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Speaker 1: So we're trying to patch up the falling out we've

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Speaker 1: had with the Cooks. Winston Peter said to meet with

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Speaker 1: the Cooks p and Mark Brown follows a private meeting

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Speaker 1: the two head last week. Here we got this thirty

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Speaker 1: million dollars in aid still suspended. Of course, Doctor na

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Speaker 1: Poles is Massi University Associate professor and the Center of

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Speaker 1: Defense and Pacific Security Studies, and is with us in

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Speaker 1: a good morning good morning. Who's working harder here and

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Speaker 1: who needs to more?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think from the sound of it, both sides

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Speaker 2: are working fairly, fairly hard. It's certainly very clear that

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Speaker 2: over the past past six months, certainly that the Cook

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Speaker 2: Islands have really prioritized mending this rist. Most notably was

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Speaker 2: the appointment of the former High Commissioner to New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Croteka Wright, as head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,

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Speaker 2: and she has been explicitly instructed to rebuild Bilatal cross

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Speaker 2: between the two countries. So there's no doubt that both

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Speaker 2: sides are making it a significant effort.

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Speaker 1: And was this really about Mark Brown or about the Cooks?

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Speaker 1: Is Brown an issue or not?

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Speaker 2: Well? The issue for New Zealand was the lack of

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Speaker 2: consultation around the signing of the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership but

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Speaker 2: with China in twenty twenty five and lack of consultation.

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Speaker 2: So the issue is about expectations under the Joint Declaration

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Speaker 2: between between the two countries which were signed in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one. Cause four of that and Cause seven

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Speaker 2: stipulates consultation between the two countries. So the tension was

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Speaker 2: around expectations and understanding of the agreement and the spirit

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Speaker 1: And would you expect some sort of arrangement to be reached?

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Speaker 1: In other words, is this a meeting that's going to

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Speaker 1: come out with something tangible?

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Speaker 2: I think it, hopefully it will. The fact that we

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Speaker 2: Peters the MRK around that mattin formally or at Wes

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Speaker 2: and Peter's home released to joint the statement afterwards stating

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Speaker 2: that they had been engaged and that held a private

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Speaker 2: meeting and that they had discussed the fundamental challenges facing

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Speaker 2: the relationship, the bilateral relationship, and that political dialogue will

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Speaker 2: continue in the coming weeks. So I think that we will,

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Speaker 2: certainly we can expect to hear something positive out of this.

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Speaker 2: But whether or not this how this put the relationship

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Speaker 2: is progressing, it's less clear.

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Speaker 1: Well, hopefully we'll hear something tomorrow. Appreciate it very much.

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