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Speaker 1: Digging through the spithens to find the real story.

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Speaker 2: Egoring.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy on Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today

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Speaker 4: the minister on why he is ditching plans to tax

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Speaker 4: Google and Facebook. We're going to get an experts take

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Speaker 4: on how much longer Israel can ignore the international pressure

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Speaker 4: to let that food into gaza in a significant way,

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Speaker 4: and our exports are absolutely smashing it. So we're going

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Speaker 4: to tell you that.

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Speaker 2: Good news, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: So was Tonkin and Taylor Wright to apologize to Winston

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Speaker 4: Peters for the employee heckling him? Yes, of course they were.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to get associated with that

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Speaker 4: kind of behavior, do they. This guy was wearing a

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Speaker 4: work lanyard. It clearly identified him as a staffer. I

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Speaker 4: had after mentioning it on the show yesterday, I had

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Speaker 4: his name and photo land in my inbox at four

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Speaker 4: forty one, that is yesterday afternoon, obviously, which is to say,

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Speaker 4: the reason I'm telling you this is that people it

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Speaker 4: didn't take people very long to figure out who he

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Speaker 4: was and who he works for, and if Tonkin and

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Speaker 4: Taylor had said nothing rightly or wrongly, there would be

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Speaker 4: people who would assume that they were fine with his behavior,

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Speaker 4: or perhaps even that they shared his views. So it

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Speaker 4: was actually a reputational risk for them to remain quiet,

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Speaker 4: and they were right to publicly distance themselves from him,

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Speaker 4: and an apology to Winston seems like a perfect, perfectly

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Speaker 4: reasonable way of publicly distancing themselves from him. I think

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Speaker 4: it is also perfectly reasonable for them to call old

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Speaker 4: mate Bollocks into the office and remind him not to

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Speaker 4: embarrass them when he's wearing a work lanyard. I think

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Speaker 4: that also seems like a fair thing to do. But

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Speaker 4: I think that is where it needs to end. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the Free Speech Union raise some very decent points. He

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Speaker 4: should not be punished or fired for what he did.

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Speaker 4: He is entitled to his views. He's entitled to make

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Speaker 4: a complete dick of himself in his own time if

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Speaker 4: he wants to, which obviously he did want to do.

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Speaker 4: His free speech on this matter should be defended, but

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Speaker 4: so should the free speech of the chief executive who

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Speaker 4: did like what she saw and wanted to say she

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Speaker 4: was sorry on behalf of her company. Free speech cuts

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Speaker 4: both ways.

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Speaker 2: Ever, dup see Ellen nineteen nine.

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Speaker 4: Two text number standard text fees apply. Now looks like

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Speaker 4: we're going to be hit or already being hit by

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Speaker 4: the problems that we have with shortages of ADHD medication.

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Speaker 4: What's been going on is that there is a survey

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Speaker 4: that suggests about one half of people who are actually

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Speaker 4: prescribed ADHD medication cannot access at the moment. Darren Bull

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Speaker 4: is the chairperson of ADHD New Zealand and with us. Now,

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Speaker 4: Hey Darren, hi, Heather, how are you going very well?

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Speaker 4: Thank you? Apparently people are worried about losing their jobs

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Speaker 4: if they can't get a hold of this medication. Is

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Speaker 4: that reasonable?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there are some of our members who've taught to

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Speaker 5: us about the pressure they face without having access to

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Speaker 5: the medication, and we do hear that. We also hear

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Speaker 5: stories about people in the university and schools also straggling.

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Speaker 5: Just to correct their opening statement, we're not saying that

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Speaker 5: fifty percent or so on medication are missing out. Those

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Speaker 5: were those who highlighted in our survey how many people

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Speaker 5: were having problems because of it.

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Speaker 4: What's the difference.

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Speaker 5: It's just a small symp size. We went through basically

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Speaker 5: putting a quantitative study around the stories that we're hearing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now, now I'm asking you what's the difference between

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Speaker 4: what I said and what you said? What's material there?

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Speaker 4: Because we want to get this right.

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Speaker 5: So there are approximately fifty five thousand New Zealanders on medication.

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Speaker 5: Not all of them are heaving shortages. Those who are

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Speaker 5: having shortages are the ones that are suffering or right struggling.

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Speaker 4: Fair enough, Now, what is going on, Darren? Why are

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Speaker 4: people Why do we have this shortage? Is this a

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Speaker 5: No, it's manufacturing dropping off. This is a global issue.

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Speaker 5: It's just not New Zealand that there are particular issues

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Speaker 5: It's been going on for about a year, so it's

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Speaker 4: Is there a case of overprescription as well?

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Speaker 5: Look, certainly there is an increase in demand worldwide with

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Speaker 5: New Zealand. There was a Tiger University research which came

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Speaker 5: highlighted a huge treatment gap in New Zealand where apo

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Speaker 5: point six percent of the adult population was receiving treatment

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Speaker 5: for ADHD. But we estimate that two point six percent

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Speaker 5: really hard to get a diagnosis. So we don't think

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Speaker 5: it's over prescribed or over if you like it easier.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how bad is it these people who are getting

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm talking to a community that doesn't seem

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Speaker 5: but we have little evidence of that. I hasten to

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Speaker 5: add it's illegal and if you do have a shortage,

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Speaker 5: you can't get the medication you need. Your first port

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Speaker 5: of core needs to be your chief.

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Speaker 4: I just just got a text from Ben that says

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Speaker 4: my neighbors just got raided by the cops for selling

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Speaker 4: their ADHD ritz meds. Twenty dollars a pill. Is the

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Speaker 4: going rate? Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Some I haven't heard that. I'm surprised about that, and

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Speaker 5: surely the police have other things to look at.

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Speaker 4: No, No, you won't know, Darren, you won't know about that.

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Speaker 4: Is twenty dollars a pill the going rate.

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Speaker 5: No, I haven't heard that at all, that at all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Darren, thanks very much, really appreciate it,

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Speaker 4: Darren Bull chairperson ADHD and said, I won't name any names,

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Speaker 4: saying it's making their life really awesome. Yeah, we'll just

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Speaker 4: leave it at that. So it's definitely happening out there,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's happening at quite a rate judging

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Speaker 4: by what I'm hearing. Anyway. Elon Musk now Elon Musk

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Speaker 4: has decided that he's going to dial back how much

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Speaker 4: he spends on his political donations. He's speaking to an

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Speaker 4: He said, if I see a reason to do political

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Speaker 4: spending in the future, I will do it. I do

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Speaker 4: not currently see a reason. Probably why he doesn't see

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Speaker 4: a reason as because he's really achieved his aims. He

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Speaker 4: That's New Zealand, basically half a bill on getting Trump

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Speaker 4: in Trump's and what more is there to do?

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Speaker 6: Fourteen past four it's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full

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Speaker 6: Talk Hoosters with me, Hello Dars, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 7: I miss you already. I'm sitting in you world chair,

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Speaker 7: the dogs on the couch.

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Speaker 4: I did you know what? Okay? So I'm I'm obviously

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Speaker 4: and did you know that I was in Wellington?

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Speaker 7: Darcy, Well, you're not here. I was presuming there's a

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Speaker 7: budget coming out, so I suppose you'd migrate down to

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Speaker 7: the halls of powder talking about it makes sense you.

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Speaker 4: Were already here to just keeping our place for budget tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: But I did say to everybody, don't let Darcy touch

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Speaker 4: any of the buttons in that studio because I'm connected remotely,

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Speaker 4: so don't touch hands off. Please wait to turn my

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Speaker 4: mic on, Heather. Apart from that, I cannot believe that

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Speaker 4: the Super Rugby officials have admitted that they got it

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Speaker 4: wrong on the field with that blinking try in the

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Speaker 4: Muana pacifica game.

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Speaker 8: It's a brave new world, isn't it. These guys for

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Speaker 8: doing this, what doing what well for saying that we

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Speaker 8: made a mess and we'd been a look at this

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Speaker 8: Because it was a mess. It slowed the whole game down.

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Speaker 8: It took nearly a couple of minutes. Look, Hardie Save,

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Speaker 8: I thought he knew it was going on. The referee

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Speaker 8: going on. The third official, fourth officiality you call them

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Speaker 8: So the mistake was made.

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Speaker 7: And what it says about the new laws, because they've

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Speaker 7: the day, is that if I talked Elliott Smith about that,

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Speaker 7: commentator who don't know what's going on, there is a problem.

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Speaker 9: With your law.

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Speaker 7: So sort it out. So they put their hand up

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Speaker 7: and they're going to go to World Rugby or maybe

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Speaker 4: Let's get to the nitty gritty here. So what happened

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Speaker 4: was actually that so that try was disallowed in the

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Speaker 4: fifty fifth minute because old mate who's running up the wing,

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Speaker 10: Right correct, They got missed.

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Speaker 4: after that, which means that that foot on the line

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Speaker 4: this question to you, this is my question to you.

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Speaker 4: If old mate sitting in the box upstairs, the TMO

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Speaker 4: that phase and go all the way back to fifty

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Speaker 4: see the change in possession?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the problem is with this law is

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Speaker 7: it's in two parts. It's around when the transgression took place,

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Speaker 7: at what stage in the build up, and how it's applied.

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Speaker 4: He either doesn't know the rules, Darcy, or he didn't

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Speaker 4: see the change in possession.

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Speaker 7: No, he would have seen that. I believe from talking

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Speaker 7: a bit convoluted when it comes to the stoppage and

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Speaker 7: So there was nothing really definitive. It was an odd situation,

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Speaker 7: but they didn't know. They couldn't handle it. And all

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Speaker 7: I can say is thank goodness I didn't.

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Speaker 4: Mouse down seat. I opened the show with this on

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Speaker 4: Monday because it frustrated me so much. I got a

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Speaker 4: lot of text saying, shut up, you don't know anything

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Speaker 4: about rugby because you're a girl. Can you beat me

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Speaker 4: your time?

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Speaker 8: I'm not a girl, Okay?

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Speaker 4: Can you back me up on this? Though? If the

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Speaker 4: are we as fans supposed to understand the rules? Therefore,

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Speaker 4: the rules are dumb and need to be whittled right down.

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Speaker 12: You got to watch.

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Speaker 7: I mean, come on, you've got to what's so what

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Speaker 7: Change, breakdown and the turnover, Amze. The game is on

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Speaker 4: Oh you are bollocks.

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Speaker 7: Watch the game and come back to me any game

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Speaker 4: Okay, thanks Darca Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk cost seven o'clock tonight. Bollocks.

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Speaker 4: You nap off, No, you nap off. If you don't

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Speaker 6: Four twenty two getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

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Speaker 4: That'd be four twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Heather.

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Speaker 4: I think you're both missing the point. The actual rule

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Speaker 4: yet it should have been a try. That's nuts. No, Daniel, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: They passed the ball. They passed the ball, the Blues

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Speaker 12: Why?

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Speaker 4: Why are we having this discussion? Because the rugby rules suck?

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Speaker 4: My bad? Hither you got to write too right? Thank you.

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Speaker 4: That's the text from old mate who on Monday sent

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Speaker 4: I like you again. Hither I'm with you. It's awful.

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Speaker 4: Hither it's like watching paint drying with you. Hither go

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Speaker 4: Forever there we go. We don't even need to talk

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Speaker 1: Headlines next putting the challenging questions to the people. At

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Speaker 2: Guy who love your week?

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Speaker 2: It's the World Wires on News Talks Eddy Drive.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump has announced plans to put weapons in space

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Speaker 15: We have officially selected an architecture for this state of

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Speaker 2: Part of it.

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Speaker 4: Over to Australia. More details have come out about that

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Speaker 4: coalition split National's leader David Little Proud told Laura Jayson

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Speaker 16: The National Party should not have to walk away from

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Speaker 17: Is this just a game of chicken?

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Speaker 2: No, this is a matter of principle.

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Speaker 4: And finally, Pitper Peg has a new sister, baby sister,

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Speaker 2: After Mummy pigs aunt Evie.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 4: Jen Mitchenson US Correspondents with US Eloden hell or Heather.

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Speaker 4: You people get Pitper Pig over there in the US.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 18: I don't think it's as big as it is in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you don't want it because it's like crack

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Speaker 18: have access to the vaccines, but those that are younger

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Speaker 18: may have to go through a little bit more paperwork,

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Speaker 18: or maybe the doctor is going to have to ask

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Speaker 18: a few more questions before they just say right here,

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Speaker 18: you go go take.

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Speaker 4: It care not fine? Is that what you do with

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Speaker 4: every other jab? You do that with the flu jab,

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Speaker 4: you do it with all the other stuff.

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Speaker 18: I think it really is up to everybody. I mean

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Speaker 18: I never used to ever get the flu jab until

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Speaker 18: about four or five five years ago, and it just

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Speaker 18: became so bad that I thought the flu was actually

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Speaker 18: worse than when I got COVID because it took me three.

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Speaker 4: Years to get That's why you thought it, because yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was.

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Speaker 18: I had had the flu and I don't know how long.

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Speaker 18: But boy, once you get it, it's like shingles. You

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Speaker 18: don't want to get shingles again, so you go and

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Speaker 18: get the shingles vaccine.

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Speaker 4: Totally. I lay there when I had the flu one time.

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Speaker 4: I think I've only had it twice in my life,

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Speaker 4: but I lay there going, oh, now I understand why

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Speaker 4: people die from this. This is intense.

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Speaker 12: Hi.

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Speaker 4: Did you were you a big fan of Cheers?

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Speaker 18: I was talking to your producer Laura. Yes, I am

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Speaker 18: a huge Cheers fan, and I was actually really emotional

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Speaker 18: when I heard about George went and why do we

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Speaker 18: get like this when these are people that we have

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Speaker 18: never met in person, who we really don't have any

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Speaker 18: interaction with except through our television set. But I mean,

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Speaker 18: he was in a lot of movies and shows, but

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Speaker 18: Cheers plain norm is his you know, iconic role. I mean,

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Speaker 18: here's here's one of the clips from the show.

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Speaker 19: I am no longer in the employer of Goldstein, Bornman

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Speaker 19: and Power Kurmi.

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Speaker 20: I discovered that so.

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Speaker 19: Called medical corporation was a polite term for den of thieves.

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Speaker 19: They're in the business of cheating on taxes. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 19: so you resigned in protest. Uh huh, Well, I took

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Speaker 19: a long lunch in the candy.

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Speaker 2: I mean his call. He was seventy six.

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Speaker 18: His cause of death wasn't announced. They found him in bed, apparently.

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Speaker 18: And this was a show that was kind of like

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Speaker 18: mash was over here. It took a couple of seasons

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Speaker 18: to get going, but then it was appointment television. And

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Speaker 18: it just kills me that your your producer had to

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Speaker 18: rub it into me and say, oh, I was only

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Speaker 18: one year old when that show ended, So should I

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Speaker 18: go back and start watching it. I'm like, yes, you

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Speaker 18: should go back and start wing.

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Speaker 2: Know how old you were.

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Speaker 13: It was.

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Speaker 4: Were you going to say something else about it?

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Speaker 18: No?

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Speaker 20: I was just going to say it was.

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Speaker 18: It was just one of those shows that I think

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Speaker 18: really kind of brought the country together back before streaming

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Speaker 18: and everybody could just record something. You know, you had

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Speaker 18: to be there a nine o'clock on a Thursday night

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Speaker 18: and then you talk about it the next day at work,

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Speaker 18: you do on a Friday in the office. And we

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Speaker 18: don't have a lot of shows like that anymore because

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Speaker 18: everybody can watching they want.

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Speaker 4: They're all nostalgia. Okay, even remember the time I went,

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Speaker 4: all right, Dan, thank you very much, go and enjoy yourself.

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Speaker 4: That's Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent. I could tell. I could

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Speaker 4: just tell he wasn't finished reminiscing about that. A By

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Speaker 4: the way, actually, can I say I have we need

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Speaker 4: to discuss Shit's Creek? At some stage I think, well,

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Speaker 4: I don't have time for it right now. But I

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Speaker 4: have been very unkind about Shit's Creek. And then when

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Speaker 4: I was a maternity leave, I found out had a

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Speaker 4: lot of time. So I decided to, you know, finish

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Speaker 4: all six seasons and it gets got a like, it

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Speaker 4: gets really good. I definitely was unfair. What about the

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Speaker 4: bit where Alexis does her song A little bit of Lexus.

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Speaker 4: I've watched it about thousand times. It's brilliant. Anyway, listen,

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Speaker 4: I've got some rare good news for you on the

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Speaker 4: business front. Our exporters are absolutely smashing it. Our trade

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Speaker 4: surplus last month was one point four billion dollars. Now

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Speaker 4: that compares to a deficit of twelve million dollars last April.

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Speaker 4: And only four times have we struck a monthly surplus

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Speaker 4: over one billion dollars. The two most recent were in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty. So things are doing well. And what it is,

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Speaker 4: It often happens in April because there's an overlap of

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Speaker 4: the dairy and the food fruit industry seasons. But also

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Speaker 4: it's basically you know that butter that you're paying for

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Speaker 4: and you're resenting the price of butter, and that's what's

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Speaker 4: helping us on this. But so it's making us quite

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Speaker 4: a lot of money as a country. We'll do politics now.

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Speaker 4: Oh and I do need to say we are going

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Speaker 4: to talk actually about this with Export New Zealand, just

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Speaker 4: to really savor the moment in about half an hour's time.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, next we'll do politics at sixteen away.

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Speaker 1: From five Politics with centric credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: Jason, are you there?

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Speaker 14: I am Hello?

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Speaker 21: Oh you ah?

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Speaker 22: You for a second, hello hello, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So what's going on here? Is Winston just relaxed about

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Speaker 4: what happens to this heckler or is he actually going

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Speaker 4: for him?

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Speaker 22: Well he doesn't see, he says publicly he doesn't really

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Speaker 22: care what happens, and it's up to Tompkin and Taylor

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Speaker 22: when it comes to sort of deciding the fate of

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Speaker 22: this individual. If you are unclear about what Heather and

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Speaker 22: I are talking about. This was the exchange that Winston Peters,

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Speaker 22: the Deputy Prime Minister, had with a member of public

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Speaker 22: yesterday at a Wellington at Wellington's railway station.

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Speaker 3: Bollocks.

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Speaker 2: Load of would have like, what's gone up in the mirror? Sunshine?

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Speaker 3: You look like you like Bollock's mate, Sunjoint Even.

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Speaker 22: It's just every time I listened to it, I'm like,

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Speaker 22: that's our deputy prime minister and some random dude at

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Speaker 22: a train station.

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Speaker 4: It's it's just, it's very fine.

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Speaker 22: I should have checked if I'm allowed to say the

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Speaker 22: word bollocks on radio before I played that, but anyway,

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Speaker 22: too late. And this member of the public, he was

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Speaker 22: wearing a Tomkin and Taylor Lanyard at the time an

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Speaker 22: the smartest thing to do in this age where everything

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Speaker 22: is being filmed. Now, it might have just flown under

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Speaker 22: the radar if it wasn't for the fact the person

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Speaker 22: that he was having a crack at was one with

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Speaker 22: Winston Raymond Peters. In an interview with Hosking this morning,

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Speaker 22: Winston really dug in saying that he wouldn't feel bad

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Speaker 22: for the man who was heckling him if he lost

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Speaker 22: his job. Now heading out of the house today, Winston

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Speaker 22: was pretty unapologetic.

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Speaker 3: But on the personal free speech now it filthy fell

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Speaker 3: expleted leaden vitriol is not free speech and if you

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Speaker 3: think it is, you guys got a new standard.

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Speaker 22: And Liz, I do have to disagree with him here.

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Speaker 22: It doesn't matter what you're saying. It's still free speech.

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Speaker 22: So it can be as dirty as you want, as

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Speaker 22: long as what you're saying is you know you have

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Speaker 22: the right to say it. I think you know the

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Speaker 22: more you're not free from consequences, rather than you can

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Speaker 22: say what you want. But the Prime Minister wasn't particularly

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Speaker 22: worried about it either.

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Speaker 23: Oh look, I mean as Winston and he's been operating

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Speaker 23: in Parliament for forty something years.

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Speaker 5: He's got a different style, but yeah, he's a very

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Speaker 5: affictive politician.

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Speaker 24: He's a very afficted leader.

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Speaker 25: Now.

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Speaker 22: I don't know how many times I've heard the Prime

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Speaker 22: Minister say, oh, it's Winston being Winston so far into

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Speaker 22: this term, but I think we're getting up there. I'm

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Speaker 22: gonna have to start counting on more than two hands.

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Speaker 4: Now do we actually know what?

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Speaker 21: I mean?

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Speaker 4: The thing is, from what I can understand, Tomkin and

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Speaker 4: Taylor have apologized to Winston and they are conducting an

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Speaker 4: investigation into I suppose a breach of the code of

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Speaker 4: conduct policy anything else. Any Is there actually any suggestion

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Speaker 4: that anything else is going to happen to this guy?

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Speaker 22: Well, I mean, I guess, looking at it kind of objectively,

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Speaker 22: he has brought the company into a bit of disrepute.

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Speaker 22: I mean this has now been played across z B

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Speaker 22: on stuff on New Zealand Herald, all sorts of media

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Speaker 22: outlets and of course the news channels as well. So

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Speaker 22: I mean, you know there's there could be some course

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Speaker 22: of action there. But you know, without being that familiar

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Speaker 22: with Tomkin and Taylor's code of conduct, I can't tell you.

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Speaker 4: All right, So it's obviously becoming a strategy for Nicola

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Speaker 4: right to print budgets with really boring covers to kind

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Speaker 4: of underscore that this is her job and this is

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Speaker 4: the only thing she's interested in, not the frelea stup.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I was.

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Speaker 22: Grant robertson when because we go to these things right

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Speaker 22: every year, the day before the budget where they take

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Speaker 22: us out to the printing press and they hold up

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Speaker 22: the budget and then we all say what's in the

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Speaker 22: budget and they say you have to wait one more

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Speaker 22: sleep nine of them now, so I'm a bit of

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Speaker 22: an expert in them. But they're not glossy like they

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Speaker 22: were in the previous years. There isn't some photo of

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Speaker 22: some family smiling or some lovely picturesque landscape. It just

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Speaker 22: has the boring sort of estimates of the appropriation of

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Speaker 22: budget twenty twenty five, twenty six. But you know, Nikola

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Speaker 22: Willis has been throwing around this no BS budget. She

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Speaker 22: is not really telling us what the BS stands for.

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Speaker 22: But one of the things is it's not a bubblet

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Speaker 22: budget surplus budget. I can tell you that much because

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Speaker 22: we won't be seeing one of those for this financial year. Tomorrow,

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Speaker 22: but she did have a bit of a preview for us.

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Speaker 22: When we're talking to her today and my very.

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Speaker 26: First press release, you'll see how much savings we have

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Speaker 26: delivered from pay equity and how we've allocated that to

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Speaker 26: our operating and capital allowances and what we're investing that,

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Speaker 26: and I can give you a preview. Those savings are

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Speaker 26: being invested in education services and better health services, more

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Speaker 26: funding for our police, rebuilding New Zealand's to feel capability.

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Speaker 22: So we'll find out more about that tomorrow. But in

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Speaker 22: the House today, Nikola Willis was channeling a little bit

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Speaker 22: of John Key when she was talking about Labour's proposals

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Speaker 22: to the budget.

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Speaker 26: If they keep committing to every single spending then this

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Speaker 26: is the question now that he paced with, show me

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Speaker 26: the money.

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Speaker 22: And you'll remember Nikola Willis actually worked in John Key's

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Speaker 22: office when he delivered this line during the twenty eleven

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Speaker 22: debate with then Labor leader Phil Goff.

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Speaker 12: Does show me the money, show me the money.

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Speaker 22: I got to Nikola. She wasn't done. She got a

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Speaker 22: closing lick in on the Green Party during her general

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Speaker 22: debate speech by taking a crack at their alternative budget and.

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Speaker 26: Jesspra thought also for Chloe's Wolbrick. She wants to save

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Speaker 26: a planet that she doesn't even live.

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Speaker 22: On, so she was in full flight today.

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Speaker 4: That's actually good.

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Speaker 24: Hey, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Jason appreciated Jason Wall's news dogs he'd be politically to hate.

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Speaker 4: Bumped into Mark Mitchell today. I'm gonna tell you about that.

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Speaker 4: Next away from five, putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 23: Breakfast, Winston Peters is well, as my understanding is the

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Speaker 23: Golden Visa's working in the res interest. The Prime Minister

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Speaker 23: told us on Monday that you had discussions and they

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Speaker 23: came up to five or six million dollars next to

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Speaker 23: no houses in this country as sold at five or

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Speaker 23: six million dollars. Let them buy a place, invest in

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Speaker 23: the country and get.

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Speaker 16: On with it.

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Speaker 3: We have not got that bridge of view and the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister should not be discussing out negotiations with you.

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Speaker 23: Well, all I did was asking a question as to

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Speaker 23: what the hold up? And you set the hold up

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Speaker 23: to you and you're having a negotiation. I just don't

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Speaker 23: understand the logic. I get your logic around say two million.

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Speaker 23: I understand that I'm time to run a radio program

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Speaker 23: in the country, for God's sake. But this seems to

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Speaker 23: me that you're not far apart.

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Speaker 2: Why can't you sort it and just get on with it?

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Speaker 23: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 23: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: It's five away from five. Just really quickly on what's

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Speaker 4: going on in Gaza.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 4: If you've been following the situation with Garza, you'll know

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Speaker 4: it's getting to something of a well it's been a

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Speaker 4: humanitarian crisis for a while, but it is really getting

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Speaker 4: quite seria right now. The doctors have been warning that

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Speaker 4: unless food gets and there are gonna be babies dying

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Speaker 4: all over the show and stuff like. It's just not

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Speaker 4: enough food anyway. Winston Peters has signed basically a declaration

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Speaker 4: calling on Israel to let those trucks in. He's done

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Speaker 4: it with twenty three other countries and he's very serious

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Speaker 4: about this once to see, it's not symbolic. It is

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Speaker 4: about actually getting some action. Eight trucks are slowly starting

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Speaker 4: to trickle into Gaza. We're gonna have a little chat

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Speaker 4: to the Sky News correspondent over there in that part

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Speaker 4: of the world and just find out exactly what's going on,

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Speaker 4: whether this pressure is enough actually to get some action

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Speaker 4: taken now four away from five. So in Wellington, right,

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Speaker 4: So I go to the airport today in Auckland, and

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Speaker 4: I go into the COREW club and in the Coraw

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Speaker 4: Club there are all of these little girls wearing exactly

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Speaker 4: the same outfit. Like it's not a school uniform. It's

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Speaker 4: like it's like a pink like a full pink outfit

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Speaker 4: with like very unicorn vibes on it. It's about five

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Speaker 4: there were actually five of them. There were five of them,

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Speaker 4: all clearly sisters, like maybe eight years and and so on.

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Speaker 4: And then there was another baby around the place and stuff,

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Speaker 4: and I saw them because it's hard to miss all

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Speaker 4: the pink kids running around anyway. Then I look up

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Speaker 4: and there's Mike Mitchell. So I say to Mark Mitchell, look,

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Speaker 4: aren't these guys cute? And he goes there with me

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Speaker 4: and I said to him, what's going on here? And

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Speaker 4: he said their dad, He said, I bumped into them

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Speaker 4: out in the corn course. It's mum and Auntie and

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Speaker 4: grandma and the five girls and a little baby boy.

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Speaker 4: And he bumped out, bumped into them out on the

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Speaker 4: concourse and found out that in fact what's going on

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Speaker 4: his dad is graduating from the Police College tomorrow, so

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Speaker 4: they're flying down to Wellington.

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Speaker 12: So do you know what this is?

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Speaker 4: This is if you ever wondered whether Mark Mitchell is

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Speaker 4: as lovely in person as he is on the radio,

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Speaker 4: and I can testified it because I actually know him

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Speaker 4: reasonably well. He is that lovely. So he got all

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Speaker 4: of them into the Coral Club, talked to the ladies

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Speaker 4: at there in New Zealand, got them into the Coral Club,

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Speaker 4: and then he carried their bags onto the plane, helped

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Speaker 4: them get on the plane, and then afterwards help them

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Speaker 4: get off the plane again. Because you can imagine like

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Speaker 4: Mum and Auntie and Granny with six cas, that's a

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Speaker 4: lot to wrangle. Mark Mitchell's there to help them out.

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Speaker 4: So what a decent bloke. I mean, how about setting

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Speaker 4: the example for the rest of us A anyway, I

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Speaker 4: thought you should know that that's what he's like. Simon

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Speaker 4: Wat's Revenue Minister.

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Speaker 1: Next questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good afternoon. The government has which the Digital Services

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Speaker 4: Tax Bill. This means they're not going to try to

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Speaker 4: make Google and Facebook's own a meta and various other

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Speaker 4: tech companies pay more tax than New Zealand. Simon Watts

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Speaker 4: is the Revenue Minister. High Simon Hey, very good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Hither so did the Trump administration put you off?

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 16: Ats a fecta that we took into account. Obviously the

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Speaker 16: recent developments that have been going on, including those in

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Speaker 16: the US, have naturally formed part of our assessment.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I took a

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Speaker 2: look at this tax.

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Speaker 16: We've been looking at it a bit, and it's got

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Speaker 16: some real drawbacks and we've made the decision to pull

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Speaker 16: it from their gender.

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Speaker 4: Did Trump administration talk to you guys one on one

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Speaker 4: or are you just reading the tea leaves from comments

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Speaker 4: they've made.

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Speaker 16: No, they're no discussion one on one on this specific matter.

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Speaker 16: But you know, the reality is as you would expect.

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Speaker 16: You know, we're taking a look naturally at all of

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Speaker 16: the factors going on. I think the thing about this

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Speaker 16: tax is it's got a number of drawbacks. It doesn't

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Speaker 16: actually tax profit, it actually tax income or losses. So

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Speaker 16: a company could actually be in losses and be still

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Speaker 16: subject to the tax. UK put in place this in

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Speaker 16: twenty twenty and what they found is actually the tax

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Speaker 16: has got passed on to consumers. And you know that's

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Speaker 16: a big issue for us in the cost of living crisis.

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Speaker 16: And you know, I had a number of concerns on

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Speaker 16: the actual underlying drawbacks of the tax, but it's a

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Speaker 16: big number on our now P and L, and hence

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Speaker 16: we wanted to make sure we kick the tires on

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Speaker 16: that before we pulled it. The other big thing is

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Speaker 16: actually in April the OECD grouping of countries, which about

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Speaker 16: one hundred and forty countries, have made an agreement to

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Speaker 16: support a multilateral solution. I'm watching New Zealand's part of

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Speaker 16: and our viewer is that's a better way to progress

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Speaker 16: on that, and so that work's going to probably pick

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Speaker 16: up in the next months to year to come and

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Speaker 16: hopefully brings a much more enduring solution to this problem.

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Speaker 4: I think it's actually going to happen, though, I mean,

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Speaker 4: because multilateral things hardly ever actually bear fruit.

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Speaker 16: Well, it is hard to say, right, I mean, you're right.

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Speaker 16: The chipneys are challenging and ongoing conversations. But as I said,

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Speaker 16: you know, the one hundred and forty countries did make

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Speaker 16: a call in April of this year to say, hey.

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Speaker 18: We're going to work on it.

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Speaker 16: The technical works actually all been done. It's now ready

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Speaker 16: for the countries to get some agreement on it. That's

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Speaker 16: a lot better than where it was in the past.

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Speaker 4: I mean, do we just need to accept that. Look,

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Speaker 4: we'd all love to tax Google and Facebook, but probably

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Speaker 4: just never will be able to.

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Speaker 16: Well, look, the reality is, you know it might sound good,

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Speaker 16: but those that tax is going to get passed on

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Speaker 16: to consumers. So whether you're using Amazon or you're using

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Speaker 16: Door Dashed auto your food, you know, those text are

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Speaker 16: going to flow through to consumers. And this goverment's really

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Speaker 16: focused on making sure that we're not putting more costs

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Speaker 16: on New Zealanders and this is one example of us

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Speaker 16: taking that pressure off in the future.

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Speaker 4: Out of ten, what are the chances of power cuts

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Speaker 4: next winter?

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Speaker 2: God, next winter?

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Speaker 16: Although that's a bit you know, that's I think they're

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Speaker 16: pretty low in the context of where we are. But

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Speaker 16: I am worried about energy security. Obviously my main focus

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Speaker 16: is this winter, and obviously.

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Speaker 4: This winter we seem to be. Okay, it's next winter

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Speaker 4: that's the problem.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, but we've done a lot of actions to make

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Speaker 16: sure that this winter wasn't you know, coming into this

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Speaker 16: job back in January, this winter was at risk and

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Speaker 16: we've got a number of actions and around you know, Stockpilot,

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Speaker 16: Huntley and all of that. But yeah, next year it

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Speaker 16: remains at risk. But I'm working pretty hard with all

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Speaker 16: of the players in the market to make sure we're

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Speaker 16: mitigating that risk as much as I can. And it's

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Speaker 16: a major it is my priority in the energy portfolio.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good stuff, Simon, thanks very much, appreciate it. Simon,

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Speaker 4: Wat's Revenue Minister and obviously Energy Minister will come back

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Speaker 4: to that in the tickets eleven past five either do.

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Speaker 5: For c L.

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Speaker 4: Look, it's unclear if AID is reaching the starving people

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Speaker 4: of Gaza. Only five trucks have been let in following

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Speaker 4: international pressure, but soldiers are holding up the distribution of

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Speaker 4: the food, Israeli soldiers. Obviously. Our Foreign Minister Winston Peters

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Speaker 4: is amongst twenty four foreign ministers and leaders now reaching

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Speaker 4: the end of their patients with Israel. Alistair Buncle is

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Speaker 4: Sky News's Middle East correspondent based out of Jerusalem Alistair, Hello.

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Speaker 9: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 4: Is the food getting to people?

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Speaker 9: No, in a simple word, it's not. Israel started allowing

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Speaker 9: AID trucks in about thirty six hours ago, and some

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Speaker 9: have gone in. It's like confusing exactly how many, but

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Speaker 9: possibly even as much as ninety trucks have managed to

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Speaker 9: enter Gaza. But the UN and I haven't had an

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Speaker 9: update this morning the morning time here in Jerusalem, haven't

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Speaker 9: hadn that bit this morning, but the UN says that

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Speaker 9: none of it's yet reached Gazans. Now that'd be a

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Speaker 9: multitude of factors, but mainly because the fighting is ongoing

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Speaker 9: and these AID trucks need to be given safe passage.

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Speaker 4: Is the pressure that is mounting on Israel enough to

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Speaker 4: force it to actually in this humanitarian crisis and get

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Speaker 4: the food to the people.

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Speaker 9: It's a really good question. I mean, certainly pressure has

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Speaker 9: forced Israel to end its siege of Gaza or be

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Speaker 9: it you know, as we've just discussed, you know, in

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Speaker 9: a very limited way. But pressure has forced Israel to

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Speaker 9: allow some aid back into Gaza. That's that's for sure.

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Speaker 9: And I think that's many pressure from the Americans, will

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Speaker 9: pressure from you know, foreign Minister statements like that of

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Speaker 9: your country, the United Kingdom where I'm originally from, France,

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Speaker 9: et cetera. Will that make a difference. Will will the

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Speaker 9: statements by Kissed Armor and Emmanue Macrol? Yes, they make

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Speaker 9: a difference. I'm not convinced. I still retain the belief

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Speaker 9: that the only person who really has genuine leverage and

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Speaker 9: influence over Benny Minesnia who is Donald Trump. And at

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Speaker 9: the moment, well, at least in public, and there's some

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Speaker 9: suggestions that in private they've become very frustrated with the

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Speaker 9: Israeli government. But at the moment, in public, the White

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Speaker 9: House is not prepared to change its course.

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Speaker 4: Surely this has reached a point where with this cannot continue, Alis,

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Speaker 4: I mean, surely this is too far, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think a lot of people probably think we,

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Speaker 9: you know, the war reached that point quite a long

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Speaker 9: time ago. Certainly, the renewed defensive and the escalated offensive

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Speaker 9: that the Israelis are now conducting, coupled with the fact

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Speaker 9: that Gars has been under siege for not far off

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Speaker 9: three months now, has changed opinions in the international political

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Speaker 9: and diplomatic world quite considerably. Now, you know, We'll see

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Speaker 9: whether people follow through on threat. We'll see whether or

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Speaker 9: not the EU in Britain and others do take out

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Speaker 9: sanctions against Israel, because that would be the next stage.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, I think there is a feeling that Israel

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Speaker 9: has gone too far this time. And what I should

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Speaker 9: say is someone who has lived and reported on the

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Speaker 9: region for the last four years or so, I've noticed

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Speaker 9: that change in Israel as well. There are many Israelis,

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00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 9: probably the majority of Israelis if I'm guessing, who think

878
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 9: that this is the wrong course of action right now,

879
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 9: is not the best way to get their hostages out.

880
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 9: There is a political dynamic to it for Nettiyahu's own

881
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 9: political reasons, and they are opposed to it and the

882
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 9: damage that it's doing on their nation's reputation internationally.

883
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 4: All right, Alistair, thanks very much. He is hoping for

884
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 4: a resolution. There's Alister Buncle, Middle East correspondent for Sky.

885
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: News here the duplessy Ellen on the electricity thing.

886
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 4: I was just talking to Simon what's about. What's going

887
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: on is that, as he says, there has been an

888
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 4: effort to shore up our electricity supply for this winter,

889
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: and it looks like it has worked and there's been rained,

890
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 4: that's filled up the hydro dams and so on. But

891
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 4: next winter looks like it could be a problem all

892
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: over again because a couple of things are going to

893
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 4: come offline, which normally would provide electricity for US contact

894
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: energies Tananaky combined cycle gas fired rankin early next year

895
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: that comes off and then there is also a rank

896
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 4: and there are three rankings at Huntley. One of them

897
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 4: is going to go into retirement potentially next year as well.

898
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: What that probably means in simple terms is we continue

899
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 4: to demand electricity they cannot supply enough. We have problems

900
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: quarter pass. Hey, how good are holidays or at least

901
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: they should be right? And with Booker Batch that's how

902
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: they will be because holidays are meant for creating memories

903
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 4: with your family, not for putting up with an uninvited

904
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: stranger crashing your corrimandal escape. So when you rent a

905
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: holiday home from Booker Batch, you will always get the

906
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: whole house all to yourselves. You will never have to

907
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: worry about sharing your holiday home with an overbearing host. Ever,

908
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 4: no more host reiterating the house rules every aol day,

909
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: No more host mowing the lawns and whacking the weeds

910
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: at six am. No more hosts joining you for dinner

911
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 4: by the pool in their togs, which means that you

912
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: can stress less and enjoy more precious holiday time to get.

913
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: How good would that be? So next time our holiday

914
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 4: is on the horizon, ghost the host and plan a

915
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: trip in the perfect home that the whole family will love.

916
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 4: Make it a Booker batch together do for ce Ellen.

917
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: Nineteen past five. Just reminder, just a reminder that you

918
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: are listening to me from Wellington. This is where we are.

919
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 4: We are in Wellington, got it here a day early.

920
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 4: That's how excited we are about the budget. We are

921
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: here for the budget tomorrow, so we will be all

922
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: over it. And Nikola Willis has just confirmed you will

923
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 4: be in studio with us in Parliament at five minutes

924
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 4: past five Tomorrow's put that in your diary. It's nineteen

925
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: past five right now.

926
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 7: Now.

927
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: Our exports are smashing it. We just had a trade

928
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: suplus come in for last month one point four billion dollars.

929
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 4: That's the first time we've topped the billion dollar mark

930
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: in five years. Joshua Tan from Export New Zealander is

931
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 4: with us a Joshua.

932
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 25: Good afternoon, Heather, how are you.

933
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 4: Is this I'm well, thank you. Is this down to

934
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 4: the price of butter?

935
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 25: Well, I think there's a few different things here and

936
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 25: the result comes on the back of strong performances across

937
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 25: the food and beverage sector. Dairy is up, fruit is

938
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 25: up by about two hundred and sixty five million dollars,

939
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 25: red meat is also up about two hundred and seventy

940
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 25: million dollars, and logs and wood exports are up one

941
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 25: hundred and forty one million dollars. So from our perspective

942
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 25: as a team effort from the food and fiber sector.

943
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: Are you trying to avoid talking about the butter no

944
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: stor read Joshua, it's a good news story. I mean,

945
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 4: look at what dairy is doing. It's not just the butter,

946
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 4: is it. It's the butter and the cheese and the

947
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 4: milk powder up from six hundred and one million to

948
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 4: two point two billion.

949
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 25: That's massive, totally, and it shows that there's really strong

950
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 25: demand out Therefore, what New Zealand has to offer. Our

951
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 25: exporters earn more money overseas, they bring it back to

952
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 25: New Zealand and that can only be positive for the

953
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 25: local economy.

954
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. Now, why does it happen in April? Is

955
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: this because we've got an overlap of a couple of.

956
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 25: Seasons, Yeah, totally. So April is tradition a strong month

957
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 25: when using exports. The seasons for dairy and most fruit

958
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 25: sectors overlap, so it does mean that we've typically had

959
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 25: a bumper month in April. This one's obviously been especially strong.

960
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: What's going on with offal.

961
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 25: So offul is quite an important export in the meat sector. Obviously,

962
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 25: we want to be quite sustainable and make sure that

963
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 25: we're exporting every single part of the animal. So look,

964
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 25: there are countries out there, there are people out there,

965
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 25: including myself, who do sometimes like to eat eat.

966
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 4: Off or I guess what do you get into, Joshua.

967
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 25: It's hard to say, and I don't really want to

968
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 25: embarrass myself on national radio.

969
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 4: All embarrass myself. I like the brains because when you're

970
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 4: eating the little lamb brains, it's like, you know, it's

971
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 4: like it's all nice and mushy, and then you get

972
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: those crunchy little bits in the middle of it are

973
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: like corn flakes.

974
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 16: So what do you do.

975
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 25: If it's me at a young char restaurant, then I'll

976
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 25: get into the chicken feet and the and the tripe

977
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 25: as well.

978
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 4: And good for me. You see how what I did

979
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: there was I shared my secret to make you share

980
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 4: your secret. So thanks for playing games. As Joshua Tan

981
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 4: from Export, New Zealand, nothing wrong with a little bit

982
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: of awful, ay, not like I just can't get into

983
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: the bloods though. The blood stuff is that's just too tangy.

984
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: That's that's too much, isn't it. Butter. I'm happy to

985
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 4: make a prediction right now that I think Butter's going

986
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 4: to become our eggs, if you know what I mean.

987
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 4: How the eggs became the big thing ahead of the

988
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 4: US selection. Everybody's talking about the price of eggs, the

989
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 4: price of eggs, the price of eggs, and now people

990
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 4: are like, oh, look at you, jd Vance. You haven't

991
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: fixed the price of eggs, have yet and they're holding

992
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: it against him. I feel like butter is going to

993
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 4: become the thing that kind of you know, that symbolizes

994
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 4: the cost of living for us here in New Zealand.

995
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: So keep it eye on. That might be proven right

996
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: on at five twenty two.

997
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

998
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth dogs.

999
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: That'd be.

1000
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 4: Five twenty five. Listen. I'll tell you what was funny.

1001
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 4: Funny timing this morning, opening the hair all today and

1002
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: reading about why Targeting Hospital Emergency Department handing out those

1003
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: vouchers A because you read about it today. I heard

1004
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 4: about it for the first time yesterday because producer Laura

1005
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 4: was telling us about it. And I don't think we

1006
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 4: knew that it was going to come out in the Herald.

1007
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: Were just chatting about it, as you know, mums of kids.

1008
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: And she was telling me she lives in west Auckland

1009
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 4: and of course shares a little one and you know

1010
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: little ones mean you kind of get a lot more

1011
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 4: contact with the medical centers and stuff like that. And

1012
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 4: she'd been to the ED and she sure saw this happening,

1013
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 4: she said. The ED at y Targety Hospital has this

1014
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 4: massive electronic board that they display and it shows the

1015
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: wait times for the public ed that people are sitting in,

1016
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 4: but then they also show the wait times for the

1017
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: private White Cross which is just down the road, as

1018
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: if kind of suggesting to people, if you fit the

1019
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 4: wait times too long here, go down there. And then

1020
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 4: what they do is they also hand out the vouchers

1021
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 4: to the people and tell them to go down to

1022
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 4: the White Cross. Now I don't love this, I don't

1023
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 4: think any of us love this, but I think it

1024
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 4: is a good solution to a problem that we've gotten.

1025
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 4: The problem is that ed's are slammed. I mean, people

1026
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: waiting them for treatment for hours. It is not unusual

1027
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 4: to hear of people waiting for eight hours or twelve

1028
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 4: hours to be able to see a doctor and ED.

1029
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 4: Surely it's better to get those people seen at the

1030
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 4: White Cross next door faster, faster than them having to

1031
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 4: wait an ED, maybe getting worse and ultimately costing us more,

1032
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 4: because you know, I mean, it's not impossible that what

1033
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 4: would happen is here they're waiting an ED. If they

1034
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 4: get seen quickly, they just get a dose of oral

1035
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: antibiotics and off they go. But if they wait there

1036
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: for hours and hours and hours, it could get so

1037
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 4: much worse with fast moving things that they have to

1038
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 4: have intravenous antibiotics instead by the time they get seen,

1039
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: and they have to have a stay in hospital for that,

1040
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 4: and that will cost us thousands of dollars. So maybe

1041
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 4: that two hundred dollars hour suddenly becomes a bargain. And

1042
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 4: it's not as if it's unusual for us to rely

1043
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 4: on private care. We often use the public system that's

1044
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: paying the private guys to help them out. Now I

1045
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 4: don't love it, but I fully understand that's money that

1046
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 4: should go towards more doctors and nurses completely. But if

1047
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: there are not more doctors and nurses, then I think

1048
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 4: this is a temporary solution we may have to live

1049
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 4: with until this thing's fixed.

1050
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: Ever, dupus Ellen.

1051
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 4: Heather hagis now no, the Hagit no, that's gross. But

1052
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 4: you know what what I want to know is because

1053
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 4: we don't know between ourselves, we've just been discussing this

1054
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 4: during the ad break. Is the marrow?

1055
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 3: Is that a?

1056
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 4: Is that an awful you know when? Because awful is

1057
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 4: actually technically it's it's edible organs. So you're thinking about

1058
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: your brains and your tummies and your livers and your

1059
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 4: lungs and all kinds of weird things that people will eat, right, So, actually, hey.

1060
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 10: What kidneys as well?

1061
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 4: And kidneys to and that's oh, that's right. My granny

1062
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 4: used to love the kidneys. Grew up in the depression,

1063
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: so there's an excuse for it. But anyway, so the

1064
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 4: marrow is not technically an awful, but I would think

1065
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 4: that it is an awful. And let me tell you something.

1066
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 4: If you have not experienced roasted marrow with coriander on

1067
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 4: a slice of sour dough, you have not lived.

1068
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 17: You need.

1069
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 4: That's not poverty food. That is some classy stuff, right there.

1070
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 4: Give that a hoon. Later on listen, we're going to

1071
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 4: talk next with the Free Speech Union, who were furious

1072
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 4: about all bollocks getting in trouble with Tonkin and Taylor.

1073
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 4: We'll have a chat to them about that master Card.

1074
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 4: Now I'm going to tell you about MasterCard. And I

1075
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 4: cannot believe the brass neck of these people, so we're

1076
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 4: gonna get stuck into them. We said, come on the show,

1077
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 4: they said, no, Oh, well, like I fine, we'll talk

1078
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 4: about you. Then Headline's next Ferson over again.

1079
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Hither First,

1080
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: it's Heather dupless Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's

1081
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

1082
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 14: He'd bet you be it Dogmericay to No said, the

1083
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 14: name crazy.

1084
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 4: I Gonna do is just made me. Hither I've witnessed

1085
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 4: so many minor problems, i e. Cup fingers, colds, bruises

1086
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 4: from sports, clogging up Edie. It's ridiculous.

1087
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 16: Do you know what?

1088
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: Actually that was the other part of the story that

1089
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 4: producer Laura was telling us as well, was that she

1090
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: was an ed in white tarkeety behind a family I

1091
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Speaker 4: can't remember how many, might have been five or something

1092
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 4: like that, who had the flu, and the woman in

1093
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 4: ed said, here's some paracetamol, go home. I mean, you know, yeah,

1094
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 4: you can't account for stupidity. There's a lot of that

1095
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 4: in this country. Unfortunately, twenty three away from five Huddle

1096
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Speaker 4: is standing by going to be with us shortly right now, though,

1097
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 4: the Free Speech Union has urged Tonkin and Taylor not

1098
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 4: to take any disciplinary action against the Winston Peters heckler.

1099
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: This guy was dumb enough to heckle the Deputy Prime

1100
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Speaker 4: Minister while wearing his work lanyard, leading to his identification.

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Speaker 2: Load of pollax.

1102
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: Like, well, it's gone up in the mirror, sun charge

1103
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: you look like Bolowe's son. True, like Bollox mate.

1104
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: Now Tonkin and Taylor has apologized to Winston and is

1105
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 4: investigating the employee, Nick Hanna is from the Free Speech

1106
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 4: Union and with us, Hey, Nick, he either what's your

1107
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 4: problem with them saying sorry about it?

1108
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 12: Whether they can say sorry or they like, is it

1109
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 12: really for them to say sorry? Though we think not.

1110
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 12: I mean, this is an issue that isn't actually directly

1111
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 12: related to the work that their employee does, and of

1112
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 12: course to what they do as a company. So it

1113
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 12: just seems like a complete overreach, and I think they

1114
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 12: probably try to get ahead of any kind of reputational

1115
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,479
Speaker 12: damage they perceived might be done by putting the station.

1116
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: Reputational damage isn't there. I mean if they say if

1117
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: they say nothing, then there will be a bunch of

1118
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: people who will think that they either condone or agree

1119
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 4: or don't care.

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Speaker 12: Well, there can be reputational damage in some cases, and

1121
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 12: of course that's part of the reason codes of conduct

1122
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 12: assigned by employees. But I think the point here is

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00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 12: that the specific things that were being said in the

1124
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 12: context and the fact that it was outside of work

1125
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 12: and it had nothing to do with an engineering firm,

1126
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 12: especially the one he works for, that is very pertinent,

1127
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 12: and I you know, I really would sort of try

1128
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 12: and emphasize that we're going to not have a line

1129
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 12: anymore between work and personal expression free expression. If we

1130
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 12: continue to kind of go down this path, you know,

1131
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 12: when can you clock off if you if you can't

1132
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 12: do it on your way to work, work and express

1133
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 12: your opinion.

1134
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 4: Well, okay, The thing is sometimes, so, Nick, are you married, yes?

1135
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: I okay? So sometimes have you never had an instance

1136
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: where your wife does something and you're like, I'm assuming

1137
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 4: that you're married to a woman, by the way, or

1138
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 4: your spouse does something and you're embarrassed by it and

1139
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 4: you go to the person affected and you go, I'm sorry,

1140
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 4: they shouldn't have behaved like that, you know, to kind

1141
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: of preserve your own reputation.

1142
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 12: Well, well, of course, But the point here is that,

1143
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 12: I mean, and this is all their Tonking.

1144
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 4: And Taylor are doing, right. They have been embarrassed publicly.

1145
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 4: The guy is wearing their lanyard, so they are just

1146
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 4: all they're doing is putting up at a distance and

1147
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 4: going sorry about this guy. We're just going to get

1148
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 4: him and remind him, you know, don't do that. And

1149
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 4: what's the problem with that?

1150
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 12: Well, I think that that's the point though, is that

1151
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 12: you know, they can they can be embarrassed and they

1152
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 12: can apologize if they want. But the thing is that

1153
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 12: this guy is not at work. You know, he's not

1154
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 12: at work when he does this stuff, and he says

1155
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 12: these words, he's entitled to have a political opinion on top.

1156
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 12: And I mean clearly this kind of you know, rhetoric

1157
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 12: that's being used not just by this guy, but by

1158
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 12: people recently, you know, Andrea Vants. You can name lots

1159
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 12: of people using language that clearly doesn't elevate political discourse.

1160
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 12: That this is an issue. It's a problem, But is

1161
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 12: it your employer's problem if it has nothing to do

1162
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 12: with what they offer as a service or you know

1163
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 12: whatever as a company. I just think that we're dealing

1164
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 12: here with something that's just not relevant. It's not a

1165
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 12: reputational issue.

1166
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 4: Because it is a reputational issue. I know that you guys,

1167
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 4: I understand that you up holding a principle and I

1168
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 4: respect you for that, but you also have to live

1169
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: in the real world, and it is a reputational issue

1170
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 4: for them if they do not at least distance themselves

1171
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 4: from him, and also Nick, is it all they can?

1172
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 12: They're welcome to distance themselves, but it's not not really

1173
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 12: a disciplinary you know issue?

1174
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 4: Is it? Because I agree with you, well that I agree, that's.

1175
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 12: What that's what we're saying. That's but that's what we're saying.

1176
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 4: Okay. But so there are two things going on here

1177
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: is the disciplinary action and the apology. Now with the apology,

1178
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 4: do you accept do you agree with me? The apology

1179
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 4: is okay because actually the chief executive also has free

1180
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 4: speech and has free speech which entitles her to say sorry.

1181
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, of course we've not argued that they shouldn't

1182
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 12: apologize if they want to. Is it necessary? We don't

1183
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 12: think so.

1184
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 4: Okay. So the disciplinary matter, are you okay with T

1185
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 4: and T getting them out and going, hey, listen, don't

1186
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 4: do that with a lanyard around your neck, off you go?

1187
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 4: Is that okay with you?

1188
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 18: Well?

1189
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 12: I mean, I think the issue around the lanyard is

1190
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 12: one that actually stemmed from the media who were present

1191
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 12: at that event, going who was this guy? And then

1192
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 12: they wanted to kind of chase the story up. I

1193
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 12: don't think that they really needed to do that. And

1194
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 12: I think every time we go after people's sort of

1195
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 12: personal backgrounds and start getting into stuff that actually wasn't

1196
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 12: really relevant at the time. This guy was just one

1197
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 12: of many employees expressing a political opinion in a way

1198
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 12: that many would consider very crude. I mean it doesn't

1199
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 12: help clearly, you know, to use that kind of language.

1200
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 12: But why chase the story so far? It just seems like,

1201
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 12: you know, there are other big issues we could talking

1202
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 12: about and this has become something you know, it's a

1203
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 12: bit of a bit of a circus.

1204
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 4: Yep, I would agree with you on that, Nick, thanks

1205
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: very much. In a can free speech Union the Huddle.

1206
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find you all one

1207
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: of a kind on the.

1208
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 4: Huddle of Me You've got Connor, English, director at Wellington

1209
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: government relations firm Silver I and Mark Sainsbury Broadcast. Hello

1210
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 4: you two.

1211
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 24: Did I hear that new phone just for you?

1212
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 27: Oh?

1213
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,479
Speaker 4: Was there a problem with your last phone?

1214
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 24: You remember my ear keep hitting the mute button?

1215
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I thought that was an ear problem, not

1216
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 4: a phone problem.

1217
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 24: Well, no, the new phone. Everything's laid out in a

1218
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 24: different way. So oh look, we won't eat for another

1219
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 24: couple of months.

1220
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 4: But you know, your commitment to this show is just unrivaled.

1221
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it, says, So tell me what do

1222
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 4: you think should happen to this.

1223
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 24: Chap see see it's interesting. I mean, I think the

1224
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 24: idea looked the media. Yeah, they shouldn't publicize it. Well,

1225
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 24: what if it was a member of you know, being

1226
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 24: a member of the you know, secretary of the Labor Party,

1227
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 24: or had some vested interest. Of course the media going

1228
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 24: to sort of chase it up. But I find himself

1229
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 24: agreeing with you, actually, Heather, I think that yep, fair enough.

1230
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 24: The company is embarrassed and they want to do something

1231
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 24: about it. That it does have shades of sort of

1232
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 24: Trump and the law firms. But that's fair enough. But

1233
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 24: whether the discipline he needs a bollocking is he may

1234
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 24: well put himself for being an idiot, but I don't

1235
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 24: think it should customer's job.

1236
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 21: What do you think, Connor, Well, look, it's sort of

1237
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 21: bad manners to shout at people when they're making a

1238
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 21: six hundred million dollar announcement about investments and trains, which

1239
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 21: I think.

1240
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 4: This guy had. I'm assuming he'd just jumped off a train,

1241
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 4: so he should be grateful.

1242
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 20: Yeah, look, I yeah, well it should be.

1243
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 28: I suppose that he obviously had a view about other

1244
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 28: issues and that's distracted it. And you spend all day

1245
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 28: talking about, you know, the interacts between him and Winston so,

1246
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 28: which is a bit of a shame about the policy issue,

1247
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 28: I guess from.

1248
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 21: The from the government's perspective, but I don't think he

1249
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 21: should be fired.

1250
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 29: But I think it's just bad manners. And I can

1251
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 29: understand the employer apologizing because you know, if you had

1252
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 29: one of your employees in that situation the abundance of caution,

1253
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 29: of course you apologize because that's a polite thing to do.

1254
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 21: You need more polite people in the world.

1255
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 4: I agree with you, and I think you probably also

1256
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 4: be embarrassed as T and T that you managed to

1257
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: hire such a numpty Who's best retorted the Deputy Prime

1258
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 4: Minister was to say, oh bollocks. It was just so lame,

1259
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 4: wasn't it. Speaking of apologies, saying so, do you think

1260
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: that Chippy should apologize to Judith Collins for quite clearly

1261
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 4: misquoting her in a way that makes her look like

1262
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 4: a racist?

1263
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 24: I mean, yeah, that's sort of You've got to be

1264
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 24: so careful with that sort of stuff. I mean, because

1265
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 24: you'll end up it comes back and sort of you know,

1266
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 24: wax you on the chops because you didn't do it properly.

1267
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 24: So yeah, it could well be I mean it's yeah, yeah,

1268
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 24: that's that it's such a fraud issue, and it's such

1269
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 24: a fraus.

1270
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 4: It doesn't feel it doesn't fraut. It doesn't feel frault

1271
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: to me. If Judith says the lack of civility from

1272
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 4: the Maori party and then you reinterpret that as uncivilized

1273
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: behavior from indigenous people, that just seems to me that

1274
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 4: is just you are mischaracterizing what she said out and out.

1275
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 24: And again it's one of those things. Knock it on

1276
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 24: the head, knock it on the head. Don't let it

1277
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 24: keep you know, he's going to sort it out. If

1278
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 24: you look back and think, yeah, look I was a

1279
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 24: bit fast and loose with that, then sort it. Otherwise

1280
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 24: it just drags on and he said, she said, and

1281
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 24: all these sort of other things start coming through.

1282
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 4: It just kind of the problem is it makes it

1283
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 4: makes Chippy look slippery.

1284
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 29: Oh well, it's better if people are very clear about

1285
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 29: what they said, and other people are very clear about

1286
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 29: what they said.

1287
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 21: And it just seems to be a wee bit of

1288
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 21: confusion in this situation, doesn't it.

1289
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 4: Is it confusion Connor or is this a classic case

1290
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 4: of Chippy getting busted twisting the facts? Which actually is

1291
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 4: something he does quite a lot with a smiling thing.

1292
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 21: Oh he's got a nice smiling face, he does, isn't he.

1293
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 21: And he's very good at engaging with the media and

1294
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 21: making points that he wants to make.

1295
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, okay, I feel like you're pulling your punches

1296
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 4: on him, so I'm going to talk to you about

1297
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 4: that later. Right, Well, take a break, come back to

1298
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 4: you guys. Quarter two the Huddle with.

1299
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

1300
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 4: Right, you're back of the huddle. Connor English and Mark Sainsbury. Connor,

1301
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 4: do you have any problem with those vouchers being handed

1302
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 4: out at ED?

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Speaker 20: Look, I think it seems to be quite a pragmatic solution,

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Speaker 20: doesn't it. I mean, ideally you wouldn't have so many

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Speaker 20: people going to ED anyway and you know, fit and healthy,

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Speaker 20: but it does seem to be a lot of people

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Speaker 20: who do. And if you can get the overfly through

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Speaker 20: quicker by going down the road you know Philly Boots really.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, problem here, Sainso is when people start gaming at

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Speaker 4: a like now that people are aware of it, you

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent know that there will people who will

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Speaker 4: be people who will not go to the GP, but

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Speaker 4: we'll go to ED knowing they can get a voucher

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Speaker 4: and get seen for freeedown at the White Cross.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, there's always there's always going to be that. I mean, look,

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Speaker 24: the fact that they're having to resort to giving out

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Speaker 24: vouchers I am not happy with, as it says that

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Speaker 24: the system is in coping with what it's designed for.

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Speaker 24: But you know the risks all being in unison. If

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Speaker 24: you're sick and you need treatment, look anything that work,

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Speaker 24: and if a voucher is going to help, and it

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Speaker 24: seems to have made a huge difference in numbers in

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Speaker 24: particular in that area, then let it happen. You know,

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Speaker 24: we can't all stand on principle and this is terrible.

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Speaker 24: We should be putting the money into the health system.

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Speaker 24: You're quite correct, but people are waiting for treatment. It's

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Speaker 24: just unconscionable how long people have to wait at these

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Speaker 24: the emergency centers. And if this is a way out

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Speaker 24: of it, even if it's a temporary solution, then all

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Speaker 24: power of.

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Speaker 4: Their own Yeah, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 10: I don't now.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, we're doing the same thing with operations too.

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Speaker 9: Aren't we.

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Speaker 20: Which you know there's not enough capacity in the public sector.

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Speaker 20: If you can throw some overflow into the private sector

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Speaker 20: and get the job done quicker makes sense too, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: It does, absolutely, Connor. What are you looking for in

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Speaker 4: the big budget tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 20: Well, fully, funnily enough, I'm looking for the government to

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Speaker 20: provide some funding for early detection of prostate cancer. It's

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Speaker 20: a little hobby horse I've had for a while for

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Speaker 20: a pilot one point six million a year out of

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Speaker 20: thirty billion dollars a year, so it's it's not a

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Speaker 20: big art. It will make a big difference to men's help.

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Speaker 20: But other than that, I'm just hoping that the government

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Speaker 20: delivers a good, good, sort of sensible budget that I

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Speaker 20: think is going to be focused on growth, isn't it.

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Speaker 20: So we all want Zone to progress and invest in

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Speaker 20: the right places and make a difference so the boat

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Speaker 20: goes faster.

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Speaker 4: What about you, Sanza?

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Speaker 24: Well, look, I can't help but endorse Connor on the

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Speaker 24: on the prostate It's means health were coming up on

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Speaker 24: the ninth of fifteenth of June, so it'll be it'd

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Speaker 24: be a great thing for that. And because there's still

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Speaker 24: a lot of a lot of disparity. Two out of

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Speaker 24: four Mari men oneket gold card just by the way.

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Speaker 24: So that's what I'm looking for. All this talks have

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Speaker 24: dampened down expectations of saying that it was not going

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Speaker 24: to be this. It's not gonna be that. It's not

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Speaker 24: gonna be a lolly scramble. What I'm curious to see

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Speaker 24: is whether there's they've got anything they're going to pull

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Speaker 24: out of the hat that is going to surprise us.

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Speaker 4: You've been there too many times, haven't ye saying Zoe

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Speaker 4: and heard them say it's not going to be a

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Speaker 4: lolly scramble. That's right, and then it's a lolly scramble.

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Speaker 24: So I'll be I'll be tuned in at five past

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Speaker 24: five tomorrow, Heather.

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Speaker 4: Oh thanks Sam. So let me just be absolutely clear

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Speaker 4: to what will you be tuned in.

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Speaker 24: I'll be tuned in to you here. Can you be

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Speaker 24: talking to the finance minister? That's what I'll be tuned in.

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Speaker 4: You'll get your commission in the mail later on. I

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Speaker 4: really agree, Yeah, what.

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Speaker 24: No, I'm just going to say, look, the one good thing,

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Speaker 24: you know, because you know you have your own sort

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Speaker 24: of style, but one good thing you're an equal opportunity

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Speaker 24: aggressive interviewer. Well not agree, but doesn't matter who it is.

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Speaker 4: I think that's something you have your own little style.

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Speaker 4: So elaborate please.

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Speaker 24: Because you have you had one thing about you you

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Speaker 24: don't die wanting to know. You have very definite and

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Speaker 24: strong views on things.

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Speaker 4: Job description.

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Speaker 24: Stop you being robust.

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Speaker 4: Thank you sayin so I appreciate that. I just I

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Speaker 4: thought there might have been a little bit of a thought.

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Speaker 4: I thought, oh, there's a niggle coming from sayings. So

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Speaker 4: I'm going to have to sort him out. Ober, he

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Speaker 4: shaved himself. What a what a feminist? I'm going to

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Speaker 4: talk about feminism in a minute. You're gonna want to

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Speaker 4: hear this one. That's kind of English and Mark Sainsbury

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Speaker 4: are our charming huddle. This evening eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talk z'b.

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Speaker 4: Listen. We're going to talk don't even get me started

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Speaker 4: on MasterCard. I'll tell you what they are on my

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Speaker 4: bs list today. Brass neck of those guys. So we're

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Speaker 4: going to deal with that shure. We're going to talk

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Speaker 4: to a consumer about MasterCard. After half past six, Heather,

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Speaker 4: those vouchers at hospital are awesome. I burnt my legs,

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Speaker 4: so I had to go down nine hour away hospital

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Speaker 4: got a voutcher. Boom was out in and out in

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Speaker 4: forty five minutes, freeing up the hospital for people who

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Speaker 4: actually needed it. Apparently I did too, wouldn't have gone

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Speaker 4: if I didn't know about the voucher. There you go,

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Speaker 4: thank you very much. Right, so this thing has gone viral. Look,

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Speaker 4: little little disclaimer, we have we have a we have

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Speaker 4: somebody who likes to call themselves a macro feminist in

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Speaker 4: our team. He's a hote. We appreciate him, and he's

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Speaker 4: drawn to our attention. A new thing called micro feminism. Now,

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Speaker 4: this has apparently gone viral. And what it is basically

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Speaker 4: is it's largely in the office, and it's where you

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Speaker 4: do little feminist acts. Right, this is microfeminism as where

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Speaker 4: you do little feminist acts designed to sort of challenge

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Speaker 4: accepted norms. For example, asking a male colleague to organize

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Speaker 4: the shared morning tea, you know, because we're always go, oh, look,

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Speaker 4: you're a lady, can you get the cake? But actually,

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Speaker 4: what about you go to a bloke and go, hey,

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Speaker 4: Andrew could you get the cake and just try to ye,

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Speaker 4: Maybe holding a door for a man and insisting insisting

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Speaker 4: that he goes first. Maybe you know, asking a bloke

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Speaker 4: in a meeting to take the note, or maybe asking

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Speaker 4: the bloke to tidy up, which I did to Matt

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Speaker 4: Heath yesterday, or some other examples. For example, with emails,

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Speaker 4: when I send an email, my natural impulse is to say, hey,

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Speaker 4: just checking in, Hey just checking on that brief, and

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Speaker 4: I always delete the just and say, hey checking in,

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Speaker 4: give me the breath. Or when you're meeting someone.

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Speaker 27: When I'm meeting a man for the first time, I

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Speaker 27: always enter with a really firm handshake. Or with the

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Speaker 27: furniture whenever something needs to be moved and someone's like,

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Speaker 27: let's let the men do it, I said, no, I

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Speaker 27: got it.

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Speaker 4: Or while out walking, when I'm walking, I on purpose

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Speaker 4: don't get out of the way.

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Speaker 12: I just keep my ground and if men bump into me,

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Speaker 12: they bump into me.

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Speaker 4: Or when you're at KINDI and you're dealing with the kids.

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Speaker 12: For kender and daycare, I always put my husband as

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Speaker 12: number one contact.

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Speaker 4: So there you go. We have collated. If you would

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Speaker 4: like to participate in I'm not saying I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: driver is not endorsing micro feminism.

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Speaker 10: We're not endorsing it's Bury the primary contact for childcare.

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Speaker 4: No, Loles, do you want the child like Loles? Does

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Speaker 4: the husband even know how to take his phone off silent?

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Speaker 4: It's hid and miss Whither you can get a hold

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Speaker 4: of him. He's not dead like if you're like, I've

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Speaker 4: been calling Barry for days, He's no, he's not dead.

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Speaker 4: He's just he's just crap at his phone. So no,

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Speaker 4: we want the child to stay alive. And we're not

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Speaker 4: endorsing micro feminism. We're just alerting you to what might

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Speaker 4: be going on around you. News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight the Business Hour with Hither Duplessy,

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Speaker 1: Allen and Mares, Insurance and investments, Grow your.

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Speaker 2: Wealth, Protect your future, Newstalk SIB.

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Speaker 4: Even in coming up in the next hour, Consuming New

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Speaker 4: Zealand on master Cards attempted blame shifting Milford Acid management

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Speaker 4: on the dropping price of oil globally and Gavin Gray

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Speaker 4: out of the UK. First though, news just in in

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Speaker 4: the Herald is that Smith and Coey has just announced

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Speaker 4: it will close for good. It will close its doors

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Speaker 4: for the final time within the next ten weeks by

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Speaker 4: July the thirty first. Now this is going to mean

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Speaker 4: a loss of one hundred jobs and also the end

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Speaker 4: of one hundred and forty five years of history. Smith

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Speaker 4: and Coey, if you've been following this, have obviously try

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Speaker 4: to make it work.

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Speaker 25: Lately.

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Speaker 4: They've kept the Queen Street store going. They've tried to

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Speaker 4: curate the collection there. They closed the Newmarket store, but

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Speaker 4: it hasn't worked, and they say, unfortunately the foot traffic

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Speaker 4: on Queen Street is significantly lower than it was this

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Speaker 4: time last Year's very very sad.

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Speaker 2: News, Heather due to see Allen.

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Speaker 4: Right, remember all those businesses telling themselves they just have

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Speaker 4: to survive till twenty five. Well, it sounds like they

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Speaker 4: may now be telling themselves they need to hang on

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Speaker 4: till twenty six. The EMA says it's received a huge

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Speaker 4: number of queries, over four hundred from businesses in the

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Speaker 4: first three months of the year, all wandering about restructuring

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Speaker 4: and redundancies. EMA's head of advocacy, Alan McDonald's with me. Now, hey, Allen,

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Speaker 4: either what about the news about Smith and coe.

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Speaker 11: Oh that's a real shame. I mean, that's been part

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Speaker 11: of the Auckland landscape for as you say, one hundred

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Speaker 11: and forty odd years, that's slightly older than the EMA. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 11: I mean there's one hundred people losing their jobs.

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Speaker 4: That's snuggod case in point exactly what you're talking about here,

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Speaker 4: which is that businesses just cannot hold on through this.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's you know, there's been a lot of good

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Speaker 11: news and I think you're talking earlier about the export

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Speaker 11: numbers and things like that, but it's still really really

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Speaker 11: tough on the ground. And business conference is going up.

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Speaker 11: Some of the indicators are turning, but that's not what's

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Speaker 11: happening on the ground. We've seen, unfortunately, a record number

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Speaker 11: of inquiries around restructuring and redundancy in the first quarter.

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Speaker 13: What is it?

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Speaker 4: Is it that they Is it that people had sort

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Speaker 4: of just been too optimistic about how much of a

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Speaker 4: recovery we would experience, or is it that basically everything's

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Speaker 4: just banked up and they had expected to last until

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Speaker 4: this point and then no longer.

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Speaker 11: Really, yeah, I think there's a few things in there,

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Speaker 11: So I think really it's the combination of what six

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Speaker 11: or seven years of really tough economic conditions. I mean,

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Speaker 11: if you go back even pre COVID. You know, the

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Speaker 11: economy was turning down then then we had COVID. Then

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Speaker 11: we had supply chain shocks and inflation and high interest

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Speaker 11: rates and all of those things. And I think the

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Speaker 11: last resort play for a lot of businesses when they

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Speaker 11: look at their costs and all that is, well, we're

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Speaker 11: going to have to restructure the number of people. And

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Speaker 11: that's what's happening. They are at that last chance to

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Speaker 11: leon if you like, and that's been reflected in some

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Speaker 11: of those numbers.

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Speaker 4: Trouble is, though, allan, isn't there a risk that business

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01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 4: is cut deep? They get rid of the people, they

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Speaker 4: try to cut down in terms of their size, and

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Speaker 4: then when the economy starts to recover, they find that

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Speaker 4: they're replacing those people. Is actually really hard.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, we did see that post GFC actually where the

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Speaker 11: numbers of businesses closing continued to rise actually as the

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01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 11: economy improved, and that was the case, then people had

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01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 11: cut too deep. So really it's about just making sure

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Speaker 11: that while you're you're kind of making those adjustments to

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01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 11: right size yourself, you don't leave yourself short of capabilities

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01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 11: and skills and capacity when things do turn And that's

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01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 11: a very fine balance, and that's where organizations like ourselves

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Speaker 11: and others can help.

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Speaker 4: What's on your wish list for tomorrow? You must have

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01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 4: something Well, there's been.

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Speaker 11: A lot of hints dropped about something around the accelerated depreciation,

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01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 11: and I think that would be really good for a

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Speaker 11: small business economy. The one that maybe in the frame

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Speaker 11: is just raising that threshold on expenses. So it's currently

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01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 11: in one thousand. In Australia it's twenty thousand. I don't

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01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 11: think we'll go that high, but something in either one

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,560
Speaker 11: of those areas would be great, even if it's just

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 11: a simplication and not a big headline number.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would help with the confidence.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff. Hey, Allen, always lovely to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Alan McDonald, head of Advocacy Amy.

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Speaker 4: Just going back to what Smith and Coe has said,

1547
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,520
Speaker 4: the acting chief executive Matt Harray is blaming the roadworks.

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01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 4: I think also the sheer amount of road work surrounding

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01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 4: our store currently is really putting people off. I think

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Speaker 4: the perceived level of safety in the city is also

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 4: putting people off. I don't think people realize that the

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01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 4: city center is actually a better place than it used

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01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 4: to be. Twelve months ago, he was asked whether he

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 4: had regular meetings with authorities, including Auckland Transport, and he said, yep.

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01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 4: Their response very little. Now he is not he's not

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01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 4: making this up. Have you been down Queen Street? Have

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01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 4: you been to that part? It has been because when

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 4: I was on maternity leaf took the baby on gigantic

1559
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 4: walks around the city to get her to sleep and stuff.

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01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 4: Would regularly walk all the way to Queen Street and

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Speaker 4: around there, and it is a total cluster. That intersection

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01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 4: that Smith and Coe is on is just full of

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01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 4: road cones, like to the extent that it is actually

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01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 4: uncomfortable to walk around there because you're constantly bumping into

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01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 4: people who are trying to funnel into these little channels

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01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 4: that are created by the road cones and stuff, and

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Speaker 4: it's just really hard to get there. Once you see

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 4: the orange road cones, you don't want to go there,

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01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 4: so you kind of try to avoid it. So I

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 4: think that they have been done over and actually there

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 4: is probably a lesson there for people who do who

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Speaker 4: do all this kind of work in the city, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: It's cut down the amount of disruption and if a

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01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 4: store is doing it tough, or if a bunch of

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 4: stores are doing it tough, have a listen to what

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 4: they're saying, because look what we've just lost one hundred

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01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 4: and forty five years because you stuck your road cones up. Well,

1578
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 4: only in part because of the road cones. Let's be fair,

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Speaker 4: But it didn't help, did it. Thirteen past six it's the.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio powered by news dog ZEPPI.

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Speaker 4: Heather, don't forget Auckland Transport and the increase in parking

1583
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 4: charges and the disappearance of parking in the city, and

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 4: the council sold one car park to put up another

1585
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 4: building mark that's fair. I mean what I should have

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01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 4: said as context for why I was down in Queen

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01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 4: Street with the pram is because that's the only way

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01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 4: you can get to Queen Street now is if you

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01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 4: walk there, because ain't nobody driving to Queen Street, are they?

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Speaker 4: Unless they're actually allowed like a trade or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Quarter past six now, Nikola Willis has said she's going

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01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 4: to deliver a no BS budget tomorrow. So janetib Shaney

1593
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 4: has five questions she wants answers too. She's with us

1594
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 4: now how Jana hey, Ever, question is how much they

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 4: save on pay equity A.

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 27: Yeap, that's the big question. Look, that was the thing

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01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 27: that sort of shocked us all. The government came out

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01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 27: without any warning and changed that change that rule. You know,

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01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 27: that could save billions of dollars at the expense of

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01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 27: people who work in jobs dominated by women. Their pay

1601
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 27: rises won't be as large as might otherwise be the case.

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01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 27: So question one is how much will a tightening of

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01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 27: the pay equity regime save.

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Speaker 4: Let's see, I think ten billion plus by the way,

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01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 4: but as more than ten billion, but not as much

1606
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 4: as seventeen billion as estimated.

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01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah, look possibly, and that would be over the

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Speaker 27: four year period.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So obviously it's been pretty well signaled that there's

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 4: going to be changes to key we save. I imagine

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01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 4: you're going to look at that. But the other one

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01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 4: will be there is some indication there'll be tax changes.

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01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:52,839
Speaker 4: What are you expecting?

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01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 27: Yeah, Look, the thing is the government has said that

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01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 27: it wants to support economic growth and it's also said

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01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 27: at once businesses to invest more in technology, tools machinery

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01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 27: to support productivity. So one way of doing that is

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01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 27: that it could allow businesses to write off more depreciation

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01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 27: on some of their tools and equipment and so on.

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 27: That would lower their tax bills and encourage them to

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 27: invest more in these things. The questions will be, does

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01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 27: the government say, okay, you can write off, you know,

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01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 27: write off more depreciation on any type of asset, or

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01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 27: does it narrow it to save money and say only

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01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 27: certain types of assets, or does it say only certain

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01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 27: types of sectors can can get this type of tax relief.

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01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 27: So that so if it does go down that track,

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01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 27: which which some people think it will, that that is

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01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 27: specifically what I'll be looking for. Surplus, that's the big one.

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01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 27: So people who listen to Nichola Willis will hear that

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01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 27: she's talking about a return to surplus within the four

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01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 27: year forecast period. But the surplus that Nicola Willis is

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01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 27: referring to is not the traditional measure. It's the one

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01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 27: that excludes the impact of acc So I think what

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01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 27: we will be doing is keeping focused on the original

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01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 27: measure of the surplus that's called the obergal, not the

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01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 27: ober gal X. And at the end of last year,

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01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 27: the Treasury didn't see a return to surplus within the

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01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 27: forecast period, So yeah, what.

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Speaker 4: About Treasury's forecasts. What are you looking for there?

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Speaker 27: Well, you know, I think I'm going to be quite

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01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 27: interested to see that they do this. I mean, outside

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01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 27: of the normal stuff. I'm interested in some of the

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 27: sensitivity analysis they do. So every year they say, well,

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01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 27: if GDP growth is fast or slower, you know, bigger

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01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 27: or smaller, or interest rates are higher or lower, whatever

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01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 27: than we expected, this could be the impact on the

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01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 27: government's books. Now, this year, I think that test will

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 27: be particularly interesting because the world is so uncertain the changes,

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01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 27: chances of Treasury's forecast being wrong is pretty high. You know,

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01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 27: Donald Trump is doing all sorts of things, so you know,

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01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 27: I'd be quite keen to look at that because you

1653
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 27: know that that sort of thing can make quite a

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01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 27: big difference on the books. And the one that I've

1655
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,799
Speaker 27: looked at in the past is just that global, globally,

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01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 27: bond yields are higher than what was expected in December,

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01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 27: and this is pushing up the cost of the government's

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01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 27: debt servicing costs. So because of what's happening in the US,

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01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 27: because of the amount of government debt we have, it's

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01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 27: costing the government more than expected to service its debt.

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01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 27: You know, more than expected just in December, so you

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01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 27: know that has an impact on the finances and on

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01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 27: the return to surplus.

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Speaker 17: So you know, the.

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Speaker 27: Those scenarios I think will be particularly interesting this year

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01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,480
Speaker 27: because of all the uncertainty.

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Speaker 4: Look forward to seeing you there. Jane Jenne to training

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01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 4: the Herald's Business Reporter or I should actually give her

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01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 4: a proper title a She's earned it, Wellington Business Editor.

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01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 4: Now master Card master Card has released a little survey

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01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 4: and it's got my goat because master Card has released

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01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 4: a survey about how we all want surcharges banned, right,

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01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 4: and look, we all hate surcharges. I got punged. I

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01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 4: really got pained by a surcharge today. That really got

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01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 4: on my nerves because you know, when I like to

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01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 4: go and make a decision when I'm at the point

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01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 4: of sale as to whether I want to use my

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01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 4: credit card or not based on whether there is a surcharges.

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01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 4: So I was buying a coffee and I saw and

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01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 4: that there was no sign that said surcharge, So I went, okay, cool,

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01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 4: and I tapped my card and then then the surcharge

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01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 4: appeared after that was old And by the way, that

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01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 4: includes a seurcharge. I thought, that's not cool, mate, that

1684
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 4: don't do that anyway, So that got my goat, But

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01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 4: it did not get my goat as much as master Card,

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01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,799
Speaker 4: because what master Card is doing is releasing the survey,

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01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 4: which says sixty one of us, sixty one percent of

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01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 4: US thinks surcharging should be banned, Seventy five percent of

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01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 4: US do not believe it is fair. Seventy nine percent

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01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 4: of US think that interchange fees, which is what the

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01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 4: banks charge each other, which basically makes up the surcharge,

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01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 4: should be considered a standard cost of doing business, and

1693
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 4: so on and so on and so on and so at.

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01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 4: Fourty four percent of US think retailers should absorb the

1695
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 4: interchange fees anyway. The whole thing is designed to convince

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01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 4: us that it's the retailer's fault and that we need

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01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 4: to ban the retailers from hold on a tack just

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01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 4: for one little second. What the retailers are passing on

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01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 4: is what you people are charging them. So if MasterCard

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01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 4: and Visa and the retail banks weren't charging all of

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01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 4: this money, then the retailers would not be passing it

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01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 4: on to us. So I'm just i just feel like

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01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of victim blaming going on here

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01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 4: from MasterCard anyway. So we got master that We said

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01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 4: to master Card, do you want to come on the

1706
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 4: show and talk to Heather? And they said no. Why

1707
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 4: did they say no, Laura? Can you tell me in

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01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 4: my ears? Oh they weren't available today. They were available

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01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 4: to put out a survey, but they weren't available to

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01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 4: talk about best to that anyway, never mind, not want

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01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 4: to be put off. We then decided, oh, we'll just

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01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 4: talk to some else about you, master Cards. So we're

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01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 4: going to talk to Consumer New Zealand because I have

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01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 4: had it up to here with MasterCard and Visa and

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01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 4: everybody else trying to blame the little retailers. Let me

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01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 4: just get this straight, right, Who is the bigger bully here?

1717
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 4: Is that the credit card guys or the dairy that's

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01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 4: passing on the search out? Do you think about that

1719
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 4: for a teck? And then we're going to talk about

1720
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 4: it after the headlines twenty two past six.

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01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics.

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01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen

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01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: and who has insurance and investments Grow your wealth?

1724
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 2: Protect your future these talks at me.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Heather, I agree read the credit card companies. But

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Speaker 4: some businesses do pass on more than just the cost,

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01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 4: like our friends at will Wilson, Like our friends at

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01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 4: Wilson Parking, What about Auckland Transport, what about Air New Zealand.

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01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 4: M It's like there's a pattern emerging here, do you

1730
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Not really the most popular companies

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01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 4: are they tore outfits twenty five past six Now Tariff

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01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 4: headlines have been dominating market news for the last few months,

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Speaker 4: but there is one benefit to consumers that are starting

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01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,879
Speaker 4: to take shape, which is lower oil prices. Andrew Purtain

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Speaker 4: from Milford Act Management is with me, Hey, Andrew, evening hitter.

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01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 4: What's happening in the oil market.

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Speaker 20: Well, we've sort of.

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01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 30: Been a bit distracted, haven't we for all the tariff news,

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01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 30: And meanwhile oil price has been hitting lower and lower,

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01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 30: so it's now down to the lowest level in about

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01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 30: four years. I'm down sixty six dollars a barrel, which

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01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 30: is about twenty percent lower than what it was at

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Speaker 30: the start of this year. So for most people they go,

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01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 30: why does that really matter? But we all do actually

1745
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 30: see an impact because when crude oil goes down, we

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01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 30: start to see that in fuel prices, and we also

1747
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 30: at some point would start to see it come through

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01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 30: an airfield prices. But the thing is at the moment

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01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 30: that a lot of experts are out there saying that,

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01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 30: saying that they could see heading even lower round to

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01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 30: potentially down to fifty dollars a barrel.

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Speaker 4: We all know that the oil price jumps around though, right,

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 4: So what's causing this move and are these prices actually

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01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 4: going to stay low.

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Speaker 30: There's been a couple of things. One is the Terrriff

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01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 30: concerns is creating more concern about general macroeconomic growth. So

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01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 30: if growth slows, demand for oil slows, so that decreases

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01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 30: the overall usage of oil, which puts down with pressure.

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Speaker 30: But really the big change within the last couple of

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Speaker 30: months is that OPEED, which is the nation of predominantly

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Speaker 30: Middle Western countries which produce around about one third of

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Speaker 30: the world's oil, they had quite a significant change in

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Speaker 30: stance on how they and how much oil are producing.

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Speaker 30: So what open usually does is the sort of the

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Speaker 30: supply control around.

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Speaker 2: There to other people that go.

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Speaker 30: But we want oil price to be around about seventy

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Speaker 30: dollars a barrel. That's where we're going to get a

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Speaker 30: good profit. And if there's going to be too much

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Speaker 30: oil come to the rest of the world, we'll just

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01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 30: taken million barrels a day out of the market and

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Speaker 30: we'll keep prices at seventy dollars. Now that works. That's

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01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 30: been been happening for about the last five years. Around

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Speaker 30: about months ago, they changed their stance and said, look,

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01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,560
Speaker 30: we're going to start bringing back quite material levels of

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Speaker 30: oil production. Now this is on in a scenario where

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01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 30: you got weekend in.

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Speaker 9: Demand and they're going to have more oil.

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Speaker 16: This is sense.

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Speaker 30: So they're basically saying, look, we're ready to send oil

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01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 30: not much lower and potentially into a bear market. Now

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01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 30: you might ask, all, why is OPEK doing this? Well,

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01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 30: one reason is Trump's been very very vocal when he

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01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 30: wants oil price lower. He wants oil price probably somewhere

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Speaker 30: around fifty dollars a barrel, So maybe he's putting pressure

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01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 30: on Sudi's who was sort of the key key party

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01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 30: with an OPET. And another reason that you've got oil

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01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 30: go low is a lot of countries have been sort

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01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,799
Speaker 30: of taken advantage of the lower OPEC production by producing

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01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 30: more oil, one of which is the US.

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Speaker 4: Wow. So the sucking up to him. Hey, thank you

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01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 4: very much, Andrew. I really appreciate that it is Andrew

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01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 4: Curtain Milford Asset Management. Hither I came to Auckland for

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 4: the first time ever for the loop HOLMBS concert. The

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01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 4: wife dragged me to Smith and Koe as she had

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01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 4: heard so much about it. What we found was an

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01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 4: empty department store that more resembled a warehouse than a

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01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 4: high end department store. Yep, there was a lot of cone,

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Speaker 4: but there was also a lot of activity, Jamie, thank

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Speaker 4: you for that right headlines next, and then it's an

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01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 4: chat about MasterCard.

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01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: Too, from.

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01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 13: Talking Cage too of all this lean talking everything from

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01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 13: SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,

1805
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 13: Ellen and.

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01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: Mas Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future

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01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: youth talks that be.

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01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 4: All the situation with Gaza. The UK government has announced

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01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 4: it's going to pause the free trade negotiations with Israel

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01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 4: until the situation in Gaza has resolved, which I think

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01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 4: is probably the right thing for them to be doing.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk to Gavin Gray about that shortly.

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01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 4: Right now, it's twenty four away from seven now. MasterCard

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01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 4: has released a survey that it says shows Kiwi's want

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01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 4: sir charges band. Apparently, sixty one percent of US would

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01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 4: support a band. Seventy five percent of US do not

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01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 4: believe that surcharging is fear. Forty four percent of US

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01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 4: think that retailers should absorb into change fees without surcharging

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01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 4: or without increasing the price. And Jessica Walker is Consumers

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01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 4: Acting Head of Research and Advocacy. Hey Jessica, Hi, Hather,

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01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 4: how are you doing. I'm very well. I need you

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01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 4: to I need you to explain something to me. Jessica.

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01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 4: I look at this coming from master Card. I believe

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01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 4: it ultimately responsible for the fact that we get surcharged,

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Speaker 4: and I think they have got a bloody brass nick

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01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 4: putting something like this out. Am I wrong?

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01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 31: Well, it's really complicated, and I feel like I'm always

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01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:33,480
Speaker 31: stating complicating.

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Speaker 16: It sounds like a cop up.

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01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 31: But payment systems are really complicated, and businesses are charged

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Speaker 31: a fee for using these these payment networks. And so

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01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 31: of course Visa and MasterCard are going to benefit from

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01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 31: surcharges being banned because it means that more people will

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01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 31: use Visa and master Cards.

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01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: Because it will be free for them to do so.

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01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 31: But we think we've gone on the record and said

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01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 31: that surcharges are a national embarrassment, and we stand by that.

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01:24:58,840 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 31: There is a huge problem.

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01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 4: You be blamed for them? Who do you blame for them?

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01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 4: Do you blame Do you blame MasterCard and Visa who

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01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 4: have who introduce the fees? Do you blame the retail

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01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 4: banks who also have fees? Or do you blame the

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01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 4: little retailer who I bought my coffee from today, who

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01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 4: is going to have to absorb what is in some

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01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 4: cases like thousands of dollars? It's a lot.

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01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 22: Who do you blame?

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01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 31: And we don't blame one person, And again it sounds

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01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 31: like a cup out or one organization, but we are

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01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 31: saying that there needs to be regulations. So right now

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01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 31: is guidelines and so we think that's what's contributing to

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01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 31: the mess there was the consumer is the horrible experience.

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01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 31: But also I get your point that for small businesses

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01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 31: it's also a mess because they're in caring fees that

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01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 31: they shouldn't be and they've got no choice but to

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01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 31: pass them on or if they're not passing them on,

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01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 31: then it means it's costing them more. So what we

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01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 31: think is a band should absolutely be on the table.

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01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 31: But in the meantime, we really support this further interchange regulation,

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01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 31: which is what the Commerce Commission has just been consulting on.

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01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 31: And what that should mean is that costs for businesses

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01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 31: come down, so which should cost them much less to

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01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 31: extract payments, and that's what we an interim measure.

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01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 4: Am I wrong to blame Visa and master Card for this?

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01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 4: Am I wrong to actually see them as the lead

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01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 4: culprits because when I read about what happened last year

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01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 4: around about this time in the US, they reached a

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01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 4: thirty billion dollar settlement over these credit card fees, which

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01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 4: was basically accepting that they were too high. So am

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01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 4: I wrong blaming them for this?

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01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 31: I think blame needs to be a portioned across lots

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01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 31: of different players because right, tell me who they are,

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01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 31: so who What we don't understand is where the extra

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01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 31: money is going. So we think that's one question that

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01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 31: needs to be asked.

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01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 4: So the companies yeah, yeah, well yeah, and.

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01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 31: Then are there some retailers that are taking some cream

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01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 31: off the top as well? Is it payment service providers.

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01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 31: So there's so many questions, but at the end of

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01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 31: the day is the it's the consumer that's paying the

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01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 31: cost for this.

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Speaker 22: It does need to be addressed.

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01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 4: But okay, to get back to my point. Though MasterCard

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01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 4: does have a bloody brass neck, don't they.

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01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 22: Well, they're going to benefit.

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01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 4: It's secretly they're charging them. I mean, how can they

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01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 4: like think about this, yessica, how can they actually say

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01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 4: that these charges, these surcharges need to be banned, Like

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01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 4: the little retailer who's selling you the tiny little pot

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01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 4: part you're buying has to stop the surcharge because they

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01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 4: want to fill their pockets. The old critic card companies anyway,

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01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 4: in never mind, I'm not going to force you to

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01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 4: take my side on this. However, it seems to me

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01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 4: that what the Commerce Commission is proposing is actually a

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01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 4: solution to this, right because not only are they going

1896
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 4: to regulate what these fat cats can charge, but they

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01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 4: then do actually regulate also what the retailers can charge you.

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01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 16: And I yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 31: So at the moment, the section that's that's regulated is

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01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 31: what the business is paying, but what you, as the

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01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 31: contumer pay is what's it's there are only guidelines and

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01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 31: we think that they're being ignored because the surch charges

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01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 31: are supposed to be not excessive. They're supposed to be visible,

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01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 31: and you're supposed to know in advance what you're going

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01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 31: to pay in a lot of the time, what consumers

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01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 31: are telling us, and we know we're all consumers ourselves

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01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 31: that that's not the case. So we absolutely support the

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01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 31: Commerce Commission bringing those charges down, which should mean that

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01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 31: if there is an all outbound which we think should

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01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 31: be on the table, then businesses fees are going to

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01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 31: be lower. So if those costs are passed on in

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01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 31: higher costs of service and goods, it should be less

1913
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 31: than one percent overall, and we think that's a much

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01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 31: better position than what we're in now. You know, for example,

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Speaker 31: the most egregious surcharge we've heard about in the last

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01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 31: few months was twenty five percent who behave it's just

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01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 31: gone to stop it with a nail salon somewhere twenty

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Speaker 31: five percent nail salon. It's just absolutely shocking too.

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Speaker 4: Right hey, thank you very much, jessic I always appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Jessica Walker, Consumers Acting Head of Research and Advocacy. It's

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Speaker 4: nineteen away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Hither due to clan now AI.

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Speaker 4: AI is something that is increasingly being discussed by by

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01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 4: various It's about how to use it and stuff like that.

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01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 4: Here's a lesson in how not to use it. A

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01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 4: couple of US newspapers have been busted running a feature

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01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 4: which was full of made up stuff which obviously came

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01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 4: from AI. So what it was was it was a

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01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 4: summer feature. And I wish i'd actually remember the names

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Speaker 4: of the two newspapers. I can't remember what there was,

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01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 4: like a Philadelphia paper and some other one you know. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: not the big, big, big ones, but these reasonable mid

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Speaker 4: sized newspapers. Anyway, there ran a summer feature because summer

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01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 4: is obviously about to happen in the US, and they

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01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 4: had lists of good books to read and activities to do.

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Speaker 4: Except the problem was some of the books don't exist,

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01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 4: and some of the people suggesting the activities never suggested

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Speaker 4: these activities. So, for example, it was quoting one Brianna Mardia,

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Speaker 4: who wrote a book called Nowhere for Very Long about

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Speaker 4: living in vans, and it quoted her as raving about

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Speaker 4: hammock culture and said that she'd made these comments about

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Speaker 4: hammock Culture to Outside Magazine in twenty twenty three, except

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Speaker 4: she didn't do any interviews with Outside Magazine in twenty three,

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Speaker 4: and she did do interviews with Outside Magazine in twenty

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Speaker 4: nineteen and twenty seventeen, but she did not talk about

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Speaker 4: hammock culture, So where did AI get that from. Also,

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Speaker 4: the Summer reading list for twenty twenty five recommended the

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Speaker 4: book Tide Water Dreams Doesn't Exist. Also recommended the book

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Speaker 4: The Last Algorithm by Andy Weer No such book. Also

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Speaker 4: recommended books by real authors, but by the way, it

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Speaker 4: doesn't appear that either of those people are real. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: there are some real authors called brit Bennett, Taylor Jenkins,

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Speaker 4: read Mingin Lee, Rebecca Mackeye. Those are real authors, but

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Speaker 4: the books that were suggested by them do not exist.

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Speaker 4: What happened is that there's a freelance writer who lives

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Speaker 4: in Chicago called Marco Buscaglia, and he basically wrote a

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Speaker 4: lot of this content, right, or at least we thought

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Speaker 4: he wrote a lot of this content, but he didn't.

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Speaker 4: He was writing in February, he had a March deadline.

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Speaker 4: He decided to use an AI chatbot to help. He

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Speaker 4: can't remember was it chat gpt or was it Claude?

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Speaker 7: Who knows?

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Speaker 4: Anyway, he got the chat gpt, the chatbot to basically

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Speaker 4: put together this list of things instead of calling the

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Speaker 4: bookstores themselves and be like, hey, what's the great book

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Speaker 4: to read? He just got the chatbot to do it.

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Speaker 4: And then he forgot to check that the chatbot hadn't

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Speaker 4: made stuff up and he got busted. So watch out

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Speaker 4: sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duper c Ellen and Theirs.

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 2: Newstalks'd be here.

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Speaker 4: The user stash of cash and avoid all rip off surcharges.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, I'm doing a very good job

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Speaker 4: apart from when I get surprised. I'm doing a very

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Speaker 4: good job of actually using my bank card and making

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Speaker 4: Visa and MasterCards life hard by not using their credit

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Speaker 4: cards actually to avoid those surcharges. Are thirteen away from

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Speaker 4: seven and Gavin Gray are UK Correspondence with us A

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Speaker 4: Gavin Hew, Hey, they are all right, So what is

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Speaker 4: it going to take? What does Israel need to do

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Speaker 4: in order to get these free trade negotiations with the

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Speaker 4: UK going again.

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Speaker 17: Basically to stop the bombing and action in Gaza. That's

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Speaker 17: the message from this UK government. So yesterday they paused

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Speaker 17: the trade talks with Israel, they summoned the ambassador and

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Speaker 17: started to put sanctions on individuals, and today we've learned

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Speaker 17: more about those sanctions. Daniella Weiss is her name, the

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Speaker 17: main one. You may never have heard of her, but

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Speaker 17: she's a far right Israeli settler known as the godmother

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Speaker 17: to the settler movement. With settlers, of course, this is

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Speaker 17: the part of an organization called Homeland that has been

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Speaker 17: sanctioned by this government as well. Vice leads that group,

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Speaker 17: and the vast majority of the international community considers the

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Speaker 17: settlers illegal under international law. In other words, they're occupying

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Speaker 17: world the land that's not there, and this is something

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Speaker 17: that Vice has been absolutely instrumental in doing. The Israeli

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Speaker 17: Foreign Ministry, though, has hit back saying the sanctions are

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Speaker 17: basically unjustified and regrettable and say that the UK's pause

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Speaker 17: of trade talks, well, they're saying, if you want to

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Speaker 17: harm your economy, that's up to you. But this is

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Speaker 17: an anti Israel obsession. They're calling it the UK government

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Speaker 17: say though, saying the situation in Gaza is quite simply

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Speaker 17: untenable and cannot go on any longer, and yesterday issued

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Speaker 17: a joint statement with France and Canada saying they will

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Speaker 17: keep some concrete steps if things don't change.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I hope so.

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Speaker 4: Okay, listen, what's gone wrong with these airbnb properties in Spain?

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Speaker 17: Well, one of the big issues for young people in

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Speaker 17: Spain has been trying to find somewhere to live, and

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Speaker 17: particularly the larger towns and cities. The average rental has

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Speaker 17: doubled over the last decade. Salaries, though are way behind,

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Speaker 17: they're nowhere near that doubling, so accommodation has become very expensive,

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Speaker 17: and they do say one of the things that has

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Speaker 17: priced them out is that so many apartments in those

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Speaker 17: towns and cities have turned into airbnb or tourist apartments.

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Speaker 17: Spain is the world's second most popular tourist destination after France,

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Speaker 17: with ninety four million foreign visitors last year, and this

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Speaker 17: government's Pedro Sanchez, the Socialist Prime Minister, is alert to that.

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Speaker 17: He's saying there are too many airbnbs and not enough homes,

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Speaker 17: so they are now calling for the removal of the

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Speaker 17: listings of nearly sixty six thousand properties on the rental

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Speaker 17: platform Airbnb, saying that they breach regulations for tourist accommodation.

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Speaker 17: They're saying they quote violated various norms regarding housing for

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Speaker 17: tourist use. It's a complicated one and it's a bit

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Speaker 17: vague and why they think they can do it. But

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Speaker 17: already we've seen Madrid court ruling that Airbnb must immediately

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Speaker 17: withdraw from the market almost five thousand of the properties cited.

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Speaker 2: By the ministry there.

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Speaker 17: But it's not just Madrid, it's Andrew Luthia, Catalonia, Valencia,

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Speaker 17: the Basque Country and the Ballyeric Islands all now tackling Airbnb,

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Speaker 17: saying that there are too many Airbnb properties and this

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Speaker 17: cannot go on now.

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Speaker 4: Ryanair cannot be serious that they're wanting some people, some

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Speaker 4: of the staff, to pay back money, are they?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 17: Yes, yes, I think Ryanair is extremely serious about this. Well,

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Speaker 17: what happened is a pay rise was agreed with a

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Speaker 17: Spanish union and that pay rise was then applied to

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Speaker 17: all flight attendants of Ryanair, which is Europe's largest airline.

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Speaker 17: It's the budget airline based out of Ireland, and that

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Speaker 17: belonged that that pay increase belonged to all flight attendants,

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Speaker 17: regardless of which union they belonged to. Now, interestingly, another

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Speaker 17: Spanish union one a court case a couple of months ago,

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Speaker 17: nullifying the deal, saying that it wasn't fairly done. That

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Speaker 17: you know, you can't just talk to one union and

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Speaker 17: not to the rest of us, so it's nullified.

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Speaker 3: The deal.

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Speaker 17: Mean the pay rise is effectively null and void. So

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Speaker 17: Ryanair is now saying, right, thank you, we'll have that

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Speaker 17: pay rise money back. Airline workers basically estimate that they're

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Speaker 17: three thousand euros overpaid, if you like, using Ryanair's language,

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Speaker 17: so roughly six thousand New Zealand dollars or more. And yeah,

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Speaker 17: the flight's attendants are being told they must repay the

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Speaker 17: money over a year by taking a sum out of

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Speaker 17: their monthly salary. This, as you can imagine, has been

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Speaker 17: described as fascicaled by one union. Another union isn't happy.

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Speaker 17: But either way, Ryanair not terribly popular with the unions

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Speaker 17: in Spain, as they do try to keep their ticket

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Speaker 17: prices down by doing tough deals on pay rising.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, hey, thank you very much, Kevin Gray Agavin we'll'll

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Speaker 4: check to you in a couple of days. It's Kevin Gray,

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Speaker 4: are UK Correspondent's Away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto per Se Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 4: All right, I need to give a lot shout out

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Speaker 4: to Little Palm Beach on Wyhecke Island. But before I do,

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Speaker 4: Paul says, I run a couple of restaurants. The bank

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Speaker 4: charge for using a payWave card is paid by my business.

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Speaker 4: Customers charge, no surch charge. It's claimed as an expense

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Speaker 4: by us. But just be clear, right, So what Paul

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Speaker 4: is telling you is if you don't pay it, he

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Speaker 4: has to pay it. And I think the Commerce Commission

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Speaker 4: has already ascertained it's a little on the high side. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: we will I'm sure that this will come up again

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Speaker 4: at some stage and hopefully we'll talk to MasterCard. So

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Speaker 4: Little Palm Beach on Wyheke Island has made CNN's list

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Speaker 4: of CNN's best noody rudy beaches in the world. Well done,

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Speaker 4: well done. Any beach list that doesn't have pr on it,

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Speaker 4: I'm down with it now. It's probably not the right

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Speaker 4: phrase to be using in this context anyway, CNN says,

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Speaker 4: reaching the secluded strand entails of forty to sixty minute

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Speaker 4: very ride from Auckland, a taxi or ride share to

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Speaker 4: the island's north shore, and then a short downhill hike.

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Speaker 4: You can top or tail your beach adventure at why

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Speaker 4: Hecki's many wineries, restaurants and art galleries, and nothing actually

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Speaker 4: about how awesome it is to see naked people there anyway,

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Speaker 4: And what have you got?

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Speaker 10: Okay, so yesterday you said you can't tell the difference

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Speaker 10: between the new Taylor Swift re recordings of her songs

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Speaker 10: and the original versions. So what I'm going to do

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Speaker 10: now as I'm going to play you two versions of

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Speaker 10: the song mine. Okay, this is Mine by Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 10: This is the original version as it came out on

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Speaker 10: Speak Now in twenty ten. This is how it starts.

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Speaker 10: H okay, not bad. This is how it sounds record

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Speaker 10: re released in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Ah oh yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 10: Just the guitar is a bit cleaner, it's a bit

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Speaker 10: more acoustic. So yeah, it's the same song. It's recognizably

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Speaker 10: the same song that I think the new versions a

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Speaker 10: lot of better.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the thing that got me was that

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Speaker 4: the guitar's opening bit in the original is very staccato,

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Speaker 4: where it's a lot more legato in the second one.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 10: Oh, I am bringing a knife to a gunfight on

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Speaker 10: this music. Stuff either your way.

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Speaker 4: But what I'm going to appreciate is that you were

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Speaker 4: right and I was wrong because you how you love

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Speaker 4: a bit of Taita, don't you?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: To be fair, this is the only song on speak

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Speaker 10: Now that I particularly like, but I have, I have

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Speaker 10: always liked it. But yes, I am a fan of

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Speaker 10: Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 4: I always bring a knife to a Tata gunfight with you.

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Speaker 4: So you can, you can, you can continue to be

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Speaker 4: our tait A source of information.

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Speaker 10: Thank you for that, and thanks very much to Chief

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Speaker 10: Taylor Swift correspondent Michael Allen, who also has another job here,

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Speaker 10: who helps me outpecking this on.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, what is his life without Taylor?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 4: Listen, thank you, thank you and for minding the ship

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Speaker 4: the way that you have back in Auckland today, You've

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Speaker 4: been outstanding. And the German obviously, and we will all

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Speaker 4: be back tomorrow for the for the budget. How good

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Speaker 4: see you then gasp.

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Speaker 3: For a word, and we'll take in on the world together.

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Speaker 2: And there's and sure math things at your please.

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Speaker 4: You learn my see good.

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Speaker 2: Then you figure out why I'm guarded.

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Speaker 4: You say, well, make you see with God love to

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Speaker 4: figure out.

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Speaker 14: It was hard to say ya yay.

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