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Speaker 1: You're trusted home for news, sport, entertainment, opinion and Mike

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Speaker 1: the Mic Asking, Breakfast with the Defender, Embrace the Impossible,

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Speaker 2: Be Morning and welcome. We'll hold your house horses first

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Speaker 2: readjustment of house Priss expectations for the year. Judith Collins

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Speaker 2: works us through the highs and the Low's New data

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Speaker 2: shows just what an abject failure fees Free was. Brad

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Speaker 2: Thorne Crusaders, All Blacks, Broncos. How champions do extra? I

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Speaker 2: think you like that after rights Joe Myckenner and Italy

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Speaker 2: Rod a little in Britain, Posky, Welcome to the day,

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Speaker 2: seven past six, A little bit of rubber hitting the road.

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Speaker 2: Research on unsold real estate for you This morning. A

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Speaker 2: real estate consultancy company looked at the amount of unsold

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Speaker 2: stock when it came to apartments in Auckland. There are

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Speaker 2: a record number five hundred and forty one, to be precise,

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Speaker 2: which is twenty percent of everything that has been built

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Speaker 2: in the past three years.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I love apartments. I live in one, I own them,

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Speaker 2: I've owned them over the years. They are not everyone's

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Speaker 2: cup of tea, of course, but what I've learned over

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Speaker 2: the years. Like most things in life, there is always

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Speaker 2: nuance to the story. I bet you anything you want

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Speaker 2: that the ones that aren't sold aren't for very good

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Speaker 2: reason their crap. An apartment is no different to a house.

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Speaker 2: A good one will always sell good market or bad.

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Speaker 2: A bad one won't. The trouble with research and stats,

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Speaker 2: as they deal with averages, they round things out. The

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Speaker 2: apartment market sadly has been driven in some respects by ideology.

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Speaker 2: The apartment you would be part of is part of

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Speaker 2: the new groovy Auckland where you stepped out of your

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Speaker 2: trendy town pad onto your public transport before taking your

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Speaker 2: lime scooter the final mile to the office. Now, apart

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Speaker 2: from the fact there is no public transport in a

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Speaker 2: way that any first world city would expect, and because

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Speaker 2: the cost of building went through the roof, your apartment,

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Speaker 2: which of course was supposed to be affordable, isn't well

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Speaker 2: unless you want to live in eighty square meters, which

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Speaker 2: very few do. You will not have a car because

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Speaker 2: cars are bad, except you like your car, but you've

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Speaker 2: got nowhere to put it. And that's before we get

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Speaker 2: to the quality of the build. Unbelievably, we are still

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Speaker 2: dealing with leaky building, almost as though we are determined

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Speaker 2: not to learn a lesson. Mix In the mad Rush,

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Speaker 2: we saw for consents build a lot of stuff no

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Speaker 2: and wants. In three years down the track, all the

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Speaker 2: good stock got snapped up, and what's left is five

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty one boxers that might, if you're lucky,

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Speaker 2: make a passable rental. The listen is to do things properly.

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Speaker 2: Give people what they want, not what you want them

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Speaker 2: to have. Location, size, quality, Get that right, and it's

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Speaker 2: hard to go wrong.

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Speaker 4: Used of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Could it be because Minnesota's turned to you know what?

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Speaker 2: But Trump this morning's decided yet again to rethreaten around.

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Speaker 5: A massive armada is heading to a ram.

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Speaker 6: Like with Venezuela, it is ready willing and able to

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Speaker 6: rapidly fulfill its mission with speed and violence if necessary.

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Speaker 2: Will your marda help is on its way? Times running out?

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Speaker 2: Yad yeah, yeada. Anyway, Some people worry about the fallout.

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Speaker 7: If there is any US strike, it will be considered

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Speaker 7: all out war. This could get very messy. There are

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Speaker 7: also reports that the Chinese have been supplying new air

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Speaker 7: defense systems in recent days, which would also make it

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Speaker 7: more difficult.

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Speaker 2: Yes, related matters. Last time America got involved in foreign

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Speaker 2: land as they named the leader so little Marcos in

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Speaker 2: front of the Foreign Relations Committee to explain Maduro trouble was,

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Speaker 2: there were rude people there.

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Speaker 8: I'm just going to talk to you guys for a

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Speaker 8: few minutes and all right, here we go, sus been

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Speaker 8: you know, the drill off to jail war.

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Speaker 9: That's a one year ban from the committee.

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Speaker 2: Once they got sorted the floor was Marcos.

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Speaker 8: For Iran, their primary spot of operation in the Western

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Speaker 8: Hemisphere was Venezuela. For Russia, their primary base of operation

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Speaker 8: in the Western Hemisphere, along Cuba and Nicaragua, was Venezuela.

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Speaker 8: China was receiving oil at a huge back twenty dollars

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also on the world stage this morning, Sakia, speaking

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Speaker 2: of which he's landed for three days in China.

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Speaker 10: We will have to manage our differences.

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Speaker 4: But that's what you do.

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Speaker 10: With a mature, consistent, comprehensive and strategic approach to China.

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Speaker 10: We manage our differences, We take our opportunities, and we

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Speaker 10: constantly think how does this deliver for people back at home?

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Speaker 2: And speaking back at home are they held a service

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Speaker 2: over a night Paul's where they confirmed the one hundred

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Speaker 2: and sixth person to head the CV. See if you

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Speaker 2: can spot the history.

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Speaker 6: And what I hope to do is to be able

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Speaker 6: to provide a space where where we can I can

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Speaker 6: offer hospitality to people, where I can listen to what

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Speaker 6: their concerns concerns are.

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Speaker 2: Finally, video you need to watch today Jude Owens. He's

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Speaker 2: from Manchester. He's got himself two Guinness Books, two Guinness

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Speaker 2: World records. One for being the youngest person to make

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Speaker 2: a snooker double pot. Now that's where you pot two

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Speaker 2: balls in separate pockets off one shot. He did that

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Speaker 2: when he was two years, two hundred and sixty one

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Speaker 2: days old, and then forty days later. Second record for

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Speaker 2: a pull bank shot, Now that's your sinker ball having

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Speaker 2: hit a cushion or cushions on the way. As a result,

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Speaker 2: he not only has those records, he's now the youngest

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Speaker 2: person to have secured a snooker sponsorship. And Tho's News

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Speaker 2: of the World in the ninety inflation Gregel dirt in

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Speaker 2: a moment, but gee, she's hot as hell. In Australia

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Speaker 2: three point eight they would exp So that's not good.

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Speaker 2: Sticky sticky sticky as the global word for inflation as

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Speaker 2: far as I can work out, and the dollar goes

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Speaker 2: with it three year high. That stuff I told you

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Speaker 2: about in my first week back. Last week, the commentary

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Speaker 2: that suggests the Australian dollar could go to ninety US

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Speaker 2: so I dismissed as being fanciful, and yet yesterday crashed

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Speaker 2: through seventy. So more shortly twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: FREDA don't have much good news on the job front

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Speaker 2: globally this morning. Either I gave you bad news yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I've got more numbers today. Pinterest fifteen percent of his

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Speaker 2: workforce are going there reallocating resource. How many peoples that

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Speaker 2: will do? Fifteen percent of four and a half thousand

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Speaker 2: people globally. AI has been cited now for the reason

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Speaker 2: for almost fifty five thousand layoffs in the US alone

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Speaker 2: last year. Meantime, Amazon are telling us this morning sixteen

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Speaker 2: thousand corporate jobs they're gone. They want to reduce bureaucracy,

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Speaker 2: and that's the second round of job cuts at that

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Speaker 2: place since October could get ugly fifteen past seconds. But

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Speaker 2: from generate Greg Smith, welcome to Thursday morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Mike, good morning.

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Speaker 2: What I mean is it us We're a little sticky

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Speaker 2: and Britain's a little sticky in Australia. What a number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the inflation and dragon is certainly breathing fire again

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Speaker 3: across the Tasman. It's put the Reserve Bank in a

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Speaker 3: bit of a spot just months after it cut in

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Speaker 3: just right. So headline inflation that's at three point eight

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Speaker 3: month previous. Core inflation that's reheated, they preferred trim mean

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Speaker 3: rising point nine percent in the quarter, three point four

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Speaker 3: to three percent banned and above forecasts as well. And

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Speaker 3: the details really interesting Mic as well. Housing costs are

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Speaker 3: up five and a half percent, Electricity prices they surged

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Speaker 3: more than twenty percent, rebates have rolled off there and

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Speaker 3: services inflation is running above four percent. The problem is

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Speaker 3: Alongside this labor market that's pretty tight unemployments back there

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Speaker 3: and gain markets they erected pretty quickly yesterday, down now

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Speaker 3: pricing in a seventy percent chance of a rate hike.

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Speaker 3: That's an increase next week. So these trained dollar that's

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Speaker 3: looks like the RBA are going to have to do

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Speaker 3: a bit of a bit of a U turn and yeah,

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Speaker 3: raise rates next week.

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Speaker 2: Okay, talk to me about luxury. Our friends at Louis Baton,

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Speaker 2: where are they at.

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Speaker 3: Well, we are not going to be cracking the MAA

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Speaker 3: this year if you're an lvh H investor. Shares and

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Speaker 3: recovery is uneven. Fashion and leather that's underlue for Tony

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Speaker 3: what we're seeing here, Mike, is that wealthier consumers are

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Speaker 3: they're laying a bit margins remain underpression versus didn't like

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Speaker 3: that operating profit down nine percent. You've got the US

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Speaker 3: bode well for American spinning in Europe, so that crimped

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Speaker 3: a bit of an understatement. So yeah, it appears to

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Speaker 3: recovery is one that needs to prove itself and in

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Speaker 3: Vess clearly have their doubts.

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Speaker 2: Bring it back home. I mentioned jobs globally, what about

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Speaker 3: So the details a bit more encouraging. This is phill

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Speaker 3: from point three percent, So this is pretty rare. Prep

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Speaker 3: suggests the labor market is turning a corner in late

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Obviously we've seen lots of green shoots Economically,

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Speaker 3: the labor market does tend to lag a bit. So

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Speaker 3: total fill jobs now around two point three five million,

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Speaker 3: small decline in December seven oh nine jobs and your

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Speaker 3: basis field jobs down point one percent, so they were

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Speaker 3: leveling out rather than accelerating. Services sectors that were sort

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Speaker 3: industries they saw declined construction that's still lagging week spot

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Speaker 3: down three percent. Public seat industries they're doing pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Tourism is improving. Good news there. Regionally, as we've seen

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Speaker 3: Tago growing, alkinh and Wellington still shedding jobs. So i'd

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Speaker 3: even recovery overall. Just looking at the demographics. Prime age workers,

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Speaker 3: those age thirty five to forty four pretty strong. Different

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Speaker 3: story for age fifteen to nineteen, phil jobs fell four percent.

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Speaker 13: Who in the hill made that decision.

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Speaker 8: It's one of the biggest travesties in all sports.

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Speaker 2: Put your name to it. If you have both of Barichick.

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Speaker 2: That's the most asinine thing that I've heard in quite

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Speaker 4: We should boycott that bad boy. Nobody should show.

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Speaker 4: If Bill Belichick n is the first battle Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: If that means anything to you, I find in person

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Speaker 2: last year we had seven hundred and six thousand, one

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Speaker 2: of course, and is back with this. Ian, very good

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Speaker 4: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: So one in seven of us I did quick math,

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Speaker 16: Well, it's increasing, and it's been increasing for some years.

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Speaker 16: What's happened with our ambulance services mirroring the mirrors, what's

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Speaker 16: That means that we have overcrowded hospitals, we have overcrowded

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Speaker 2: So we interrupt you, sir, just so I get My

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Speaker 16: Absolutely absolutely what's happening to us? Well, I think that well,

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Speaker 16: I don't know whether they're can have a tripod vice

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Speaker 2: I don't It doesn't explain falls though, poverty, race, deprivation

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Speaker 16: And essentially what that one of the biggest drivers of

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Speaker 2: Right, nice and side, and I appreciate that very much.

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Speaker 2: That answers my question. And I was wrong. My assumption

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Speaker 2: Sint John? Very good question. When I ring you at

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Speaker 2: most people running for their lives. They haven't. I don't

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Speaker 2: think identified. It looks like urine to me. They're a

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Speaker 2: bit worried it was a bit poisonous, but anyway, so

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Speaker 2: he's spraser, so instead of ducking for cover, she chases them.

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Speaker 2: So she's a small woman going after him, and I thought,

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Speaker 2: you go, girl, six forty.

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Speaker 14: Five International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 14: mind for New Zealand business and just for the re thought.

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Speaker 2: I would have run for my life. If you're just

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Speaker 2: in case you're wondering, Joe, how are you great?

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Speaker 12: Mike?

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Speaker 2: How are you very good? Had this ic thing? I

445
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Speaker 2: can only imagine how it's gone down in Italy with

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Speaker 2: the Olympics, the Winter Olympics coming up.

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Speaker 12: Well, first of all, there was plenty of confusion because

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Speaker 12: I started sharing this information with other journalists and they said,

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Speaker 12: that's ridiculous. Those ICE agents can't move outside the US.

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Speaker 12: And suddenly we're hearing that they're going to be part

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Speaker 12: of a security detail at the Olympics. The Interior Ministry

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Speaker 12: and the US Embassy in Rome have confirmed that. Will

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Speaker 12: they be traveling with Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State,

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Speaker 12: and the US Vice President JD.

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Speaker 6: Vance.

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Speaker 12: I think so. But they're supposed to be coming to

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Speaker 12: the Olympics to monitor transnational criminal organizations. So I don't

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Speaker 12: know what that's about.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, So what are they going to do about There's

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Speaker 2: nothing you can do about it apart from be outraged.

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Speaker 2: Is something going to happen?

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Speaker 12: It doesn't look like it, But I certainly a lot

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Speaker 12: of concern across Italy and it wouldn't surprise me if

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Speaker 12: we see some major protests over this, because people are

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Speaker 12: pretty unhappy about it.

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Speaker 2: That a side. Are they buzzing about the Olympics? Is

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Speaker 2: this a cash win for the country.

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Speaker 12: I'm wondering if that might be exaggerated. We hear that

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Speaker 12: every time the Olympics are held, the Italian economy is

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Speaker 12: losing track. After growing less than one percent in twenty

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Speaker 12: twenty four, it doesn't look that good this year. Predictions

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Speaker 12: that it will be a bit of a windfall, but

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Speaker 12: I'm seeing today that the Confindustria, the largest business organization,

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Speaker 12: is saying the Italian economy is pretty much frozen at

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Speaker 12: the moment. Mike weak dollar, the dramas over Venezuela and

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Speaker 12: Greenland coming from the US President Donald Trump, fueling a

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Speaker 12: lot of uncertainty. People are saving and they don't want

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Speaker 12: to spend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then we come to speaking of Trump, America, etc.

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Speaker 2: This business. He didn't apologize. He sort of spoke nicely

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Speaker 2: of the British the next day. But this Afghanistan thing

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Speaker 2: was a horrific mistake. And Maloney, I guess, must walk

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Speaker 2: a fine line between being his mate and reminding him

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Speaker 2: you don't say stuff like that.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly this time. I was surprised, and the comments

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Speaker 12: that she made almost got swallowed up because soon after

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Speaker 12: she made these comments, President Trump backed away from what

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Speaker 12: he said. But I was shocked. She was very outspoken,

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Speaker 12: defending Italian troops and saying that they were on the

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Speaker 12: front line. They were there supporting the US troops and

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Speaker 12: the Allies in Afghanistan. And she was amazed to learn

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Speaker 12: of President Trump's declaration, so very very strong words, I thought,

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Speaker 12: And I'm wondering if we might see more of that.

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Speaker 12: That is, she willing to stand up for him, up

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Speaker 12: to him over issues that she thinks is important.

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Speaker 2: Exactly now, listener, I am, I suppose everyone is when

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Speaker 2: you got this town hanging on the Egypt the club,

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Speaker 2: what do you do for goodness?

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Speaker 12: So the vision is incredible, it's amazing. So this Sicilian

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Speaker 12: town is looks like it's really hanging off a cliff

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Speaker 12: after the cyclone passed through the last week or so,

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Speaker 12: people have been evacuated. Hundreds of people have been evacuated.

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Speaker 12: The Prime Minister Maloney was down there today state of

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Speaker 12: emergency one hundred million euros set aside for Sicily, Colabria

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Speaker 12: and Sardinia. But the big question is will this town

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Speaker 12: continue to fall off the cliff because we're still seeing

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Speaker 12: subsidence from the area.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you've you've got to coordinate I mean

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Speaker 2: the back end of the town which is away from

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Speaker 2: the cliff. I mean, you could argue, don't worry, you'll

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Speaker 2: be fine, but you've got to do something with the

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Speaker 2: front end and the problem that you have. See, we haven't.

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Speaker 2: The reason I'm so fascinated. We have this great debate

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Speaker 2: in this country of building in places that we shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be building, whereas you guys built thousands of years ago,

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Speaker 2: and you can't really blame the people who did it

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Speaker 2: at the time. So what do you do. Do you

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Speaker 2: have to compensate people or what?

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Speaker 12: Yeah? Well, I mean the chasm continues to widen, so

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Speaker 12: we might see the whole town fall off the cliff.

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Speaker 12: That'll be interesting.

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Speaker 2: I reckon, Hey, you're on holiday.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 12: I'm off to Melbourne in the next couple of days,

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Speaker 12: so I will see you the last week of February.

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Speaker 2: You've seen how hot it is in Melbourne this week

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 12: I'm a little nervous about that.

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Speaker 2: Go well, have a good time. We'll see you soon.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Joe McKenna and Italy Catherine will be doing

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Speaker 2: the business for the next couple of weeks away from seven.

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Speaker 4: So my costing breakfast with the defender and use tog

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Speaker 4: sad B.

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Speaker 2: I'm outraged. Neil Crompton. I'll come back to it. Neil

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Speaker 2: Crompton supercars commentator, legend and the sport has been sacked

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Speaker 2: and yet another one of those television moves by television

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Speaker 2: people who don't know anything. Anyway, I'll come back to it.

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Speaker 2: Deterte Philippines ic. See he's decided he can stand trial.

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Speaker 2: There having a hearing feb twenty three to decide whether

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Speaker 2: the prosecution's case against him. It's all, you know, humanity

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Anyway, he's eighty. The lawyer ran

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Speaker 2: the usual line, he's a bit you know, he's a

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Speaker 2: bit spacey to turn up and they didn't believe that

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Speaker 2: for a moment. Israel's presidents confirm herzog. He's going to Australia.

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Speaker 2: He's arriving Fairbaits five days, Bondie, et cetera. So that

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Speaker 2: set everybody off on the old Angst watch. So the

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Speaker 2: protests are already being organized. And while we're in Australia

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Speaker 2: a little Proud. You've never seen a political career blow

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Speaker 2: up quite as spectacularly as his. So he is the

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Speaker 2: leader of the NATS. The coalition's fallen apart, but he

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Speaker 2: was gunning for Lee. In gunning for Lee, some guy

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Speaker 2: stood up yesterday and he goes, mate, you're a dick.

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Speaker 2: Colin Boyce. Now Colin Boyce is challenging. Colin Boyce doesn't

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Speaker 2: stand a chance. Colin Boyce has no support. Colin Boyce

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Speaker 2: is a nobody. But he is arguing that given the

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Speaker 2: way that Little Proud has behaved, we deserve a sit

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Speaker 2: around the room for a bit of a chin wag.

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Speaker 2: So now Little Proud's in a world of pain. So

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Speaker 2: it's all going Australia, isn't it just in time for

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Speaker 2: Joe to get there? Six minutes away from seven?

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Speaker 1: The ins and the outs, it's the fizz with business

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Speaker 1: favor take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Right Housing this morning, new view on housing from A

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Speaker 2: and Z. They've readjusted the way they see the housing

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Speaker 2: market unfolding this year. So Sharon solmsback with us shortly,

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Speaker 2: but first cautality. They've got their Decoding Report for twenty

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Speaker 2: six looks at expectations from the real estate agent's, banking

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Speaker 2: and lending sectors. And there's a number in here that

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Speaker 2: astounds me. And this is for both New Zealand and Australia.

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Speaker 2: Report shows the outlook as improving pace of growth is

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Speaker 2: a little bit more volatile. Three quarters of New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: these are people in the industry, say they expect house

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Speaker 2: prices to grow. That's not really a thing I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have thought. Within the group, fourteen percent expect at least

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Speaker 2: five percent, so optimistic yet possibly delusional. Regional divergence got

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Speaker 2: plenty of it. Big areas Canterbury most upbeat place a

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Speaker 2: seven percent ce price growth. Seventy three percent say growth

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Speaker 2: in Auckland, but they're not sure if you're going to

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Speaker 2: get that if the employment and affordability conditions don't improval

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Speaker 2: I mean affordabilities and it hasn't been so good for years.

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Speaker 2: Sixty three percent in Wellington expect prices to rise, but

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Speaker 2: only seven percent think they'll see five percent or more.

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Speaker 2: Most Wellingtonians within the industry, remember, think the market will

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Speaker 2: underperform compared with the rest of the country. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that's a big bet either. Rate cuts play a

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Speaker 2: big part of expectations. This is the number that blew

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Speaker 2: me away. Forty three percent. And do remember these are

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Speaker 2: people who make a living in housing, real estate agents,

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Speaker 2: banking and landing sectors. Forty three percent say they expect

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Speaker 2: one rate cut this year from where from the magic tin?

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Speaker 2: Are you awake? Are you following the economy? Do you

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Speaker 2: have any understanding of what's actually going on in the economy?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what we're actually talking about when it

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Speaker 2: comes to rates and the RB This year we're talking

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Speaker 2: about rate increases, not decreases. How can almost half of

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Speaker 2: people in the sector think we're getting a rate cut?

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Speaker 2: And when is this magical rate cut? You think it's

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Speaker 2: coming next month? When old doctor Breman turns up and goes, hey,

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Speaker 2: guess what, surprise everybody, I'm more fun than I look.

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Speaker 2: Have a rate cut? Goodness sake, there are no rate

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Speaker 2: cuts this year. Peak has come and gone. I'm afraid

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Speaker 2: to tell you anyway. Sharon Zohl has been having a

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Speaker 2: look at the housing market. She's a bit doer as well, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: which is just as well be am, because Andrew Keller

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Speaker 2: has not back yet. I haven't made yet another stupid

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Speaker 2: bet on housing, the one I bet last year. I'll

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Speaker 2: probably going to lose again this year. But she's a

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Speaker 2: doer on the old housing market. So we'll talk to

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Speaker 2: her and then do we celebrate, do we com miserate?

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Speaker 2: Do we just reflect? Judith Collins twenty four years eighteen

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Speaker 2: Portfolios and enough is enough? Cho's with us after seven

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Speaker 2: to thirty. Meantime, the news is next here at.

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Speaker 1: Newstalks, credible, compelling, the breakfast show you confess It's the

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Speaker 1: Mic Hosking Breakfast with Veda, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way

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Speaker 1: News togs Head bs.

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Speaker 2: Welling seven past seven. So new data around one of

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Speaker 2: the great political mephiscal scams of the last Labor government.

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Speaker 2: Remember fees free next years on me and all that

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Speaker 2: will know and turned up and certainly not the so

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Speaker 2: called disadvantage that Labour claimed the policy would help. Just

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Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty students nationwide from the most disadvantaged

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Speaker 2: schools were using at seventy percent actually came from above

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Speaker 2: average socioeconomic backgrounds. Ministry of Education also says now analysis

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Speaker 2: suggests fees are not a significant barrier to participation. Chris Wheeler,

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Speaker 2: chief executive of University's New Zealand, back with us. Chris,

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Speaker 2: good morning, Good morning. So is this a little bit

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Speaker 2: of theory versus reality?

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Speaker 17: Look, absolutely, the fees free initiative was, of course a

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Speaker 17: manifesto promise of labor heading into the twenty seventeen election.

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Speaker 17: You know, in their absolute hearts, they believed it really

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Speaker 17: was going to make a difference at making university more accessible.

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Speaker 17: The reality was we saw almost no increase, less than

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Speaker 17: half one percent when the scheme was first introduced in

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Speaker 17: twenty eighteen. In saying that it's been incredibly popular with

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Speaker 17: students one year less of debt loans effectively when they graduate,

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Speaker 17: and continues to be popular because it just means that

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Speaker 17: there's a little bit less of a life burden on

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Speaker 17: these students as they enter the workforce.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing what free money can do for you. Even

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Speaker 2: at the time, part of the argument were many of

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Speaker 2: us argued, if you're going to do it, why not

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Speaker 2: reward the last year instead of giving it up for

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Speaker 2: the first year. Did that make sense or any sense

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Speaker 2: at all?

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Speaker 17: Absolutely, And that's of course where it's gone. So we're

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Speaker 17: now in final year fees free, and you know, again

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Speaker 17: we haven't seen any particular change in the pattern of

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Speaker 17: behavior of students, but yes, it does seem a lot

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Speaker 17: more rational doing it the way it's evolved.

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Speaker 2: This data we get from the ministry that suggests plese

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Speaker 2: are not a barrier? Is that sound thinking? Can you

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Speaker 2: back that up or you know, suggest it's true.

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Speaker 17: I think it's a bit more complicated than that. We

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Speaker 17: have a good loans and allowances scheme to make you know,

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Speaker 17: basically means that money shouldn't be a barrier to most students.

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Speaker 17: In saying that, over time, certain over the last decade,

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Speaker 17: it's become a little bit harder to access loans and allowances,

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Speaker 17: so fewer students are actually able to borrow, which is

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Speaker 17: putting a bit more pressure on them. And of course

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Speaker 17: we are well below the OECD average for postgraduate qualifications,

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Speaker 17: and that's mainly because the ability to get allowances finishes

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Speaker 17: after five years and doesn't continue into masters or doctoral studies.

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Speaker 17: So you know, we have a good loan scheme for

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Speaker 17: people doing undergraduate type quality vacations, but it gets a

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Speaker 17: bit harder later.

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Speaker 2: On international students. While I've got you reading over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: In Australia, you can pay eight hundred thousand dollars for

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Speaker 2: a course of your international student. There's a bunch of courses,

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Speaker 2: high end courses at high end universities, at over half

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Speaker 2: a million dollars and they're paying it. Are we similar

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Speaker 2: anywhere close to being similar? How are they getting away

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Speaker 2: with that?

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Speaker 17: Look, I'm not aware of anything like that in New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: You know, it might well be that there are some programs,

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Speaker 17: you know, I know there are subjects like aviation which

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Speaker 17: are extraordinarily expensive to be able to complete. I'm not

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Speaker 17: aware of anything like that here, but there are some

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Speaker 17: programs for which you know, there are people that will

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Speaker 17: pay because price is not a problem.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, Chris appreciated it. Chris William, Chief Executive

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Speaker 2: of Universities in New Zealand ten and has past sevenscar housing.

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Speaker 2: Where are we tracking this year? Well, it's only January

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Speaker 2: and already we've got our first adjustment. A and Z

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Speaker 2: thought it would be five percent for the year. They

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Speaker 2: now think it's going to be two. Stronger than expected growth,

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Speaker 2: sticking inflation, interest rates potentially on the way up. Share

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Speaker 2: on as the chief economist, of course, and is with us, good.

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Speaker 16: Morning, Good morning you too, mate.

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Speaker 2: The election year one two, the prospect of capital gains

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Speaker 2: tax what role do they play in your view of

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Speaker 2: warehousing goes this year?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's very difficult to quantify both of those things.

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Speaker 11: You never never had the counterfectional I suppose, but no elections.

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Speaker 11: It does make sense. It's a bit more talk about

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Speaker 11: the barbecue. And this does look like an election where

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Speaker 11: there could be bigger than usual difference in policies related

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Speaker 11: to the housing market. So it's not difficult to imagine

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Speaker 11: that that might cause some people to perhaps hold off

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Speaker 11: on decision.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we have uncertainty with inflation. Why is

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Speaker 2: by the way, side by a question, why is inflation

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Speaker 2: sticky here? Is sticky in Australia, sticky in places like Britain?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Is this a global thing?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it is a global thing, which is very interesting.

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Speaker 11: But the surprise here was very broad based, so you

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Speaker 11: can't just you can't say I was justice. It was

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Speaker 11: just that there were certainly some things that was there

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Speaker 11: being can't do anything about, like electricity and food to

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Speaker 11: some extent. But overall, i'd describe it as a broad

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Speaker 11: based surprise. We have been seeing that globally as well,

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Speaker 11: and we're starting to see a bit of upward pressure

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Speaker 11: on longer term interest rates as a result of that

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Speaker 11: and concerns about fiscal position. So that's also part of

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Speaker 11: the story here, that it's not just about what the

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Speaker 11: Reserve Bank of New Zealand is going to do, but

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Speaker 11: potentially also a bit more upward pressure on those longer

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Speaker 11: rates as well. It's kind of all adds to the

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Speaker 11: picture of mountry conditions. Seeing a little bit tighter than

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Speaker 11: is expected at the moment.

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Speaker 2: So election, you capital gains, tax sticking, inflation, possible rising

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Speaker 2: interest rights. So that's your uncertainty. How do you dovetail

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Speaker 2: that in with this so called recovery we're supposed to

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Speaker 2: be enjoying.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's the interesting thing. I mean, the fact that

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Speaker 11: growth has been stronger than you're expecting is of course

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Speaker 11: great because of the economies and it has been in

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Speaker 11: a very dark hole. So it's been really encouraging that

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Speaker 11: GDP growth was stronger than expected going all the way

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Speaker 11: back to September last year. It's looking like it will

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Speaker 11: be again in the last three months of this last year,

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Speaker 11: and the indicators have remained pretty positive going into this year.

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Speaker 11: That's all great. However, the economy and it does have

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Speaker 11: a speed limits. There's a lot of uncertain about how

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Speaker 11: purcent is and some of the inflation indicator have started

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Speaker 11: to move in the wrong direction. So the market's already

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Speaker 11: now expecting two hikes this year, and that is the

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Speaker 11: main change in our housing forecasts is that those mortgage

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Speaker 11: rates have already started to move up again.

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Speaker 2: Is there a regionality I'm assuming there is. Q Town

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Speaker 2: Queenstown sort of defied gravity by a plenty, is the

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Speaker 2: most expensive place in the country, and there will be

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Speaker 2: places who will do well places who won't no matter

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Speaker 2: what happens.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, the average hides a lot. In fact, it's hadden

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Speaker 11: a lot over the broader economy. The South Island's in

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Speaker 11: like a different country over the last few years with

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Speaker 11: its really strong agriculture background. So at the moment, for example,

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Speaker 11: South of house prices are up six percent, whereas Wellington

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Speaker 11: house prices are down three percent and everyone else is

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Speaker 11: somewhere in the middle, and those regional disparities are likely

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Speaker 11: to assists even within a city. You know, the different

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Speaker 11: price brackets can most quite differently. And of course it's

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Speaker 11: important to remember we haven't got a single month of

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Speaker 11: data for this year yet, so it there's a lot

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Speaker 11: of uncertainly obviously that have a feeble pair now, but

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Speaker 11: we think forecasters two percent balances the up and down

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Speaker 11: risks a bit better than our previous forecasters. Five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go, well, we'll talk lots of this year. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure Sharon's on the who's the A and Z chief

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Speaker 2: economist as regards to they, by the way, are also

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Speaker 2: expecting their first hike in February of next year. This

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Speaker 2: is the RB the cash rate next year February. Now

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Speaker 2: they've changed their mind on that as well to December

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Speaker 2: this year. Bradley, our mate, Bradley Olsen, he's not putting

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Speaker 2: his name on it, but he said possible. It's May

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Speaker 2: big call, Bradley. I mean, it's not a call, but

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Speaker 2: you're just saying it could happen. You're still thinking November,

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Speaker 2: but could be May. If you want to be jelly.

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Speaker 2: I'm reading KPMG's yesterday Brisbane Brizzi ten point nine nine

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Speaker 2: percent this year, followed by an eight point nine if

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Speaker 2: you don't mind next year nationally seven point seven. Brisbane

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Speaker 2: is on fire at the moment, hence, of course their inflation.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen past.

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Speaker 2: Talks seventeen past seven. Tell me if I'm being a

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Speaker 2: bit pedantic here, because I was thinking about Hipkins in

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Speaker 2: the house yesterday. Hipkins blew it the other day, and

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Speaker 2: I told you about this, so he was started banging

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Speaker 2: on at a time of tragedy in the Mount. He

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Speaker 2: starts banging on, tries to make it political, starts banging

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Speaker 2: on about climate change and climate change spending and the

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Speaker 2: government didn't spend enough on climate change, and if only

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Speaker 2: they spent more on climate change, somehow magically it wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have brained at the Mount. I mean, talk about misread

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Speaker 2: the room and talk about it insensitive. But then we

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Speaker 2: got Smami Hipkins yesterday and given this his election year,

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Speaker 2: he's got to watch himself. So in the House question time,

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Speaker 2: David Seymour was reading a letter.

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Speaker 18: Yesterday he started at Twin Oaks and came home with

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Speaker 18: a big smile on his face. For the first time

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Speaker 18: excitement what he had learnt about Bracket, King Charles the

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Speaker 18: Fifth and Mozart, and that he was able to do

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Speaker 18: lots of learning because they keep the classes quiet and focus.

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Speaker 18: That is what charter schools really mean for real people.

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Speaker 2: So no Charles the Fifth into Smami Hipkins.

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Speaker 19: May have misspoken, but given he's speaking to our head

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Speaker 19: of state, I think maybe he may wish to correct himself.

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Speaker 19: He referred to King Charles the fifth. The current reigning

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Speaker 19: monarch of New Zealand is King Charles the third unless

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Speaker 19: there is some great mystery that he's aware of that

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Speaker 19: we are not. Perhaps he could enlighten the house to

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Speaker 19: whether he made a mistake.

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Speaker 2: Well, once again making a dick of himself into Jerry Brownley.

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Speaker 12: He also mentioned Mozart, of course, so perhaps there was

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Speaker 12: a European King Charles, which there has been the.

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Speaker 20: Fifth, which the member himself was not aware.

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Speaker 2: Of, and so Brownie could barely contain himself and his knowledge,

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Speaker 2: and good on on him for doing so. And I'm

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Speaker 2: no student of history, but even I know that Charles

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Speaker 2: the Fifth of France from the thirteen hundreds and there

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Speaker 2: was in fact a Roman emperor who was Charles the

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Speaker 2: Fist of Spain who became Charles the Fifth. So in

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Speaker 2: other words, Hipkins was trying to make a cheap, nasty

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Speaker 2: little point and failed abysmally. And if he's going to

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Speaker 2: continue doing that this year, he's going to say something

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Speaker 2: at a time when the election campaign is fully ramped

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Speaker 2: I don't even know that's how you pronounce it, But

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Speaker 2: there is scanning software provider right. They're employed by Snapchat.

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Speaker 2: the way the law is enacted in Australia. And it's

864
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Speaker 2: coming to France, and that regulation is spreading France close.

865
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Speaker 2: As I've told you this week, it's off to the Senate.

866
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: Britain have got a government full of far left MPs

867
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Speaker 2: putting pressure on the Prime Minister, who I suspect, in

868
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: this heart of hearts, knows all this doesn't work. He

869
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: is actually not that sold on the idea. It raises

870
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: the most important point of all, if what we suspect

871
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: what will happen actually does happen. I e. It's a bust.

872
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: In reality, it's just window dressing. What do they then

873
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: do about it? And in that scenario is the great

874
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: weakness of governments and posturing and political process we see

875
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: at the time. You'll remember it wouldn't work because government's

876
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: law cannot beat tech and kids. In theory, great, it's

877
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: like fees free right in theory, great idea. In application,

878
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: it's a fail And if it's a failure, does a

879
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: government acknowledge it or pretend overall that you know, buy

880
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: and large. In the main it's still pretty good. Do

881
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: we say things like, well, it's better than nothing, it's

882
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: better than what it was. I think what the ultimate

883
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: lesson will be is that, rightly or wrongly, big tech

884
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: is too big to fail. And part of that scenario

885
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: is driven by demand. Of course, that makes them so big.

886
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: People say one thing, they do another. Kids want to

887
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: be online. People decry Facebook scrolling. You can't shake it.

888
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: Though you want more of it, you can't. You can't

889
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: give it up. Of course, it's bad or unhealthy, but

890
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: so are chips and gambling and booze. This is just

891
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: electronic escapism or fun. But the line elbow used about

892
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: saving a general is very rapidly being proved to be

893
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 2: idealism wrapped in theory. Ask what is it about labor parties?

894
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 2: Mike Labour's fees free university classic left wing ideology, sounds

895
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: amazing in theory, but in reality it's been a disaster,

896
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: just like so many of their other poorly thought out policies.

897
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: For example, key we build, which is why the government

898
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 2: will be reelected at the end of the year because

899
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: that stuff. Those the things you can't argue about. Facts

900
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: still on fees free, Facts still on key we built,

901
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Facts still on deficits and debts and interest rates of

902
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: facts still indisputable, on kids going to score. All of

903
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: that's still fresh in our mind, and as long as

904
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: it's fresh in our mind, when we get to the

905
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 2: polling booth, we'll go do we really want to return

906
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: to that? And the answer ultimately will be no. This

907
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: time yesterday I was calling BS on a person who

908
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: texted me saying they had five degrees and we're runing

909
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: under one hundred thousand dollars, and I said, BS, Now,

910
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: it turns out the bloke has been quite a bit

911
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: of yesterday, writing to me lengthy we in front of

912
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: me as we speak, he wants an apology. Now, I'm

913
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: all for an apology if I'm wrong. I don't know

914
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: that I am, and I don't know that I am.

915
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: For two very key reasons. In his lengthy tome he

916
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: suggests he's got five degrees, but in talking to both

917
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Sam and Ryan and they're really the only two people

918
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: you ever need to talk to about anything, he probably

919
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: doesn't have five degrees. And then he hasn't made clear

920
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: whether or not whether's five degrees, even if he does

921
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: have them, whether he's working full time, and I was

922
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: calling him out on working full time anyway. More on

923
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Speaker 2: this shortly.

924
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: No fluff, just facts and fierce debate. The Mic Hosking

925
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Breakfast with the Defender embraced the impossible news.

926
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Speaker 2: After eight o'clock this morning, twenty three minutes away from

927
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: eight election years, thrown up as biggest retirement to day

928
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Speaker 2: so far due to the Collins of course, is calling

929
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: twenty four years, a lot of portfolios and a lot

930
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: of good stories to tell. Judith Collins, as with us,

931
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: a very good morning to you.

932
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 5: Oh good morning, Mike.

933
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: I'm guessing there's been a lot of good will and

934
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Speaker 2: genuine appreciation for your contribution headed your way in the

935
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Speaker 2: last twenty four hours.

936
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Speaker 5: Yes, I've got to say I've been somewhat overwhelmed, very

937
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 5: pleased and happy at the amount of goodwill that's come across,

938
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Speaker 5: not only from my own side of Parliament, but also

939
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 5: from the opposition as well.

940
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: Good the date and the election and the moment you decided.

941
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: Is there a story behind any of that or not?

942
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 5: No, I just really felt the last year or so

943
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Speaker 5: I thought this has been I mean, I've just so

944
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Speaker 5: enjoyed these portfolios I've had and really loved. This has

945
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 5: been my best term of parliament, and I thought, I

946
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 5: really want to go out on the high. Twenty four

947
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 5: years is quite a long time in parliament, and you know,

948
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 5: it's a goodness, Saint Mike. I'm now the mother of

949
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 5: the House. I mean, it's like, you know, having one

950
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty something naughty children. It's really difficult. So

951
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 5: I just really felt that it was time to go

952
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 5: twelve years in opposition twelve years in government. It's a

953
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: pretty good symmetry.

954
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 2: What was the plan in two thousand and two, Visa

955
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: B staying around.

956
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 5: Oh, I thought twelve years would be really good. I

957
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 5: thought there would be enough. But it is quite an

958
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 5: addictive environment and I've always found it incredibly interesting work.

959
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 5: One of my secrets, and I say this to your MPs,

960
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 5: is I've been portrayate to be able to change my

961
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 5: portfolios every three years or so, so I never get bored,

962
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 5: and I always think that there's lots of new things

963
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 5: and doing, lots of new people to see, places, places

964
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 5: to find out about. You keep yourself interested, and so

965
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 5: that's what I've been able to do.

966
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: Thoughts on an electorate in an MMP environment, as you

967
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: rise through the ranks and have a fairly heavy workload

968
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: with portfolios, would you advise it or not?

969
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 21: Oh?

970
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 5: Absolutely so. Having the electorate of Papricora, Clinton and Papricora

971
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 5: has given me the absolute grounding to get out there

972
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 5: and do what I needed to do. So it takes

973
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 5: a lot more work, but it also keeps you far

974
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 5: more centered on actually who it is you're representing and

975
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 5: stop to getting a bit too you know, thinking that

976
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 5: you're you know, you're above that sort of stuff, worrying

977
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 5: about people's you know, hit knee operations, helping their kids,

978
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 5: just the school being bullied, that sort of thing, immigration issues,

979
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 5: all sorts of things that the local electric MPs deal with.

980
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 5: It keeps you really grounded.

981
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: How do you stop yourself being institutionalized?

982
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: I think try not to spend all your time with

983
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 5: other politicians. So I find that I don't think I've

984
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 5: become institutionalized, but I do. Even even now, I still

985
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 5: find interesting things in Parliament I didn't know about. I

986
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 5: don't think understanding that most of the world doesn't have

987
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 5: the privileges that EMPs have, and understand being very grateful

988
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 5: every day. Three year elections do tend to make you

989
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 5: really grateful to Frank, you're up for a job and

990
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 5: to view every three years.

991
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: As a lawyer, and you did the attorney General, all

992
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. I think I've never seen you

993
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: more as excited as excited as you are at the

994
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: moment with defense and tech and space and all that

995
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Is that fair?

996
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 22: Yeah?

997
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 5: I love them more, And I think you know, I've

998
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 5: always tried to say, whatever portfolio you get, do the

999
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 5: best you can and absolutely love from day one, because

1000
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 5: then you'll get the best out of it and you'll

1001
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 5: enjoy it most. But the science and tech areas were

1002
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 5: just fabulous in these space. But also a defense is

1003
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 5: so critical these days. But it's also good for our

1004
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 5: in New Zealand economy. And you know, I'm tu general

1005
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 5: as well. It's like coming home doing being the Attorney General.

1006
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 5: It's wonderful.

1007
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: The leader the leadership thing that so many people obviously

1008
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: focused on yesterday, how much of leadership and its success

1009
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 2: is about shear talent versus when you happen to turn

1010
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: up and timing is everything.

1011
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 5: I think as in terms of leadership of parties, well,

1012
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 5: it's very much on you get some people's shear talent

1013
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 5: and are obviously going to become the leader. And I

1014
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 5: saw that with Christopher Lutson when he came in, clearly

1015
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 5: was going to be the leader and obviously the right

1016
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 5: person for the job. But you also, so much of

1017
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 5: it is about hard work. And talent is one thing

1018
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 5: make but turning up every day giving it your best,

1019
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 5: that's what makes you a leader.

1020
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: I wonder to see. I'm a big believer in that

1021
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: very thing. Hard work is the key to basically everything.

1022
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: Do you think time and experience leads you to that

1023
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: inevitable conclusion And some of the young members don't quite

1024
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: get that.

1025
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's true. You've got to. It's not

1026
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 5: just turning up being there. It's hard work. Nothing beats

1027
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 5: hard work. You can have you see, you will have

1028
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 5: seen this over the years. People with all the talent

1029
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 5: in the world, but they can't make the time to

1030
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 5: turn up for work on time, or they can't be

1031
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 5: fast during the reading before an interview or something, and

1032
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 5: they fail. They eventually fail. Talent will get you so far,

1033
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 5: hard work will keep you there.

1034
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: How do you explain so I take it your comments

1035
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: about luckson a moment ago are not political because it's

1036
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: election year. How do you explain luxon the luxon you know,

1037
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: to the lux and the public see and the pole

1038
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: numbers that you will have read like all of us.

1039
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: Why the disconnect?

1040
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 17: Well?

1041
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 5: He one on one, he is a very genuine, decent

1042
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 5: person and I have found him very good to work with.

1043
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 5: But then again I found previous leaders or good in

1044
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 5: their ways. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses obviously, and

1045
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 5: you know I can be very forthright, as you probably know,

1046
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 5: so not everyone can cope with that as well as

1047
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 5: he does. But I think with him, it's just the

1048
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 5: fact that he needs to get out and see people.

1049
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 5: He saw him at not wulnability with people, just being

1050
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 5: a human being, and I think that's what people want

1051
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 5: to see in him, and I think that's what he

1052
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 5: needs to show more that I found him a very

1053
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: decent man to deal with.

1054
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 2: One of the last interviews I do with you, relatively recently,

1055
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: was the head of the Privileges Committee and all the

1056
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: nonsense that was going on last year. Your observation of

1057
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 2: the place in your twenty four years from a point

1058
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 2: of privileges, from the point of the quality of people

1059
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: coming into the house, of the behavior of tenure, etc.

1060
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you the behavior has improved. It's

1061
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 5: a Privilegis Committee report that's better behavior. I think there

1062
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 5: has been a lessening of certain standards, whether it's dress

1063
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 5: or everything else. Does that matter. It probably does actually

1064
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 5: probably have fewer people who are there for a longer

1065
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 5: term than it used to be when I came in.

1066
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 5: And I think sometimes people forget it's not a performance.

1067
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 5: It's not just what performance at. It's not just about

1068
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 5: social media, and social media obviously drives some of this behavior,

1069
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 5: but it's actually it's a place of work. It's a

1070
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 5: very furious place of work. We can have fun in it,

1071
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 5: but ultimately people are paying our salaries and they deserve

1072
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 5: us to work out and be sensible.

1073
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: Congratulations on it all. I'm sure we'll talk again soon.

1074
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: Due to Collins, National MP Cabinet Minister on her way

1075
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Speaker 2: out seven five, I.

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1077
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Speaker 2: Talks at be go away from mate, tell it. We'll

1078
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: get you so far, hard work, we'll keep you there.

1079
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: A great piece of advice Mike for our country a

1080
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: big loss. Yeah, I agree with it. And in unrelated matters, actually,

1081
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: Brad Thorne, I think you're going to enjoy this. Champions

1082
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: Do Extra. What a great name for a book, Champions

1083
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: Do Extra. What was the album kiss a lot, Kiss

1084
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: all the Time Disco? Occasionally Harry styles my reference to

1085
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: him earlier on Kiss all the Time Disco occasionally. How

1086
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: brilliant is that?

1087
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 13: That's pretty much your life?

1088
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: Philosophy is pretty much bloke who's on to me about

1089
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: his five degrees. I don't want to get into the

1090
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: weeds on this anyway. And I was surprised he had

1091
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 2: five degrees and are called bs. You don't have five

1092
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: degrees and get paid less th one hundred thousand dollars.

1093
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: He claims to be earning less than one hundred thousand

1094
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 2: dollars full time. He's asked us not to use his name.

1095
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: I won't. That's fair my question in talking to Sam

1096
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: and Ryan. Ryan's got two degrees, by the way, dance

1097
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: and drama. Kidding, but he does have two degrees PhD,

1098
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 2: bachelor degree, master's, postgrad degree in related field. My fifth

1099
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: and final degree relates to a previous profession. According to

1100
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: both Ryan and Sam, you don't have five degrees. They're

1101
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: not two separate degrees. And masters is not another degree.

1102
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: It's just an extension or an attachment to the original degree.

1103
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 13: You've got to go to the famers the framers twice though.

1104
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: If certificates are all you counting, my friend, it's no

1105
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: wonder yet. Anyway, he wants an apology, I'm still not.

1106
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: I'm close to an apology because I'm in my apologetic

1107
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: phase of my life. Like, if I've offended you, I'm sorry.

1108
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 13: I don't as he's doing a job, that's not one

1109
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 13: hundred thousand dollars.

1110
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He hasn't certified the fact he's

1111
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: earning a hundred thousand dollars full time. What I'm saying is,

1112
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: if you've got five degrees, and what I said yesterday,

1113
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: if you've got five degrees, you're not earning less than

1114
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 2: a hundred thousand dollars. That's what I'm saying.

1115
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 21: Now.

1116
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: If you're working one day a week, you might be,

1117
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: but I'm thinking about full time. You've got to be

1118
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: full time. You've got to be working sixty hours a week,

1119
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: five days a week, cracking on with it. Champions do extra,

1120
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: et cetera.

1121
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 13: That's what I'm saying, and allowing for how much you've

1122
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 13: had to pay the framers to certificates.

1123
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 3: Do you know?

1124
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 21: Is it?

1125
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: You know the blox and thing he gave me the calendar?

1126
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: I paid eight hundred dollars. I knew you'd look like that, sair.

1127
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: I paid eight hundred dollars to frame it. But what

1128
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: a frame?

1129
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 5: You know?

1130
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: This place put some bison board on the back and

1131
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: stuck it on the wall. So mine' in the ball

1132
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 2: bar with an eight hundred dollars frame on it. Who's

1133
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: the biggest sucker I know? Don't answer that. Nine minutes

1134
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: away from.

1135
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: Eight, the Mike Hosking breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate news togs.

1136
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 2: They'd be seven away from back to the university's new

1137
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: idea aiming at slowing the brain drain Wellington, Otigo and

1138
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 2: aut have teamed up to launch Uni Exchange Arti rower

1139
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: Let's second year undergrad swap cities for a semester. Scholarships

1140
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: will be available, along with contributions towards the travel course costs,

1141
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: et cetera. Nick Smith is the VIC University of Wellington

1142
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: Vice Chancellor ers with us Nick Morning Mike does a

1143
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: semester scratch a niche if you have a niche to scratch.

1144
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 23: I think semester gives you an opportunity to engage in

1145
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 23: a different environment and to have an entirely different experience

1146
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 23: and a new university in a different city.

1147
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: Is this driven by if you've run it up one

1148
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: hundred students everyone and go, oh, great idea, let's do it.

1149
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 23: It's driven by probably two things.

1150
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 21: You know.

1151
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 23: One is, as you said in your intro, you know,

1152
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 23: we as a nation need to retain our best and

1153
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 23: brightest and we can actually offer a real diversity of

1154
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 23: experience within the fantastic universities that we have and It's

1155
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 23: also driven by the fact that you know, as universities,

1156
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 23: we haven't always worked as well together as we could have,

1157
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 23: and this seemed like a unique opportunity to do.

1158
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: So it was everyone on board. Did you approach this

1159
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: with everyone and only three came to the party? Or

1160
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: is this scalable if the demand dictates.

1161
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 22: Yeah, We've been.

1162
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 23: Working with both OTIGA and AGUT for a little while

1163
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 23: now around a range of things, you know, sharing buildings,

1164
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 23: sharing infrastructure, joint teaching, which we do with OTAGO. But

1165
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 23: the program is fundamentally scalable. The program is one where

1166
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 23: ultimately we could have New Zealand students spending a semester

1167
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 23: at another New zeal university across the whole country.

1168
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 21: Right.

1169
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: And what about these contributions you make for the tangibles?

1170
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: How real is that? Is it fifty cents or something

1171
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: that would actually make you move.

1172
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 23: It's designed to be no cost to the student, right,

1173
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 23: So we organize accommodation for them and we are give

1174
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 23: them enough to pay for travel. So the decision should

1175
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 23: be made on what they want to do and the

1176
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 23: experience they want to have, rather than a financial barrier

1177
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 23: to get.

1178
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: Over fantastic You happen to be the perfect bloke at

1179
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: the perfect time. We've just been discussing. Is the degree

1180
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: if you get a degree and then get a master's

1181
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: is that two separate degrees or one degree?

1182
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 23: Technically it's two separate degrees.

1183
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: So technically in a quiz and contest you would be

1184
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: correct in saying it's two degrees. Don't think of them

1185
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: as one.

1186
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 23: Yes, you would have two different degrees. You would have

1187
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 23: a bachelor undergraduate degree which you would write beside your

1188
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 23: name if you chose to, and then you would have

1189
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 23: a master's degree, which you would do the same thing.

1190
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Nick, I appreciate your expertise very much on

1191
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: both subjects. Next Smith Victoria, University of Wellington, Vice Chancellor.

1192
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: So Sam says to me during the break, having said

1193
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: to me, well he's got a degree. If you've got

1194
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: a degree, if you actually got a degree, Oh, he

1195
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: has got a degree. It's not a diploma from the

1196
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: Polytech or anything. It's proper degrees. Okay. Anyway, so he

1197
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: says to me, I actually, technically I'm wrong. So this

1198
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: is how I get hung out to dry in front

1199
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: of hundreds of thousands people every morning. He goes, oh, no,

1200
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: it's not two degrees at all. And I go and

1201
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: I come on the radio and go, tell you what.

1202
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: It's not two degrees because of course Glenn and I

1203
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: have no degrees. Glenn and I bally went to school.

1204
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 13: I've just counted mine again and it's exactly.

1205
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: I've got zero two. So we rely on the educated

1206
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: members of the staff to help us out. And then

1207
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: so haven't gone out there and go, oh, it's not

1208
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: two degrees at all. No, no idiot would think it's

1209
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: two degrees. Then he goes, actually, technically I'm wrong.

1210
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 13: It's worse than looking at stuff on AI.

1211
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, isn't it. I don't know where we're at.

1212
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: I'm probably going to have to end up apologize to

1213
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: our friend at the university with his fifteen degrees and

1214
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: his sixty seven thousand dollars salary before I know it. Anyway,

1215
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: brad Thorne champions do extra more shortly here at the

1216
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: News Talks, theirv.

1217
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: Asking the questions others won't the mic asking breakfast with

1218
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: Bailey's real Estate doing real estate differently. Since nineteen seventy three,

1219
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: News Talks had been.

1220
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: At a seven past eight. Is anyone a greater coach

1221
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: wapper than Brad Thorne. The Great brad Thorne won the

1222
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: World Cup with the All Blacks. Of course, he got

1223
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: titles with the Crusaders. He got titles and the NRL

1224
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: as well, State of Origin Kangaroos. He's done at all.

1225
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: What drives him. He's got his book out. It's brilliant.

1226
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: Champions Do Extra. Bradthorn is with us. Good morning, Good

1227
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: morning to you, Mike.

1228
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 21: Thanks for having me on.

1229
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: Not at all, congratulations on the book. I love the title.

1230
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: Apart from anything, Champions Do Extra. Doesn't that say everything?

1231
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1232
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 21: It was just something that my father talked about when

1233
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 21: I was younger, with me and my brother. And I

1234
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 21: know it's pop and obvious one there, but you know,

1235
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 21: just encouraging us to do. You know that that one

1236
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 21: step more than you know, I guess when applying ourselves.

1237
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: So you would argue that it's inherent or it's taught.

1238
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: In other words, that it is taught. Anyone can be

1239
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: taught to be great.

1240
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 21: Yeah, I think so. I think it's taught. Yeah, And

1241
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 21: I think you know, if you look in the environment

1242
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 21: I grew up, I'm a very competitive family. You know,

1243
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 21: my father, my brother is like six foot eight, he

1244
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 21: was two years older than me. Spent my whole junior

1245
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 21: life having to compete my butt off to try and

1246
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 21: win anything, and then you know, just those different times.

1247
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 21: You know, obviously I got my mum's great mother, but

1248
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 21: you know, my father really drove that that that mindset

1249
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 21: and wanted to see me and my brother and a chief.

1250
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, was it the mindset of the time. So in

1251
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: other words, was he a tough dad? And in today's

1252
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: day and age, your tough dad might be a little ott.

1253
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 21: Yeah, we're pretty determined. He came from his background. His

1254
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 21: father came back from World War Two, and he also

1255
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 21: his father had anxiety. He's an alcoholic. He became an alcoholic,

1256
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 21: and it was, you know, day grew up in state housing.

1257
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 21: You bread and drippings. You know, he didn't you know,

1258
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 21: he would have loved to have, you know, got I

1259
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 21: guess more support, you know around his dad's dad was

1260
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 21: trying to cope with I guess life. And when dad

1261
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 21: had his us as sons and his kids, he poured

1262
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 21: everything into us that he wished. I guess he got

1263
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 21: that support. And sometimes that was an arm around the shoulder.

1264
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 21: Sometimes that was a kick out the backside. He wasn't

1265
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 21: he was balanced, you know, he was very thoughtful around us.

1266
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 21: Mum and him would have imagine, talked quite a bit.

1267
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 21: And I'm just grateful, you know, the strong role of

1268
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 21: father and a great mother. You know, I was really blessed.

1269
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: That's a that's a great way of putting it. The

1270
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: balance thing, because if you go back far enough, I

1271
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: mean dad was always the tough bastard and Mum was

1272
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: the soft touch. Whereas having a dad who can put

1273
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: his arm around you and talk to you as well

1274
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: as kicking up the backside. That that's the goal, isn't.

1275
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 21: It's so important is that you know, it's in my

1276
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 21: own fortune of my own obviously coached at the end

1277
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 21: of my playing career, and yeah, it's it's just picking

1278
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 21: those times and yeah, that balance is key, do you know?

1279
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 21: And the main thing is that you know that they

1280
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 21: care precisely.

1281
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: Do you instilled in your kids what he instilled in you?

1282
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's you many you know, if you ask me

1283
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 21: who is obviously he's my father. Who's my who is

1284
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 21: my best coach? So my dad? You know a lot

1285
01:03:54,520 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 21: of it was around mindset and you know, having a

1286
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 21: positive mindset and putting in the work, being the work

1287
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 21: ethic to them, being able to have the belief, to

1288
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 21: having earned the belief, to be able to achieve the

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Speaker 21: things that you want to achieve, and the potential that

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Speaker 21: you have. And we all have potential. So I'd like

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Speaker 21: to think that you know I've done you know, I've

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Speaker 21: been similar with my kids. The biggest one is I

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Speaker 21: said care before you can't loving. You know, I knew

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Speaker 21: my dad loved me, and my mom and dad. You know,

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Speaker 21: it's something that I've tried to take on in my family.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Listen, hold on Champions Do Extras the book

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Speaker 2: Brad Thorne more shortly eleven past.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, part

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Speaker 2: Talks Me fourteen minutes past eight to bred Thorn is

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Speaker 2: with us out of Queensland this morning. His book as

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Speaker 2: Champions Do Extra Now listen to the area of bread

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Speaker 2: that fascinates me. So your story's classic, right, Your dad

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Speaker 2: comes from adversity. If you come from adversity, you then

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Speaker 2: work hard so that adversity doesn't transfer, of course to

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Speaker 2: the next generation. But then you get to you, you

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Speaker 2: and your kids now, I'm assuming you're leading a comfortable,

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Speaker 2: happy life. Therefore, do you worry that that that they've

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Speaker 2: got a little bit easy and the adversity that drove you,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't drive them.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, well, I guess you know, they're young adults now

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Speaker 21: and you know they're having a good crack at life,

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Speaker 21: each one of them. You know, ones of the military,

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Speaker 21: you know what ones at UNI. You know, you know,

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Speaker 21: so you have achievements and stuff, but it's more so

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Speaker 21: the character of you know, I've got three sons, the

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Speaker 21: character of them as as young men, my daughter last

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Speaker 21: year high school. It's you know, it's I want them

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Speaker 21: to achieve. I want them to reach their potential. And

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Speaker 21: I guess like my father want them to through all that,

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Speaker 21: you know, you go in character, and you know every

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Speaker 21: parent's proud of their kids, but you know they along

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Speaker 21: the way, you know, when they fell over and just

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Speaker 21: well we didn't just me and my wife didn't rush

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Speaker 21: and pick them up or you know, they had their

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Speaker 21: challenges like we all do. And you just like I said,

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Speaker 21: they know that you love them, they know that you're there,

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Speaker 21: but you're allowing them to fight their own battles and

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Speaker 21: and and grow and that's where they get their strengthen

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Speaker 21: and their humility.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon the equation is and you talk

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Speaker 2: about adversity and hard work, do you how naturally gifted

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Speaker 2: do you have to be to add the hard work

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Speaker 2: to get to the very top?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, well you get you get these guys like example

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Speaker 21: would be you know we're probably similar area, like a

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Speaker 21: Michael Jordan when you agree you know, did you if

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Speaker 21: you watched his uh the last dance that you got

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Speaker 21: to see what sort of mindset he was and you

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Speaker 21: see talent and you see mindset. You know, that sort

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Speaker 21: of mindset come together and you get greatness.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 21: So sometimes you know there's different levels of talent. That

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Speaker 21: doesn't make anyone less, it's just what their abilities are.

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Speaker 21: And you know, I just think hard work takes you

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Speaker 21: so far, Mike, It just takes you so far. And

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Speaker 21: you know, as many times with Richard McCaw there's different

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Speaker 21: parts of the game. I didn't think initially he was natural,

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Speaker 21: but he just worked hard on it and you saw

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Speaker 21: those parts of his game develop and and added to

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Speaker 21: what he was great at as well. So hard works

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Speaker 21: takes you a long way.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the that's The other thing that fascinates me

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Speaker 2: so your success. So you worked hard, You're naturally gifted,

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Speaker 2: you work hard, but you also ended up in a

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Speaker 2: couple of franchises, both in league and in Union, where

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming doing well is not only encouraged, it's expected,

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Speaker 2: and therefore doing well becomes easier.

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Speaker 21: Big part of why I went to the Crew Shatters,

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Speaker 21: you know, I was actually from take on that challenge

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Speaker 21: with Rugby to go back. I'm actually from Targo. I

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Speaker 21: was born in mys Girl, which is near d n, Eden,

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Speaker 21: and all my relations went down there. My father was

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Speaker 21: as a child represented o Targo at Ragby as a schoolboy.

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Speaker 21: He's a sprint champion whatever, so I always my mindset

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Speaker 21: was to go there to pursue it. It was Wayne

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Speaker 21: Bennett who stepped in and said, a thorny I told

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Speaker 21: him I'm going back. And the awesome thing was Wayne said,

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Speaker 21: how good you go at it? Son, you know, And

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Speaker 21: he had a relationship with Steve Hanson who had come

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Speaker 21: across to just you know, check out the Broncos. And

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Speaker 21: Wayne was the guy who said, look, they've got a

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Speaker 21: good program. It'd be worth having a chat to them.

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Speaker 21: So that there's a Reds game on when they come over,

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Speaker 21: why don't you go and catch up with him. I

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Speaker 21: went and catched up with him, and I was really impressive,

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Speaker 21: Robbie Deans, Steve Hanson and the whole setup. And I'd

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Speaker 21: seen what they've done with Ron Krab, Norm Berriman, the

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Speaker 21: sort of guys and and in that environment. So I

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Speaker 21: went to a city where I knew nobody lived in

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Speaker 21: a one batchelor apartment. It made it harder, but I

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Speaker 21: knew that it was the best place to go because

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Speaker 21: I'd be amongst the best, and that's the best way

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Speaker 21: of learning.

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Speaker 2: You'd give us. You can give us some insight into this,

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Speaker 2: because we are, of course going through the process of

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Speaker 2: looking for a new coach for the All Blacks. At

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Speaker 2: the moment when you deal with Robbie Deans, Wayne Bennett

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Speaker 2: is there, and in course you've gone on to coaching.

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Speaker 2: Is there a magic about those sort of people.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, they have a mike, they have a presence. You know,

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Speaker 21: you said, you know when I first walked in Dwayne Bennett,

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Speaker 21: as I said, any here old and they had a presence,

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Speaker 21: and so as Robbie and all those great coaches. So

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Speaker 21: they had that presence and you know they're they're very

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Speaker 21: often compared competitive people. You know, the full picture, the smarts,

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Speaker 21: the experience, you know, and they know how to get

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Speaker 21: the best out of people. The people and I guess

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Speaker 21: at head coaching level, that's your staff, that's your playing group,

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Speaker 21: that's you know, it's a whole package. A head coach

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Speaker 21: is always like a bit of a CEO these days,

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Speaker 21: managing up, managing down. So those guys were I just

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Speaker 21: feel so blessed I had the coaches, Joe Schmidt, you know,

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Speaker 21: I could keep going through the coaches, and it was

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Speaker 21: it was a privilege to play for those guys.

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Speaker 2: How do you handle it? How have you handled it?

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Speaker 2: And I'm talking about towards the end. You played till

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Speaker 2: you're forty one, So that's impressive. You played at the

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Speaker 2: very highest level. So the big question for all athletes

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Speaker 2: is what next? How do I do it? How do

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Speaker 2: I handle it? How does it go? How do you

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Speaker 2: reckon you're handling it?

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Speaker 21: Yeah? I think it was. Yeah. I came back to Brisbane,

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Speaker 21: that's sort of where we see our home. Brought out

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Speaker 21: four kids back and we wanted to give them that

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Speaker 21: Australian New Zealand and upbringing and be able to establish friends,

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Speaker 21: and I thought I ended up at the Reds there

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Speaker 21: was an opportunity there with the sort of lower level

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Speaker 21: with under twenties, and I thought, you know, I've had

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Speaker 21: twenty two years of playing Raby, surely can coach from

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Speaker 21: seventeen and eighteen year olds. And then within two years

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Speaker 21: that quickly turned into me coaching the top team. Six

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Speaker 21: years went by and it was solid six years. You know,

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Speaker 21: it was harder challenge than going from league to union.

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Speaker 21: Then where I am now the last two years, I

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Speaker 21: mean I've had a break. I'm coaching at first firsteen level,

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Speaker 21: doing some other things, but yeah, I feel what a

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Speaker 21: healthy space. I think the key mic is not having

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Speaker 21: an identity wrapped up in all of that, because when

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Speaker 21: that disappears, that's when I think sometimes people will get

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Speaker 21: in a bit of trouble when you know they can

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Speaker 21: fill down and instead of so, yeah, my identity is

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Speaker 21: not just a footy player coach. And you know, I'm

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Speaker 21: a Christian. I have a family, and I've kept my

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Speaker 21: friendships from even my youngest years as a My oldest

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Speaker 21: friend is from being a five year old, and I

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Speaker 21: you know, I think that brings strength and you know

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Speaker 21: I look to try and a purpose in each day.

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Speaker 2: Well, good on you. It's good to hear that too.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations as I say on the book, and well then

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Speaker 2: lovely to catch up and talk with you and go.

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Speaker 21: Well appreciate it my thanks, thanks mate.

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Speaker 2: Here we go Rad Thorne out of Queensland this morning

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Speaker 2: there is no cut. Trump said nothing yet, but he

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Speaker 2: will because he's rapable, he's infuriated, all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I had a quote I haven't got it here, but

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Speaker 2: Trump the other day was asked about as he got

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Speaker 2: down to you know, who's going to pick two replace Powell?

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Speaker 2: He goes, I think we're down to three. Actually we're

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Speaker 2: down to two. In fact, I could probably tell you

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Speaker 2: we're down to one. So you couldn't work out by

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Speaker 2: the time he'd done the one sentence was there at three?

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Speaker 2: Was it two? Or was it one? What an amazing person.

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Speaker 2: Mike loved the interview. A great title for the book.

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Speaker 2: Words to remember quite right. Mike car is lucky enough

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Speaker 2: to be at the anniversary game when Monthster played the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks Limerick two thousand and eight, ten minutes ago

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Speaker 2: AB's losing. Thorn comes on from the bench, calls the

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Speaker 2: team around. A AB's win by two doesn't surprise me. Mike,

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Speaker 2: What an inspirational man he is. Theme of the day, Mike,

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Speaker 2: hard work gets you further. Isn't that good? If you

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Speaker 2: missed Judith Collins, Judith Collins, Brad Thorn. It's not just

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Speaker 2: just talking, sayings and hot hair. Anyone can say that, oh,

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Speaker 2: if you work out, he'll do better. A couple of

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Speaker 2: very good examples, tangible, living breathing examples, have said, independently

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Speaker 2: of each other, the exact same thing. If you work

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Speaker 2: hard and determined, guess what you will succeed. I must

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Speaker 2: get the weather update. Chandra has been a thing apparently

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Speaker 2: and the window the rain was coming in Starmers in China.

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Speaker 2: course we've got this ongoing scrap over the coming by

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Speaker 2: election in Manchester, all of this in war with Rod.

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Speaker 1: Breaks opinionated, informed, un apologetic, The Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: a Vita, Retirement, Communities, Life your Way, News Talks head.

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Speaker 2: Be now Jerome Perl, as I told you just before,

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Speaker 2: the news has decided, we're not going anywhere, and he

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Speaker 2: is speaking to the wider world and telling us why.

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Speaker 20: We remain committed to supporting maximum employment, bringing inflation sustainably

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Speaker 20: to our two percent goal, and keeping longer term inflation

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Speaker 20: expectations well anchored. Our success in delivering on these goals

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Speaker 20: matters to all Americans. We at the FED will continue

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Speaker 20: to do our jobs with objectivity, integrity, and a deep

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Speaker 20: commitment to serve the American people.

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Speaker 2: There we go, Thank you.

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Speaker 20: I look forward to your.

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Speaker 14: Questions, international correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 14: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: There's not a prerequisite that you have to be dull

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Speaker 2: as ditchwater to be a central banker. Just just a question.

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Speaker 2: By the way, my fate, well was it? My favorite story, certainly,

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Speaker 2: the most uplifting story yesterday was from the good people

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Speaker 2: at O Poor Forest. And I tried to say this

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Speaker 2: several times, and this once again park up the tragedy

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Speaker 2: of Mount Mongenery no one's arguing it's not a tragedy

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Speaker 2: and a disaster, and in some of the other parts

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Speaker 2: of the country that were adversely affected by the weather.

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Speaker 2: But what I tried to say is that for many

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Speaker 2: parts of the country what we've seen weatherwise over summer

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Speaker 2: is actually not bad. And a lot of us on

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Speaker 2: the land actually quite like a little bit of rain

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Speaker 2: over the summer period. And from Opoor Forest yesterday it

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Speaker 2: was quote absolute pure gold. A warm deluge arrived at

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Speaker 2: exactly the right moment. Twenty mills day, one, ninety mills

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Speaker 2: the next day, followed by a steady, windless rain a

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Speaker 2: week's total of between one sixty and two point fifty

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Speaker 2: I deal. The positive effect on the trees was immediate.

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Speaker 2: New growth appeared almost instantly years ago. And here's the point.

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Speaker 2: The Opah Forest was set aside for nature to prevent

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Speaker 2: land failures and silt from washing into the Bay of Islands,

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Speaker 2: and it's doing its job.

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Speaker 14: Nine International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 14: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Roderick Little is with us from the greatest of Britain.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to You're a friend.

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Speaker 22: Come more to you, Mike as well.

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Speaker 2: Chandra storm and are we okay? Was it devastating? Was

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Speaker 2: it a problem? What happened?

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Speaker 22: Oh it was It was a marginal storm. All of

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Speaker 22: these storms are currently being whipped up. I don't quite

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Speaker 22: understand why. And Chandra was a problem for parts of

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Speaker 22: this very southwest. I couldn't get to the supermarket because

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Speaker 22: I was blocked in by snow and I'm in the

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Speaker 22: middle of the Pennines and you expect that in winter. Frank,

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Speaker 22: I think it's all being a little overstated. I also

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Speaker 22: don't know where the name Chandra comes from.

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Speaker 2: But there we are, Okay, Starmer's in China. What is

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Speaker 2: there something tangible he's going to bring back from that

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Speaker 2: or is this just walking the diplomatic type rope that

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Speaker 2: we walk these days.

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Speaker 22: It's walking the diplomatic tightrope. And you have to say

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Speaker 22: that though he's been remissing so many other areas, he's

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Speaker 22: done that rather well. I think it's what he was

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Speaker 22: born to do, which was to come down on either

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Speaker 22: side on any occasion. So he has said that our

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Speaker 22: relationship with China has been hot and cold over the

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Speaker 22: last twenty five years, which is absolutely right. At one moment,

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Speaker 22: we're desperate to get Chinese investment. At the next moment,

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Speaker 22: we're desperate to stop Chinese people infiltrating our political system

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Speaker 22: and country. I don't see that there's anything in what

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Speaker 22: he's talking about with g that will change that. We

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Speaker 22: will continue to have worries about the Chinese embassy being

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Speaker 22: built in London next to all of our important stuff

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Speaker 22: and with its secret rooms. We will continue to worry

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Speaker 22: about the human rights and the wigas and the room

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Speaker 22: key and Tibet, and we will continue to worry that

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Speaker 22: they are a hostile force at the same time as

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Speaker 22: wishing to take their money. It is an insuperable problem.

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Speaker 22: I do not see how you get around it.

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Speaker 2: He's got a fairly large delegation with him as the

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Speaker 2: Saints that there is business to be done. Jagua Lane

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Speaker 2: driver there among others. I mean, are looking to write

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Speaker 2: some chicks and get some business done.

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Speaker 22: There is definitely business to be done. And what will

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Speaker 22: happen when he comes back is he will say We've

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Speaker 22: got you know, the equivalent of pavillion quitsmers of trade

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Speaker 22: out of disposit and it was very important. And I'm

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Speaker 22: sure that's true, but it doesn't it doesn't really paper

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Speaker 22: over the real dichotomy which we have in this country,

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Speaker 22: which is, well, we've got to trade with China, but

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Speaker 22: we also are very very worried about them. What should

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Speaker 22: we do? And I don't think that Sakia has an

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Speaker 22: answer to that either. But you know, Kenny Badenoch, the

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Speaker 22: Conservative Party leader, has said it was wrong for him

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Speaker 22: to go to China. I think she's wrong. I think

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Speaker 22: you know, we have to deal with these countries exactly.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more. The by election, I noted yesterday there

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Speaker 2: was a letter from about fifty Labor and Peace saying this,

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Speaker 2: this whole Burnham things a bit of a stitch up.

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Speaker 2: Fifty is not enough, is it. I mean, when you've

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Speaker 2: got a party the size or a number of being

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Speaker 2: pieces of the size that Starmer's got, fifty isn't going

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Speaker 2: to do it, is it.

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 22: And Burnham has been pretty quiet as well, so I

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Speaker 22: don't think there was potentially a rebellion for the Labor

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Speaker 22: Party is going to turn out to be very much

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Speaker 22: at all. And they're also playing this by election very commonly.

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Speaker 22: They are. They have put it out to the press

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Speaker 22: that they're going to lose. So whatever reform does, you know,

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Speaker 22: it is very close. A friend of mine, Matt Goodwin,

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Speaker 22: has been chosen as the reform candidate, and that's a

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Speaker 22: clever lad, you know, academic on sophology and voting, and

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Speaker 22: he will know that actually overturning a majority of eighteen

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Speaker 22: thousand versus five thousand for the Labor Party into a

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Speaker 22: reform victory in a place which isn't actually big reform

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Speaker 22: territory is a huge, huge ask. So I think Labor's

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Speaker 22: plaim is pretty canarly at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Heaving said that, I mean, is this only because they've

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Speaker 2: got such a majority it kind of doesn't matter and

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Speaker 2: in different circumstances it would or not.

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Speaker 22: Well, yeah, I mean they they've got a huge majority.

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Speaker 22: Obviously the loss of a seat to them doesn't matter

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Speaker 22: terribly much, and they're probably right in making the calculation

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Speaker 22: that the loss of the Manchester Merrial election would be worse.

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Speaker 22: But I also think that this is a really good

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Speaker 22: test of reform. Can reform not ahead of that thirty

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Speaker 22: percent yes, which they've been pinioned on now for ages?

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Speaker 22: Or is it the case that the Left will coalesce

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Speaker 22: around a winning candidate and beat them at the polls

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Speaker 22: and that will give us a real insight into what

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Speaker 22: happens at the next election.

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Speaker 2: As we've discussed many times before, theory versus regality. Good

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Speaker 2: on you, Rodger, you have a good week in we'll

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Speaker 2: catch up next Tuesday. Just briefly from the UK, we

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Speaker 2: get the update that one in one out thing they've

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Speaker 2: got going with France. Three hundred and fifty have come

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Speaker 2: in to eighty one have gone out. So the one

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Speaker 2: in one out is technically, mathematically, irrefutably not working. And

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Speaker 2: that's before you get to the fact that it's been

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Speaker 2: going for several months now and you're thinking to yourself,

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Speaker 2: as two hundred and eighty one actually a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: is that a big deal? And then for the first time,

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Speaker 2: and this I didn't realize this. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize it, but Northern Ireland are changing the

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Speaker 2: rules around driver's licenses and for the first time they're

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Speaker 2: going to be in fact that they're going to be

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Speaker 2: the first area and the whole of the UK to

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Speaker 2: have a graduated driver license for lunar drivers. You know

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Speaker 2: how in this country. I just thought it was the

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Speaker 2: same in most western countries. So once you at the

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Speaker 2: age of fifteen sixteen whatever the law says. Once you

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Speaker 2: pass you're limited in what you can do. Not so

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Speaker 2: in Britain, you just get your license. You can do

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Speaker 2: whatever you want whenever you want to have as many

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Speaker 2: people in the carriage you want to drive, but two

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Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. But they've decided that's probably not

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Speaker 2: the wisest thing they can do, so they're changing. It's

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Speaker 2: sort of to end up to look like ours forty

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Speaker 2: five The.

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Speaker 1: Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 2: Be from the research department. Glenn's informing me we were

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Speaker 2: the first country in the world to do a graduated license,

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Speaker 2: which I didn't realize. In fact, I got my license

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Speaker 2: at a time when it wasn't graduated. Therefore, apparently I

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Speaker 2: just got my license to the end. Whereas Glenn is

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Speaker 2: young enough, he's not much in them and me, but

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Speaker 2: he's young enough.

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Speaker 13: To remember significantly younger, I think.

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Speaker 2: Are you really okay? Let's debate that, and.

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Speaker 9: That I'm the same age as your child bride cars.

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Speaker 2: Did we sell a lot last year? Yes, we did.

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Speaker 2: Stats out this morning for twenty twenty five. For the

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Speaker 2: year of twenty twenty five, one hundred and thirty hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty three new cars good, which is a ten

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars bump on the previous year. So that's excellent.

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Speaker 2: So we're back. We've got a new number one car.

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Speaker 2: Let me give you the commercials. First Ranger, number one,

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Speaker 2: high LUTs number two, Triton number three, Navara pops in

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Speaker 2: there at number four. The Shark did okay byd Shark

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Speaker 2: at eighteen eighty two. Mind you, you know, when you're

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Speaker 2: selling eight nine thousand ranges and highluxes, eighteen hundred has

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Speaker 2: got a long way to go. But as for the

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Speaker 2: cars themselves, Rev four is the new. It used to

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Speaker 2: be the four range was the number one selling car

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Speaker 2: in the country. RAV four has taken that. I don't

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Speaker 2: I wonder obviously whether that's slightly stacked, Not that it

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Speaker 2: matters the sales the sale, but I wonder if it's

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Speaker 2: slightly stacked by the rental car companies, because rental car companies,

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming as tourism booms, need to buy more cars.

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Speaker 2: I had a car over the holidays. It was a

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Speaker 2: RAV four as a rental car, and I thought to myself,

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Speaker 2: then maybe you know that's where that is. So they

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Speaker 2: their number one. Now the Ranger comes in at number two,

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Speaker 2: the A six and the Outlander of done well, it's

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Speaker 2: a bish You're doing okay, forty nine hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: three hundred units each, Kia at eighty five hundred and

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Speaker 2: total Suzuki at forty nine to twenty five are still

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Speaker 2: you know, I guess doing reasonably well. So the most

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Speaker 2: important part of that is that we're selling more cars,

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Speaker 2: and long may that continue. Turn away from nine for the.

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Speaker 4: My casking breakfast with the Defender and use TOGSENDB.

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Speaker 2: For fifty years now, Bailey's are good friends. At Bailey's

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Speaker 2: real Estate, they built this legacy of trust and innovation

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Speaker 2: right across this beautiful country as the country's leading they

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Speaker 2: are the country's leading full service real estate agency. Humble beginnings,

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Speaker 2: that's where most great stories start. Of course, they've matured

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Speaker 2: into the country's largest locally owned and family operated real

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Speaker 2: estate network. They've got more than one hundred officers two

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Speaker 2: thousand personnel expertise across all corners of the property sector,

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Speaker 2: including your residential, your commercial, rural, property services, the whole lot.

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Speaker 2: They add value across the property sector. They're also beside

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Speaker 2: you on the rugby pitch and the gun boots on

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Speaker 2: the farm, investing in the local communities nationwide because that

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01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 2: is the Kiwi way and that is the Bailey's way.

1710
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: They are backed not only by the national network and

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01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 2: strategic international partnerships, and that combined give their clients the

1712
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 2: cutting edge. People are at the forefront of everything they do,

1713
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: so they're super proud to support New Zealanders to achieve

1714
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 2: our property goals. They've done real estate differently fifty years now,

1715
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 2: half a century. So the question is how can Bailees

1716
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: altogether a better approach help you. Bailees dot Co dot

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01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: NZ licensed under therea Act of two thousand and eight tasking.

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01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 2: It's a good point, Mike. Most companies in New Zealand

1719
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: are putting their team into a rav which is driving

1720
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 2: the uplift. Excuse the pun having said that, I thought

1721
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 2: it was all Suzuki swifts, but maybe the councils are

1722
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 2: buying the raps. Can I say something moderately controversial without

1723
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: offending anybody? In renting a rab over the holiday period,

1724
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 2: I didn't do much for me. I wasn't moved by it.

1725
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, yeah, it would depend what it costs.

1726
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what Arab costs. If it costs thirty two,

1727
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 2: nine hundred and ninety five dollars, not bad. If it

1728
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 2: costs sixty nine, seven hundred and fifty dollars, I'm thinking

1729
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 2: not the greatest car, just that hybrid thing. I'm not

1730
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 2: a hybrid fan.

1731
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 13: You don't have to have a hybrid one.

1732
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 2: Well I got a hybrid one. You know, nothing I

1733
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: could do about it. They just gave it to me.

1734
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: But it had a hybrid thing, and I thought, is

1735
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 2: this the future? Honestly? Anyway?

1736
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 13: That was fifty K for a brand fifty for fifty.

1737
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: K for a brand new car, and that'd go for

1738
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 2: a long way because it's a Toyota, which I guess.

1739
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1740
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 13: They hold their values pretty well too?

1741
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 2: Do they hold their values pretty well?

1742
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 9: Speaking from you got one, I've got a REVD and

1743
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 9: the car before the car now was rad If.

1744
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 2: That's what they say, are you one of those? I

1745
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 2: want to board a rab. It's like my granddad had

1746
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 2: a Commodore always, but no, what do you want? He

1747
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 2: brought a Belmont and you had a Belmont. You always

1748
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 2: had a Belmont? So what it is? Five minutes away from.

1749
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,719
Speaker 4: Nine trending now.

1750
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 2: Every day Holden Kingswood with a stick shift.

1751
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 13: Yeah, my dad had.

1752
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 2: Everyone had a King's would didn't they.

1753
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 9: They used to make me sit in the boot facing

1754
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 9: the wrong way because I was the fourth kidding, there

1755
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 9: was only three seats in the back seat.

1756
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 2: See, nothing odd happened to you because of that, did it?

1757
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 2: You know these days that's a crime, But back in

1758
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: the day, no big deal.

1759
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 4: Trending now, with your home of summer attention.

1760
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: Trumps launched his version of Kiwi Saber. So he gives

1761
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 2: you a thousand bucks for every newborn. Money's then invested

1762
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 2: on your behalf. JP Morgan Chase said they are going

1763
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 2: to match it. I wonder if that's got anything to

1764
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 2: do with the fact that they're getting sued by Trump. Anyway,

1765
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 2: guess who was there, Nicki Min.

1766
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 20: I'd like to ask you to come up, Nicky, come

1767
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,040
Speaker 20: on up, come on.

1768
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 22: She's been such a great supporter and a great supporter

1769
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 22: of Trump accounts. And I said, I'm going to let

1770
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 22: my nails grow because I love those nails.

1771
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to let those nails grow.

1772
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 2: She was up on the furry white outfit.

1773
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 15: By the way, I am probably the President's number one

1774
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 15: fan and that's not going to change. And the hate

1775
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,759
Speaker 15: or what people have to say, it does not affect

1776
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 15: me at all. It actually motivates me to support him more.

1777
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 15: He has a lot of force behind him and God

1778
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 15: is protecting him. Amen.

1779
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 2: Trump heighted that.

1780
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 4: Well, that was great, a little interlude.

1781
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 20: I don't know that's better than getting Scott bessent up.

1782
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 2: That's quite funny, quite funny. You get him in the

1783
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 2: right mood, in the right environment, with a large number

1784
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 2: of sick efents around him, he could actually be seen

1785
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 2: as quite a likable god, couldn't he anyway? That is

1786
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:16,600
Speaker 2: us Back tomorrow morning from six as always every days.

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01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,600
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