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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four to eleven. Non News Talk said be our

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Speaker 2: Textbert Paul Stenhouse. Is wea US this morning, Paul, crazy

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Speaker 2: old week in your world? Have you tried buying anything

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Speaker 2: on Timu in the last few days? You're based in

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Speaker 2: the US, which means that you still have some significant

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Speaker 2: tariffs against the world's second biggest economy. Yeah, yeah, no

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Speaker 2: I haven't.

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Speaker 3: Ali Barber's Ali Barber expresses probably off limits now tours

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Speaker 3: and that those presses are we skyhig.

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Speaker 2: I mean one hundred and forty five percent is the

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Speaker 2: tariff at the moment, So basically everything wasn't yeah, two

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Speaker 2: and a half times as much as it would have

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Speaker 2: which is yeah, okay, well.

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Speaker 3: One and a half time start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but have you I'm genuinely interested. Have you Have

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Speaker 2: you just gone into Timu or Amazon like, have you

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Speaker 2: noticed any difference in terms of prices yet? No?

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Speaker 3: But you do hear stories of I mean one of

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Speaker 3: the big ones over here is cars, because you know

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Speaker 3: themarding of cars are going to be heavily tariff was

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Speaker 3: on the very first tariffs to be announced, and the

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Speaker 3: weekend that they announced it. Apparently there were just like

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Speaker 3: lines lines around the block at cars dealerships because people

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Speaker 3: want to try to get in beforehand. There are people

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Speaker 3: talking about like, oh maybe I should drive and buy

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Speaker 3: like the new iPhone. Then you make some of the

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Speaker 3: technology stuff maybe before you start to see some of

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Speaker 3: these tariffs, because obviously the goods that are already here

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Speaker 3: are okay, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, I've heard this crazy this crazy story. So Apple

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Speaker 2: is one of the in terms of the tech companies

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Speaker 2: that will be hit the most because it's all about

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Speaker 2: goods rather than services, right, So it's like physical things.

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Speaker 2: And so Apple does a lot of its manufacturing in China.

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Speaker 2: Although it's tried to move things to other countries lately,

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Speaker 2: including the UNS, it still does a lot of China.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 2: So apparently they tried to They had cargo planes that

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Speaker 2: they were like stuffing full of iPhones and iPads and

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Speaker 2: VR headsets, hoping that they might be able to get

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Speaker 2: those to the US before the tariffs come to effect.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, six hundred tons of iPhones apparently tried to come

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Speaker 3: into the US that way. But can you imagine being

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Speaker 3: the person Apple, It's like, hey, Tim, Yeah, mister Apple,

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Speaker 3: I have a really good idea. We're gonna need planes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's actually probably the beginning of a really good film.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time to be Alive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Someone someone said it was like the it's like those

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Speaker 2: you know, it's like seeing the Americans fleeing Vietnam. You

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Speaker 2: know that the last chopper is out of Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of kind of like that. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: obviously going to be a crazy time to watch all

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Speaker 2: of that. And I reckon Apple. I know we've said

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Speaker 2: this already. My take is that I reckon We've got

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Speaker 2: to keep on watching Apple because Apple has been the

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Speaker 2: big player for so long now, it kind of since

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Speaker 2: the since the advent of the smartphone, Apple has dominated

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Speaker 2: the kind of tech world, and I just reckon they're

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Speaker 2: under pressure on all sorts of fronts at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Not only is their tech maybe not as good as

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Speaker 2: it was competed to its competitives, but now they've got

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Speaker 2: the tariffs to deal with as well. So yeah, under

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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure at the moment. Anyway, WhatsApp has

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Speaker 2: some big changes coming, and WhatsApp is increasingly becoming the

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Speaker 2: app that I think many of us use, if not

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Speaker 2: as our kind of primary form of communication, certainly right

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Speaker 2: up there as our number one messaging app. And there

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Speaker 2: are all sorts of changes coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's funny because the messaging is one of

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Speaker 3: the things that actually keeps Apple like people sticky to

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Speaker 3: Apple right, They've got their I message groups, they like

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Speaker 3: seeing the blue bubble. It's one of the things that

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Speaker 3: the European Commission has been really fixated on trying to

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Speaker 3: get Android and iPhones to talk better. And WhatsApp is

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Speaker 3: one of those apps that really does bridge the gap.

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Speaker 3: And now it's getting more into the encryption game, and

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Speaker 3: it's now really trying to become I think it wants

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Speaker 3: to be almost Jack like, more than just a one

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Speaker 3: on one or like family group chat type thing. I

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Speaker 3: think it really wants to be starting to go after

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Speaker 3: the likes of the Slacks and the Discords because all

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Speaker 3: of these new feeds that are coming to WhatsApp are

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Speaker 3: really about groups. It's going to show you now how

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Speaker 3: many people are online and your group. It's going to

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Speaker 3: make it easier to react to messages with emoji and

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Speaker 3: if someone's already you know, added one, you can just

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Speaker 3: click and add another one like you do on teams

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Speaker 3: and like you do on slack. Right, there's going to

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Speaker 3: be more controls for notifications. Do you blast it out

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Speaker 3: to the whole group, just mention certain people. And then

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Speaker 3: they're starting to build features too, like things like events

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Speaker 3: you can send out RSVPs. Now you can respond with maybe.

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Speaker 3: Now you can add plus ones. So it's really trying

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Speaker 3: to move away from just being that hey, mum, got

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Speaker 3: a picture for you app and actually do more. They're

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Speaker 3: spending the big updates that they've invested in high quality

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Speaker 3: video calls. You can you'll be able to pinch to

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Speaker 3: zoom if you're on your mobile phone, just a little

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Speaker 3: like that, where they're really trying to make it, you know,

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Speaker 3: just a better experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it'd be like welcome Murrikan. Some of those changes.

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Speaker 2: I mean I already find once really intuitive. Hey, Shopify

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Speaker 2: is now forcing employees to justify why AI can't do

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Speaker 2: the job they want to hire, which is fascinating because

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Speaker 2: this is the same company that did the whole deleting

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Speaker 2: of every recurring meeting A.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. So I think this is probably the

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Speaker 3: first time we've seen one of the headlines where AI

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Speaker 3: is actually starting to replace people. You know, we've had

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Speaker 3: mentions of it. When it was the Hollywood Writers' strike,

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Speaker 3: it was oh one a of the AI's coming to

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Speaker 3: the writer's room. But the CEO of Shopify has actually

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Speaker 3: come out and sent a letter to all of his employees,

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Speaker 3: and first of all, it says, you're going to start

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Speaker 3: using AI in your daily work. It just like point blank,

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Speaker 3: you have to. He wants them to be more efficient.

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Speaker 3: He believes AI is going to help it do that.

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Speaker 3: And he said, I have to read this because if

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Speaker 3: you're a parent, I feel like your kids need to

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Speaker 3: be thinking about how to incorporate AI into their life,

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Speaker 3: right Because he says, frankly, I don't think it's feasible

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Speaker 3: to opt out of learning the skill of AI and

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Speaker 3: applying it to your craft. You are welcome to try,

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Speaker 3: but I want to be honest, I cannot see this

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Speaker 3: working out today, indefinitely, not tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of pointed, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: So not only are they saying you've got to use

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Speaker 3: it every day, they're baking into their performance reviews, so

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Speaker 3: you'll be now assessed based on how much you're using AI.

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Speaker 3: And then they're going the absolute next step further, which

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Speaker 3: is instead of just writing a job description, before you

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Speaker 3: do that, you have to prove why the things in

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Speaker 3: the job description are not going to be able to

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Speaker 3: be done by the AI. So that's a massive change.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the first time we've really seen it

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Speaker 3: framed like that where it actually is starting to replace

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Speaker 3: people in companies more so than just being kind of

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Speaker 3: like a fun toy on the side or a helpful

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Speaker 3: tool or a thoughts starter or a document summarizer. It's okay, no,

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Speaker 3: it's actually going to apparently now start really doing things.

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Speaker 2: Have you personally noticed like a big step up in

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Speaker 2: the aid of capability of the likes of chance Because

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I've like, in the

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Speaker 2: the most recent models that they've released like bare getting

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Speaker 2: very impressive. It's certain tasks, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so the one so I use a lot

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Speaker 3: of AI in coding, so in my company, And the

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Speaker 3: thing that I've noticed is that when I sort of

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Speaker 3: started babbling with it maybe a year ago, the accuracy

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Speaker 3: was terrible, and then about six months ago it started

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Speaker 3: to actually be able to do some things relatively autonomously

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Speaker 3: and not mess it up too badly. Now I've just

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Speaker 3: started switching over to the new Google Large Language model,

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Speaker 3: and it's incredible. And that's the kind of benchmark I've

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Speaker 3: been seeing and using is how well can it code?

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Speaker 3: And code's good to benchmark on because it's very well

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Speaker 3: documented and you can see if it actually works. But no,

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Speaker 3: you're right, it is getting increasingly good, smarter. I think

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out that. Yeah, it's getting smarter,

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Speaker 3: it's making less errors, it's doing things now like citing,

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Speaker 3: it's work. It's maybe hallucinating a little bit less. But

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Speaker 3: I'm scared excited to see where it goes in the

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Speaker 3: next year because it is. You can if you're a

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Speaker 3: daily user, you do notice it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Thanks Paul, take care, catch you soon. Jack.

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Speaker 2: I shopped on Timu last night. There were no big increases,

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Speaker 2: in fact, a big discount. Yeah, but there's because you're

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. We don't we don't have tariffs. Try

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Speaker 2: it from America. We've got one hundred and forty five

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Speaker 2: percent tariff right now. Nineteen ninety two is our text

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