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Speaker 1: Another day, another report from an onmwordsman who highlights issues

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Speaker 1: that are rung a Tomriki. So they failed to investigate

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Speaker 1: reports of violence and assault against pre and primary school children.

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Speaker 1: There were nine reports, seven different parties. Co founder of

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Speaker 1: the Great Potentials Foundation, Dame Leslie Maxi's back, Leslie, morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 1: This seems systemic. There seems that nobody seems to be

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Speaker 1: able to turn around. Ot can they do you hold

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Speaker 1: out any hope at all or not?

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Speaker 2: Well? Look, I know that they have a minister who

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Speaker 2: is very intent on doing that, and she has that

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Speaker 2: you prize prize characteristic of lived experience. She knows what

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Speaker 2: it's like to be a child in the system, So

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Speaker 2: I think she's highly motivated. It is a big ship

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Speaker 2: and it does some things very well. Look this morning,

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Speaker 2: I've just been looking at their there so their Family

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Speaker 2: Start Direction's manual. Family Started something that I was instrumental

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Speaker 2: in introducing along with Brain were Trust and others years ago,

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Speaker 2: and it was for prevention and intervention of family violence,

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Speaker 2: of violence against children, maltreatment, and gosh, it's a wonderful manual,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know how it's all working. This is

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Speaker 2: what I don't know, and I don't know the extent

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Speaker 2: to which there was any connection between family start and

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Speaker 2: those scores of tortured and murdered babies and small children

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Speaker 2: that I have in my files makes horrendous reading. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Mike. All I know is it must

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Speaker 2: be better than this, And i'd say that, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's striking that there were nine reports of concern when

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Speaker 2: in so many cases there are no reports of concern.

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Speaker 2: But nine, you think would so.

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Speaker 1: As somebody somewhere would see or do or say something,

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Speaker 1: you would you.

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Speaker 2: Would think so you would think. So. Look, the incidence

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Speaker 2: of child abuse and neglect has not gone down, and

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Speaker 2: you know you would think that it would have. But

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Speaker 2: the police data shows that the number of children under

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Speaker 2: fifteen reported as being victims of violent crime grew forty

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Speaker 2: one percent between in the five years to twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is that is huge. And I noticed

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Speaker 2: one thing from the material that I collect is that

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Speaker 2: it's not only stepfathers these days who are prominent in

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Speaker 2: this field, but fathers and the inability to deal with

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Speaker 2: babies and babies crying, and this is so fundamental. You know,

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Speaker 2: our kids go through God knows how many years of

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Speaker 2: compulsory education come out at the other end with no

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Speaker 2: knowledge whatsoever of how to be a parent, which most

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Speaker 2: of them will be. I think there is a.

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Speaker 1: Flaw there America, Jesus to say the least. Leslie listen,

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time, Dame Leslie Max. It seems we've got

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Speaker 1: no further ahead. We had a massive report recently into

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Speaker 1: treatment and care, and we thought, oh, that was in

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Speaker 1: the seventies, or wasn't it bad that it was in

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Speaker 1: the seventies. Andre, We are in twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 1: we don't seem to have got any further For more

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