1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Barry so Per, senior political correspondence with US. 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 2: Now, Hey Barry, good afternoon, Heather. 3 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Right, So what do you make of the ksuffle around 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Mike King's comment. 5 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Well, look, I heard Mike on with you yesterday and 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: it did surprise me when he started talking about alcohol. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: But what he seemed to be saying, in my view 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: I had to listen back to it is that alcohol 9 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: delays or prevents the suicide trigger, and it pacifies the 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: drinker until other mental health leavers can be pulled. That's 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: what he seemed to be saying, and he had done 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: it himself. I mean, he's an alcoholic and you know 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: he was suicidal at times in his life and alcohol 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: helped him through those periods. So I know it's not 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: conventional wisdom. If you look at the University of Otago 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: professor Rose Crossing, she said, there is certainly a link 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: between alcohol and depression. I don't think anybody would argue 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: with that. But it's the trigger for suicide that Mike 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: King was talking about. And I must say, you know, 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: I know Mike King reasonably well, and he is outspoken, 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: he sees what he thinks, and at times probably he 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: does step over the mark. But for the Labor Party 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: and Ingrid Leary. I'm surprised she's not coming on because 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: she used to be a broadcaster, so she's. 25 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: This is what we just got this news through from 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: from Laura, the producer who just said that the Labor 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: Party and Ingrid Lary have declined to come on the show. 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Did they say, why Laura is she not available? 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: Well? No, they're so busy in recess here that d 30 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: is very busy, don't you know. 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't quite know what she's busy with, but it's something. 32 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: But come on, Ingrid, I mean, how can you put 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: out a press release, How can you put out a 34 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: press release, whether you're right or wrong, calling for funding 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: to be pulled from an organization that actually does help 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: kids with mental health issues? Is because you're angry at 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: the guy who's made a comment and then not so. 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: You put that out there for everybody. But then you 39 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: don't want to come on and defend. 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: You know, the argument is, she said, can I ever 41 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: say it? She said, sorry to continue to fund gun 42 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: Boot Friday sends a message to young people that alcohol 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: use is a recognized treatment for mental health issues. Well, 44 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 2: to me, she's got it totally wrong. Because that's not 45 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: what he's saying. And if she believes that, then she 46 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: should come on the progress to explain hers that. 47 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: She is an idiot. Clear she's an idiot because saying 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: stuff like this. 49 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: So what the message is she sending younger people is 50 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: that absolutely she's going to pull all assistance for them 51 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: through this particular charity because she's going to punish the 52 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: guy who's running the thing. 53 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: And the point is about the funding. It's twenty four 54 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: million dollars and I know he struggled off the Labor 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: Party and the government to get money. The twenty four 56 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: million isn't a one lump sum payment. It's over four years, 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: six million dollars a year. It doesn't go into Mike 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: King's account and the gun Boot Friday account. It actually 59 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: goes into the Ministry of Health account and then they 60 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 2: after they've used counseling services for the young people, then 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: they apply to the Minstery of Health. 62 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm just going to take a issue with something that 63 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: you said. 64 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: Though. 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: While Mike King did speak about his own personal experience 66 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 3: and I don't think we can argue with him on that, 67 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: he did actually say alcohol is not a problem for 68 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 3: people with mental health it's the solution. 69 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: And that is a factually incorrect. 70 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: Well, I think is participately. Just know I heard that 71 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: he probably overstepped the marp here because, like you and 72 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: like me on radio sometimes either he gets quite excitable. 73 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: Fair enough, listen, Jenny Anderson. 74 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: So she finally fronted up and apologized for talking about 75 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: the King's bits. 76 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: She sorry enough for you. 77 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: Well, I find an extraordinary if you look at the 78 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: meme that she reposted on her Instagram account, there were 79 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: four lines to it, and she said she hadn't taken 80 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: time to read it properly or read it for goodness sake. 81 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: She's either a very slow reader or she doesn't understand 82 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: what it meant. I think that's probably closer to the truth. 83 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: But look, it's an embarrassment for. 84 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: Her, Barry. 85 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: You'd have to be particularly dim not to understand what 86 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: that meant. 87 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, pretty clear what it meant. 88 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely in hither there's a new word in the vocabulary 89 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: for you. It's it's a portmanteau. Yes, yes, and that's 90 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: sort of a new word for you, Barry. Well, yes, no, 91 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: I open, yeah, yeah, I had to look it up. 92 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: But look, what is it about the Labor Party and pants. 93 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: You remember, back in two thousand and two, poor old 94 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: Helen Clark got taken taken to the cleaners, if you like, 95 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: for wearing trousers at a state banquet for the Queen. 96 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: This is twenty two years ago, and all hell had 97 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: broke on this. And she also sat down before the 98 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: Queen at the State Bank. When I was there, I 99 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: didn't notice anything was terribly out of order, but it 100 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: blew up in her face that she had disrespected loyalty. 101 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: Apparently that meant to taste the soup first. Well, that's uh. 102 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: The food tastes is no doubt, tastes the soup before 103 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: it even leans to the table. 104 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: There's a tiny part of me that loves the Labour 105 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: Party's irreverence when it comes to the Royals. Thanks, Barry, appreciated. 106 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent. 107 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 108 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 3: news Talks. 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