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Speaker 1: News on our belliegued ferry service. Official documents were released

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Speaker 1: yesterday that the canceled deal from December of twenty three

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Speaker 1: should have been renegotiated, perhaps more urgently. What we ended

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Speaker 1: up with was, of course, a new minister and a

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Speaker 1: promise that we're going to have some fine detail on

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Speaker 1: these new ships by the end of this month. The

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Speaker 1: Minister in chargeable of this is of course Winston Peters,

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Speaker 1: who is with us. Very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: If I get time, I wouldn't mind touching on Raratonga

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Speaker 1: and China and those talks of yours. But as far

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Speaker 1: as March is concerned, by the end of March, just

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Speaker 1: to make this nice and clean and clear and quick,

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Speaker 1: by the end of March, you'll be able to tell

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Speaker 1: us basically who's doing it, what it costs, and what

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Speaker 1: we're buying. Is that fair or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, Jenny, seeing it's the three targets, we're going to

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Speaker 2: be able to announce who's in the game, what they're

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Speaker 2: printending for and what the costs will be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and is that a timeline to get us the

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Speaker 1: new ships by the twenty nine target when the other

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Speaker 1: ones fall apart.

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Speaker 2: That's definitely. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is Hyundai if they're in the mix and we

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Speaker 1: can cut a deal with them, does that negate some

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Speaker 1: of the break fee as part of the deal.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's an interesting way you put that question. But

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Speaker 2: when you're in the negotiations like that, that is the

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Speaker 2: deal that they are negotiating. With the exit deal with KiwiRail,

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Speaker 2: I'm starting off something new now. The first part of

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Speaker 2: the exit deal will have to be settled. But are

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Speaker 2: you asking me, is there a consideration for that exit

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Speaker 2: deal in terms of the new deal. I've been promised

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Speaker 2: that yes, So it's helpful. I said, it's appalling what

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Speaker 2: I've had to deal with because we've got people shouting

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Speaker 2: out three hundred million when it's way way less than that.

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Speaker 2: This other aspects sert what chut to do with the fairies,

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Speaker 2: but all too with a shocking decision. We started off

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Speaker 2: in May of twenty twenty, when I was a minister

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Speaker 2: then ordering two ferries for four hundred and one billion.

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Speaker 2: That's way less than half a billion. I come back

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Speaker 2: to find that the heading towards over four billion. Now heaven,

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Speaker 2: we had to stop it.

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Speaker 1: Having read the paperwork between Kiwi Rayle and Grant Robinson

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Speaker 1: as it was at the time. How the government did that?

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Speaker 1: I do and get on top of that was I

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Speaker 1: can't explain it. You will have read the letters. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming ki Roll just keep coming back and going we

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Speaker 1: want more and we won't ask for more. Oh sorry,

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Speaker 1: well we need more, but we won't ask for more.

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Speaker 1: And so went on, how's that happen?

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Speaker 2: Well, it happens when you got people who couldn't run

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Speaker 2: the school. Touchhop, that's that bundles. But we're going in

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Speaker 2: the extreme.

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Speaker 1: Were you cognizant at the time. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: re litigate history, but when Robertson was running the place,

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Speaker 1: were you cognizant? This was going on with This was

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Speaker 1: post post twenty twenty, and you weren't part of it.

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Speaker 2: It was post twenty twenty. I mean I left it

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Speaker 2: was four hundred and one billion, so half one one million, yeah,

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Speaker 2: for two ferries and one million listen that way, listen

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Speaker 2: an half a billion I've come back to find over

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Speaker 2: by Treasury's forecast four billion.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: It was just a lolly scramble with no discipline from

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Speaker 2: the Minister, Finance of five, minister or anyone. And these

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Speaker 2: saying people sit in the house and tell you's there.

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Speaker 2: They couldrun a country. Look, it's as grace of what's

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Speaker 2: happening here, but this is just a repetitive example of

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Speaker 2: what they did over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Do you sit here talking to us this morning bullish

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Speaker 1: that ideal will be reached and a good one that

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Speaker 1: we can all be moderately speaking pleased with.

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Speaker 2: Well, the answer that is, we're going worldwide. We've gone

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Speaker 2: as far as finn in other parts of the world

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Speaker 2: for content, for tenders. We've got some Our entity that

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Speaker 2: was is the world's biggest shipbuilding company. Everybody told me

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Speaker 2: was out back in I've seen them. Cey Parking's are very,

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Speaker 2: very and esteem. It was an excellent conversation and they

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Speaker 2: understand that, you know, sometimes the mistakes are made. But

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Speaker 2: I did have to remind them. You know, in nineteen

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Speaker 2: fifty when they were in dere trouble, we sent our

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Speaker 2: soldiers there. When the Asian financial Christs happened in ninety seven,

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Speaker 2: we were in the one of nine countries underwrote their currency.

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Speaker 2: We've got a reason to be working with them, and

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Speaker 2: they are. They're in the right to shave in mind.

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Speaker 2: I think we can be confident we'll get the sorted

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Speaker 2: out good.

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Speaker 1: As regards to China, and they're allowed to do what

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Speaker 1: they did because no laws were broken. Did they explain

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Speaker 1: to you in a way that you can explain to

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Speaker 1: us what led to that and why suddenly they decided

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Speaker 1: to do life fires without really letting anybody know.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, he didn't explain to me, but I made

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Speaker 2: it very clear that you know, when you've got a

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Speaker 2: relationship of which we claim to be proud, a lack

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Speaker 2: of notice, either from the government or the military is unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: That's not our so called friends should behave. I can

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Speaker 2: say that while we accepted that, and I also said

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Speaker 2: to the peace don't tell me that you're trying to

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Speaker 2: sort out whether the trajectory of the military is different

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Speaker 2: in the Southern hemistry of the Northern hemisphere or was

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Speaker 2: that what they were doing it for? Was there another

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Speaker 2: lesson you're trying to tell us. So we had a

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Speaker 2: very frank discussion.

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Speaker 1: Was the lesson more aimed at Australia than us or not?

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Speaker 2: Ah? Well, you know, when you're dealing with something, if

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Speaker 2: you don't know the ambience and the objective of hates,

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Speaker 2: I think I can interpret it. All I know is

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Speaker 2: this is not but even with the law of the sea,

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Speaker 2: and they're right to do that through the Tasman this

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Speaker 2: sort of thing where aircraft have to be redirected is

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Speaker 2: not amongst insuccessible. That's the point I made to you.

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Speaker 1: Talk to mister Brown posters trip to China.

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Speaker 2: The reality is.

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Speaker 1: No, do you want to should Well?

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Speaker 2: I tell you I've set out very very clearly in

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Speaker 2: correspondence what we abound constitutionally by the two thousand and

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Speaker 2: one agreement of doctor Mowate or the cook Arms and

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Speaker 2: Helen Tuk back then. What we're trying to know. It's difficult,

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Speaker 2: but we've just said out and we're just waiting for

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Speaker 2: an answer.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Helen Clark actually over the weekend said five Eyes

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Speaker 1: has passed. It's used by day and we shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: part of it anymore and it's got mission creep. Is

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Speaker 1: that fair or not?

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Speaker 2: Well? She started off saying that, and the end of

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Speaker 2: the interview she went backwards on that. You know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? I think cassel I said, I don't know why,

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Speaker 2: said many people who have fast politicians feel compelled to

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Speaker 2: talk about circumstances not engaged in at the moment, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say now, but she she ran back on that

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Speaker 2: when it was said to hang on it. Are you

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Speaker 2: telling us that critical information we need to get for security,

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Speaker 2: for drugs and all sorts of things you don't want

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Speaker 2: to know about, And she pulled back on that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you make of what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the world at the moment? I mean, we're stuck in

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Speaker 1: the middle of something here between the Chinese and the

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Speaker 1: US and Orcust and I mean, what do you what

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Speaker 1: do you when when you hear Donald Trump and watch

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Speaker 1: him in the White House and he doesn't know what

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Speaker 1: Orcus is and Miles has handed over eight hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollars in the terriff tray, I mean, God, what a mess.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think this asking it would be wise for me,

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Speaker 2: in the interests of my country, to keep my mouse

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Speaker 2: up and wait until the dust settles.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what about that horse? Have you ridden it?

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Speaker 2: It was freezing and I thought about four off the

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Speaker 2: darn thing. It'll be like a stone. I put him

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Speaker 2: on a concrete Okay, but one of these days I

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Speaker 2: might get a jones.

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Speaker 1: It is a good looking horse.

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Speaker 2: It's this fine special that they have. You got there

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Speaker 2: a different type of horse. That is, they're this horse they're

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Speaker 2: bred for, you know, races of twenty five kilometers. It's

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Speaker 2: quite unique in that context. Wow, it's a fine specimen

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Speaker 2: of that sort of horse. And it was a very

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Speaker 2: well that's quite overtaking by tell it truth?

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Speaker 1: What what are these around in the in the sense

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Speaker 1: you've got to declare it obviously, but I mean did

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Speaker 1: they look after it and feed it and all that sort.

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Speaker 2: Of sun I'm not going to declare it. I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to go down the pathway, the stupid official den

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Speaker 2: where there's no benefit to me at all. But it's

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Speaker 2: the pleasure. And one time I bought a horse and

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Speaker 2: a charity to help a charitable cause. And then they

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Speaker 2: asked me, you've got the said a minute, you've got

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Speaker 2: a file, you've got an interest, and I said, you

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Speaker 2: got a miss. See, I've got a debt. That's what

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Speaker 2: I've got to look after forever.

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Speaker 1: So but I tell you, the horse stays in Mongolia,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, well that's where it will be saying,

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Speaker 2: because that's the idea that they look after the rest

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Speaker 2: of its life and keep it in my put in

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Speaker 2: my president of mind and both. If you're a chance,

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Speaker 2: I'll sit when again, But I don't know. We'll see

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Speaker 2: how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good on. You appreciate it very much, Winston Peters.

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