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Speaker 1: Private investigator and former police officer Tim mckinnell's been working

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Speaker 1: on this case. A tim morning here, And when you

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Speaker 1: first saw the documents relating to this case, right when

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Speaker 1: she gave them to you, did you know immediately that

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Speaker 1: she hadn't done it?

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Speaker 2: It was pretty clear pretty quickly. It takes a wee

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Speaker 2: while to get through it. There's a lot of material,

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Speaker 2: but it became pretty clear that the current case was

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Speaker 2: in many ways just an absurdity. And so myself and

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Speaker 2: others that looked at it and knew fairly quickly that

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Speaker 2: we had a miscarriacter justice on her hands.

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Speaker 1: The thing that struck me was when I read about

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Speaker 1: it. It was not nearly as extensively as you obviously, but

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Speaker 1: the fact that the facts that the detective sent the

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Speaker 1: lawyer about witness statements that to me looked like a

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Speaker 1: crucial piece of evidence that said something was wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, you just don't do that. It's pretty plain,

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Speaker 2: one O one a detective thing, you don't send things

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Speaker 2: like that, and when you do, and if you do,

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Speaker 2: you disclose it. And it wasn't disclosed. And that's one

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Speaker 2: of the reasons that the court pointed to a miscarriage

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Speaker 2: occurring here.

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Speaker 1: Now. One of the other cases you've worked on was

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Speaker 1: the Allen Hall case has actually got three people now

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Speaker 1: before the courts themselves for the miscarriage of justice. Are

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Speaker 1: you expecting something similar to happen here?

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Speaker 2: Based on our assessment of what happened, we think there

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Speaker 2: are a few people that probably ought to be the

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Speaker 2: focus of a criminal investigation, and we'll be encouraging the

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Speaker 2: police to do that.

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Speaker 1: Tim. That's quite serious, isn't it, Because that's not we

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Speaker 1: just whopsey, We stuffed it up, that there's something more

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Speaker 1: considered there in order to be charged.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is I think this whole investigation was corrupted

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Speaker 2: from the outset, and when that started to become exposed,

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Speaker 2: it was covered up.

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Speaker 1: You reckon, you reckon. She's going to get combom.

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Speaker 2: She ought to. She's as innocent as you and I

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Speaker 2: of Dean phil of Sand's murder. And so that's the

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Speaker 2: next step for us is to start working towards that.

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Speaker 1: For right, I mean, why is it that we are

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Speaker 1: dealing with so many miscarriages of justice at the moment,

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Speaker 1: because it feels like it's just quite a lot coming

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Speaker 1: at us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Well, it's because I think some of

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Speaker 2: the belief we had in the safety of our criminal

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Speaker 2: justice system was misplaced. The system has, I think, over

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Speaker 2: the years, protected itself. The mask is starting to slip

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Speaker 2: and we're starting to see more and more of these cases.

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Speaker 1: There are more to come, Tim, Thanks very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Tim McKinnell, private investigative, former police officer.

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