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Speaker 1: With me right now. We've got politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: Jenny Anderson, hire you too, Jenny Listener. You're going to

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Speaker 1: be submitting on the post? Do you want the letter box?

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Speaker 1: Do you want the letters to arrive in your letterbox?

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Speaker 2: Submitting on the post? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Post wants to take the letters out of

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Speaker 1: the letter box five percent of us at a time,

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Speaker 1: every single year, and then make us go down the

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Speaker 1: road and get it from a cluster letterbox.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's not ideal, is that when a mail was really

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Speaker 3: important partecularly to see your New Zealanders.

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Speaker 2: I hear that a lot as a local MP.

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Speaker 3: And so it's one of the big challenges with people

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Speaker 3: moving away from sending letters is that people are still

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Speaker 3: around who want them.

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Speaker 1: I'm into it, Mitch, I reckon, I can find better

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Speaker 1: things to do with the millions of dollars that we

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Speaker 1: spend on the post is every year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the think the way we receive our

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Speaker 4: information get our information out is changing. Without a doubt,

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Speaker 4: that's been happeny now for ten to fifteen years. I look,

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Speaker 4: I've had a PO box most of my life. Just

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Speaker 4: the way it's been so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically like that's basically going back to the

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Speaker 1: old days. Now, Mitch, I need to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about this business. But the boy racer broken promise? What's

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Speaker 1: going on here? Why couldn't you get the legislation in

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Speaker 1: this year?

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Speaker 4: So look, there's the ledgers a bit more complex that

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Speaker 4: I thought. I just want to start taking these boy

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Speaker 4: racers cars and bites and start crushing them.

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Speaker 1: What's complex about that?

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Speaker 2: Well, then I thought Judith did that? Did not do that?

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Speaker 4: Well? Well, Judith had outstanding legislation, but it required three warnings,

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Speaker 4: and I'm taking the three warnings away. We're just going

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Speaker 4: to start taking them. So the along the short of

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Speaker 4: it is, there's a bit more complexity in there. But

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Speaker 4: the good news is it's on the front of the

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Speaker 4: queue for next year.

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Speaker 1: Okay? Is that okay with you? Ginny? Can we wait

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Speaker 1: for a little bit longer. I mean, it's not like

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Speaker 1: anything's going to happen over some anyway, is it.

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Speaker 3: Well he did say he'd also get five hundred police

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Speaker 3: officers by the end of November, and then the commissioners,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's not you say that, and then and

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Speaker 3: so and but then he's trying to guess everyone by.

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Speaker 2: Saying oh, no, no, no, we're all the same page.

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Speaker 3: So I wonder whether he's going to do the same

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Speaker 3: thing with the boy racers. You know, it does seem

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Speaker 3: like a bird of a pattern with Matt big stuff

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Speaker 3: and doesn't mean it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I can, I can tell you this much inherited

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Speaker 4: shambles where crime was heading in the wrong direction. We've

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Speaker 4: got more police down on the beat, all from CBD's

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Speaker 4: a lot safer. Gangled is proving to be very effective

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Speaker 4: on getting top on top of the group.

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Speaker 2: That I've got it reciting these lines, I've got to

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Speaker 2: give them. You're really good at giving out, you know,

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Speaker 2: you do them again and again like a little butter Well.

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Speaker 4: Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, You and Chris Hipkins wandered around with

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Speaker 4: confused folk. It looks on your face.

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Speaker 2: Here to say that is today too. That's another one

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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 4: Well that well, that that's the reality of it. I

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Speaker 4: don't know why is policeman, so you went up dealing

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Speaker 4: with your CBD. I don't know why you went over

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Speaker 4: in a pokey dealing with all the gang harm over.

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Speaker 2: Well, you'd be surprised. So you make stuff up, But

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Speaker 2: I wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Jy that's the whole problem. And that's why the good

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Speaker 4: news is Keywis are starting to feel safer. We've got

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Speaker 4: a lot more work to do. We know that when

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Speaker 4: here it had a miss, but we're making some good

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Speaker 2: Here that I just want to here.

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Speaker 3: There's been that One News poll out again around about

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Speaker 3: seventy percent of New Zealanders either.

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Speaker 2: Don't feel safer or no different. So I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: how much.

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Speaker 1: That I didn't understand that because I know literally nobody

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Speaker 1: who doesn't like what they're seeing with the policing. How

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Speaker 1: do we explain this, Jenny.

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Speaker 3: Well, you'd have to ask all those New Zealanders who

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Speaker 3: were interviewed by TV one seventy percent say no difference

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Speaker 4: Well, that's that's that's actually not true. And the problem

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Speaker 4: with Jenny, with your numbers is you can never trust

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Speaker 4: it's exactly true.

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Speaker 2: Six up the two lots and is that two lots

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Speaker 2: edited together? Who no difference? You can go back and

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Speaker 2: check them out.

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Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is this, Jinny, is that

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Speaker 4: one US polled earlier in the year and they pulled

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Speaker 4: again a couple of days ago, and there is a

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Speaker 4: definite trend of people in this country starting to feel safer.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, Leeole, can.

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Speaker 1: I just say that poll though, Jenny, I reckon the

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Speaker 1: answer actually lies in the question. And I remember thinking

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Speaker 1: this at the time, because the question was do New

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Speaker 1: Zealanders feel safer under the Coalition's law and order policies?

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Speaker 1: And and if you ask me that question without specifying

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Speaker 1: which policies you're talking about, I reckon I would scratch

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Speaker 1: my brain. Also, I think it was too vague. I

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Speaker 1: think if they were like, do you feel safer with

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Speaker 1: the crackdown on gangs? I'll be like, yep, do you

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Speaker 1: feel safer with more cops on the beat? Yep. It

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Speaker 1: was just it was a badly worded question, I think,

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Speaker 1: which that's the sick goal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which sometimes sometimes those polls the way they

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Speaker 3: worded it as difficult.

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Speaker 2: And I acknowledge that.

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Speaker 1: It brings us to the Treaty principles one which I'll

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Speaker 1: have to talk about later. But Mitch tell me quickly, Hey,

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Speaker 1: can we just settle this thing for me? When are

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Speaker 1: we getting the five hundred cops? Are we getting them?

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Speaker 1: On the twenty seventh of November twenty target.

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Speaker 4: The target has always been as part of the cold

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Speaker 4: that we are driving towards November twenty seven. We know

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Speaker 4: that it is ambitious, and we know that we got.

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Speaker 1: Some are we giving them all by November twenty four, So.

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Speaker 4: That is what we're working towards.

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Speaker 3: But here the point is that right he's we know

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Speaker 3: he's not going to get there. The police have seed there,

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Speaker 3: but they have to say this because of the coalition deal.

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Speaker 3: But it's just going to be problematic is we get

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Speaker 3: harder for Mark. So he's just up now and say look,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to do it.

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Speaker 1: Once over to Winnie's office and so when he can't,

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Speaker 1: I just tell the truth.

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Speaker 4: Please give me permission, trust me, Ginny, things been hard.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't bother me at all. We're going to that is

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Speaker 4: that we strive and we will on that number.

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Speaker 1: Ginny, did you did you see Debbie's maths on the CGT.

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Speaker 2: I did I did you like it? I think they

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Speaker 2: could numbers could be a bit out.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a little like maybe twenty times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem like a lot, and that's not

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Speaker 3: what their text working group got. And yeah, so it

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Speaker 1: You feel about I mean, because the thing is the

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Speaker 1: other day Chippy ruled out essentially working with Winston again.

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Speaker 1: That leaves you the Greens and the Maori Party to

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Speaker 1: form government with. I mean, this is not good for

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Speaker 1: your your economic credibility on either of those fronts, is it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a long way to go before then, and

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Speaker 3: we'll be doing in between maths, we're doing work also

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Speaker 3: on what to what the text it will be workable

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Speaker 3: to get us out of this situation where you've got

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Speaker 3: a lot of people getting older with not enough text.

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Speaker 1: I don't We've got work to I mean, nobody surprised,

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Speaker 1: are they by Debbie's meths?

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe they'll make as part of the Green coalition,

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Speaker 4: they might make Debbie finance spokes.

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Speaker 2: Can ever imagine this? Imagine this?

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Speaker 3: Imagine if we had a gun lobbyist in our party

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Speaker 3: and we made them the minister in charge of rewriting

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Speaker 3: the firearms.

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Speaker 2: That would be crazy. Oh wait, wait did that they

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Speaker 2: did it? Didn't?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm less I'm least scared of a

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Speaker 1: gun lobbyist running guns than I am a Debbie running

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Speaker 1: the book.

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Speaker 4: Jenny's criticizing someone that that worked across government and actually

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Speaker 4: making the country safer motivated doing that. But yeah, you remark,

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Speaker 4: I would support I would support Debbie as the finite

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Speaker 4: spokesperson for the greend Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Mitch, give me give me your lines on the fairies.

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Speaker 1: What do we hearing today?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's the announcement is today? So obviously,

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Speaker 4: obviously there is an announcement today.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they've got key lines on that one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so much so, Mitch, do you know that we're

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Speaker 1: getting two medium sized fairies for more than we would

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Speaker 4: I can't get ahead of the announcement that the fact

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Speaker 4: of the matter is that there will be an announcement,

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Speaker 4: but it mon't be me making it, obviously, Nicola and

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Speaker 4: and I can't get ahead of that.

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Speaker 1: Are we pay Are we paying more for the two

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Speaker 1: Toyota corollas than we would have for the two ferraris?

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Speaker 4: So again, I know as much as I'd like to

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Speaker 1: That, okay, And and we've got as far as it possibly

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Speaker 1: could with that one, I think, Jimmy. Anyway, what do

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Speaker 1: you guys know, Jenny, because you know more.

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Speaker 3: Well, the break fee is meant to be three hundred million,

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Speaker 3: and that's not the end of it. So that's the

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Speaker 3: concern for us. That will end ups still in negotiations

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Speaker 3: with Korea for this IRX deal, and that's going to

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Speaker 3: keep goinging up because they've got out of a contract

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Speaker 3: that was already in place, and that's going to cost

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Speaker 3: KeyWe's for nothing.

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Speaker 1: But so okay, so hold on, So Ginny, are you

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Speaker 1: hearing that the three hundred million break fee is just

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Speaker 1: the start of the break fee and there's more more

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Speaker 3: We've heard that that's money set aside for that, but

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Speaker 3: we don't know what came dividence.

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Speaker 1: So then I've got three hundred million for the break

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Speaker 1: fe I've got nine hundred million for the fairies, so

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Speaker 1: that takes us to one point two and then we

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Speaker 1: need to pay for the port infrastructure and how much

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Speaker 1: is that going to be?

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Speaker 3: That's that's that was the bit that was huge and

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Speaker 3: So that's the problem we have with these furies is

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Speaker 3: that they might not work for that infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: So that's unknown as well.

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Speaker 4: Now well that the labor, like usual on any of

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Speaker 4: the AP projects, take their eye off the ball. They

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Speaker 4: don't monifor they mess upon all the way through the country.

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Speaker 4: The country couldn't afford it, and initials bring some discipline.

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Speaker 2: Plan I reckon, plan trouble.

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Speaker 1: I reckon, you might be in trouble on this one

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Speaker 1: because I don't know that the smartest this didn't play

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Speaker 1: out the smartest way. I mean, did we consider taking

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Speaker 1: the ferraris and then selling them to somebody else who

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Speaker 1: Isn't having money left over?

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Speaker 4: Look, we would have the best decisions we made for

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Speaker 4: us as a country in terms of what we is

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Speaker 4: fiscally responsible and what we can afford, and we'll deliver

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Speaker 4: an outstanding service that will be appropriate for us as

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Speaker 4: a country. We're five and a half million people, and

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Speaker 4: as much as we'd like to build out massively expensive

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Speaker 4: infrastructure like countries with much bigger populations, do we have

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Speaker 4: to write size it for us?

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Speaker 1: All right? Jinny, listen, have you talked to Peeney about

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Speaker 1: being sent down to the Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 2: I have not talked to him yet.

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Speaker 1: No, does he look happy. I think he'll probably be happy,

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Speaker 1: won't he look?

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Speaker 3: I didn't think he looked very happy, But you'd have

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Speaker 3: to ask him how he felt about that, because.

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Speaker 1: I thought I felt sorry for him because it looked

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Speaker 1: like the Maori Party. We're going to get in trouble

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Speaker 1: for the hacker, but not him, and I know he's

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Speaker 1: desperate to be part of that gang.

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Speaker 3: Well, I do know that when things are before the

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Speaker 3: Privileges Committee, you have to be very careful because this

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Speaker 3: speak he gets very grumpy Worth MPs who talk about

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Speaker 3: both issues. So I'd have to be very good and say,

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Speaker 3: let's wait and see what the privilege is.

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Speaker 1: So the correct line is not happy about being in

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Speaker 1: front of the Privileges committee. All right, Hey, guys, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, thank you, thank you. I really appreciate it.

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