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Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence. Here, Hey, Barry, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Winston Peters, did he mount a convincing argument for why

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Speaker 1: he needs to vote the Treaty Principal's Bill down?

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Speaker 2: Look, I think you were talking past each other, and

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Speaker 2: Winston has in the past. This is an age old

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Speaker 2: bugbear of Winston Peters. Back in two thousand and five

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Speaker 2: he introduced a private member's bill, and that was to

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Speaker 2: remove the principles of the Treaty from every piece of legislation.

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Speaker 1: Differences to you.

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Speaker 2: It was put there by Jeffrey Palmer, the law lord

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Speaker 2: of the Labor Party. He put it there.

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Speaker 1: How did he go with that bill in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and five, Well, it.

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Speaker 2: Was defeated because it was defeated by the government, which

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Speaker 2: was Labor, the Greens and the Maldiro.

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Speaker 1: He didn't remove any of the references.

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Speaker 2: Well, he did, didn't get past the first Rulli.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Barry, you've been around as long

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Speaker 1: as when he has been around. Do you really believe

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Speaker 1: that he's ever going to get around to removing the

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Speaker 1: references to the produce?

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Speaker 2: I don't think because look, the fact of the matter

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Speaker 2: is the principles have been defined by the courts.

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Speaker 1: Over it's right. So his coalition promise is he's going

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Speaker 1: to remove the references. We are we're close to a

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Speaker 1: year into this government and he hasn't removed any yet.

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Speaker 1: Is he ever going to?

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Speaker 2: Well, you've got a legislate and that takes time. The

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Speaker 2: primary principle is by the court scene as partnership, but

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Speaker 2: it's never been defined in legislation, which is what Winston

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Speaker 2: Peters would argue. Yeah, so it has been a bug bear.

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Speaker 2: It's been a bug bear of a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: But look it's there whether they like it or not,

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Speaker 2: and it's canal. Jeffrey Palmer made a good work of

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Speaker 2: putting it into legislation. To get it out of so

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Speaker 2: many pieces is going to be massive.

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Speaker 1: But do you not agree with me? So if Winston

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Speaker 1: has a different approach, So Seymour's approach is to pass

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Speaker 1: the Treaty Principal's Bill. Winston says no, he's going to

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Speaker 1: remove the references. If he kills the Treaty Principal's Bill.

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Speaker 1: Pressures on to remove the references. You've got to do

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Speaker 1: one or the other.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the other is really difficult because there are

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Speaker 2: so many pieces of legislation.

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Speaker 1: In which case he would the principles.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I agree. I mean, I totally agree with

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Speaker 2: the Treaty Principal's bill, and we haven't seen it yet,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think it's going to be as draconian

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Speaker 2: as what a lot of people think. I think, you

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Speaker 2: know it'll be. I would imagine once it's been floated

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Speaker 2: in the public arena. The polling party for the ACT Party,

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Speaker 2: their own polling is showing sixty percent support for this,

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Speaker 2: and I think the Treaty principles will be not as

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Speaker 2: hard as what a lot of people are making.

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Speaker 1: Listen, did you see Audrey Young's piece in the Herall

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Speaker 1: today about David Seymour's behavior. Yeah, do you agree with

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Speaker 1: her that he may need to pull his head in

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Speaker 1: a little bit if he wants to be deputy prime minister.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, you know, lock, all coalition governments have disputes.

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Speaker 2: Remember Jim Anderson was once the deputy Prime minister. Is letter.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's it's a common facet I

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Speaker 2: guess of MMP that even though you go into a coalition,

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Speaker 2: you can't be buried, and many parties are by the

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Speaker 2: major party in a coalition and you've got to have

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Speaker 2: your own stand and certainly David Seymour is exacting that

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Speaker 2: with the Treaty Principles Bill. I think what David Seymour

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Speaker 2: has been is quite shrewd because what he's got, even

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Speaker 2: though he sniped the Prime Minister, and I think he

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Speaker 2: could resist from doing that. But what he's got his

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Speaker 2: debate on this issue, and I think we've just been

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Speaker 2: doing it now. I think that's a very good thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the calculation he has to make is who

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Speaker 1: is he trying to impress the most, Chris Luxen or

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Speaker 1: his voters as in Seymour's voters. Of course, his calculation

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Speaker 1: has quite clearly been just to impress the ACT Party voters.

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Speaker 1: And you can't argue with that.

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Speaker 2: You can't argue with that. I mean he's the head of.

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Speaker 1: ACT because all too often the minor coalition partner.

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Speaker 2: Trust swallow up and spat out.

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Speaker 1: Scerately to impress the prime minister of the bigger party

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Speaker 1: and look what happens. So they shouldn't have to brilliant stuff. Barry,

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Speaker 1: thank you, I really appreciate it. Barry So for Senior

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