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Speaker 1: In New Zealand's home for trusted news and views, the

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Speaker 1: Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover villa designed to intrigue,

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Speaker 1: can use Togs, Dvorny.

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Speaker 2: And while jering today, Turkey Pout and Zelensky. What chance

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Speaker 2: this goes anywhere? Some of the Mary Party got booted

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Speaker 2: out of the Parliament by the Privileges Committee. That's before

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Speaker 2: you get to the C word gate. Bill Foley, owner

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Speaker 2: of Auckland f C, the Vegas NHL team in the

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Speaker 2: playoffs at the moment, and a bunch of other sporting

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Speaker 2: operations on startups and building a winning team. He's with

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Speaker 2: us Afterwrights, Joe mckennon's and Rome Rod Littland does the

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Speaker 2: United Kingdom for us.

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Speaker 1: Pasky, We all.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the day seven past six. Quick question on

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Speaker 2: how we employ people in the public sector. Can you

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Speaker 2: draw a dot or two between say, the Brian Roch

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Speaker 2: Report into the public sector that said it's not fit

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Speaker 2: for purpose or the Deloitte report into Health New Zealand

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Speaker 2: that said pretty much the same thing, and the overarching

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Speaker 2: direction on hiring in the public service which tells you

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Speaker 2: to favor diversity. The Minister Judith Collins is looking to

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Speaker 2: rewrite all this and remove inclusion or diversity and replace

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Speaker 2: it with merits. The fact we're even talking about this

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Speaker 2: shows just what a wayward country we've become, and it's

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Speaker 2: only now we're waking up to the damage this. By

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Speaker 2: the way, this diversity inclusion nonsense is for CEO type jobs,

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Speaker 2: people who actually run things, shape things, make major decisions.

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Speaker 2: Health New Zealand is eighty five thousand strong. It's a

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Speaker 2: city of people. Get the wrong personal people at the

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Speaker 2: head of that and you're done for. As we've seen,

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Speaker 2: it must surely be hard enough to find top talent

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Speaker 2: for the public service at the best of times. The

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Speaker 2: pay is not market leading for real talent, and you

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Speaker 2: would have thought that once you got a few diversity

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Speaker 2: highs in the wrong place, that would lead to a

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Speaker 2: reputation that would make it even more difficult to hire talent,

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Speaker 2: because the real talent can spot a fraud a mile

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Speaker 2: away and doesn't want a bar of it. So the

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Speaker 2: vicious cycles created, so you end up with fivedoms and

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Speaker 2: departments run by people who shouldn't be They're making decisions

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Speaker 2: that shouldn't be made, all driven by a mixed up

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Speaker 2: ideology that was somehow going to change the world or

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Speaker 2: feel good or whatever. Mad thought bubble drove the decision

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Speaker 2: of the day. In simple terms, we're the private or public,

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Speaker 2: but especially public. Less is more simple as better and

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Speaker 2: talent should be there on merit and be paid for

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Speaker 2: the skills. Having worked in the private sector most of

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Speaker 2: my life, I've seen how hard it is to find

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Speaker 2: the right people for the right job, even in the

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Speaker 2: best of environments. God knows how hard it must be

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Speaker 2: in the public sector when they've been busy ankle tapping themselves.

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Speaker 1: What news of the world in ninety seconds?

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Speaker 2: Now the day now the Trump deals the Middle East

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Speaker 2: love and rolls on. He also met the new Syrian president.

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Speaker 1: Very good yuh, attractive guy, love gay, strong mass, very strong.

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Speaker 2: Bess okay. In another part of the Middle East, of

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Speaker 2: the Israelis, they continue to drop bombs. Late as one

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Speaker 2: killed fifty hospitals can't cope.

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Speaker 3: Standing outside the operation theater, you can see the damage

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Speaker 3: behind me. It's not even possible to take any cases

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Speaker 3: to theater.

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Speaker 4: Who is too dangerous.

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Speaker 3: The theaters have been damaged in the staff unsurprisingly have

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Speaker 3: blessed at the moment to try and.

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Speaker 4: Seek some safety.

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Speaker 2: In Britain, the crisis around the prisons as growing by

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Speaker 2: the day as they look to let more and more

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Speaker 2: prisoners out early.

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Speaker 5: I think I'm prepared to do is to make sure

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Speaker 5: we never ever run out of prison places again. At

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Speaker 5: the moment as things stand today, by November we go

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Speaker 5: down to zero. It is the unconscionable that the last

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Speaker 5: government left us in this position.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, the last government. The toy is all libry.

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Speaker 6: We chose to do absolutely everything other than release criminals.

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Speaker 7: Early.

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Speaker 6: We focus on getting foreign criminals out of our prisons

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Speaker 6: and out of our country. She's focused on releasing criminals early.

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Speaker 2: Trouble is there's a video which has emerged of another

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Speaker 2: Tory explaining deporting people isn't as easy as they made out.

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Speaker 8: We did want some checks and found that about thoughts

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Speaker 8: about half the people crossing the channel had playing to silent.

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Speaker 9: Previously elsewhere in Europe and Germany, France.

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Speaker 8: Italy, Spain somewhere like that, and therefore could have been returned.

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Speaker 4: But now we're out of Dublin, we can't do that.

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Speaker 2: Up to Daisy. Also in Britain, worries about a growing

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Speaker 2: potential spike in inflation.

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Speaker 10: We are still seeing the impact of rising jobs data.

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Speaker 10: So if you think about the fact that national insurance

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Speaker 10: contributions ticked up, and that's got to be absorbed somewhere,

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Speaker 10: You've got to think about the fact that across the

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Speaker 10: public sector you've seen significant wage rises and the fact

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Speaker 10: that the services inflation was quite sticky.

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Speaker 2: Finally, look into the so called overworking. Now this is

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Speaker 2: out of Korea. South overworks has become the public health

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Speaker 2: concern in that part of the world. So they made

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Speaker 2: fifty two hours a week to legal limit. Now, the

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Speaker 2: studies found those working over fifty two hours had significant

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Speaker 2: changes to their brain due to a combination of physical

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Speaker 2: and emotional overexertion. These changes affected how they function how

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Speaker 2: they were able to regulate emotion. They said that the

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Speaker 2: changes to your brain might be at least in part

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Speaker 2: reversible if you remove the overtime stress, but returning your

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Speaker 2: brain to its baseline state, whatever that is, could take

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Speaker 2: much longer. But sayre's nothing about what if you enjoyed

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Speaker 2: the job. What have you weeked longer than fifty two

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Speaker 2: hours a week and you enjoy your job. They don't

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Speaker 2: go into that bath. And here's the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: The deal in Qatar. We're a nothing official on the

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Speaker 2: plane on air Force one, and I'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: The legalities of it are fascinating. Anyway. They have done

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Speaker 2: a deal with Boeing and ge Aerospace ninety six billion.

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Speaker 2: So what's that one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: billion New Zealand dollars They're going to sell Kataria ways

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Speaker 2: up to two hundred and ten aircraft. They're all Dreamliners

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Speaker 2: and Triple seven exes. It is Boeing's largest ever wide

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Speaker 2: body order, the largest ever seven eight seven order. So

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Speaker 2: the money is flowing. Twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: Sippy could be a win for Trump. Heinz Kraft, Hinds,

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Speaker 2: Tomato Sauce, or ketchup as they call it, has announced

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Speaker 2: this morning three billion to upgrade the US factories, largest

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Speaker 2: investment in its plants in a decade. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a win for him, isn't it. Fifteen past six. I'm

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Speaker 2: j my wild Hens and Yellowhow very good morning to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: good morning, Mike, flat ain't grolling Andrew.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, look, I've actually been.

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Speaker 11: Feeling a little bit more upbeat about New Zealand economy

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Speaker 11: in the last sort of couple of it's that sort

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Speaker 11: of balance between those green shoots that are peeping out

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Speaker 11: to be favoring the ones that were doing well. I

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Speaker 11: could see the upside, you know, maybe biased to summer

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Speaker 11: and maybe into twenty twenty six, But yesterday's data hasn't

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Speaker 11: really helped that upbeat mood. I mean, we're definitely seeing

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Speaker 11: a slow improvement in the property market, We're definitely seeing

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Speaker 11: resilience and you know commodity prices dairy and meat that

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Speaker 11: that lagged effect of interest rate relief will start to

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Speaker 11: feed through over the second half of this year. But

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Speaker 11: the card spending data release yesterday shows that all the

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Speaker 11: good folk out there that are not really spending yet,

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Speaker 11: you know, it's not happening yet.

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Speaker 4: So card spending declined over April.

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Speaker 11: So this is stat's New Zealand electronic card transactions for

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Speaker 11: April twenty twenty five, and retail spending was flat compared

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Speaker 11: eight percent four the month before that. But if we

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Speaker 11: if we look at total card spending which fell zero

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Speaker 11: point two percent. That is actually the fourth consecutive monthly fall.

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Speaker 11: The annual change sitting at minus point three.

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Speaker 4: Core retail spending.

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Speaker 11: If we take fuel out of it, just it managed

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Speaker 11: a very small gain point two percent, and the annual

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Speaker 11: change without fuel point eight percent. So the thing is

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Speaker 11: my expectations I think in our starting that will start

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Speaker 11: to see small rises in these numbers, and we're kind

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Speaker 11: of not Look the last softness out there in petrol prices,

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Speaker 11: but that money that people were saving it in the

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Speaker 11: fuel pump wasn't being redirected elsewhere, so grocery spending picked

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Speaker 11: up a little bit. But look, it's really evident that

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Speaker 11: discretionary spending this week and what you're actually seeing in

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Speaker 11: these numbers might tend to support or what we saw

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Speaker 11: in some of the commentary from some of the listed

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Speaker 11: companies around Babriscoes. You know, they said it's a challenging environment.

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Speaker 11: Sky City also said the retail environment is challenging. So yep,

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Speaker 11: you're not out there spending yet people.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not. Do you know why because we've all

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Speaker 2: left the country.

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Speaker 4: We've all gone.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, net migration blow, there's the other piece of data

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Speaker 11: from statues on yesterday, net migration flows have hit a

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Speaker 11: two year low, so net migration gain of twenty six thousand,

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Speaker 11: four hundred in the March.

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Speaker 4: Twenty five year.

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Speaker 11: As ever, that will be subject to extensive for revision.

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Speaker 11: But this story's not a new one. My fewer mogrant

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Speaker 11: arrivals record migrant departures, and there's no sign of that

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Speaker 11: of that slowing at the moment. So net permanent long

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Speaker 11: term migration for the month two and a half thousand people,

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Speaker 11: which will get revised.

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Speaker 4: Look twelve months ago, so we're at twenty one hundred.

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Speaker 11: Twelve months ago that number was over one hundred thousand,

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Speaker 11: So it's a fall of seventy four percent.

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Speaker 4: That's a big number. What does it mean?

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Speaker 11: Look like it It probably reflects the fact that the

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Speaker 11: economy is still a little soft.

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Speaker 4: It hasn't really lifted. We can see that from the.

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Speaker 11: Labor market numbers. So while the jobs market doesn't get

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Speaker 11: any worse, it's not getting any better.

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Speaker 4: What does it mean though, What does low migration mean?

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Speaker 11: So you don't get a lift in population growth, the

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Speaker 11: labor force doesn't get a lift, and at the moment

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Speaker 11: that's probably okay, because the labor market not looking that

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Speaker 11: great less demand for housing.

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Speaker 4: Of course, strong net migration.

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Speaker 11: Had helped lift domestic demand, so it tended to flatter growth.

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Speaker 11: Remember there was the speculation though, that this permanent long

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Speaker 11: term migration umber could go negative. That hasn't happened. We

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Speaker 11: got the international travel number as well. Yearly numbers three

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Speaker 11: point three two million visitors. That's still well below that

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Speaker 11: magic four million pre COVID benchmark, but three point three

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Speaker 11: to two million visitors for the twelve months to March

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Speaker 11: twenty five, as an increase of about one hundred and

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Speaker 11: thirty seven thousand from the twelve months to March twenty four.

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Speaker 11: The problem we've got here is the actual March month itself.

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Speaker 11: We had three hundred eleven eight hundred overseas visit rivals.

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Speaker 11: That's actually lower than March last year. So what we

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Speaker 11: don't want to see is that sort of trend continue.

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Speaker 11: And if we look at the breakdown the Aussie visitors,

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Speaker 11: they're doing the heavy lifting at the moment they're coming.

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Speaker 4: We has got to get good one else to come back.

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Speaker 2: Tell me the dollars up and the oils down.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll try so.

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Speaker 11: The DAL Jones At the moment forty two thousand and

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Speaker 11: forty three, it's down ninety seven points. That's about a

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Speaker 11: point two to three percent fall. Two five hundred zero

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Speaker 11: is creeping into positive. Terroritors up four points five eight

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Speaker 11: nine one is the mark there. In the Nasdaq nineteen thousand,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna end up dad or in jail.

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Speaker 13: This is so much bigger than that.

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Speaker 2: No big names. Dominic Thorn's the main character six EPs

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Speaker 2: Let's call it HBO Max, which they then did. But

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Speaker 14: Good morning.

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Speaker 15: No, man, it's a question mark.

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Speaker 16: Well it is.

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Speaker 2: It is a lot of people. And what worries me

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Speaker 15: Yes, and if you look at the age profile, then

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Speaker 15: And yes, there are New Zealanders returning, so we can

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Speaker 15: But the other thing which is growing, which is of concern,

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Speaker 15: and so why are they leaving? That would be good

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Speaker 14: So at the moment, it appears.

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Speaker 16: But if you get over.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is part of the malays As far as

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Speaker 2: not sure that's true anymore.

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Speaker 16: No, it's not.

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Speaker 15: And the figure that most concerns me in these latest

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Speaker 15: So I assume that those are migrants who have come

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Speaker 15: we really can't afford to recruit migrants and for them

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Speaker 2: Paul, always a pleasure to talk to you, even on

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Speaker 2: such matters. Paul Springley's the Master University sociologist. I was

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Speaker 2: the world's your oyster. And too many people are looking

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Speaker 2: to leave and they can't be replaced, so you handcup them. Mike,

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Speaker 2: it's eighteen minutes away from seven by the Laski. People

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Speaker 2: wouldn't give it the weight that I am at the moment,

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Speaker 2: And I think increasingly you might be right. It's easy

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Speaker 2: to go our dei. That's no big it is and

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking at just a small story, but it's

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Speaker 2: indicative of everything that's wrong with this country. This Terrao

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Speaker 2: Mari stop go sign. You know the fact that that's

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Speaker 2: still going. And I've told luxon this god knows how

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Speaker 2: many times. This is the stuff you clamp down on. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he's got big fish to fry, but this is the

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Speaker 2: stuff you promised you would do something about. And yet

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Speaker 2: there's still somebody sitting in Hawk's Bay, some smart ass

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Speaker 2: who thinks they can turn up with a sign and Maori,

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Speaker 2: and not only that in a language we don't speak,

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Speaker 2: by and large, and therefore you could argue in a

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Speaker 2: safety situation is illegal, and yet it's still allowed to happen,

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Speaker 2: and no one's clamped down. On seventeen to two.

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Speaker 2: EPI, gouple of very good text Mike Brownley seems to

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Speaker 2: be like a fish out of water. He does not

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Speaker 2: appear to be up with the play regarding protocols in

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Speaker 2: the House. A very good point. I'll come back to it, Mike.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised that you would think that the show of

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Speaker 2: profanity in the Parliament is okay, a whole new low

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Speaker 2: standard set. Peter's was right, there's no place with us

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Speaker 2: carry on. I'll come back to that as well.

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Speaker 2: Joe McKenna, how are you.

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Speaker 13: I am exhausted as you can imagine.

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. He's a busy man. It's good to have,

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Speaker 2: dear I suggest not being age just about any of this,

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Speaker 2: but it's good to have an active pope who's out

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Speaker 2: and about and doing stuff.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I was just thinking the same thing. Actually, he's sixty nine,

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Speaker 13: he's out and about. He hasn't been sitting still. He's

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Speaker 13: been making unscheduled visits around Rome. Today he also met

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Speaker 13: the tennis champion Janick Sinner at the Vatican.

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Speaker 1: He shared a couple of jokes.

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Speaker 13: Well, he was making jokes about Sinners the other day,

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Speaker 13: so maybe that was his idea of making that allegation

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Speaker 13: against him.

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Speaker 2: He met the meet He's been meeting the media a lot,

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Speaker 2: hasn't he.

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Speaker 13: He had a special audience with us on Monday, which

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Speaker 13: was very interesting. I was surprised. He gave a very

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Speaker 13: serious speech about defending media freedom around the world and

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Speaker 13: imprison journalists and asking journalists to watch the words that

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Speaker 13: we use, you know, not using weapons, using words as

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Speaker 13: a weapon of war. So really trying every speech he's given,

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Speaker 13: he's been trying to emphasize his message of peace so far,

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Speaker 13: and I think we're going to see that in focus

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Speaker 13: on Sunday at his official inauguration at the Vatican.

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Speaker 2: Is that going to draw a crowd?

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Speaker 13: I think we're going to see perhaps more than one

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Speaker 13: hundred thousand. It's hard to predict those crowds. But will

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Speaker 13: we see for example, Vice President J. D. Vance from

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Speaker 13: the US, We will see President Voladimir Celenski and the

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Speaker 13: Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney and the Australian Prime Minister

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Speaker 13: Anthony Albernezis. So we're going to see some really interesting

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Speaker 13: international leaders at this inauguration on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: When you're close with him, has he got a bit

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Speaker 2: of the old expector?

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Speaker 1: Do you know?

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Speaker 13: I was talking about it with some of the other journalists,

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Speaker 13: and we did feel that he had a certain kind

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Speaker 13: of presence. He's very self contained, he's quite reserved, and

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Speaker 13: yet he has a healthy sense of humor, and I

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Speaker 13: think he does have quite a presence about him.

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Speaker 2: Actually, how big is he not to be?

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Speaker 7: Is he?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: Would he be? Five?

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Speaker 16: What?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 13: I didn't get too close, but I'd say five to seven.

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Speaker 13: We low to talk in fete ninches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got to talk in fet ninchz. That's how

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Speaker 2: we do it. It's interesting now, this is because I'm

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Speaker 2: following Trump with the great deal of interest. As I

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Speaker 2: suppose the whole rest of the world is where he's

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Speaker 2: not going through the Middle East, is through Israel and

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Speaker 2: touching based on the Zola mateit in Yahoo, and I'm

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Speaker 2: getting increasingly the sense that the world's getting a little

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Speaker 2: bit fit up with what he's doing, and Maloney might

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Speaker 2: be on that same page.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I was a little surprised today, Mike when the Prime

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Speaker 13: Minister Georgia Maloney attacked Natanna who saying what was going

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Speaker 13: on in Gaza was unjustifiable and dramatic, increasingly dramatic. And

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Speaker 13: then I looked at the polls and I thought, Aha,

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Speaker 13: So a recent Italian pole on the war in Gaza

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Speaker 13: said sixty eight percent of those surveyed said Israel's military

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Speaker 13: response there was unacceptable and disproportionate. So that tells you

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Speaker 13: where Maloney going at this point.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. How has mel Gibson been wrangled into luring Italian

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Speaker 2: films to the US And do they realize he's as

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Speaker 2: crazy as Yeah, I thought he.

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Speaker 13: Was totally out of fashion, but now, of course he's

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Speaker 13: a muger. He's a Trump supporter, and Trump has wrangled

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Speaker 13: him into being some kind of special ambassador to promote

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Speaker 13: cinema and trying to get Italian producers to make Italian

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Speaker 13: films in the US. So we'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go well, Joe, we'll catch up next week very much,

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Speaker 2: Joe McKinnon. Officially, we've got the Pope at five to

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Speaker 2: nine eighty seven kg's which my next obvious once you've

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Speaker 2: done five nine eighty seven cag's what's the bm I

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Speaker 2: on there? It's nice. It's ten minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: The make Hoskin Breakfast with the Range, Rover Villa News

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Speaker 1: Talks head b.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mel Gibson, John Voitz, Sylbster stallone a special movie

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Speaker 2: Ambassadors twenty eight point four. As you BMI for the

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Speaker 2: pope upper category of overweight. So it shows that he

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Speaker 2: doesn't look over weight, does he? But that's the clothing.

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Speaker 2: That's what good design will do for you.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm thinking about moving into something a little bit

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Speaker 12: look with some robes. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Browne seems to be like a fish out of water. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's not a bad point. I'm disappointed and Brownly as

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Speaker 2: speaker of the House, I would regard myself not scouting.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I watch a lot of it. I

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Speaker 2: would regard myself as an aficionado of question time. I've

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Speaker 2: watched a lot of speakers at worked. He's not particularly good.

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Speaker 2: He's contankerous. He tries to be funny periodically.

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Speaker 7: He is.

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Speaker 2: He's got quite a good sense of humor. And a

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Speaker 2: reasonably good one line periodic. But most of the time

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Speaker 2: he's just in a bad mood and it doesn't help,

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Speaker 2: and he doesn't let the house flow, and it should

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Speaker 2: be allowed to flow. Mike, I'm surprised you would think

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Speaker 2: that the show of profanity in our parliament's okay. Didn't

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Speaker 2: say it was okay, And if I did, I misspoke

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Speaker 2: what it was. What I am a big proponent of

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Speaker 2: is using the language in an appropriate fashion. And what

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Speaker 2: Brook van Velden did yesterday was steel. The moment, if

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Speaker 2: you watched it live, there was that you saw a

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Speaker 2: shift in the debate. You could almost see the whole

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Speaker 2: house go wool because it came out of nowhere. And ironically,

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Speaker 2: Brownly had butchered the whole process up until that point

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Speaker 2: in time, and he had prevented her from speaking, and

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Speaker 2: that in and of itself looked misogynist. And I'll come

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Speaker 2: back to this because the point everyone lost there, you

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Speaker 2: know what, over the sea word. But the real point

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Speaker 2: van Velden made was completely missed by the media, and

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Speaker 2: it was an important point and she made it so

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Speaker 2: well that you saw the entire thing move. So the

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Speaker 2: other thing about the sea word is it as part

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Speaker 2: of the language, like it or not. And she was

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Speaker 2: quoting somebody, And when you quote somebody, in my view,

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Speaker 2: you're allowed to use the word five minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: And the ouse. It's the fizz with business fiber. Take

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Speaker 1: your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Now our housing market. I got some reasonably good news

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Speaker 2: Cotality New Zealand. Exactly, we've had a rebrand. I may

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Speaker 2: get back to that anyway. They were formally call Logic.

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Speaker 2: They've decided to call themselves this morning, Coatality. This is

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Speaker 2: the Cotality Pain and Gain Report for the March quarter.

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Speaker 2: Nine out of ten resellers are making a profit, so

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Speaker 2: it's ninety point eight specifically, which is down from ninety

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Speaker 2: one point one, so it's down a bit, but still

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Speaker 2: most people make a profit. The boom time was ninety

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Speaker 2: nine percent, but that was COVID and everyone was crazy

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Speaker 2: at that particular point in time. How much do you

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Speaker 2: make average profit? Two hundred and eighty thousand dollars last

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Speaker 2: quarter it was two ninety eight. The peak was four forty,

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Speaker 2: so not what it was, but still pretty good. If

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Speaker 2: you made a loss, total loss decreased slightly, so you're

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Speaker 2: only losing fifty grand. That's in line basically with the

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Speaker 2: last three yearly average losses fifty to sixty grand. Thereabout

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Speaker 2: all of this happens while house prices are sitting still

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Speaker 2: at sixteen percent below the twenty twenty two peak. Nothing

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Speaker 2: changes though. On the ownership thing, the key is the

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Speaker 2: longer you own, the more you make. Average owner had

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Speaker 2: be home for nine point one years. Average time for

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Speaker 2: loss is three point three So, in other words, if

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Speaker 2: you flicking quickly, chances are you going to lose money.

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Speaker 2: Other thing that happens is if you're selling a house

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Speaker 2: versus an apartartment. House, you probably won't lose money. Apartment you

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Speaker 2: may well do. Eight point four percent of home sold

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Speaker 2: at a loss, thirty two percent of apartments sold at

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Speaker 2: a loss. So if you got an apartment and you

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Speaker 2: fleck it quickly, you're done for. Basically, if you've got

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Speaker 2: a house and you hold it for a while, you're okay.

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Speaker 2: Cotality aims to emphasize the company's commitment to collaboration, connectivity,

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Speaker 2: and a total approach to the property industry. They have

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Speaker 2: a new logo, They have a new tagline, Intelligence Beyond Bounds.

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Speaker 2: How you come up with that? Why you come up

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Speaker 2: with that? Who are you paying? How much you pay

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Speaker 2: to somebody to come up with that? I got no idea,

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Speaker 2: but core logic, to my mind sort of made sense. Cotality.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's just part of this weird and wacky world

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Speaker 2: in which we live at the moment. So don McKinnon

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Speaker 2: form a foreign minister? What's you make of this? Is

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Speaker 2: put going to be there? Is the Lensking going to

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Speaker 2: be there? They're actually going to talk? Do they want

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Speaker 2: to peace? As the war over? What happens? Let's have

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Speaker 2: a look at this. Bill Foley of Auckland FC and

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Speaker 2: the Vegas Black Knights. He's with us after light o'clock

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: The Breakfast show, Kiwi's Trust to Stay in the Know,

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Speaker 2: Be seven past seven. So Turkey becomes the center of

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff tonight. Marco Rubio is going to

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Speaker 2: be making the Syrian foreign minister, apparently on a bigger stage.

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Speaker 2: Zelensky is going to meet perhaps Putin, perhaps not to

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Speaker 2: try and maybe maybe not sort out the war. So

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Speaker 2: we're part of the coalition of the Willing. Obviously so

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Speaker 2: we've got a stake in all of this. Former Foreign

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Speaker 2: Minister Sir Don McKinnon back with us. Don morning, good

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Speaker 2: morning to you. Do you do you sense there's goodwill

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Speaker 2: here that this could go somewhere, or we wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: a clue.

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Speaker 16: I think there's a lot of goodwill on Zolensky's side.

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure there's goodwill on Putin's side, and I'm

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Speaker 16: not sure the Americans have their own presitant choreographed to

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Speaker 16: go in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's some sort of rumor that Trump may

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Speaker 2: show up. Does do these key people need to be

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Speaker 2: in the room or can you do this without them?

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Speaker 16: Well, you could do it without them. But this has

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Speaker 16: been very finely balanced, really, and there's a great deal

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Speaker 16: of uncertainty about what sort of a deal would trump'sy

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Speaker 16: is successful, and I think there's a fairly body of

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Speaker 16: opinion which said he would be prepared to give too

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Speaker 16: the coach and the willing countries like us, the liberal

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Speaker 16: democracies we do stand up for that freedom of sovereignty

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Speaker 16: which is Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Do we actually have a say? And more important, I

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Speaker 2: suppose does the EU and NATO have a say, those

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Speaker 2: three get in the room and somehow come to an arrangement.

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Speaker 2: Who else gets to, you know, toss their ten cents

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Speaker 2: with him?

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Speaker 16: What has arranged really, if it's agreed upon between Trump

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Speaker 16: and Putin, is probably the final deal? Is that good

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Speaker 16: for Zelenski? That is, we don't know. And this is

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Speaker 16: where the worry is. I think the European leaders have

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Speaker 16: done a tremendous amount of stepping up to the plate.

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Speaker 16: Our long way from where they'd liked be. But they

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Speaker 16: certainly have influence, as does NATO, and it's very real

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Speaker 16: for that part of the world. My an old friend

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Speaker 16: of mine, the former foreign Minister of Estonia, says quite candidly,

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Speaker 16: if Ukraine has lost, we are next. We and Estonia

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Speaker 16: are next. And she's quite truthful about that, because they

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Speaker 16: know what it's like to be under the Russian.

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Speaker 2: Heel and talking about truthful. When America says let's sort

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Speaker 2: this or we're out, do you believe them?

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Speaker 16: Well, you can sort it out, but to whose advantage.

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure that the Trump administration is fully behind

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Speaker 16: the sovereign state of Ukraine as we all expect it

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Speaker 16: to be and that will be tested by this meeting

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Speaker 16: in Turkey.

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Speaker 2: All right, appreciate Tim very much to Don m Kenton,

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Speaker 2: former Foreign Minister with us this morning. It's name and

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Speaker 2: it's past seven, Oscar. The family boost thing seems to

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Speaker 2: be we don't have you to Doory. Oh she's there?

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Speaker 18: Is she?

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Speaker 2: My apology? Someone should have told me. Privileges Committee got

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Speaker 2: there on the end, Marry Patty co leaders packron Ytt

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Speaker 2: is suspended for twenty one days, as might be Clark

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Speaker 2: gets seven. They've been suspended under the notion of contempt

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Speaker 2: of the House. Judith Collins is, of course the Privileges

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Speaker 2: Committee chair and as well. It's a very good morning

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 9: Oh good morning mine.

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Speaker 2: Wheels turn a bit slowly in this Judith or not.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's been a long process, Mike, and I'd say

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Speaker 9: that the Committee has undertaking every opportunity we can to

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Speaker 9: engage meaningfully with the three members of Parliament and we've given,

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Speaker 9: as I said, every opportunity, but eventually we've got their

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Speaker 9: towards determination.

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Speaker 7: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Are you allowed to talk about what happens in the

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Speaker 2: Privileges Committee? I mean we're universal in your view? Do

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Speaker 2: you go along party lines, do you fight your throw

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Speaker 2: sandwich is what happens.

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Speaker 9: Well, over the six months, it's been very collegial and

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Speaker 9: people have been working really hard across the committee to

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Speaker 9: try and come to consensus. But of course the factors

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Speaker 9: is that some people are going to see things differently.

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Speaker 9: But there's obviously near the end when it came down

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Speaker 9: to penalties, that's where there's a disagreement in particular. Although

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Speaker 9: as you see from the reports from the differing views

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Speaker 9: of Labor Agreeens and to party Mari even they are

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Speaker 2: Okay, so just to bring everyone up to speed, who

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Speaker 2: doesn't follow the privilegeous committee. First of all, it's sitting

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Speaker 2: days or just days.

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Speaker 9: It's days. Well that's so the suspension, well no suspension

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Speaker 9: carries with it a lack of salary for twenty one days.

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Speaker 9: It's actually a very severe penalty compared to what else

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Speaker 9: has been awarded in the past. So suspension is not

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Speaker 9: only from the house, it's suspension from salary. So that's

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Speaker 9: actually quite we haven't had that for that period of

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Speaker 9: time before. But then, as I say, we've never seen

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Speaker 9: that level of behavior before either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll come to that. I have time in a

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Speaker 2: moment the vote it need to be voted on. Would

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Speaker 2: you expect it to be confirmed vote wise?

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Speaker 9: Well, I expect it will be confirmed on Tuesday for

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Speaker 9: the vote, but look, hopefully some other parties will come across.

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Speaker 9: But I think it's very much clear that the MPs

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Speaker 9: on the Privilegus Committee, the National Act and New Zealand

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Speaker 9: First MPs felt this was a reasonable position and given everything,

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Speaker 9: I really do think it was a reasonable position to

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Speaker 9: come to.

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Speaker 2: Are they contriy it in any way given the way

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Speaker 2: they behaved? I mean, if this is supposed to be

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Speaker 2: some sort of deterrent, I don't see it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: these people are lauren to themselves, aren't they.

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Speaker 9: I think that's a de terrent for many people. But

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Speaker 9: the main thing is it's about that day and what happened.

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Speaker 9: We found some level of contrition from as Mighty Clark,

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Speaker 9: the least experience of the MPs, but only from the

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Speaker 9: point she had apologized to the Speaker herself the next day,

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Speaker 9: so that was something I think. You know, we also

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Speaker 9: learned from her media comments that there was quite a

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Speaker 9: level of premeditation, which course did not help the case.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching you yesterday, Judith and Brooklyn and what's become

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Speaker 2: of us? The hell is going on?

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Speaker 9: You know, there's a lack of civility now and it's

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Speaker 9: not acceptable. And I feel that, you know the comments

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Speaker 9: of the print journalist in the Sunday Star Times this

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Speaker 9: last Sunday was one of the lowest points I think

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Speaker 9: I've seen in twenty three years. That and what happened

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Speaker 9: on the fourteenth of November and Parliament, it's just the

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Speaker 9: sort of behavior towards each other that is despicable. So

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Speaker 9: I'd say to brook you know, I wouldn't use the

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Speaker 9: word myself, but I did feel that she at least

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Speaker 9: stood up for herself and for all the rest of us.

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Speaker 9: And I am waiting for someone of the left persue

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Speaker 9: in our parliament. One MP, just one to come out

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Speaker 9: and say it's not okay to attack people just because

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Speaker 9: you don't agree with what they do.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't agree with that one, all right, I talk to you,

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Speaker 2: Judith Collins, privileges head and esteemed Member of the House.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen past seven.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll make mcgrian our military experts back with

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Speaker 2: a couple of moments of Putin's and Lensky meeting, we'll

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Speaker 2: see what he makes of it all from military perspective

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Speaker 2: meantime seventeen past seven to the Work from Home Department

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Speaker 2: where mediation between the government of the unions has fallen over.

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Speaker 2: So it's off to the Employment Relations Authority. So what

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Speaker 2: does the law say around about this? Jennifer Mills is

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Speaker 2: an employment law specialist and cheesbag with us as well.

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Morning, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 7: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm extremely well. I think this has been invented out

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Speaker 2: of COVID. Correct me if I'm wrong, And if it has,

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Speaker 2: is there any actual well established law around whether you

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Speaker 2: can or who makes the rules and whether you have

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Speaker 2: to follow them?

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Speaker 19: Well, it absolutely has had its genesis because of the

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Speaker 19: COVID situation, and there was a guidance issued by the

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Speaker 19: government in twenty twenty which enabled public sector workers to

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Speaker 19: work from home by default. And what we've got here

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Speaker 19: is Sibrian Roche issuing a new guidance which says no

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Speaker 19: working from home is not an entitlement. It's got to

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Speaker 19: be by contractual agreement between the employee and employer, and

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Speaker 19: it can only be agreed where performance isn't compromised. The

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Speaker 19: PSA is running a novel argument that this is discriminatory

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Speaker 19: this guidance, noting that, of course Sir Brian Roche has

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Speaker 19: very broad powers under the Public Service that to issue

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Speaker 19: this guidance in any event. But the PSA's argument is

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Speaker 19: that it is discriminatory and it is inappropriate for the

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Speaker 19: government to restrict flexible working practices in this way.

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Speaker 2: How can you argue about something that wasn't even a

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Speaker 2: thing until it was, and then you're just going back

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Speaker 2: to what it was beforehand.

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Speaker 19: I understand that it's a good question, Mike. I understand

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Speaker 19: that the PSA are relying on the fact that there

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Speaker 19: is this new guidance and that this guidance is somehow

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Speaker 19: included in employees' collective agreements. But the argument that there's

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Speaker 19: a breach of workers collective agreements will necessarily fail because

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Speaker 19: the guidance expressly carves out any employees express right to

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Speaker 19: work from home. So let's put that to one side.

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Speaker 19: The rest of the argument is that this new guidance

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Speaker 19: is discriminatory because of the impact it has on women,

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Speaker 19: and I can't see a legal basis to run.

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Speaker 2: An other Well, they're not running that this is an

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Speaker 2: equity of what a pile of Well, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: suppose I'm a union. I try anything on. Can they

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Speaker 2: win this? Would they win this?

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Speaker 19: In my assessment, the authority would not find that the

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Speaker 19: PSA's argument or arguments would be successful. I can't see

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Speaker 19: a successful argument that women are being treated differently by

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Speaker 19: reason of the mental family's datus. And I can't see

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Speaker 19: that it's indirect discrimination. Sure, there is a negative impact

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Speaker 19: on women, but the condition can be justified objectively, and

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Speaker 19: that's the legal test here. So I cannot see that

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Speaker 19: the authority would find in favor of the PSA.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Jennifer, appreciate your time as always, Jennifer Mills,

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Speaker 2: who's with Jennifer Mills and Associates. You noticed there it's

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Speaker 2: almost like the unions are overreaching on the pay equity law,

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Speaker 2: which might lead you to believe the pay equity law

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Speaker 2: might need changing. I'll come back to Brook van Velden

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Speaker 2: in a moment seven twenty.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Call

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Speaker 2: Small update on what I said this time yesterday on

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Speaker 2: pay equity see my gut says and upset it a

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Speaker 2: couple of times.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 2: This isn't going to damage the government. Now, Don't get

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Speaker 2: me wrong. If I was the opposition, I'd be prosecuting

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Speaker 2: this as hard as it possibly could the way they are,

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Speaker 2: in fact, because they have a genuine issue and ongoing

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Speaker 2: issue at least until the budget that they quite rightly

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Speaker 2: believe is there for the taking in terms of points

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Speaker 2: and headlines and moral high ground. Now I don't think

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Speaker 2: that ultimately is true, but I fully get that they

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Speaker 2: think it is. The tide though turned yesterday in Question Time,

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Speaker 2: not because Brook van Velden dropped the sea word. Watching

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Speaker 2: it live, it really was quite the moment. Question Time

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Speaker 2: has become doura. As I said earlier on in the program,

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Speaker 2: there's limited talent in the House these days, and the

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Speaker 2: speaker's cantankerous and ruins the fund. But yesterday was alive

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Speaker 2: with freshant. Van Velden's might drop moment was in fact

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Speaker 2: pointing out that Jantinetti, the questioner, a former woman's minister,

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Speaker 2: a woman who railed against misogyny, was using misogyny by

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Speaker 2: quoting a misogynistic article authored by a woman to make

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Speaker 2: her point that led to applause. Rightly so, and further

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Speaker 2: expose the Labour Party and in fact most of the

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Speaker 2: Opposition benches as frauds who are arguing the pay equity

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Speaker 2: issue using bogus material and fake facts. The more this

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Speaker 2: is debated, the more hope you have that a wider

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Speaker 2: grouping of us will tune in and get into the detail,

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Speaker 2: because it's in the detail the truth lies, and the

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Speaker 2: truth is the equity laws or rules were a shambles

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Speaker 2: and being milked by unions, an example of which was

873
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: just given on this program a couple of moments ago.

874
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Speaker 2: But the tide turned also are because there seems genuine

875
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Speaker 2: anger within the government over what Andrea Vants was allowed

876
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Speaker 2: to do. And when I say aloud, I assume she's

877
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Speaker 2: edited and therefore cleared. The odd thing for me is

878
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Speaker 2: I struggle to get upset at being attacked. I mean,

879
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: being a public figure, you are open for this sort

880
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: of stuff, and I've received more than most its water

881
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: off a duck's back, especially from an angsty journalist Van

882
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: Velden Collins, and as Varce calls them, the hype squad

883
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: seem though, and you saw this yesterday, seem genuinely outraged.

884
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: And it's that outrage that turned or at least will

885
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Speaker 2: turn the dial. If they argue on fact and the

886
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: other side continue to argue you on a motion using lies,

887
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: bogus material and foul language, they will eventually lose. Hence

888
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: the dent that so many thought was coming for the

889
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: government will never arrive. ASKI body, Mike. The Privileges Committee

890
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: just added a twenty one day bus ticket to the

891
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Speaker 2: most racist to visit political party ever. Probably true. I

892
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: think that's probably true. But that's no different from a court.

893
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: There are people who are shocked to their core at

894
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Speaker 2: receiving a sentence in the courts of the land. There

895
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Speaker 2: are people who give the middle finger and couldn't give

896
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Speaker 2: the monkeys. So this is no different, Mike. Ironically, the

897
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Speaker 2: suspensions won't make a difference to their attendants. They hardly

898
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Speaker 2: show up as it is. Would you quote the N word, Mike.

899
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Speaker 2: The big differences, and this is where I defend this

900
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Speaker 2: are probably not N and sea I'd probably withdraw from,

901
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: but I'd come awfully close to be blunt. If I'm

902
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: quoting somebody, I'm a big believer. If you're quoting somebody,

903
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: you quote the quote, and so in that sense, if

904
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: you're really finding the sea word distasteful, blame Andrew of Ants.

905
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: Don't blame a person quoting Andrew of Ants. Andrew of

906
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: Vance started this, and she was allowed to start it

907
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: by people in the newspaper who should be ashamed of

908
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: themselves what they were thinking. I've got no idea, unless,

909
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: of course, the ore the sort of people who sit

910
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: there listening to this reveling away going, oh, look at

911
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: all the publicity we manage to get ourselves. But then

912
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: that's a very slippery slope, isn't it.

913
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Speaker 1: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday Brook illustrated and illuminated, and I'm under rules. That

915
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Speaker 2: was my point. In parliament, you can say whatever you like.

916
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: You've got parliamentary privilege, especially if you're quoting something, whereas

917
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Speaker 2: I may I could probably claim if I'm quoting I'd

918
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Speaker 2: defend myself at that in the BSA, that's if you

919
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: took the BSA seriously. I take the BSA about as

920
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Speaker 2: seriously as to take the Privileges Committee. Yesterday Brook illustrated

921
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: and illuminated what has been obvious to us for a

922
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Speaker 2: long time. The left only have empathy for their own.

923
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: They do not accept that anyone on the right suffers,

924
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 2: the perception being that people who do well deserve ridicule. Mike,

925
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Speaker 2: what time does Question Times start today? See? There you go.

926
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Speaker 2: If nothing else has come out of this, if we

927
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Speaker 2: get more people watching democracy unfold and how this country

928
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: has run, that's no bad thing. The answer is two o'clock.

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Speaker 12: Can they have a word of the day? Maybe at

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Speaker 12: Question Time?

931
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Speaker 2: No? Okay, Mike, just because you put three dots after

932
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Speaker 2: a letter doesn't diminish the meaning of the message. Good

933
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Speaker 2: on Brook for bringing the message home. Brook van Velden,

934
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Speaker 2: I suspect. I don't know if she's set out to

935
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Speaker 2: do it, but she had, without question, her finest moment

936
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Speaker 2: as a politician, and it might have been the moment

937
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Speaker 2: that got to her. But it's a moment she will

938
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Speaker 2: never forget for fairly obvious reasons. Right this get together

939
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Speaker 2: in Turkey? Is this going anywhere?

940
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Speaker 9: Or not?

941
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Speaker 2: McK ryan's back.

942
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Speaker 1: Next your source of freaking news, challenging opinion, and honored facts.

943
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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover villa designed

944
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Speaker 1: to intrigue and use Tom's dead b.

945
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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back Bill Foley After eight o'clock. US billionaire.

946
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Speaker 2: He's the owner of a part owner of upland f C.

947
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Speaker 2: He owns a number of sports franchises around the world.

948
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Speaker 2: He's into English football. These owner of the NHL Black Knights.

949
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Speaker 2: Vegas Knights are playoff today with the Edmonton Oilers. There

950
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Speaker 2: three nil down, so three one down, So I'm kind

951
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Speaker 2: of hoping he's in a good mood because the chance

952
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: of coming back to school one down is slimmish. Anyway,

953
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Speaker 2: we're talking about Auckland. That seems great story. After eight

954
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Speaker 2: o'clock meantime, back to the big business tonight in Turkey?

955
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Speaker 2: Or is there tight lips all around as to who's

956
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Speaker 2: going to be there. I'm suggesting Trump may even get involved.

957
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Speaker 2: A Slitski says he will be there. Putin has said nothing,

958
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 2: So what chance this blows up? Or maybe we've got

959
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Speaker 2: an end in sight. Retired Australia Major General and strategistic

960
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Speaker 2: Ryan back with us on the program.

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Speaker 8: Very good morning, Yeah good, it's great to be with

962
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Speaker 8: you again.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you getting up early for us. Now, the

964
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Speaker 2: desire for progress. Who's got who blinks first?

965
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Speaker 18: You?

966
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: Who needs who more.

967
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Speaker 8: I actually think Putin probably needs this more than anybody.

968
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Speaker 8: At the end of the day, he's not doing that well.

969
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 8: He likes to messages that he's taking grand in Ukraine,

970
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 8: but essentially he's failed at his core objective to the war,

971
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Speaker 8: which is to subjugate Ukraine. Trump would obviously like to

972
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Speaker 8: see some kind of progress, but he's also indicated that

973
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Speaker 8: he's happy to walk away if he doesn't achieve that.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe he'll walk away or America walks away or.

975
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Speaker 8: Not not at this point because pretty much every promise

976
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Speaker 8: Trump has made during the election campaign and since he's

977
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Speaker 8: walked back on, including tariffs and these kind of things.

978
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Speaker 8: So you know, I think we should take that walk

979
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Speaker 8: away threat with a grain of salt. Hee and Witkoff

980
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 8: have been threatening this for months. They yet to do it.

981
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Speaker 8: They remain engaged, and we see that both Witkoff and Kellogg,

982
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Speaker 8: the other American who's involved in this process, will both

983
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Speaker 8: be in Turkey for these talks if they occur.

984
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Speaker 2: Are they being stretched as the administration being stretched at

985
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Speaker 2: the moment between Iran, the Middle East, the Tourran? What

986
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Speaker 2: else can I think of?

987
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 7: That?

988
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Speaker 2: In the India, Pakistan, Syria, I mean too much going on.

989
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 8: Well, I think the degree of threats would be an

990
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Speaker 8: intellectual and physical challenge for any administration. And this isn't

991
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Speaker 8: the most capable or intellectual administration we've seen in America's history,

992
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Speaker 8: So you know, they are stretched, and you know, the

993
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Speaker 8: world is probably the most at the most dangerous point

994
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Speaker 8: we've seen in many, many decades. So any administration would

995
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Speaker 8: be struggling. This one is probably struggling more than most

996
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Speaker 8: would have.

997
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: They overplayed their hand, the Americans, that says on the

998
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: minerals deal while threatening to walk, given that, why would

999
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: you walk if you've got a minerals deal.

1000
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 8: Well, they certainly overpromised and underdelivered on it. I mean,

1001
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Speaker 8: at the end of the day, they walk back a

1002
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Speaker 8: bunch of threats on paying back this ludicrous three hundred

1003
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Speaker 8: and fifty billion dollar figure, which was just some made

1004
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 8: up figure in Trump's mind. And we should remember too

1005
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Speaker 8: that the Americans in twenty seventeen signed a very similar

1006
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Speaker 8: deal with the government of Afghanistan. Two years later went

1007
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Speaker 8: behind their back and negotiated a peace with their enemies.

1008
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Speaker 8: So you know, I don't think we should hold out

1009
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 8: too much hope for this minerals deal, other than it

1010
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 8: might keep the Americans interested in Ukraine in the future.

1011
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: As we understand it, the American ideas Crimea has gone

1012
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: to the Russians because no one objective when they grabbed it,

1013
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: and the ground they've got currently they get to keep.

1014
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: One can Zelenski live with that? Can the people of

1015
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Speaker 2: Ukraine live with that? And two? If they could? Is

1016
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: that a win for Russia? And is that how Putin

1017
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Speaker 2: would see it?

1018
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 8: Firstally, I think that the Ukrainians will remain pretty pragmatic

1019
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 8: in negotiating a ceasefire, a war termination agreement may see

1020
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Speaker 8: them except that the Russians temporarily occupy Ukrainian territory. But

1021
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 8: they've been very clear and I don't think this will change.

1022
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Speaker 8: They won't accept that these are parts of Russia. And

1023
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 8: you know, this will be a problem for Russia in

1024
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Speaker 8: the future too, because Russia will have to pretend it's

1025
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Speaker 8: occupied Leans against the Ukrainians. So it's a threat to them.

1026
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Speaker 8: You know, at the end of the day, no one

1027
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Speaker 8: wants peace more than the Ukrainians do. But as most

1028
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Speaker 8: of the Poles in Ukraine have pointed out, Ukrainians don't

1029
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 8: want peace at any price.

1030
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Speaker 2: Do you believe the narrative that unless Putin has stopped,

1031
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: he will carry on? Does he have the capability to

1032
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Speaker 2: carry on if he hasn't done that?

1033
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Speaker 8: Well here, yeah, absolutely, I mean it's no longer a narrative,

1034
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Speaker 8: it's an intelligence assessment from multiple European countries that Putin

1035
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Speaker 8: is beginning with Ukraine, not ending with Ukraine. That's why

1036
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Speaker 8: the Poles are spending, you know, are over four percent

1037
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Speaker 8: of their GDP underfense. Why the Baltics and Finland and

1038
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 8: Sweden are why Finland and Sweden joined NATO even when

1039
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Speaker 8: they didn't during the Cold War. They all believe the

1040
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Speaker 8: Putin has wider designs on a sphere of influence in Europe,

1041
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Speaker 8: and even if he doesn't have the capability, he is

1042
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Speaker 8: building the capability. But even if he didn't, it would

1043
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Speaker 8: be prudent for us to assume that he wants to

1044
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Speaker 8: do that and take the measures necessary to deter that behavior.

1045
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Speaker 2: Where does the EU and NATO fit into this? Can

1046
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 2: a deal be done without them, you know, actually being

1047
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Speaker 2: involved or is it a photocompley or what?

1048
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 8: No, I don't think there's a deal here without the

1049
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Speaker 8: EU being involved and NATO. I mean EU has a

1050
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Speaker 8: much closer relationship with the EU than the United States

1051
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Speaker 8: does in many respects Ukraine is on the pathway to

1052
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Speaker 8: EU membership. You know, you can look up the annual

1053
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Speaker 8: assessments of how Ukraine he's doing on that.

1054
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Speaker 12: NATO is a bit different.

1055
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Speaker 8: I mean, you've already seen the Europeans inching around a

1056
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Speaker 8: different alliance construct than the current US led NATO. So

1057
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Speaker 8: I think EU is going to be an essential part

1058
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Speaker 8: of a solution for Ukraine purely because of the economic

1059
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Speaker 8: dimensions of reconstruction and post war development for.

1060
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Speaker 2: Ukraent simple terms, what happens, Is this going to get

1061
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Speaker 2: sorted or not?

1062
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Speaker 8: If I was a betting person, I wouldn't be expecting

1063
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Speaker 8: too much out of any meeting that happens in Turkey.

1064
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Speaker 8: We don't even know who's going to turn up. Putin

1065
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 8: is still stringing everyone along. I don't know that he

1066
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Speaker 8: can continue to do that successfully with the Americans, even

1067
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Speaker 8: they at some point become frustrated with him.

1068
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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, make appreciate your time very much. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk again soon. Retired major general academic and strategists these

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Speaker 2: days mcryan out of Australia seventeen minutes away from eight

1071
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: just asking on the business of the plane and Trump

1072
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: that I've been reading about, and I got to get

1073
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 2: it out of the way, otherwise I'll forget. Many years

1074
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Speaker 2: ago Martin van Buren, who was a US president, in fact,

1075
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Speaker 2: he was the US president. He was the eighth US president,

1076
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Speaker 2: and he was the US president between eighteen thirty seven

1077
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Speaker 2: and eighteen forty one, and they decided that they would

1078
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Speaker 2: give him some stuff. And I'll tell you the stuff

1079
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Speaker 2: in just a couple of moments. The Constitution requires that

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Speaker 2: gifts are be declared. I deem it, he wrote my

1081
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Speaker 2: duty to lay the proposition before Congress for such disposition

1082
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Speaker 2: as they may think fit to make of it. After

1083
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Speaker 2: explaining that he understood such gifts anyway were against the law,

1084
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Speaker 2: Congress had a look at that and said, mate, it's

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Speaker 2: against the law. What he had been offered was some lions,

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Speaker 2: so they went to a zoo. He was offered some horses,

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00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: so they got sold, and he got offered some pearls

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00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 2: there now in the Smithsonian. As far as the planes concerned,

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00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: the argument from the Trump camp is that it's been

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00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: given to the Pentagon, and that may give them legal cover. Also,

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Speaker 2: what is interesting is they may well rely on the

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00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: Supreme Court and that ruling around the President being basically

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00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: immune from anything, and if that wasn't a complete immunity,

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00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: it was a partial immunity. But he may well rely

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00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: on that to get him through this. Seven five.

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Speaker 1: Love My Costing Breakfast, a full show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: Morning. My history doesn't favor the Golden Knights of the

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00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty two NHL teams trailing a playoff

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00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: series three one just thirty two of advanced success rate

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00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: of nine percent. Great stat. Love a good stat Mike

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00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: email I got from London this morning. I'll have you

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00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: in a moment. But this is the other one I

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00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: got domestically. My wife and I are going to celebrate

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00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: our sixtieth wedding anniversary. Will congratulations on that? Twenty two

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Speaker 2: May fantastic. Pleasantly surprised to receive a card congratulating us

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00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: from our local MP personally signed. You don't say who

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00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: the local MP is. That would vary for me. There

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00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: are certain MPs I wouldn't mind getting a card from

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00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: the ourser put them straight in the bin. The next

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00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: day we got a card from the Prime Minister again

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00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: personally signs very nice and mister and missus or missus

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00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: and mister Governor General personally signed. I would not have

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00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: thought the people in those offices would have taken the

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00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: time to do such a thing that's generational. These days

1116
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: everyone thinks you owed everything from your generation. Bill, you're

1117
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: grateful for anything. But I didn't realize that was the

1118
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: thing either, and it clearly is, which is good. And

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00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: maybe you'll get something from the King as well. Who

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Speaker 2: knows sixtieth diamond You can't argue with them. The other

1121
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: email I got from London, Mike, I'm a key you

1122
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: based in London, listened to you show each morning or evening.

1123
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: I was struck by your comments about the cost of

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00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: smoked salmon here in London. I regularly purchased smoked salmon

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Speaker 2: for nineteen nineteen bonones FIFTEP, which is approximately forty New

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00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: Zealand dollars. The stark difference is one of the many

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Speaker 2: reasons we decided to leave the country. It's disheartening to

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Speaker 2: see such high prices for local products. I believe the

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00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: economic policies under Robertson and Owe have played a significant

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00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: role in the situation, Absolutely true, one hundred percent. I

1131
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: emailed back, of course and said, I take it. It's

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00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: the proper Scottish stuff, And you said one hundred percent Scottish.

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00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 2: So he's paying for the real deal forty bucks a kilos.

1134
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 2: So how does it get to one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: five in this country?

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Speaker 1: Ten to eight casting Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Talks, they'd.

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Speaker 2: Be tiving away from it normally when it comes to

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00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 2: thrills and tourism, of course aj Hackett gets a lot

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Speaker 2: of headlines. But what about Skyline. They they're behind the

1140
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 2: luge ride. Of course you've been done the Lusion, Queenstown,

1141
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: done the Lousion rode a ruler. Well, the Skyline Louge

1142
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: has just passed one hundred million rides. They've got eight

1143
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 2: tracks around the world. They're about to open another one

1144
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: in Swansea and Wales. Grant Henzman as the director of

1145
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: Skyline Enterprises and as well, there's Grant by good morning

1146
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: to you, Good morning one hundred million. Who would have thought, hey.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a big number, isn't it.

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00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: I reckon? Do they all perform are basically the same

1149
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: no matter where you put them in the world. The

1150
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 2: same sortish number of people come and pay the same

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00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: sort of amount of money a year.

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00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 14: It's relatively the same cookt price, which fate's back to

1153
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 14: what is affordable on the market. They don't all do

1154
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 14: the same numbers, some types for far more numbers than others.

1155
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 14: Two of the sites are season or they're only operator

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Speaker 14: in the summer in Canada.

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00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a couple in Kenaday, got the rest

1158
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Speaker 2: in Asia. What's brought the whales thing on? Because you're

1159
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Speaker 2: not in that part of the world.

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Speaker 14: Well, we're actively looking for expansion. We don't limit ourselves

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Speaker 14: to any particular jurisdictions. There are some jurisdictions that we're

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Speaker 14: probably more reluctant to go for for a raft of reasons.

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Speaker 2: What are you Is it simply a build that and

1164
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: you will come thing, find a slope, put a track

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00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: and they will come. Or is it more complicated than that?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, only if it was that simple, right, No. We

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00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 14: look for sites that already have other activities around them.

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00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 14: They need to have a number of criteria, which is

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Speaker 14: the right amount of elevation, the right population, the right

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Speaker 14: regulusory environment, and the business still has to work for

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Speaker 14: the company is it tourism?

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Speaker 2: Are locals? If I'm in rot Rua, do I lose

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Speaker 2: on a regular basis because I live there or not?

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Speaker 14: Here's a lot due One of the successes of the

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00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 14: lush is the retief business. We have people who have

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00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 14: been coming back full four forty years. We've been going

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Speaker 14: the road to ruly started as kids and are now

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00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 14: bringing their game kids.

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Speaker 2: Have the carts changed dramatically?

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00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 14: No, no, the principle is exactly the same, and they

1181
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 14: have got a lot more robust. I mean in the

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00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 14: early days we had real troubles, cut bodies, folding, conveyors

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00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 14: not working mechanically. They failed. Maintenance was a killer, and

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00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 14: our engineer of the day took what was the early

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00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 14: systems and involved it into the robust product that you

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Speaker 14: see today.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, is that do you worry about the danger

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00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: side of the equation in a world of we worry

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Speaker 2: about everything?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 14: Over the years we've had a real folk to so

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Speaker 14: on improving the safety and reducing the accidents, which continues

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Speaker 14: to be one of her main focuses today or the

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Speaker 14: main focus and period. The accident rate's gone down in

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Speaker 14: the order of three to four thousand per cent.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, good on you. Well, congratulations Grant. I got to

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Speaker 2: be honest, I didn't realize they were as big as

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Speaker 2: they are. I mean, I've been to rot and have

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Speaker 2: been to Queenstown, but they are in various parts of

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Speaker 2: the world, as I say, in Asia and up into

1202
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: they're in Singapore, there's and Tozer, so you've probably been

1203
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: on that one up into Canada as well and now

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00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 2: opening in Whales. One hundred million rights started in the

1205
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Speaker 2: sixties nineteen sixty six by Grant's dad Hilton, used for

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Speaker 2: you in a couple of months. Actually, speaking of sport,

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Speaker 2: Auckland FC, surely that's the sports story of the year

1208
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 2: to start to win, to dominate our first playoff game.

1209
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Speaker 2: Of course, this weekend, the man behind it all, mister Foley,

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Speaker 2: is with us shortly.

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Speaker 1: The news and the news leakers, the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: with Bailey's real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial

1213
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: and rural news talks had been.

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Speaker 2: Number A seven past eight. Even if you don't follow football,

1215
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: the Auckland FT story is one for the ages. Brand

1216
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: new team wins the comprom the per season. The playoffs

1217
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Speaker 2: for the title itself begin this weekend. Of course, in

1218
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 2: a home and away affair set up by Bill Foley,

1219
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: who knows a bit about sport, being part of the

1220
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Speaker 2: Vegas Golden Knights who have been playing the Edmondon Oilers

1221
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Speaker 2: and this year's Stanley Cup playoffs, and Bill Foley is

1222
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: back with us. Bill, very good morning to you.

1223
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Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning to you, actually the afternoon here, but

1224
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 7: that's nice to talk to you.

1225
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Speaker 2: Make it's good to have you back on the program.

1226
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: As far as the Golden Knights, before we get to

1227
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: walkingd the FC, As far as the Golden Knights are concerned,

1228
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're well aware of these statistical probabilities of

1229
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: coming back from three to one. How bullish are you?

1230
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 7: Well, we have a ninety two percent negative chance, So

1231
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 7: it's not good. It's not good. We just in game two,

1232
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 7: I think we had like thirty five shots and they

1233
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 7: had around twenty, and we had so many chances and

1234
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 7: their goalie was unbelievable. And then it got to overtime

1235
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 7: and we had more good shots and they got really

1236
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 7: a lucky break. And I saw that in game two

1237
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 7: because we've lost game one. I thought, uh oh, this

1238
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 7: is the problem. Because if we'd left Vegas one and

1239
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 7: one I knew we could win a game in Edmonton

1240
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 7: and maybe back to two to two, and then it's

1241
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 7: then it's a three game series in effect, and with

1242
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 7: two games at home for us. But now we've got

1243
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 7: to the boys have got to fight back, and they are.

1244
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 7: Then they're feeling good. I was. I had lunch with

1245
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 7: the I went downstairs and had lunch with him today

1246
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 7: and I saw everybody, and I got a went to

1247
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 7: one of our physios and I had some treatment on

1248
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 7: my on my from my back. They kind of worked

1249
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 7: on me once in a while. And all the guys

1250
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 7: are down there and they all hang out in the

1251
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 7: medical room, and they feel good. They're confident, So I

1252
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 7: think they've I think they're almost like what you said,

1253
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 7: it's almost like a challenge. You know, everyone says, we

1254
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 7: have no chance. Let's go prove we let's go prove

1255
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 7: we can do this, which is which is a great attitude.

1256
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: Good well, good luck to die Auckland f C. I

1257
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: hope from your distance you've been able to see and

1258
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: feel what's unfolded, because what a fantastic story.

1259
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 7: Boy, what a great year we've had. You know, we

1260
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 7: knew we had a very we'd have a very competitive

1261
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 7: team based upon you know, bringing Terry mcflyinn in and

1262
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 7: Steve Courica and then the way they worked with our

1263
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 7: scouts and so on at Bournemouth, and we really we

1264
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 7: really collaborated on putting the team together, especially with the

1265
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 7: with the Visa the Visa players and the Marquee players.

1266
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 7: So we knew we were going to have a very

1267
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 7: competitive team and we overachieved. So I am. I am

1268
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 7: thrilled for Auckland f C. I really am. They've just

1269
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 7: come together and you know, we had a little a

1270
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 7: little kind of lapse, I would say when we started

1271
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 7: tying a bunch of games and in February and March,

1272
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 7: and but we came back and we won some games

1273
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 7: and and one of you know, we got the plate.

1274
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 7: Uh and we we did it with a good number

1275
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 7: of points to spare. But now it starts over, doesn't it.

1276
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 7: Now I'm playing Uh yeah, Melbourne victory away and uh

1277
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 7: then were playing at home week next weekend weekend after this,

1278
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 7: uh and then if we succeed in that in that

1279
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 7: then we're playing Then we're playing at home in the finals,

1280
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 7: which is unbelievable. I'm gonna I'm gonna come down. I'm

1281
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 7: coming down to the game.

1282
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: Is this I mean, this is not your first rodeo,

1283
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: as you say in America. Is how much of this

1284
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: is a model in setting up a business or a

1285
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: sports team or a competition, how much of it's a model.

1286
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 2: How much of it's a.

1287
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 7: Well, it's it's it's art in terms of hiring the

1288
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 7: right really taking the time to hire the right people

1289
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 7: on the business side and the football side. So and

1290
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 7: that's what I sort I really really spent my time

1291
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 7: doing interviewing, talking to people, making sure we were going

1292
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 7: to be a team of character. And you start with

1293
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 7: the with the executives. If they're if they are, if

1294
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 7: they have there's strong characters, then they're going to create

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Speaker 7: a situation where they create character around them. So in

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Speaker 7: that part of it, it's a it's an art. But

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Speaker 7: in terms of a model, you know that I did

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Speaker 7: it with the Golden Knights, and I did exactly that.

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Speaker 7: We became a team of character, and we became a

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Speaker 7: desirable place for people to play and they want to

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Speaker 7: play here. Uh And then we uh uh at AFC Bournemouth.

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Speaker 7: We went in there and we made a number of

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Speaker 7: different changes that they weren't obvious on the surface, but

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Speaker 7: we knew what was going to happen as we made

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Speaker 7: these changes and it's worked out there. And we used

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Speaker 7: the same strategy in in Auckland with if with with

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Speaker 7: Black Knights. So I'd say it's a combination of art in.

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Speaker 2: A model where do you draw the line as the

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Speaker 2: boss or the owner and once you hire the talent,

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Speaker 2: you want what's your line in what you say, do

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Speaker 2: involve yourself in or not.

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Speaker 7: On the business side, I'm really pretty stand office as

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Speaker 7: long as things are going well. I'm really kind of

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Speaker 7: macro in my approach once we have the people hired.

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Speaker 7: On the sports side, I'm very involved. I reviewed with

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Speaker 7: Terry and Steve all the players we're bringing in, why

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Speaker 7: we're bringing them in, what kind of support we had

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Speaker 7: in various positions. And I do the same thing at Bournemouth.

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Speaker 7: You know, we're constantly engaged and looking at looking at

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Speaker 7: players and figuring out our transfer window and who our

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Speaker 7: targets are. And when I was over there in April

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Speaker 7: for about ten days or so, I spent most of

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Speaker 7: and our technical director and some of our scouts and

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Speaker 7: our recruiting people, really looking through all the players we

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Speaker 7: were interested in because we know it born with we're

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Speaker 7: going to lose some players because we've had a pretty

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Speaker 7: good year and there are some targets that people are

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Speaker 7: going to come for. And unfortunately in Premier League, if

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Speaker 7: you're a smaller club, you just accept the fact that

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Speaker 7: you're going to lose some players to bigger clubs, but

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Speaker 7: you've got to be able to restock. And then in Auckland,

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Speaker 7: what we've tried to do is really have to be

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Speaker 7: the best place to play football. And we're lucky because

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Speaker 7: we've got a We're in a terrific city. We don't

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Speaker 7: have a there's competition in down in Wellington, but other

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Speaker 7: than that, you don't have two teams in the city,

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Speaker 7: or our two teams in Sydney, two teams in Melbourne,

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01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 7: another team just outside of town. So we don't have

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Speaker 7: that competition from from a like level professional sports team.

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Speaker 7: And I thought we did a really good job in

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Speaker 7: terms of reaching out to the community and making sure

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Speaker 7: that we talked to all the local football clubs that

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Speaker 7: we we showed them how we were going to help

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Speaker 7: them in terms of training and academy development. So I

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Speaker 7: felt like we used our Vegas model and I transported

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Speaker 7: it to Auckland and it's working.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 7: I'm proud. I'm proud of I'm really proud of what

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Speaker 7: we've done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill, Bill, just hold on. I got to take

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Speaker 2: a break and I'll come back with more of this

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Speaker 2: in just a couple of months. Bill Foley is with

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Speaker 2: us out of Vegas, owner of the Oakland C fourteen

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Speaker 2: past day.

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Speaker 2: Talks a seventeen past night, Bill Foley's guest owner of

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Speaker 2: course of the OAKLANDFC, and we're talking about the hockey

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Speaker 2: as well. Bill, I read some the other day, you

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Speaker 2: want to get into NBA. If that's true. In buying

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Speaker 2: in as opposed to a startup, what do you look for?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so this is if the NBA were to come

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Speaker 7: to Vegas, it's probably going to be an expansion franchise,

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Speaker 7: So it will be it will be a startup. I'm

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Speaker 7: not really interested in being a minority owner of a

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Speaker 7: team that's not based in Las Vegas because I want

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Speaker 7: to be close to where my base is. I don't

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Speaker 7: want to feel obliglary to have to fly to Xyz

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Speaker 7: City to watch games. So we are we're very interested

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Speaker 7: in the NBA coming to Las Vegas. We haven't made

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Speaker 7: any formal approaches to the NBA. We know that they're

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Speaker 7: interested in Las Vegas and they're interested in other cities,

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Speaker 7: and so we're here and we're The NBA knows who

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Speaker 7: we are, and they know that there is a group

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Speaker 7: that's being together to be interested in a franchise, and

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Speaker 7: then we'll be competing with other people in terms of

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Speaker 7: whether we get the franchise or not. We do have

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Speaker 7: the advantage of being part owners of T Mobile Arena

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Speaker 7: and our partners with MGM and AEG and sho'st Entertainment Group.

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Speaker 7: They're great partners, and we would try and get a

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Speaker 7: larger ownership position in T Mobile and then really improve

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Speaker 7: the arena. It would be probably spend three hundred to

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Speaker 7: three hundred and fifty million dollars upgrading the arena to

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Speaker 7: make it a world class best arena, best arena in America.

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Speaker 7: So that's but we haven't made any formal approaches and

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Speaker 7: we don't like to talk too much about the leagues.

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Speaker 7: Don't like people speculating and so on. So we're just

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Speaker 7: being we're being quiet.

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Speaker 2: But I want to get to one business question if

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Speaker 2: I can. But before that, I got to know, if

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Speaker 2: let's assume you win Auckland f C win, they win

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Speaker 2: the lot opening season, fantastic, how do you maintain that

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Speaker 7: We'll maintain it. I'm one hundred percent confident most of

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Speaker 7: our players are going to be repeat, They're going to

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Speaker 7: come back. We have we have targets in mind in

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Speaker 7: terms of other in terms of other players from other

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Speaker 7: some of our some of our marquee players or some

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Speaker 7: of our BESA players. But this will be This will

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Speaker 7: be a winning franchise for for as long as I'm around,

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Speaker 7: we will. You know, my job is is putting the

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Speaker 7: I can't say I can't. I don't want to say

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Speaker 7: that we're going to even win this league because if

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Speaker 7: you think back when we are national our inaugural season

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Speaker 7: with the Vegas Golden Knights, we went all the way

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Speaker 7: four games of Washington Capitals. So I remember that and

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Speaker 7: I'm cognizant of that as we move into this playoff

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Speaker 2: I can guarantee it fantastic, lovely to catch up with you,

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Speaker 2: good luck this weekend, the ensuing weekends, and we'll get

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Speaker 2: you back on again and talk some more sports sometime.

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Speaker 2: Bill Foley, who is the owner of Auckland FC, as

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Speaker 2: an entirely different league, and I don't mean sport. Wow,

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Speaker 2: what a legend of a man. Amazing, could listen to

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Speaker 2: them all day. Inspirational. Get him on again soon we

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Speaker 2: will very likable bloke. While we're on sport. We got

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Speaker 2: some information and this is my ongoing theme of how

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Speaker 2: The Dallas Mavericks, if you look at their jersey or

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Speaker 2: Now Chime is a financial operator that's about to IPO.

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Speaker 2: They paid over the last three years thirty three million.

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Speaker 2: It's just the word chime. It's not the major sponsor.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing but just the word chime. And they paid

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Speaker 2: it over a three year period. So that's how much

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Speaker 2: then I read this morning the other weird thing that's

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Speaker 2: about the gaming, right, So the American football Soccer League

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Speaker 2: is going to stream some games on game consolets for

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Speaker 2: the first time. YouTube an ounce Ober what night that

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Speaker 2: the week one Friday game in the NFL is the

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs and Los Angeles Chargers. They're going to

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Speaker 2: on YouTube for free and its entirety before, so this

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Speaker 2: which is another one of their expansionary markets. So by

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Speaker 2: the time you pay for all your streaming services, then

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Speaker 2: what team you follow. The world is becoming increasingly complex

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Speaker 2: and muddled in simply following a passion of yours by

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Speaker 2: Couple quick things in the mop up of the elections

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Speaker 2: we've been following, or two of them anyway. Australia guy

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Speaker 2: called Dreyfuss or Dreyfuss was dropped unceremoniously. He was the

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Speaker 2: former Attorney General. And it goes back to what we

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 2: were talking with Steve about the other day. That's left

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Speaker 2: right faction within the Labor Party and they do these

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Speaker 2: we need X number of places in the cabinet. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Mark Dreyfuss was dropped, much to his chagrin, so much

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Speaker 2: so that they're now expecting him potentially to quit because

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Speaker 2: he's packed a mass of sad. He's got a seat

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Speaker 2: in southeast Melbourne, so they're already potentially if it doesn't

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Speaker 2: go well, facing the by election. Meantime, in Canada, mister

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Speaker 2: Kearney has gone and presented the world his cabinets, which

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Speaker 2: includes twenty eight ministers and ten secretaries of state. So

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Speaker 2: just think about that. That's thirty eight forget the secretaries

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01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 2: of state, twenty eight ministers. We've got twenty eight ministers,

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01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 2: we got five million people. Have a look at Canada,

1510
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 2: see how many people they've got, and so it just

1511
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 2: shows how overstaffed we are. There's a new foreign Minister

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01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: to handle US Canadian relationships. Here's where it's going to

1513
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: go wrong? Twenty four new faces in the cabinet twenty

1514
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: four So you've only got thirty eight of the thirty eight.

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01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: Twenty four are new, thirteen have never even been an

1516
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: MP before? What could possibly go wrong? Twenty two to nine.

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Speaker 17: International correspondence with Insney Insurance Peace of mind for New

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01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 17: Zealand Business.

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Speaker 20: All right, can we go Rod, morning mate, Good morning

1520
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Speaker 20: to you make.

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Speaker 2: How's key you going on this immigration thing? I asked

1522
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 2: you the other day about the rest home workers and

1523
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 2: all that sort of thing, and I fully understand that

1524
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 2: you're an island nation like us, but you've got to

1525
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 2: shed load of people coming. And is he going to

1526
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 2: win this? Can he win this? Where are wet?

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Speaker 20: It's an odd one to be honest. What is saying

1528
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 20: resonates with the vast majority of the British public, but

1529
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 20: no one trust didn't to do anything about it, you know?

1530
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 20: So that's that the second thing is in us in

1531
01:16:55,240 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 20: that phrase we are an island of strangers. It seemed

1532
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 20: to me to be. He has denied it, of course,

1533
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 20: but he would that. It's a deliberate echo of Enoch

1534
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 20: Powell's nineteen sixty eighth speech where he warned about people

1535
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 20: feeling like strangers in their own country. That's a direct comparison.

1536
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 20: So it is utterly channeling Enoch Powell and that has

1537
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 20: enraged the left, probably enraged members of his cabinet and

1538
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 20: certainly you know, enraged his activist base and also the

1539
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 20: Liberal Democrats in the Greens, because you're not allowed to

1540
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 20: say anything about Ennock Power unless it is an evil racist.

1541
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 20: So whilst what Zakia said undoubtedly at courts, with most

1542
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 20: people's understanding of what it's like to be in this country,

1543
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 20: you know, it may be have been a maladroit thing

1544
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 20: to have done politically. Just to give you a bit

1545
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 20: of context on this, the lost just that I can

1546
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 20: find in Britain who mentioned Enoch Powell in a commendaries

1547
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 20: commending way was a Chapel Nigel hastellone who was the

1548
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 20: prospective MP for the Tories for a Birmingham constituency in

1549
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 20: two thousand and nine, and he said that some of

1550
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 20: his constituents thought that Enoch Power was right. He didn't

1551
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 20: say that enough Power was right. He said some of

1552
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 20: his constituents thought enough Power's right. He was sacked within

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01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 20: the day. Wow, So that's the difference. You know that

1554
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 20: was a tory.

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Speaker 2: Do you delineate still on an ongoing and regular basis

1556
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: between the types of immigration, In other words, the people

1557
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 2: you want in the country to do something helpful versus

1558
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 2: the people who arrive on a boat, or does it

1559
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 2: all just get muddied up. These are people from a

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01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: foreign country and we don't like them.

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Speaker 20: It is a complex situation. To give you just one

1562
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 20: of the figs for context, when in Our Power made

1563
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 20: his statement in nineteen sixty eight, there were a few

1564
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 20: tens of thousands of immigrants in this country, less than

1565
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 20: one percent. It's now eighteen percent and sixty million. So

1566
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 20: you know that's the difference, and that the truth is

1567
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 20: the thing that nobody really talks about terribly much is

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01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 20: an awful one of that immigration has come from the

1569
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 20: Indian subcontinent and particularly Pakistan and Bangladesh, and so we've

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01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 20: imported into the country people who don't necessarily get on

1571
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 20: with our culture, don't necessarily agree with us about stuff,

1572
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 20: and in some cases actually wishes to blow us up.

1573
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 20: So that's that's the hard end of the immigration debate.

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01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 2: So how do we so who's winning politically? Because everyone

1575
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 2: wants to solve the problem from reform across form.

1576
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 20: It's the only party that will benefit from this. Well,

1577
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 20: the Greens and lib Dems may benefit by default by

1578
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 20: the fact that some of the being tent sold labor.

1579
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 20: Voters in the South will sing, that's a terribly awful

1580
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 20: thing to say. I'm voting Green, Lib Dem but no

1581
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 20: reform have this. It's why Sir Piir Stema said it.

1582
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 20: You know, it was to try and shoot reforms Fox.

1583
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 20: But reforms Fox is way ahead of the pack up uprate.

1584
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 2: Well does that mean so the Libor party got the

1585
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 2: power of government so they can allegedly solve the problem

1586
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: reform on the subject. Does that leave the Tory squeezed?

1587
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 20: Yeah, the tourist concretely squeezed. And you say that labor

1588
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 20: has a company, it does, indeed, and they have announced

1589
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 20: a few things that they're going to do, but it

1590
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 20: doesn't even scrape the surface of the of the extra

1591
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 20: numbers who are coming in. So so people will look

1592
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 20: at that and say, but okay, it's no longer nine

1593
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 20: hundred thousand a year, It's only seven hundred and fifty

1594
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 20: thousand a year. You know, this isn't what we voted for.

1595
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 2: Correct I noticed, interestingly enough, there's a couple I don't

1596
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 2: know the names. One of them, I do Circo, but

1597
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: Clear Springs and MEAs these are people who are making

1598
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 2: money over from asylum seekers and the precious and I

1599
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 2: mean the business of hosting asylum seekers and hotels is

1600
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 2: a multi multi, multi million dollar business, isn't.

1601
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 20: It look a massive, massive business? And there have been

1602
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 20: protests outside hotels in this country and the hotel organizations

1603
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 20: which are making enormous amounts of money out of it.

1604
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 20: Because of course, the government doesn't bring up and say

1605
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 20: can we get a cheap room for Tomorry on trip Advisor.

1606
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 20: It's just books at the highest possible price because that's

1607
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 20: the way the civil service works, and it costs more

1608
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 20: and more and more. The labor has vowed to cut

1609
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 20: it back. I can't see anyway that it's doing that

1610
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 20: at the moment. You know, great if he does, but

1611
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 20: let's wait and see.

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01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Mat well go well, have a good week in

1613
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 2: and we'll see on Tuesday, Rod little out of brook.

1614
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 2: And just that reference to the hotels, if you don't

1615
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, all these hotels, it's very like

1616
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 2: COVID in many respects, I suppose, But they've tried to

1617
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 2: clamp down now and you must pay back any profits

1618
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 2: of more than five percent. There's a report that came

1619
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,759
Speaker 2: out last week the three companies the aforementioned made combined

1620
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 2: profits of three hundred days sillits, but seven hundred ish

1621
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 2: million dollars just by hosting asylums. Because meantime, north of

1622
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 2: the border in Scotland, their assisted dying billers passed its

1623
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 2: early days. There's more to go, it'll need to clear

1624
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 2: a couple more phases, but seventy votes to fifty six

1625
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: in favor. Very emotional debate, aren't they always third proposed

1626
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 2: assisted dying law to be voted at Holyrood since twenty ten.

1627
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 2: Two previous ones never even got past stage one, so

1628
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 2: this is I suppose for that camp hopeful they did

1629
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: something similar in England and Wales that passed their stage

1630
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: one in Westminster back in November. So the debate's alive

1631
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: and that part of the world. Eight forty five.

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Speaker 1: The like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard

1633
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: By News talks at be most Unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: I was reading the Sidney Morning Herald yesterday, as I

1635
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: do most days. Are Australia's most read newspaper and I

1636
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 2: saw the headline, No, I don't want emails from the

1637
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 2: world's most boring airport. Thanks, I thought, oh, it's interesting.

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01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 2: It's under their travel section. I wonder what the world's

1639
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 2: most boring airport is. Opening words of the article from

1640
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 2: Ben Groundwater, the travel writer, Auckland Airport so awesome. Auckland

1641
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: Airport would like to know if it can spend or

1642
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 2: send me some updates on its latest developments. Auckland Airport

1643
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 2: would I like to be kept up to date on

1644
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 2: all its exciting news? Why No, Auckland Airport, I would

1645
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: not writees Ben, I could not give the smallest stuff

1646
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 2: about your new duty free offering, or your discounts on parking,

1647
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 2: or whatever it is you consider exciting news. Now I

1648
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 2: read a bit of grip Ben Groundwater. I don't know

1649
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 2: him from a bar of site, but he's a travel

1650
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: writer and he does a lot of traveling, does a

1651
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: lot of reports on traveling. So he had been to

1652
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: a few airports, and what a most unfortunate set of

1653
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 2: circumstances that we apparently have the most boring airport in

1654
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 2: the entire world. What we also have in this world

1655
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 2: is some of the slowest driving. And now this will

1656
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 2: not be used to you because if you're a driver,

1657
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 2: you will know full well that this country is crippled

1658
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: in terms of speed. There's a global study from Money

1659
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 2: Supermarket average driving speeds around the world. They analyze long

1660
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 2: distance and urban driving speeds of one hundred and forty

1661
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: different countries. The average long distance actually I won't tell

1662
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: you US yet. North America first, and second when I

1663
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 2: say North America, the US and Canada. Their average driving

1664
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: speed in the US is one hundred and nine point

1665
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: five kilometers. Now Canada it's one hundred and seven oman

1666
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and four. So you think desert, open spaces, smooth,

1667
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: wide roads, quality roads, etc. Croatia one o two. France,

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01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 2: Now this did surprise me. If you've ever driven around

1669
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 2: the chau Soon Lesse one oh one, so you've obviously

1670
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 2: got a bit of speed out in the countryside. Germany,

1671
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: which you would think would be fast because the auto barns,

1672
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 2: mind you, they limit the auto barns these days. Average

1673
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 2: speed on the auto barns is one fifty. But the

1674
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 2: average speed in Germany is ninety three. Actually it's ninety

1675
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 2: three point nine. It's called it ninety four. Australia comparative

1676
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 2: country surely ninety seven point five. So I'm with that information,

1677
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: you'd be looking at what would you guess us given

1678
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 2: And I've just told you no, we're not going to

1679
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: be similar obbois Leader of the States, but we'd be

1680
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: similar to Australia made whatever up front at ninety seven. Well,

1681
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 2: would you believe we are one hundredth and first in

1682
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 2: the world out of the aforementioned one hundred and forty countries.

1683
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: The average speed in this country is sixty two kilometers

1684
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: an hour, And you wonder why we're not going anywhere?

1685
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 2: Nine away from nine.

1686
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Speaker 1: The mic Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover, the Lla

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Speaker 1: News togs Head be.

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Speaker 2: Mike, I've just been to Heathrow Auckland Airport Superior. I

1689
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 2: don't know what bit of Heathrow you were in. You're

1690
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 2: clearly lost, but Heathrow's world class? Is it to the

1691
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Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth? I think two's Terminal two is Queen Elizabeth.

1692
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 2: That's world class, the one you arrive on, and all

1693
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 2: the flights out of New Zealand you arrive in, whether

1694
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 2: you're flying Singapore or Emirates or whatever, that's a world class.

1695
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 2: That's a superior, that's a new facility. You can get

1696
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: through Heathrow in if you walk fast, if you take

1697
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 2: walking time in because there is a tremendous amount of

1698
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 2: walking to be done. But if you take walking time

1699
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 2: into account plus all the security, I reckon you can

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01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 2: get through in about thirteen minutes. Been to Lax, Mike,

1701
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 2: no I have. I would say Lax is better than

1702
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: Auckland as well.

1703
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 12: Where do you reckon? We come in terms of walking

1704
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 12: speed in the world.

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01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 2: Walking to very slow, very very slow is the quick question.

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01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: I walk on the walk walk elators. So if you

1707
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 2: go to a place like Heathrow and those walkallators go

1708
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: for literally ever, I walk on those two walk even faster.

1709
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 2: But I do worry as I overtake the other people.

1710
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,560
Speaker 2: They think this is why this moves, This is so

1711
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 2: we don't have to walk, which I disagree with.

1712
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 12: That's a common misconception, isn't it?

1713
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more? I feel like doing the next bit

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Speaker 2: of the program now five minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now quit chimis Warehouse, Mayhem, Maga sales.

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Speaker 2: On Now I've been reading this listen bad news.

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Speaker 18: I'm afraid from Diddley squat. It's this this relentless drought.

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Speaker 18: It means we're so busy moving animals mostly that we

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Speaker 18: don't have the time to do all the planned press

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Speaker 18: and pr activity to mark the launch of season four

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Speaker 18: on May twenty third.

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Speaker 2: I think, and that's annoying, is that I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: he's not coming, is what he's saying. He was coming here,

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Speaker 2: and he was coming into this studio and he was

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Speaker 2: going to sit with me for ages because I wasn't

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Speaker 2: going to let him out because I got a lot

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Speaker 2: of questions, and he was going to do it this

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Speaker 2: Monday week, wasn't it. He was going to be this

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Speaker 2: Monday week. So he is not now coming. So I'm

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Speaker 2: disappointed in that when he sees the heat wave there

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Speaker 2: has been, it has been dry, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 2: Very dry March in that particular part of the world,

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Speaker 2: it's twenty three degrees at six o'clock, so you can

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Speaker 2: they're virtually melting. They don't know what to do anyway.

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Speaker 2: There's a betting company called bet Ideas who are currently

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Speaker 2: running a book in that part of the world about

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Speaker 2: top Gear returning in twenty twenty six next year. Clarkson

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Speaker 2: is the best odds to be the host of that

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Speaker 2: returning show. So that's a weird one. And on that note,

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Speaker 2: I did weighe and that is an appropriate word. Weighed

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Speaker 2: my way through the Flintoff documentary, which is on Disney

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Speaker 2: or Apple, I can never remember. It's really it's a

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Speaker 2: thing about Flintoff, who he was, where he came from,

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Speaker 2: his prowess and cricket, the highs, the lows, the drinking,

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Speaker 2: all of that. The accident is it's really his first

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Speaker 2: time back in the world visually physically. He's impaired, I

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Speaker 2: don't think badly given what he'd gone through and what

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Speaker 2: he went through medically speaking is amazing and he's still

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Speaker 2: going through through it. So that parts I found really

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Speaker 2: interesting and how we sort of go through and out

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Speaker 2: the other side. They talk to some reasonably well known

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Speaker 2: people who are his mates. They talked to his family obviously,

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Speaker 2: they talk to his doctors. So it's stuff you've never seen,

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Speaker 2: never heard, So there's real value in that. But you've

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Speaker 2: got to like cricket, and you've got to like flint

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Speaker 2: Off as a cricketer as opposed to Flintoff as a

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Speaker 2: television presenter.

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Speaker 12: But it's probably it's on Disney by the way. It's

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Speaker 12: on Disney, which you can access via Apple if you.

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Speaker 2: Want, which you can do via the net. Back tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: Happy Days.

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