
01:45:30,853 --> 01:45:33,412
Speaker 3: have done them over a fence, but that would make

2188
01:45:33,452 --> 01:45:34,173
Speaker 3: a lot more sense.

2189
01:45:34,372 --> 01:45:37,452
Speaker 2: Or you're going home with a hugeggage in the car.

2190
01:45:38,253 --> 01:45:41,213
Speaker 20: You get a flight from Napier, you know, you pick

2191
01:45:41,293 --> 01:45:42,893
Speaker 20: up your bag, it's just sitting there where you go.

2192
01:45:44,452 --> 01:45:47,173
Speaker 3: Hey, good thinking, Thank you very much. A couple of

2193
01:45:47,173 --> 01:45:49,253
Speaker 3: texts coming through on nine two nine two.

2194
01:45:50,372 --> 01:45:52,932
Speaker 2: The drug provinces Chris will never be solved. Well, gangs

2195
01:45:52,933 --> 01:45:55,012
Speaker 2: can make money. Step one, get rid of paper cash.

2196
01:45:55,053 --> 01:45:58,492
Speaker 2: Ideally legalize everything, sell it and shops, channel of the

2197
01:45:58,492 --> 01:46:03,093
Speaker 2: profits into social services. So this is Chris's plan. Get

2198
01:46:03,173 --> 01:46:05,812
Speaker 2: rid of all paper cash, so so no one can

2199
01:46:05,893 --> 01:46:11,652
Speaker 2: launder everything. Everything has a trail. Legalize everything so that

2200
01:46:11,893 --> 01:46:14,213
Speaker 2: make it that people can get their fn fitamine down

2201
01:46:14,213 --> 01:46:17,373
Speaker 2: the dairy and then channel profits into social services.

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01:46:17,412 --> 01:46:20,692
Speaker 3: It's a bold move, it's a bold strategy. I don't

2203
01:46:20,692 --> 01:46:22,772
Speaker 3: know whether that will pay off, but thank you very much.

2204
01:46:23,173 --> 01:46:25,612
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2205
01:46:25,652 --> 01:46:28,452
Speaker 3: to call if you've worked in beggage heddling. Can you

2206
01:46:28,492 --> 01:46:32,293
Speaker 3: hear your story? Is this entirely possible what Jared Savage

2207
01:46:32,293 --> 01:46:34,412
Speaker 3: has unearthed here? And if you want to send a text,

2208
01:46:34,492 --> 01:46:35,852
Speaker 3: nine to nine two is that number?

2209
01:46:36,492 --> 01:46:39,253
Speaker 2: This theistics is the custom situation that's just similar to

2210
01:46:39,333 --> 01:46:42,372
Speaker 2: the prison security breaches the gangs follow the guard's home

2211
01:46:42,412 --> 01:46:44,652
Speaker 2: and threaten their family. A simple as that. Once the

2212
01:46:44,692 --> 01:46:47,892
Speaker 2: guards do what they're told, just once they're on the hawks,

2213
01:46:47,973 --> 01:46:48,933
Speaker 2: is pull terrifying.

2214
01:46:49,013 --> 01:46:50,733
Speaker 3: Eighteen to four back very shortly.

2215
01:46:50,973 --> 01:46:54,212
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

2216
01:46:54,253 --> 01:46:58,133
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

2217
01:46:58,253 --> 01:47:01,852
Speaker 1: with Scoda. Please Scoter codes every day at Scoter dot

2218
01:47:01,893 --> 01:47:03,732
Speaker 1: co dot us dogs that'd.

2219
01:47:03,572 --> 01:47:07,133
Speaker 3: Be it is sixteen to four. So if you're in

2220
01:47:07,173 --> 01:47:09,612
Speaker 3: the know on how phone are smuggled into prisons, are

2221
01:47:09,652 --> 01:47:12,892
Speaker 3: on the airport side, how easy it is for drugs

2222
01:47:12,893 --> 01:47:14,492
Speaker 3: to be smuggled into the country. Oh, e one hundred

2223
01:47:14,492 --> 01:47:15,173
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty.

2224
01:47:15,333 --> 01:47:17,972
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Matt's plan I think was a Matt was Matt

2225
01:47:18,013 --> 01:47:18,213
Speaker 2: was it?

2226
01:47:18,333 --> 01:47:18,532
Speaker 19: Yeah?

2227
01:47:18,933 --> 01:47:22,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Matt's plan will not work according to about

2228
01:47:22,013 --> 01:47:24,253
Speaker 2: a thousand tixs going from international domestic you have to

2229
01:47:24,253 --> 01:47:25,573
Speaker 2: take your bags through customs.

2230
01:47:26,053 --> 01:47:32,053
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so that is a florin. Yeah, Matt's plan. Yeah.

2231
01:47:32,133 --> 01:47:34,053
Speaker 2: Hey, guys at the prison where my son works, all

2232
01:47:34,093 --> 01:47:36,253
Speaker 2: start for screen going in. That's interesting.

2233
01:47:36,372 --> 01:47:40,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, Phil, you're you're retired from baggage handling, is that right?

2234
01:47:41,093 --> 01:47:43,652
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I've done twenty years out at

2235
01:47:43,732 --> 01:47:44,213
Speaker 16: Christ Church.

2236
01:47:45,133 --> 01:47:49,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, yep. So you heard the investigation and

2237
01:47:49,213 --> 01:47:52,293
Speaker 3: Jared Savageohn when we interviewed him. So what's your thoughts

2238
01:47:52,293 --> 01:47:54,732
Speaker 3: about that? I mean, does that start to make sense?

2239
01:47:54,812 --> 01:47:55,812
Speaker 3: Is that it all doable?

2240
01:47:57,853 --> 01:48:01,053
Speaker 16: Yeah? Because I was thinking about it, and I was thinking, yeah,

2241
01:48:01,093 --> 01:48:03,572
Speaker 16: in the old days, it was because when I started there,

2242
01:48:03,612 --> 01:48:06,972
Speaker 16: the first teen years or so, you're probably the first

2243
01:48:06,973 --> 01:48:09,333
Speaker 16: teen years, you used to be able to just when

2244
01:48:09,372 --> 01:48:11,852
Speaker 16: you started work and left work, you could just walk

2245
01:48:11,893 --> 01:48:13,692
Speaker 16: in through a number of doors and there was no

2246
01:48:13,732 --> 01:48:16,652
Speaker 16: security or anything, so you just take your own bag

2247
01:48:16,692 --> 01:48:19,492
Speaker 16: and whatever you wanted in there, and the same when

2248
01:48:19,492 --> 01:48:21,732
Speaker 16: you left, you know, you could just walk out with

2249
01:48:21,812 --> 01:48:24,532
Speaker 16: your own bag or someone else's bag or whatever, you know,

2250
01:48:24,612 --> 01:48:29,852
Speaker 16: and there was no security or anything to scan it

2251
01:48:29,933 --> 01:48:32,293
Speaker 16: or check it or anything. So in the old days, yeah,

2252
01:48:32,333 --> 01:48:35,013
Speaker 16: it would have been quite easy to get away with

2253
01:48:35,053 --> 01:48:37,372
Speaker 16: that sort of stuff. And I was kind of thinking

2254
01:48:37,412 --> 01:48:40,012
Speaker 16: because it was only five years ago. When I say

2255
01:48:40,013 --> 01:48:43,133
Speaker 16: only five years ago, it's five years ago when I

2256
01:48:43,293 --> 01:48:46,652
Speaker 16: retired and talking to some of the boys that are

2257
01:48:46,652 --> 01:48:50,012
Speaker 16: still keeping contact with and that they tell me now

2258
01:48:50,093 --> 01:48:55,612
Speaker 16: that you can only go through one door. That's always

2259
01:48:57,772 --> 01:49:00,013
Speaker 16: got security. You know, it's always got security on it,

2260
01:49:00,173 --> 01:49:03,532
Speaker 16: scanning when you come to work or leave work, you know,

2261
01:49:03,612 --> 01:49:06,333
Speaker 16: scanning your bags and that sort of thing, especially when

2262
01:49:06,372 --> 01:49:09,732
Speaker 16: you start, so you have to go through one point,

2263
01:49:09,772 --> 01:49:14,173
Speaker 16: whereas in the past you didn't. And even when I

2264
01:49:14,333 --> 01:49:18,093
Speaker 16: was also when I was working there, even if you

2265
01:49:18,532 --> 01:49:20,253
Speaker 16: I was what they call back a house is a

2266
01:49:20,333 --> 01:49:22,732
Speaker 16: bag baggage hell. And then they in front of houses,

2267
01:49:22,853 --> 01:49:26,093
Speaker 16: the counterstaff and the black people, and you could be

2268
01:49:26,173 --> 01:49:28,972
Speaker 16: working out in the back and you have to go

2269
01:49:29,053 --> 01:49:32,612
Speaker 16: out with a bag inquiry because the passenger hasn't turned up,

2270
01:49:32,732 --> 01:49:35,492
Speaker 16: or a bag or someone calls you and you need

2271
01:49:35,532 --> 01:49:38,293
Speaker 16: to make an inquiry, or a bags got a funny sound,

2272
01:49:38,412 --> 01:49:43,253
Speaker 16: or you know, it's for whatever reason. Even then, like

2273
01:49:43,692 --> 01:49:46,772
Speaker 16: they'd have security set up. And even though these people,

2274
01:49:47,652 --> 01:49:49,892
Speaker 16: after you've worked there for a number of years, you know,

2275
01:49:49,933 --> 01:49:51,852
Speaker 16: you'd see the same people day and day out, and

2276
01:49:51,853 --> 01:49:53,932
Speaker 16: they see you at that so they'd know you sort

2277
01:49:53,933 --> 01:49:56,293
Speaker 16: of thing. But even then they would wand you down

2278
01:49:56,492 --> 01:49:58,492
Speaker 16: if you walked out, you know, for five or ten

2279
01:49:58,492 --> 01:50:00,532
Speaker 16: minutes to go and make an inquiry and come back

2280
01:50:00,572 --> 01:50:02,892
Speaker 16: in and again they would wand you down. You know,

2281
01:50:03,013 --> 01:50:06,133
Speaker 16: lift your arms up and that sort of thing. So yeah,

2282
01:50:06,213 --> 01:50:09,173
Speaker 16: so I think, oh, sorry, man, Oh, I.

2283
01:50:09,133 --> 01:50:11,333
Speaker 2: Was just going to say, had you ever hear of

2284
01:50:11,333 --> 01:50:14,372
Speaker 2: anyone being approached to do anything like this, or it

2285
01:50:14,412 --> 01:50:18,293
Speaker 2: was anyone you know busted in your time working as

2286
01:50:18,293 --> 01:50:20,053
Speaker 2: a beggar chamber for this kind of thing?

2287
01:50:20,173 --> 01:50:23,372
Speaker 16: Phil, No, No, that was Yeah, it was the other

2288
01:50:23,412 --> 01:50:25,452
Speaker 16: thing I was going to say. In the twenty years

2289
01:50:25,452 --> 01:50:29,652
Speaker 16: that I worked there, I never heard of anybody on

2290
01:50:29,692 --> 01:50:32,173
Speaker 16: the take or anything like that, or no one ever

2291
01:50:32,253 --> 01:50:35,293
Speaker 16: got done or anything for that sort of thing. So

2292
01:50:35,933 --> 01:50:39,253
Speaker 16: whether it was happening, I don't know. And you know

2293
01:50:39,452 --> 01:50:43,892
Speaker 16: there were corrupt handlers and aviation security people I don't

2294
01:50:44,333 --> 01:50:47,892
Speaker 16: and front of house staff because you'd have to I'm thinking.

2295
01:50:48,173 --> 01:50:50,213
Speaker 16: As he was saying that, I was just thinking, hell,

2296
01:50:50,253 --> 01:50:52,572
Speaker 16: it would work today, you know, even like when he

2297
01:50:52,652 --> 01:50:57,652
Speaker 16: said about I know, in the Auckland International Domestic, like

2298
01:50:57,772 --> 01:51:00,493
Speaker 16: the fella said, you've got to go from the domestic

2299
01:51:00,973 --> 01:51:07,572
Speaker 16: to walk or get a vehicle to the International Auckland terminal.

2300
01:51:07,612 --> 01:51:10,772
Speaker 16: So I thought, yeah, so you go, say from you're

2301
01:51:10,812 --> 01:51:13,133
Speaker 16: going from Napier and then you're going to LA or something,

2302
01:51:13,173 --> 01:51:16,412
Speaker 16: so you get your bag, you could possibly pick your

2303
01:51:16,412 --> 01:51:18,852
Speaker 16: bag up when you arrive in the domestic walk and

2304
01:51:18,853 --> 01:51:20,692
Speaker 16: and then just walk out with it, you know, and

2305
01:51:20,732 --> 01:51:23,933
Speaker 16: then you can either you know, you either carry on

2306
01:51:24,013 --> 01:51:26,933
Speaker 16: and take it to the international to recheck in or

2307
01:51:26,973 --> 01:51:28,532
Speaker 16: you walk out the door with it and give it

2308
01:51:28,572 --> 01:51:31,013
Speaker 16: to someone if it's a setup, you know sort of thing,

2309
01:51:31,412 --> 01:51:34,093
Speaker 16: and maybe the other way. Also, if you were coming

2310
01:51:34,133 --> 01:51:37,053
Speaker 16: from an international to go on to a domestic, there

2311
01:51:37,133 --> 01:51:39,532
Speaker 16: is that period where you could sort of be in

2312
01:51:39,572 --> 01:51:42,133
Speaker 16: a blank space, as they say, But most of the

2313
01:51:42,213 --> 01:51:45,412
Speaker 16: time people would check right through too, you know. So

2314
01:51:45,652 --> 01:51:48,572
Speaker 16: like if you were going onto an international or go

2315
01:51:48,652 --> 01:51:50,372
Speaker 16: on to a domestic, you wouldn't.

2316
01:51:49,973 --> 01:51:50,812
Speaker 4: Pick your bag up.

2317
01:51:50,893 --> 01:51:53,932
Speaker 16: It would be checked right through until until you get

2318
01:51:53,933 --> 01:51:54,933
Speaker 16: to your end destination.

2319
01:51:55,492 --> 01:51:57,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, interesting stuff.

2320
01:51:57,293 --> 01:51:57,452
Speaker 5: Pill.

2321
01:51:57,532 --> 01:52:00,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your expertise on that. Nine

2322
01:52:00,412 --> 01:52:02,133
Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text number.

2323
01:52:02,293 --> 01:52:04,972
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, the person you have on now is wrong

2324
01:52:05,013 --> 01:52:06,812
Speaker 2: about the prison. This was not the person that wasn't

2325
01:52:06,812 --> 01:52:08,933
Speaker 2: just fill the head on about present and guards not

2326
01:52:09,293 --> 01:52:11,852
Speaker 2: getting checked when they go behind the wire. All people,

2327
01:52:11,853 --> 01:52:14,692
Speaker 2: including prison guards go through the same system as everyone else,

2328
01:52:14,692 --> 01:52:17,333
Speaker 2: which is the same X ray machines that are used

2329
01:52:17,372 --> 01:52:21,372
Speaker 2: at the airports. Also, all prisons have cell phone jamming systems.

2330
01:52:21,452 --> 01:52:23,612
Speaker 2: I know this is as in my last job, my

2331
01:52:23,692 --> 01:52:27,372
Speaker 2: company had the facilities maintenance contract and I regularly visited

2332
01:52:27,412 --> 01:52:31,852
Speaker 2: local prisons and went behind the wire regularly. Cheers Pete.

2333
01:52:32,253 --> 01:52:38,572
Speaker 2: That's interesting because in this case, allegedly this gang member

2334
01:52:39,093 --> 01:52:42,973
Speaker 2: gang leader was orchestrating with a cell phone that had

2335
01:52:42,973 --> 01:52:44,812
Speaker 2: been smuggled into the prison. Yeah, that's what the police

2336
01:52:44,853 --> 01:52:46,972
Speaker 2: are alliging. Yep, exactly, So there must be some way

2337
01:52:46,973 --> 01:52:49,772
Speaker 2: to get them in. Yeah, and avoid the jammers as well.

2338
01:52:50,133 --> 01:52:52,253
Speaker 2: The sticks here geta boys. I used to deliver bread

2339
01:52:52,253 --> 01:52:55,452
Speaker 2: to Remutaka prison at night and regularly saw people standing

2340
01:52:55,492 --> 01:52:57,932
Speaker 2: in the shadows with a tennis racket and they would

2341
01:52:58,013 --> 01:52:59,933
Speaker 2: hit balls full of drugs over the fences to be

2342
01:52:59,933 --> 01:53:01,412
Speaker 2: picked up in the morning by the inmates.

2343
01:53:01,612 --> 01:53:05,213
Speaker 3: That's from John. I mean, if you're standing there with

2344
01:53:05,213 --> 01:53:07,173
Speaker 3: a tennis racket, clearly you're up to no good. But

2345
01:53:07,253 --> 01:53:09,852
Speaker 3: keep those ticks coming through. On nine to nine two

2346
01:53:10,093 --> 01:53:13,132
Speaker 3: beg very shortly. It is ten before the.

2347
01:53:13,013 --> 01:53:16,293
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, to the big trends and

2348
01:53:16,532 --> 01:53:20,652
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

2349
01:53:20,652 --> 01:53:21,053
Speaker 16: There'd be.

2350
01:53:22,492 --> 01:53:25,293
Speaker 3: News talks there, but it is seven to four. Dave

2351
01:53:26,293 --> 01:53:29,612
Speaker 3: how are you afternoon, mate? Very well and you guys,

2352
01:53:29,692 --> 01:53:31,612
Speaker 3: yeah good, so tell us tell us of you.

2353
01:53:32,772 --> 01:53:37,452
Speaker 5: Okay, So airports, we've done it many, many, many are

2354
01:53:37,452 --> 01:53:40,012
Speaker 5: times with cigarettes. Now, I don't know if it would

2355
01:53:40,053 --> 01:53:42,692
Speaker 5: work for drugs. But what you do is if you

2356
01:53:42,812 --> 01:53:47,333
Speaker 5: declare something on your custom form, like food, when you

2357
01:53:47,372 --> 01:53:49,612
Speaker 5: go up, they ask you what type of food do

2358
01:53:49,692 --> 01:53:52,452
Speaker 5: you have? If you say that you've got prepackaged food.

2359
01:53:52,572 --> 01:53:55,093
Speaker 5: So we're always coming from the States, we always say

2360
01:53:55,093 --> 01:53:58,173
Speaker 5: we've got lollies and candy and biscuits and all that,

2361
01:53:59,293 --> 01:54:02,093
Speaker 5: what they'll do is they'll say, okay, so no meat,

2362
01:54:02,213 --> 01:54:05,333
Speaker 5: no nothing, Yeah, no meat, no nothing, Okay, go down

2363
01:54:05,372 --> 01:54:08,933
Speaker 5: the green stripe. So you follow the green and you

2364
01:54:08,973 --> 01:54:11,572
Speaker 5: walk past the beagles, and your bags don't go through

2365
01:54:11,572 --> 01:54:12,893
Speaker 5: the X ray machines.

2366
01:54:13,532 --> 01:54:17,572
Speaker 3: Right, So is that, you know? Is that a sure thing, though, Dave?

2367
01:54:17,692 --> 01:54:19,852
Speaker 3: Or is that a bit of discretion involved there?

2368
01:54:20,812 --> 01:54:21,372
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think, well, we've never had to put our bags

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01:54:24,452 --> 01:54:26,812
Speaker 5: through X rays because we always say that we've got

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01:54:26,893 --> 01:54:31,612
Speaker 5: declared and we've taken cartons of cigarettes through obviously for

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01:54:31,652 --> 01:54:37,013
Speaker 5: personal use. But yes, I suspect that I don't think

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01:54:37,053 --> 01:54:40,533
Speaker 5: that those dogs are drug dogs. I think they do

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01:54:40,733 --> 01:54:43,053
Speaker 5: meat and fruit and all that sort of stuff. Those

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01:54:43,053 --> 01:54:43,852
Speaker 5: little beagles thing.

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01:54:44,093 --> 01:54:45,293
Speaker 2: Yes, the beagle dogs.

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01:54:45,413 --> 01:54:48,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're looking loudly looking for ham sandwiches most of

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01:54:48,173 --> 01:54:49,972
Speaker 3: the time rather than drugs. But I think I think

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01:54:50,053 --> 01:54:52,892
Speaker 3: some of them do exist. But again, yeah, you know,

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01:54:52,973 --> 01:54:54,772
Speaker 3: it's hard to tell, isn't it whether the beagle was

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01:54:54,812 --> 01:54:56,493
Speaker 3: looking for cocaine or ham sandwiches.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, now that I've said this that we're never going

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01:55:00,533 --> 01:55:02,012
Speaker 5: to be getting cigarettes through again.

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01:55:03,213 --> 01:55:05,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like a loophole to me, Dave. But

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01:55:05,453 --> 01:55:09,133
Speaker 3: thank you very much for your call. Very interesting. A

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01:55:09,173 --> 01:55:11,413
Speaker 3: couple more texts before we wrap this up, Kiday. Guys,

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Speaker 3: I used to work with a bloke who had served

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01:55:13,133 --> 01:55:15,173
Speaker 3: twenty years. Once he got out, he used to do

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01:55:15,253 --> 01:55:17,213
Speaker 3: runs for the gangs. He'd take packages and throw them

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01:55:17,213 --> 01:55:19,932
Speaker 3: over the fences into the yards and police, prison, guard, security,

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01:55:20,173 --> 01:55:23,413
Speaker 3: all earned people, so it's not hard to bribe them.

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01:55:23,453 --> 01:55:25,733
Speaker 2: Surely you could fang a drone in there now as well.

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01:55:25,772 --> 01:55:28,373
Speaker 2: We'll plow you right through the bars into your cell

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01:55:28,453 --> 01:55:30,173
Speaker 2: and drop off your brand new cell phone.

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01:55:30,213 --> 01:55:32,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, new tech and new ways to do it.

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01:55:32,293 --> 01:55:34,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that brings us the end of another

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01:55:34,533 --> 01:55:37,373
Speaker 2: fantastic four hours of calls and texts, Thanks to everyone

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01:55:37,373 --> 01:55:39,293
Speaker 2: who joined the convo. Up next to the great and

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01:55:39,333 --> 01:55:44,852
Speaker 2: powerful Heather Dupasy, Allen talks about graffiti, talks to an

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01:55:44,853 --> 01:55:47,892
Speaker 2: Auckland street artist about whether graffiti is property damage or

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01:55:47,933 --> 01:55:51,892
Speaker 2: not after pork went down. But right now, Tyler, why

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01:55:51,893 --> 01:55:53,973
Speaker 2: am I playing this song from the Turtles?

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01:55:53,973 --> 01:55:54,173
Speaker 21: Oh?

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01:55:54,253 --> 01:55:54,972
Speaker 5: What a tune?

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01:55:55,653 --> 01:55:58,933
Speaker 3: Happy together. This is a happy song as and I

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01:55:58,973 --> 01:56:01,413
Speaker 3: love the song. So it's because we had a great

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01:56:01,453 --> 01:56:06,373
Speaker 3: hour about political differences and relationships and whether you should

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01:56:06,453 --> 01:56:08,333
Speaker 3: kick someone to curb if they don't vote the same

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01:56:08,373 --> 01:56:09,012
Speaker 3: way you vote.

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01:56:09,093 --> 01:56:12,573
Speaker 2: That's a hard I'm seeing, correct, Tyler, absolutely right leaning

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01:56:12,853 --> 01:56:16,613
Speaker 2: and lift right leaning, lift leaning woman, right leaning man.

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01:56:17,173 --> 01:56:17,892
Speaker 2: Very common Now.

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01:56:17,973 --> 01:56:19,693
Speaker 3: Certainly is love can be found?

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01:56:19,812 --> 01:56:22,213
Speaker 2: Love can be found in the middle ground. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: we'll see you tomorrow. We'll be back live from midday

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Speaker 2: tomorrow until then, Give a tasty king.

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Speaker 3: How is the word?

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