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Speaker 1: Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio

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Speaker 1: show The DARKI Breakfast podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hope is Real, Bro, That's what I'd like to start

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Speaker 2: the podcast with today. I'd like to I'd like to

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Speaker 2: make a statement. Nobody's ever said this before, but Hope

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Speaker 2: is Real.

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Speaker 3: I would like you to update your Facebook profile picture

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Speaker 3: with Hope is Real. Hope please, Jeremy Wells Hope is

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Speaker 3: Real twenty twenty six. Cony twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Coney, No Coney was Do you remember?

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Speaker 3: Cony twelve, twenty twelve?

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Speaker 2: It rings about Bryan wideland Jeremy Coney twelve.

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Speaker 3: Zoe was four years old and twenty twelve, so she

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Speaker 3: won't remember.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't the stuff where they abducted some people in Nigeria?

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Speaker 4: Was it in I? Okay?

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Speaker 2: And why can I just ask you? You weren't actually

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Speaker 2: you weren't actually four years old in twenty twelve. You

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Speaker 2: know you weren't. You're seven seven or you've ad it?

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Speaker 2: Matt twelve, What are you now? Twenty two minus serves

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Speaker 2: two thousand and four four You're born in two thousand and.

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Speaker 4: Four, five, three thousand and three.

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Speaker 3: It was already like nine, but.

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Speaker 2: Then interestingly, two thousand and three, that's when any media

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Speaker 2: Lunch started.

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Speaker 3: Ah, well, here we are and we'll have to come

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Speaker 3: back to Cony in another time. Blake has written in

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Speaker 3: the Hodaky Breakfast Facebook page the Conclave, can you please

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Speaker 3: do a pod one day on just on email and

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Speaker 3: the genesis of the show, and asked Jerry for us

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Speaker 3: please is it still watched on Is it? I guess

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Speaker 3: I think he's trying to say I still watch it

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Speaker 3: on that YouTube channel froue Eating Media Lunch? So two

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Speaker 3: thousand and three, that started two thousand and three, that

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Speaker 3: seems early.

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Speaker 2: Well it was when Zoe was born.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And to commemorate the birth of Zoe, Zoey.

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Speaker 2: What month and two thousand and three were you born?

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Speaker 2: September December? December December? Okay? So Eating Meat Lunch is

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Speaker 2: older than Zoe and started it started before that, okay,

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Speaker 2: and better, more fondly remembered, certainly more controversial, more broadcasting

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Speaker 2: centers complaints against that show than Zoey.

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Speaker 3: For sure, and be affects that what So the first

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Speaker 3: part of the question is about the genesis of Eating

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Speaker 3: Media Lunch. What was the gis genesis of it?

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Speaker 2: It was started by It started with a with Paul Kessley,

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Speaker 2: who now works on Seven Sharps. Still still working with

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Speaker 2: Paul Kestley.

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Speaker 3: Now, didn't he come up with or Alive?

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Speaker 2: No, that's Dave casse Yes, who's the camera operator. Paul

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Speaker 2: Kesley and I used to work on Havoc, the original

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Speaker 2: Havoc show. That's where I first met him, and he

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Speaker 2: before that used to work on He's Straw People, So

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Speaker 2: he he is one part of the musical duo with

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Speaker 2: Mark Tinny that was Straw People. Sweet Disorder. You'd know

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Speaker 2: it if you heard it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably and uh.

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Speaker 2: Trick with a knife. Lots of big New Zealand huts. Infact,

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Speaker 2: won the Silver Scroll ninety four worth really worth Sweet Disorder.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we got the hook for Sweet Disorder. Rudder.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I don't have the hook. I've got that.

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Speaker 5: Everybody to sleep.

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Speaker 2: Lisa Corbyn my skin, Lisa Coudra.

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Speaker 5: Never believe, and so sat.

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Speaker 2: We've got the chorus. I think the chorus is about that,

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Speaker 2: and I will You won't know it, but you will

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Speaker 2: have heard it in the supermarket. We can't do's the chorus?

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Speaker 2: Come in here? Okay you again, just talk to the world.

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Speaker 2: This is not going to come back pre chorus, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: this song here and I knew of street here we go,

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Speaker 2: we might as well just played for this. And haven't

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Speaker 2: heard this on the supermake know I haven't.

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Speaker 3: Okay interesting, but I guarantee you now I will everywhere

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Speaker 2: I've been in a supermaket with Paul Kesley when it's played,

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Speaker 2: which is quite on you. And so that was that

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Speaker 2: Then he stopped working on the Havoc Show because you

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Speaker 2: try to get him fired. Never, it wouldn't be that stupid.

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Speaker 2: He stag's the coy. No, he I think just got

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Speaker 4: Why did you chant down with Paul?

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Speaker 2: And and then he went away and did some other things.

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Speaker 2: And then I always thought, God be good to do

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Speaker 2: Southern Television, made The Lion Man.

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Speaker 2: Else to broadcast from. Remember that. So yeah, film from

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Speaker 2: a very successful producer, very good at wrangling things, pulling

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Speaker 3: Getting things funded seems to be his very good because

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Speaker 3: Seems to be his magic does.

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Speaker 2: He was really good at writing proposals, which was never

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Speaker 3: and they dismissed them to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So then in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 3: This is like the statue of Mary bleeding.

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Speaker 2: When the keyboard urinates. It's the beginning of the end times.

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Speaker 1: Jerry and Mania joined the complaint the Hadarki Breakfast discussion

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Speaker 1: group on Facebook. For more Jeremy Wells and Mania Stuart

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Speaker 1: find them on Instagram at Hodarki Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: And so then we made the show and it was

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Speaker 2: all of the things that we have had always wanted

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Speaker 3: Anyone who's listened to our radio show would know that

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Speaker 3: more isn't It doesn't mean better. More.

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Speaker 2: More is hard to do.

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Speaker 3: If it was up to us, it'd be one show

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Speaker 3: a week and that one show would be good. But

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Speaker 3: unfortunately we have to do five and they're all shit.

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Speaker 3: But between all of them, there is one good show

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that Eddie mid Lunch was idea hungry and

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Speaker 2: what you'd end up with, twenty two minutes of quite

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Speaker 2: good stuff as opposed to trying to pad out twenty

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, can I patch it to you guys?

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Speaker 3: Someone's going to steal his idea this into a microphone.

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Speaker 2: It's too good.

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Speaker 3: I've already talked to Lee Baker about this. He thinks

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Speaker 3: and it's man. I just go and grab an unhoused

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Speaker 2: I like this. And do you go out to different

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Speaker 3: It takes so many different boxes. Fisies, Bennie Fisheries and

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Speaker 3: Seven thirty right after seven sharp just catch that audience.

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Speaker 3: But you guys like this light entertainment, get ready for

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Speaker 2: Sufficient Yeah, I say you're going to go to New

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Speaker 3: And mango pa as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well like with some funding there got plenty of money,

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Speaker 2: and then I'll do it. Give a little yep.

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Speaker 4: I like this.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it should it's an idea that should should

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Speaker 3: Ask them about issues facing the unhoused community at the moment, Like,

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Speaker 2: You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: The only thing I'd worry about is the creators, obviously

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Speaker 3: I just pitched it to him.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he doesn't want anything to do with it.

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Speaker 4: No skeletons in the closet because obviously if it's a

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Speaker 2: My mild tweets Yeah, year, if something dodgy happens, you

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Speaker 2: there's been relations out in the water matter mergers, then

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Speaker 2: you'll be in trouble. People will be looking to bring

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Speaker 3: They'll be a target on my back. Hey, I'm willing

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Speaker 2: Just careful with the tall poppies.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: There's a great Kiwi clobbering machine that's out there ready

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Speaker 5: Is that?

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 3: What happened to eating media lunch?

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Speaker 2: Great Kiwi clobbering machine came through and clobb Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: what happens. Yeah, it's the way.

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Speaker 3: All right then, Okay, are you happy?

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Speaker 2: Blake? No? Probably?

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