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Speaker 1: Let's deal with what's going on with the teachers now.

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Speaker 1: The government's almost doubled its payoffer to secondary school teachers.

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Speaker 1: They're now being offered a pay rise of two and

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Speaker 1: a half percent, then another two a year later. But

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Speaker 1: they want to increase the number of days that teachers

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Speaker 1: can be called in outside of term time and remove

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Speaker 1: the right to reimbursement for childcare and mileage. PBTA President

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Speaker 1: Chris Abercrombie is with US high Chris, I'm well, thank

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Speaker 1: you do not like this deal.

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Speaker 2: It still doesn't meet the major issues at the heart

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Speaker 2: of it, that need for salaries, condition to keep skilled

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Speaker 2: and experience teachers in the job, and to lead schools

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Speaker 2: and students through the government's changes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so basically, in a nutshell, not enough pay.

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Speaker 2: It's not just pay, but I mean that that's not

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Speaker 2: enough it it's still below inflation. But there's a whole

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Speaker 2: Hebrew areas. Admin addressed our concerns around partial care, concerns

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Speaker 2: around curriculum support, and all of those areas. They have

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Speaker 2: potessional development around the curriculum well curriculum support. So there's

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Speaker 2: nothing in there for our head to department, the people

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Speaker 2: that are effectively going to be implementing or leading the

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Speaker 2: curriculum implementation and assessment implication in our schools. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: in this for them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how do you feel about them morning to increase

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Speaker 1: the number of days that teachers can be called in

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Speaker 1: outside of term time.

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Speaker 2: I think with that in the combination of removing the

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Speaker 2: re embarrassments, it's not actually helpful and wonce again solve

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Speaker 2: the problems we're trying to address.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're gonna advise your members to reject this.

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Speaker 2: Yes we are, yep. So now our national executive is

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Speaker 2: recommended be rejected. But members obviously teachers can vote anyway

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Speaker 2: they want, but that is the recommendation from executive.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And do you think that your members majority will

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Speaker 1: support you in your position?

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Speaker 2: I think so. So one of the conversations I have

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Speaker 2: have we had to see your teachers and continue to have,

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Speaker 2: is that this doesn't meet what they need, what they

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Speaker 2: see happening every single day in schools.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chris, listen, thanks very much, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Chris ab with Crombi PPTA present.

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