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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today.

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Speaker 2: Sports Minister Chris Bishop on whether we really even have

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Speaker 2: a shot at hosting the America's Cup again. We're going

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Speaker 2: to go to court for the opening day in the

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Speaker 2: un fay bowel case. Black Caps coach Gary Stead on

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Speaker 2: how good it feels to beat India in India for

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Speaker 2: the first time since nineteen eighty eight. And Transport Minister

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Speaker 2: Simeon Brown on the first Road of national significance announcement

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Speaker 2: happening right now.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplessy Allen.

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Speaker 2: Well, as predictably as the clock striking twelve twice a day,

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Speaker 2: here we are with another America's when America's Cup went

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Speaker 2: under our bouts and we're talking yet again about whether

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Speaker 2: the America's Cup should be held in New Zealand. In

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Speaker 2: one corner you've got Helen Clark, who says kiwis need

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Speaker 2: to and want to witness a successful event at home.

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Speaker 2: So it's all about the fields and then the other corner.

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Speaker 2: David Seymour says, we're two brokes, so it's all about

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Speaker 2: the dollars. Look, I think I'm like most people. It'd

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Speaker 2: be nice if it was back here. I wouldn't say

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Speaker 2: nos that I'd enjoy it. I'd go out go watch it,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't you. But I don't want us to waste any

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Speaker 2: money on this right. This has to be above all

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Speaker 2: treated as a business decision, because that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: It is a business decision. It's a business decision for

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Speaker 2: Grant Dalton. He will sell the hosting rights to the

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Speaker 2: highest bidder, like he has this time around with Barcelona,

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Speaker 2: which was prepared to pay more than we were to

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Speaker 2: host the event, and that is the right thing for

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Speaker 2: him to do, to treat it as a business decision.

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Speaker 2: He would be a fool to take less than the

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Speaker 2: highest offer. And it's a business decision for New Zealand

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Speaker 2: as well well. We should be prepared to pay to

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Speaker 2: host the America's Cup, but no more than we can

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Speaker 2: make of it. There's no point whatsoever in losing money

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Speaker 2: on the America's Cup, which is what happened last time

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Speaker 2: around when we lost one hundred and fifty million bucks plus, which,

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Speaker 2: to be fair, was exacerbated by COVID. But we shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be expecting some sort of a favor from Grant because

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Speaker 2: Grant is a Kiwi citizen and we're a bunch of Kiwis.

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Speaker 2: If we accept it's a business decision, we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to strip out the lingering anger that we appear to

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Speaker 2: have at Grant Dalton's attitude in his way of going

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Speaker 2: about stuff. We have to strip out the nonsense about

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Speaker 2: sailing being an elitist sport. It may or may not be,

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Speaker 2: but it's also something we're just damn good at and

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Speaker 2: we should be proud of. And we also have to

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Speaker 2: strip out any kind of sentimentality that we deserve to

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Speaker 2: have some sort of a nice event here. You don't

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Speaker 2: deserve to have a nice event if it's gonna cost

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Speaker 2: us millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: that we do not have because we're broke. This is

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Speaker 2: a transaction in which we want to make money. We

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Speaker 2: want to come out in the black on this one.

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Speaker 2: And then on top of all of that, we have

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Speaker 2: to accept another fact, which is we're playing with the

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Speaker 2: big boys now. We're playing with the Saudi Arabias and

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Speaker 2: the Barcelonas, and some of those guys have got very

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Speaker 2: deep pockets, and it already sounds if you listen to

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Speaker 2: the people in Team New Zealand, it already sounds like

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Speaker 2: we don't really have a shot. So even if we

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Speaker 2: do put our best foot forward, it might not be enough.

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Speaker 2: We're just gonna have to leave it at that, because

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Speaker 2: if the event comes back, it should be coming back

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Speaker 2: because New Zealand wants to make money off the event.

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Speaker 2: Nothing else ever do for c Ellen. Nineteen nine two

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Speaker 2: welcomed away and now Health New Zealand. Hey geez, these

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Speaker 2: these guys just can't cop a break for reasons to

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Speaker 2: do with their own incompetence. They are under fire again

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Speaker 2: for spending sixty two thousand dollars for catering a three

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Speaker 2: day conference of three hundred health leaders. The bill included

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Speaker 2: at another sixty thousand dollars. Now joining us on this

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Speaker 2: is David Wills, the National director of the Nurses Society. Hi,

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Speaker 2: David Cara, what do you make of this?

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Speaker 4: I think it's a bad look more than anything else,

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Speaker 4: particularly in current circumstances. I mean, they spent, according to

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Speaker 4: That's about the equosent of hiring one nurse, to be honest,

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Speaker 4: But from a bout point of view, it's a bad

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Speaker 4: they'd do it now. It would be much better to

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Speaker 4: do a meeting like this online, like a lot of

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Speaker 4: other meetings that they've regularly had.

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Speaker 2: Why they do it even then? I mean the way

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Speaker 2: that you no disrespect for you to you, But the

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Speaker 2: way you've answered that question, it sounds like they know

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Speaker 2: they're in the stock now, and they didn't know they

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Speaker 2: were in the stock then they knew full well that

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Speaker 2: they were in the financial stock. Then they shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: done it then.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fair criticism that where they wouldn't do it

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Speaker 4: now because they're under extra pressure with the need to

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Speaker 4: get under their or their budgets supposedly overspent by one

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Speaker 2: But the only difference between now and then is that

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Speaker 2: we know this publicly, how much financial trouble are theren

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Speaker 2: They already knew it when they were holding the conference.

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Speaker 4: Certainly at that stage it was becoming clear that there

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Speaker 4: question of underspending the sense that they hired more staff

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Speaker 4: than they've got budget for, and that they think them

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Speaker 4: in a very difficult situation, both with the government and generally.

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't a question that you know, there was

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Speaker 4: don't want to give ammunition that you don't want to

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Speaker 4: make pr mistakes like this, and a conference like this

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Speaker 4: was it es central arguably not could they have done

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Speaker 4: it online? Three hundred leaders brought together for a meeting

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Speaker 4: over three days with the Minister. I think it was

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Speaker 2: David. What was the point of the conference?

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Speaker 4: Well, I was supposedly bringing together the Hair three and

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Speaker 4: key force for business managers for who are now in

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Speaker 4: full time positions and roles. Given it's eighteen months down

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Speaker 4: forward here the Minister and such like that arguably could

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Speaker 4: have been done online. They've done a lot of online

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Speaker 4: of some. It's the sensible way to go.

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Speaker 2: All, David, I really appreciate your time. Mate that David Wills,

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Speaker 2: who is the national director of the Nurser's Society. Look,

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Speaker 2: I don't care about spending thirty bucks ahead on cannapese, right,

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Speaker 2: that's probably what I don't. I don't know. I don't regularly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you. I don't regularly cater cannapes

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Speaker 2: would expect to pay I would imagine per head for cannapase.

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Speaker 2: My problem is why they're having a conference at all.

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Speaker 2: The conference. This is apparently what it was about. Connecting

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Speaker 2: with our strategic context means understanding the priorities from our

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Speaker 2: authorizing environment. This includes the Minister of Health and our

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Speaker 2: board chair speaking to the expectations of us as a system.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought it was pretty simple. What the

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Speaker 2: expectations of us as a system is. Do some hip operations,

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Speaker 2: do some knee operations, try not to kill people, hire

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Speaker 2: some nurses. Don't blow your budget? Like how hard? Why

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Speaker 2: do people need to get together all the time for

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Speaker 2: just random weird meetings about stuff. It happens in every workplace.

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Speaker 2: Ef a meeting about this? Why you know what your

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Speaker 2: job is? Just do your bloody job anyway. I just

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Speaker 2: I feel like maybe the solution to this is just

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Speaker 2: to go. You know what, conference is canceled, No more

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Speaker 2: public sector conferences. You want to have a conference, have

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Speaker 2: a teams meeting the end. That would solve this problem.

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Speaker 2: You don't need cannapase for a teams meeting anyway, would

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Speaker 2: be a hard time. I was your finance minister as

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Speaker 2: you can see, so I'm not for multiple reasons. But

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willison's and she'll be with us after six o'clock

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Speaker 2: on that hither giving granted a knighthood would be a

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Speaker 2: good start. This is Grant Dalton. Do you think given

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Speaker 2: grant knighthood would be more or less popular than the

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Speaker 2: knighthood we gave Jacinda? I can't decide who people like less.

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Speaker 2: Quarter past.

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Speaker 5: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 5: Allen drive with one New zealand one give leap for business,

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Speaker 2: Jason pine sports stalkhast with us. Now, Hey Piney, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Heather Piney. How much of all of the stuff that

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Speaker 2: happened in the weekend did you actually manage to watch?

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Speaker 6: I watched a lot of it. Yeah, I watched a lot. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I haven't had a lot of sleep, I must say,

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Speaker 7: because the unfriendly time zones and Barcelona and end up

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Speaker 7: in the UAE. But man, what a weekend. I can't

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Speaker 7: think of a better weekend and recent memory for our

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that explains me how the White Ferns was

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Speaker 2: so rubbish and now they've done this, have managed to

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: I can't explain it or apart from thinking that it

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Speaker 7: must be something to do with the momentum of getting

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Speaker 7: against India and then just carrying that momentum and that

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Speaker 7: belief and that confidence on that really is the only

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Speaker 7: explanation I can come up with. It certainly has got

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Speaker 7: nothing to do with the lead inform, which, as you say,

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Speaker 7: was just atrocious. No one expected this, but well they

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Speaker 7: often say cricket's a funny game, and T twenty is

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Speaker 7: the funniest brand of the funniest game.

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Speaker 6: And look they you have to hand it to them.

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Speaker 7: You know, this team that has been has been widely

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Speaker 7: written off in the last year or so, has basically.

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Speaker 6: Done when it counts it, Yeah, peak when it counted.

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Speaker 6: It's a triumph. It's a triumph for peaking when it matters.

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Speaker 2: That's too right, Hey, Liam Lawson. Has he proved himself

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Speaker 2: do you think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I don't know whether he had to, but he has

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Speaker 7: ninth from twentieth. You know, he was back the grid

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Speaker 7: because of a situation beyond his control. Where yet to

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Speaker 7: start at the back of the grid finishing ninth, which

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Speaker 7: picks up some points so I don't think there was

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Speaker 7: any doubt that Liam Lawson belongs in a seat in

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Speaker 7: Formula One. He's got six races five more now this

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Speaker 7: year to prove it. Unless something goes horribly catastrophically wrong,

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Speaker 7: he's got that seat again full time in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 7: But so good to see him back racing.

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Speaker 2: Did you think that the Auckland Football Club looked like

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Speaker 2: trouble for you?

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Speaker 6: Trouble for me personally?

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Speaker 2: You're a Phoenix fan.

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Speaker 6: Oh wonder what you were getting at?

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Speaker 1: Ah?

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Speaker 2: on Newstalk Zibi. I was mount smart as well. Piney

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Speaker 10: No, he clearly got this wrong. He calls hurt and

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Speaker 2: The question that Luxon has faced is whether the Parliamentary

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Speaker 2: I'll explain that in the tech also the Roads of

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Speaker 2: National Significance announcement. We'll explain that to headline's next.

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Speaker 3: Let's get connected and news talk because it'd be.

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Speaker 2: Olli Peterson on that shortly and finally our place enter

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Speaker 2: in England has said has had to apologize for putting

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Business Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Live presenters with us

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Speaker 2: OLLI Hello, get aheaders. So what's Lydia Thorpe just done?

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 13: She has just been removed from an official ceremony for

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Speaker 6: Take a listen, No we don't.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately we don't know it. That's all right.

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Speaker 13: So this is not your land, she yelled out to

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Speaker 2: You are not my king.

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Speaker 13: What has been overall a really joyous occasion. As I

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Speaker 13: So you know, he's doing the rounds, he's got official engagements,

438
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Speaker 13: he's been meeting members of the public. And you know

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Speaker 13: who says that Australians don't like them, Well, hold.

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Speaker 2: On a second. Your niece is just wandering down the

441
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Speaker 2: street and she bumps into the King as a thin crowd,

442
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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 13: She just finished tennis, Like He's what happens in Australia.

444
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Speaker 13: Like you just walk around, there's a king, getto mate,

445
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Speaker 13: there's a private getta elbow. I mean, you're from New Zealand,

446
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 13: like you know your.

447
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Speaker 2: It happens here exactly I'm surprised it happens. It's your people.

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Speaker 2: Why was he only at that lunch for ten minutes

449
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Speaker 2: though it's at luncheon his honor.

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Speaker 13: I know, you know what, and I just I think

451
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Speaker 13: I think he's just feeling it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not.

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Speaker 3: He it's obvious.

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Speaker 2: So what he showed up, had the first course and

455
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Speaker 2: then bugged off to have some nuts. Correct, did what

456
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Speaker 2: he had to do.

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Speaker 13: You know, look at everybody waves, smile like he probably

458
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Speaker 13: never come back here again, you know, unfortunately sadly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it's good to see him out

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Speaker 2: and about. He's coming to New Zealand, isn't he? Next

461
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Speaker 2: he gave us the bump? What do you know that?

462
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Speaker 2: You're just rubbing it in? You absolutely know that. How

463
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Speaker 2: about the ntbull though? Did you enjoy that?

464
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Speaker 13: Why don't we talking you know what what you're on that?

465
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Speaker 13: Why don't I give you some real praise with the

466
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Speaker 13: cricket like New Zealand beating India over the weekends amazing,

467
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Speaker 13: so good, and.

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Speaker 2: Then the cricket ladies took out the T twenty world

469
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Speaker 2: come over the weekends and then we beat you in

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Speaker 2: the football, the Auckland team, you beat the Brisbane team

471
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Speaker 2: in the football.

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Speaker 13: Look at one big happy family when we want to

473
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Speaker 13: beat when it's on my team.

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Speaker 2: Next you're going to be like, it's just a part

475
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Speaker 2: of Australia, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how expensive is this unlawful sacond going to be

478
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Speaker 2: for quantas?

479
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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Big time, huge, massive if this is replicated, and it

481
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Speaker 13: should be because remember seventeen hundred workers were still down

482
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Speaker 13: or illegally sacked.

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Speaker 3: It was in the end through the COVID years.

484
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Speaker 13: Three of the men offered one hundred and seventy thousand dollars.

485
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Speaker 13: Now we're talking about this now having the potential of

486
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Speaker 13: over fifty million dollars plus ground crew compensation. So the

487
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Speaker 13: Transport Workers Union is going to go really hard at

488
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Speaker 13: the National Carrier over this. Justice Michael Lee said today

489
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Speaker 13: helps some sort of common sense could prevail. So he's

490
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Speaker 13: ordered the union and quotas to meet about the total

491
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Speaker 13: amount payable to the unlawfully sacked baggage chandlers and cleaners.

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Speaker 13: Some people are saying could get as highs one hundred

493
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Speaker 13: million dollars, but fifty seems to be the mark. So

494
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Speaker 13: you know, watch the fact that your airfares are about

495
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Speaker 13: to go up.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that's not good. Hey, would you pay, by

497
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Speaker 2: the way, on speaking of money, would you pay five

498
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Speaker 2: thousand bucks to have a dinner with Elbow? Well that's

499
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Speaker 2: what he charges, right, is that on one? Or is

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Speaker 2: that okay?

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Speaker 13: So this is basically to get what they call a

502
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Speaker 13: labor round table. So you get the PM, and you

503
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Speaker 13: probably get most of his inner sanctum, so you might

504
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Speaker 13: get the treasurer, turn up in the Foreign Minister and.

505
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Speaker 2: Whoever else is available.

506
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Speaker 13: But five grand for a boardroom lunch or a dinner

507
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Speaker 13: with the Prime Minister and some of the members of

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Speaker 13: his cabinet.

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Speaker 2: So he does this.

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Speaker 13: He does this, He does this regularly and effectively. If

511
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Speaker 13: you want to be part of the club that even

512
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Speaker 13: qualifies to hold these sorts of lunches or dinners, you

513
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Speaker 13: have to pay anywhere from thirty thousand to one hundred

514
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Speaker 13: and ten thousand dollars a year just to have the

515
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Speaker 13: privilege of in fighting the Prime Minister to your offers

516
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Speaker 13: or your boardroom.

517
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Speaker 2: So you have like an entry level fee. So you

518
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Speaker 2: have the entry level fee just for the ability to

519
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Speaker 2: then potentially bump it up to a dinner.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Correct, So let's just say for arguments sake. You came

522
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Speaker 13: to Perth, Heather, we want to put on a lunch.

523
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Speaker 13: I mean, I reckon, we get what ten thousand bucks

524
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Speaker 13: a ticket?

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh hard out more than Alba for sure. And we

527
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Speaker 2: need it so we could buy the same kind of house. Yeah,

528
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Speaker 2: I love the way you're thinking. We could do that

529
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Speaker 2: all right, and Ollie, thank you very much. She's a

530
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Speaker 2: business opportunity. Oliver Pederson six PR Perth Life Present. By

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Speaker 2: the way, this is Lydia Thorpe's protest. She'd be fun.

532
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Speaker 2: She'd be fun at a party, wouldn't she. That's her

533
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Speaker 2: before she's on the raz. Imagine what she's like.

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Speaker 16: It'd be worth five thousand dollars for sure.

535
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'd pay five thousand dollars to go to dinner

536
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Speaker 2: with her, wouldn't you? And then because I'd take my

537
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Speaker 2: phone and then I'd just wait for it to cack off,

538
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Speaker 2: and then I'd film it and then I'd make money

539
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Speaker 2: off the video. That would be my business deal there, Hey,

540
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Speaker 2: speaking of none of the like, just changing the subject

541
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Speaker 2: completely from trying to make money off other people's misfortune.

542
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Speaker 2: Gary Stead. Gary Stead must be feeling some sweet vindication

543
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Speaker 2: today because it wasn't that long ago. I mean it

544
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Speaker 2: was about three or four months ago that people were

545
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Speaker 2: calling for him to quit as the coach, will be

546
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Speaker 2: sacked as the coach because the team was doing so

547
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Speaker 2: badly because of the early exit from the T twenty

548
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Speaker 2: World Cup, and it was like and Gary has not

549
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Speaker 2: had the easiest run with us. I mean, it's not

550
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Speaker 2: the first time we've called I wasn't me, by the way,

551
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Speaker 2: I'm not taking any responsibility for this, but we collectively,

552
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Speaker 2: it's not the first time we collectively have asked for

553
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Speaker 2: Gary to be shown the door. Right, Well, what just happened? Hello,

554
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Speaker 2: first victory in India against India since nineteen eighty eight.

555
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Speaker 2: He's going to be with us in a half an

556
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Speaker 2: hour's time. We'll just let him crow about that if

557
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Speaker 2: he wants to Quarter to.

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Speaker 1: Two politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get

559
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Speaker 1: payment certainty, Barris.

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Speaker 2: Seeing your political correspondence with us, Barry, Hello, good afternoon.

561
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Speaker 2: I was a scale of one to ten. How hard

562
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Speaker 2: is the press gallery going on? The Prime Minister over

563
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bailey's outsign?

564
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Speaker 17: Well, you know, the first significant part of the post

565
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Speaker 17: cabinet news conference today was taken up with the gallery

566
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Speaker 17: questioning Luxon on how the Andrew Bailey issue was handled. Now,

567
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Speaker 17: the point that Luckson was making, and I think it's

568
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Speaker 17: a fair point that he when Luxon raised it with

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Speaker 17: him with Andrew Bailey, he apologized profusely. He had attempted

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Speaker 17: to do that earlier before it got to the Prime

571
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Speaker 17: Minister's office. But the person who complained obviously was doing

572
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Speaker 17: the round. To be clearly, this is politically motivated because

573
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Speaker 17: it didn't only go to the Prime Minister's office. The

574
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Speaker 17: complaint from this person where to all the other political leaders,

575
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Speaker 17: the Party, the Labor Party, the Greens. They all got

576
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Speaker 17: this complaint from this person. And you know, I don't

577
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Speaker 17: know what a minister has to do, but this is

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Speaker 17: to me like a dad joke gone terribly wrong. And

579
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Speaker 17: to expect a minister or a Prime minister to say

580
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Speaker 17: he should surrender his warrant because he made a silly

581
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Speaker 17: mistake at a factory is patently ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: On a scale of one to ten. How hard is

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Speaker 2: the media going, because it sounds to me like they're

584
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Speaker 2: going quite hard for Andrew Basis, Like, as far as

585
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Speaker 2: the press gallery is concerned, this is a really big

586
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Speaker 2: deal and it's not you know, how about okay, so

587
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Speaker 2: how about this business about so the insinuation and has

588
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Speaker 2: come around again. The insinuation is that the National Party

589
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Speaker 2: got in touch with Parliamentary Services and told Parliamentary Services

590
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Speaker 2: to withdraw the email from the Labor, Greens and Marty Party.

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Speaker 2: That's the allegation.

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Speaker 17: Late, wouldn't it. They'd already have the email and they

593
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Speaker 17: don't have to surrender an email. They got through this.

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Speaker 2: So can I say, where's the proofs? Gallery is asking

595
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Speaker 2: absolutely impossible thing to It's theoretically possible, but there doesn't

596
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Speaker 2: seem to be any proof that Announce did this.

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Speaker 17: No. No, the other issues that were covered and this

598
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Speaker 17: was the main one, which is ridiculous. Sam and Brown

599
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Speaker 17: he's received advice from his advisors on the Wellington City

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Speaker 17: Council what to do there. He said he'll be now

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Speaker 17: considering it. Team new Zealand, the Prime Minister was asked

602
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Speaker 17: about are we going to put up any money to

603
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Speaker 17: Team New Zealand to host the event here? Prime Minister right,

604
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Speaker 17: and he says, well, that's over to Team new Zealand

605
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Speaker 17: where it's hosted. You know, they're open to having discussions

606
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Speaker 17: with them and that's as far as it can take.

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Speaker 17: It can go there, Solicitor General, the guidelines that you

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Speaker 17: put out the judiciary saying that mild he appears before them,

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Speaker 17: I have to take special notice on ethnicity grounds. The

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Speaker 17: Prime Minister has said, look, everybody is equal under the law,

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Speaker 17: and he's pleased that the Solicitor General has seen sense

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Speaker 17: and withdrawn that.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's pleased. Judith tidied it up.

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Speaker 6: Well, Judith, clearly Judith.

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Speaker 2: Tidied it up. Nobody wants to go toe to toe

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Speaker 2: with Judith Collins. Chogham has start and SAMOI.

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Speaker 17: Am massive when you think about, you know, the Commonwealth

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Speaker 17: Heads of Government meeting being in a tiny Pacific country.

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Speaker 17: They're expecting an RP of four thousand people. Our four

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Speaker 17: hundred and sixty personnel are being supplied by New Zealand itself.

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Speaker 17: Defense police ambulances even are being shipped out to or

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Speaker 17: Ship's probably wrong in Simuol's case, but they're being sent

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Speaker 17: to assist in what is a massive meeting. I've been

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Speaker 17: to these Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting, which I like

625
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Speaker 17: to call chaps holidayg on government money because and they

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Speaker 17: will certainly do that. In Samoa, King Charles is there

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Speaker 17: and the Queen Elizabeth used to go to many of

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Speaker 17: the Childers until she got a bit long in the

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Speaker 17: tooth to travel. I remember the first one I went

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Speaker 17: to was in the Bahamas, of all places, in Nassau

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Speaker 17: in nineteen eighty five with David Longhi and the Britannia

632
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Speaker 17: was birth there. Now, you know, when you look at

633
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Speaker 17: the scale of these things in a tiny little country

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Speaker 17: like Samoh hosting it, I think it's incredible and it

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Speaker 17: will I guess, as Winston Peters would say, highlight you know,

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Speaker 17: the Pacific itself and a small country in the Pacific,

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Speaker 17: because chogham has never been held in a country as

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Speaker 17: small as Samo before.

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Speaker 15: Really is it?

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Speaker 18: Never?

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Speaker 17: No? Never?

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Speaker 2: Amazing? Hey, very quickly, what do you make of the

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Speaker 2: Health Ministry cannopse?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 17: Well, I'd like to taste one. It was thirty two dollars.

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Speaker 2: No, it's notty dollars a cannope, it's a per head,

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Speaker 2: so you'd have.

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Speaker 17: It was written as though it was thirty four dollars.

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Speaker 17: And I know they were salmon. They would have been

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Speaker 17: terribly expensive, but that if that was the case. But look,

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Speaker 17: this came at a time was inappropriate at a time

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Speaker 17: when the Health Ministry was complaining about major deficits and

653
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Speaker 17: going into the red in a big way. And they

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Speaker 17: hold a conference giving out CANape as nineteen nine two

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Speaker 17: hundred dollars, lunch and breakfast sixty thousand dollars. I mean

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Speaker 17: they locked after the health boffins pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Very thanks very much, very so for senior political correspondent

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Speaker 2: siving away from five putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 9: Breakfast, the business of the America's Cup, the team you

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Speaker 9: Seeland boss Grunt dottings with us. We'll have the usual

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Speaker 9: post America's Cup conversation.

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Speaker 3: Now if you locked the team down? Are you locking

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Speaker 3: the team down?

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Speaker 9: What are you doing with all of that? Well, nothing yet,

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Speaker 9: itally just afterwards, but there's a conversation that will happen

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Speaker 9: pretty quickly. And I know after all and we did

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Speaker 9: a very thorough review, asked ourselves the question, we've just

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Speaker 9: lost this America's Cup. Why did we lose it? And

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Speaker 9: you have to come up with the right answers because

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Speaker 9: you go to make decisions these way to put it

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Speaker 9: as the decisions that are made in the next six

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Speaker 9: months will be the winning and the losing of the

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Speaker 9: next America's Cup. And that's the same for everything. You

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Speaker 9: make your decisions now and you better get them right

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Speaker 9: back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 9: the Raindrobe the Lamb News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Here the calm down. It's one win for the men's cricketers.

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Speaker 2: They are more than likely to get pumped in the

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Speaker 2: next two and lose the series. And Gary still needs

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Speaker 2: to go. Andrew, thank you very much. Now on Wellington

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Speaker 2: City Council. I was going to tell you about this

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Speaker 2: before Barry got to it, but I'm glad he touched

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Speaker 2: on it because it reminded me I do need to

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Speaker 2: tell you about it. Cabinet would probably actually have talked

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Speaker 2: about whether they should intervene in Wellington City Council today

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Speaker 2: because they because Samon Brown's got the advice already, right

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Speaker 2: He said last week would be one or two days

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Speaker 2: before we got the advice, so he'll have got the advice.

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Speaker 2: Most likely they thought about it today in cabinet. There's

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Speaker 2: an outside chance that it goes to cabinet next Monday.

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Speaker 2: He just doesn't want to announce it. Today's pretty cagy

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Speaker 2: on it.

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Speaker 19: I have received it and I'm considering it. Well, did

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Speaker 19: you say I'm not getting into the details of that.

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Speaker 19: I've received it and I'm considering.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, he's gonna be thats after half past five, so

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Speaker 2: we'll see if we can get anything out of him

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Speaker 2: to that the mayor. Cha's honestly, I mean, you can

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Speaker 2: see from a mile off this is not gonna work right.

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Speaker 2: Tory is Tory wants this to work, but a Tory

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Speaker 2: wants it to work according to the way that Toy

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Speaker 2: is gonna make it work.

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Speaker 16: Right.

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Speaker 2: There's no there is you can see there's no consensus here.

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Speaker 2: She's not playing fair. She has put out eleven principles

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Speaker 2: for where the cuts can be made at Wellington City

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Speaker 2: Council to try to get this long term plan across

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Speaker 2: the line. No cuts for water infrastructure, no cuts for

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Speaker 2: projects under contract or construction, maintenance or renewal budgets, social

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Speaker 2: housing projects like pool de gassification where cancelation rates would

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Speaker 2: increase rates. Or projects aimed at growing the city's economy,

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Speaker 2: which includes the Golden Mile revamp which basically leaves rats

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Speaker 2: and mice to be cut not gonna happen. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: have to intervene. She's just making the case for him anyway.

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop on the Marror Cup.

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Speaker 1: Next, pressing the newspeakers to get the real story. It's

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Speaker 1: hither duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected, Newstalk.

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Speaker 3: Said b.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon. Well as predictably as night is followed

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Speaker 2: by day A, Team New Zealand America's Cup win is

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Speaker 2: followed by a debate about whether New Zealand is going

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Speaker 2: to host the event again. Team New Zealand boss Grant

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Speaker 2: Dalton wouldn't rule it out this morning.

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Speaker 9: It is not off the table. It has never been

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Speaker 9: off the table. So if a amazing team can be

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Speaker 9: kept together and we believe that we can win, and

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Speaker 9: we can fly a viable event at home, we're coming home.

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Speaker 2: A lot of IF's in there those sports Minister Chris

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Speaker 2: Bishop is with us now, Hey.

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Speaker 3: Chris, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to host it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 20: I think New Zealanders will be up for it if

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Speaker 20: it works economically and Tea New Zealand actually want to

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Speaker 20: have it here. It's ultimately it's over to them. We've

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Speaker 20: had it here before. I mean, people enjoyed it, particularly

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Speaker 20: Auklanders does for benefits for the country, but you've also

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Speaker 20: got to do it or not. Do you know, think

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Speaker 20: about the flip side, which is that times are tight.

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Speaker 20: As everyone knows, there's no magic money tree at the

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Speaker 20: end of the garden, so we don't have an unlimited checkbook,

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Speaker 20: and you're dealing with quite big sums of taxpayer money here,

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Speaker 20: and we've got a lot of pressing calls on government

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Speaker 20: resources for investment. So there's a bit of water to

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Speaker 20: go under the proverbial bridge.

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Speaker 2: Yet, yeah, totally, do we know how much money we

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Speaker 2: would like, what our cap would be before we basically

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Speaker 2: start losing money on it?

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Speaker 20: Well, I think, you know, that's that's a hard question

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Speaker 20: to answer. I think there's a wait, a wee way

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Speaker 20: to run yet. I mean, firstly, let's just congratulate the

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Speaker 20: team and celebrate how amazing it was and incredible achievement

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Speaker 20: and they've all done extremely well, so let's enjoy that.

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Speaker 20: But then let's see where Team New Zealand want to

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Speaker 20: go as well, because ultimately it's over to them. They're

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Speaker 20: they're the defenders, they've won the Cup, they get to

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Speaker 20: decide where they hosted it.

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Speaker 2: They're just going to go for the money, aren't they.

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Speaker 20: Well, at the end of the day, I heard grunt Dalton,

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Speaker 20: you just played the clip there that you know he's

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Speaker 20: keen to come home if it's if it, but you

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Speaker 20: know it may not work for them. So if they

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Speaker 20: want to host it here, the government's up for a

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Speaker 20: conversation about it. But I'm just making the just making

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Speaker 20: the obvious point which I think taxpayer would expect me

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Speaker 20: to make, which is that there's not unlimited checkbook here.

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Speaker 20: We've got a lot of calls on our resources for

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Speaker 20: taxpayer investment. It's got to work economically for the country

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Speaker 20: as well, and you know we'll have to do an

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Speaker 20: assessment around that and see what the value proposition is.

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Speaker 2: So you're sounding a little bit reticent here. Is that

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Speaker 2: simply because the reality is that we are never going

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Speaker 2: to be able to outbid the Saudi Arabias of this world.

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Speaker 20: Well, if Saudi Arabia is in the mix, then I

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Speaker 20: think most New Zealanders would take the obvious from that,

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Speaker 20: which is that we can't compete. Right, Yeah, So let's

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Speaker 20: just be let's just be completely free and frank about it.

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Speaker 20: We're not going to outbid some of the people whom

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Speaker 20: potentially or some of the countries that might be in

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Speaker 20: the mix to host.

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Speaker 2: So then the English is the reality that in order

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Speaker 2: for us to win it, we'd need grant to do it.

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Speaker 2: Give us a give us a friendly discount.

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Speaker 20: Look, it's Team New Zealand's decision as to where they

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Speaker 20: host the next Cup, so the ball is in their court.

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Speaker 20: Let's see where they get to. The government's up for

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Speaker 20: a conversation around it. You know, we're happy to sit

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Speaker 20: down and have a discussion around it in the same

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Speaker 20: way that the previous government was and previous governments of both.

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Speaker 3: Stripes before that.

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Speaker 20: So we're happy to have a conversation about it. But

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Speaker 20: I'm just simply making the obvious point, which is that

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Speaker 20: there's not an unlimited check book here. The Crown books

795
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Speaker 20: are deep in the red. You know, there's no magic

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Speaker 20: money tree down the end of the garden. There's a

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Speaker 20: lot of things that people want us to spend money on.

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Speaker 20: So we're up for a conversation. But it's got to

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Speaker 20: work for us, and it's also got to work for

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Speaker 20: Team Who.

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Speaker 2: Calls who though? Do they call you or do you

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Speaker 2: call them?

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Speaker 20: Well, it's the day after the America's Cup, so I

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Speaker 20: suspect Grant and the rest of the team celebrating, and

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Speaker 20: that's fair enough, and I'm sure and due of course

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Speaker 20: they'll be turning their mind to where they they where

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Speaker 20: they want to go into the future. And we're ready

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Speaker 20: and willing to have a conversation.

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Speaker 2: Geez, what about that weekend to sport? Does this make

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Speaker 2: you the most successful sports minister in the history of

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 20: It's been pretty amazing, Like it's just incredible. Team usier

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Speaker 20: than the White I mean the White fans, you know,

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Speaker 20: first first victory in T twenty ever, I mean the

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Speaker 20: black Cats, first victory in thirty six years in India.

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Speaker 20: I mean I was five years old when we last

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Speaker 20: want to test in India. It's just amazing. And we

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Speaker 20: should have forget about the panel pedal ferns as well,

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Speaker 20: they've had no publicity, but the pedal fans there we go,

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Speaker 20: you know, won the World Champs.

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Speaker 2: Showing your depth as the sports minister there thank you

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Speaker 2: for that. Best appreciated, Chris Bership, Sports Minister five eleven Heather.

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Speaker 3: Due to CLA now, the murder.

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Speaker 2: Trial in the case of the real estate agent who

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Speaker 2: was killed Juan Fei Ball has started in the High

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Speaker 2: Court in christ Church today. The Crown says that Tinjun

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Speaker 2: Chow murdered Bell. He denies it. News Talk ZB reporter

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Speaker 2: Emily Ansel has been in Caurt today. Emily. Hello, Hello, Emily.

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Speaker 2: We don't actually know very much about this guy. We

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Speaker 2: don't know very much about what his motive might have been.

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Speaker 2: Has the Crown said anything about it today?

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Speaker 21: You they have today. We all went in a little

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Speaker 21: bit blind. But the Crown's opening address from Prosecutor Cameron Stewart,

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Speaker 21: they said that he said that both Boo and Cow

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Speaker 21: knew each other through exchanges on the Chinese messaging at whiched.

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Speaker 21: It appears BeO was helping Caw find Chaw sorry, find

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Speaker 21: a job. There needs to have been in New Zealand

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Speaker 21: for a few months. And the Crown then argued that

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Speaker 21: Chow had potentially lured Bow to a house for sale

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Speaker 21: on Trevors Street, which he said he was interested in

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Speaker 21: seeing and she said was available. It's there that the

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Speaker 21: Crown say she was assaulted. That's what we've heard sort

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Speaker 21: of so far about their relationship. However, one thing to

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Speaker 21: note is missus Stewart said the Crown doesn't actually need

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Speaker 21: to prove motives here. However, her remains suggested, or a

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Speaker 21: photo rather that they found on mister chilesbone suggested there

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Speaker 21: may have been a sexual element based on this photo

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Speaker 21: which is of a body of a female.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now it took them that this is the police.

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Speaker 2: It took them more than a year to actually find

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Speaker 2: her body, and eventually they found her in a shallow grave.

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Speaker 2: Do we know how them managed to find her?

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Speaker 21: We do now know a little bit more so. Yeah,

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Speaker 21: as you say, the grave was pretty shallow, just fifteen

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Speaker 21: centimeters along a tree line of private farmland that farmland

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Speaker 21: had already been searching. So the difference here or the

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Speaker 21: discovery was to do with the break through on Misspell's phone.

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Speaker 21: The phone itself was only sort of partially looked at

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Speaker 21: or investigated or able to be extracted initially by police

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Speaker 21: because of a protective pin number, but then this was

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Speaker 21: figured out a few months before her body was found,

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Speaker 21: and from there they were able to access data such

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Speaker 21: as Apple health data, which ended up recording the exact

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Speaker 21: number of steps taken by the person with her phone

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Speaker 21: after she was last seen across the farmland and around

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Speaker 21: that tree line area where she was found so that

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Speaker 21: was a pretty significant development.

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Speaker 2: Emily, thank you for running us throught Emily Ansel Newstalk.

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Speaker 3: Xavier Reporter together duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Goldris has lost her appeal against her shoplifting convictions. Now

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Speaker 2: Justice venning Is was the the judge who heard the case.

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Speaker 2: That they didn't seem to buy the argument that Golera's

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Speaker 2: Garman can't land a job at the International Criminal Court

874
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: because of her convictions. Basically, it appears the problem isn't

875
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: actually that Goleris has been convicted for this, it's that

876
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: Golera's next stuff that's the problem right there. She needs

877
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: a practicing certificate from the Law Society here in New

878
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: Zealand if she wants to go and practice at the ICC,

879
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: and she hasn't got a practicing certificate from the Law

880
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: Society in New Zealand. And when the law society comes

881
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: to consider whether she is fit and proper to be

882
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: a lawyer, they're not going to consider the fact that

883
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: she's been convicted or not. Marganis considered the fact that

884
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: she went into scott He's a next stuff and did

885
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: it repeatedly. So if she, if and only if she

886
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: gets the practicing certificate, then the job at the ICC

887
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: becomes possible. It's not possible now she has't got a certificate.

888
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: So he did not buy that argument about the whole

889
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: job at the ICC business. Anyway. He did also consider

890
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: whether a conviction was unfair for what she did, and

891
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: he decided no, it was actually fair. And so that

892
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,879
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918
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Speaker 2: Allen nineteen past five. Listen, we're going to come back

919
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: to the Andrew Bailey kafuffle that's been going on with

920
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: the press gallery over in Wellington at the moment right now.

921
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: In amongst all of the key we sporting success of

922
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: the weekend, the black Caps have managed to win, as

923
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: Chris Bishop was just saying, before a test in India

924
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: for the first time since nineteen eighty eight. The second

925
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: Test starts on Thursday. Head coach Gary statters with us, Now,

926
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: Hey Gary, Hi there, Heather, congratulations, how on earth did

927
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: you guys manage this?

928
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 9: Well?

929
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 14: We had a little bit of luck with the toss

930
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 14: that probably, well, it didn't fall our way, but it

931
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 14: ended up doing that. So they India got stuck on

932
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 14: a wet wicket and we managed to bolb beautifully then

933
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 14: and then get a good lead. And I thought the

934
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 14: guys played really really well throughout. And it's always nice

935
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 14: to put into your under pressure over here because they're

936
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 14: a very, very tough team to beat.

937
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: Totally, Do you feel vindicated, Gary, because it wasn't that

938
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: long Agoma is only a few months ago people were

939
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: calling for your head because of the performance at the

940
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: TEA twenty World Cup.

941
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 14: And now look, Nah, it doesn't change anything I do.

942
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: Really, that's a game. Doesn't get into your head at all.

943
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 14: Nah, it's a game. Look, I mean if you worry

944
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 14: about stuff like that, you get your mind gets taken

945
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 14: away from the game. So we have a lot of

946
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 14: trust and belief in what we're doing as a team

947
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 14: and as sport. As you can see with many things

948
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 14: that have happened around the world, you get winners and.

949
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 15: Losers and that's just part of the part of the sport.

950
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: Have you guys got a bit of a captain's curse

951
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: going on?

952
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 15: No?

953
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 14: I don't think so.

954
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 13: Why is that?

955
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: Well, what happened to Tom Latham. H Well, I mean

956
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: he's out for fifteen and then he's out for a

957
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: duck because he's become the captain. Meanwhile Tim Southy who's

958
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: no longer the captain.

959
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 14: Beautiful, Well, maybe we change it around all the time.

960
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: You think, I think you should like you basically give

961
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: it as a punishment to members of the spots they

962
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: do poorly from test to test.

963
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 14: Look, I mean it's a tough job being an open

964
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 14: batter in world cricket. And look Jasper b Boomer who

965
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 14: got Tom them out yesterday as one of the best

966
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 14: around and it was. It was very very challenging early

967
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 14: on and for Rust only lose two wickets in that

968
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 14: first speller was pretty incredible really, so I thought, there's

969
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 14: a lot of courage shown by everyone out there.

970
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: And listen, I understand you watched the women in the

971
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: final of the T twenty their own World Cup. What

972
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: do you reckon happen there? Because they were really bad,

973
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, in the lead up to this tournament and

974
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden I just pulled through.

975
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 18: Yeah.

976
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 14: Look again, it comes down to knowing where you're trying

977
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 14: to head as a team and what you're trying to do,

978
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 14: and I know that they had had trust and what

979
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 14: they were doing. They played some very good teams in

980
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 14: the lead up, and results don't always completely give you

981
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 14: a full picture of where things are at. And I

982
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 14: think it's always easy as a fan that you want

983
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 14: to see wins all the time, but it's unrealistic and

984
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 14: international international sport, and look, I'm just delighted for the

985
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 14: players there and the staff, and I know the hard

986
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 14: work that goes on behind the scenes.

987
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: Hey, Gary, listen, thanks very much, and good luck with

988
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: the remaining two tests. That's scary, stead the black Caps

989
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: coach hither I agree on the approach read the America's

990
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: Cup asn't treated like a business decision. But if it

991
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: isn't going to be held here, then we need to

992
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: drop the name Team New Zealand. Listen, I get a

993
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: lot of texts suggesting we need to drop the name

994
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: Team New Zealand. I think that's really short sighted because

995
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: can you imagine the benefits that we are getting right now,

996
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: if not if only for our boating industry, a marine

997
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: industry in this country from having the name Team New Zealand.

998
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: That's free for us that they are calling themselves Team

999
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: New Zealand and basically doing promotion for New Zealand. I'm

1000
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: grateful for that. They can host the Bloody Cup wherever

1001
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: they want, as long as they keep calling us Team

1002
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Five twenty two.

1003
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

1004
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's

1005
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as they'd be.

1006
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: Simon Brown's good. By the way, the first road of

1007
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: national significance is the Hawks Bay Highway Expressway and it's

1008
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: going to be four lane and Simon Brown's going to

1009
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: talk to us after the headlines about that.

1010
00:45:59,680 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 17: Right now.

1011
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: It is five twenty five. Now the press gallery, as

1012
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: we've been discussing, is going hard on the pre Prome

1013
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: Minister today on the Andrew Bailey thing. And the latest

1014
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: twist is that the guy who complained about it sent

1015
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: an email to three political parties, being the Labor Party,

1016
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: Green Party, a Marti Party and for some reason the

1017
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: email was recalled as being spam and the journals are

1018
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: now asking if the National Party had ordered Parliamentary Services,

1019
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: who run the IT system, to recall the email as spam,

1020
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: so the opposition parties wouldn't see it. So far, they

1021
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 2: haven't ponied up any evidence to suggest the NATS actually

1022
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: did do this, So we're going to assume at the

1023
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: stage that until and if some evidence does emerge, what

1024
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: we're actually dealing with is just the original case, which,

1025
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: as Andrew Bailey calls a guy a loser. With the

1026
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: benefit of a few days over the weekend, I think

1027
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: we can see that the whole thing is just a nothing.

1028
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously not everybody sees it like that. Clearly,

1029
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: the press gallery are worked up, and there was a

1030
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: noble effort that was made over the weekend by a

1031
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: few people on blogs and social media and in columns

1032
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: to blow this thing into an almighty example of how

1033
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: the Born to Rule National Party sneers at the working

1034
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: But it really wasn't that. I mean, if you've met

1035
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: Andrew Bailey at all, you know he's a bit eccentric, right.

1036
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: He once dragged a sled to the South Pole. I mean,

1037
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: how many of us want to do that kind of stuff, right,

1038
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: And his eccentricity comes through in his jokes and his

1039
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: interaction with people. He's a dad joker. He makes lame jokes,

1040
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: and this is obviously one of them. Now you've got

1041
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: to be suspicious about the other guy involved in this.

1042
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: The motivations of the guy who complained, the fact that

1043
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: he went to the opposition parties indicates he was happy

1044
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: to make this a political drama. And if you read

1045
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: his letter, which has been released in full, I mean

1046
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: he's trying very hard to do the old woe with me.

1047
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: I've been hurt and humiliated routine. And when someone overdoes

1048
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: the old SOB story about how uncomfortable they were made

1049
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: to feel to the level that this guy has, I

1050
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: always suspect that their actual complaint and they know it

1051
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: is petty and pathetic and they're having to hype it

1052
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: up actually in truth, Andrew Bailey handled this well. Right

1053
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: after he'd heard the guy had taken offense, he wrote

1054
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: to a letter to to apologize. It did implicate the guy.

1055
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: The guy went to the opposition parties. Andrew Bailey Frontfoot

1056
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: did it, release the letter and released his apology publicly.

1057
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: Apart from being weirdly cagey about the facts in the

1058
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: interviews on Friday, what else could he have done? He

1059
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: apologized and apologized again. What else could he have done

1060
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: right there. But for the grace of God, go all

1061
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 2: of us. Hands up. Who hasn't made a really lame

1062
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: joke at work?

1063
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 6: We all have.

1064
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: Most of us are lucky, we're not MPs. Most of

1065
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: us are lucky we didn't come across this winger when

1066
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: we made the joke so we could go and complain

1067
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: about it publicly. This is just actually a run of

1068
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: the mill, put your foot in your mouth moment, short

1069
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: of some more evidence to make some other claims stack up,

1070
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: short of that emerging, it is not the political drama

1071
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: that some would have us believe. As I say, Simon

1072
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: and Brown's gonna be with us very shortly and huddle,

1073
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: got Josie and Tresh. We're going to talk about what's

1074
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: been going on at duneed and if you haven't seen that,

1075
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: we're coppying the world headlines for the sign at duned

1076
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you about it.

1077
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 19: And just to tick.

1078
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: News is next, hard questions, strong opinion ever due for

1079
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: see Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

1080
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: and news talk as that be.

1081
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 11: Falling maybe before the first time.

1082
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: Maybe it's.

1083
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: A very good point on the text. It's that we've calculated.

1084
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: We've been told how much this Health New Zealand conference,

1085
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: all all the cannapas told how much that costs. Doesn't

1086
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: take into account the accommodation and the flights for three

1087
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: hundred people as well, and how do you know how

1088
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Speaker 2: many of them coming out at Wellington? So Nikola Willis

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Speaker 2: is going to be us after six we have a

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Speaker 2: chat to her about that. The huddle standing by now

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Speaker 2: our work has started on the first new road of

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Speaker 2: national significance. It's the Hawks Bay Expressway being expanded into

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Speaker 2: a four lane highway. Transport Minister is Simeon Brown A Simn,

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Speaker 2: how are you? I'm very well, thank you. Before we

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Speaker 2: get to the roads of national significance, Wellington City Council,

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Speaker 2: did the intervention thing come up at cabinet today?

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Speaker 19: Look, I've received advice and I'm considering it in regards

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Speaker 19: to the next steps in terms of Wellington City Council.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if you decide that you intervene, you want

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Speaker 2: to intervene, that goes to cabinet. If you decide you

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Speaker 2: don't want to intervene, does it go to cabinet?

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Speaker 19: Well, ultimately under the Act it's a ministerial power which

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Speaker 19: I have to take into account the legislation. It's a

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Speaker 19: serious issue. But obviously, as I said, I've received the advice.

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Speaker 19: I'm now considering it, so.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to take it to cabinet.

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Speaker 19: Well, it's a ministerial it's a ministerial power that's under

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Speaker 19: the Act. However, you know, with all of these things,

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Speaker 19: consultation with colleagues is important. But as I've said, look,

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Speaker 19: there's some serious issues here that we've asked for advice on.

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Speaker 19: I've now received that advice and I'm considering it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you see the eleven principles that came out

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Speaker 2: today that Tory Faro has laid out for her counselors.

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Speaker 19: Oh, look, I haven't seen that yet. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 19: I met with the mayor last week and she raised

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Speaker 19: a number of you know, a number of areas that

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Speaker 19: she's looking at in terms of trying to address the issue.

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Speaker 19: But as I said, this is a signific can issue

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00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 19: for the Council to relitigate its entire long term plan.

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Speaker 19: I've asked for some advice in terms of the intervention powers,

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Speaker 19: and I'm considering.

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Speaker 2: That advice now. The reason I ask if you've seen

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Speaker 2: these eleven principles is that it feels like she's ring

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00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: fencing and safeguarded. She's just laying out the rules, right,

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Speaker 2: She's like, you can touch anything, but you can't touch

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Speaker 2: these things that are important to me, which hardly feels

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00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: like the kind of spirit that is needed around that

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Speaker 2: table to actually get things done. And I mean, do

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Speaker 2: you feel convinced at all that you are seeing signs

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Speaker 2: from either side that they actually can achieve some sort

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Speaker 2: of consensus here.

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Speaker 19: Well, I think the key thing here is, as I

1133
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 19: said last week, this decision made by the council to

1134
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Speaker 19: effectively re litigate the entire long term plan is concerning.

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Speaker 19: The focus here is on the impact potential impact on ratepayers.

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Speaker 19: That's what we're concerned about. But as I said, I've

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Speaker 19: asked with some advice, which is now delivered to me

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Speaker 19: by How can now be considering?

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Speaker 2: How come you guys met last week and neither of

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Speaker 2: you raised the intervention possibility. That's weird.

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Speaker 19: The reality is, you know, we both acknowledged that I'd

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Speaker 19: asked for advice, I had not yet received it at

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Speaker 19: that point. I've now received it and I'm considered.

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Speaker 2: But did you guys, like for the whole meeting just

1145
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Speaker 2: talk around it.

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Speaker 19: Well, I'm not going to go into the detail of

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Speaker 19: the meeting, but the reality is, you know, she outlined

1148
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Speaker 19: some of the plans she has to try and address

1149
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Speaker 19: the issue. But the key issue here is the Councilor's

1150
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Speaker 19: decided to religate its entire long term plan. Our governments

1151
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Speaker 19: focus here is on the impactful potential impact on ratepayers.

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00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 19: We're now we've received advice in regards to the next

1153
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Speaker 19: steps on that and I'm considering.

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Speaker 2: It, okay. And when are you going to make a

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Speaker 2: decision do you think, Well, I.

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Speaker 19: Need to take time to consider it as a serious

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Speaker 19: issue under the Government Act, and we're considering.

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Speaker 2: It, okay. This road, when do you expect to finish

1159
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Speaker 2: this road in Hawks Bay?

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Speaker 19: Well, the advice I've got from MZ had to be

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Speaker 19: three years of construction to deliver the first stage, which

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Speaker 19: is the most critical stage, which is the stage which

1163
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 19: was started early works. Today holds about twenty ninth or

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Speaker 19: about twenty nine thousand cars move on that road each

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Speaker 19: and every day, and it can get incredibly congested during

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Speaker 19: peak hours. And I think I'd just say to the

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Speaker 19: good people of Hawks Bay, this road would not have

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Speaker 19: started early works today. If they hadn't devoted for national

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Speaker 19: at the last election, this is great news.

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Speaker 2: Listen to why did you decide to go for this one?

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Speaker 2: First though? Is there a project to be pround around

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 19: Armies, assuanz Eta is. Look, we've identified the roads of

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Speaker 19: national significance. This is a program of roading upgrades to

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Speaker 19: unlock economic growth and productivity across New Zealand. I've said

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Speaker 19: to them we need to find the opportunity to get

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Speaker 19: early works under construction, to get to construction as quickly

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Speaker 19: as possible. We want to be a government which gets

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Speaker 19: things done, and so I've been looking for opportunities. The

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Speaker 19: great thing here is this is designated road. It's already

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Speaker 19: got a designation in place. They're using sand sorry are

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Speaker 19: they using silt which is from the cyclone. They're using

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Speaker 19: it to compact the ground so that they can bring

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Speaker 19: forward the full construction next year on this important road

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Speaker 19: and national significance.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff. Hey, Siman, thanks very much for talking us

1187
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Speaker 2: through at Simi and Brown, Transport Minister with New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Southby's international realty, local and global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 2: Well, the heddle of this has even got Treshurson, Shirson,

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Speaker 2: Willis pr and Joe SPEERGANI child fun Ceo. Hello ladies,

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Speaker 2: Hello Jose. We're not going to see the America's Cup

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Speaker 2: hosted here, are we?

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Speaker 12: I doubt it very much. And that's the problem, right,

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Speaker 12: if we're paying, If we were thinking of paying one

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Speaker 12: hundred hundred million dollars, what are we getting in return

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Speaker 12: for it? We would have to have viewing rights, we'd

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Speaker 12: have to have it hosted here, we'd have to have

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Speaker 12: a whole cost benefit analysis. But the thing I was

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Speaker 12: thinking about this today, Yeah, we won at the America's

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Speaker 12: Cup yesterday. It was not on any of the front

1201
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Speaker 12: pages of the global newspapers except maybe tiny, you know,

1202
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 12: little stories, So it's not the global event, not even

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Speaker 12: in the UK really, I mean, it was just it

1204
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Speaker 12: was in the I don't know, I was on the

1205
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Speaker 12: front page, but it was a small story. None of

1206
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 12: the US papers I could find I couldn't find it.

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Speaker 12: It was a small story in the Times in the UK.

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Speaker 12: So it just isn't that big global event that it

1209
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Speaker 12: used to be. So what are we getting, like a

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Speaker 12: hundred million dollars? You could get a hell of a

1211
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Speaker 12: lot of good pr for New Zealand some other way.

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Speaker 12: On principle, I wouldn't mind spending that money if I

1213
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Speaker 12: thought we would get the benefits for it. We're just

1214
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Speaker 12: not going to get them. And frankly, I don't quite

1215
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 12: trust Grant Dalton and Team New Zealand to prioritize hosting

1216
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 12: it here anyway and bringing it home.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Trisha.

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Speaker 22: On the one hand, New Zealand's major events pipeline is

1219
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 22: wide open.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of holes in that calendar. Nothing,

1221
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: nothing in that bucket.

1222
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 12: Sort of tumbleweed goingweeds.

1223
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Speaker 22: But this is not This is not the America's Cup

1224
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Speaker 22: that we grew up with with Sir Peter Blake. This

1225
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Speaker 22: is a totally different thing. And I went and had

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Speaker 22: a lot today. I think that the biggest clue has

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Speaker 22: probably already been given about the next venue, and that

1228
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Speaker 22: was given by Mateo Mateodnora, who has been Team New

1229
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 22: Zealand's a big backer for years and years, and he

1230
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 22: was in an Italian newspaper and he said that if

1231
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Speaker 22: the next series is to be held within two years,

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Speaker 22: it would either stay in Barcelona or go to the

1233
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Speaker 22: Middle East. Don't forget for the first time last year

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Speaker 22: as part of this America's Cup, there was some prelim

1235
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 22: racing in Jetda in Saudi Arabia, and it looks like

1236
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Speaker 22: from what Matodinora said that you know, the Saudi Arabia

1237
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Speaker 22: would be high up on that list.

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Speaker 2: We can't compete. We just don't have the kind of money. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just think we need to get realistic about it. Now,

1240
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Speaker 2: what do you reckon, Josie. Is this Andrew Bailey business?

1241
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: Is this born to rule sneering at workers from the

1242
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: National Party or was it just a dad joke that

1243
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: was poorly received.

1244
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 12: Look, I think it's just silly. It was a silly

1245
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 12: joke that backfired. It's not resignation material, and you start

1246
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 12: to devalue the call for resignations if you make this

1247
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 12: a reason.

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00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 2: An atmostoperic columnist at the weekend who said he needs

1249
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 2: to be stripped of his so.

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Speaker 12: Andrew Barts wrote a column, you know, and she had

1251
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 12: a good point about well. I think the point that

1252
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 12: she made that resonated with me was that even if

1253
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 12: you think the joke was just a dad joke that backfired,

1254
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 12: there is a political risk for National that they start

1255
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 12: to look and sound like the party that's out of

1256
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 12: touch with New Zealanders. And we're seeing that in the

1257
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 12: polling for Luxe. And even if you don't think it's true,

1258
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 12: you know, fifty more than I think about fifty percent

1259
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 12: of us think that he's out of touch with most

1260
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Speaker 12: New Zealanders. So there's a danger that this just feeds

1261
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Speaker 12: into the narrative. Doesn't matter if Andrew Bailey meant.

1262
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Speaker 1: It or not.

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Speaker 12: And I think and I do think that's a real

1264
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Speaker 12: risk for national.

1265
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: But not worth losing your job over.

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Speaker 12: Oh definitely not. I mean, you are just devaluing a

1267
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 12: call for resignation you think this is I mean, you

1268
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 12: look back on Joe I remember when John Key, you know,

1269
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Speaker 12: he got rid of Phil Heatley, wasn't it for not

1270
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 12: declaring two bottles of expenses and so on? And you

1271
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 12: know that seemed like a bit of overkill, but he

1272
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 12: was kind of wanting to prove that he was a

1273
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Speaker 12: strong leader. And then Phil Heatley came back shortly after that.

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Speaker 12: You know, he did some time in the in the

1275
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 12: naughty corner and then came back. So you could argue

1276
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 12: that maybe Luxenerby wanted to show that he's the sort

1277
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 12: of political hard man that we're not sure he is. Maybe,

1278
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 12: but that's just politics, right. I don't think in principle

1279
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Speaker 12: this really warranted a reason.

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Speaker 2: Trisia, what you take, but I'm going to get it

1281
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Speaker 2: after the break if you don't mind.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

1283
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: elevate the marketing of your home.

1284
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Speaker 2: All right, we're back with the huddle Tricius and Josip Biguanni. Tristia,

1285
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Speaker 2: what do you make of the Andrew Bailey situation.

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00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 22: Well, it's one of my favorite shouts in politics because

1287
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 22: it always makes me smile when they always say, that's right, resign,

1288
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 22: you know in the house when if anything happens, but

1289
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 22: whatever happens from here, it will actually be a judgment

1290
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 22: on political judgment.

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Speaker 2: And someone much wiser.

1292
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Speaker 22: Than me today said, and I thought this was very

1293
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 22: stage advice that in politics you don't have to be

1294
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 22: liked by your colleagues, but you have to be trusted

1295
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 22: in your political judgment. And I think you know, serving

1296
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 22: up Friday front page headlines to your hard working leader

1297
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Speaker 22: who already, as Josie has pointed out, is struggling with

1298
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 22: a perception around national about sort of political judgment overall,

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Speaker 22: and just you know, it's an easy narrative for the

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Speaker 22: other side to bet in about, you know, national ministers

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Speaker 22: who are out of touch. I think those will be

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Speaker 22: the questions in Chris Luson's mind, not for now. But

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Speaker 22: it's the kind of thing that you just save up

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Speaker 22: for down the track when you're weighing up different.

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Speaker 12: The resignation call does get checked around all the time,

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Speaker 12: doesn't it. And I remember once you might have even

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Speaker 12: been hosting it.

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Speaker 16: That was on Q and A.

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Speaker 12: And I called for Jerry Browny's resignation very you know,

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Speaker 12: loudly and principally that he should resign to you he'd

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Speaker 12: walk through an a New Zealand security check or something

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Speaker 12: without being checked or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Nothing.

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Speaker 12: It was a nothing thing, and Jerry's love and called

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Speaker 12: his resignation And ended up the airport trying to get

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Speaker 12: my way into the Crow Club to get a free

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Speaker 12: glass of wine, and Jerry says, I'll get you in.

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Speaker 12: I'll so I ended up sitting in the Courrow Club

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Speaker 12: drinking wine with guys.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean it.

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Speaker 15: I don't mean it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's lovely. That's the only thing that you want

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Speaker 2: out of it is everybody forgives in the end. Listen,

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Speaker 2: Trish the thing about the cannapas, I'm not so offended

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Speaker 2: that the cannape is thirty bucks ahead. I'm offended that

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Speaker 2: they're having this conference. Stall, Why are they having this conference?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I need to get three hundred bosses into a room together. Look,

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Speaker 2: what is the How do you not know what your

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Speaker 2: job is?

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Speaker 22: I feel like every week we turn up to have

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Speaker 22: a chat to you and there's some other story along

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Speaker 22: these lines. So last week it was the film commission

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Speaker 22: off to Khan and having been to Cahn myself, it's

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Speaker 22: not a cheap exercise. But well not when you go Trish, No, no, no,

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Speaker 22: actually I did go in an official capacity as a judge,

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Speaker 22: just clearing that up.

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Speaker 16: Years ago.

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Speaker 12: I know represented land.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was nothing.

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Speaker 22: But in terms of of this kind of public sector

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Speaker 22: spending at the moment, you know, it's really hard to

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Speaker 22: argue these headlines when they when they come up, and

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Speaker 22: I think they are a warning signal to everyone in

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Speaker 22: these departments to go, do we really.

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Speaker 3: Need to do this?

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Speaker 22: Are there a couple of emails that we could send

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Speaker 22: that are going to.

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Speaker 15: Deal with this?

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Speaker 22: Or is there a way to, you know, to make

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Speaker 22: this sharper and cheaper and quicker.

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Speaker 12: I don't mind you, right, I don't mind people getting

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Speaker 12: together for work if it's going to come up with

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Speaker 12: an outcome. And I think we can get a bit

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Speaker 12: smelling salts about the hair strains.

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Speaker 2: And how can you achieve with three hundred people in

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Speaker 2: a room.

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Speaker 12: Look, I tell you what if they reduce hospital waiting lists.

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Speaker 12: I don't care how many canopies they take, but they're

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Speaker 12: not going three. But the bigger problem you you mentioned

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Speaker 12: this just now. He the bigger problem is what was

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Speaker 12: the purpose of that means the point it was called

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Speaker 12: connect twenty four and let me read you what they said.

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Speaker 12: The purpose was connecting with our strategic contact means understanding

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Speaker 12: the priorities from our authorizing environment. Now let me translate

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Speaker 12: to you. That means understand the priorities of the guys

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Speaker 12: who just won the election because they be debossed now

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Speaker 12: and you've got to understand what they want. I mean,

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Speaker 12: it's like, do you really need to talk in gibberish?

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Speaker 4: And you need to be.

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Speaker 2: Simple, right, it's do save people's lives, do the operations,

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Speaker 2: don't blow the budget. It's not don't drown in words, Salard.

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Speaker 22: And here's the other here's the big issue. So we're

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Speaker 22: all in here getting all, you know, work worked up,

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Speaker 22: pasterical three women.

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Speaker 2: Spoutings so worked out.

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Speaker 22: I don't well, I don't think I've reached that boiling

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Speaker 22: point yet, but who knows. But the bigger issue is,

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Speaker 22: and you know, talking to people working in the health sector,

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Speaker 22: the shamozzle that is happening now because no decisions can

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Speaker 22: be made because Health New Zealand is just in a

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Speaker 22: state of turmoil. So people at an operational level trying

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Speaker 22: to get decisions about things like can we hire a

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Speaker 22: new nurse we need or a doctor we need aren't

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Speaker 22: getting done. And I think it's more those people who

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Speaker 22: see these headlines and just think, what why am I

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Speaker 22: turning up to work every day?

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Speaker 2: I exactly agree.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, if you can do something about the

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Speaker 12: hell that the health sector is, and at the moment,

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Speaker 12: by all means to do that, but then call your conference,

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Speaker 12: let's sort out the let's sort out the province.

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Speaker 2: In the health sector. And I don't if you had

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Speaker 2: that as a conference name, I'd go to it, and

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Speaker 2: probably you'd only have two people there because they'd be

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Speaker 2: the decision makers. Guys, thanks so much appreciated. Trisherson and

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Speaker 2: josephganni O a huddle of this evening. It's coming up

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Speaker 2: seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen

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01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for business

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Speaker 1: news talk as it be.

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Speaker 2: Hither over a billion people watch the America's Cup on TV.

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Speaker 2: It's twice the number that watched the last Rugby World Cup,

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01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: as if to say, might not have featured in the

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Speaker 2: newspapers but still was a very popular event. Hither, I

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Speaker 2: have to say I'm a National Party supporter and honestly

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Speaker 2: this business Andrew Bailey makes me like the more. It's

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Speaker 2: unexpected outcome because it shows that they are genuine Kiwi

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Speaker 2: blokes that don't mind having a laugh. Problem is brackets

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Speaker 2: at other people's expense. Some would say, listen, Trumpy, now

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Speaker 2: Trump's be Somebody sent me a text earlier before and said,

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Speaker 2: how about Donald Trump working at McDonald's because that's Jedi

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Speaker 2: level trolling of Karmela, which actually it is. So what's

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Speaker 2: happened is Trumpy has gone over and done a little

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Speaker 2: stint at McDonald's today, put on his apron and scooped

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Speaker 2: up some fries.

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Speaker 9: Keep it take.

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Speaker 21: You have the sole donner.

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Speaker 18: He never touches the human hand.

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Speaker 3: Very good.

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Speaker 2: A nation full loves that. It never touches the human hand,

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Speaker 2: because if you know Trumpy, you know he hates a germ.

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Speaker 2: Right then, of course, popped out the window at the

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Speaker 2: drive through pickup counter, gave the orders to the drivers,

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Speaker 2: who were no doubt completely surprised.

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Speaker 18: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: That's a good okay, have a good time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 16: I see I see it the word.

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Speaker 2: Now that, by the way, something of a dream come

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Speaker 2: true for Trumpet, because nobody loves a McDonald's feast more

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Speaker 2: than Donald Trump. But also he did this to troll

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Speaker 2: Carmela about her claim that she'd worked at McDonald's.

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Speaker 18: I love McDonald's, I love jobs. I like to see

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Speaker 18: good jobs, and I think it's inappropriate when somebody puts

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Speaker 18: down all over the place that she worked at McDonald

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Speaker 18: It was a big part of her resume that she

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Speaker 18: worked at McDonald's, how tough a job it was. She

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Speaker 18: specifically worked at the French fry where her make the

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Speaker 18: French fries, and she talked about the heat it was

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Speaker 18: so tough. She never worked at McDonald's.

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Speaker 2: Now, the reason he says she never worked at McDonald's

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01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: because it's a little bit murky about whether Karmla did

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Speaker 2: work at McDonald's because she claims she worked at a

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Speaker 2: mckidee's in California, and her campaign told the newspaper The

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Speaker 2: Times that it happened in nineteen eighty three while she

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Speaker 2: was at university. But then they couldn't provide The Times

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Speaker 2: any family or friends to vouch for her that she

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Speaker 2: had in fact worked at mcidee's and this particular macades.

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Speaker 2: And then the Telegraph is reporting that staff at that

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Speaker 2: McDonald's have now been sworn to secrecy and they're not

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Speaker 2: allowed to talk to the media about whether she did

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Speaker 2: work at that McDonald's or not. So it's complete radio silence.

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Speaker 18: Now.

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Speaker 2: Now you're suspicious, aren't you. And by the way, when

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump does eat at McDonald's, he likes to have

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Speaker 2: two big macs, two Filaiso fish pillps of fish I

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Speaker 2: don't know the fish one, and a large chocolate milkshake.

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Speaker 5: So lot.

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Speaker 2: Nickolaules next.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing with the

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Speaker 1: Business Hour with head a duplicy Ellen and my Hr

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Speaker 1: on news Talks ATV.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up for the next hour in Nature Baby,

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Speaker 2: we're going to speak to them after six point thirty.

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Speaker 2: They're having another crack at making it big in the States.

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Speaker 2: Shane Soley on the markets, reacting to the possibility that

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump wins the US selection, and Gavin Gray's with

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Speaker 2: us out of the UK. It's seven past six and

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister Nichola Willis is with us as per usual

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Speaker 2: on a Monday. Hey, Nicola, Hey, speaking to Chris Bishop

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Speaker 2: about about an hour ago. I think I have realized

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Speaker 2: we are not really in the running at all for

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Speaker 2: hosting the America's Cup. Would that be fair?

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Speaker 15: Well, first things first, it's awesome that we won, and

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Speaker 15: it's very exciting not just as a sporting achievement but

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Speaker 15: for the designers, the builders, the sailors, the scientists, everyone involved.

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Speaker 15: So let's let's actually take a little moment to celebrate that.

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Speaker 15: Second thing. I'm not normally one to blow smoke, but

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Speaker 15: there is a various stute commentator who has said recently

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Speaker 15: that it is a business decision for Grant Delta as

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Speaker 15: to where he wishes the cup to take place, and

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Speaker 15: it is a business decision for New Zealand too. Yes,

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Speaker 15: And that is stute commentator being you. I think that,

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Speaker 15: thank you for listening. You've put it well, which is

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Speaker 15: that ultimately it is up to Team New Zealand to

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Speaker 15: decide where they wish to host it, and they will

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Speaker 15: make that judgment based on all number of things which

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Speaker 15: are outside our control. And then there is a question

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Speaker 15: if they are ask us about what contribution we might

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Speaker 15: be prepared to make, and we need to be very

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Speaker 15: hard headed about that because dollars are precious and dollars

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01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 15: can go to many purposes, including schools and hospitals.

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Speaker 2: So are we waiting for them to come to us

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Speaker 2: rather than us chasing it with them?

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Speaker 15: That's right, We'll wait for them to come to us

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Speaker 15: here as ultimately it's their decision.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, listen, This thing about howth New Zealand that

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Speaker 2: blows my mind is why they think they need to

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Speaker 2: have this conference in the first place of three hundred people.

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Speaker 2: Can you understand this?

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Speaker 18: Well?

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Speaker 15: Look, the first I learned of it was today. I

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01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 15: do accept that when you've got big organizations that are

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01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 15: spread across the country. There can be value in bringing

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Speaker 15: leaders together to talk about what can we do together

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01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 15: to drive productivity, to drive value for money, to get

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Speaker 15: better results for our patients. And I understand that was

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Speaker 15: the intent of this event. There's no intention to repeat it.

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Speaker 15: And I note that subsequent to that event, of course,

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Speaker 15: the government chose to send in the commissioners. The Bard

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Speaker 15: has been replaced by a commissioner who has an absolute

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Speaker 15: drive and goal to get resources to the front line

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Speaker 15: for patients.

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Speaker 1: I get that.

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Speaker 2: I get that about leaders But how big is cabinet?

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Speaker 2: Is it twenty people?

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Speaker 15: Twenty and it's in cabinet, that's right.

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Speaker 2: That is how big a leadership size is, right, That's

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01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,560
Speaker 2: how many people you get together to make decisions, not

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Speaker 2: three hundred. That's taking the mickey, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Look, I understand this was three hundred people. And

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Speaker 15: ultimately it's up to each organization to judge how it

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01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 15: will get good value. And I've been very explicit with

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Speaker 15: government entities that I expect them to be able to

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Speaker 15: demonstrate that their activities are going to deliver value to

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Speaker 15: the front line. And I also have made it clear

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Speaker 15: that I expect them not to continue with activities that

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Speaker 15: aren't delivering results for people, So that's the measure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you know the actual final cost of this conference,

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01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: because as far as I can see, we haven't actually

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Speaker 2: factored in flights and accommodation for these three hundred.

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Speaker 15: No, I don't have that number. I understand that. I

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01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 15: understand from the reporting on it that those who attending

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Speaker 15: the conference were encouraged to coincide that with other engagements

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Speaker 15: and meetings that they needed to have for business reasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, is it worth? I mean, has it got

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: to the point where the public service where you guys

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01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 2: actually need to put it in very simple terms to them,

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01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 2: no more conferences like this.

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01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 15: Well, we are making it very clear that we expect

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01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 15: them to be very rigorous about how they use public

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01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 15: money and the most effective lever we have for achieving that.

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01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 15: Heather is making it clear that there's not going to

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01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 15: be abundant supplies of money into the future. We're not

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01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 15: going to keep filling up the money jar like the

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01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 15: last government did it. Because when people can look forward

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01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 15: to noodle's more cash every time a budget rolls around,

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01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 15: then there's no need to tighten their belts. But when

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01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 15: they see that actually the cost of doing all of

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 15: these conferences and consultations and all of that stuff is

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01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 15: that we might not then have enough money for the

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01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 15: essential people in our organization. Well, any public agency is

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01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 15: going to make more sensible decisions, and that's the situation

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01:10:58,880 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 15: they are in with this government.

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 2: Do you feel vindicated by that inflation number last week

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 2: that showed that tax cuts were not really inflationary at all?

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01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 23: You know what I do?

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01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 15: I do because I will never forget the conger line

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01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 15: of people in the election campaign who wanted to tell

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01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 15: us that tax relief would be inflationary. I'll never forget

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01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 15: Chris Hopkins and Barbara Edmonds wanting to stop New Zealanders

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01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 15: keeping more of their hard earned money because they said

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01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 15: it was going to drive inflation. It was never going

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Speaker 15: to do that. It hasn't done that. We delivered tax

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01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 15: relief and low inflation and dropping interest rates. And I'm

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Speaker 15: really pleased for New Zealanders.

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Speaker 1: But that's the case.

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Speaker 2: I'm reading in the week I'm reading the weekend papers

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Speaker 2: and something. There's this long interview with you and something

1572
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: something fascinated me. They said, overall, Nikola Willis thinks that

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: the time for aggressive economic reform is right, and then

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01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 2: quotes you are saying, I am more impatient and more

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 2: reform minded. What are you thinking?

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01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 15: Well, what I'm thinking is that I have met with

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01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 15: so many New Zealanders who have said to me, New

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01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 15: Zealand can't go on like this, limping along with slow growth,

1579
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 15: talking about the same problems, whether that's declining achievement, low productivity,

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01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 15: long waiting lists. We have to be prepared to do

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Speaker 15: things differently and take bolder steps. And so our government here, Nicola,

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Speaker 15: are you still there? Yes, let's do some bold stuff.

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01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got you. Okay, So what are you sorry?

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01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: We just lost you for a techi there?

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Speaker 15: So I was having quite I was waxing quite lyrical there.

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Speaker 2: No, it was so brief. We only lost you for

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Speaker 2: a second. What we've got, the essence of it is,

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Speaker 2: what are you thinking?

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Speaker 24: Like?

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Speaker 2: How bold are you thinking? What are the areas you

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: think we need some significant reforming.

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Speaker 15: Well, we're being very clear that education reform is necessary. Yeah,

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01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 15: to deliver the basics brilliantly, and we are shaking up

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01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 15: the skills. We're clear that we need to get more

1595
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 15: overseas investment in this country to create better paying jobs,

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01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 15: and that means loosening the laws of the land to

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Speaker 15: allow that to happen and being very clear that we're

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Speaker 15: going to roll out the welcomes. It's also about being

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01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 15: far more minded towards competition. So you've seen me talk

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Speaker 15: about the banks, but it's also about the regulatory settings

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Speaker 15: across a number of other sectors. On infrastructure, we've had

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01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 15: enough with the consent in Quagma. We're cutting through the Rima,

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 15: we're doing that fast track consenting. There's been protests on

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Speaker 15: Queen Street, but I think New Zealanders want to see

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01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 15: development and growth and those projects will deliver it. We're

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Speaker 15: going to invite private capital and to help us build

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Speaker 15: some roads, help us build some of the infrastructure New

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Speaker 15: Zealand needs for the future. And then on the science system,

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01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 15: we've had enough of the debate about whether or not

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Speaker 15: we need gene editing. We're bringing in being editing regulator

1611
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 15: and we're getting on with it. So across the board,

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Speaker 15: we are making big changes because this moment in history demands.

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Speaker 9: It of us.

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Speaker 2: On the foreign money stuff, are you prepared to cut

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Speaker 2: the corporate tax rate?

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Speaker 15: Well, that would come with a significant cost. And the

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Speaker 15: thing I'm always conscious of is it wouldn't just attract

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Speaker 15: new investors, it would also involve giving potentially quite a

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Speaker 15: windful gain to the likes of the big banks, the

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Speaker 15: big tailcos the exhibit. So, to my mind, we need

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01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 15: to think about the tax system's role in incentivizing investment

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Speaker 15: and productivity, and there are always new things we can

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Speaker 15: be considering there. We certainly shouldn't be considering things that

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Speaker 15: tell people they shouldn't grow their capital and they shouldn't

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Speaker 15: grow their productivity, and so we need to remain open

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Speaker 15: to that. But we're also and I've been really clear

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Speaker 15: about this, we're fiscally constrained. I have a job to

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Speaker 15: do to get the books back in order, so anything

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Speaker 15: we do we have to be able to pay for.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you read about best Start in the papers today?

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Speaker 15: I haven't read about that.

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Speaker 2: These are the childcare people who declared themselves a charity

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Speaker 2: about nine years ago, and therefore oh and had a

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Speaker 2: sale to facilitate the transition into a charity. Now they

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Speaker 2: don't pay any tax. I think you should go and

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Speaker 2: read about that and then tell me when you are

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Speaker 2: going to start taxing the charities.

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Speaker 15: I know that if my IID people were here they

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Speaker 15: would tell me it would be most unwise to comment

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Speaker 15: on the text of fears of an individual organization. But

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Speaker 15: what we have put on the text policy work program

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Speaker 15: the Minister of Revenue and I is another look at

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Speaker 15: the charity sector to make sure that the rules there

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Speaker 15: are working fairly and that they're not being abused.

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Speaker 2: And when we get a decision from you guys on that, well.

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Speaker 15: The deadline that I've set at a budget next year

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Speaker 15: and I have not taken any proposals to kebnet as yet.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Hey, Nicola, thanks very much, really appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: and thank you for listening to the show. Nicola Willis

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister. I'll tell you about bestart. You're going to

1651
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: want to hear about the sixteen past six.

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Speaker 3: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupice Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to

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Speaker 1: my HR, the HR platform for SME on News talksb.

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Speaker 2: HEATHERN Nicholas saying she can't pay much for the America's

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01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: Cup to be hosts in New Zealand. It's not a

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Speaker 2: real offer to Team New Zealand. They needs funds. I

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 2: think the most telling thing was the fact that Nicola

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01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 2: indicated bought youd and indication. You made it pretty clear

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Speaker 2: Team New Zealand are going to be the ones to

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Speaker 2: contact us. It's not the other way around. And I

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01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: think that tells you everything, right, If they want to

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Speaker 2: come to New Zealand, then we can start talking, but

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Speaker 2: we're not going to chase them with our cash. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So this is what This is the Best Start situation.

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Speaker 2: So best out of the people who run all the

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Speaker 2: early childhood education outfits around the country, right and they

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Speaker 2: were started by the Right Family, and this seems to

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Speaker 2: be the thing that's made the Right family very, very rich.

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Speaker 2: They then converted Best Start into a charity nine years

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Speaker 2: ago when the Right Family Trust sold the business to

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Speaker 2: the Right Family Foundation, which is a charity, for three

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two million dollars, which is an amount

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Speaker 2: that would not be paid in one lump sump, but

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Speaker 2: we'll paid down over time. Last year, Best Start, as

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Speaker 2: in the charity, paid a whopping thirty seven million dollars

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Speaker 2: to the family Trust. That's up from the usual twenty

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Speaker 2: million dollars that they pay annually. The question, and that's

1679
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Speaker 2: because it's making a lot of money. Like it it

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Speaker 2: made about thirty million dollars or something like that in

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Speaker 2: the year thirty two or something. Questioners, should it be

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Speaker 2: a charity? And of course it shouldn't be a charity.

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Speaker 2: It's a business. It was a business beforehand. It still

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Speaker 2: is a business. It's just calling itself a charity now

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Speaker 2: and now doesn't have to pay tax anyway. Nikola Willis

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Speaker 2: has indicated now we've got a timeline for it. Indicated

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Speaker 2: they're going to look at whether these charities should continue

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Speaker 2: to be able to have the tax free status, which

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Speaker 2: is obviously the answer is no, that's a joke and

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Speaker 2: budget next year, so fingers crossed, maybe we'll be starting

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Speaker 2: to rake in a little bit of the tax revenue

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Speaker 2: that we obviously should be twenty past six now Shane

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Speaker 2: solely Harbor Asset Management is with us right now, has Shane?

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Speaker 18: I hear that?

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Speaker 2: Now on the US election, row got the polls starting

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Speaker 2: to look like it's going to be a Republican dominated

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Speaker 2: government and Trump's going to win. How are the capital

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Speaker 2: markets reacting to this?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, the polling is getting close, and I think, yeah,

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 23: we have gone from pricing in a Harris democratic government

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01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 23: to starting the price and a Trump republican government. But

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Speaker 23: in this is also thinking about this is going to

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01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 23: be divided government, one party not controlling the presidency, House

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Speaker 23: and Senate. So that means that to some degree they

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01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 23: can kind of knock each other out or significly modify

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Speaker 23: the policy. But yeah, the market's really focus on what

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Speaker 23: does the Trump government mean for tax, trade, tariff's, labor, immigration,

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Speaker 23: those si key things, And we know that historically that

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Speaker 23: are republican. When Shimaket likes it be, there's a lot

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Speaker 23: of tax the US dollar teams to go up, and

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Speaker 23: that's what we've seen in the last few weeks. But

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Speaker 23: we've also seen long term government bond years in the

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Speaker 23: US go up. They've been going down. It's been one

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Speaker 23: of the stories for the last probably six months. They're

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Speaker 23: actually going down. They've been going back up because people

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Speaker 23: worry about what does the tariff mean for inflation and

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Speaker 23: so look, you know, we think there's a lot to

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Speaker 23: sort of watch for at the margin. Even these tariffs

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Speaker 23: are a risk for China, right, and so some of

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Speaker 23: the good policy announcements that China have talked about big

1721
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 23: perps getting neutralized by the risk of tariff. So yeah,

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Speaker 23: a long way to go getting quite exciting though, and

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Speaker 23: so yeah, the markets jumped from one side of the

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Speaker 23: ship to the other.

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Speaker 2: Is getting quite exciting. Hey, back at home, we're expecting

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Speaker 2: to hear from both the governor and the Assistant Governor

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Speaker 2: of the Reserve Bank this week. Are we expecting much

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Speaker 2: in terms of the market.

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Speaker 23: Well, I've been Assistant governor out on Tuesday, IBMZ governor

1730
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Speaker 23: on Wednesday, and we the market are looking for further

1731
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 23: indications on official cash rate cuts and we'll go what's

1732
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 23: priced in the market's assuming there'll be a point eight

1733
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 23: five eight So just turned to point six percent cut

1734
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 23: to official rates in November. That's kind of like I

1735
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 23: normally we go twenty five basis points or point two

1736
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 23: five so more than a half a percent less than

1737
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 23: points seven five percent. So the market is saying, yeah,

1738
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 23: it needs to be more than half the point seven

1739
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 23: five Maybe not enough. Karen Silk, Assistant Governor, spoke last

1740
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 23: week at a really well attended City Group presentation on

1741
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 23: Australasian equities or in economists. She did a good job,

1742
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 23: but she didn't get a lot away. She talked about

1743
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 23: I might have done it almost come close to a

1744
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 23: little jig when CPI figures showed they got back to

1745
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 23: two point two. But I don't know if she did

1746
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 23: the jig or not.

1747
01:19:58,520 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 8: She talked about it.

1748
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 23: Look, you know, residential property real estate guys, they might

1749
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 23: be getting excited about lower mullage rates. But I think

1750
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 23: we all know, and I know you've pointed this out

1751
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 23: here there is it takes time for this lower rates

1752
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 23: to work their way through the system.

1753
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 4: Could take a year.

1754
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 23: So now we're looking at a reserve bank who might

1755
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 23: be tempted to debit gradual because inflation is not quite

1756
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 23: in the target. But today we had the ben zed

1757
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 23: are reporting new Zeum job ads felt half a percent

1758
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 23: of the last month. So the New Zealand economy, it's

1759
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 23: still slow and we still need to see rate cups

1760
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 23: coming through.

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01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1762
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Hey, we are well into annual shareholder meeting season.

1763
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 2: What are you expecting from the meetings that we're going

1764
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 2: to have this week?

1765
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 23: Yeah? Look, and your shield of meetings, they're in addition

1766
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 23: to providing a great platform for sharholders to take companies

1767
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 23: to account boards and management, they are quite an important

1768
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 23: opportunity to get a snapshot on where the companies are

1769
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 23: traveling in terms of profitability and also to get an

1770
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 23: idea where the economy is. This week we've got eleven

1771
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,839
Speaker 23: companies with the annual Shield of meetings. Wednesday we've got EBIs,

1772
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 23: Fletcher Building, Freightway's Property of Industry, Theesday we've got Chorus

1773
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 23: Scatter up in winter, and Friday we've got porta Teroo.

1774
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 23: So we've got quite a cross section of different sources

1775
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 23: of how is the economy going, how is your profitability traveling?

1776
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 23: So yeah, actually a lot of scrutiny more than normal

1777
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 23: because we are looking to see if we're at the

1778
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 23: bottom of you, whether there's a turning point. So a

1779
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 23: lot of focus on their annual Shield of meetings this week.

1780
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Hey, Shane, thanks for running us through.

1781
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week. That Shane solely as

1782
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Speaker 2: per usual on a Monday of Harbor Asset Management, six

1783
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 2: twenty four.

1784
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Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1785
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather duper C and my Hr

1786
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: the HR Solution for Busy smys on News Talks.

1787
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Speaker 2: It'd be a nature baby is going to be with

1788
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 2: us just after the news Nature Baby, Brilliant, brilliant, beautiful

1789
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 2: baby clothing I'm right in the market for that at

1790
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 2: the moment, obviously, and they're trying to have another crack

1791
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: at the US market, so they'll talk us through it

1792
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 2: when they're with us in about eight minutes time. Interesting,

1793
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 2: I was reading some a little bit about the unemployment

1794
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: numbers today, and basically the story was we're warning signs

1795
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: were back to GFC levels. Four hundred thousand people on

1796
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 2: some form of benefit. And there was this little fact

1797
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: in the story that I found absolutely fascinating. On the

1798
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 2: thirty first of March nineteen fifty two, the thirty first

1799
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 2: of March nineteen fifty two, how many people in the

1800
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: country were receiving the unemployment benefit two? Just two people.

1801
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: I think it was something like twenty eight people were

1802
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: looking for jobs. Two people were receiving the unemployment benefit. Now,

1803
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 2: if you adjusted that for population growth, our population's gone

1804
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 2: up by let's say two and a half to two

1805
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 2: point five two point six percent since then. If we

1806
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 2: adjusted it for growth, the number of people in the

1807
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 2: country who should be looking for work, who should be

1808
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 2: on the unemployment benefit right now five five as opposed

1809
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: to god on who knows how many. And amongst that

1810
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand people anyway. I mean, I'm obviously going

1811
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 2: to say this, right, our attitude to work has changed.

1812
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty two, you knew you had to work

1813
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 2: to live. Nowadays you don't have to work to live.

1814
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: That's the problem, right there, isn't it. Headline's next.

1815
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 3: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1816
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: It's headed duplesic Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to

1817
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: my HR, the HR solution for busy sms on news talks.

1818
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Speaker 5: B and.

1819
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 3: Just started.

1820
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 4: Kiss you Heather.

1821
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty two, half the population didn't work. The women. No,

1822
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: that's fair. Okay, let's adjust it for women as well.

1823
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 2: Ten it should be ten people on the dole then

1824
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 2: according to those numbers, if adjusted for inflation and the

1825
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 2: women and look at fairpoint, fairpoint as well. That the

1826
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 2: back in the nineteen fifties, et cetera. Obviously we had

1827
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 2: all these government jobs. It would just make make work schemes, right,

1828
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: so you had people working in the railways during bugger

1829
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 2: rull and it. But somehow I just yeah, I just wonder,

1830
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: there's a part of me and I just want you

1831
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 2: to take this as like musing out loud. I'm not

1832
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: nailing my colors. I'm not saying this is what I think.

1833
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 2: I just wonder though, if that was maybe marginally better

1834
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 2: to have like little work schemes where people would at

1835
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: least turn up, then having the doll where people just

1836
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: sit around taking drugs.

1837
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 15: Do you know what I mean?

1838
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 2: Like, if you're going to pay people to do nothing,

1839
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 2: are you better off making them come into the office

1840
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: and eat their lunch then just sit at home doing

1841
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 2: nothing and setting a bad example for the kids. Anyway, Anyway, listen,

1842
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: I just want to tell you really quickly. Success stories

1843
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 2: is what I'm into in a big way today. Big

1844
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 2: payday for the women in the White ferns, each of them.

1845
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: And I'm getting various numbers quoted at me in the media,

1846
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 2: but basically they get money from the tournament for winning. Right,

1847
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: it's not New Zealand cricket money. It seems to be

1848
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: like international cricket money. They are going to split the

1849
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 2: money between themselves equally and the squad. They will get

1850
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 2: somewhere between two hundred and five and two hundred and

1851
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 2: fifty seven thousand dollars each. Hell good is that that

1852
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 2: is more money than the highest paid White Fern would

1853
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: get for playing international cricket for US for a year,

1854
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 2: they get more, like significantly more, they get significantly more

1855
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: just for winning the tournament. Well done them twenty two

1856
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 2: away from seven. Ever, do see now nature Baby is

1857
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 2: going to have another crack at the US market. If

1858
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 2: you've had a baby in you know, the last couple

1859
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,759
Speaker 2: of decades, you'll know these guys really lovely, organic, fancy

1860
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 2: expensive baby. We're founded in an Auckland flat in ninety

1861
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 2: ninety nine, are now worth millions of dollars. They did

1862
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 2: actually have a full range the US market. They had

1863
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: an online retailer that took them in about a decade ago,

1864
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 2: but then that retailer ran into trouble and so the

1865
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: thing ended. Jacob Fall is the co founder of nature

1866
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 2: Baby with his wife Giorl Journey's with me now, hey Jacob.

1867
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 8: Hey, yeah, thanks for having our shows.

1868
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 2: I think thanks for joining us. How's business going, by

1869
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 2: the way, because it's a tough time out there, and

1870
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 2: I imagine that people when they trim their spending, their

1871
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: trim they're spending on nice stuff like yours.

1872
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's tough. Nature Baby is not immune from the

1873
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 8: financial challenges that we've seen lights of the market, but

1874
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 8: we are seeing lots of green shoots, So I think

1875
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 8: makes Baby is a market suffers. I think when interest

1876
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 8: rates go up, so the household spending comes down. But

1877
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 8: I think we're mates baby. People are buying into that

1878
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 8: fact that you know, maybe it lasts a bit longer,

1879
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 8: or maybe they can pass it down, or there's a

1880
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 8: bit more value there. So we're still seeing strong sales

1881
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 8: and we're up on last year, so it's good.

1882
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 2: Oh that's brilliant. So you're going to go into the

1883
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 2: US with this company many moons? Who are these guys?

1884
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 8: These are a really interesting company. They approached us about

1885
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 8: four years ago, straight out of Columbia Business School, and

1886
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 8: they were mature students that were involved in other industries

1887
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 8: and they had this idea to set up at first

1888
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 8: higher business, so they would buy organic and natural baby

1889
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 8: products and they would hire it out, and then quite

1890
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 8: quickly they pivot to pivoted to reselling, and now they've

1891
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 8: set up a hub and they take baby products back

1892
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 8: and distribute them across the US.

1893
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 2: Yes, So is this what you're talking about? Is they're

1894
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 2: like recycling of clothing where they'll sell the product first

1895
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 2: of all in an affluent suburb and then when the

1896
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 2: family's finished having the babies, they bring it back. These

1897
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 2: guys will restore the product and then they will rent

1898
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,879
Speaker 2: it out or sell it at maybe a less affluent

1899
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: suburb exactly exactly.

1900
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 8: So I think you hit the nail on the head.

1901
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 8: In terms of organic it's often seen as luxury, but

1902
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 8: they're turning that around and seeing it it's quality and

1903
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,799
Speaker 8: that it can last up to eight times. And they

1904
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 8: tested other labels and so other labels were lasting about

1905
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 8: two weirs before they had to recycle them, whereas nature

1906
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 8: Baby was lasting up to eight babies. So if you

1907
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 8: took a garment that costs, say ten dollars, and you

1908
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 8: could wear it once or twice, that's five dollars per use.

1909
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 8: Whereas you take nature Baby, which is a lot higher,

1910
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 8: let's say thirty five dollars, you can wear it eight times,

1911
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 8: so per use that was only four dollars. So it's

1912
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 8: long long term, it's actually cheap at.

1913
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. And are you doing a similar thing

1914
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 2: in New Zealand? Now did I read that where you're

1915
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 2: also going to sort of like recycle clothing.

1916
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 8: Yeares, So we were just about to launch it on

1917
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 8: Thursday this week, where we're running a take back scheme

1918
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 8: where we will take pre Love Nature Baby product back

1919
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 8: and then we'll give the customer recruitit to spend on you,

1920
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 8: and then we'll take that product and put it into

1921
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 8: a resale market.

1922
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 2: How much are you going to give me for my

1923
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: old products? Jacob has got a lot.

1924
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 8: Of I've heard how much you've got here that, So

1925
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 8: we're trying to we're running it as a business model,

1926
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 8: so we're giving it's twenty percent. So we researched it.

1927
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 8: We looked at Noody Jeens, and we looked at Patagonia,

1928
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 8: and so we're going to give twenty percent back that

1929
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 8: you can use on you, and then we're looking at

1930
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 8: then reselling that product. And so I think at the

1931
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 8: end we net out because the cost of running a

1932
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 8: pre Love recycled program actually has quite a high cost

1933
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 8: to it. But we're determined to look at how we

1934
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 8: can make that work so the customers are getting that

1935
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 8: just can't upfront, and then we're able to then take

1936
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 8: that into a resale market and make a business.

1937
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 3: Of that as well.

1938
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 2: A lot you mean a lot of money when I'm

1939
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 2: finished selling all my stuff back to you.

1940
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 8: A lot of product, yeah, to get it back.

1941
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you made my month. The other day,

1942
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 2: I was walking down the down on the waterfront and

1943
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 2: I came across the Nature Baby sail like I hadn't

1944
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 2: seen the adverts or anything like that. Mate. I just honestly,

1945
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: I am still on the dopamine high from all the

1946
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: stuff I got for ten dollars from you guys.

1947
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Speaker 8: Fantastic.

1948
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love, we love it.

1949
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 8: You love what we love those those events where we

1950
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 8: can we're we're getting front of customers, and I mean

1951
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 8: to be honest, it is a higher price, and we're

1952
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 8: trying to look at programs like that, which is essentially

1953
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 8: outlet stock, so that's over stocks for whatever reason, and

1954
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 8: pre loved and so we can access give access to

1955
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 8: all customers. So rather than just having this organic as luxury,

1956
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 8: it's organic as quality that we can sell sell all

1957
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Speaker 8: the way through.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

1959
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Speaker 2: Good stuff, man, Best of luck with the foray into

1960
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 2: the US market. I really hope it goes well for you.

1961
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Speaker 2: Jacob Jacob for Nature Baby co founder. Honestly, I could

1962
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 2: not rave about nature Baby enough. Look, it is pricey.

1963
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. You know you are

1964
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 2: paying so much more than you are at Farmers or

1965
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 2: you know, any of those kind of cheaper places I

1966
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 2: came out and stuff like that. So you're gonna it's

1967
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 2: a bit of mixing and matching, right. It's like what

1968
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 2: you do with your own wardrobe. You buy yourself a

1969
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: nice coat and then you just wear some cheap t

1970
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 2: shirts with it, you know, like whatever. You know, you

1971
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 2: kind of mix a matches. Do the same thing for

1972
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 2: the baby. These guys products. Honestly, you know the beige

1973
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 2: baby phenomenon, which is like you want to dress your

1974
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 2: baby like a Scandinavian baby, you know, like you know,

1975
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Speaker 2: like oligannic and sort of bage colors and wooden toys,

1976
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,440
Speaker 2: and you know, the baby just looks miserable but so beautiful,

1977
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 2: you know, like to thought beautiful because that's Kandinavian baby.

1978
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 2: It's like that. It's like that vibe. I sometimes I

1979
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 2: just go into the store in Graylen, which is their

1980
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,879
Speaker 2: original store. I just go in there for a little dopamine.

1981
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 2: Hait just walk around going, oh, look at the stuff

1982
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 2: that's beautiful. You just come out feeling stoked. So anyway,

1983
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Speaker 2: point of the story is two things. Number One, what

1984
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 2: I do is I buy I buy it on sale,

1985
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 2: so he's he he The leading love of my life

1986
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 2: is two and a half. So I'm buying four year

1987
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 2: old gear now and I just stick it on the

1988
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 2: bottom drawer and then I just whip it out when

1989
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 2: it's like because it's on sale, right, so I just

1990
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 2: buy it for like the future, because it's never gonna

1991
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 2: look bad. It's nature Baby number two. If you have

1992
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 2: to buy somebody a present for their looming baby, go

1993
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 2: to nature Baby because they will be like, it doesn't

1994
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 2: matter what you buy, they will be blessed. It is

1995
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 2: just so beautiful. You're welcome. What about all that free

1996
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 2: advertising for nature Baby. I just gave them sixteen away

1997
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Speaker 2: from seven.

1998
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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1999
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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duper, c Allen and

2000
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Speaker 1: my Hr The HR solution for busy SMEs New Stalks ab.

2001
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Speaker 2: Hither I've got a nine month old. We find Tamus

2002
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Speaker 2: great for baby clothes because they're good quality and cheap.

2003
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 2: Are they are? They though good quality?

2004
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Speaker 6: They being?

2005
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Speaker 2: Are they though good quality? But they are cheap. The

2006
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 2: kiddies grow so fast, so the cheaper the better. And

2007
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 2: that's that's perfect reasonable economic rational common since you's just

2008
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Speaker 2: flying there as well. Thirteen away from seven now, Gavin Gray,

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Speaker 2: are UK correspondent, should be with us now, Gaven you there?

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Speaker 14: Hi?

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Speaker 3: The hell?

2012
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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Hey, I'm good to talk to you.

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Speaker 15: Now.

2014
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Speaker 2: What did you guys make of Lydia Thorpe over in Australia,

2015
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Speaker 2: Young yelling at King Charles.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I think Look, I think they've kind of expected

2017
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Speaker 24: one or two things in this trip. I don't think

2018
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Speaker 24: it'll be the last either. I think it was the

2019
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Speaker 24: fact that timing seemed to catch people out, because potentially

2020
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Speaker 24: that might have come as he was giving a speech

2021
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Speaker 24: or something, the idea it was just towards the end

2022
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Speaker 24: when he was rejoining Camilla back on the stage, sitting

2023
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,680
Speaker 24: at the stage when she started shouting, I think caught

2024
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 24: a few people by surprise. But yeah, I think this

2025
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Speaker 24: is going to be a tough visit for them. I

2026
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Speaker 24: think the King was desperate to go to Australia because

2027
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 24: he wanted to sort of seal his succession to the throne.

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Speaker 24: He hadn't been since he had been coronated, so consequently,

2029
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Speaker 24: I think this has always to be one of these

2030
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Speaker 24: tricky things. I don't think the media, although they're running

2031
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 24: it big here. I don't think the media is surprised

2032
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Speaker 24: by it. They're certainly not suggesting that the King and

2033
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Speaker 24: his party were surprised by it. And I just think

2034
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 24: it goes to underlying just the state of affairs in

2035
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Speaker 24: Australia at the moment, seeming to be quite a rise

2036
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Speaker 24: of republicanism.

2037
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Speaker 2: Listen, why do we think that Lucy Liby may have

2038
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Speaker 2: actually killed more babies?

2039
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Speaker 24: Evidence has now emerged that another baby might also have

2040
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Speaker 24: been poisoned within hours of her taking over the boy's care.

2041
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Speaker 24: So Lucy let Be is Britain's in modern history, Britain's

2042
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Speaker 24: biggest baby killer. She was found guilty of murdering seven

2043
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Speaker 24: babies in attempting to murder seven others in a neonatal

2044
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Speaker 24: unit in the northwest of England in just a one

2045
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Speaker 24: year period between June twenty fifteen and June twenty sixteen. Now,

2046
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 24: medical records are revealing that in another instance, the infant's

2047
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 24: blood sugar level absolutely plummeted, with lab results later indicating

2048
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 24: that he had suspiciously high levels of insulin. And that

2049
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 24: was all while Lucy let Be, who was taking over

2050
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Speaker 24: the boy's care. The BBC is also reporting that potentially

2051
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 24: life threatening incidents involving infants almost occurred on almost a

2052
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Speaker 24: third of her shifts while she was training at Liverpool's

2053
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Speaker 24: Women's Hospital in a.

2054
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Speaker 2: Three year period.

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Speaker 24: There has been huge amount of criticism of the prosecution

2056
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Speaker 24: of the earlier case seven murders and seven attempted murders,

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Speaker 24: with some saying that this is just the way evidence

2058
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 24: was portrayed. With the statistics, there was no hard and

2059
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 24: fast evidence and indeed a lot was really circumstantial evidence

2060
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 24: that she always seemed to be on duty when people

2061
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 24: young babies died in unexpectedly. So maybe this additional evidence

2062
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,839
Speaker 24: will help, but calm the nerves of the judicial system.

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Speaker 2: What about jk Rowling, a woman who turns down two peerages, yes.

2064
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Speaker 24: And said that if she was offered a third she

2065
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 24: would do exactly the same. Again, this has all come

2066
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 24: about because Kemmy Badanock, she is one of the two

2067
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 24: hopefuls left potentially to take over as leader of the

2068
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 24: Conservative Party now that Rishie Sunak has stepped down. Because

2069
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 24: Kemmy Badanock said that she would give jk Rowling a

2070
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 24: peerage for her stance on gender. Now this is something

2071
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 24: of course, jk Rowling has been prolific in her particular

2072
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 24: opinion about gender and trans people, and she has said

2073
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 24: that some have accused her of being transphobic, and now

2074
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:43,560
Speaker 24: some are accusing Kemmy Badanock of being transphobic by deliberately

2075
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 24: suggesting she would give the author JK Rowling a peerage,

2076
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 24: so jk Rowling saying on X that she'd been offered

2077
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 24: peerages quote once under Labor, once under the Tories, adding

2078
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,879
Speaker 24: she still wouldn't take it if honored for the third.

2079
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 2: Kevin, thanks very much, Matt. We'll talk in two days time.

2080
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 16: Again.

2081
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 2: That's Gavin Grauer UK corresponding. By the way, the authorities

2082
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 2: over in Australia, sorry, and Argentina have said that Liam Payne,

2083
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 2: as in the former One Direction star who died last week,

2084
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 2: had consumed quite a bit of drugs before he died,

2085
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 2: which I think was pretty clear from the photographs of

2086
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 2: his hotel room with the you know, the candle and

2087
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 2: the bitterton foil and the straws and stuff like that

2088
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 2: lying around, and white powder and whatnot. Apparently what he

2089
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 2: had taken was something called crystal, which is you would

2090
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 2: given the name, you would think it was probably something

2091
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: to do very similar to crystal maybe like methamphetamine or

2092
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 2: something like that, and that would certainly kind of be

2093
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 2: how you consume it with candles and bitston oil and

2094
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:45,600
Speaker 2: pipes and stuff. Anyway, whatever apparently causes reasonable hallucinations and

2095
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 2: psychosis away from seven.

2096
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, MicroB for just playing economics, it's all

2097
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my

2098
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: HR the HR platform for sme usalip.

2099
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 2: Hey five it's coming up five away from seven. The

2100
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 2: anti money laundering laws just really quickly want to get

2101
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 2: you across these rules. I mean, jeez, if you've had

2102
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 2: to buy a seller house in the last few years,

2103
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 2: you'll know the AML laws just really suck, don't they.

2104
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 2: They're so onerous, so inflexible, so much paperwork. Now I

2105
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 2: knew that they were a problem, and I knew that

2106
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 2: they were a problem because I've got family who work

2107
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 2: in the real estate industry, so they have been like

2108
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 2: snowed under by all this paperwork and stuff, but I

2109
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,879
Speaker 2: didn't realize just how bad. So apparently, just after the pandemic.

2110
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 2: It's got nothing to do with real estate, by the way,

2111
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 2: it's other parts of the economy that have been affected

2112
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 2: by it. Apparently, just after the pandemic, a bunch of

2113
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 2: remittance companies got debanked, as in could not open bank accounts.

2114
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 2: And remittance companies are the guys who transferred take money

2115
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 2: from the seasonal workers and then transfer it to the

2116
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 2: back home to the Pacific Islands. They couldn't get bank

2117
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 2: accounts anymore because the banks thought they were an AMIL risk,

2118
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 2: anti money laundering risk. Because what happens, of course, is

2119
01:37:58,360 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 2: the seasonal workers come to work here for a bit

2120
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: and then they get paid and then they give this

2121
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 2: dump of cash to the remittance company. So the remittance

2122
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 2: companies were getting huge amounts of money, but like infrequently,

2123
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 2: and that looked really dodgy. So the bank's like, I can't, no,

2124
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 2: I can't give you a bank account anybod looks dodgy.

2125
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 2: So what do you do when you don't have a

2126
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 2: bank account. These guys were flying to the remittance companies,

2127
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 2: flying down from Auckland to Hawks Bay to pick up

2128
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 2: the money. The seasonal worker is pulling it out of

2129
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 2: the bank accounts that they had, putting all of this

2130
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 2: money into duffel bags, flying back to Auckland with duffel

2131
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 2: bags full of cash and then sending it off to

2132
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 2: the Pacific Islands. How dodgy's that? I mean, talk about

2133
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 2: dodgy for everybody because duffel bag goes missing, or like

2134
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:40,759
Speaker 2: talk about somebody finding out that you've got a duffel

2135
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 2: bag full of cash? How much risk you're at? Like

2136
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 2: the whole thing is just a bad idea. Surely you'd

2137
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 2: be better off banking these people anyway. Thankfully, the Associate

2138
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 2: Minister of Justice, Nicole mcckey is looking into it. She

2139
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 2: said last week. She wants to see this work a

2140
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 2: lot more effectively. And I think there's an example of

2141
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 2: why it should, thank God, because it's just overkill, is

2142
01:38:59,360 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 2: what it sounds like.

2143
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 16: AND's what have you got crazy? Trained by Ozzie Osborne

2144
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 16: to play us out? Tonight? Ozzie Osborne over the weekend

2145
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 16: was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

2146
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 16: And you say, hang on a minute, and it's how

2147
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 16: is Ozzy Osbourne not in the rock and Roll Hall

2148
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 16: of Fame? Well, yes, this is the second time, so

2149
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 16: Black Sabbath were put in the Rock and Roll Hall

2150
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 16: of Fame back in two thousand and six. But I

2151
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 16: guess the Hall of Fame people were like, okay, but

2152
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 16: just so everyone definitely knows Ozzie Osborn's and then will

2153
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 16: put him in his own accord as well. So they've

2154
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Speaker 16: done that over the weekend. So well, And Ozzie, you're

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Speaker 16: in the hall twice.

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Speaker 2: How many other people are in the hall twice?

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Speaker 16: That's a really good question I should have looked at.

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Speaker 2: But not a lot. Ah, you have to be big

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Speaker 2: in your band, any big individuals.

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Speaker 16: Well yeah, or but what if you have like three

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Speaker 16: different bands that you play, and do you get inducted

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Speaker 16: for every single one? I bet there's like some drummer

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Speaker 16: or something who's played in four who you could technically

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Speaker 16: put in four times. Maybe I'll look into it and

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Speaker 16: come back.

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Speaker 2: To you thank you, because there wouldn't be a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. There'd be like Dave Grohl Nirvana, and then

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Speaker 2: food Fighters.

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Speaker 16: And he's got this other thing them Crooked Vultures as well.

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Speaker 2: That's no, they're not big enough. That don't be silly, okay,

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Speaker 2: and then Harry Styles one Direction and Harry Styles.

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Speaker 16: Yep, there you go. That's Gwen Stefani on accord it

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Speaker 16: and with no doubt mane, yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Can stretch out to that. Yeah, cool, okay, let us know,

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Speaker 2: thank you answer, that's your research. See you tomorrow and

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