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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks ad Be.

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Speaker 2: I really don't know what he said at the end

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Speaker 2: of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he

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Speaker 2: said either. That was it. That was at the moment,

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Speaker 2: the line, the death knell, and the crazy thing about

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Speaker 2: the words that probably best defined the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: presidential election debate is that Donald Trump wasn't blustering or

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Speaker 2: lying or even being mean. He was being honest. I

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Speaker 2: don't think anyone who had seen Joe Biden's attempt at

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Speaker 2: an answer honestly disagreed. Election debates are rarely significantly consequential.

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Speaker 2: You know, they might give a candidate or a party

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Speaker 2: a little bump in the polls for a week or two,

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Speaker 2: or you know, some choice clips for social media or

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Speaker 2: campaign advertisements. But as much as the Democrats are in

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Speaker 2: damage control today playing down the significance of their candidate's

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Speaker 2: performance last night, this will go down in history as

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Speaker 2: the moment that lost Joe Biden the presidency, the moment

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Speaker 2: where it became absolutely crystal clear for millions of people

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Speaker 2: watching live and the billions of people watching the subsequent

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Speaker 2: clips on the Internet that either Joe Biden stands down

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Speaker 2: or Joe Biden will be defeated. The crazy thing to

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Speaker 2: remember is that everything about the debate was played on

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Speaker 2: his terms. This was the Democrats' big play to dispel

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Speaker 2: the criticisms of his competence and energy. Joe Biden took

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Speaker 2: a full week to prepare, a week as president to

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Speaker 2: prepare for that performance. His team requested rules around the

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Speaker 2: microphone being cut off to stop Donald Trump from interrupting.

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Speaker 2: And yet with all of the prep all of the resources,

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Speaker 2: he stood there with his mouth gape open, a sort

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Speaker 2: of dithering, honestly pitiful, sometimes incoherent picture of a diminished

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Speaker 2: elderly man. If the goal was to prove the president

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Speaker 2: had the energy and the sharpness for four more years,

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Speaker 2: it was a stunning own goal. Trump didn't damage Biden,

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Speaker 2: he didn't need to. Biden damaged Biden. And if you

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Speaker 2: step back for a moment and just take the politics

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Speaker 2: out of it at a simple human level, it was sad.

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Speaker 2: I've covered the last three US elections, from Biden's vice

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Speaker 2: presidential debates in twenty twelve through to his win in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. I was in a freezing Delaware car park

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Speaker 2: on election night four years ago. And I've long felt

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Speaker 2: personally that age alone is no reason for someone not

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Speaker 2: to be president. You can't say that someone's too old

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Speaker 2: to be president, but instead that a lack of them

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Speaker 2: and vigor most certainly is age. Isn't the concern competency is.

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Speaker 2: I've taken time to get to this point, Like twelve

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Speaker 2: months ago, you know, I thought that Biden might be

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Speaker 2: able to dispel the criticisms and the noise. Now, comparing

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Speaker 2: that debate performance with his debates from just four years ago,

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Speaker 2: I cannot see a way in which he recovers his campaign.

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Speaker 2: If the Democrats are going to win the election in November,

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Speaker 2: they need a new candidate. It's got to be someone young,

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Speaker 2: someone relatively centrist. Whatever it takes to pressure Biden to

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Speaker 2: stand down, they must do it, and do it now.

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Speaker 2: If you step back, there are maybe a couple of

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Speaker 2: positives in this. Just imagine for a moment if this

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Speaker 2: wasn't an abnormally early election debate. That was one of

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Speaker 2: the things that really distinguished this debate. It's way earlier

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Speaker 2: than they would usually have them. Imagine if yesterday was

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks before the election, even though it

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Speaker 2: is an unprecedented situation, there is still time for the

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Speaker 2: Dems to scramble and to find a new candidate. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's funny in watching the debate or the fallout from

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Speaker 2: the debate and imagining what's going to happen if Biden

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Speaker 2: does stand down. I was reminded of our own election

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Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, when Andrew Little stepped aside and Jinder

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Speaker 2: Ardun became Labour's leader. You know, she enjoyed that huge

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Speaker 2: surge in popularity just Sinda Mania. It is totally possible

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Speaker 2: to imagine a world in which a new Democrat candidate

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Speaker 2: would experience something similar. Can't be Biden, can't be Karmela Harris.

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Speaker 2: And look, even if a new candidate didn't experience a

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Speaker 2: just sinder Mania effect, even if a new candidate was

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Speaker 2: defeated come November and lost to Trump, would the result

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Speaker 2: honestly be any worse for the Democrats than that which

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Speaker 2: they're heading towards right now. It's, as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 2: either Joe Biden stands aside or Joe Biden will be defeated.

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