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Speaker 2: Helly you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show podcast number two sixty seven for the

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Speaker 2: eighteenth of December.

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Speaker 3: Big Show, Huge show.

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Speaker 2: We didn't get to fake reviews on sites no because

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Speaker 2: the skimming chat blew up into a two hour epic,

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Speaker 2: but I thoroughly enjoyed the chat with Ryan Fox as

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Speaker 2: well in the Christmas catch ups with.

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Speaker 3: Kick keyweek that's it fantastic. Yeah, what a show. So download,

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Speaker 2: Taste of Kiwi.

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Speaker 3: All right then, love you big stories.

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Speaker 1: The big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talks EDB Today to you. Welcome into Thursday show. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for giving us a listen. Hope you're

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Speaker 3: having a great day. Get a Matt, get a Tyler Now.

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Speaker 2: While other broadcasts across this country are you know on

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Speaker 2: the ghost slow counting the hours at the end of

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Speaker 2: the year, not asked Tyler, We're going hard. I pictured

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Speaker 2: this as the sprint to the finish line at the

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Speaker 2: end of a marathon, you've saved up a little bit

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Speaker 2: of energy and you just fang it through, running across

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Speaker 2: the line like Tom Cruise with pointed hands in the air,

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Speaker 2: giving it one hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, if anything, we're picking up the pace exactly.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know my dog Colin, Yes, did you know

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Speaker 2: that he You know, he's a little dog. He's a snack,

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Speaker 2: which is a mini Snail's a jack Russell cross.

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Speaker 3: He's a good looking boy, he is.

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Speaker 2: But did you know he's a killer and that I

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Speaker 2: could make money with him in the dog fighting circuit?

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Speaker 3: Do you know? I suspected as much, Matt, But I'm

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Speaker 3: keen to hear what's going on with Colin.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was at this Christmas function and there was

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Speaker 2: this other dog there, a slip little dog called Fergus,

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Speaker 2: beautiful little dog, and Colin was there. In the secret center,

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Speaker 2: someone won a little squeaky dog toy Santa Claus right yep,

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Speaker 2: And so my son offered it to Colin, and Colin

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Speaker 2: my son gave the secret center squeaky dog toy to

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Speaker 2: Fergus fair and Colin never seen anything like it before,

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Speaker 2: jumped up and jumped on the back of Fergus and

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Speaker 2: grabbed the back of his neck and went freaking crazy

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Speaker 2: and wrestled the center off and then then just put

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Speaker 3: He's not mucking around. See the reason I said, I

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Speaker 3: suspect this is when we looked after Colin, and we

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Speaker 3: loved looking after him for a week sleepover. But you remember, mate,

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Speaker 3: when Colin came in and he was very happy and

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Speaker 3: had a nice cuddle with him. Then he saw Pepper,

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Speaker 3: my dog, and Pepper's a big dog, and he looked

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Speaker 3: at Pepper, looked at her bowl and just went straight

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Speaker 3: over and devoured oils, devoured all of their food, and

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Speaker 3: then looked around and say, what are you going to

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Speaker 2: He's a nine point two kg alpha.

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Speaker 3: People was terrified. People were just like, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: I tell you what it was. I've got to say,

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit embarrassing. It's always embarrassing if you

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Speaker 2: know a member of your family physically assaults the member

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Speaker 2: of another family at a get together. And Fergie is

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Speaker 2: a lovely, lovely, little wisty. But Fergie was handed as

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Speaker 3: Colin's on the undercard right to today's show. He is

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Speaker 3: a good boy after three good boy, yeah, very good

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Speaker 2: Actually was a very bad boy briefly, but then he's

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Speaker 3: Now he's a good boy, Colin. All right, after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: We want to even chat about fake reviews. This was

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Speaker 3: after staff at the infomercial retailer behind brands such as

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Speaker 3: Thin Lizzy and transform a Ladder. You'd know them well,

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Speaker 3: it has been found to have posted fake online reviews

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Speaker 3: This is a little bit outrageous, fake five star reviews

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Speaker 3: populating websites on a particular product that you're eying up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very suspicious telltale sign you need to see because

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Speaker 2: They've got chronic dissatisfaction syndrome. So even the best best product,

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Speaker 2: So if you're not seeing a spectrum of star ratings,

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Speaker 2: There's some people that won't hand out a five to

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Speaker 3: Because that's perfection.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, some people look at it like that. They go,

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Speaker 3: Massive rig flag. But we're going to have a chat

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Speaker 3: to you about that after three o'clock. Do you trust

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Speaker 3: the online reviews and do you care after.

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Speaker 2: Two o'clause I will not be tasering Colin.

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Speaker 3: I will not be He could take it, though, Colin,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, he'd take it very well.

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Speaker 2: He take the taser off me and tas me.

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Speaker 3: That true right after two o'clock and we want to

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Speaker 3: have a chat about boredom. It's a great story published

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Speaker 3: today and it looks on why we've become so uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: with boredom, especially for kids, and argues that constantly fill

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Speaker 3: Experts say boredom gives the brain space to rest, reflect

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Speaker 3: if they can over summer to try and ditch the

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Speaker 2: Let it can be bored Yeah, I think boredom is

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Speaker 2: most genius ideas come from. It's wheen your mind has

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Speaker 2: really good for children, are you willing to, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Backsit it's a tough decision for parents are you

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Speaker 2: willing and wide appearents think it's their job to entertain

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Speaker 2: entertaining things to do, like halving rocks at trees and

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Speaker 3: That's a fun time. It's a really fun time. That's

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Speaker 3: going to be a great chat after two o'clock, because

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Speaker 3: right now, let's have a chat about the discount system

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Speaker 3: within our courts. After former Deputy Please Commissioner Chief A.

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Speaker 3: Mc skimming was sentenced to nine months home detention yesterday,

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Speaker 3: his lawyer did say his client had a pornography addiction

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Speaker 3: that simply overwhelmed him. But the fifty two year old

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Speaker 3: all material. So looking at those sentence, seeing those discounts

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they set they set a line at that

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Speaker 2: at the top, that's what judges do, and then they

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Speaker 2: they take these discounts off. But the discounts off meant

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Speaker 2: that it went low enough that he was given home detention.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: And the reasons for giving home detention can be slightly

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But what do you think about it?

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Speaker 2: What do you think about this? What do you think

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Speaker 2: of the punishment in general? Is it fair? Nine months

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Speaker 2: home detention? Also? What do you think about these discounts

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Speaker 2: Wait, I personally questioned question the logic of them, and

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Speaker 2: I'll say why as we go through the show, But

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Speaker 2: at first I'd rather hear other people have to say it.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into this. I eight, one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is that numbers? Matt said? Ninety two ninety

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Speaker 3: two is the text number? So how do you feel

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Speaker 3: system working? Let's get into it. It is fourteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons excuse talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoons you. So we're talking about

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Speaker 3: the discount system within our courts after the sentence of

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty. So just quickly those discounts again

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Speaker 3: stock standard. It was fifteen percent for rehabilitation efforts, in

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Speaker 3: ten percent for remorse and good care.

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Speaker 6: I think I think in some respects it can have

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Speaker 6: an advantage for the people, But where's the discount for

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Speaker 2: So are you speaking generally generally on the discount team, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: generally on the discounting.

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Speaker 6: I think, Okay, if someone pleads guilty, you know, okay,

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Speaker 6: they by pleading guilty, you're admitting that, yes, you did

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Speaker 6: do whatever you did, and okay, get a discount for that.

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Speaker 6: But by the time these people actually get to court,

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Speaker 6: there could be you know, a year, it could be longer.

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Speaker 6: It's and there's nothing for the victim. It's all about

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Speaker 6: the person who committed the crime, and the victim's almost forgotten, yes,

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Speaker 6: and doesn't get a discount. The victim doesn't get any recreate,

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Speaker 7: And it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Tough, yeah, because I mean it all comes down to

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Speaker 2: public trust in this in this case. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean it does seem by the time we get descendancing,

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Speaker 2: you know that the judge, arguably, when they're setting the

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Speaker 2: starting point, you know that that's what this The judge

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Speaker 2: is supposed to set a starting point that's based on

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Speaker 2: and so before the discount start. So you would hope

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Speaker 2: the damage that has been committed to the you know,

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Speaker 2: the complaint of the victim. Yeah. But that's an interesting

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Speaker 2: that line up fairly with what's happened to the victim?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I don't my not just on this case,

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Speaker 2: Right. It's interesting with the rehabilitation before the sentence sing

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Speaker 2: Then they will go immediately start doing some kind of rehabilitation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and panass where the victims can come in, Vanessa,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Vanessa, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

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Speaker 9: Government has finally killed its road cone hotline, which despite

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Speaker 2: Why'd you kill it?

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Speaker 3: Talks d B twenty seven past one, and we are

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Speaker 3: back of je Jeva Mcskimming receiving nine months home detention,

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Speaker 3: he did receive fifty percent discounts from the starting point

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Speaker 2: Gar says skimming sentence is going to be carried out

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Speaker 2: in his head. He's a prisoner inside his own mind.

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Speaker 2: He will do nine months at home, then he has

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Speaker 2: to walk amongst us, people will know him. That's when

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Speaker 2: is irrelevant my view. It's his future life that will

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Speaker 3: I mean a lot of truth in that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He will be notorious for the rest of his life yep. Unemployable, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and looked down upon by all, a potential pariah amongst us.

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Speaker 8: Yep.

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Speaker 3: The ramifications will live long past that nine month Ryan

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Speaker 3: see has Matt and Tilam skimming sentence fits with the system.

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Speaker 2: Some years ago a guy pulled a knife on me

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Speaker 2: in my taxi. He got four months home detention. Great system.

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Speaker 2: A merry Christmas, Brian, thank you for your text. Liz,

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Speaker 8: Hi, how are you. I'm just I've got this push

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Speaker 8: so peed up about it all the guy and these

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Speaker 8: things aren't being talked about. He is was the top

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Speaker 8: He was in line with like the Prime Minister in

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Speaker 8: And I want to read this to you. He was

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Speaker 8: digital publications mainly child digital exhortations and bestiality. You can't look,

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Speaker 8: I was sixually abused as a child by my father

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Speaker 8: in his nineties. He was still inappropriate and out of line.

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Speaker 8: They don't rehabilitate and nine months the starting point should

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Speaker 8: have been three years. In fact, why wasn't it longer?

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Speaker 8: Why aren't they bringing in all of these things? You know,

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Speaker 8: your head of the pleat should the top up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 8: Can't trust him.

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Speaker 3: We can hear your anger and a lot of people

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Speaker 3: sorry what what happened to you. But I will say, though,

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Speaker 3: I think that may be a problem with the legislation

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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people would agree with

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Speaker 2: Been one of Well, the judge has a bit of discretion,

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Speaker 2: and and factors such as you'll bring up Liz, like

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Speaker 2: the breach of trust and such, so you know there

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, it was a cop on a load you know,

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Speaker 8: just started. That's not going to make public news. But

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Speaker 8: he owed us, he owed every New Zealander to be

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Speaker 8: go away from that. So how many times did he

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Speaker 8: he had it, he already had it hidden. But another

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Speaker 3: What would Yeah, what would justice? Yeah, what would justice

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Speaker 8: Lis Oh ten fifteen years at the beginning?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you call this appreciate it. So

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Speaker 2: the judge, Judge Black, noted that the majority of images

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very true.

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Speaker 2: So you if you're looking at this stuff, then you're

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Speaker 3: You certainly are. Yeah, Liz, I really appreciate you giving

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number

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Speaker 3: system within our courts. Headlines with rayling coming up, it's

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Speaker 11: There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

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Speaker 11: than first announced at one percent, but rose are pleasing

439
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Speaker 11: one point one percent in the three months to September.

440
00:23:27,333 --> 00:23:30,973
Speaker 11: More than one hundred and forty area school principles have

441
00:23:31,133 --> 00:23:35,613
Speaker 11: accepted a collective agreement, lifting salaries four point seven percent

442
00:23:35,693 --> 00:23:39,853
Speaker 11: over the next year. It introduces allowances for NCEEA change

443
00:23:39,893 --> 00:23:44,052
Speaker 11: implementation and for mentors. A forty year old man's been

444
00:23:44,133 --> 00:23:47,693
Speaker 11: charged with burglary and possessing cannabis after a bungled West

445
00:23:47,733 --> 00:23:51,173
Speaker 11: Auckland burglary when a getaway car got stuck in the mud.

446
00:23:51,653 --> 00:23:54,573
Speaker 11: Is accused of then unsuccessfully trying to steal a van

447
00:23:54,653 --> 00:23:57,853
Speaker 11: and a quad bike and was arrested soaked to the skin.

448
00:23:58,773 --> 00:24:03,373
Speaker 11: Wellington City Councils giving motorcyclists a Christmas gift removing parking

449
00:24:03,453 --> 00:24:06,773
Speaker 11: charges imposed this year across the city. It had cost

450
00:24:07,013 --> 00:24:10,013
Speaker 11: a dollar an hour, happed at six dollars a day.

451
00:24:11,013 --> 00:24:14,253
Speaker 11: Clever way to deal with a slow market. Apartment developer

452
00:24:14,373 --> 00:24:17,773
Speaker 11: offers two year mortgage suspension see more at ends a

453
00:24:17,893 --> 00:24:20,693
Speaker 11: herald premium. Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

454
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking

455
00:24:22,733 --> 00:24:24,933
Speaker 3: about the discount system within our courts. It's on the

456
00:24:25,853 --> 00:24:29,333
Speaker 3: back of Jebamick skimming been sentenced in nine months home detention.

457
00:24:29,613 --> 00:24:33,173
Speaker 3: He was given a whole raft of discounts and e

458
00:24:33,213 --> 00:24:35,453
Speaker 3: caulled up to fifty percent altogether, but twenty five for

459
00:24:35,533 --> 00:24:39,573
Speaker 3: pleading guilty, fifteen for rehabilitation efforts and ten for good

460
00:24:39,653 --> 00:24:42,773
Speaker 3: character previous good character. I should say and remorse. So

461
00:24:42,773 --> 00:24:44,653
Speaker 3: what do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

462
00:24:44,693 --> 00:24:47,893
Speaker 2: So, as Phil rightly points out, so Liz was saying

463
00:24:47,893 --> 00:24:49,693
Speaker 2: he was the top cop in the country. But you know,

464
00:24:49,693 --> 00:24:52,173
Speaker 2: her point still stands that he was a person in

465
00:24:52,213 --> 00:24:54,893
Speaker 2: a position of high trust, yes, in the country. But

466
00:24:54,973 --> 00:24:57,533
Speaker 2: of course he was the former Deputy police Commissioner yeap

467
00:24:57,613 --> 00:24:59,933
Speaker 2: so to clarify he wasn't the top cop.

468
00:25:01,493 --> 00:25:01,613
Speaker 4: Here.

469
00:25:01,733 --> 00:25:05,053
Speaker 2: The sixth says, Hi, guys that Ahole should be have

470
00:25:05,133 --> 00:25:08,053
Speaker 2: been jailed with mungrel mob. He shouldn't be out for Christmas.

471
00:25:08,373 --> 00:25:10,573
Speaker 2: Crooked legal system and cops.

472
00:25:10,853 --> 00:25:13,013
Speaker 3: It's from Joy, thank you very much.

473
00:25:13,133 --> 00:25:15,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it'd be interesting. I don't know this, but

474
00:25:15,693 --> 00:25:18,493
Speaker 2: because the starting point was three years, and I believe

475
00:25:18,693 --> 00:25:21,293
Speaker 2: you can get home detention if you're under three years,

476
00:25:21,293 --> 00:25:24,213
Speaker 2: So the discount got them into the position where he

477
00:25:24,613 --> 00:25:27,253
Speaker 2: could get home detention. But I don't know anything about this,

478
00:25:27,373 --> 00:25:30,413
Speaker 2: So this is ranks bitch of speculation. But I wonder

479
00:25:30,413 --> 00:25:34,333
Speaker 2: if it's if home detention, whether the idea of how

480
00:25:34,373 --> 00:25:36,373
Speaker 2: well he'd go in prison was taken into account.

481
00:25:36,453 --> 00:25:37,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a band.

482
00:25:37,253 --> 00:25:39,052
Speaker 2: I don't imagine him going very well in prison if

483
00:25:39,093 --> 00:25:39,613
Speaker 2: he was in there.

484
00:25:39,693 --> 00:25:41,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're right, there is a band, and I

485
00:25:41,453 --> 00:25:43,653
Speaker 3: think it may have changed. But once they hit that band,

486
00:25:43,733 --> 00:25:46,213
Speaker 3: then they can start looking at the home detention option

487
00:25:46,293 --> 00:25:48,773
Speaker 3: instead of prison, and clearly he fell into that. Once

488
00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:52,133
Speaker 3: he hit eighteen months, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

489
00:25:52,253 --> 00:25:56,133
Speaker 3: is that number to call Helen how are you today,

490
00:25:56,533 --> 00:25:57,133
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

491
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Speaker 12: Hi will. I feel quite sick over this. Despite what

492
00:26:01,773 --> 00:26:07,133
Speaker 12: the judge said about, you know, the victims, it's kind

493
00:26:07,173 --> 00:26:10,333
Speaker 12: of comes across as sort of pretty much it's a

494
00:26:10,453 --> 00:26:15,373
Speaker 12: victimless crime, and anybody like that will be just sighing

495
00:26:15,453 --> 00:26:19,333
Speaker 12: relief that they can just have nine months at home

496
00:26:19,453 --> 00:26:23,093
Speaker 12: and all the comforts a home that doesn't seem to

497
00:26:23,093 --> 00:26:27,333
Speaker 12: be any restrictions on computer use. I can understand that

498
00:26:27,413 --> 00:26:31,733
Speaker 12: people on home detention can go shopping and have visitors, so,

499
00:26:32,853 --> 00:26:35,373
Speaker 12: you know, if it's a problem, if they're really worried

500
00:26:35,413 --> 00:26:38,293
Speaker 12: about him being imprisonated, remove him to a house on

501
00:26:38,973 --> 00:26:42,973
Speaker 12: the present site for instance. That doesn't seem to be

502
00:26:43,013 --> 00:26:48,493
Speaker 12: any requirements for him to have ongoing therapy or anything

503
00:26:48,573 --> 00:26:52,813
Speaker 12: like that. And I really do doubt that he's behabilitated. Now.

504
00:26:53,613 --> 00:26:58,853
Speaker 12: One thing I've been wondering is because he's done home detention,

505
00:26:59,653 --> 00:27:02,733
Speaker 12: does that mean that he might not qualify for a

506
00:27:02,853 --> 00:27:07,973
Speaker 12: clean slate after seven years, And whether he's going to

507
00:27:07,973 --> 00:27:10,933
Speaker 12: be able to travel, because if he's I believe it's

508
00:27:10,933 --> 00:27:14,052
Speaker 12: really ingrained, he could just go overseas at the end

509
00:27:14,053 --> 00:27:18,893
Speaker 12: of the sentence and run keetpar rings and carry on

510
00:27:18,973 --> 00:27:21,733
Speaker 12: his merry ways overseas. So I don't think this is

511
00:27:22,053 --> 00:27:26,093
Speaker 12: any punishment at all. Really, I think it's disgusting. So

512
00:27:26,133 --> 00:27:28,733
Speaker 12: I'd like something to find out if that's if he

513
00:27:28,773 --> 00:27:31,773
Speaker 12: would be able to qualify for clean slate and whether

514
00:27:31,813 --> 00:27:34,013
Speaker 12: he would be able to just go overseas.

515
00:27:35,493 --> 00:27:36,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

516
00:27:38,573 --> 00:27:42,013
Speaker 3: It's an interesting question. I will say though, Helen, looking

517
00:27:42,053 --> 00:27:45,213
Speaker 3: at the judges notes in this story, and this often

518
00:27:45,213 --> 00:27:49,173
Speaker 3: happens in the criminal system, if the judge deems that

519
00:27:49,293 --> 00:27:52,213
Speaker 3: person at low risk of reoffending, then that comes to

520
00:27:52,253 --> 00:27:54,812
Speaker 3: play as well when it comes to home detention, and

521
00:27:55,013 --> 00:27:59,573
Speaker 3: certainly from the judges notes, she labeled Jevin mcskimming at

522
00:27:59,613 --> 00:28:00,853
Speaker 3: low risk of reoffending.

523
00:28:01,453 --> 00:28:05,493
Speaker 12: But he's been this is the culture which he was

524
00:28:05,773 --> 00:28:09,733
Speaker 12: brought up in, which is not his spots. He said that.

525
00:28:10,213 --> 00:28:12,333
Speaker 12: I understand that he said that he had to have

526
00:28:12,533 --> 00:28:15,133
Speaker 12: more and more of the stuff to actually feel anything

527
00:28:15,173 --> 00:28:18,853
Speaker 12: because he was completely emotionally numb. So I mean, I

528
00:28:18,973 --> 00:28:21,693
Speaker 12: doubt that his reasonability I think is it's so ingrained

529
00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:25,453
Speaker 12: in him and we need to be coming down harder

530
00:28:25,493 --> 00:28:31,693
Speaker 12: on on all this terrible pornography. It's it's just dreadful. Yeah, Helen,

531
00:28:31,773 --> 00:28:34,533
Speaker 12: think thousands of children, thousands and thousand.

532
00:28:35,373 --> 00:28:38,453
Speaker 3: It's horrendous, no doubt about that. Yeah, Helen, thank you

533
00:28:38,533 --> 00:28:40,773
Speaker 3: very much for giving us a buzz. I really appreciate,

534
00:28:41,093 --> 00:28:43,853
Speaker 3: really appreciate your thoughts, and we'll try and find out

535
00:28:43,853 --> 00:28:48,453
Speaker 3: about the clean slate system. When it comes to home detention, so.

536
00:28:49,293 --> 00:28:52,333
Speaker 2: No, because because home definention as far as I can

537
00:28:52,373 --> 00:28:56,293
Speaker 2: see here, so you're not allowed the clean slate legislation

538
00:28:56,373 --> 00:29:01,733
Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't come into effect if you've served a term

539
00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:06,053
Speaker 2: present term, and home detention, as as as far as

540
00:29:06,133 --> 00:29:11,293
Speaker 2: I can see here, a is considered the same as imprisonment.

541
00:29:10,893 --> 00:29:13,733
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so he's still full under the same law.

542
00:29:14,093 --> 00:29:15,813
Speaker 2: So as far as I can work out from this,

543
00:29:15,933 --> 00:29:18,093
Speaker 2: he wouldn't he wouldn't be eligible for the clean slate

544
00:29:18,133 --> 00:29:22,813
Speaker 2: situation in seven years. So in terms of his rehabilitation,

545
00:29:22,973 --> 00:29:27,813
Speaker 2: the judge thought that he had made some serious efforts

546
00:29:27,813 --> 00:29:31,653
Speaker 2: towards towards rehabilitation. And you know, you always ask that

547
00:29:31,733 --> 00:29:33,773
Speaker 2: question is why have you done that? Have you done

548
00:29:33,773 --> 00:29:37,573
Speaker 2: it because you're actually seriously trying to rehabilitate yourself or

549
00:29:37,613 --> 00:29:43,253
Speaker 2: because you want to get at the discount. But I've

550
00:29:43,253 --> 00:29:45,653
Speaker 2: read it somewhere before. What was listed in what the

551
00:29:45,693 --> 00:29:49,653
Speaker 2: rehabilitation he'd undertaken. There was some faith based staff, there was,

552
00:29:49,693 --> 00:29:51,333
Speaker 2: there was quite a bit that he had undertaken.

553
00:29:51,533 --> 00:29:55,253
Speaker 3: I've got it here. So that included an engagement with

554
00:29:55,293 --> 00:30:01,573
Speaker 3: a psychologist and twenty five sessions with a faith based therapist. So,

555
00:30:01,653 --> 00:30:03,893
Speaker 3: engagement with a psychologist and twenty five sessions with a

556
00:30:03,933 --> 00:30:09,053
Speaker 3: faith faith ba based therapist. I mean, argua believe that

557
00:30:09,373 --> 00:30:11,653
Speaker 3: if he's taken those steps to go and see a

558
00:30:11,693 --> 00:30:13,853
Speaker 3: therapist for twenty five separate sessions.

559
00:30:14,733 --> 00:30:16,493
Speaker 2: So is that where you have a fifteen He got

560
00:30:16,493 --> 00:30:22,693
Speaker 2: a fifteen percent reduction on his sentence for significant rehabilitative efforts. Yeah,

561
00:30:22,813 --> 00:30:24,933
Speaker 2: so is that you know twenty five sessions?

562
00:30:26,093 --> 00:30:26,213
Speaker 5: Is that?

563
00:30:27,333 --> 00:30:29,373
Speaker 3: Is that included as significant.

564
00:30:28,933 --> 00:30:32,573
Speaker 2: With including sessions with a psychologist and a faith based therapist?

565
00:30:32,653 --> 00:30:33,773
Speaker 2: Is that worth fifteen percent?

566
00:30:33,773 --> 00:30:35,133
Speaker 3: It's a lot of gray there, Yeah, I mean I

567
00:30:35,173 --> 00:30:35,533
Speaker 3: don't know.

568
00:30:35,773 --> 00:30:39,373
Speaker 2: And they, as I said before, they you know, the

569
00:30:39,613 --> 00:30:43,773
Speaker 2: justice system is is aware of box sticking, as of

570
00:30:43,773 --> 00:30:46,693
Speaker 2: course they would be. But how do you know? Yeah,

571
00:30:46,733 --> 00:30:49,973
Speaker 2: you know, do you does the I don't know. Do

572
00:30:50,293 --> 00:30:52,213
Speaker 2: you ask them do you think this person was why

573
00:30:52,253 --> 00:30:54,093
Speaker 2: have they come to you? You ask the psychologist and the

574
00:30:54,453 --> 00:30:57,453
Speaker 2: face faith based serious therapist. Do you think this person's

575
00:30:57,493 --> 00:31:01,573
Speaker 2: coming to me because they want to rehabilitate or do

576
00:31:01,613 --> 00:31:03,533
Speaker 2: you think they're coming to me because they want to

577
00:31:03,533 --> 00:31:04,813
Speaker 2: get a discount on their sentence.

578
00:31:04,973 --> 00:31:07,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question, and you'd hope they would

579
00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:10,093
Speaker 3: be brought into that sentence process. But if you do, know,

580
00:31:10,093 --> 00:31:11,493
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from you, oh, eight one hundred

581
00:31:11,493 --> 00:31:13,573
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty if you have gone through that

582
00:31:13,613 --> 00:31:16,453
Speaker 3: process yourself as a victim, all gone through the courts.

583
00:31:16,493 --> 00:31:18,773
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. Nine two nine twos the text.

584
00:31:18,893 --> 00:31:20,973
Speaker 2: Nikola asked question A lot of people are asking, and

585
00:31:21,013 --> 00:31:23,653
Speaker 2: I don't have the answer to this. Hi, Matt and Tyler.

586
00:31:23,893 --> 00:31:27,053
Speaker 2: Is he allowed any computed phone devices, et cetera? He

587
00:31:27,133 --> 00:31:29,013
Speaker 2: is on home detention? I hope not.

588
00:31:29,693 --> 00:31:30,093
Speaker 3: Yeah.

589
00:31:30,173 --> 00:31:34,813
Speaker 2: I mean, because there's there's lots of cases where you know,

590
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:39,693
Speaker 2: with you know, bail or you know, when you've been

591
00:31:39,733 --> 00:31:44,733
Speaker 2: let out of prison, when you have terms what words

592
00:31:44,813 --> 00:31:47,173
Speaker 2: escaping right now? But you have but you know, Mark Lundy,

593
00:31:47,173 --> 00:31:48,173
Speaker 2: for example, the conditions.

594
00:31:48,213 --> 00:31:48,413
Speaker 4: Yeah.

595
00:31:48,493 --> 00:31:51,533
Speaker 2: Yeah. Mark Lundy for example, is not allowed to look

596
00:31:51,573 --> 00:31:54,413
Speaker 2: up adult material. Yeah, which is quite odd for him

597
00:31:54,453 --> 00:31:56,973
Speaker 2: because it's doesn't really relate specifically to the case.

598
00:31:57,253 --> 00:32:00,013
Speaker 3: But you'd hope in this case for Jim mcskimming, absolutely

599
00:32:00,053 --> 00:32:02,733
Speaker 3: he should have those conditions. Yeah, yeah, I one hundred

600
00:32:02,733 --> 00:32:04,773
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. Set number to call back very shortly.

601
00:32:04,773 --> 00:32:05,973
Speaker 3: It is sixteen to two.

602
00:32:07,173 --> 00:32:11,053
Speaker 1: Lattims taking your calls on. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

603
00:32:11,093 --> 00:32:14,813
Speaker 1: ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

604
00:32:14,813 --> 00:32:17,293
Speaker 3: The'd be thirteen to two. We're talking about the discount

605
00:32:17,373 --> 00:32:19,053
Speaker 3: system in our courts.

606
00:32:19,253 --> 00:32:21,613
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, the honest truth about the sentences. It will

607
00:32:21,613 --> 00:32:23,413
Speaker 2: cost the tax bar a hell of a lot less,

608
00:32:23,413 --> 00:32:26,333
Speaker 2: says this text. If he's on home detention because there

609
00:32:26,373 --> 00:32:28,773
Speaker 2: is no prison in New Zealand that he would be safe,

610
00:32:28,893 --> 00:32:32,213
Speaker 2: and corrections don't have enough staff. Any young gang members

611
00:32:32,253 --> 00:32:34,293
Speaker 2: will want to make a name for themselves to take

612
00:32:34,373 --> 00:32:36,013
Speaker 2: him out. Maybe it's better.

613
00:32:36,973 --> 00:32:39,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting point this.

614
00:32:39,373 --> 00:32:42,173
Speaker 2: Frank points out that the Clean Slate Act of twenty

615
00:32:42,173 --> 00:32:45,133
Speaker 2: four only works inside New Zealand as far as overseas travel.

616
00:32:45,813 --> 00:32:48,773
Speaker 2: They see everything that's from Frank. But yeah, also the

617
00:32:49,333 --> 00:32:53,053
Speaker 2: Clean Slate legislation won't help him because you know, even

618
00:32:53,093 --> 00:32:56,853
Speaker 2: home detention is considered a prison sentence, which rules you

619
00:32:57,133 --> 00:32:59,813
Speaker 2: out this Texas is the whole premise of discounts is flawed.

620
00:33:00,173 --> 00:33:02,853
Speaker 2: Do the time do the crime. If it is in

621
00:33:02,853 --> 00:33:05,013
Speaker 2: the interest of the public to have things such as

622
00:33:05,093 --> 00:33:07,893
Speaker 2: incentivizing guilty, please we better to have a penalty for

623
00:33:07,973 --> 00:33:10,413
Speaker 2: not ex guilt as opposed to a discount. How about

624
00:33:10,453 --> 00:33:12,933
Speaker 2: not accepting guilt ads twenty five percent? Not engaging in

625
00:33:12,973 --> 00:33:18,973
Speaker 2: restorative justice practices adds another fifteen percent. That's from Greg. Yeah,

626
00:33:19,133 --> 00:33:23,333
Speaker 2: the whole you know, pleading guilty thing is so bizarre.

627
00:33:23,373 --> 00:33:25,253
Speaker 2: So up to a twenty five percent discount for an

628
00:33:25,253 --> 00:33:28,853
Speaker 2: early guilty plea smaller discounts if the plea comes later,

629
00:33:29,293 --> 00:33:32,053
Speaker 2: and the idea that it saves the victims from going

630
00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:36,013
Speaker 2: to trial arguably, and it conserves court resources and shows

631
00:33:36,053 --> 00:33:41,533
Speaker 2: acceptance of responsibility. But it gets pretty squirrellly if someone

632
00:33:42,213 --> 00:33:45,293
Speaker 2: you know and the courts gets things wrong. Often the

633
00:33:45,373 --> 00:33:48,533
Speaker 2: justice system isn't perfect by anyone's There's no one that

634
00:33:48,613 --> 00:33:51,573
Speaker 2: thinks the justice system is perfect. You are guilty in

635
00:33:51,613 --> 00:33:54,013
Speaker 2: the eyes of the law if you found guilty. And

636
00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:56,813
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about this case at all because he

637
00:33:56,893 --> 00:33:59,293
Speaker 2: is pleaded guilty. Yes, and I don't think there's any

638
00:33:59,373 --> 00:34:02,173
Speaker 2: question around guilt in this case. But if you are

639
00:34:02,173 --> 00:34:06,253
Speaker 2: not guilty and you're going through the system, then you

640
00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:08,893
Speaker 2: were incentivized to say you are guilty to get twenty

641
00:34:08,893 --> 00:34:11,172
Speaker 2: five percent off your sentence. And then you get these

642
00:34:11,172 --> 00:34:14,172
Speaker 2: people that refused across their entire time in prison to

643
00:34:14,213 --> 00:34:16,813
Speaker 2: admit their guilt and then they find it difficult to

644
00:34:16,853 --> 00:34:19,293
Speaker 2: parole on the back of this, and then sometimes we

645
00:34:19,333 --> 00:34:20,973
Speaker 2: find out that they were in a sind all along.

646
00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:22,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it has to been many of those cases.

647
00:34:23,133 --> 00:34:25,613
Speaker 2: Just seems like a massive logical floor. And I can

648
00:34:25,693 --> 00:34:28,813
Speaker 2: understand the idea of you know, saving the money on

649
00:34:28,853 --> 00:34:33,573
Speaker 2: the trial and stuff, but just an incentive to twenty

650
00:34:33,573 --> 00:34:36,773
Speaker 2: five percent reduction, Yeah, for pleading guilty. There's a lot

651
00:34:36,813 --> 00:34:39,133
Speaker 2: of flaws in it, a lot of logical flaws. Right,

652
00:34:39,173 --> 00:34:41,653
Speaker 2: we'll take a quick break and come back very shortly.

653
00:34:41,693 --> 00:34:44,653
Speaker 2: We have a chat to Russell, who recently supported a

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Speaker 2: friend being sentenced, so he's gone through this recently.

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Speaker 3: That's coming next. It's ten to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons News Dogs.

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Speaker 3: Envy very good afternoons.

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Speaker 13: You.

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about discounts in our court system. After

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Speaker 3: the sentencing of Gevin mcskimming. He was sentenced to nine months,

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Speaker 3: but he did get a total of fifty percent discounts

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Speaker 3: for pleading guilty, for rehabilitation efforts, and for remorse and

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Speaker 3: previous good character.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the judge's starting point was three years and

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Speaker 2: then discounted fifty percent. And I got it wrong before.

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Speaker 2: So the discount so to be considered a home detention,

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Speaker 2: it must be a prison sentence of two years or less. Right,

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Speaker 2: So the fifty percent gone down to eighteen months, and

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Speaker 2: then he was given nine months home detention. Must said

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Speaker 2: it was three years before, so he wouldn't have been

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Speaker 2: eligible for home detention if the judge had had stuck

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Speaker 2: with the starting point and hadn't had any of the discounts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Russell, How are you okay?

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Speaker 14: Mate?

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Speaker 3: How things very good? You're a good man to chat

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Speaker 3: to because you've recently gone through this process.

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Speaker 14: Well, what an interesting process. One thing, it's really hard

681
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Speaker 14: to listen to on the program right now. There are

682
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Speaker 14: a number of people who want to ring and completely

683
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Speaker 14: condemn and criticize the sentence and skimming and everything else.

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Speaker 14: I'm not happy with what he did. I think it's

685
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Speaker 14: just disgraceful, and I don't support him one little bit.

686
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Speaker 14: But a couple of things like skimming will lose probably

687
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Speaker 14: three hundred thousand dollars salary. If that was funding his mortgage,

688
00:36:27,053 --> 00:36:30,652
Speaker 14: he may well lose that mortgage and end up having

689
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Speaker 14: to sell. He may not. He certainly won't be employable

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Speaker 14: for the next year. So if we work out his

691
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Speaker 14: loss and go through that, it could be well over

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Speaker 14: half a million dollars. But if that was me and

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Speaker 14: my salary of a pension of thirty thousand, my lost

694
00:36:48,693 --> 00:36:52,453
Speaker 14: fact is minimal. Now we're both the same, full blooded males,

695
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Speaker 14: will say, with access to the pornography, and so what's

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Speaker 14: the difference in terms of the sentence. This is where

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Speaker 14: a judge comes and I recently went through this that

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Speaker 14: I supported a friend and it was a long process

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Speaker 14: through this person looked like they could have gone to prison.

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Speaker 14: But boy, the judge had so many things to look at,

701
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Speaker 14: psychological reports, doctors, report work history, character references, previous convictions,

702
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Speaker 14: the whole nine yards, And the judge went through every

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Speaker 14: single facet of that and commented on them. Individually and

704
00:37:30,453 --> 00:37:35,333
Speaker 14: then made their decision of discounts. And that's not done

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Speaker 14: on the day she goes through them or he goes

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Speaker 14: through them as a judge and chambers over previous days

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Speaker 14: and week weeks, and they based it on looking at

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Speaker 14: everyone else's situation. So what is the benchmark either through

709
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Speaker 14: Supreme Court, High Court, Court of Appeal, everything's benchmark against

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Speaker 14: each other. So you can't say, oh, I mean we're

711
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Speaker 14: going to lock you up for three years because at

712
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Speaker 14: the end of the day, and I'm not defending this,

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Speaker 14: but there was no sexual abuse. He actually says, to

714
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Speaker 14: pornography and if you look at the number of males

715
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Speaker 14: that might be calling, and they might be less because

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Speaker 14: there might be a large number of males and females

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Speaker 14: probably that have accessed pornography in the last five years

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Speaker 14: that think, oh, I'll better not ring up.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But as Judge Black said, the viewing of such material

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Speaker 2: contributes to the ongoing and what would appear to be

722
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Speaker 2: almost insatiable demand for such madeal, which in turn creates untold,

723
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Speaker 2: real harm and real misery two thousands and thousands of

724
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Speaker 2: children every year. So the logic there and is that

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Speaker 2: you know, whilst it's not a direct link with the

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Speaker 2: victims that are involved in the material. It is a

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Speaker 2: it does create the market marketplace, and and you know

728
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Speaker 2: the supply and demand situation. So if there's no one

729
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Speaker 2: using this and looking at this, then then the then

730
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Speaker 2: there wouldn't be the victims. Do you see that logic

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Speaker 2: in it? Russell.

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Speaker 4: I've worked with.

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Speaker 14: Children all my life. I one hundred percent agree with you.

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Speaker 14: There is no question about this. However, let's let's look

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Speaker 14: at the politicians and let's look at Facebook.

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Russell, so sorry, we've got the news coming

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Speaker 2: in in about ten seconds, so we'll get if it's

738
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Speaker 2: all right, we'll get you back on after the news.

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Speaker 2: If that's called. We've just run out of time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're enjoying this, Russell, so stay tuned. We're going

741
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Speaker 3: to carry this on our one hundred and eighty ten

742
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Speaker 3: eighty News is next.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talk ZID.

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Speaker 3: Be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.

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Speaker 3: Seven past two. So we have been talking about discounts

747
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Speaker 3: within our court system. On the back of the Gevin

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Speaker 3: mcskimming sentence, of nine months home detention. So here's a

749
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Speaker 3: little bit of Melissa Nightingale. She is a New Zealand

750
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Speaker 3: Hero reporter. She was in court throughout the whole process

751
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Speaker 3: and therefore the sentence scene, and here she explains to

752
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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge she was on the show yesterday. Little bit

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Speaker 3: about how the sentence was handed down. Four gremlins, gremlin's

754
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Speaker 3: in the system.

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Speaker 15: So a judge adopted a starting point of three years

756
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Speaker 15: in prison. From there, he's given a bunch of discounts,

757
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Speaker 15: the biggest one being a twenty five percent discount for

758
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Speaker 15: an early guilty plea. We then had discounts for previous

759
00:40:33,413 --> 00:40:39,333
Speaker 15: good character, remorse and significant rehabilitative efforts such as twenty

760
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Speaker 15: five sessions with a faith based therapist, engagement with the

761
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Speaker 15: psychologist who specializes in sex offenders. With all of those

762
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Speaker 15: discounts combined, that brought it down to a sentence of

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Speaker 15: eighteen months in prison. Once the sentence drops to a

764
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Speaker 15: two years prison all below, it's then available to potentially

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Speaker 15: be switched over to home detention, which he's chosen to

766
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Speaker 15: do in this case. Some of the factors were that,

767
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Speaker 15: given that Mick Skimming was a well known police officer,

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Speaker 15: that prison would make him a prime target for extreme violence,

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Speaker 15: So he's chosen to commute this to home detention, and

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Speaker 15: when they do that, they have what would have been

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Speaker 15: the prison sentence because that factor is in when someone

772
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Speaker 15: would have become available for parole. So that's gone from

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Speaker 15: eighteen months prison down to nine months home detention with

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Speaker 15: six months post release condition. This sentence follows a sentencing indication.

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Speaker 15: He already knew he wasn't going to jail, so it

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Speaker 15: wouldn't have come as a surprise to him.

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Speaker 16: What about the timing here, So we initially thought that

778
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Speaker 16: there was a timeline about when he had looked at

779
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Speaker 16: this stuff, but that's changed a little bit.

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Speaker 17: What do we know.

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Speaker 2: What do we learn today?

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Speaker 15: Well, his charges date back for about five years, but

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Speaker 15: it does say in the police summary of facts that

784
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Speaker 15: that is just as far back as the online records go,

785
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Speaker 15: so that was as far back as they could pin

786
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Speaker 15: him on it. But he has said to a pre

787
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Speaker 15: sentence report writer that he first began seeking out objectionable

788
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Speaker 15: material in twenty fifteen, so we know he's been trying

789
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Speaker 15: to look for this stuff for about a decade, or

790
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Speaker 15: at least that's what he's told us.

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Speaker 2: Melissa.

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Speaker 16: I appreciate that up, don't thank you. Melissa Nightingale, who's

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Speaker 16: with the Herald in Wellington and was in court to day.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting. So that's a good rundown on the sentence

795
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Speaker 3: scene and a little bit more information about his history

796
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Speaker 3: with accessing that material.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, we don't know exact details of

798
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Speaker 2: it going back to twenty fifteen, but you know previous

799
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Speaker 2: good character? Was that ten percent off of previous good character?

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Speaker 4: It was? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Is it previous good character if it goes back to

802
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Speaker 2: two thousand and fifteen, Yeah, I don't know. Hey, Russell,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the show. Thank you for waiting across

804
00:42:52,053 --> 00:42:52,493
Speaker 2: the news.

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Speaker 14: So that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Before we left you, you'd recently gone through the process

807
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Speaker 2: of seeing how judges make these discounts, and you were

808
00:43:02,453 --> 00:43:05,213
Speaker 2: talking you were involved. I assume what you were saying

809
00:43:05,853 --> 00:43:08,413
Speaker 2: in the previous good character part of it being a

810
00:43:08,533 --> 00:43:10,172
Speaker 2: reference to someone that you knew.

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Speaker 14: Yes, this judge looked a long way back, right back

812
00:43:16,773 --> 00:43:21,533
Speaker 14: into psychological reports and the history of anything which may

813
00:43:21,613 --> 00:43:25,213
Speaker 14: have been a trigger to offending. And one of the

814
00:43:25,253 --> 00:43:28,253
Speaker 14: things that comes up every time, and I have worked

815
00:43:28,293 --> 00:43:34,813
Speaker 14: with youth justice guys out at a youth justice facility

816
00:43:34,853 --> 00:43:38,533
Speaker 14: for quite some years, and it boils down to one word,

817
00:43:38,573 --> 00:43:45,013
Speaker 14: and that's addictions. Now, gambling, pornography, all these things, methamphet,

818
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Speaker 14: me everything are all addictions. And if we think that

819
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Speaker 14: Max Means that one of the few in New Zealand

820
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Speaker 14: who is doing what he's doing, I think we're deluded.

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Speaker 14: There's a very large portion of our population doing right

822
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Speaker 14: now as we talk exactly what Means been doing since

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Speaker 14: twenty and fifteen. So he said he developed an addiction

824
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Speaker 14: and he's been found out, and a lot of mail

825
00:44:07,973 --> 00:44:10,053
Speaker 14: is probably want to be found out and don't get

826
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Speaker 14: found out. But when they do, the old proverbial hits

827
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Speaker 14: the fan and there's no way to hide. MC skimming

828
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Speaker 14: is marked for life. He could lose a million bucks,

829
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Speaker 14: He could lose his family, the respect of his kids,

830
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Speaker 14: his wife, his friends, and judges have to weigh all

831
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Speaker 14: this against other people in the same boat. And just

832
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Speaker 14: because he's a police officer and the trust actors there,

833
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Speaker 14: he would get probably what we call an uplift for that.

834
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Speaker 14: He may get a ten percent uplift because he's in

835
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Speaker 14: a position of power and authority. However, on the other

836
00:44:45,053 --> 00:44:50,533
Speaker 14: side that the discounts come in because it wasn't of

837
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Speaker 14: any physical abuse. It was purely a porn addiction and

838
00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:58,692
Speaker 14: other addictions to other things that we won't name. So

839
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Speaker 14: I think when a couple of people rang before and

840
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Speaker 14: completely lambasted him and said, oh, he should be locked up,

841
00:45:06,653 --> 00:45:10,773
Speaker 14: whit's every well, I would agree we could lock them

842
00:45:10,853 --> 00:45:13,252
Speaker 14: up along with all the others in the same boat ash,

843
00:45:13,973 --> 00:45:17,093
Speaker 14: but only if they could lock them up at somewhere

844
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Speaker 14: like Roliston Timatimer Sex Unit where they would get some

845
00:45:21,053 --> 00:45:26,133
Speaker 14: real psychological help. They would be receiving proper care and

846
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Speaker 14: attention to deal with their addiction, and then released at

847
00:45:30,133 --> 00:45:33,933
Speaker 14: the appropriate time when they it's felt that they are

848
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Speaker 14: in a place to be a good, healthy individual, not

849
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Speaker 14: just a set Why you've got five years, it's not

850
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Speaker 14: about that, It's about addictions. I've had several boys over

851
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Speaker 14: the last ten years who I worked without in the

852
00:45:49,453 --> 00:45:53,253
Speaker 14: prison system underage, and they probably did ram raids and

853
00:45:53,293 --> 00:45:56,733
Speaker 14: everything else, and I've done arm robberies, but the underlying

854
00:45:56,773 --> 00:46:01,933
Speaker 14: thing was addiction to methamphetamine. And one owned several addictions

855
00:46:01,933 --> 00:46:05,733
Speaker 14: to sexual abuse because they had been abused. They abused

856
00:46:07,053 --> 00:46:10,013
Speaker 14: and then the issue gets rarely deep and I wrote

857
00:46:10,053 --> 00:46:11,973
Speaker 14: some notes while sitting on the side of the road

858
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Speaker 14: about having a healthy person and a healthy society. I

859
00:46:18,653 --> 00:46:21,973
Speaker 14: think half the problem is the government. And we've just

860
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Speaker 14: now blacklisted all the casinos in the world, so we

861
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Speaker 14: have fifteen of them and you cannot now use a

862
00:46:28,893 --> 00:46:32,652
Speaker 14: credit card. That's fantastic. So can they not do the

863
00:46:32,653 --> 00:46:35,933
Speaker 14: same to paorn hub and all the other hubs? Can

864
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Speaker 14: they not do the same to snapchat under sixteen in

865
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Speaker 14: Facebook which encourages kids that I've worked with to bully

866
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Speaker 14: and have suicides and that sort of thing. So where

867
00:46:46,093 --> 00:46:49,013
Speaker 14: is our adult responsibility and all this because it's not

868
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Speaker 14: just about MC skimming, it's very deep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Russell, if I could just take you back a

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00:46:55,053 --> 00:46:59,333
Speaker 2: step though, So you say it's about addiction, and there is,

871
00:47:00,133 --> 00:47:01,773
Speaker 2: you know, you just have to look at the numbers,

872
00:47:02,013 --> 00:47:04,212
Speaker 2: you know, of you know, the data numbers of how

873
00:47:04,293 --> 00:47:08,813
Speaker 2: much time is spent looking at pornography online New Zealand.

874
00:47:09,453 --> 00:47:13,213
Speaker 2: It's huge and there's been so many studies showing how

875
00:47:13,253 --> 00:47:17,773
Speaker 2: bad it is for particularly men across across the world.

876
00:47:18,333 --> 00:47:20,773
Speaker 2: But isn't there a line? Isn't there a difference because

877
00:47:20,773 --> 00:47:26,013
Speaker 2: there's there's addiction to pornography and pornography is in scales,

878
00:47:26,573 --> 00:47:29,853
Speaker 2: and so the idea seems a bit strange to me

879
00:47:30,053 --> 00:47:34,172
Speaker 2: that an addiction will then lead into the areas that

880
00:47:34,213 --> 00:47:38,252
Speaker 2: it led him into, because they seem to be very, very,

881
00:47:38,573 --> 00:47:42,653
Speaker 2: very dark areas, and I can't see a straight line

882
00:47:42,973 --> 00:47:49,093
Speaker 2: between these. What is I don't know, mainstream pornography, if

883
00:47:49,133 --> 00:47:53,493
Speaker 2: there is such a thing, and this stuff that is

884
00:47:53,573 --> 00:47:58,453
Speaker 2: looking at illegal and horrible, horrible activity. So there's probably

885
00:47:58,453 --> 00:48:00,453
Speaker 2: plenty of There's probably plenty of people out there with

886
00:48:01,493 --> 00:48:05,453
Speaker 2: pornography addictions, but I would imagine, and I would hope

887
00:48:05,653 --> 00:48:11,013
Speaker 2: very few that have the interest in what he was

888
00:48:11,053 --> 00:48:14,013
Speaker 2: interested in. If you see what I'm saying, I'll.

889
00:48:13,813 --> 00:48:16,373
Speaker 14: Help you out a little. I'll turn to the drug scene.

890
00:48:17,293 --> 00:48:20,133
Speaker 14: I'm just a recreational drug use of cannabis in the

891
00:48:20,133 --> 00:48:23,533
Speaker 14: weekends and just socio. I don't do much, and that's

892
00:48:23,573 --> 00:48:25,573
Speaker 14: how they all the boys started. So I've worked with

893
00:48:25,613 --> 00:48:28,533
Speaker 14: a lot of teenage boys. I've been at that facility

894
00:48:28,933 --> 00:48:31,933
Speaker 14: over the last ten years, and not full time in

895
00:48:31,973 --> 00:48:35,613
Speaker 14: the last few but quite a lot part time. I

896
00:48:35,693 --> 00:48:38,773
Speaker 14: just smoked a bit of dope and some guy I've

897
00:48:38,813 --> 00:48:41,933
Speaker 14: with some pills, and then it went to methamphetamine. And

898
00:48:41,973 --> 00:48:44,573
Speaker 14: now I'm completely hooked and I'm doing armed robberies to

899
00:48:44,613 --> 00:48:48,533
Speaker 14: get money for meth. So that's one area. The second

900
00:48:48,533 --> 00:48:51,212
Speaker 14: one in porners. Look, I've seen those same deals all

901
00:48:51,253 --> 00:48:54,613
Speaker 14: the time. They're just boring. I need something more. My brain,

902
00:48:54,893 --> 00:48:58,693
Speaker 14: the dopomeanor my brain has not been released at sufficient

903
00:48:58,813 --> 00:49:04,053
Speaker 14: levels to satisfy my desires. So I've seen her every week.

904
00:49:04,253 --> 00:49:06,693
Speaker 14: She's the same one, So I need more.

905
00:49:08,413 --> 00:49:10,693
Speaker 2: Don't you have to have a proclivity to a certain

906
00:49:10,773 --> 00:49:13,413
Speaker 2: kind of desire to be looking at the stuff that

907
00:49:13,533 --> 00:49:19,373
Speaker 2: he's looking at, like addictions, addiction but but but addictions.

908
00:49:19,853 --> 00:49:25,893
Speaker 2: But I don't know that to use your your argument,

909
00:49:26,253 --> 00:49:28,493
Speaker 2: So you could get addicted to meth, right, and then

910
00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:32,293
Speaker 2: you commit some crimes, and maybe those crimes are a robbery, right,

911
00:49:32,693 --> 00:49:35,973
Speaker 2: but then there's then then then that then a murder

912
00:49:36,013 --> 00:49:39,613
Speaker 2: comes into it. If you've there's lines of where the

913
00:49:39,653 --> 00:49:43,573
Speaker 2: addiction leads you, right, And I would believe that there

914
00:49:43,573 --> 00:49:46,053
Speaker 2: would with the majority of people that could get addicted

915
00:49:46,093 --> 00:49:50,653
Speaker 2: to this kind of material, material would never have the

916
00:49:50,853 --> 00:49:54,093
Speaker 2: interest in the No matter what, it seems like a

917
00:49:54,213 --> 00:49:57,493
Speaker 2: different pathway to me. It seems like you've you've you've

918
00:49:57,573 --> 00:49:59,933
Speaker 2: veered off into a pathway that only a very few

919
00:49:59,973 --> 00:50:02,493
Speaker 2: amount of people would be interested in or might just naive.

920
00:50:03,933 --> 00:50:06,573
Speaker 14: Probably we but that you're right that there are only

921
00:50:06,693 --> 00:50:09,933
Speaker 14: some people who'd be interested in that side. But we

922
00:50:10,413 --> 00:50:14,133
Speaker 14: have switches in our genetic makeup, and that switch says, look,

923
00:50:14,173 --> 00:50:18,693
Speaker 14: I need more. What about the beastia? Oh no, no, I

924
00:50:18,693 --> 00:50:21,173
Speaker 14: don't go down that line. I might go down this line.

925
00:50:21,853 --> 00:50:24,173
Speaker 14: And so there are a number of lines that addiction

926
00:50:24,293 --> 00:50:26,973
Speaker 14: can take you down. It's just like gambling can take

927
00:50:27,013 --> 00:50:29,772
Speaker 14: you down to fraud. And we've all seen those where

928
00:50:29,813 --> 00:50:31,893
Speaker 14: all of a sudden, I'm going to rip off the

929
00:50:31,893 --> 00:50:35,573
Speaker 14: company for a million bucks and oh I never would

930
00:50:35,573 --> 00:50:38,533
Speaker 14: have done that five years ago. But addiction leads to

931
00:50:38,613 --> 00:50:41,373
Speaker 14: the next addiction. But some of these boys that I've

932
00:50:41,413 --> 00:50:46,093
Speaker 14: worked with, they carry guns. They carry guns, and none

933
00:50:46,133 --> 00:50:49,373
Speaker 14: of them, I mean one or two might have fired them.

934
00:50:50,013 --> 00:50:52,493
Speaker 14: But when it gets to the point where I'm like

935
00:50:52,573 --> 00:50:54,493
Speaker 14: the video I saw last night on Facebook with the

936
00:50:54,493 --> 00:50:58,533
Speaker 14: Indian the guy who attacked the two ram raiders, Well,

937
00:50:58,573 --> 00:51:01,493
Speaker 14: if they had a gun, they might have thought, OK,

938
00:51:01,493 --> 00:51:02,853
Speaker 14: got I shoot them. I'm going to get hurt, I'll

939
00:51:02,853 --> 00:51:06,773
Speaker 14: shoot and they shot. That leads to them at least

940
00:51:06,813 --> 00:51:09,453
Speaker 14: I got all the tobacco, babe, and it leads to

941
00:51:09,493 --> 00:51:12,053
Speaker 14: the next level. And I got away with that boy.

942
00:51:12,093 --> 00:51:16,253
Speaker 14: That was an adrenaline rush. I need another rush. Addiction

943
00:51:16,453 --> 00:51:19,173
Speaker 14: has to be cured. And what we don't have is

944
00:51:19,213 --> 00:51:23,373
Speaker 14: we don't have psychologists or psychiatrists in Auckland, Wellington or

945
00:51:23,453 --> 00:51:27,573
Speaker 14: christ Church that can cope. Especially christ Church. It's diabolical.

946
00:51:27,893 --> 00:51:32,813
Speaker 14: There are no psychologists or psychiatrists available to treat new

947
00:51:32,893 --> 00:51:38,093
Speaker 14: patients and sexual abuse, gambling, all those sorts of addictions

948
00:51:38,173 --> 00:51:41,933
Speaker 14: are that it's not there. You ring ACC like I

949
00:51:41,973 --> 00:51:44,893
Speaker 14: have for one other person I was assisting with. Wait

950
00:51:44,933 --> 00:51:47,533
Speaker 14: the three years, we still haven't got there. That person

951
00:51:47,733 --> 00:51:52,173
Speaker 14: is still off the rails. ACC can't do it.

952
00:51:52,413 --> 00:51:55,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, Russell, thank you very much. Some interesting thoughts one

953
00:51:55,933 --> 00:51:57,733
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty. I mean, look, just I

954
00:51:57,893 --> 00:52:00,973
Speaker 3: hear what Russell was saying, and definitely hear what you're saying.

955
00:52:01,013 --> 00:52:04,253
Speaker 3: But when it's that pornography addiction, and I we've probably

956
00:52:04,293 --> 00:52:06,973
Speaker 3: all know someone who's got that addiction to pornography. But

957
00:52:07,653 --> 00:52:11,653
Speaker 3: whether as you say, that steps into the barrier of

958
00:52:12,293 --> 00:52:15,453
Speaker 3: losing what you know is write and ethical and moral

959
00:52:15,733 --> 00:52:19,493
Speaker 3: because you have an addiction to me, addiction for most

960
00:52:19,493 --> 00:52:22,613
Speaker 3: people would mean something like watching it for seven hours

961
00:52:22,613 --> 00:52:28,413
Speaker 3: a day, or you know, you lose your responsibilities because

962
00:52:28,453 --> 00:52:31,813
Speaker 3: you need that dopamine hit. But going into where he

963
00:52:32,013 --> 00:52:35,373
Speaker 3: was going into it just doesn't compute to me. I

964
00:52:35,413 --> 00:52:40,133
Speaker 3: don't think that is an articulate version of pornography addiction.

965
00:52:40,693 --> 00:52:44,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, as this Texas says, pornography, isn't it illegal. Pornography

966
00:52:44,773 --> 00:52:47,573
Speaker 2: is legal. It's the type of pornography that he was

967
00:52:47,573 --> 00:52:51,373
Speaker 2: into that's illegal. Judge Black noted that the majority of

968
00:52:51,373 --> 00:52:53,893
Speaker 2: images viewed were it doesn't say what they were, but

969
00:52:53,973 --> 00:52:57,733
Speaker 2: involved adults, but a significant minority was child sexual abuse.

970
00:52:57,773 --> 00:53:01,613
Speaker 2: And I understand what Russell was saying about addiction, but

971
00:53:01,773 --> 00:53:07,813
Speaker 2: I just don't think that becoming addicted to pornography leads

972
00:53:08,413 --> 00:53:14,053
Speaker 2: people in a direct path towards looking at child's sexual

973
00:53:14,093 --> 00:53:15,333
Speaker 2: abuse material.

974
00:53:15,173 --> 00:53:17,613
Speaker 3: Because most of us would not get any sort of

975
00:53:17,613 --> 00:53:20,813
Speaker 3: dopamine hit from that sort of material because it discussed us.

976
00:53:20,893 --> 00:53:23,853
Speaker 3: So it is a proclivity for a very small minority

977
00:53:24,013 --> 00:53:26,812
Speaker 3: of people who form into that addiction to go into

978
00:53:26,853 --> 00:53:27,413
Speaker 3: that realm.

979
00:53:27,533 --> 00:53:31,133
Speaker 2: And as Russell agreed that you know, by the demand

980
00:53:31,173 --> 00:53:37,292
Speaker 2: for such material leads to the misery, which comes about

981
00:53:37,293 --> 00:53:40,373
Speaker 2: from people creating that material because of the demand. So

982
00:53:40,573 --> 00:53:42,493
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean what Russell says about addiction. I

983
00:53:42,533 --> 00:53:46,652
Speaker 2: mean addiction it does terrible damages to individuals in all

984
00:53:46,693 --> 00:53:49,292
Speaker 2: of society, and we don't understand it in the way

985
00:53:49,333 --> 00:53:52,693
Speaker 2: that would be helpful, and we don't have the resources

986
00:53:52,693 --> 00:53:53,173
Speaker 2: to deal with it.

987
00:53:53,253 --> 00:53:55,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting conversation. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

988
00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:57,373
Speaker 3: is that number of call love to hear your thoughts.

989
00:53:57,413 --> 00:54:00,573
Speaker 3: It is twenty one past two.

990
00:54:00,093 --> 00:54:04,493
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

991
00:54:04,493 --> 00:54:07,493
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said, be

992
00:54:08,773 --> 00:54:09,373
Speaker 1: News Talks.

993
00:54:09,373 --> 00:54:11,853
Speaker 3: There be having a very interesting discussion about the sentence

994
00:54:11,853 --> 00:54:14,093
Speaker 3: scene of Jevin mc skimming. So we have been talking

995
00:54:14,133 --> 00:54:16,933
Speaker 3: about the discount system and are their problems with it?

996
00:54:16,973 --> 00:54:20,533
Speaker 3: But also we as Russell was alluding to, being talking

997
00:54:20,613 --> 00:54:26,053
Speaker 3: about the addiction side of pornography in relation to this case.

998
00:54:26,973 --> 00:54:29,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, the majority of the stuff he

999
00:54:29,093 --> 00:54:31,413
Speaker 2: was looking at was adult pornography and we could have

1000
00:54:31,413 --> 00:54:33,213
Speaker 2: our discussion about that. And a lot of people are

1001
00:54:33,213 --> 00:54:37,533
Speaker 2: texting in band porn, Pawn's band and Vietnam band here

1002
00:54:37,573 --> 00:54:41,573
Speaker 2: and stuff. But I just think that there's pornography and

1003
00:54:41,613 --> 00:54:44,253
Speaker 2: then there's the stuff that he was looking at with children,

1004
00:54:44,333 --> 00:54:46,773
Speaker 2: and I just don't think they're the same thing. I

1005
00:54:46,773 --> 00:54:49,453
Speaker 2: think the discussions have had about pornography, but I think

1006
00:54:49,533 --> 00:54:51,493
Speaker 2: the discussions to be had about the stuff he was

1007
00:54:51,493 --> 00:54:58,573
Speaker 2: looking at is totally different. It's it's a it's so

1008
00:54:58,853 --> 00:55:02,733
Speaker 2: dark and so horrible that I don't think it's a

1009
00:55:02,773 --> 00:55:05,333
Speaker 2: straight line. I don't think that you just get more

1010
00:55:05,373 --> 00:55:07,373
Speaker 2: and more addicted in that you ended up in that

1011
00:55:07,453 --> 00:55:10,973
Speaker 2: kind of area. I think that you must have some

1012
00:55:11,213 --> 00:55:14,373
Speaker 2: interest in it, yeah, some kernel of interest in it that.

1013
00:55:14,573 --> 00:55:18,293
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people look at pornography, but

1014
00:55:18,373 --> 00:55:22,053
Speaker 2: I think ninety nine point nine percent and I might

1015
00:55:22,093 --> 00:55:26,533
Speaker 2: be naive here, would not consider that pornography. They would

1016
00:55:26,533 --> 00:55:30,133
Speaker 2: not consider it interesting in any way, and not get

1017
00:55:30,173 --> 00:55:32,293
Speaker 2: the dopamine hits that they get from pornography.

1018
00:55:32,773 --> 00:55:35,373
Speaker 3: From that kind of stuff, it would discuss most people.

1019
00:55:35,373 --> 00:55:38,373
Speaker 3: And I think that's the difference. Right, nine two ninety

1020
00:55:38,413 --> 00:55:41,453
Speaker 3: two is the text number. We've got plenty coming through,

1021
00:55:41,493 --> 00:55:43,613
Speaker 3: and O eight hundred and eighteen eighty is the number

1022
00:55:43,613 --> 00:55:44,453
Speaker 3: to call as well.

1023
00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:48,013
Speaker 2: The particular pornography this man was busted with is another

1024
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:50,973
Speaker 2: level most addicted to regular pawn would still never go

1025
00:55:51,093 --> 00:55:53,493
Speaker 2: down that path as that is a completely different path.

1026
00:55:53,613 --> 00:55:55,733
Speaker 2: Yet that that Hester has put it what I was

1027
00:55:55,733 --> 00:55:57,652
Speaker 2: trying to say much more discinct, Like I was all

1028
00:55:57,693 --> 00:55:59,093
Speaker 2: over the stop with what I was trying to say.

1029
00:55:59,573 --> 00:56:01,373
Speaker 3: Keep those texts coming in. We're going to take a

1030
00:56:01,453 --> 00:56:03,893
Speaker 3: quick break, but back with more of your calls on

1031
00:56:03,933 --> 00:56:06,213
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighteen eighty twenty five past two.

1032
00:56:09,773 --> 00:56:13,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1033
00:56:13,253 --> 00:56:15,533
Speaker 1: eighty on youth Talk said be.

1034
00:56:15,333 --> 00:56:17,692
Speaker 3: For a good afternoons. It is twenty eight past two.

1035
00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:20,413
Speaker 2: Now your thoughts on all of this. It's complex, but

1036
00:56:21,053 --> 00:56:21,813
Speaker 2: give it your best go.

1037
00:56:23,653 --> 00:56:27,013
Speaker 5: Yes, it is an incredibly complex So I had enough

1038
00:56:27,053 --> 00:56:31,373
Speaker 5: credits to go and study just criminal law because I

1039
00:56:31,413 --> 00:56:36,573
Speaker 5: was interested in it, the ways and where we needed

1040
00:56:36,613 --> 00:56:38,693
Speaker 5: to go and what ended up happening. I didn't end

1041
00:56:38,773 --> 00:56:42,453
Speaker 5: up getting bound by the law for the very reason that.

1042
00:56:44,253 --> 00:56:44,533
Speaker 8: It is.

1043
00:56:45,613 --> 00:56:50,053
Speaker 5: It is every every case is based on who's sitting

1044
00:56:50,053 --> 00:56:53,973
Speaker 5: in front of you and the judge, of meaning the judge.

1045
00:56:54,133 --> 00:56:57,333
Speaker 5: And for me, I have I write the position so

1046
00:56:57,653 --> 00:57:00,133
Speaker 5: someone will give me the summary effects. I will get

1047
00:57:00,133 --> 00:57:01,733
Speaker 5: both sides of the story, and I will pull it

1048
00:57:01,813 --> 00:57:05,053
Speaker 5: apart because I love the investigation side of it. It's

1049
00:57:05,093 --> 00:57:06,973
Speaker 5: not the fact that I want to get someone off

1050
00:57:07,293 --> 00:57:10,653
Speaker 5: a charge. It's the fact that, yes, you may be guilty,

1051
00:57:10,733 --> 00:57:16,493
Speaker 5: but where in the law can I pick apart something

1052
00:57:16,573 --> 00:57:22,093
Speaker 5: that will take away you know, take away your left

1053
00:57:22,173 --> 00:57:27,933
Speaker 5: charge or whatever. And with this whole case, it's dare

1054
00:57:28,013 --> 00:57:30,333
Speaker 5: I say it? But money and power does buy a

1055
00:57:30,493 --> 00:57:34,493
Speaker 5: lot of clout in in the justice system. And I've

1056
00:57:34,493 --> 00:57:34,853
Speaker 5: seen it.

1057
00:57:36,853 --> 00:57:38,573
Speaker 2: How does it? How does it? How does it buy

1058
00:57:38,653 --> 00:57:39,293
Speaker 2: you clout?

1059
00:57:39,413 --> 00:57:39,573
Speaker 4: Mel?

1060
00:57:41,093 --> 00:57:44,133
Speaker 2: Is it is it that you have the you know,

1061
00:57:44,253 --> 00:57:49,773
Speaker 2: the advice to do the things, jump into you know,

1062
00:57:49,813 --> 00:57:53,373
Speaker 2: the rehabilitation early so you can get those discounts. Is

1063
00:57:53,413 --> 00:57:55,053
Speaker 2: it is? It is that that area where you get

1064
00:57:55,053 --> 00:57:57,613
Speaker 2: the clout, you get the advice that leads you to

1065
00:57:57,693 --> 00:57:59,573
Speaker 2: these discounts. You see that is.

1066
00:57:59,533 --> 00:58:03,213
Speaker 5: That that that is that is the the the right

1067
00:58:03,213 --> 00:58:05,453
Speaker 5: way to do things. So you know that you're about

1068
00:58:05,493 --> 00:58:07,573
Speaker 5: to go and get a charge, so be it a

1069
00:58:07,893 --> 00:58:09,693
Speaker 5: drink crime in charge. Let's just grow that because it's

1070
00:58:09,733 --> 00:58:15,013
Speaker 5: easy for me. You go and before your sentence, you

1071
00:58:15,173 --> 00:58:18,733
Speaker 5: go and get your year. You're going to a whole

1072
00:58:18,733 --> 00:58:23,653
Speaker 5: lot of you know, rehabilitation courses. You set yourself out

1073
00:58:23,653 --> 00:58:27,293
Speaker 5: to do this that the next thing, right, you can

1074
00:58:27,373 --> 00:58:30,893
Speaker 5: then go there and you can get yourself a discount

1075
00:58:30,893 --> 00:58:32,893
Speaker 5: because you're going to go in and done those things,

1076
00:58:33,533 --> 00:58:37,533
Speaker 5: which is great and that's fantastic, but you've kind of

1077
00:58:37,573 --> 00:58:40,413
Speaker 5: already been out on the road doing that, and so

1078
00:58:40,573 --> 00:58:44,293
Speaker 5: because the justice system is so backed up that they

1079
00:58:44,333 --> 00:58:48,013
Speaker 5: can't actually get to you. And it is a good

1080
00:58:48,013 --> 00:58:50,573
Speaker 5: thing that you do good things. But I've got a

1081
00:58:50,613 --> 00:58:52,493
Speaker 5: case that's going on at the moment with it with

1082
00:58:52,893 --> 00:58:58,653
Speaker 5: a child and a mother who has been incredibly put

1083
00:58:58,773 --> 00:59:02,413
Speaker 5: into a situation where not only is the lies and

1084
00:59:02,453 --> 00:59:04,573
Speaker 5: those sorts of things, it's the Court of Appeal have

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00:59:04,653 --> 00:59:12,253
Speaker 5: accepted her as a stuff vitigant against what the High

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00:59:12,333 --> 00:59:15,293
Speaker 5: Court and the Family Court have done. And so I

1087
00:59:15,333 --> 00:59:20,173
Speaker 5: guess it is all about who you know, what you know.

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00:59:20,813 --> 00:59:23,253
Speaker 5: It's about a boys club or girls club, however you

1089
00:59:23,293 --> 00:59:25,853
Speaker 5: see it. It's about putting yourself out there and doing

1090
00:59:25,853 --> 00:59:28,213
Speaker 5: a bunch of things. But the problem is is that

1091
00:59:28,493 --> 00:59:31,413
Speaker 5: you've done in an offense. And because the justice system

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00:59:31,493 --> 00:59:34,373
Speaker 5: is so backed up, you can go and do all

1093
00:59:34,453 --> 00:59:37,693
Speaker 5: these little things to get yourself a little bit of

1094
00:59:38,853 --> 00:59:41,533
Speaker 5: you know, not for me, I can get some time off.

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00:59:43,213 --> 00:59:45,853
Speaker 3: But you play the system. You play the system how

1096
00:59:46,053 --> 00:59:48,573
Speaker 3: it can be played. But the argument from Russell about

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00:59:48,613 --> 00:59:51,093
Speaker 3: the court of public opinion, and I can understand that

1098
00:59:51,253 --> 00:59:54,413
Speaker 3: argument that when someone does have a big public profile

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00:59:54,453 --> 00:59:57,853
Speaker 3: and they're very well recognized, like Javin mcskimming, his life

1100
00:59:57,893 --> 01:00:00,653
Speaker 3: is in tatters and it will be probably for the

1101
01:00:00,653 --> 01:00:03,453
Speaker 3: rest of the time he's on this planet. So the

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01:00:03,573 --> 01:00:06,453
Speaker 3: judge arguably may take that into account. Do you think

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01:00:06,453 --> 01:00:07,453
Speaker 3: that is a fair thing to do?

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Speaker 5: But a grown a grown man should know what is wrong.

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01:00:14,653 --> 01:00:16,573
Speaker 5: You would think a grown man should know what is

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01:00:16,653 --> 01:00:19,533
Speaker 5: right or wrong. It's like a young woman going into

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01:00:19,573 --> 01:00:22,693
Speaker 5: a situation who is beautiful and goes into a bar

1108
01:00:23,173 --> 01:00:25,693
Speaker 5: knowingly that they are either under age or not under age,

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01:00:25,733 --> 01:00:28,693
Speaker 5: and puts themselves into a situation where there's drinking and

1110
01:00:28,733 --> 01:00:31,733
Speaker 5: there's men and there's a party, and then all of

1111
01:00:31,773 --> 01:00:36,613
Speaker 5: a sudden something goes wrong. If you are so naive

1112
01:00:36,653 --> 01:00:40,373
Speaker 5: to the fact that you don't think the possibility of

1113
01:00:40,413 --> 01:00:45,853
Speaker 5: something going to happen is not sitting in your mind, then.

1114
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Speaker 2: I mean, but in that case, what about whatever about

1115
01:00:51,333 --> 01:00:55,533
Speaker 2: the naivete It's like the person that has committed the

1116
01:00:55,533 --> 01:00:59,613
Speaker 2: crime against that person still, whether someone's naive or not,

1117
01:00:59,733 --> 01:01:02,813
Speaker 2: the blame still sits heavily with the person that has

1118
01:01:02,813 --> 01:01:03,493
Speaker 2: committed the crime.

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Speaker 5: Right, I agree, and I absolutely agree. But in this

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Speaker 5: and age, you walking yourself into a situation where there's

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Speaker 5: a party, there's booze, there's drugs, or there is an

1122
01:01:16,613 --> 01:01:19,653
Speaker 5: Internet and there is a site and those sorts of things,

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Speaker 5: unless you have been brought up in a world that

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01:01:23,893 --> 01:01:27,333
Speaker 5: does not exist to the fact that these things go on,

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Speaker 5: how do you think that it's okay for you to

1126
01:01:31,533 --> 01:01:34,453
Speaker 5: sit there and say poor me, m.

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01:01:36,213 --> 01:01:38,733
Speaker 2: And say what was what was the last thing you said? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: In my step mat I said sorry.

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Speaker 5: And it's all due respect to people out there that

1130
01:01:43,413 --> 01:01:46,213
Speaker 5: have been hurt, but it's how do you put yourself

1131
01:01:46,253 --> 01:01:49,213
Speaker 5: into a situation I looking at porn doing this, you know,

1132
01:01:49,293 --> 01:01:52,373
Speaker 5: going to a party, You're a young girl, beautiful. How

1133
01:01:52,413 --> 01:01:55,373
Speaker 5: do you then sit there and go pour me based

1134
01:01:55,413 --> 01:01:59,013
Speaker 5: on the fact of social media, the whole shooting box

1135
01:01:59,053 --> 01:02:01,493
Speaker 5: of life, that you can sit there and go pour me?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I guess, I mean, I think there's sort

1137
01:02:04,213 --> 01:02:08,853
Speaker 2: of a slightly different situation in that you know, in

1138
01:02:09,213 --> 01:02:14,973
Speaker 2: this particular case, there is no one else involved in

1139
01:02:15,013 --> 01:02:18,373
Speaker 2: the decision making. He has led himself into the situation

1140
01:02:18,493 --> 01:02:23,213
Speaker 2: and he's whatever, you know, addiction issues. He sucks seeks

1141
01:02:23,973 --> 01:02:26,173
Speaker 2: out what he what is he come across? If I

1142
01:02:26,173 --> 01:02:29,173
Speaker 2: can take it back to the point earlier, So with

1143
01:02:29,413 --> 01:02:32,813
Speaker 2: the with these sort of mitigations and the limiting things

1144
01:02:32,853 --> 01:02:37,453
Speaker 2: and the rehabilitation that's undertaken, how do in your experience,

1145
01:02:37,533 --> 01:02:42,493
Speaker 2: how do judges take into account that box ticking nature

1146
01:02:42,533 --> 01:02:45,973
Speaker 2: of it? How how how good are they spotting that

1147
01:02:46,053 --> 01:02:48,333
Speaker 2: people have just done that, that they've just gone and

1148
01:02:48,373 --> 01:02:51,933
Speaker 2: got and gone to the you know, the gone done

1149
01:02:51,973 --> 01:02:54,933
Speaker 2: the right courses and done the right things. And how

1150
01:02:54,933 --> 01:02:57,093
Speaker 2: do they spot that that that has been done because

1151
01:02:57,093 --> 01:03:01,653
Speaker 2: they genuinely want to rehabilitate, or that they are just

1152
01:03:01,733 --> 01:03:06,293
Speaker 2: looking for the sentencing discount. I mean, how how in

1153
01:03:06,333 --> 01:03:08,693
Speaker 2: your experience have you seen judges weighing that that part

1154
01:03:08,733 --> 01:03:08,973
Speaker 2: of it That.

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Speaker 5: It's a hard thing to say. Look, he shouldn't never

1156
01:03:16,933 --> 01:03:19,013
Speaker 5: have done it on a work computer. If you were

1157
01:03:19,093 --> 01:03:22,653
Speaker 5: doing something that was not right and you didn't want

1158
01:03:22,693 --> 01:03:26,053
Speaker 5: to get caught, why do it on the device that

1159
01:03:26,173 --> 01:03:30,253
Speaker 5: is going to be looked at the judges. Look, it

1160
01:03:30,413 --> 01:03:34,893
Speaker 5: all depends there are everybody can say when you're sitting

1161
01:03:34,933 --> 01:03:37,813
Speaker 5: in there in a court system, whether it's family, whether

1162
01:03:37,853 --> 01:03:40,333
Speaker 5: it's district, whether it's high whether it's a court of

1163
01:03:40,573 --> 01:03:44,173
Speaker 5: appel and guests, unless it's on paper, it's all about

1164
01:03:44,173 --> 01:03:45,853
Speaker 5: the judge on the day. And if the judge has

1165
01:03:45,893 --> 01:03:49,133
Speaker 5: sat there for five six hours listening to a whole

1166
01:03:49,173 --> 01:03:53,013
Speaker 5: lot of excuses about a person doing X, Y and Z,

1167
01:03:53,453 --> 01:03:58,373
Speaker 5: they get hired and so a decision then is made

1168
01:03:58,493 --> 01:04:01,773
Speaker 5: on as I've seen sometimes the fact that because they

1169
01:04:01,773 --> 01:04:02,733
Speaker 5: can't be bothered.

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Speaker 2: That's concerning.

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Speaker 3: It is concerning. Yeah, absolutely interesting call. Interesting call, Oh

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

1173
01:04:10,813 --> 01:04:14,133
Speaker 3: It is twenty four to three headlines with railing coming up.

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Speaker 2: Personally, I wouldn't be blaming the person that went into

1175
01:04:17,573 --> 01:04:21,973
Speaker 2: the bar in the area out of niot for what

1176
01:04:21,973 --> 01:04:23,773
Speaker 2: happens to them. I'll be blaming the people that did

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Speaker 2: it to them.

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Speaker 11: Use talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 11: no trouble with a blue bubble. Australia's Prime Minister has

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Speaker 11: announced changes to hate speech laws to counter anti Semitism

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Speaker 11: after Sunday's Bondai Beach terrorist attack. They include increase penalties

1182
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Speaker 11: and making it a factor in sentencing. Most parts of

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Speaker 11: out of sixteen industries. The Environmental Protection Authority is following

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raileen. So we're talking about the

1196
01:05:36,853 --> 01:05:41,453
Speaker 3: sentencing of Gevin mcskimming nine months home detention and he

1197
01:05:42,173 --> 01:05:45,573
Speaker 3: was given a raft of discounts that equaled up to

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01:05:45,653 --> 01:05:48,613
Speaker 3: fifty percents a discount for pleading not guilty and for

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Speaker 3: former good character, along with a few others.

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Speaker 2: The sexas says Matt you are an idiot. Fair enough,

1201
01:05:54,613 --> 01:05:56,533
Speaker 2: of course, young girls should know not to go into

1202
01:05:56,573 --> 01:05:59,413
Speaker 2: bars with drunk men dressed in provocative ways. What a

1203
01:05:59,453 --> 01:06:01,853
Speaker 2: silly thing for you to say. You are all about

1204
01:06:01,893 --> 01:06:05,133
Speaker 2: personal responsibility, You think that young people can put themselves

1205
01:06:05,133 --> 01:06:07,413
Speaker 2: in harms way without any risk. That's not what I

1206
01:06:07,493 --> 01:06:12,453
Speaker 2: said at all. I said that the person that commits

1207
01:06:12,453 --> 01:06:15,613
Speaker 2: the crime against the naive young person in a situation

1208
01:06:16,693 --> 01:06:22,813
Speaker 2: that's where they should be absolutely slammed by the justice system.

1209
01:06:22,893 --> 01:06:30,573
Speaker 2: That person should be Yeah, you know, it's it's it's

1210
01:06:30,613 --> 01:06:34,133
Speaker 2: an ancient argument that people used to have. And look,

1211
01:06:34,253 --> 01:06:36,373
Speaker 2: you've got to educate your kids the best you can.

1212
01:06:36,453 --> 01:06:38,373
Speaker 2: And but there are there are people out there that

1213
01:06:38,373 --> 01:06:41,053
Speaker 2: aren't educated. There are people out there that that that

1214
01:06:41,573 --> 01:06:44,573
Speaker 2: terrible things have happened in their life and they go

1215
01:06:44,653 --> 01:06:47,533
Speaker 2: out and there's this circle of bad things happened to them.

1216
01:06:47,573 --> 01:06:51,973
Speaker 2: There's naivety out there. But to say that there that

1217
01:06:51,973 --> 01:06:55,573
Speaker 2: that we should focus the blame on the person that

1218
01:06:56,333 --> 01:07:00,493
Speaker 2: is young and and goes into the dangerous situation does

1219
01:07:00,533 --> 01:07:04,333
Speaker 2: not sit with me. The blame is with the person

1220
01:07:04,333 --> 01:07:05,213
Speaker 2: that commits the crime.

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01:07:05,693 --> 01:07:07,573
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty clear cut, and it should be

1222
01:07:07,653 --> 01:07:10,293
Speaker 3: that that's what I've saying, yeah, one hundred and eighty

1223
01:07:10,333 --> 01:07:11,733
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call.

1224
01:07:11,653 --> 01:07:13,773
Speaker 2: The sex says Gosh. I can't believe the judgmental people

1225
01:07:13,813 --> 01:07:17,773
Speaker 2: voicing their position on this. This man had a medical addiction,

1226
01:07:19,053 --> 01:07:21,733
Speaker 2: just like Russell. Russell said, no worse than meth addiction,

1227
01:07:22,013 --> 01:07:25,213
Speaker 2: which should be treated like meth addiction, not criminalized. That's

1228
01:07:25,613 --> 01:07:31,413
Speaker 2: from jam. Yeah, but it's not. He's veered off the

1229
01:07:31,453 --> 01:07:36,133
Speaker 2: line of a pornography addiction into something much darker, and

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it's the same thing. I think.

1231
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Speaker 2: And look, there is definitely a discussion to be had

1232
01:07:42,173 --> 01:07:45,693
Speaker 2: around all pornography and the people that end up in

1233
01:07:45,773 --> 01:07:53,293
Speaker 2: the position of being actors in pornography, and you know

1234
01:07:53,853 --> 01:07:56,533
Speaker 2: their lives, and you know, they do studies and they

1235
01:07:56,653 --> 01:08:02,933
Speaker 2: find out a vast majority of adult entertainers have been

1236
01:08:02,973 --> 01:08:06,653
Speaker 2: abused in their life. So there's definitely a question around

1237
01:08:06,773 --> 01:08:12,093
Speaker 2: around that and whether any pornography is victimless. I mean,

1238
01:08:12,213 --> 01:08:14,533
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there's some of it is, but

1239
01:08:15,413 --> 01:08:17,093
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that people are looking at

1240
01:08:17,293 --> 01:08:20,372
Speaker 2: is not victimless. But I still think it's a different

1241
01:08:20,412 --> 01:08:24,412
Speaker 2: thing that doesn't lead from addiction from one to the other.

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01:08:24,572 --> 01:08:27,932
Speaker 3: That analogy of methanephetamine and drug addiction compared to that,

1243
01:08:28,053 --> 01:08:30,213
Speaker 3: I just think is not quite there. But what do

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Speaker 3: you say, Craig, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 14: Good.

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01:08:33,492 --> 01:08:36,932
Speaker 7: I think the sentences role of a lot on a

1247
01:08:36,933 --> 01:08:40,372
Speaker 7: lot of accounts. We can all be apologists and call

1248
01:08:40,452 --> 01:08:43,892
Speaker 7: an addiction. That this guy is different, and he's different.

1249
01:08:44,612 --> 01:08:50,253
Speaker 7: He knew the consequences more than anybody. He's probably stood

1250
01:08:50,293 --> 01:08:55,173
Speaker 7: in the dock and given evidence against people that do

1251
01:08:55,372 --> 01:08:59,612
Speaker 7: similar to what he's done and happily well in the

1252
01:08:59,853 --> 01:09:03,692
Speaker 7: full force of force of the law behind them. And

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01:09:04,133 --> 01:09:09,053
Speaker 7: he is not a non intelligent person, is very intelligence.

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01:09:09,492 --> 01:09:12,492
Speaker 7: He had a good income, he knew if he was

1255
01:09:12,612 --> 01:09:15,372
Speaker 7: ill or not, and if he's ill, he had the

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01:09:15,532 --> 01:09:19,173
Speaker 7: funds and the means to get help. Don't tell me

1257
01:09:19,293 --> 01:09:23,772
Speaker 7: he's remorseful after he gets caught. He knew what he

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01:09:23,812 --> 01:09:27,412
Speaker 7: was doing was wrong, and he knew he could afford

1259
01:09:27,452 --> 01:09:30,973
Speaker 7: to get help. And the fact that he's happy to

1260
01:09:30,973 --> 01:09:34,652
Speaker 7: throw the law at other people. He should be in prison.

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Speaker 7: And for the judge to say that he'd be at

1262
01:09:37,412 --> 01:09:40,692
Speaker 7: risk in prison, yes, in mainstream he would be. He

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01:09:40,732 --> 01:09:44,333
Speaker 7: would go straight into segregation. You can go into voluntary

1264
01:09:44,412 --> 01:09:50,052
Speaker 7: segregation with basically, it's like isolation. He needed to do prison,

1265
01:09:50,692 --> 01:09:54,972
Speaker 7: and I hope the prosecution would appeal the sentence.

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01:09:55,933 --> 01:09:58,572
Speaker 2: I don't know if the judge did explicitly say that

1267
01:09:58,652 --> 01:10:02,493
Speaker 2: the reason why he was getting home detention was because

1268
01:10:02,652 --> 01:10:05,133
Speaker 2: of the risk in prison. I don't know if that's

1269
01:10:05,973 --> 01:10:08,253
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that he said.

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01:10:09,053 --> 01:10:13,572
Speaker 7: His words were made, Matt. He would be because of

1271
01:10:13,612 --> 01:10:16,772
Speaker 7: his position be the high ranking police officer, he would

1272
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Speaker 7: be at risk of severe physical harm. Okay, sorry, that's

1273
01:10:20,652 --> 01:10:21,492
Speaker 7: not an excuse.

1274
01:10:21,812 --> 01:10:25,732
Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't seen that, but I'll look that up. Craig,

1275
01:10:25,812 --> 01:10:28,372
Speaker 2: So what do you think would be a just punishment

1276
01:10:28,652 --> 01:10:29,093
Speaker 2: for him?

1277
01:10:29,213 --> 01:10:29,253
Speaker 4: What?

1278
01:10:29,412 --> 01:10:29,452
Speaker 10: What?

1279
01:10:29,772 --> 01:10:29,932
Speaker 5: How?

1280
01:10:30,133 --> 01:10:32,013
Speaker 2: How long in prison if he if he gets a

1281
01:10:32,133 --> 01:10:34,213
Speaker 2: custodial sentence, if he got.

1282
01:10:34,053 --> 01:10:39,532
Speaker 7: One, if three years is the benchmark for it, he

1283
01:10:39,612 --> 01:10:43,293
Speaker 7: gets sentenced to three years, he's eligible for parole probably

1284
01:10:43,293 --> 01:10:49,253
Speaker 7: after a half. But to say that he's done rehabilitation,

1285
01:10:49,893 --> 01:10:54,212
Speaker 7: that is definitely ticking boxes. Every krim does that once.

1286
01:10:54,013 --> 01:10:54,853
Speaker 14: They're court.

1287
01:10:56,213 --> 01:11:03,173
Speaker 7: Rehabilitation. Come after you have time to one think about

1288
01:11:03,173 --> 01:11:06,293
Speaker 7: what you've done except what you've done and deal with it.

1289
01:11:06,652 --> 01:11:10,812
Speaker 7: You don't deal with it at the minute you've been caught boxes.

1290
01:11:11,412 --> 01:11:13,213
Speaker 3: I agree with you on. You know, we've got to

1291
01:11:13,293 --> 01:11:16,412
Speaker 3: be careful when addiction is used as a get out

1292
01:11:16,452 --> 01:11:20,572
Speaker 3: of jail free card because, as you say, even at it,

1293
01:11:20,812 --> 01:11:23,732
Speaker 3: addicts have decisions they can make, and there's a lot

1294
01:11:23,772 --> 01:11:26,372
Speaker 3: of addicts out there that would not verge into the

1295
01:11:26,452 --> 01:11:29,013
Speaker 3: areas that he verged into, and wouldn't verge into the

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Speaker 3: areas of crime. But on the the public profile side

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Speaker 3: of things, Craig and I think this is very valid

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Speaker 3: that he's his life is over pretty much right, it's

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Speaker 3: been shattered. Everybody knows who he is. He will probably

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Speaker 3: never get a job in this country. Again, Does that

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Speaker 3: not plan it into it for you? To me, that

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Speaker 3: is arguably a bigger punishment than serving time in prison.

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Speaker 7: No, I don't believe it does, because there's ways he

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Speaker 7: will be able to get around, and that around that

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Speaker 7: you're probably buying in a few years time, he's not

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Speaker 7: called the skimm in anymore, and he would change his

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Speaker 7: name by depol or something that there's there's ways around that.

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Speaker 7: He the fact that we in he should have been

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Speaker 7: made an example of because he thought he was intelligent

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Speaker 7: enough to get away with it, and to say that

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Speaker 7: he's remorseful and he's had all these counseling sessions leading

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Speaker 7: up to trial. I'm sorry, he knew what he was

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Speaker 7: doing was wrong. He's put enough people away in prison

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Speaker 7: probably for doing it.

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Speaker 3: Think if you call Craig Yeah, very interesting, Hi, Matt.

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Speaker 2: The people that perform on pornographic videos are more than

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Speaker 2: likely suffering from drug addictions. It's a vicious cycle. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know the stats do play that out.

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Speaker 2: You know, adult entertainers. Huge amount of the addicts and

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Speaker 2: a huge amount of the are victims of abuse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that.

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Speaker 2: Studies have shown that over and over again. It's a

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Speaker 2: risky thing. But yeah, this text says all addictions result

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Speaker 2: in abharrent behavior. Stop crucifying people boys. Okay, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't see.

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Speaker 3: I don't buy that.

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Speaker 2: I I don't think all addictions lead to a beharrent behavior.

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Speaker 3: No, that was the case.

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Speaker 2: I think you know, there's a lot of addictions that

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Speaker 2: lead to terrible, you know, treatment of yourself, but not

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Speaker 2: always other people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. What do you say? One hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty It is thirteen two three.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call, oh,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is ten

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Speaker 3: two three, Kathy, how are you, Curta.

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Speaker 18: I'm well, thank you. I hope you're both doing well

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Speaker 18: as well. I'm just trying that to say that I

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Speaker 18: feel quite disgusted.

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Speaker 6: With the term that he got.

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Speaker 18: This is someone who is meant to, you know, be

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Speaker 18: held up in our society. But apart from the damage

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Speaker 18: that he's caused to the police's reputation, every time he's

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Speaker 18: gone and clicked on watching some child pornography or bestiality,

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Speaker 18: he's given energy to the pupertenis to carry on doing more.

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Speaker 18: And but that alone, for taking advantage of the most

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Speaker 18: vulnerable ages in our society and you know, other countries,

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Speaker 18: et cetera. He deserves to be inside. It is disgraceful

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Speaker 18: that he's been given time at home.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: What sort of sentence would sit right with you, Cathy,

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01:14:37,853 --> 01:14:38,972
Speaker 3: in terms of prison time.

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Speaker 18: Well, I know that that you know the prison cham

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Speaker 18: started at three, I mean quite friendly. I don't know

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Speaker 18: that's enough. But if that was the case, that's.

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Speaker 14: What he should have gone inside for.

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Speaker 18: He shouldn't have got any discount.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's someone.

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Speaker 7: Who knows how to play the system.

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Speaker 18: He knew by taking up doing some form of rehab

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Speaker 18: that it would be looked on favorably by the court.

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Speaker 18: I mean, you know, he said he didn't choose to

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Speaker 18: do that before his court did he so nice ever,

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Speaker 18: that he had a problem. So you know to me

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Speaker 18: that there makes no difference whatsoever and the same or

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Speaker 18: fleading guilty. I mean, he would have been found guilty

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Speaker 18: regardless because the evidence was all there. But just because

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Speaker 18: he chose to plead guilty doesn't mean that it is

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Speaker 18: once again, he knew how to play the system.

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Speaker 3: But that's a difficult one, isn't it, Kathy, that the

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Speaker 3: pleading guilty might not have applied as as strongly in

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Speaker 3: this case as it does for other cases where it

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Speaker 3: can move through a bit faster and save victims the

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Speaker 3: heartbreak of a trial. Are you saying that it might

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Speaker 3: It needs to be case by case.

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Speaker 18: Oh, absolutely absolutely, case by case and background by background,

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01:15:50,253 --> 01:15:54,812
Speaker 18: et cetera. But this was someone who was there, who

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Speaker 18: was paid to protect vulnerable and he didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: Kathy, thank you very much for your phone call. I

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Speaker 3: got to take a quick break break very shortly. It

1382
01:16:03,652 --> 01:16:06,293
Speaker 3: is eight minutes to three, the issues that.

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Speaker 1: Affect you and a bit of fun along away Matt

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Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: News TALKSB. It is five to three. Couple of texts here,

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Speaker 3: this one from Marcus. I would be interested in how

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Speaker 3: many people do the rehabilitation courses for the purposes of

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01:16:24,053 --> 01:16:28,012
Speaker 3: a discounted sentence and then reoffend discount for a guilty

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01:16:28,053 --> 01:16:31,173
Speaker 3: plea nothink else matters. Jevin is sick, and yes he

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01:16:31,333 --> 01:16:34,053
Speaker 3: would be a big target in prison, but should he

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Speaker 3: be able to sit at home and essentially in the

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Speaker 3: community a person of immense trust in this position? No way.

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Speaker 3: And this one from David is a victim of sexual

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Speaker 3: abuse in state care. I have no issues with his sentence.

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Speaker 3: People are after blood where there is no needs.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been quite a discussion, hasn't it. And it's

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01:16:53,093 --> 01:16:55,973
Speaker 2: a complicated issue. And it's a complicated issue, and it

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01:16:56,013 --> 01:16:58,852
Speaker 2: seems to me that the discount system can be gained

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Speaker 2: by people in the know, and Skimming was definitely a

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Speaker 2: person in the know, wasn't he? And I also believe

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Speaker 2: addiction is a terrible thing, and that addiction to pornography

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Speaker 2: is a real thing. I just don't believe that there

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01:17:10,213 --> 01:17:16,532
Speaker 2: is a direct direct line from increased disensitation to adult pornography.

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01:17:16,772 --> 01:17:19,333
Speaker 2: I don't believe that that will lead in a direct

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01:17:19,412 --> 01:17:22,932
Speaker 2: line to viewing child abuse. I think it's a different thing.

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01:17:23,293 --> 01:17:26,932
Speaker 2: And look, I have sympathy for people viewing the stuff,

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01:17:28,412 --> 01:17:31,852
Speaker 2: but the adult stuff, But I have no sympathy for

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01:17:31,973 --> 01:17:36,612
Speaker 2: people viewing this child stuff because it feels an evil,

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01:17:36,732 --> 01:17:40,692
Speaker 2: evil marketplace that leads to more of this horror. And

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Speaker 2: while I know that judges have more information than the

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01:17:43,412 --> 01:17:45,892
Speaker 2: rest of us, and that they carefully consider their Senate saying,

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01:17:46,253 --> 01:17:48,372
Speaker 2: there is no doubt that the discount system will remain

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01:17:48,612 --> 01:17:52,212
Speaker 2: very controversial with cases that create the level of disgust

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01:17:52,293 --> 01:17:56,652
Speaker 2: that this one creates. Yeah, well, it's just I don't know,

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01:17:57,812 --> 01:17:59,772
Speaker 2: it's just so very gross.

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Speaker 3: It's certainly is new sport and weather coming up. Will

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Speaker 3: be back shortly.

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Speaker 1: Your new homes are instal and enter Teaming to talk.

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Speaker 1: It's Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the shoulders seven

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Speaker 3: pass three Now a little bit of a heads up.

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01:18:22,253 --> 01:18:24,692
Speaker 3: We've got a special treat for you in about twenty

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01:18:24,812 --> 01:18:26,013
Speaker 3: five minutes.

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Speaker 19: Pa rump a pump pumm the Christmas catch up Pa

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01:18:30,812 --> 01:18:34,972
Speaker 19: rump a bump bum with Kick as Kuei is pa

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01:18:35,173 --> 01:18:38,572
Speaker 19: rumper pump bum bump bum bum bum. On news Talk

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Speaker 19: said be with an.

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Speaker 3: Tyler every time.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Mate, I'm trying to I'm starting to turn against myself

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01:18:45,452 --> 01:18:48,452
Speaker 2: on that one. A bit of negative feedback on my

1432
01:18:48,532 --> 01:18:51,253
Speaker 2: singing on you know, if I have to hear that

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01:18:51,293 --> 01:18:53,932
Speaker 2: too minimal times, I might turn against myself and stuff.

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01:18:53,933 --> 01:18:57,213
Speaker 2: I might text nine two nine two Matt stop singing a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of production if it went into that, mate. But

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01:19:00,213 --> 01:19:03,652
Speaker 3: the Christmas catch up with the Kick as KII today

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01:19:03,933 --> 01:19:06,532
Speaker 3: is none other than Ryan Fox. What a great New

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01:19:06,612 --> 01:19:10,572
Speaker 3: Zealander is too, Yeah, ledgmen, So looking forward to that

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01:19:10,652 --> 01:19:12,612
Speaker 3: in about twenty five minutes. But in the meantime, let's

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01:19:12,652 --> 01:19:15,452
Speaker 3: have a chat about the values of boredom. So a

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01:19:15,492 --> 01:19:18,013
Speaker 3: great story that's been published today, and it looks at

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01:19:18,053 --> 01:19:21,052
Speaker 3: why we are or have become so uncomfortable with being bored,

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01:19:21,333 --> 01:19:24,052
Speaker 3: especially for kids. But it does argue that constantly filling

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01:19:24,213 --> 01:19:28,333
Speaker 3: every moment with activities or screens or noise can actually backfire.

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01:19:28,452 --> 01:19:31,452
Speaker 3: Experts now say that boredom gives the brain space to rest,

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01:19:31,933 --> 01:19:35,293
Speaker 3: reflect and spark creativity, and it's often the starting point

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01:19:35,333 --> 01:19:38,692
Speaker 3: for imagination and independent play when it comes to children.

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01:19:38,772 --> 01:19:41,452
Speaker 3: So with summer hot on our tail and those road

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01:19:41,532 --> 01:19:44,572
Speaker 3: trips and being at the campsites, is it okay for

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01:19:44,692 --> 01:19:45,612
Speaker 3: kids to be a bit bored?

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01:19:45,933 --> 01:19:46,133
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:19:46,213 --> 01:19:49,372
Speaker 2: Well, famously, Isaac Newton came up with calculus when he

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01:19:49,572 --> 01:19:53,333
Speaker 2: was bored stuck on his family retreat hiding from a

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01:19:53,692 --> 01:19:57,612
Speaker 2: plague in London. Jimmy Hendrix famously came up with his

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01:19:57,772 --> 01:20:03,732
Speaker 2: guitar you know, innovative guitar technique, you know, playing in

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01:20:03,772 --> 01:20:06,452
Speaker 2: the tax seder at the back of boring bands touring.

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Speaker 3: This is great.

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Speaker 2: So it has been the instigator for a lot of

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01:20:12,893 --> 01:20:16,892
Speaker 2: people to find something special. If you get bored enough,

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01:20:17,652 --> 01:20:21,253
Speaker 2: then your mind has to go somewhere to entertain itself.

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01:20:21,732 --> 01:20:25,372
Speaker 2: But nowadays people are never bored at all. People just

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01:20:25,732 --> 01:20:27,852
Speaker 2: have their phone in their pocket and can be fully

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01:20:28,053 --> 01:20:32,133
Speaker 2: entertained at any second. So if we do know, and

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01:20:32,253 --> 01:20:35,253
Speaker 2: we do accept and these studies backing it up over

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01:20:35,253 --> 01:20:38,772
Speaker 2: and over again, that boredom is good for children, are

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01:20:38,893 --> 01:20:41,572
Speaker 2: you willing to push it? Are you willing as a

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01:20:41,652 --> 01:20:43,452
Speaker 2: parent eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Or.

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Speaker 5: Do you.

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Speaker 2: Take your devices off your kids when you're driving? Would

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01:20:48,173 --> 01:20:50,532
Speaker 2: you when you go out a summer holiday it's a

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01:20:50,572 --> 01:20:52,732
Speaker 2: four and a half hour drive to the camping site,

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01:20:53,293 --> 01:20:58,412
Speaker 2: would you say, no watching movies, no iPads, no phones,

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01:20:58,612 --> 01:21:01,732
Speaker 2: Just steer out the window like God intended at the

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01:21:01,933 --> 01:21:05,972
Speaker 2: scenery and make your own games and lot kids will

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01:21:06,053 --> 01:21:09,052
Speaker 2: start punching each other for a bit, yep, the arguments

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01:21:09,253 --> 01:21:11,053
Speaker 2: and you will spin in a certain amount of that drive.

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01:21:11,973 --> 01:21:14,813
Speaker 2: If you're in the passenger seat turning around, going kids.

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01:21:15,213 --> 01:21:15,612
Speaker 17: Stop it.

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01:21:16,333 --> 01:21:19,052
Speaker 3: I'm going to turn this car around. No more holiday

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01:21:19,053 --> 01:21:20,213
Speaker 3: if you don't cut that out.

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01:21:20,973 --> 01:21:22,692
Speaker 2: But it is good for your kids. And for the

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01:21:22,732 --> 01:21:24,933
Speaker 2: longest time, this isn't just this isn't new because for

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01:21:24,973 --> 01:21:27,253
Speaker 2: the longest time, you know, when I was a kid,

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01:21:27,293 --> 01:21:29,973
Speaker 2: they were always talking about using the television as a babysitter,

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01:21:30,412 --> 01:21:33,333
Speaker 2: just plunking kids in front of the television so they

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01:21:33,333 --> 01:21:37,213
Speaker 2: would be quiet. But you know, so it was more

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01:21:37,253 --> 01:21:41,173
Speaker 2: boring when my parents were young than it is for

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01:21:41,253 --> 01:21:44,932
Speaker 2: me now when I was young, and it's way less

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01:21:44,933 --> 01:21:47,772
Speaker 2: boring now. But yeah, I think I think you know

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01:21:48,572 --> 01:21:51,372
Speaker 2: the idea of making a tree hat right, So I

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01:21:51,492 --> 01:21:55,093
Speaker 2: used to get so bored of watching There was such

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01:21:55,173 --> 01:21:56,852
Speaker 2: bad television when I was growing up, when there was

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01:21:56,893 --> 01:21:59,133
Speaker 2: only the three channels, only the two channels. At one

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01:21:59,173 --> 01:22:03,253
Speaker 2: point that I that would you get a mate from

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01:22:04,133 --> 01:22:07,812
Speaker 2: the nearby farmhouse and we'd build a tree hat, you.

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01:22:07,853 --> 01:22:09,852
Speaker 3: Know, and that was the good stuff. You're right, because

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01:22:09,853 --> 01:22:11,492
Speaker 3: you had to make your own fun. You got put

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01:22:11,492 --> 01:22:13,253
Speaker 3: it in that situation on mum and dad on board.

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01:22:13,333 --> 01:22:15,412
Speaker 3: Well sort it out, go and do something, and you

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01:22:15,532 --> 01:22:18,253
Speaker 3: had to figure out what to do. Get creative and

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01:22:18,532 --> 01:22:20,892
Speaker 3: go and catch up with a neighborhood kid. Grab the bikes,

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01:22:21,133 --> 01:22:23,293
Speaker 3: go down to the river, chuck stones at the bridge.

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01:22:23,732 --> 01:22:27,812
Speaker 2: Holidays should be boring such that you find something to do.

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01:22:28,013 --> 01:22:31,093
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a standby me situation when you go walking

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01:22:31,133 --> 01:22:34,213
Speaker 2: down the train tracks looking for a dead body. Who

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01:22:34,293 --> 01:22:39,732
Speaker 2: knows what it is but rop rob runner. But you

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01:22:39,812 --> 01:22:42,772
Speaker 2: know the problem is, and you know that we're talking

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01:22:42,812 --> 01:22:45,253
Speaker 2: about boredom studies, but there are also the studies of

1509
01:22:45,372 --> 01:22:48,692
Speaker 2: how much damage the TikTok is doing to kids' brains.

1510
01:22:49,213 --> 01:22:52,772
Speaker 2: So at one end you've got an highly entertained, silent

1511
01:22:52,893 --> 01:22:56,572
Speaker 2: kid who's flicking through TikTok and eraising their brain or

1512
01:22:56,612 --> 01:22:58,133
Speaker 2: you've got a board kid, that might be a bit

1513
01:22:58,133 --> 01:23:00,812
Speaker 2: of a pain in the ass, but the eventually the

1514
01:23:00,893 --> 01:23:04,372
Speaker 2: creative part of their brain kicks in and their brain

1515
01:23:04,452 --> 01:23:09,772
Speaker 2: starts to grow. So quiet, kid brain shrinking, annoying, kid

1516
01:23:10,372 --> 01:23:13,053
Speaker 2: brain growing. Yeah, it's up to you, I guess.

1517
01:23:13,213 --> 01:23:15,452
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. As a parent, are

1518
01:23:15,452 --> 01:23:17,452
Speaker 3: you willing to push through that pain period? If you

1519
01:23:17,532 --> 01:23:19,812
Speaker 3: are traveling this summer with the kids in the car,

1520
01:23:19,933 --> 01:23:22,173
Speaker 3: and if you go into the campgrounds or whatever you're doing,

1521
01:23:22,572 --> 01:23:25,213
Speaker 3: are you making an effort to take the devices away

1522
01:23:25,213 --> 01:23:26,772
Speaker 3: from the kids so they create their own fun O

1523
01:23:26,853 --> 01:23:28,372
Speaker 3: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1524
01:23:28,853 --> 01:23:31,253
Speaker 2: I've burned down my parents' garage because I got bored.

1525
01:23:31,293 --> 01:23:33,173
Speaker 2: I tried to dry out a massive wet patch with

1526
01:23:33,333 --> 01:23:36,293
Speaker 2: petrol because I was told not to put the hose

1527
01:23:36,333 --> 01:23:39,213
Speaker 2: through the window. I didn't listen and just about diet.

1528
01:23:39,933 --> 01:23:42,652
Speaker 2: But you were using your brain a little bit more

1529
01:23:42,692 --> 01:23:44,212
Speaker 2: than someone who would be on TikTok.

1530
01:23:44,293 --> 01:23:46,293
Speaker 3: You survived, and how fun would that have been? It

1531
01:23:46,572 --> 01:23:49,133
Speaker 3: is twelve past three taking your calls on eight hundred

1532
01:23:49,133 --> 01:23:49,732
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty.

1533
01:23:49,812 --> 01:23:51,732
Speaker 2: Thanks for your textmus on news Talk.

1534
01:23:51,853 --> 01:23:53,812
Speaker 3: Zi'd be it is a good to past three. We're

1535
01:23:53,812 --> 01:23:55,852
Speaker 3: talking about the value of boredom when it comes to

1536
01:23:55,933 --> 01:24:00,452
Speaker 3: your kids over summer. So many studies and experts are

1537
01:24:00,572 --> 01:24:03,172
Speaker 3: saying that boredom gives the brain space to rest, reflect

1538
01:24:03,253 --> 01:24:06,173
Speaker 3: and spark creativity. It's offen the starting point for imagination

1539
01:24:06,333 --> 01:24:09,173
Speaker 3: and independent play, and it is something that is missing

1540
01:24:09,213 --> 01:24:10,652
Speaker 3: in a lot of children's lives these days.

1541
01:24:10,812 --> 01:24:10,972
Speaker 4: Matt.

1542
01:24:11,013 --> 01:24:12,852
Speaker 2: I've seen the stuff that you and your high school

1543
01:24:12,853 --> 01:24:15,933
Speaker 2: friends made because you were bored. As you stated in

1544
01:24:16,013 --> 01:24:18,372
Speaker 2: a recent podcast Back of the Y, it was some

1545
01:24:18,572 --> 01:24:22,652
Speaker 2: super offensive stuff your board mind created an early two

1546
01:24:22,692 --> 01:24:26,892
Speaker 2: thousand's television monster great stuff. Bring it Back, says this text, bang.

1547
01:24:26,812 --> 01:24:29,093
Speaker 3: On point exactly. I mean, look we are now, mate,

1548
01:24:29,093 --> 01:24:31,052
Speaker 3: and look at what you've created because you were bored

1549
01:24:31,213 --> 01:24:34,093
Speaker 3: and you you wanted to create something kick ass and

1550
01:24:34,133 --> 01:24:35,973
Speaker 3: do something with your friends, and look at it out.

1551
01:24:36,173 --> 01:24:39,412
Speaker 2: We got so bored growing up in Dunedin that we

1552
01:24:39,492 --> 01:24:42,093
Speaker 2: started setting ourselves on fire and jumping off things and

1553
01:24:42,213 --> 01:24:46,572
Speaker 2: then filming at and then it became a TV show

1554
01:24:46,612 --> 01:24:48,532
Speaker 2: on TV two and started off my media career.

1555
01:24:48,732 --> 01:24:51,892
Speaker 3: Oh good. If that doesn't showcase their benefits of bored them,

1556
01:24:51,933 --> 01:24:52,532
Speaker 3: I don't know what else.

1557
01:24:52,572 --> 01:24:54,412
Speaker 2: Does you know we used to get so bored my

1558
01:24:54,532 --> 01:24:57,372
Speaker 2: friends and I and Daned and that we would rent

1559
01:24:57,452 --> 01:25:01,133
Speaker 2: movies vhs is from movie stores and then we'd re

1560
01:25:01,253 --> 01:25:04,213
Speaker 2: enact parts of the movies like Star Wars and such,

1561
01:25:04,293 --> 01:25:06,732
Speaker 2: and we'd build the sets out of cardboards and then cardboard,

1562
01:25:06,732 --> 01:25:10,452
Speaker 2: and then we'd you know, sell tape up the little

1563
01:25:10,572 --> 01:25:14,412
Speaker 2: tags on the VHS's and record a little, you know,

1564
01:25:14,572 --> 01:25:17,293
Speaker 2: fifteen second spot of us re enacting the scene we did,

1565
01:25:17,692 --> 01:25:21,772
Speaker 2: you know, the boldest scene from Indiana Jones, we did

1566
01:25:22,253 --> 01:25:25,213
Speaker 2: scenes from Star Wars. Would build the interior of little

1567
01:25:25,412 --> 01:25:29,133
Speaker 2: X wing fighters and stuff and just ruined videos for people.

1568
01:25:29,253 --> 01:25:30,892
Speaker 3: So you know, that is genius.

1569
01:25:31,053 --> 01:25:34,293
Speaker 2: It was definitely vandalism, but it was creative.

1570
01:25:33,933 --> 01:25:36,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, creative vandalism. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten

1571
01:25:36,053 --> 01:25:37,652
Speaker 3: eighty is that number? Mike?

1572
01:25:38,093 --> 01:25:39,372
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on boredom?

1573
01:25:40,532 --> 01:25:41,172
Speaker 17: Good afternoon?

1574
01:25:41,412 --> 01:25:42,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi guys.

1575
01:25:43,213 --> 01:25:47,133
Speaker 17: Well we probably all know from life experience that well,

1576
01:25:48,093 --> 01:25:52,452
Speaker 17: well I know anyway that boredom is a minor, very

1577
01:25:52,572 --> 01:25:57,253
Speaker 17: mild form of discomfort and suffering and it's definitely very

1578
01:25:57,333 --> 01:26:01,093
Speaker 17: low on the on the hurt scale in life. And

1579
01:26:03,093 --> 01:26:06,372
Speaker 17: because of that discomfort, yeah, it's a motive driving force

1580
01:26:06,452 --> 01:26:09,133
Speaker 17: that gets you up and going, pushes you to go

1581
01:26:09,253 --> 01:26:14,612
Speaker 17: and pursue creative endeavors. You you can't sit there being

1582
01:26:14,612 --> 01:26:17,093
Speaker 17: bored all day because you will get so sick of

1583
01:26:17,173 --> 01:26:20,173
Speaker 17: it you'll go and do something constructive. Yeah.

1584
01:26:20,333 --> 01:26:23,652
Speaker 2: As do you have kids, Mike, No, I don't.

1585
01:26:23,973 --> 01:26:25,172
Speaker 17: I've got niece and nephews.

1586
01:26:25,213 --> 01:26:25,852
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

1587
01:26:26,093 --> 01:26:28,492
Speaker 2: So, I mean I think what happens is as a parent,

1588
01:26:28,853 --> 01:26:31,812
Speaker 2: you maybe you're tired, or you just want to have

1589
01:26:31,893 --> 01:26:35,692
Speaker 2: your holiday, and so you take the easy option of

1590
01:26:36,692 --> 01:26:40,893
Speaker 2: handing because before the kids hit that creative part and

1591
01:26:41,093 --> 01:26:45,013
Speaker 2: do something, they first try and they absolutely punish you

1592
01:26:45,652 --> 01:26:49,093
Speaker 2: to do it. So it's it's a hard threshold to

1593
01:26:49,093 --> 01:26:50,932
Speaker 2: get over to just put up with your kids being

1594
01:26:51,013 --> 01:26:56,652
Speaker 2: bored until they actually do something something good. I think

1595
01:26:56,692 --> 01:26:59,572
Speaker 2: that's that's the problem, but it's probably good parenting if

1596
01:26:59,572 --> 01:27:02,052
Speaker 2: you'll out. So did your parents leave you to do stuff?

1597
01:27:02,093 --> 01:27:03,692
Speaker 2: Did your parents think that there was their job to

1598
01:27:03,853 --> 01:27:04,213
Speaker 2: entertain you?

1599
01:27:04,293 --> 01:27:06,173
Speaker 4: Mike No, No.

1600
01:27:06,293 --> 01:27:10,692
Speaker 17: We were the classic eighties cordrated care section, climbing the

1601
01:27:10,772 --> 01:27:15,492
Speaker 17: trees backyard, throwing stones, you know, trees, like you were saying,

1602
01:27:15,772 --> 01:27:18,052
Speaker 17: and you know, I'm riding the bikes around the neighborhood,

1603
01:27:18,532 --> 01:27:21,692
Speaker 17: exploring ye things the coast.

1604
01:27:21,812 --> 01:27:25,213
Speaker 4: You know, we just, yeah, we occupied.

1605
01:27:24,772 --> 01:27:30,412
Speaker 17: Ourselves climbing trees in an adventure adventurous way. But I know,

1606
01:27:30,652 --> 01:27:33,213
Speaker 17: I know, I like to classify myself as sort of

1607
01:27:33,213 --> 01:27:36,532
Speaker 17: an amateur psychologist. But there are two main motive forces

1608
01:27:36,812 --> 01:27:41,133
Speaker 17: in life for anything, humans especially and animals, and that's

1609
01:27:41,853 --> 01:27:44,732
Speaker 17: you run away from pain, and you run towards something

1610
01:27:44,812 --> 01:27:49,572
Speaker 17: pleasurable and something that makes you just gives you discomfort. Well,

1611
01:27:49,612 --> 01:27:52,333
Speaker 17: you're going to move away from it eventually because pain

1612
01:27:52,492 --> 01:27:56,333
Speaker 17: is a terrible, terrible, horrible, hideous thing, and pain tells

1613
01:27:56,372 --> 01:27:57,093
Speaker 17: you something is wrong.

1614
01:27:57,253 --> 01:27:57,933
Speaker 4: No, don't do it.

1615
01:27:58,133 --> 01:28:01,092
Speaker 17: Go and do something that's enjoyable, that makes you happy,

1616
01:28:01,213 --> 01:28:04,772
Speaker 17: and it makes you feel your life, like your life's worthwhile.

1617
01:28:05,133 --> 01:28:09,692
Speaker 17: But sorry, you carry on my Yeah, So in my mind,

1618
01:28:09,772 --> 01:28:12,652
Speaker 17: pape pains almost like your friend. Even though it's so horrible.

1619
01:28:13,013 --> 01:28:16,213
Speaker 17: It's a helper and it's it's a healer because if

1620
01:28:16,253 --> 01:28:18,972
Speaker 17: you sprain your ankle, it's so hideous that you won't

1621
01:28:19,173 --> 01:28:20,932
Speaker 17: use your ankle for a week and it will heal.

1622
01:28:21,532 --> 01:28:23,412
Speaker 17: And it's also a teacher. And if you've got groin

1623
01:28:23,732 --> 01:28:27,213
Speaker 17: mate sorry kidney zones, you wouldn't know they're there unless

1624
01:28:27,213 --> 01:28:28,893
Speaker 17: that they felt bad, So it teaches you go and

1625
01:28:28,933 --> 01:28:32,052
Speaker 17: get them fixed because it's so unbearable. So it actually

1626
01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:34,892
Speaker 17: helps you even though it's such a hideous, hidious, horrible thing.

1627
01:28:34,933 --> 01:28:38,652
Speaker 17: And like I said, bottom's right down on the at

1628
01:28:38,652 --> 01:28:41,612
Speaker 17: the bottom of the hurt scale. But still it'll it'll

1629
01:28:41,692 --> 01:28:45,173
Speaker 17: make you eventually move and get into something constructive that

1630
01:28:45,253 --> 01:28:48,293
Speaker 17: will add value to yours and other people's lives.

1631
01:28:48,333 --> 01:28:50,972
Speaker 2: I guess, well, that's a very good point you make, Mike,

1632
01:28:51,572 --> 01:28:54,013
Speaker 2: your kid being bored or you being bored. But you know,

1633
01:28:54,412 --> 01:28:57,973
Speaker 2: the study was about kids. It's not something that you

1634
01:28:58,013 --> 01:29:00,412
Speaker 2: should really really worry about with your kids, right, You

1635
01:29:00,452 --> 01:29:03,452
Speaker 2: should worry about them, you know, putting a four conto

1636
01:29:03,452 --> 01:29:06,852
Speaker 2: an electric stock at but them being bored is not

1637
01:29:07,013 --> 01:29:08,852
Speaker 2: something that you should spend a lot lot of time

1638
01:29:09,293 --> 01:29:12,372
Speaker 2: worrying about. And this I mean is I mean and

1639
01:29:12,492 --> 01:29:14,612
Speaker 2: I think to combat it, we need to bring back

1640
01:29:14,933 --> 01:29:17,173
Speaker 2: dad jokes, because if I ever said to my dad

1641
01:29:17,253 --> 01:29:20,772
Speaker 2: on board, you'd go, hi, board, I'm Dad, get outside,

1642
01:29:20,973 --> 01:29:23,052
Speaker 2: do something. Yeah, you know, there was there was zero

1643
01:29:24,133 --> 01:29:26,133
Speaker 2: There was you know, a gen exit, but there was

1644
01:29:26,173 --> 01:29:28,133
Speaker 2: a zero sympathy for whether I was bored or not.

1645
01:29:29,133 --> 01:29:29,372
Speaker 4: Zero.

1646
01:29:29,652 --> 01:29:32,492
Speaker 17: Yeah, and in the holidays, how about if your parents

1647
01:29:33,093 --> 01:29:35,253
Speaker 17: in the afternoon, so the kids here, here, here are

1648
01:29:35,253 --> 01:29:39,452
Speaker 17: the ingredients, prepare us dinner for tonight, and they can

1649
01:29:39,492 --> 01:29:41,892
Speaker 17: spend three hours making a mess in the kitchen.

1650
01:29:42,053 --> 01:29:45,532
Speaker 3: That'll that'll stop bording exactly. You're so right, though, if

1651
01:29:45,572 --> 01:29:48,972
Speaker 3: I said to Dad in particular, on board, Dad, I'm

1652
01:29:49,013 --> 01:29:50,492
Speaker 3: more likely to get a clip around the year than

1653
01:29:50,532 --> 01:29:53,133
Speaker 3: anything else. So we just knew that if we're bored,

1654
01:29:53,492 --> 01:29:55,452
Speaker 3: Dad is going to get angry if we say we're bored,

1655
01:29:55,452 --> 01:29:57,412
Speaker 3: because you'll say, not my problem. And we had to

1656
01:29:57,452 --> 01:29:58,492
Speaker 3: go and make our own fun.

1657
01:29:58,652 --> 01:30:00,852
Speaker 2: There was a whole lot of sayings that were developed

1658
01:30:00,853 --> 01:30:03,532
Speaker 2: around us, wasn't there. It was like, you know, you

1659
01:30:03,612 --> 01:30:05,972
Speaker 2: say you're bored and goes no such thing as bored.

1660
01:30:06,013 --> 01:30:07,012
Speaker 2: I'm just boring people.

1661
01:30:07,612 --> 01:30:09,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a or in mind. Oh, eight hundred eighty

1662
01:30:09,772 --> 01:30:12,253
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call keen to hear

1663
01:30:12,293 --> 01:30:14,692
Speaker 3: from you if you are making an effort this summer

1664
01:30:14,933 --> 01:30:18,013
Speaker 3: to take the devices away from the kids, And when

1665
01:30:18,053 --> 01:30:19,772
Speaker 3: it comes to your own boredom, are you making an

1666
01:30:19,772 --> 01:30:21,812
Speaker 3: effort on yourself as well? Nine two ninety two is

1667
01:30:21,853 --> 01:30:24,052
Speaker 3: the text I was so bored.

1668
01:30:23,893 --> 01:30:26,133
Speaker 2: As a teen and so poor as well. I taught

1669
01:30:26,133 --> 01:30:28,692
Speaker 2: myself how to fix broken PlayStations so I had something

1670
01:30:28,732 --> 01:30:31,572
Speaker 2: to do, got good at it and ended up being

1671
01:30:31,612 --> 01:30:34,852
Speaker 2: a side hustle buying and fixing and selling.

1672
01:30:34,973 --> 01:30:36,452
Speaker 3: How Good's twenty one past three?

1673
01:30:36,492 --> 01:30:43,812
Speaker 1: Back very shortly, madd Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh

1674
01:30:43,893 --> 01:30:46,372
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1675
01:30:46,732 --> 01:30:48,452
Speaker 3: It is twenty four past three. We're talking about the

1676
01:30:48,452 --> 01:30:50,253
Speaker 3: benefits of boredom. Maddie.

1677
01:30:50,293 --> 01:30:50,572
Speaker 7: How are you?

1678
01:30:51,612 --> 01:30:52,293
Speaker 20: I'm good, thank you?

1679
01:30:52,372 --> 01:30:54,572
Speaker 3: How are you very good? So you reckon you'll be

1680
01:30:54,612 --> 01:30:58,372
Speaker 3: taking the kid's devices away over summer, I.

1681
01:30:58,732 --> 01:31:01,932
Speaker 20: For part of the summer, Yes, for sure. I think

1682
01:31:02,652 --> 01:31:06,692
Speaker 20: the challenge taking the kid's devices away is dealing with

1683
01:31:06,853 --> 01:31:10,732
Speaker 20: the outbursts responses. But it's such a short period of

1684
01:31:10,812 --> 01:31:14,253
Speaker 20: time until you get your old kid back again. You know,

1685
01:31:14,333 --> 01:31:16,972
Speaker 20: the kid that does like climbing trees, and the kid

1686
01:31:17,412 --> 01:31:20,372
Speaker 20: likes making mud pies and what sort of stuff. And

1687
01:31:20,532 --> 01:31:24,333
Speaker 20: I think it's a discomfort that the parents can't stand that,

1688
01:31:24,452 --> 01:31:27,133
Speaker 20: you know, that short term pain of taking it away

1689
01:31:27,213 --> 01:31:29,093
Speaker 20: for the long term gain of getting your kid back,

1690
01:31:29,173 --> 01:31:30,692
Speaker 20: I think it's well worth it. So I will be

1691
01:31:30,772 --> 01:31:34,053
Speaker 20: taking it away. I try to keep some really good

1692
01:31:34,093 --> 01:31:37,333
Speaker 20: boundaries around devices. I do struggle at times. We've got

1693
01:31:37,372 --> 01:31:42,372
Speaker 20: three boys, and it just keeps them busy sometimes when

1694
01:31:42,412 --> 01:31:42,892
Speaker 20: I'm busy.

1695
01:31:44,732 --> 01:31:47,572
Speaker 2: Do you think that as a factor of two things

1696
01:31:47,612 --> 01:31:50,532
Speaker 2: for parents these days? A when you take your kids

1697
01:31:50,652 --> 01:31:53,053
Speaker 2: devices away, then you have to put up with them

1698
01:31:53,133 --> 01:31:56,253
Speaker 2: yelling and screaming and planning their board. And secondarily, the

1699
01:31:56,412 --> 01:32:00,132
Speaker 2: creative ideas that they come up with terrify modern parents, because,

1700
01:32:00,333 --> 01:32:03,612
Speaker 2: as you say, climbing trees, Like if I ever turned

1701
01:32:03,612 --> 01:32:07,013
Speaker 2: around when my son was five or six, I'd turn

1702
01:32:07,053 --> 01:32:09,532
Speaker 2: around for a second, then hear I'm yelling so far

1703
01:32:09,652 --> 01:32:11,812
Speaker 2: up the tree that his face would be a tiny dot,

1704
01:32:12,452 --> 01:32:14,893
Speaker 2: and I'm going, oh my god, how's he going to

1705
01:32:14,933 --> 01:32:15,213
Speaker 2: get down?

1706
01:32:15,572 --> 01:32:16,333
Speaker 3: Am I going to catch them?

1707
01:32:16,933 --> 01:32:21,532
Speaker 20: Absolutely no, I completely agree with you. But sorry, I'm

1708
01:32:21,572 --> 01:32:24,333
Speaker 20: just at work and I've just had my clients turn up,

1709
01:32:24,732 --> 01:32:26,532
Speaker 20: so I've got to be real quick. So I'm just

1710
01:32:26,612 --> 01:32:28,973
Speaker 20: thinking about you know some of the research. You know,

1711
01:32:29,133 --> 01:32:32,532
Speaker 20: the reward centers of the brain light up the same

1712
01:32:32,612 --> 01:32:35,532
Speaker 20: with devices as they do with drugs. So it just

1713
01:32:35,612 --> 01:32:38,053
Speaker 20: gives you an indication of how powerful.

1714
01:32:37,692 --> 01:32:38,412
Speaker 8: The addiction is.

1715
01:32:38,933 --> 01:32:42,492
Speaker 20: So true, and at nighttime and only you go to

1716
01:32:42,532 --> 01:32:44,612
Speaker 20: bed and you shut your eye as you process. Today,

1717
01:32:45,652 --> 01:32:49,572
Speaker 20: that's the time that you have quiet time just to reflect.

1718
01:32:49,732 --> 01:32:52,133
Speaker 20: But kids go to bed with their phone to the

1719
01:32:52,213 --> 01:32:54,772
Speaker 20: last minute, and that's how they fall asleep with their phones.

1720
01:32:56,173 --> 01:32:57,933
Speaker 20: And so we don't get a chance to process. And

1721
01:32:58,013 --> 01:32:59,933
Speaker 20: when we don't get a chance to be bored or

1722
01:32:59,973 --> 01:33:03,053
Speaker 20: be still or be quiet, we become really anxious and

1723
01:33:03,133 --> 01:33:05,412
Speaker 20: overwhelmed because we don't know how to manage some of

1724
01:33:05,452 --> 01:33:08,532
Speaker 20: those uncomfortable feelings because we've just lost the skills never

1725
01:33:08,652 --> 01:33:12,812
Speaker 20: had them. And also, you know, I've heard a lot

1726
01:33:12,893 --> 01:33:18,173
Speaker 20: of research information about employers employing older people now because

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01:33:18,253 --> 01:33:21,012
Speaker 20: young the younger generation just don't have the social skills

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01:33:21,492 --> 01:33:25,452
Speaker 20: to talk to customers or clients or interact.

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Speaker 3: Well speaking much time with their heads to their.

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Speaker 2: Speaking, which MADDI will let you get off your device

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Speaker 2: to go and deal with your customers.

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Speaker 3: Thank you sound important, Thank you very much.

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01:33:34,652 --> 01:33:37,013
Speaker 2: Hey, someone just texted through Ninja missions and that was

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01:33:37,053 --> 01:33:38,732
Speaker 2: a huge part of my child. I'll get bored and

1735
01:33:38,812 --> 01:33:42,572
Speaker 2: I'll spend all day organizing Ninja missions, which involved you know,

1736
01:33:43,173 --> 01:33:46,053
Speaker 2: getting thressed up and sneaking out at night and you know,

1737
01:33:46,492 --> 01:33:49,452
Speaker 2: sneaking around the neighborhood sneaking around the farm would map

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Speaker 2: them all out. Ninja missions, bring back ninja missions.

1739
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Speaker 3: I've never heard of that, but that's great, fantastic, right,

1740
01:33:54,053 --> 01:33:56,133
Speaker 3: what a great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone

1741
01:33:56,133 --> 01:33:59,372
Speaker 3: who called and text on that. But stand by because

1742
01:33:59,492 --> 01:34:02,932
Speaker 3: coming up next is the one and only Ryan Fox

1743
01:34:03,013 --> 01:34:05,572
Speaker 3: part of our Christmas catch ups with kick Ass Kiwi's

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01:34:05,612 --> 01:34:07,012
Speaker 3: it is twenty seven past three.

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Speaker 11: You talks be headlines with Blue Bubble taxis It's no

1746
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Speaker 11: trouble with a blue bubble. Searchers believe two climbers missing

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Speaker 11: on Auraki Mountcook were caught in a large ice avalanche,

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Speaker 11: and rescue attempts have been called off. Gloria Vale's private

1749
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Speaker 11: school has been instructed to close. Education officials say the

1750
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Speaker 11: school provided insufficient evidence to show it met criteria for

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Speaker 11: private school registration and didn't convince them it will become

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Speaker 11: compliant with time searches. Australia is making changes to its

1753
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Speaker 11: hate speech laws in response to Sunday's Bondai Beach mass

1754
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Speaker 11: terra attack during Harneka celebrations. It increases powers to target

1755
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Speaker 11: people and organizations promoting violence and allows hate factor into sentencing.

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Speaker 11: Mb is promising to crack down on unregistered motor vehicle

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Speaker 11: traders online and in person. One individual was recently fined

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Speaker 11: thirty thousand dollars after selling eighty eight vehicles while unregistered.

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Speaker 11: Auckland's ASB Classic Tennis tournaments will be future and water

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Speaker 11: proofed thanks to five million dollars being lobbed into installing

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Speaker 11: a roof simply Sybil the center there. Centennaiy is the

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Speaker 11: centenarian who passed a driver's license then surrendered it. You

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Speaker 11: can see the story at ends ind Herald Premium. I'm

1764
01:35:32,933 --> 01:35:34,532
Speaker 11: back to Mattieth and Tyler Adams.

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01:35:34,692 --> 01:35:40,133
Speaker 19: Bar Rupper Pump Boom the Christmas catchup bar Rumper Bump

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Speaker 19: bumpum bum boom on New Stalks head be with Vantyla

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Speaker 19: News Talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd b It has been a phenomenal year for Key

1770
01:35:52,853 --> 01:35:55,612
Speaker 3: we Go for Ryan Fox's twenty twenty five season included

1771
01:35:55,652 --> 01:35:59,293
Speaker 3: two PGA Too wins and againness whirheld record how Good.

1772
01:35:59,333 --> 01:36:02,172
Speaker 3: He also closed out the year winning the incredibly popular

1773
01:36:02,293 --> 01:36:05,572
Speaker 3: Chasing the Fox events. Ryan Fox joins us now as

1774
01:36:05,652 --> 01:36:08,532
Speaker 3: part of our Christmas catchup with Kick Ass Keyweed. These

1775
01:36:08,732 --> 01:36:10,732
Speaker 3: series get Hey Ryan, how are you doing?

1776
01:36:11,253 --> 01:36:12,572
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how you're doing? I'm good.

1777
01:36:13,213 --> 01:36:15,333
Speaker 2: There's an obvious answer to this question, or maybe not

1778
01:36:15,452 --> 01:36:18,932
Speaker 2: which one or which tournament or performance means the most

1779
01:36:18,973 --> 01:36:19,892
Speaker 2: of you and why?

1780
01:36:20,053 --> 01:36:20,213
Speaker 14: Right?

1781
01:36:22,452 --> 01:36:24,772
Speaker 4: I mean, I've got to say the Canadian Opens, you know,

1782
01:36:24,893 --> 01:36:28,732
Speaker 4: the first one at Myrtle Beach was obviously pretty special,

1783
01:36:28,893 --> 01:36:32,293
Speaker 4: being you know, my first PJA tool. But you know,

1784
01:36:33,412 --> 01:36:36,013
Speaker 4: I think the satisfaction of doing it twice, you know,

1785
01:36:36,133 --> 01:36:38,652
Speaker 4: feels like it's not not a fluke. And you know,

1786
01:36:38,732 --> 01:36:43,492
Speaker 4: the Canadian Open has such a a storied history. I

1787
01:36:43,532 --> 01:36:45,932
Speaker 4: think it's one of the oldest golf tournaments in the world.

1788
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:50,173
Speaker 4: There's some pretty awesome names on that trophy. So yeah,

1789
01:36:50,213 --> 01:36:53,532
Speaker 4: to join them and do it the way I did it, Yeah,

1790
01:36:53,572 --> 01:36:56,572
Speaker 4: that means that means a lot. The one on last

1791
01:36:56,652 --> 01:36:58,492
Speaker 4: rite out Jason the Fox is pretty cool to to

1792
01:36:58,532 --> 01:37:01,572
Speaker 4: be able to you know, obviously it's a different style

1793
01:37:01,612 --> 01:37:04,372
Speaker 4: of event, but you know, to do it at home,

1794
01:37:04,893 --> 01:37:06,772
Speaker 4: to play with Dan Hilios, one of my good mates,

1795
01:37:07,213 --> 01:37:08,933
Speaker 4: I feel like there was a little of pressure on

1796
01:37:09,093 --> 01:37:11,013
Speaker 4: us to actually get it done, and yet to get

1797
01:37:11,053 --> 01:37:13,093
Speaker 4: it done was was definitely satisfying too.

1798
01:37:13,572 --> 01:37:16,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, both those were stopped the

1799
01:37:16,612 --> 01:37:20,892
Speaker 2: nation moments, you know, and at work here every everyone

1800
01:37:21,853 --> 01:37:25,732
Speaker 2: was talking about it, and it's they literally stopped the nation.

1801
01:37:26,532 --> 01:37:29,253
Speaker 2: But going to Chasing the Fox, it must be satisfying

1802
01:37:29,333 --> 01:37:31,732
Speaker 2: to to win the trophy back off the show Pony

1803
01:37:31,973 --> 01:37:34,372
Speaker 2: media team, some of the some of the people in

1804
01:37:34,412 --> 01:37:34,772
Speaker 2: this country.

1805
01:37:34,812 --> 01:37:35,412
Speaker 3: It was big talk.

1806
01:37:36,253 --> 01:37:39,452
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've got to give them credit. I mean,

1807
01:37:39,853 --> 01:37:43,053
Speaker 4: they were great ambassadors for the event last year. You know,

1808
01:37:44,253 --> 01:37:47,972
Speaker 4: Mark Richardson just played out of his skin by all accounts,

1809
01:37:48,612 --> 01:37:52,933
Speaker 4: you know, was very impressive. And you know, Jerry and

1810
01:37:53,093 --> 01:37:54,533
Speaker 4: Gerry and Die with the cheerleaders.

1811
01:37:54,532 --> 01:37:57,852
Speaker 2: From what I was told, yes, but particularly I was

1812
01:37:57,853 --> 01:37:59,213
Speaker 2: watching some of the footage, I was wondering if it

1813
01:37:59,253 --> 01:37:59,892
Speaker 2: was his first game.

1814
01:37:59,973 --> 01:38:05,093
Speaker 4: But it's cool. It's a it's a format that works

1815
01:38:05,133 --> 01:38:07,333
Speaker 4: for that and it's great to see that they had

1816
01:38:07,372 --> 01:38:09,372
Speaker 4: a lot of fun doing it. Yeah, I mean they

1817
01:38:09,492 --> 01:38:11,452
Speaker 4: dined out on it for a long time too, which

1818
01:38:11,492 --> 01:38:11,852
Speaker 4: was great.

1819
01:38:12,133 --> 01:38:12,253
Speaker 7: Oh.

1820
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Speaker 2: I mean I've heard of virtually nothing else from Jeremy

1821
01:38:17,652 --> 01:38:19,572
Speaker 2: well since so you know, it's been good for his

1822
01:38:19,692 --> 01:38:22,612
Speaker 2: already inflated ego, so it's you know, it's deflated bit now.

1823
01:38:22,532 --> 01:38:25,852
Speaker 3: It's good phenomenal events. So what part of your game

1824
01:38:25,933 --> 01:38:29,053
Speaker 3: do you think you've worked on the hardest this year

1825
01:38:29,053 --> 01:38:29,452
Speaker 3: to improve?

1826
01:38:29,532 --> 01:38:33,732
Speaker 4: Right? To be honest, it was probably the fitness side

1827
01:38:33,772 --> 01:38:36,933
Speaker 4: of things. Last year I struggled with a bit of

1828
01:38:36,973 --> 01:38:40,173
Speaker 4: a hip injury, and it was a weird injury that

1829
01:38:40,333 --> 01:38:43,852
Speaker 4: it wasn't necessarily painful, but the body didn't move the

1830
01:38:43,973 --> 01:38:46,492
Speaker 4: way it normally did in the golf swing, and I

1831
01:38:46,612 --> 01:38:50,612
Speaker 4: really struggled to kind of be consistent with it. I

1832
01:38:50,692 --> 01:38:53,053
Speaker 4: worked really hard in the off season at the back

1833
01:38:53,133 --> 01:38:57,173
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four to get everything right with that hap.

1834
01:38:57,213 --> 01:38:59,133
Speaker 4: I had some treatment at a quarterzone injection and it

1835
01:38:59,213 --> 01:39:02,652
Speaker 4: did all the rehab and then tried to keep on

1836
01:39:02,853 --> 01:39:05,893
Speaker 4: top of that for most of as long as I

1837
01:39:05,933 --> 01:39:08,532
Speaker 4: could this year, And you know, I didn't have any

1838
01:39:08,572 --> 01:39:11,213
Speaker 4: issues with the hip, and then you know, we were

1839
01:39:11,253 --> 01:39:14,412
Speaker 4: based in the US as well, which made the travel

1840
01:39:14,412 --> 01:39:17,412
Speaker 4: a whole lot easier. Yeah, compared to twenty twenty four.

1841
01:39:17,532 --> 01:39:19,692
Speaker 4: So it was probably some of the off the golf

1842
01:39:19,732 --> 01:39:22,852
Speaker 4: course stuff that really made a difference. You know, I

1843
01:39:23,213 --> 01:39:27,692
Speaker 4: didn't feel like anything necessarily clicked in the golf game

1844
01:39:27,772 --> 01:39:30,812
Speaker 4: too much. It just being injury free kind of helped

1845
01:39:30,812 --> 01:39:32,812
Speaker 4: the golf swing, be a bit more consistent, that was all.

1846
01:39:33,652 --> 01:39:36,652
Speaker 2: You seem so calm in tournaments. You certainly don't piss

1847
01:39:36,652 --> 01:39:39,093
Speaker 2: around before you smoke it off the tea. Do you

1848
01:39:39,133 --> 01:39:41,493
Speaker 2: feel the pressure like other humans or is your superpowered

1849
01:39:41,532 --> 01:39:44,173
Speaker 2: dealing with with that pressure and just getting on with it.

1850
01:39:45,532 --> 01:39:45,572
Speaker 5: No.

1851
01:39:45,732 --> 01:39:47,372
Speaker 4: I mean, look, you always feel pressure.

1852
01:39:48,093 --> 01:39:48,253
Speaker 9: You know.

1853
01:39:48,572 --> 01:39:51,093
Speaker 4: If you didn't feel pressure and you weren't nervous about it,

1854
01:39:52,053 --> 01:39:53,612
Speaker 4: kind of, that would be time to quit. I think

1855
01:39:53,732 --> 01:39:58,372
Speaker 4: it means it doesn't mean anything. So yeah, it's I've

1856
01:39:58,372 --> 01:39:59,972
Speaker 4: been doing it for long enough now you know, I've

1857
01:40:00,013 --> 01:40:03,692
Speaker 4: got the got the strategies and you know, the routines

1858
01:40:03,772 --> 01:40:07,093
Speaker 4: and all of the mental skills to deal with it

1859
01:40:07,732 --> 01:40:09,933
Speaker 4: hopefully for the most and I still mess it up

1860
01:40:10,293 --> 01:40:14,972
Speaker 4: a decent amount too. But I also like it under pressure.

1861
01:40:16,213 --> 01:40:18,973
Speaker 4: I feel like it simplifies things a little bit. And

1862
01:40:19,053 --> 01:40:22,093
Speaker 4: I know that sounds strange, but you know, golf's the

1863
01:40:22,133 --> 01:40:24,932
Speaker 4: game where that ball doesn't move and you've got way

1864
01:40:24,933 --> 01:40:26,812
Speaker 4: too much time to think about it. Hence I tend

1865
01:40:26,853 --> 01:40:28,333
Speaker 4: to hit it quickly as well, so I try to

1866
01:40:28,372 --> 01:40:31,053
Speaker 4: give myself less time to think about it. But it's

1867
01:40:31,812 --> 01:40:35,492
Speaker 4: under pressure, it just like all the other stuff. Tends

1868
01:40:35,532 --> 01:40:37,692
Speaker 4: to go away and it just becomes Okay, I've got

1869
01:40:37,772 --> 01:40:40,253
Speaker 4: to hit the shot, this is my start line, this

1870
01:40:40,412 --> 01:40:43,253
Speaker 4: is my shape, and just it forces me to kind

1871
01:40:43,253 --> 01:40:46,812
Speaker 4: of commit to that. Whereas you know, sometimes if you're

1872
01:40:46,933 --> 01:40:49,732
Speaker 4: trying to make a cut or something like that, that's

1873
01:40:49,812 --> 01:40:51,972
Speaker 4: when you're struggling a little bit. All the bad thoughts

1874
01:40:52,053 --> 01:40:55,053
Speaker 4: come in and you're really you know, you think, oh,

1875
01:40:55,093 --> 01:40:56,492
Speaker 4: I don't want to do this, or I've got to

1876
01:40:56,532 --> 01:40:58,492
Speaker 4: swing it this way. And as soon as something something

1877
01:40:58,572 --> 01:41:02,732
Speaker 4: becomes conscious and sport, it becomes very very hard. And

1878
01:41:02,812 --> 01:41:06,492
Speaker 4: I think in golf you're always fighting that idea of

1879
01:41:07,293 --> 01:41:09,372
Speaker 4: how to react to it, target and how to make

1880
01:41:09,412 --> 01:41:12,492
Speaker 4: it kind of unconscious while you've got so much time

1881
01:41:12,853 --> 01:41:13,972
Speaker 4: to have conscious thoughts.

1882
01:41:15,173 --> 01:41:19,372
Speaker 2: Do you now you've achieved you know, this year particularly

1883
01:41:20,173 --> 01:41:23,772
Speaker 2: in a way that you know it's beyond anyone's ability

1884
01:41:23,853 --> 01:41:27,652
Speaker 2: to even fantasize about it. Really, is there any you know,

1885
01:41:27,772 --> 01:41:31,052
Speaker 2: is there anything more that you just really really strongly

1886
01:41:31,293 --> 01:41:32,253
Speaker 2: desire to achieve?

1887
01:41:34,293 --> 01:41:37,732
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's definitely a couple of things. I'd love obviously

1888
01:41:37,853 --> 01:41:41,333
Speaker 4: to win a major. You know, they're very very hard

1889
01:41:41,412 --> 01:41:45,612
Speaker 4: to win, and you know, there there would probably more

1890
01:41:45,652 --> 01:41:47,852
Speaker 4: be on the dream list than you know, what would

1891
01:41:47,893 --> 01:41:51,253
Speaker 4: feel like, you know, our very realistic goal to achieve.

1892
01:41:51,412 --> 01:41:54,572
Speaker 4: But I also feel like, you know, I know my

1893
01:41:54,612 --> 01:41:56,972
Speaker 4: game is good enough to compete at the highest level

1894
01:41:57,652 --> 01:42:01,692
Speaker 4: and hopefully, you know, one of those weeks where I

1895
01:42:01,812 --> 01:42:04,052
Speaker 4: play really well as in one of those big events.

1896
01:42:04,933 --> 01:42:07,093
Speaker 4: So you know, I think there's I always feel like

1897
01:42:07,093 --> 01:42:09,412
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of luck involved with that that

1898
01:42:09,812 --> 01:42:12,053
Speaker 4: sometimes it's really hard to pick what weeks you're going

1899
01:42:12,133 --> 01:42:14,372
Speaker 4: to play well and then hopefully you play well in

1900
01:42:14,412 --> 01:42:17,532
Speaker 4: a good week. And the other one that I really

1901
01:42:17,572 --> 01:42:21,293
Speaker 4: want for next year is that President's Cup team. I've

1902
01:42:21,333 --> 01:42:23,652
Speaker 4: missed out the last couple in twenty two and twenty four,

1903
01:42:23,772 --> 01:42:26,692
Speaker 4: and you know, felt pretty hard done by in twenty two.

1904
01:42:26,893 --> 01:42:31,532
Speaker 4: So yeah, We've got a President's Cup in Marion in

1905
01:42:31,652 --> 01:42:33,972
Speaker 4: Chicago in September, and I'd love to be a part

1906
01:42:34,013 --> 01:42:36,852
Speaker 4: of that international team, and you know, that feels like

1907
01:42:36,933 --> 01:42:39,652
Speaker 4: something I'm missing. And yeah, so all the work for

1908
01:42:40,532 --> 01:42:42,412
Speaker 4: next year is going to be going into trying to

1909
01:42:42,452 --> 01:42:43,692
Speaker 4: make that team later in the year.

1910
01:42:44,732 --> 01:42:48,013
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thing about golf, isn't it, Because you

1911
01:42:48,253 --> 01:42:53,772
Speaker 2: need that incredible round to hit at the incredible time,

1912
01:42:54,732 --> 01:42:58,893
Speaker 2: and is that something that you can control, or is

1913
01:42:58,973 --> 01:43:02,452
Speaker 2: it just you know, a body of work across a

1914
01:43:02,492 --> 01:43:05,532
Speaker 2: period of time and if it comes right on the

1915
01:43:05,612 --> 01:43:09,852
Speaker 2: right day and the biggest of spotlights, then then it happens.

1916
01:43:11,293 --> 01:43:15,732
Speaker 4: I think for most people it's the second one, you know.

1917
01:43:16,293 --> 01:43:18,612
Speaker 4: I think there has been guys over the years that

1918
01:43:18,732 --> 01:43:20,932
Speaker 4: have been able to kind of pull it out when

1919
01:43:21,333 --> 01:43:23,893
Speaker 4: they need it. You know, Tiger Woods is one. I

1920
01:43:23,933 --> 01:43:26,652
Speaker 4: feel like Scottischeff was pretty good at it. Rory mcleho

1921
01:43:26,692 --> 01:43:29,093
Speaker 4: has been pretty good at it over the years, Jack

1922
01:43:29,173 --> 01:43:32,692
Speaker 4: Nicholas and Arnold Palmer and those guys. But I would

1923
01:43:32,732 --> 01:43:36,372
Speaker 4: say for the majority of tour players, you know, you

1924
01:43:36,492 --> 01:43:40,013
Speaker 4: put in all the work. You know your game is

1925
01:43:40,053 --> 01:43:43,692
Speaker 4: good enough, but it's maybe not quite as consistent as

1926
01:43:43,732 --> 01:43:46,852
Speaker 4: some of you know, the absolute world class players, you know,

1927
01:43:46,933 --> 01:43:49,412
Speaker 4: the guys that are going to go down in history.

1928
01:43:50,013 --> 01:43:53,772
Speaker 4: But you know, you just kind of hope and trust

1929
01:43:53,933 --> 01:43:56,013
Speaker 4: that you know, your time to play well is going

1930
01:43:56,093 --> 01:43:58,772
Speaker 4: to come over a year, and if it comes during

1931
01:43:58,812 --> 01:44:00,812
Speaker 4: the right stretch of events, you have a really really

1932
01:44:00,853 --> 01:44:06,492
Speaker 4: good year. If it doesn't, well, you know, it maybe

1933
01:44:06,532 --> 01:44:08,852
Speaker 4: doesn't quite look as good on paper, but still kind

1934
01:44:08,853 --> 01:44:10,852
Speaker 4: of play the same level of golf and you know,

1935
01:44:10,933 --> 01:44:12,452
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like that's what happened to me

1936
01:44:12,572 --> 01:44:14,772
Speaker 4: this year. You know, my golf game's definitely good enough

1937
01:44:14,853 --> 01:44:16,852
Speaker 4: to compete with the best guys, as I said, and

1938
01:44:16,973 --> 01:44:18,852
Speaker 4: I just had a really really good patch at the

1939
01:44:18,933 --> 01:44:21,053
Speaker 4: right time in the middle of the year. And you know,

1940
01:44:21,093 --> 01:44:24,412
Speaker 4: I took advantage of a couple of chances to win,

1941
01:44:24,572 --> 01:44:26,612
Speaker 4: and I played well in a couple of majors and

1942
01:44:26,732 --> 01:44:29,652
Speaker 4: a couple of those signature events, and you know, all

1943
01:44:29,692 --> 01:44:32,572
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I probably has on pay for my

1944
01:44:32,692 --> 01:44:35,372
Speaker 4: best year and professional golf as a thirty eight year old.

1945
01:44:35,973 --> 01:44:36,173
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1946
01:44:36,333 --> 01:44:39,172
Speaker 3: Absolutely, just rolling back to the Canadian Open A lovely,

1947
01:44:39,253 --> 01:44:41,532
Speaker 3: beautiful moment when you've got the presentation, you know what

1948
01:44:41,612 --> 01:44:43,973
Speaker 3: I'm talking about here, but you give the presentations on

1949
01:44:44,133 --> 01:44:46,932
Speaker 3: going and your daughters are having a play in the bunker.

1950
01:44:47,293 --> 01:44:49,652
Speaker 3: A beautiful moment. I mean, one, it must be amazing

1951
01:44:49,692 --> 01:44:52,213
Speaker 3: to have your family there for those those moments, but

1952
01:44:52,293 --> 01:44:54,492
Speaker 3: also two, are you saving that video for their twenty.

1953
01:44:54,293 --> 01:44:59,173
Speaker 4: First Definitely saving the video. But it's kind of cool

1954
01:44:59,253 --> 01:45:02,173
Speaker 4: how it, you know, puts everything in perspective, right, Like,

1955
01:45:02,692 --> 01:45:04,652
Speaker 4: you know, I'm standing there, I've won the biggest event

1956
01:45:04,732 --> 01:45:09,333
Speaker 4: I've won in my life, and the girls don't really care.

1957
01:45:09,772 --> 01:45:13,852
Speaker 4: You know. They see they see the biggest stand I've

1958
01:45:13,933 --> 01:45:16,412
Speaker 4: ever had access and all they want to do is

1959
01:45:16,452 --> 01:45:19,973
Speaker 4: go and play. And it's so wholesome and brilliant and like,

1960
01:45:20,652 --> 01:45:23,772
Speaker 4: you know, from our point of view, it's amazing to

1961
01:45:23,893 --> 01:45:26,133
Speaker 4: have the family there. Like you know, the photos we

1962
01:45:26,213 --> 01:45:28,133
Speaker 4: got on the eighth Green with the trophy. I've been

1963
01:45:28,173 --> 01:45:29,692
Speaker 4: lucky enough to do that a couple of times with

1964
01:45:29,772 --> 01:45:32,412
Speaker 4: the family there, But you know, I'm going to remember

1965
01:45:32,492 --> 01:45:36,092
Speaker 4: all of that. But also, you know, with them traveling,

1966
01:45:36,133 --> 01:45:38,012
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if I play well or play badly.

1967
01:45:38,372 --> 01:45:40,133
Speaker 4: I'm still dad and they still love me and I

1968
01:45:40,173 --> 01:45:42,812
Speaker 4: still love them, and it's you know, it kind of

1969
01:45:43,692 --> 01:45:47,293
Speaker 4: it just makes it. It makes the travel hard, but

1970
01:45:47,372 --> 01:45:50,173
Speaker 4: it makes the dealing with the ups and downs of

1971
01:45:50,213 --> 01:45:51,652
Speaker 4: professional sport a little bit easier.

1972
01:45:51,732 --> 01:45:54,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautifully said Ryan. We're loving That's You're right to

1973
01:45:54,133 --> 01:45:55,772
Speaker 3: hang with us for a few more moments. We'll come

1974
01:45:55,853 --> 01:45:58,213
Speaker 3: back with some Christmas question problem at all. We are

1975
01:45:58,333 --> 01:46:01,732
Speaker 3: chatting to Ryan Fox as part of our Christmas catch

1976
01:46:01,772 --> 01:46:04,372
Speaker 3: ups with kick Ass Kiwi series. Say right here, you're

1977
01:46:04,372 --> 01:46:07,733
Speaker 3: listening to news storks ZB the issues that affect.

1978
01:46:07,492 --> 01:46:09,333
Speaker 14: You and have fun along the way.

1979
01:46:09,612 --> 01:46:12,412
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News.

1980
01:46:12,333 --> 01:46:15,732
Speaker 3: Talk zed B News Talk zed B, we are joined

1981
01:46:15,772 --> 01:46:18,933
Speaker 3: by New Zealand golfing legend Ryan Fox as part of

1982
01:46:18,973 --> 01:46:21,892
Speaker 3: our Christmas catch up with kick Ass Kiwee's Ryan. Thank

1983
01:46:21,933 --> 01:46:24,052
Speaker 3: you very much again for your time, No problem.

1984
01:46:24,133 --> 01:46:25,812
Speaker 4: I don't know how you keep saying that. To be honest,

1985
01:46:25,853 --> 01:46:28,652
Speaker 4: I'd missed that little tongue twister up a lot.

1986
01:46:29,133 --> 01:46:29,452
Speaker 10: That was.

1987
01:46:29,812 --> 01:46:32,213
Speaker 3: I practiced that a lot last night. Actually, mate, when

1988
01:46:32,532 --> 01:46:34,333
Speaker 3: when Meddy came up with it, I thought, Jesus, I'd

1989
01:46:34,372 --> 01:46:36,093
Speaker 3: better practice it before we chat with Ryan. I don't

1990
01:46:36,133 --> 01:46:36,892
Speaker 3: want to embarrass myself.

1991
01:46:36,973 --> 01:46:39,372
Speaker 2: I was pretty pleased. We've done two of these interviews

1992
01:46:39,372 --> 01:46:41,692
Speaker 2: before we came up with the name of the segment,

1993
01:46:42,133 --> 01:46:43,572
Speaker 2: so we're pleased to get it.

1994
01:46:44,372 --> 01:46:44,572
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1995
01:46:44,933 --> 01:46:47,852
Speaker 2: Three and three into the three into the series, a

1996
01:46:47,933 --> 01:46:49,932
Speaker 2: lot of us looking forward to playing a few rounds

1997
01:46:49,973 --> 01:46:52,053
Speaker 2: on the break. You know, golf is your job. Do

1998
01:46:52,093 --> 01:46:54,772
Speaker 2: you take a break from golf or is golf also

1999
01:46:55,173 --> 01:46:56,093
Speaker 2: a recreation for you?

2000
01:46:58,293 --> 01:47:01,372
Speaker 4: It's a little bit of both. Yeah. I like putting

2001
01:47:01,372 --> 01:47:04,852
Speaker 4: the sticks down definitely, But you know, I've still had

2002
01:47:04,893 --> 01:47:07,572
Speaker 4: a lot of mates that I played golf with it's

2003
01:47:07,612 --> 01:47:10,092
Speaker 4: getting close to thirty years now, which is quite scary,

2004
01:47:11,093 --> 01:47:14,213
Speaker 4: and like you know, it's social golf. I love that.

2005
01:47:14,372 --> 01:47:16,213
Speaker 4: I love going out and talking crap with them and

2006
01:47:17,133 --> 01:47:19,133
Speaker 4: you know, trying to take trying to take a bear

2007
01:47:19,213 --> 01:47:21,572
Speaker 4: off them at the end. And you know, the great

2008
01:47:21,612 --> 01:47:24,053
Speaker 4: thing about golf too is the handicapped system. You know,

2009
01:47:24,853 --> 01:47:27,652
Speaker 4: as long as the handicaps are accurate, which for the

2010
01:47:27,732 --> 01:47:30,452
Speaker 4: most part, everyone's hands and all their cards and does

2011
01:47:30,532 --> 01:47:32,852
Speaker 4: the right thing. And as the handicaps are accurate, you

2012
01:47:32,853 --> 01:47:34,652
Speaker 4: can have a you can have a match against anyone

2013
01:47:35,293 --> 01:47:37,412
Speaker 4: and that's cool. So I still love doing that with

2014
01:47:37,532 --> 01:47:39,932
Speaker 4: my mates, and I'll do that a little bit over Christmas,

2015
01:47:40,013 --> 01:47:42,692
Speaker 4: but I'll certainly put the clubs down for you know,

2016
01:47:42,812 --> 01:47:45,173
Speaker 4: a week or so and try to get the boat

2017
01:47:45,253 --> 01:47:48,052
Speaker 4: fired up and use a different type of graphite shaft

2018
01:47:48,093 --> 01:47:50,013
Speaker 4: to do something well. You know.

2019
01:47:50,133 --> 01:47:51,893
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons why you're so

2020
01:47:52,532 --> 01:47:56,732
Speaker 2: loved in New Zealand, particularly in globally, is that that

2021
01:47:57,053 --> 01:47:59,572
Speaker 2: mate side of it is such a big part of it,

2022
01:47:59,652 --> 01:48:01,732
Speaker 2: and for most of us that's all of what golf is.

2023
01:48:01,853 --> 01:48:03,852
Speaker 2: So see someone on the level you are that also

2024
01:48:04,492 --> 01:48:08,452
Speaker 2: appreciates times with mates and appreciates the times after the

2025
01:48:08,532 --> 01:48:11,532
Speaker 2: games with mates and families is a huge thing. And

2026
01:48:11,973 --> 01:48:16,052
Speaker 2: speaking of what's what's on the menu at the Foxes

2027
01:48:16,093 --> 01:48:16,612
Speaker 2: for Christmas?

2028
01:48:18,133 --> 01:48:20,412
Speaker 4: We're hosting this year, which is pretty cool. We've got

2029
01:48:20,452 --> 01:48:22,612
Speaker 4: both sides of the family coming, my WI side of

2030
01:48:22,692 --> 01:48:25,732
Speaker 4: my side, which is which is nice. And I'm on

2031
01:48:25,812 --> 01:48:28,372
Speaker 4: the tools on the barbecue. So we've got a Christmas

2032
01:48:28,452 --> 01:48:33,732
Speaker 4: hand and a big piece of steak. Nice And the

2033
01:48:33,973 --> 01:48:36,492
Speaker 4: greatest thing about that is it's actually one from a

2034
01:48:36,532 --> 01:48:38,572
Speaker 4: meat pack of a made of mine who is one

2035
01:48:38,612 --> 01:48:40,732
Speaker 4: of the Halibi's. He made a silly bet with me

2036
01:48:40,893 --> 01:48:43,852
Speaker 4: if I if I won a PJ Tour event here

2037
01:48:43,853 --> 01:48:46,692
Speaker 4: to provide me a meat pack. So yeah, I'm definitely

2038
01:48:46,772 --> 01:48:48,333
Speaker 4: definitely claiming that often this year.

2039
01:48:48,452 --> 01:48:51,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to taste particularly sweet. Hey, real tree

2040
01:48:51,532 --> 01:48:52,093
Speaker 3: or fake tree?

2041
01:48:52,173 --> 01:48:56,692
Speaker 4: Right this year with faith unfortunately, but we have done

2042
01:48:56,732 --> 01:48:58,012
Speaker 4: the real tree the last few years.

2043
01:48:58,692 --> 01:48:58,972
Speaker 3: Nice.

2044
01:48:59,133 --> 01:49:03,053
Speaker 2: Well, this is probably a reasonly annoying and difficult question

2045
01:49:03,253 --> 01:49:06,932
Speaker 2: to answer across the lifetime, but what's the best present

2046
01:49:07,053 --> 01:49:08,333
Speaker 2: you ever received for Christmas?

2047
01:49:11,412 --> 01:49:14,852
Speaker 4: I don't know. I've got to say our firstborn daughter

2048
01:49:15,053 --> 01:49:19,213
Speaker 4: was about a week before Christmas, so having her her

2049
01:49:19,253 --> 01:49:22,492
Speaker 4: first Christmas in twenty twenty. That was probably probably the

2050
01:49:22,532 --> 01:49:25,213
Speaker 4: best present. And you know, I think Christmas just gets

2051
01:49:25,213 --> 01:49:26,932
Speaker 4: a bit cooler when you can share it with the kids.

2052
01:49:26,933 --> 01:49:29,213
Speaker 4: You know what it means so much for them. So yeah,

2053
01:49:29,213 --> 01:49:32,852
Speaker 4: i'd definitely say having the kids around for it's been amazing.

2054
01:49:33,013 --> 01:49:35,812
Speaker 3: That is a great answer. And what are you grateful for?

2055
01:49:35,973 --> 01:49:37,213
Speaker 3: Most grateful for this year?

2056
01:49:39,732 --> 01:49:44,932
Speaker 4: Just I think selfishly having some certainty going forward. I'm

2057
01:49:44,973 --> 01:49:47,492
Speaker 4: a PGA tour having job security, which we don't get

2058
01:49:47,532 --> 01:49:50,372
Speaker 4: that in golf very often, so I'm very thankful for that.

2059
01:49:50,572 --> 01:49:53,492
Speaker 4: And you have some security around family and what we're

2060
01:49:53,492 --> 01:49:56,933
Speaker 4: going to do. But I think the biggest thing is

2061
01:49:56,973 --> 01:49:58,852
Speaker 4: actually just being able to have the family around. As

2062
01:49:58,853 --> 01:50:01,133
Speaker 4: I said, we're hosting everyone for the first time in

2063
01:50:01,133 --> 01:50:04,133
Speaker 4: a little while, so yeah, it'll be very cool to

2064
01:50:04,213 --> 01:50:07,932
Speaker 4: have everyone at our place and they're just chilling out

2065
01:50:07,973 --> 01:50:10,613
Speaker 4: and and a few wines and then some good food hopefully.

2066
01:50:11,253 --> 01:50:15,172
Speaker 2: And finally, potentially the most punishing question of our Christmas

2067
01:50:15,213 --> 01:50:18,492
Speaker 2: catch ups with kick Ass Kiwi's Nice Nailed It, Thank

2068
01:50:18,572 --> 01:50:22,732
Speaker 2: You as your favorite Christmas song of all time?

2069
01:50:22,853 --> 01:50:25,812
Speaker 4: Ryan, I'm going to apologize for anyone that has to

2070
01:50:25,853 --> 01:50:27,852
Speaker 4: listen to us in advance. But my favorite as a

2071
01:50:27,933 --> 01:50:29,213
Speaker 4: kid was Snoopy's Christmas.

2072
01:50:29,412 --> 01:50:32,972
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great classic, absolute classic, and I hate.

2073
01:50:32,812 --> 01:50:34,933
Speaker 2: That that sort of drop that used to be compulsory

2074
01:50:35,053 --> 01:50:37,253
Speaker 2: to be played on radio when I was growing up,

2075
01:50:37,692 --> 01:50:39,932
Speaker 2: and it's dropped off a little bit. So I actually

2076
01:50:40,053 --> 01:50:44,492
Speaker 2: applaud you for bringing that back. Great story, Raw guardsman.

2077
01:50:44,532 --> 01:50:47,612
Speaker 3: Yeah love it. Ry very Christmas, my friend. We're going

2078
01:50:47,652 --> 01:50:49,532
Speaker 3: to play that song for you now. But mate, have

2079
01:50:49,612 --> 01:50:52,253
Speaker 3: a very merry Christmas and a great breakover summer, and

2080
01:50:52,532 --> 01:50:54,253
Speaker 3: hopefully we'll catch up in twenty twenty six.

2081
01:50:54,452 --> 01:50:57,293
Speaker 4: Yes, guys, have a good one, no problem at all. Yea, yeah,

2082
01:50:57,612 --> 01:51:00,093
Speaker 4: this number works all year around. Apologies again for having

2083
01:51:00,133 --> 01:51:01,532
Speaker 4: to play Snoopy' Christmas.

2084
01:51:01,772 --> 01:51:04,692
Speaker 3: Well allow it. That is Ryan Fox as part of

2085
01:51:04,732 --> 01:51:08,612
Speaker 3: our Christmas ketch up with kick Ass Kiwi series see

2086
01:51:08,612 --> 01:51:10,092
Speaker 3: the new Stooks. He'd be Bakery.

2087
01:51:10,173 --> 01:51:32,732
Speaker 13: Shortly the news had come out in the First World War,

2088
01:51:33,412 --> 01:51:36,532
Speaker 13: the Bloody Rasp baron spying once more.

2089
01:51:37,133 --> 01:51:39,492
Speaker 7: The Allied command ignored.

2090
01:51:39,253 --> 01:51:42,813
Speaker 11: All of his men and calling on Snoopy.

2091
01:51:42,732 --> 01:51:43,892
Speaker 3: To do it again.

2092
01:51:44,532 --> 01:51:46,092
Speaker 2: Was the night for Christmas.

2093
01:51:46,532 --> 01:51:50,893
Speaker 21: Record him below for Snoopy went up in search of

2094
01:51:51,013 --> 01:51:51,572
Speaker 21: his boat.

2095
01:51:52,333 --> 01:51:53,052
Speaker 19: Spy the trap.

2096
01:51:53,133 --> 01:51:57,852
Speaker 22: Barn seriously then bought with ice on his wings, Snoop

2097
01:51:57,933 --> 01:51:58,452
Speaker 22: into it.

2098
01:51:58,652 --> 01:51:58,892
Speaker 10: Was f.

2099
01:52:01,893 --> 01:52:06,532
Speaker 23: Trasmis smells Christmas bank up.

2100
01:52:09,652 --> 01:52:11,093
Speaker 2: Asking the so.

2101
01:52:13,452 --> 01:52:13,973
Speaker 4: And the.

2102
01:52:19,053 --> 01:52:23,372
Speaker 21: Baron had Snoopy dead in his sights. He reached all

2103
01:52:23,452 --> 01:52:28,173
Speaker 21: the trigger to pull it up tight. Why he didn't shoot, well,

2104
01:52:28,572 --> 01:52:32,173
Speaker 21: we'll never know. Or was it the bells from the

2105
01:52:32,412 --> 01:52:33,213
Speaker 21: village below.

2106
01:52:37,293 --> 01:52:41,572
Speaker 23: Christmas bell goes, Christmas bells ring.

2107
01:52:42,013 --> 01:52:43,452
Speaker 2: From the lad.

2108
01:52:44,893 --> 01:52:46,572
Speaker 23: Bring peace through.

2109
01:52:46,572 --> 01:52:50,732
Speaker 19: The wall of the world and go to the.

2110
01:52:54,372 --> 01:52:58,692
Speaker 21: Baron made Snoopy flight of the riot and forced him

2111
01:52:58,732 --> 01:53:00,293
Speaker 21: to laugh behind.

2112
01:52:59,933 --> 01:53:01,293
Speaker 19: The enemy lives.

2113
01:53:01,933 --> 01:53:05,612
Speaker 22: Snoopy was certain that this was the end when the

2114
01:53:05,772 --> 01:53:16,892
Speaker 22: baron cried out, Merry Christmas, my friend. The baron then

2115
01:53:17,013 --> 01:53:22,333
Speaker 22: offered a holiday toast and Stoop be our hero. Sozuted

2116
01:53:22,492 --> 01:53:26,532
Speaker 22: his host, and then with the roar them put on their.

2117
01:53:26,492 --> 01:53:28,612
Speaker 2: Way, which no one they'd.

2118
01:53:28,612 --> 01:53:30,612
Speaker 19: Meet on some other days.

2119
01:53:33,333 --> 01:53:43,893
Speaker 23: Trassmastbell, space, those bells, breast.

2120
01:53:44,853 --> 01:54:07,652
Speaker 24: And grass spasso, the big stories, the big issues, the

2121
01:54:07,772 --> 01:54:09,972
Speaker 24: big trail, and everything in between.

2122
01:54:10,213 --> 01:54:13,173
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

2123
01:54:13,173 --> 01:54:13,452
Speaker 4: It'd be.

2124
01:54:14,973 --> 01:54:17,932
Speaker 3: It is five to four top man that Ryan Fox,

2125
01:54:18,093 --> 01:54:18,333
Speaker 3: isn't he?

2126
01:54:18,452 --> 01:54:21,053
Speaker 2: He certainly is great New Zealander. Hey, thank you so

2127
01:54:21,213 --> 01:54:23,452
Speaker 2: much for listening to everyone. As always, we've loved all

2128
01:54:23,492 --> 01:54:25,333
Speaker 2: your calls on e one hundred and eighty ten eighty

2129
01:54:25,412 --> 01:54:27,932
Speaker 2: and your text on nine two nine two. It's been

2130
01:54:28,013 --> 01:54:31,333
Speaker 2: a fantastic old time. The podcast will be up in

2131
01:54:31,372 --> 01:54:34,333
Speaker 2: about an hour if you missed anything. The impressive bearded

2132
01:54:34,413 --> 01:54:36,973
Speaker 2: legend that is Ryan Bridge is in for Heather Doup

2133
01:54:36,973 --> 01:54:39,373
Speaker 2: plus the Allen on Drive next. But right now, Tyler,

2134
01:54:40,053 --> 01:54:42,373
Speaker 2: my very good friend, why would I be playing this

2135
01:54:42,533 --> 01:54:43,653
Speaker 2: song by the Pitch Up Boys.

2136
01:54:43,933 --> 01:54:47,373
Speaker 3: Oh, it's just called bean boring. That's the title of

2137
01:54:47,453 --> 01:54:50,213
Speaker 3: this beautiful song. Because we had such a fantastic chat

2138
01:54:50,253 --> 01:54:52,852
Speaker 3: about the benefits of a bit of boredom in your

2139
01:54:52,893 --> 01:54:54,613
Speaker 3: kid's life. So the whole lot of things.

2140
01:54:54,853 --> 01:54:58,613
Speaker 2: That's a hundred percent correct. Yeah, bore the crap out

2141
01:54:58,653 --> 01:55:00,373
Speaker 2: of your kids. It's good for them if they come

2142
01:55:00,453 --> 01:55:02,253
Speaker 2: up to you and tell you that, They come up

2143
01:55:02,293 --> 01:55:06,293
Speaker 2: over the break and say I bored Dad. The correct sponsors.

2144
01:55:07,173 --> 01:55:11,653
Speaker 2: That's nice boy, that's a nice board on dad's You say,

2145
01:55:11,812 --> 01:55:15,772
Speaker 2: shut up, go outside and play your whiny little muppet

2146
01:55:17,133 --> 01:55:20,693
Speaker 2: A correct response. Anyway. You seem busy, everyone, so we'll

2147
01:55:20,772 --> 01:55:23,573
Speaker 2: let you go. Merry Christmas until tomorrow afternoon. Give them

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Speaker 19: Because we won be him.

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Speaker 2: It's it a different today, Friends and rooms Matt and Tyler.

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