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Speaker 2: Hell are you great, New Zealanders? And welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Mett and Tyler Afternoons podcast for Monday, the second of December.

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Speaker 2: Like and subscribe. I guess what do you do? Set

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Speaker 2: to download? Great chat today went on a lot about

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Speaker 2: Orcus and when we want to be closer to the

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Speaker 2: United States of America. And then we had a really

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Speaker 2: really good chat about Tyler's irrational fear of power sockets

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Speaker 2: and Lithian betricks.

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Speaker 3: And you conceded that the big Lithian betteries Yip. I

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Speaker 3: probably got a point, but switching off the TV and

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Speaker 2: Fi nah nah, Well, anyway, enjoyed the pod. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a It was a good discussion today. I really

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Speaker 2: enjoyed it. And give the taste of Kiwi your.

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Speaker 1: New home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matt Heath

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Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams Afternoons on News Talk SEDB.

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Speaker 3: Good Afternoons. You welcome into the show. On the countdown

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Speaker 3: is on to Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Get a Maddie, Yeah a, Tyler, get a everyone year.

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Speaker 2: I've got my Christmas tree. I've put it on Friday,

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Speaker 2: hafted in the car, left it there all day when

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Speaker 2: I was at work. It dropped resin everywhere because it's

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Speaker 2: a real one. But it smells pine fresh. And for

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Speaker 2: all the annoyance of the needles going everywhere, and all

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Speaker 2: the annoyance of the smell and the disposal of the tree,

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Speaker 2: you know, while the smell in my car the resin everywhere.

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Speaker 3: I still stand by a real Christmas tree pine fresh. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that's what we're going to chat about after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Real versus fake. Clearly met your massive on the real tree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think a lot of it's to do

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Speaker 2: with how you were brought up. Because people that are

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Speaker 2: brought up with a fake tree, that's what they want,

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Speaker 2: that's Christmas to them. If you're brought up with a

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Speaker 2: real tree, it just doesn't feel like it's there yet.

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Speaker 2: And you can sprail the pino Fresh around the house

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Speaker 2: you want, it's never gonna smell quite the same as

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Speaker 2: a Christmas tree, and smell is very Nostalgia invokes nostalgia

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Speaker 2: more powerfully than nearly anything.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about people going on to let's

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Speaker 3: call it dot planned and cutting down wolding pines for

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Speaker 3: their Christmas tree.

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Speaker 2: Go for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I mean it's big in the South Islands,

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Speaker 3: they love cutting down those wolding pines.

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I used to work for

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Speaker 2: one of my jobs each year was to cut down

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Speaker 2: all the trees, the Christmas trees, and there are certain size.

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Speaker 3: It's a quite a great job.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I enjoyed it, but there was a sort of

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Speaker 2: a the sure apocalyptic nature of how many trees i'd

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Speaker 2: And my mum would look out the window from our

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Speaker 2: always like, wow, it's quite quite brutal. Changes the view

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's going to be a good chat after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock, are we worried enough about cheap chargers

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Speaker 3: using these cheap charge cables that you can buy from

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Speaker 3: the likes of Teamill. It's on the back of a

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Speaker 3: house fire. Very recently where they termined. It was the

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Speaker 2: Yeah boo to Team Move, I say, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: know you do I do? I know you turn everything

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Speaker 2: you know. I think you're wasting your time worrying about that.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the question after two o'clock. Am I an

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Speaker 2: You just spin on the right charges right, and then

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's going to be a good discussion after two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked to doctor sal Mrcano, a maritime historian

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Speaker 2: What is going On with Shipping channel on YouTube. I

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Speaker 2: watched some grad analysis from him on the Mana Manui

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Speaker 2: auto pilot disaster, and he's got some some thoughts on that,

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Speaker 3: Maybe illuminating for you that's going to be a fascinating interview.

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about ORCUS Pillar two.

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Speaker 3: So a labor government would not join military Partnership UCUS

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Speaker 3: in any form. Party leader Chris Hipkins announced over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I quote, our country is fiercely independent foreign policy, and

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Speaker 3: a government I lead will not join pillars one or

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Speaker 3: That is not going to change now. ORCUS, of course,

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Speaker 3: been considering a wider defense project called ORCUS Pillar two,

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Speaker 3: which would be non nuclear technology sharing and cooperation agreements.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, he says. Fiercely independent, I mean you

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Speaker 2: are fiercely Do you want to say that you're fiercely independent?

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Speaker 5: Then?

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Speaker 2: Where do you want to have strong connections that you

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean that's really the question. And will our traditional

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Speaker 2: just going to look after ourselves, and you can be

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Speaker 2: fiercely independent down there in New Zealand. You go for it,

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Speaker 2: You go for it, you look after yourself. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we did just lose twelve point five percent of our

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, is it getting to

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Speaker 2: We can't even defend ourselves from a reef?

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Speaker 3: That's some old reef took us out, exactly as it

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Speaker 3: getting to the point now where we're being asked to

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Speaker 3: made it pretty clear that if we join any form

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Speaker 3: our trade. I mean it was a loose threat there, yea.

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Speaker 3: And the UIs clearly are making these deals with Australia,

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess the Labor Party And I know Helen

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Speaker 2: Clark said we spent six years in government diversifying New

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Speaker 2: And so I mean there could be repercussions for being

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Speaker 2: closely aligned anyway with five Eyes, correct, and China is

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Speaker 2: want to exert control in this region. Yeah, so you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm in the end, we want to diversify who we

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Speaker 2: the politics geopolitics of the world changed regularly, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you can't be beholden to one person, and you'd have

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Speaker 2: to say that China, you know, they have an outsized

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they waved their big stick at Australia when

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Speaker 3: one oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Has the Labor

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Speaker 3: need to form closer relationships with the United States? Love

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Speaker 3: to hear from you on this one nine two ninety

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four Youth Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, seventeen past one. We're talking about orcust pillar two.

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Speaker 3: The Labor Party has been pretty staunch in its opposition

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Speaker 3: to any form of partnership with ORCUS. This is on

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Speaker 3: the bank of the Labor Party conference on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: But our question to you is do we need to

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Speaker 3: be forming closer ties with the US, Australia and the

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Speaker 3: United Kingdom when it comes to our military eighty teen

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Speaker 3: eighty is the number of cour plenty of teachs coming

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Speaker 3: through on nine two ninety two. This one from Dave

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Speaker 3: get eight. Guys, I reckon we go all in with China.

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Speaker 3: Why can't we just put up with them? All our

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Speaker 3: problems will be solved.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Yeah, that one a little bit,

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Speaker 2: that one until one day they just put a line

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Speaker 2: through it as an accounting error and can stop importing

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Speaker 2: anything from us at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get a mate, hello you cam, Yes,

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Speaker 3: you can be up yep. And you think we we

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Speaker 3: absolutely have to join up with Orcus and the United

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Speaker 3: States in Australia.

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Speaker 7: Oh, we have to because like I said, no new

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Speaker 7: way back and before the time there that's going a

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Speaker 7: tree or ceromotives for coming in here, you know, be

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Speaker 7: in their people getting the specific with their navies, their forces,

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Speaker 7: and I say, the only last back and left with

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Speaker 7: a great step in stones for them. You know, it's

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Speaker 7: beady to feed their people. So but like I said,

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Speaker 7: we can't cut tires of America and all them otherwise

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Speaker 3: Yeah, have they jumped the gun? Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: Exactly good point. It is twenty two past one.

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Speaker 7: I haven't seen that one.

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Speaker 8: He says the government's going pretty well, and compared with

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think that overall our economy is getting

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Speaker 8: Even though you and government spent your full six years

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Speaker 3: It's twenty four past one and we are talking about

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Speaker 2: We've got text here on nine two, nine and two.

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Speaker 2: We're a dead end country at the ars end of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there has been some talk around a potential trade deal,

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Speaker 2: That's never going to happen with the US, is it

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Speaker 3: Yep eighty is the number to call. Richard. What's your

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Speaker 13: My view is that we should definitely be part of ORCUS.

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Speaker 13: It's a really key strategic relationship. I think New Zealand

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Speaker 13: Well originally from Scotland and lived five miles from thad Lane,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, well, the thing is with America. So five

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Speaker 13: You know, we're not threatening to America, we're not threatening

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Speaker 13: Surely those guys, we've got more in common with them

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call, Richard, appreciate

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the text number. We're going

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Speaker 3: If we are invited into a Pillar two and we accept,

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Speaker 3: then it's highly likely we'll be asked to increase our

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Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I mean that's the thing. The or the

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Speaker 2: resolve so threatening, you know, threatening some kind of retaliation

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Speaker 2: from our biggest trading partner, whilst whilst we need to

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Speaker 2: InCred our budget. Well, I mean there are definitely things

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Speaker 2: to think about. But one thing we have to do

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Speaker 2: is diversify who we brought to. Yeah, that's what we

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Speaker 2: have to do and we have to work on that

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Speaker 2: as hard as we possibly can. And I know the

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Speaker 2: current government's reaching out to India and looking at the

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Speaker 2: growth in the market there and our potential there. We

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Speaker 2: have to do that because you can't be so beholden

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Speaker 2: to one country and the changing politics in that particular

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Speaker 2: country and how they happen to be feeling about you

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Speaker 2: at any given time. Yep.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. It is twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 14: News Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. Biosecurity in New Zealand's

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Speaker 14: playing strict movement controls on an Otago egg farm after

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Speaker 14: confirmation of a strain of bird flu and chickens. The

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Speaker 14: subtype is not the strain circuling among wildlife around the

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Speaker 14: world and unrelated to the one found in Australia this year.

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Speaker 14: Two Air New Zealand planes have made unplanned landings in

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Speaker 14: twenty four hours over engine issues. A flight leaving Gisbon

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Speaker 14: about midday to day had to circle and land again

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Speaker 14: after an engine needed shutting down. An Air New Zealand

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Speaker 14: flight from Wellington to Sydney diverted to Auckland yesterday after

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Speaker 14: problems an hour into the flight. Working rights for partners

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Speaker 14: of high skilled migrants have been restored without restrictions applying

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Speaker 14: to accredited employer work visa holders in high skilled roles

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Speaker 14: and those with lower skills on a pathway to residency.

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Speaker 14: Gross examinations begun of murder accused ting Jing Chao after

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Speaker 14: the death of christ Church woman Yan Feibao. He's accused

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Speaker 14: police of drawing scratch marks on his back with a

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Speaker 14: red pen, and has been reminded to listen to and

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Speaker 14: answer questions and not ask questions back Onwoodsman investigating Kiwi

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Speaker 14: Row's refusal to release excessive consultive costs seem more at

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Speaker 14: Enzet Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Wendy. We're talking about the Labor

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Speaker 3: Party ruling out joining an orc'st partnership in any form,

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Speaker 3: including Pillar two. How do you feel about that? Oh,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty is the number of cool get

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Speaker 3: a bob?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Hi guys, Yeah, I'm hot for the orchard steal.

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Speaker 7: I can just picture China desperately wants a foothold to

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Speaker 7: take over the Antarctics, and like the Americans did some

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Speaker 7: years ago with Operation d Freees out of christ Yet,

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Speaker 7: they would love to simulate that, and I think they

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Speaker 7: could very easily cring down East Coast about two hundred

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Speaker 7: miles away and then take a right hand turn in

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Speaker 7: to Wellington and take over the country in a matter

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Speaker 7: of hours.

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Speaker 2: They definitely they, I mean, they definitely have the capability

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Speaker 2: to do that. Do you think that have the reason

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Speaker 2: to what's the street strategic advantage of Antarctica?

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Speaker 7: It's massive, and you know the way the Chinese operates,

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Speaker 7: they don't give a damn about ecological values or anything else.

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Speaker 3: But I think the Antarctic Treaty is a very different

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Speaker 3: thing though, Bob, isn't it is that there's multiple countries

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Speaker 3: involved in the Antarctic Treaty, you know, the US, US, Australia,

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Speaker 3: the UK, France. That's an entirely different treaty to what

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Speaker 3: we're talking about.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been. New Zealand's part of that. And if

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Speaker 7: the Chinese are in New Zealand and they say hey,

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Speaker 7: we're going in now, that's there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So when you when you're talking about Judith Collins

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Speaker 3: as the Defense Minister, and she's long said that we

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Speaker 3: need to re engage with the US in terms of

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Speaker 3: our partnerships overall, including military, you're you're right behind what

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Speaker 3: she's saying.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Yeah, she's on the right track. And we have

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Speaker 7: no defense here. You could you could have a helicopter

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Speaker 7: land outside the House of Parliament full of Chinese or whatever,

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Speaker 7: and the country would be in their hands. Matter of

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Speaker 7: how we haven't got any defense.

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Speaker 3: Yep, no, Bob, thank you very much for your phone call,

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Speaker 3: really appreciate it. Some great texts coming through on nine

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Speaker 3: to nine two. This one from Laura. Hey, guys, the

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Speaker 3: world is changing. I could never feel like I was

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Speaker 3: in safe hands if labor were in control. Yes, we

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Speaker 3: need to join up with the US when it comes

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Speaker 3: to military strategy. Right after the break.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right after the break. We've got an interesting

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Speaker 2: chat with doctor Salvatore Mircanano, a maritime historian at Campbell

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Speaker 2: University in North Carolina, former merchant mariner and host of

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Speaker 2: the What is going On with Shipping channel on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: He has some great analysis on the Manu and Nui

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Speaker 2: autopilot disaster. So you've got any questions for him, text

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Speaker 2: him through on nine two nine two. Very very interesting

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Speaker 2: take he's got on the whole situation.

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that. It is twenty one to.

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Speaker 4: Two Matty Adams.

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Speaker 1: If you as your afternoon rolls on Matt even Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoon News Talk, sa'd be.

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Speaker 2: Hey, text come through on nineteen nine and two. Got

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Speaker 2: on you for getting sal from What's going On with Shipping?

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Speaker 2: The man knows what he's talking about. Where we're going

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Speaker 2: to get him on with the to chat about the

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Speaker 2: Manu and Noui's sinking. Fantastic YouTube channel that What's going

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Speaker 2: on with Shipping and a really really interesting analysis on

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Speaker 2: that on that sinking. Unfortunately, he was all lined up

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Speaker 2: to talk to us right now. Seven forty PM his

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Speaker 2: time in North Carolina. But he's just email back and

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Speaker 2: go oh, I thought there was AM.

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Speaker 3: Yes, said the old time differences.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll try and get him on for the

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Speaker 2: show tomorrow. I'm not gonna be able to get him

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Speaker 2: on today. Andfortunately so he knows this stuff about shipping,

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Speaker 2: but he doesn't know his AM and his PM.

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Speaker 3: And if we get him on tomorrow, it's going to

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Speaker 3: be a great chat. So we'll tee that up. Rest assured.

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Speaker 3: But in the meantime, we are talking about the Labor

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Speaker 3: Party ruling out joining orcus Pillar two if it ever

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Speaker 3: comes to pass. Is that a mistake? Should we be

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Speaker 3: joining up with the US in terms of military strategies

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Speaker 3: and partnerships? Dean your pro?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, goodo guys, And yeah, look I'm pro Pilar two

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Speaker 12: for the UCUS for most of the reasons. What a

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Speaker 12: lot of your commentists have been saying about. Just one

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Speaker 12: more thoughts is that you know, yeah, China is massive

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Speaker 12: in terms of export value, but when you can bind

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Speaker 12: the economic value of the UK, USA and Australia, that's

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Speaker 12: more than the value of China. And I think the

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Speaker 12: other thing we're going to think about is that Pillar

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Speaker 12: two is not just about those three countries. Eventually they'll

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Speaker 12: be Japan, South Korea, Canada will probably join us well,

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Speaker 12: and then you're talking about that wider environ of defense

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Speaker 12: and economic value. Just makes it just no brainer. And

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Speaker 12: I don't think China is going to shove us because

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Speaker 12: at the end of the day, I think one of

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Speaker 12: your commentators talked about that we are part of Pilar two,

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Speaker 12: but we are so small they're just not going to

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Speaker 12: crack it. So that's my thoughts from another angle.

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Speaker 3: No, that's fair enough of them. Yeah, you carry on, Dean, No,

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Speaker 3: that's right. I was just going to say, I mean,

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Speaker 3: and it's a fear point. It's who knows what China

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Speaker 3: may do if we sign up to some sort of

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Speaker 3: military partnership like aucus Pillar two. But those comments from

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Speaker 3: the ambassador in that interview last week, I believed we're

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Speaker 3: somewhat concerning it. And I know that's what China do

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Speaker 3: is they make vague you wouldn't call them threats, but

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Speaker 3: they make vague insinuations that if we do this then

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Speaker 3: they won't be happy about it and what that could mean.

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Speaker 3: But when you hear that sort of language, and you

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Speaker 3: know that China waved the big stick of Australia when

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Speaker 3: they signed up to Orcus Pillar one. Are you not

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Speaker 3: a little bit worried that China may look to us

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Speaker 3: and say, well, you're a small country and we're going

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Speaker 3: to teach you a lesson.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I mean, at the end of the day, when you

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Speaker 12: tick off USA, UK, Australia, Japan and South Korea, the

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Speaker 12: economic value for China and it's just it's just it's

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Speaker 12: just crazy to think that they're just going to pick

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Speaker 12: on New Zealand if we join toler do They've also

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Speaker 12: got to recognize that where where we need to have

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Speaker 12: defense arrangements and we're so small we can't do it

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Speaker 12: by ourselves, and we do need to be paying our work,

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Speaker 12: which is two percent of the GDP for well we've

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Speaker 12: got to pick up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, good on you, Dean, I mean, just on

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Speaker 3: that point, and I do agree with you about that

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Speaker 3: two percent. Do you think that is going to come

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Speaker 3: to the fore pretty quickly now that we you know,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is going to be president of the US again.

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Speaker 3: I know he's been hot on that and he makes

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Speaker 3: a fair point right that NATO members should be and

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Speaker 3: we're not part of NATO, but for all the other

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Speaker 3: NATO members, they should be contributing that two percent that

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Speaker 3: was part of the original agreement.

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Speaker 12: Yeah one d Again, Look, I think Canada is going

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Speaker 12: to get a hard time from Trump. So then Canada's

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Speaker 12: at one point six, we're less.

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Speaker 2: I think we're I think we might even be at

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Speaker 2: point seven at the moment.

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Speaker 3: We are.

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Speaker 12: Much and you know, we've got to change our our actions,

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Speaker 12: you know, in this in this area to understand. That's

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Speaker 12: what we've got us buy to.

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Speaker 3: Dean, Thank you very much. Yet very interesting points.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that recently we've been making a lot

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Speaker 2: of cutbacks on our defense spending. The air forces had

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Speaker 2: to make cutback and make some money. But then that

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Speaker 2: doesn't help. If we then sink a one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty million dollar ship, that doesn't help across the entire

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Speaker 2: defense force of the Navy's going to be losing his ship.

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Speaker 3: Slightly red faced on that one. Won't we die? What's

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Speaker 3: your view? Ontilar two? Hello?

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Speaker 5: Hi, Yeah, look, I agree we do need to be

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Speaker 5: part of August two, and I agree everything that calls.

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Speaker 5: The one before last was saying about China's ambitions and

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Speaker 5: the Antarctic and we are a stepping stone. The Antarctic

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Speaker 5: has got a lot of very rich minerals down there,

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Speaker 5: which China has been aware of, and they have been

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Speaker 5: building a lot of research stations, much more than any

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Speaker 5: other country. And so when you look and consider I

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Speaker 5: mean it's been widely known that they have been wanting

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Speaker 5: to develop stations down there quite a bit for at

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Speaker 5: least ten to fifteen years. And when you think about

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Speaker 5: the steps like the getting involved in the Pacific Islands, right,

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Speaker 5: so all this strategy, it is quite clear. So we

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Speaker 5: need to actually do things that are strategic for our

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Speaker 5: defense and stick with our original traditional allies, and we

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Speaker 5: need to just be diplomatic, do what we do, but

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Speaker 5: not be swayed by any bullying tactics.

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Speaker 2: Now, Dina, you think that you think that when it

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Speaker 2: comes to New Zealand's defense that because New Zealand is

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Speaker 2: obviously out of christ Church at the moment, but we're

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Speaker 2: the most logical sort of stepping point towards getting in

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Speaker 2: and out of Antarctica.

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Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely absolutely, We're just we are, you know, a

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Speaker 5: little duel in the crown to that step down there,

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Speaker 5: and you know there's a strip there is a Chinese

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Speaker 5: strategy where they do like to buy up and you know,

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Speaker 5: so there's a whole range of behaviors, but I think

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Speaker 5: basically New Zealand is so little that we will not

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Speaker 5: have a chance. Like that guy said, you know, we

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Speaker 5: could have someone in here and you know, matter of ours.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when it comes to and you're quite

651
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Speaker 3: right when it comes to Antarctica. And I'm just reading

652
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Speaker 3: a story here from February this year that China opened

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Speaker 3: its fifth research station and the Government of Australia were

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Speaker 3: given quite a serve by military strategist saying that they're

655
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Speaker 3: asleep at the wheel. But are they on firmer footing

656
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Speaker 3: and we're on firmer footing when it comes to Antarctica.

657
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Speaker 3: Is that that partnership has multiple different countries, including the

658
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Speaker 3: United States, so we're already in that agreement that if

659
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Speaker 3: China does overstep the mark, there's far more nations they're

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Speaker 3: ready to go to pushback.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The only thing is like it would we would be invaded,

663
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Speaker 5: we would be taken over. Right, this is a reality.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, And you've only got to look at other

665
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Speaker 5: countries that have had invasions. So theoretically we would be

666
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Speaker 5: well in the midst of having our control taken over

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Speaker 5: before anyone actually did anything about it. So the idea

668
00:34:14,652 --> 00:34:19,893
Speaker 5: is to actually try to dissuade, you know, sort of

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Speaker 5: be proactive and aware rather than be asleep at the wheel.

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Speaker 5: And there's actually there might be five. Now there's actually

671
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Speaker 5: a lot more if you read up about it and

672
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Speaker 5: have a look at the map, and I think there's

673
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Speaker 5: some actual stations China has been planning or starting to

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Speaker 5: build that I are on hearts of Antarcta which have

675
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Speaker 5: been designated for other countries, not China. So all of

676
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Speaker 5: that you just have to look at the whole big

677
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:53,453
Speaker 5: scheme and say, look, we need to stick with our

678
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Speaker 5: traditional allies, and we need to make sure we're there

679
00:34:57,453 --> 00:35:02,533
Speaker 5: for the Pacific islands, you know, and just carry on

680
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Speaker 5: and do our best.

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Speaker 2: How far would you go with that or die? Because

682
00:35:05,733 --> 00:35:08,212
Speaker 2: if we talk about orcast, there's pillar one and pillar two.

683
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Speaker 2: So pillar one is nuclear powered submarines that you know

684
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Speaker 2: between the UK and the US and Australia. Would you

685
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Speaker 2: go that far? Would you give up on our nuclear

686
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Speaker 2: free starts to stay buddies worth the US?

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Speaker 5: I think we need to have a defense team that

688
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Speaker 5: is really switched on that can read and actually plan

689
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Speaker 5: strategically of what's needed at the time. And I don't

690
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Speaker 5: think we can be making those decisions to set until

691
00:35:41,213 --> 00:35:43,973
Speaker 5: you know, we see indicators and that's what we have

692
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Speaker 5: our defense team for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting point. Thank you very much for giving us

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Speaker 3: a buzzdie. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call love to hear from you on this one.

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00:35:53,733 --> 00:35:57,053
Speaker 3: It is nine minutes to two.

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Speaker 1: Matteeth, Tyler Adams sneaking your calls on Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty mad Eth and Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB, News

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Speaker 1: Talks AIRB it is seven to two.

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Speaker 3: Russell, you think we should join?

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Speaker 15: Yes, I do think we should join. At the moment,

702
00:36:14,933 --> 00:36:21,292
Speaker 15: our air Force, Navy and military are a total joke.

703
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Speaker 15: I don't think we need to go new clear. We

704
00:36:26,413 --> 00:36:30,013
Speaker 15: can still join and not be new clear. It is

705
00:36:30,173 --> 00:36:34,373
Speaker 15: strategy that woman Diane talked about all the strategy, but

706
00:36:35,093 --> 00:36:39,893
Speaker 15: we need to have a whole rethink of our Navy,

707
00:36:40,413 --> 00:36:44,333
Speaker 15: air Force, in military and think have more of a

708
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Speaker 15: marine set up where they all work cohesively together instead

709
00:36:48,813 --> 00:36:54,093
Speaker 15: of having three separate entities. Now we need a lot

710
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Speaker 15: more at drone technology, And I'm talking about the big drones,

711
00:36:58,133 --> 00:37:02,213
Speaker 15: not the little tiny drones. I'm talking about the ones

712
00:37:02,293 --> 00:37:05,973
Speaker 15: that like the Americans used and they again I stand

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00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:08,973
Speaker 15: and things like that. And also when need to get

714
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Speaker 15: back into having a decent year air capability like having

715
00:37:14,213 --> 00:37:23,413
Speaker 15: the vertical F thirty five take off jets two or

716
00:37:23,413 --> 00:37:28,653
Speaker 15: three different varieties, but these erranders like a giant aircraft

717
00:37:28,693 --> 00:37:36,013
Speaker 15: carrier and be suitable for the protection around the region.

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Speaker 2: How much of a percentage of our GDP would you

719
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Speaker 2: be willing to put towards defense? I believe we're at

720
00:37:41,853 --> 00:37:47,013
Speaker 2: point seven percent right now. The NATO countries are being

721
00:37:47,013 --> 00:37:50,413
Speaker 2: pushed to be two percent. Where would you be cometable

722
00:37:50,453 --> 00:37:52,173
Speaker 2: and what would you be into What would you be

723
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Speaker 2: willing to cut so we could put that money into defense.

724
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Speaker 15: Well, we've got a huge storage world out there, so

725
00:38:03,613 --> 00:38:07,773
Speaker 15: we can really start getting some of that out and

726
00:38:08,133 --> 00:38:14,893
Speaker 15: use some of that money to upgrade our defenses. Places

727
00:38:14,973 --> 00:38:18,053
Speaker 15: like Norway and other countries like that use their oil

728
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Speaker 15: to make the country is a lot better place. And

729
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Speaker 15: it's time we stopped the attitude that it should just

730
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Speaker 15: sit in the ground for eternity. I think oil is

731
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Speaker 15: always going to be needed, so we have some of

732
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Speaker 15: the top grade oil around, so we should take the

733
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Speaker 15: opportunity to sell it now while we can and use

734
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Speaker 15: that for all sorts of things including hospitals, military and whatever.

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Speaker 15: There's no reason why we can't do that. Norway they've

736
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Speaker 15: got one of the best railway systems around because use

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Speaker 15: their oil oil revenue to do that.

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Speaker 3: Yep, fair enough to Russell, Thank you very much. And

739
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Speaker 3: that is where we'll leave it. Interesting discussion and we'll

740
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Speaker 3: see where this current government ends up with orcas. After

741
00:39:09,453 --> 00:39:12,413
Speaker 3: two o'clock, let's have a chat about cheap cords and

742
00:39:12,533 --> 00:39:16,253
Speaker 3: lithium batteries. Are we worried enough about those?

743
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Speaker 7: Oh?

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00:39:16,773 --> 00:39:19,253
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

745
00:39:19,413 --> 00:39:22,533
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text number. New Sport

746
00:39:22,613 --> 00:39:25,253
Speaker 3: and Weather on its way. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

747
00:39:25,333 --> 00:39:29,973
Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you, talking with you all afternoon.

748
00:39:30,173 --> 00:39:32,373
Speaker 4: It's Matt Heathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 1: Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk zib Good Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: You welcome back into the show. Seven pass to good

751
00:39:40,533 --> 00:39:43,573
Speaker 3: discussion last hour, but we want to talk this hour

752
00:39:43,693 --> 00:39:47,173
Speaker 3: about cheap cables from temu and lithium batteries. This is

753
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Speaker 3: on the back of fire and emergency. They are urging

754
00:39:50,133 --> 00:39:54,533
Speaker 3: caution when using cheap charger cables after an investigation revealed

755
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Speaker 3: that an Auckland house fire was caused by a charger

756
00:39:56,853 --> 00:40:01,013
Speaker 3: brought from online retailer teamu SO Risk Reduction and Investigation

757
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Speaker 3: Manager Peter Gallagher says they have seen a massive increase

758
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Speaker 3: around the world and the number of fires caused by

759
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Speaker 3: portable electric devices. He said, I quote many people will

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Speaker 3: purchase a cable because it's cheap, or they need a

761
00:40:13,653 --> 00:40:16,773
Speaker 3: second or third cable, without checking that the cable is

762
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Speaker 3: of the right capacity to cope with the power it

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Speaker 3: has to take right.

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Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily the quality of the cable, it's

765
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Speaker 2: that it's not the right cable. Yeah, that you need

766
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Speaker 2: to carry the load to charge what you're charging.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. It raises the question on one the

768
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Speaker 3: cheap cables, but also lithium batteries in general. There's been

769
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Speaker 3: a lot made of when a lithium battery does catch fire,

770
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Speaker 3: it's incredibly hard to put out. But I mentioned a

771
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Speaker 3: little bit earlier the show, I switched everything off of

772
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Speaker 3: my household. When I go out, everything, particularly the lithium

773
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Speaker 3: battery powered products. I won't charge my laptop overnight. I

774
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Speaker 3: won't charge my phone overnight. You think I'm being an

775
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Speaker 3: absolute wido.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that you're worrying about the wrong thing.

777
00:40:57,693 --> 00:41:00,692
Speaker 2: So maybe when you leave the house, I mean, I'll

778
00:41:00,773 --> 00:41:03,373
Speaker 2: leave everything charging all the time. I don't care, but

779
00:41:03,453 --> 00:41:07,693
Speaker 2: that's the way I am. But I can see maybe

780
00:41:07,693 --> 00:41:09,653
Speaker 2: if you're leaving the house, if you're going on holiday

781
00:41:09,733 --> 00:41:13,333
Speaker 2: or something. But why do you do that? You what if,

782
00:41:13,493 --> 00:41:16,413
Speaker 2: in terms of the risk ratio of life, you think

783
00:41:16,453 --> 00:41:18,652
Speaker 2: that there's a good chance that you're talking about your

784
00:41:18,733 --> 00:41:20,893
Speaker 2: laptop your phones, Yep, you think there's a good chance

785
00:41:20,893 --> 00:41:21,453
Speaker 2: they'll go up?

786
00:41:21,613 --> 00:41:23,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just worry that there's So you've.

787
00:41:23,293 --> 00:41:26,453
Speaker 2: Got the right cables, Yes, you've invested in the right cables.

788
00:41:26,053 --> 00:41:28,373
Speaker 3: The official Apple cable that's going into the laptop.

789
00:41:28,493 --> 00:41:29,813
Speaker 2: So what's going to make them go up?

790
00:41:30,093 --> 00:41:32,253
Speaker 3: I just have that niggle in the back of my

791
00:41:32,373 --> 00:41:35,893
Speaker 3: mind that there's a small possibility that this is going

792
00:41:35,933 --> 00:41:38,213
Speaker 3: to set off the battery and the laptop. My laptop

793
00:41:38,773 --> 00:41:40,773
Speaker 3: is feeling new now, but the old laptop I had,

794
00:41:40,813 --> 00:41:42,573
Speaker 3: I was really worried about that because that was ten

795
00:41:42,653 --> 00:41:44,893
Speaker 3: years old and the battery was starting to degrade a

796
00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:48,093
Speaker 3: little bit, not in terms of, you know, the outside

797
00:41:48,093 --> 00:41:49,733
Speaker 3: of it, but just in terms of how much charge

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Speaker 3: it could hold. And the same with my phone. I

799
00:41:51,933 --> 00:41:55,333
Speaker 3: just don't trust them, And particularly with my lithium batteries

800
00:41:55,373 --> 00:41:58,093
Speaker 3: charging for my power drills, No way i'd leave those on.

801
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Speaker 2: I leave mine on all the time. I would never

802
00:42:00,653 --> 00:42:03,172
Speaker 2: even consider turning them off. And look, my father, if

803
00:42:03,173 --> 00:42:05,253
Speaker 2: he's listening, he'll he'll be angry at this. I was

804
00:42:05,293 --> 00:42:07,293
Speaker 2: swalking about this that the other day. Actually, he gave

805
00:42:07,333 --> 00:42:09,013
Speaker 2: me a z bike and he said, don't leave that

806
00:42:09,133 --> 00:42:12,373
Speaker 2: charging in the garage, you know, when you're out, And

807
00:42:12,373 --> 00:42:13,573
Speaker 2: I was like, I leave it on all the time,

808
00:42:13,613 --> 00:42:16,173
Speaker 2: and I leave Tracy's charging all the time. I just

809
00:42:16,173 --> 00:42:18,573
Speaker 2: thinking the big profile of risks as long as you've

810
00:42:18,573 --> 00:42:20,613
Speaker 2: got the right cable, And this might be a different

811
00:42:20,613 --> 00:42:23,693
Speaker 2: issue around that that getting a rubbish cable from TIMU

812
00:42:23,733 --> 00:42:25,653
Speaker 2: and not getting the right cable that you need for

813
00:42:25,693 --> 00:42:28,093
Speaker 2: the charging that you're doing. That might be a different issue.

814
00:42:28,653 --> 00:42:30,573
Speaker 2: But then again, I'd say some of the plugs that

815
00:42:30,573 --> 00:42:33,652
Speaker 2: people are running behind their TV with four hundred things

816
00:42:33,653 --> 00:42:36,093
Speaker 2: plugged into it and dust everywhere might be a bigger

817
00:42:36,133 --> 00:42:36,652
Speaker 2: risk than that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's a good point. But just on

819
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Speaker 3: the old e bikes. And when we got a storage

820
00:42:42,133 --> 00:42:44,213
Speaker 3: shed for all our year down in christ Church, one

821
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Speaker 3: of the things we couldn't store in there was e

822
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Speaker 3: bikes because they were worried about the batteries.

823
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Speaker 2: Did you.

824
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Speaker 3: Hait a minute, even not plugged in? Even not plugged in?

825
00:42:54,493 --> 00:42:56,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because because I was actually when I was

826
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Speaker 2: shipping my bike up from Dunedin Towalkland, you couldn't take

827
00:43:00,213 --> 00:43:03,013
Speaker 2: it on the plane that did be shifted shipped via

828
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Speaker 2: I don't know how I got up here truck and train.

829
00:43:05,293 --> 00:43:07,893
Speaker 2: I guess. I just think in the big scheme of things,

830
00:43:07,893 --> 00:43:10,493
Speaker 2: that's not not the biggest you to worry about. Like

831
00:43:10,853 --> 00:43:13,293
Speaker 2: I'm worried about you. If you're worrying about that, I mean,

832
00:43:14,053 --> 00:43:17,013
Speaker 2: what's the biggest, The biggest you've got to have. Absolutely

833
00:43:17,013 --> 00:43:19,453
Speaker 2: you're crazy if you don't spend the money and get

834
00:43:19,453 --> 00:43:23,493
Speaker 2: smoke alarms. That is that is crazy And you should

835
00:43:23,533 --> 00:43:26,133
Speaker 2: have them in every room pretty much, well you know,

836
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Speaker 2: in the key areas. I mean, I think we might

837
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Speaker 2: have we have an insane an insane amount of smoke alarms,

838
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Speaker 2: to the point where I'm if I'm frying up. I

839
00:43:34,533 --> 00:43:37,533
Speaker 2: was frying up some sausages on the barbecue outside and

840
00:43:37,573 --> 00:43:39,733
Speaker 2: some smoke got inside and four fire alarms. We're not

841
00:43:39,893 --> 00:43:44,013
Speaker 2: so we might be over smoke alarming in our house. Yeah, yeah,

842
00:43:44,093 --> 00:43:46,173
Speaker 2: but that that that's the kind of thing that that

843
00:43:46,293 --> 00:43:47,813
Speaker 2: I think. So if I go to sleep, I know

844
00:43:47,893 --> 00:43:49,493
Speaker 2: that if there's any kind of fire that happens in

845
00:43:49,493 --> 00:43:51,173
Speaker 2: one of the kids rooms, I can deal with it

846
00:43:51,213 --> 00:43:53,533
Speaker 2: straight away. Everyone will be working up right. That seems

847
00:43:53,573 --> 00:43:57,613
Speaker 2: like a legitimate level of worry. But worrying about lithian

848
00:43:57,653 --> 00:44:01,933
Speaker 2: batteries charging, I don't know, Tyler, I mean what causes

849
00:44:01,973 --> 00:44:04,933
Speaker 2: those fires? Actually, I'll be interested to hear from from

850
00:44:05,333 --> 00:44:08,093
Speaker 2: people in the fire fighting industry if you call them

851
00:44:08,133 --> 00:44:12,212
Speaker 2: into or people that work across that, anyone like that

852
00:44:12,213 --> 00:44:14,453
Speaker 2: that works, you know, on whatever part of the retail

853
00:44:14,453 --> 00:44:17,013
Speaker 2: side of it or the actual fire fighting side of it.

854
00:44:17,133 --> 00:44:20,173
Speaker 2: What is what causes house fires? And you's oun So

855
00:44:20,253 --> 00:44:22,493
Speaker 2: I would say this has made the news with this, Timu,

856
00:44:23,373 --> 00:44:25,853
Speaker 2: and I say that white a problem. Never buy anything

857
00:44:25,853 --> 00:44:29,573
Speaker 2: from that. That's an evil organization. That's quite quite a

858
00:44:29,573 --> 00:44:32,813
Speaker 2: different issue. Yeah, but I would say that lithium batteries

859
00:44:32,853 --> 00:44:34,533
Speaker 2: going off must be at the lower end of the

860
00:44:34,613 --> 00:44:38,573
Speaker 2: risks we've got. I mean, isn't it. I imagine cooking,

861
00:44:39,053 --> 00:44:40,893
Speaker 2: you know that's what you should really.

862
00:44:40,733 --> 00:44:42,613
Speaker 3: Worry about, right, Yeah, I think you're right.

863
00:44:43,573 --> 00:44:45,333
Speaker 2: Unattended cooking would be a big issue.

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00:44:45,933 --> 00:44:48,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, or heaters that get a little bit too close

865
00:44:48,973 --> 00:44:51,893
Speaker 3: to clothing. But O wet hundred eighty ten eighty is

866
00:44:51,933 --> 00:44:55,053
Speaker 3: the number call? Am I freaking out too much about

867
00:44:55,053 --> 00:44:58,653
Speaker 3: these lithium batteries? Am I buying in to the skier

868
00:44:58,773 --> 00:45:02,213
Speaker 3: tactics of what we see in the headlines?

869
00:45:02,253 --> 00:45:03,453
Speaker 2: And I mean, what's the worsk happen?

870
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Speaker 16: Like?

871
00:45:03,693 --> 00:45:06,253
Speaker 2: So it starts smoking, your fire alarm goes off, you

872
00:45:06,333 --> 00:45:07,533
Speaker 2: wake up, you unplug it.

873
00:45:07,973 --> 00:45:09,893
Speaker 3: But when I'm leaving the house, that's a different story, though,

874
00:45:09,933 --> 00:45:12,253
Speaker 3: wasn't it? And the big fear that I've got.

875
00:45:12,413 --> 00:45:14,613
Speaker 2: I'll give you. I'll give you that leaving the house.

876
00:45:14,653 --> 00:45:17,212
Speaker 2: I'll give that to you leaving the house. Maybe you

877
00:45:17,253 --> 00:45:20,172
Speaker 2: there's some logic in that, and good on you. You'll

878
00:45:20,173 --> 00:45:23,253
Speaker 2: probably go to heaven for being worrying about that so much. Amazing,

879
00:45:23,933 --> 00:45:26,973
Speaker 2: But well you're asleep. I mean, if it's just beside

880
00:45:26,973 --> 00:45:29,093
Speaker 2: the bed and it's charging the laptop, and the phone.

881
00:45:29,613 --> 00:45:32,333
Speaker 2: Then if it starts smoking, then you'll wake up, there'll

882
00:45:32,373 --> 00:45:33,133
Speaker 2: be some fire.

883
00:45:33,413 --> 00:45:36,373
Speaker 3: Will go off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it happened once with

884
00:45:36,453 --> 00:45:38,533
Speaker 3: one of these cords while I was there charging on

885
00:45:38,533 --> 00:45:41,172
Speaker 3: my laptop started smoking, And that's perhaps why I've got

886
00:45:41,173 --> 00:45:44,692
Speaker 3: this ingrained trauma about charging overnight. But love to hear

887
00:45:44,733 --> 00:45:46,893
Speaker 3: from people out there. Am I overplaying it when it

888
00:45:46,893 --> 00:45:49,853
Speaker 3: comes to these cheap cords and lithium batteries? Is it

889
00:45:49,893 --> 00:45:51,973
Speaker 3: all just getting hyped up a bit much? On the danger?

890
00:45:52,053 --> 00:45:52,172
Speaker 10: Oh?

891
00:45:52,253 --> 00:45:54,813
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you take Tyler's

892
00:45:54,853 --> 00:45:56,413
Speaker 2: view that you should live in fear of it or

893
00:45:56,493 --> 00:45:58,813
Speaker 2: my view that just go for there's bigger things to

894
00:45:58,813 --> 00:45:59,333
Speaker 2: worry about.

895
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Speaker 3: Yep, thirteen past two.

896
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Speaker 1: You're on new home of Afternoon Tour and Taylor Adams

897
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Speaker 1: Afternoon Call.

898
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Speaker 4: Oh wait, News Talks.

899
00:46:10,453 --> 00:46:13,893
Speaker 3: B News Talks B sixteen past two. Am I being

900
00:46:13,893 --> 00:46:17,493
Speaker 3: a bit too paranoid about lithium batteries and cheap cables

901
00:46:17,613 --> 00:46:19,933
Speaker 3: from Timu? This is on the back of fire an

902
00:46:19,933 --> 00:46:23,573
Speaker 3: emergency saying that a cheap charger cable from TIMU was

903
00:46:23,613 --> 00:46:25,692
Speaker 3: the likely source of an Auckland house fire.

904
00:46:25,773 --> 00:46:28,133
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I'm totally against cheap charge of cables from

905
00:46:28,133 --> 00:46:30,732
Speaker 2: tu don't get you right. I think that's the problem there.

906
00:46:30,733 --> 00:46:33,053
Speaker 2: But if you've got the official cable for your official

907
00:46:33,253 --> 00:46:36,133
Speaker 2: lithium vactory that you're charging, I think that's on the

908
00:46:36,133 --> 00:46:38,772
Speaker 2: lower end of things to worry about it. In terms

909
00:46:38,813 --> 00:46:42,093
Speaker 2: of fires, unintended cooking, I think is something that you

910
00:46:42,093 --> 00:46:44,493
Speaker 2: should definitely worry about. And a lot of people texting

911
00:46:44,533 --> 00:46:47,413
Speaker 2: through saying on the muppet because you can't smell fire

912
00:46:47,453 --> 00:46:50,253
Speaker 2: while you're asleep. Yeah, but i've got smoke alarms. I

913
00:46:50,653 --> 00:46:53,933
Speaker 2: think absolute on hundredcent get smoke alarms. But I just

914
00:46:53,973 --> 00:46:56,493
Speaker 2: think if you're if you're going through the hassle tailer

915
00:46:56,533 --> 00:46:58,733
Speaker 2: of plugging it at your phone into charge when you

916
00:46:58,813 --> 00:47:00,373
Speaker 2: get home so it's not on. I mean, what does

917
00:47:00,413 --> 00:47:01,173
Speaker 2: your partner think of this?

918
00:47:01,453 --> 00:47:04,053
Speaker 3: It does head that I'm going to go through the

919
00:47:04,093 --> 00:47:07,053
Speaker 3: whole house and make sure everything switched off. She hates it.

920
00:47:07,213 --> 00:47:09,933
Speaker 3: She's screaming at me in there saying hurry ah, what

921
00:47:09,973 --> 00:47:10,573
Speaker 3: are you doing.

922
00:47:10,773 --> 00:47:13,213
Speaker 2: She's losing respect for you. Yeah, you've got to think

923
00:47:13,253 --> 00:47:15,413
Speaker 2: about that. The risk of your partner losing respect for

924
00:47:15,453 --> 00:47:18,213
Speaker 2: you is an important It's probably a higher risk than

925
00:47:18,253 --> 00:47:19,973
Speaker 2: you leaving your iPhone charging.

926
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Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Am I

927
00:47:22,253 --> 00:47:24,093
Speaker 3: getting too paranoid about this?

928
00:47:24,733 --> 00:47:24,973
Speaker 7: Dan?

929
00:47:25,013 --> 00:47:25,453
Speaker 3: How are you?

930
00:47:26,693 --> 00:47:26,933
Speaker 7: Yeah?

931
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Speaker 11: Good?

932
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Speaker 3: Now you've played up on your fire batteries are battery

933
00:47:31,093 --> 00:47:31,692
Speaker 3: fires rather?

934
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

935
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Speaker 11: I called you up the other week when you're talking

936
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Speaker 11: about your toxic workplace environments. I'm not an electrician, and

937
00:47:40,453 --> 00:47:43,373
Speaker 11: I would have thought your household lithium batteries are generally

938
00:47:43,373 --> 00:47:45,293
Speaker 11: a pretty low risk, but they are causing a lot

939
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Speaker 11: of landfall fires. Yeah. I've cleaned up a freight container

940
00:47:50,213 --> 00:47:52,293
Speaker 11: a couple of years ago where they'd had a massive,

941
00:47:52,293 --> 00:47:56,173
Speaker 11: big lithium battery fire and only hunger. Three years ago

942
00:47:56,533 --> 00:47:58,293
Speaker 11: there was a factory that burned down. It was a

943
00:47:58,333 --> 00:48:03,213
Speaker 11: phenomenal fire. So, lithium is an Alkaloi metal. It's the

944
00:48:03,333 --> 00:48:07,093
Speaker 11: least reactive of the alkaloi metals. The next one's sodium,

945
00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:11,453
Speaker 11: and the next ones but hassium. So I guess in context,

946
00:48:12,453 --> 00:48:15,013
Speaker 11: when we've set off a piece of sodium metal the

947
00:48:15,013 --> 00:48:19,213
Speaker 11: size of the top of your thumb twenty five meters

948
00:48:19,253 --> 00:48:22,093
Speaker 11: away from you, to feel the shockwave going through the ground. Wow,

949
00:48:22,453 --> 00:48:25,212
Speaker 11: So when you hit hit these things with water, they

950
00:48:25,253 --> 00:48:30,053
Speaker 11: heat up. They spontaneously can bust because the heat ignites

951
00:48:30,173 --> 00:48:33,413
Speaker 11: the hydrogen gas that's formed. So if you've only got

952
00:48:33,413 --> 00:48:36,813
Speaker 11: a very small quantity of lithium and a small battery,

953
00:48:37,173 --> 00:48:40,692
Speaker 11: I think you've got a pretty low risk. But at

954
00:48:40,733 --> 00:48:43,453
Speaker 11: my factory, whenever we get lithium batteries, I always put

955
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Speaker 11: them in a sealed bucket and I put them in

956
00:48:46,373 --> 00:48:48,453
Speaker 11: the far corner of the yard until we take them

957
00:48:48,493 --> 00:48:50,853
Speaker 11: to the battery recycler, just for that reason that they're

958
00:48:50,853 --> 00:48:51,533
Speaker 11: water reactive.

959
00:48:52,053 --> 00:48:55,933
Speaker 2: So small lithium batteries can they can be doused with water,

960
00:48:56,573 --> 00:49:00,093
Speaker 2: but a large lithium ion battery fires, you have to

961
00:49:00,213 --> 00:49:04,172
Speaker 2: use foam or some kind of water.

962
00:49:04,253 --> 00:49:10,732
Speaker 11: Flooding quantities of water, right, generally chemical reaction excess water

963
00:49:10,813 --> 00:49:15,652
Speaker 11: flooding quantities of water that they say the exception is

964
00:49:15,693 --> 00:49:20,133
Speaker 11: water reactive substances. But if you've got flooding quantities of water,

965
00:49:20,173 --> 00:49:24,973
Speaker 11: then you'll help that chemical reaction cease more quickly because

966
00:49:25,013 --> 00:49:26,573
Speaker 11: it's just got to go through its cycle and then

967
00:49:26,573 --> 00:49:27,293
Speaker 11: it's done.

968
00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:31,413
Speaker 2: So if you do come across a so there's that

969
00:49:31,733 --> 00:49:34,613
Speaker 2: you've got to say. On the un very very unlikely

970
00:49:34,773 --> 00:49:39,293
Speaker 2: situation where let's say a iPhone goes up, a smartphone

971
00:49:39,293 --> 00:49:43,333
Speaker 2: goes up, it starts burning, starts smoking. At that point

972
00:49:43,493 --> 00:49:45,252
Speaker 2: is the first thing you do is flick the power off.

973
00:49:45,693 --> 00:49:48,773
Speaker 2: And then what gets some barbies to barbecue times.

974
00:49:48,613 --> 00:49:52,893
Speaker 11: Throw it as far away as you can throw it.

975
00:49:54,013 --> 00:49:54,172
Speaker 7: Yeah.

976
00:49:54,253 --> 00:49:56,933
Speaker 11: Yeah, the risk in those batteries you get a very

977
00:49:56,933 --> 00:50:00,493
Speaker 11: small quantity elythium. But if something like that happened, you'd

978
00:50:00,533 --> 00:50:02,093
Speaker 11: throw it out in the middle of the grass in

979
00:50:02,093 --> 00:50:05,813
Speaker 11: the backyard. And if it didn't settle down, yeah, put

980
00:50:05,813 --> 00:50:08,733
Speaker 11: the hose on it or call up the fier apartment.

981
00:50:09,613 --> 00:50:11,732
Speaker 3: Is there some truth because I talk about switching off

982
00:50:11,813 --> 00:50:16,172
Speaker 3: my lithium batteries that charge my power tools, Is there

983
00:50:16,213 --> 00:50:18,493
Speaker 3: some truth to the fact that you shouldn't leave them

984
00:50:18,533 --> 00:50:20,732
Speaker 3: on charge once they are charged up, that you can

985
00:50:20,733 --> 00:50:23,533
Speaker 3: switch it off and they'll hold that charge fairly well.

986
00:50:23,733 --> 00:50:26,293
Speaker 3: Overcharging could be an extra danger.

987
00:50:28,293 --> 00:50:31,253
Speaker 11: For me personally, And like I said, I'm no an electrician.

988
00:50:32,133 --> 00:50:33,133
Speaker 4: That's not what.

989
00:50:33,133 --> 00:50:35,693
Speaker 11: I worry about. I don't know enough about batteries, so

990
00:50:35,693 --> 00:50:38,692
Speaker 11: I normally take things off once they're charged more because

991
00:50:38,733 --> 00:50:41,533
Speaker 11: it might affect the battery and the performance of the battery.

992
00:50:43,333 --> 00:50:47,573
Speaker 11: But yeah, most of your household lithium batteries, the small

993
00:50:47,613 --> 00:50:50,453
Speaker 11: ones and small devices are not to worry your power tools.

994
00:50:50,493 --> 00:50:53,053
Speaker 11: You're starting to escalate your risk. And then once you

995
00:50:53,093 --> 00:50:55,893
Speaker 11: start to get to bigger industrial batteries, you're escalating your

996
00:50:55,933 --> 00:50:56,453
Speaker 11: risk again.

997
00:50:58,573 --> 00:50:58,772
Speaker 7: Yeah.

998
00:50:58,813 --> 00:51:00,933
Speaker 11: So I might clean out a council depot and I

999
00:51:00,973 --> 00:51:03,813
Speaker 11: could have fifty kilos of lithium batteries, and then I

1000
00:51:03,813 --> 00:51:05,772
Speaker 11: would put them in a sealed bucket and I would

1001
00:51:05,853 --> 00:51:08,853
Speaker 11: keep them outside as far away from the victory as

1002
00:51:08,893 --> 00:51:11,373
Speaker 11: I can until I can get rid of them.

1003
00:51:11,453 --> 00:51:14,813
Speaker 2: Oh, thanks so much for your call, Dan. This person says, Tyler,

1004
00:51:14,853 --> 00:51:17,333
Speaker 2: buy some decent power boards with surge protection and plug

1005
00:51:17,373 --> 00:51:19,413
Speaker 2: yourppliance into that. Says, you're having to worry about it.

1006
00:51:20,213 --> 00:51:22,213
Speaker 2: Another person says, so that charge that went up the

1007
00:51:22,213 --> 00:51:25,333
Speaker 2: TMU one that they were also had the under their pillow,

1008
00:51:25,413 --> 00:51:30,533
Speaker 2: didn't they. So they had the wrong TEMU cord plugged

1009
00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:32,772
Speaker 2: in to the so it was it was the wrong

1010
00:51:32,853 --> 00:51:36,453
Speaker 2: cord for the situation, and it was sitting under a pillow. So,

1011
00:51:36,493 --> 00:51:40,053
Speaker 2: I mean those are two pretty extreme circumstances. Really well, well,

1012
00:51:40,093 --> 00:51:45,013
Speaker 2: you know, to to not necessarily extreme but compounding situations,

1013
00:51:45,333 --> 00:51:47,773
Speaker 2: do not charge your phone under your pillow.

1014
00:51:47,893 --> 00:51:50,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they as you use the era that

1015
00:51:50,453 --> 00:51:54,693
Speaker 3: that is crazy. Yeah, oh one hundred eighty. Matt says

1016
00:51:54,773 --> 00:51:57,933
Speaker 3: that I am absolutely paranoid when it comes to Lithian batteries.

1017
00:51:58,013 --> 00:52:00,212
Speaker 3: Should I be love to hear from you? Nine two

1018
00:52:00,333 --> 00:52:02,893
Speaker 3: niney two is the text number. It is twenty one

1019
00:52:02,933 --> 00:52:03,453
Speaker 3: past two.

1020
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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1021
00:52:11,933 --> 00:52:14,093
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on used talk SIB.

1022
00:52:14,213 --> 00:52:16,053
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, twenty four past two.

1023
00:52:16,333 --> 00:52:18,893
Speaker 2: I'm asking you for your over being overly fearfull of

1024
00:52:18,893 --> 00:52:20,933
Speaker 2: Lithian batteries. I think if you've got the right cable

1025
00:52:20,973 --> 00:52:24,293
Speaker 2: and it's plugged in, not under your pillover beside your

1026
00:52:24,453 --> 00:52:26,573
Speaker 2: with your phone for example, or your laptop, I think

1027
00:52:26,613 --> 00:52:28,573
Speaker 2: you're fine. Maybe it goes. It's a little bit different

1028
00:52:28,613 --> 00:52:31,013
Speaker 2: when you move up to the ones for your power tools,

1029
00:52:31,453 --> 00:52:33,013
Speaker 2: just leaving them on in the garage like I do

1030
00:52:33,053 --> 00:52:35,253
Speaker 2: all the time. Maybe that's a higher risk. Maybe the

1031
00:52:35,253 --> 00:52:37,053
Speaker 2: way I leave my e bike on charging all the time,

1032
00:52:37,053 --> 00:52:39,413
Speaker 2: we're getting higher risk. But the Lithian battery beside it.

1033
00:52:39,493 --> 00:52:43,013
Speaker 2: Someone says, Matt, are you putting Tyler down for his OCD? No,

1034
00:52:43,093 --> 00:52:46,253
Speaker 2: I'm putting him down for being a whisp and worrying

1035
00:52:46,253 --> 00:52:46,813
Speaker 2: about things.

1036
00:52:46,893 --> 00:52:48,853
Speaker 3: Well, just on there. And you mentioned before how does

1037
00:52:48,853 --> 00:52:50,373
Speaker 3: my partner may feel about it, and it does a

1038
00:52:50,493 --> 00:52:53,733
Speaker 3: hidden But to me, taking that thirty seconds or maybe

1039
00:52:53,733 --> 00:52:55,772
Speaker 3: a minute to run around the house and flick everything off,

1040
00:52:55,973 --> 00:52:58,973
Speaker 3: to me, that is time well spent for any even

1041
00:52:59,013 --> 00:53:00,893
Speaker 3: if it's a small amount of risk, that to me

1042
00:53:00,973 --> 00:53:03,173
Speaker 3: is a minute, then I am happy to spend switching

1043
00:53:03,293 --> 00:53:03,772
Speaker 3: things off.

1044
00:53:03,853 --> 00:53:06,373
Speaker 2: Well, it's far more dangerous the driving in the car

1045
00:53:06,573 --> 00:53:08,173
Speaker 2: or the walking from the house to the car. And

1046
00:53:08,213 --> 00:53:10,133
Speaker 2: me and you've just got in life. There's a lot

1047
00:53:10,173 --> 00:53:12,133
Speaker 2: of risks out there, but you can't live you can't

1048
00:53:12,173 --> 00:53:12,652
Speaker 2: live in fear.

1049
00:53:12,733 --> 00:53:15,732
Speaker 3: Tyler, Well, Paul agrees with me. You think the risks

1050
00:53:15,773 --> 00:53:16,573
Speaker 3: are real, Paul.

1051
00:53:17,573 --> 00:53:17,813
Speaker 4: I do.

1052
00:53:18,653 --> 00:53:20,413
Speaker 9: Probably About a month and a half ago, I was

1053
00:53:21,253 --> 00:53:26,533
Speaker 9: on an overseas website or Canadian broadcasts or some of that,

1054
00:53:27,213 --> 00:53:30,413
Speaker 9: and they had an article about a e bite that

1055
00:53:30,573 --> 00:53:35,333
Speaker 9: week going off and the video you actually had, they

1056
00:53:35,333 --> 00:53:38,813
Speaker 9: had a little warning thing over it. The videos was

1057
00:53:38,853 --> 00:53:40,533
Speaker 9: of an Asian guy walking into the list and he

1058
00:53:40,573 --> 00:53:42,413
Speaker 9: had one of those e bites. A piece looks like

1059
00:53:42,973 --> 00:53:47,172
Speaker 9: a pup with feel old cheese door shut. The things

1060
00:53:47,253 --> 00:53:49,533
Speaker 9: starts smoking and then the whole screen. This was on

1061
00:53:49,813 --> 00:53:53,813
Speaker 9: the video that's inside the lift the list and the

1062
00:53:53,853 --> 00:53:58,533
Speaker 9: whole thing. This goes white and the next shot is

1063
00:53:58,573 --> 00:54:01,693
Speaker 9: of the first responders dragging his body out of the

1064
00:54:01,733 --> 00:54:04,573
Speaker 9: list and he's not just sadly burnt his charcoal.

1065
00:54:05,213 --> 00:54:05,533
Speaker 13: Mmm.

1066
00:54:06,493 --> 00:54:10,652
Speaker 9: Now that thing wasn't plugged into anything, and so it's

1067
00:54:10,693 --> 00:54:13,053
Speaker 9: the same as any other fire, you know when people

1068
00:54:13,093 --> 00:54:14,973
Speaker 9: say you got to have the right gears of that

1069
00:54:15,013 --> 00:54:17,732
Speaker 9: and the other. A lot of fires in houses are

1070
00:54:17,773 --> 00:54:22,173
Speaker 9: caused by electrical circuit failing. They were in schools brilliantly

1071
00:54:22,733 --> 00:54:25,933
Speaker 9: a pre period of times. Something starts breaking down, my

1072
00:54:26,093 --> 00:54:28,933
Speaker 9: skin in there or whatever else. Nothing else has gone wrong.

1073
00:54:29,333 --> 00:54:32,212
Speaker 9: It's not plugged into anything wrong, and the house five

1074
00:54:32,293 --> 00:54:33,573
Speaker 9: starts and then as I.

1075
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Speaker 2: Study, So you're going to just go back a little

1076
00:54:35,693 --> 00:54:37,213
Speaker 2: bit there, Paul. So you're saying there was someone on

1077
00:54:37,253 --> 00:54:38,893
Speaker 2: at least or where did you see this video?

1078
00:54:40,093 --> 00:54:43,133
Speaker 9: It was all one of the fine news sites I

1079
00:54:43,133 --> 00:54:46,013
Speaker 9: think for some reason, I keep saying of the Canadian

1080
00:54:46,013 --> 00:54:51,093
Speaker 9: Broadcasting CBC, I think it was or CVS Roe would

1081
00:54:51,093 --> 00:54:51,973
Speaker 9: be one of the marklands.

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00:54:52,173 --> 00:54:54,173
Speaker 2: And was a phone? Was it? Was it a phone?

1083
00:54:54,213 --> 00:54:55,933
Speaker 2: Did you say no, no, no.

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00:54:56,333 --> 00:54:59,613
Speaker 9: There's plenty of videos of phones going off or e

1085
00:54:59,813 --> 00:55:03,813
Speaker 9: cigarettes going off in people's pockets that I've done a

1086
00:55:03,813 --> 00:55:08,293
Speaker 9: hole in my trousers and my but just wasn't anybody.

1087
00:55:09,573 --> 00:55:11,813
Speaker 9: And you know when you're seeing carried and you know

1088
00:55:11,853 --> 00:55:15,533
Speaker 9: it looks like something that's what about five hundred little

1089
00:55:15,573 --> 00:55:18,253
Speaker 9: long and probably like a hundred of those.

1090
00:55:18,613 --> 00:55:21,133
Speaker 2: Square Yeah, so that's a sizable.

1091
00:55:22,093 --> 00:55:27,213
Speaker 9: Yeah, well it's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing

1092
00:55:27,413 --> 00:55:30,573
Speaker 9: is he wasn't charging it wrong. He might have been

1093
00:55:30,613 --> 00:55:32,172
Speaker 9: carrying it wrong. It might have been carrying it up

1094
00:55:32,173 --> 00:55:33,893
Speaker 9: by down before I nobody seem to be carrying it

1095
00:55:33,933 --> 00:55:37,652
Speaker 9: by the handle. And and it just went off, and

1096
00:55:38,413 --> 00:55:41,893
Speaker 9: you know that could that could have been something a

1097
00:55:41,933 --> 00:55:44,812
Speaker 9: reaction that started as soon as he unplugged on the bike,

1098
00:55:45,893 --> 00:55:48,213
Speaker 9: but it never actually ignited until he was in the

1099
00:55:48,253 --> 00:55:50,453
Speaker 9: lift and it just smoked. He sort of looked down

1100
00:55:50,453 --> 00:55:52,413
Speaker 9: at it and it's back and then the camera just

1101
00:55:52,453 --> 00:55:54,613
Speaker 9: went white.

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00:55:55,573 --> 00:55:56,732
Speaker 2: It is a terrifying story.

1103
00:55:56,813 --> 00:55:57,413
Speaker 3: It's not what you.

1104
00:55:57,373 --> 00:55:59,853
Speaker 4: Want at all, No, no, I know.

1105
00:55:59,933 --> 00:56:01,773
Speaker 9: But the what name is you know when you're when

1106
00:56:01,813 --> 00:56:03,493
Speaker 9: you say, oh, you've got to use the right plug

1107
00:56:03,493 --> 00:56:04,333
Speaker 9: and gear, unless that.

1108
00:56:05,813 --> 00:56:09,653
Speaker 2: It happened, Yeah, well, what I would can say concede

1109
00:56:09,693 --> 00:56:12,093
Speaker 2: to Tyler that he that worrying about a battery that

1110
00:56:12,213 --> 00:56:15,333
Speaker 2: size for an e bike or even power tools. What

1111
00:56:15,413 --> 00:56:18,652
Speaker 2: I'm questioning is whether Tyler needs to worry so much

1112
00:56:18,693 --> 00:56:22,453
Speaker 2: about his laptop plugged in beside his bed and his

1113
00:56:22,773 --> 00:56:25,893
Speaker 2: phone plugged in beside his bed. As long as they

1114
00:56:26,093 --> 00:56:28,933
Speaker 2: are on the on the shelf, they're not covered with

1115
00:56:28,973 --> 00:56:31,133
Speaker 2: any they don't have a blanket or a pillow over them.

1116
00:56:31,693 --> 00:56:33,973
Speaker 2: And I think, I think, I think there's bigger risks.

1117
00:56:34,693 --> 00:56:38,413
Speaker 2: You talk about rodents, rodents eating you know, electrical cable,

1118
00:56:38,453 --> 00:56:40,212
Speaker 2: So I think that's a serious risk. I think people,

1119
00:56:40,453 --> 00:56:44,293
Speaker 2: if people should regularly look behind their TV cabinet and

1120
00:56:44,333 --> 00:56:46,413
Speaker 2: see what's happening with the thousands of things plugged in

1121
00:56:46,453 --> 00:56:50,093
Speaker 2: there across your PlayStation and your and your your various

1122
00:56:50,093 --> 00:56:52,573
Speaker 2: boxes and you in your in your TV.

1123
00:56:52,933 --> 00:56:54,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's a fair point. Just on the laptop,

1124
00:56:54,973 --> 00:56:57,413
Speaker 3: there must be fail safes. If anyone knows, for my

1125
00:56:57,453 --> 00:57:00,253
Speaker 3: Apple laptop, it's plugged them downstairs, it's in the lounge

1126
00:57:00,253 --> 00:57:01,733
Speaker 3: when I go to sleep, well, it's not plugged them

1127
00:57:01,733 --> 00:57:03,933
Speaker 3: because I unplugged because I'm worried about it. But if

1128
00:57:03,973 --> 00:57:06,933
Speaker 3: there must be fail safes, multiple fail saves, if you know,

1129
00:57:07,013 --> 00:57:09,373
Speaker 3: if you're an electrician. Loved hear from you. Oh one

1130
00:57:09,493 --> 00:57:11,692
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

1131
00:57:11,573 --> 00:57:14,733
Speaker 2: Call uh This text here on nine two nine two.

1132
00:57:14,773 --> 00:57:16,893
Speaker 2: My brother lost his car to a Temu charger about

1133
00:57:16,893 --> 00:57:17,573
Speaker 2: three weeks ago.

1134
00:57:17,813 --> 00:57:18,133
Speaker 4: Cheaper.

1135
00:57:18,373 --> 00:57:21,213
Speaker 2: So there you go. There's the team moves the problem.

1136
00:57:21,813 --> 00:57:25,613
Speaker 3: It's always been the problem. It is twenty nine past two.

1137
00:57:25,693 --> 00:57:26,573
Speaker 3: Headlines coming up.

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Speaker 14: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1139
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Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. Joe Biden has pardoned

1140
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Speaker 14: his son Hunter, who was convicted this year of federal

1141
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Speaker 14: gun and tax crimes, saying he was singled out for

1142
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Speaker 14: being the President's son, which was wrong. Mainland, a poultry

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Speaker 14: managed egg farm and Otago has been put under strict

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Speaker 14: biosecurity controls after a strain of bird flu has been identified,

1145
00:57:55,173 --> 00:58:00,053
Speaker 14: not the avian influenza circulating globally. Biosecurity and Zed says,

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Speaker 14: so quickly depopulate the birds. Te pook Qui fruit labour

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00:58:04,773 --> 00:58:08,653
Speaker 14: supply company our Sad Horticulture Limited has been penal lies

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Speaker 14: to one hundred thousand dollars for underplaying employees and since

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00:58:12,693 --> 00:58:15,453
Speaker 14: paid them back in arrears. And it's now in liquidation.

1150
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:20,373
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00:58:20,413 --> 00:58:24,693
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1152
00:58:24,733 --> 00:58:28,573
Speaker 14: satellite to collect data and demonstrate our space sector's capability.

1153
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1156
00:58:42,373 --> 00:58:43,973
Speaker 14: Now back to Matt and Tyler.

1157
00:58:44,173 --> 00:58:47,173
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Wendy. We're talking about a fear

1158
00:58:47,373 --> 00:58:50,573
Speaker 3: or a rational fear of lithium batteries and cable charges.

1159
00:58:50,733 --> 00:58:52,613
Speaker 2: There is there a saying for that. What you've got

1160
00:58:52,693 --> 00:58:54,093
Speaker 2: the phobia of lithium.

1161
00:58:53,733 --> 00:58:56,053
Speaker 3: Batteries, Well maybe you know, just a fear.

1162
00:58:55,893 --> 00:58:57,893
Speaker 2: Of batteries, a fear of because you go as far

1163
00:58:57,933 --> 00:59:03,213
Speaker 2: as turning switches off on things like TVs, do you yes, yeah, yeah,

1164
00:59:03,253 --> 00:59:04,933
Speaker 2: So before you leave the house, even if it's just

1165
00:59:04,973 --> 00:59:06,893
Speaker 2: for the day or are we talking for to go

1166
00:59:06,933 --> 00:59:07,933
Speaker 2: on holiday.

1167
00:59:08,373 --> 00:59:10,293
Speaker 3: Leave the house and the dogs in the house as well.

1168
00:59:10,333 --> 00:59:12,573
Speaker 3: So that's an added thing that I'm thinking about that

1169
00:59:12,733 --> 00:59:16,733
Speaker 3: if anything happens, then Pepper's inside the house, she's not outside.

1170
00:59:17,053 --> 00:59:19,133
Speaker 3: But also There's one thing that I leave on that

1171
00:59:19,173 --> 00:59:21,213
Speaker 3: I'm happy to leave on as the WiFi. Never flick

1172
00:59:21,253 --> 00:59:21,773
Speaker 3: the WiFi.

1173
00:59:22,773 --> 00:59:25,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have to leave YouTube on for my

1174
00:59:25,373 --> 00:59:27,653
Speaker 2: dog Colin because I'll leave them on like a beautiful

1175
00:59:27,693 --> 00:59:31,373
Speaker 2: like Japanese mountain walk or you know, you know, there's

1176
00:59:31,373 --> 00:59:34,253
Speaker 2: these three videos of walks and Fiordland and stuff, so

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00:59:34,293 --> 00:59:35,893
Speaker 2: he feels like he's going for a walk. But I

1178
00:59:35,933 --> 00:59:38,373
Speaker 2: think you're crazy, and I think you're worrying about things

1179
00:59:38,413 --> 00:59:40,293
Speaker 2: you don't need to worry about, because I would never

1180
00:59:40,333 --> 00:59:42,693
Speaker 2: to flick anything off before I left the house. I

1181
00:59:42,773 --> 00:59:45,213
Speaker 2: never would even think about it, not even And you know,

1182
00:59:45,253 --> 00:59:47,773
Speaker 2: I'm right now in my garage. I've got two e

1183
00:59:47,853 --> 00:59:49,413
Speaker 2: bikes charging, and I'm not in the house. There's no

1184
00:59:49,453 --> 00:59:51,773
Speaker 2: one don't Yeah, so I don't worry about it. But

1185
00:59:52,173 --> 00:59:54,413
Speaker 2: this really bugs me because my parents were really, really

1186
00:59:54,413 --> 00:59:57,813
Speaker 2: safety conscious, and they would go around before we left

1187
00:59:57,813 --> 00:59:59,733
Speaker 2: the house and they'd flick everything off. And he used

1188
00:59:59,733 --> 01:00:01,653
Speaker 2: to drive me crazy. I'd go, come on, you're worrying

1189
01:00:01,653 --> 01:00:03,733
Speaker 2: about the wrong thing. And I was right. I was

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01:00:03,773 --> 01:00:06,133
Speaker 2: still one hundred percent right. They just had it just

1191
01:00:06,173 --> 01:00:07,933
Speaker 2: happened to be the worst people to have this bad luck.

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01:00:07,933 --> 01:00:10,853
Speaker 2: They had one of those washer dryers that washers closed

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01:00:10,893 --> 01:00:13,773
Speaker 2: and drives them. And then the one time they left

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01:00:13,773 --> 01:00:15,493
Speaker 2: that on when they left the house, it went up.

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01:00:15,373 --> 01:00:17,773
Speaker 3: And it burnt and they forgot to flick it off.

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01:00:18,173 --> 01:00:18,373
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:00:18,373 --> 01:00:19,813
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they forgot to flick it off that hor

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01:00:19,813 --> 01:00:21,613
Speaker 2: they decided not to for whatever reason, it went up,

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01:00:21,653 --> 01:00:24,173
Speaker 2: and then they used it as just vacation going forward.

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01:00:24,373 --> 01:00:27,373
Speaker 2: But I still stand by my saying that that wasn't

1201
01:00:27,373 --> 01:00:29,813
Speaker 2: a realistic risk that that was ever going to happen. Yeah,

1202
01:00:31,213 --> 01:00:33,613
Speaker 2: they wasted so much of their life turning switches off.

1203
01:00:33,653 --> 01:00:35,693
Speaker 2: They didn't need to switch it off. And I've had

1204
01:00:36,053 --> 01:00:38,653
Speaker 2: family members stay at my house and at my house

1205
01:00:38,693 --> 01:00:40,933
Speaker 2: where my rules are that you leave everything on, yep,

1206
01:00:41,413 --> 01:00:44,253
Speaker 2: and have gone round because they're so worried about it

1207
01:00:44,253 --> 01:00:45,693
Speaker 2: and it's their problem in their head and they've got

1208
01:00:45,733 --> 01:00:49,093
Speaker 2: the disorder that you have, and they'll go around and

1209
01:00:49,093 --> 01:00:50,693
Speaker 2: flick everything off of my house and I come in

1210
01:00:50,733 --> 01:00:53,253
Speaker 2: and turn on the TV's off, everything, all the settings

1211
01:00:53,253 --> 01:00:55,973
Speaker 2: are gone, and it drives me freaking mental.

1212
01:00:56,053 --> 01:00:57,813
Speaker 3: Well, I certainly wouldn't do that. I wouldn't go around

1213
01:00:57,813 --> 01:01:01,333
Speaker 3: to your house and start flicking everything off. Greg, what's

1214
01:01:01,373 --> 01:01:03,613
Speaker 3: your view on these batteries, you leave them charged.

1215
01:01:05,653 --> 01:01:06,693
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1216
01:01:06,733 --> 01:01:10,133
Speaker 17: I'm retired now, but for many years I've been a

1217
01:01:10,333 --> 01:01:17,693
Speaker 17: surveyor and the surveying equipment that I've been using all

1218
01:01:17,733 --> 01:01:23,333
Speaker 17: has lithium batteries. I have habitually left them on charging

1219
01:01:23,373 --> 01:01:26,013
Speaker 17: overnight because I need them for the following day, for

1220
01:01:26,253 --> 01:01:31,053
Speaker 17: years and years and years with no problems whatsoever. The

1221
01:01:31,533 --> 01:01:34,453
Speaker 17: one thing that I probably need to say is that

1222
01:01:35,013 --> 01:01:40,573
Speaker 17: you need to use a smart charger. The survey year

1223
01:01:40,573 --> 01:01:43,333
Speaker 17: that I was using had got quite a high tech,

1224
01:01:43,653 --> 01:01:47,053
Speaker 17: quite a high tech charger, and there is no possibility

1225
01:01:47,093 --> 01:01:49,533
Speaker 17: of it overcharging a battery. As soon as it gets

1226
01:01:49,573 --> 01:01:52,693
Speaker 17: the full charge, it just switches off or goes on

1227
01:01:52,773 --> 01:01:54,973
Speaker 17: to a like a trickle feed or something like that.

1228
01:01:55,413 --> 01:01:57,133
Speaker 2: Was that was that something you bought separately from the

1229
01:01:57,173 --> 01:01:59,133
Speaker 2: equipment or do would that come standard?

1230
01:01:59,893 --> 01:02:00,893
Speaker 18: It comes with the gear?

1231
01:02:01,053 --> 01:02:02,653
Speaker 9: Yeah, And I mean the.

1232
01:02:02,573 --> 01:02:03,453
Speaker 2: Same for traders.

1233
01:02:03,493 --> 01:02:09,253
Speaker 18: You know, tradies, All trades use lithium powered falls these days,

1234
01:02:09,333 --> 01:02:11,053
Speaker 18: and if you're going to need them the next day

1235
01:02:11,133 --> 01:02:12,613
Speaker 18: in the flat before you go to bed, you just

1236
01:02:12,653 --> 01:02:14,693
Speaker 18: got to leave them on overnight, don't you.

1237
01:02:14,773 --> 01:02:17,853
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, you certainly do. Well, some people do, not me, Greg,

1238
01:02:18,613 --> 01:02:20,453
Speaker 3: You've got the smart chargers. So you have you got

1239
01:02:20,493 --> 01:02:24,293
Speaker 3: a smart charger for all the big lithium battery powered devices.

1240
01:02:26,533 --> 01:02:29,133
Speaker 18: Well, I've just got the charger that came with the device.

1241
01:02:30,613 --> 01:02:34,053
Speaker 18: So you know, I think if you're using an accessory

1242
01:02:34,173 --> 01:02:37,613
Speaker 18: charger or perhaps another charger that you've brought off TU,

1243
01:02:38,133 --> 01:02:42,293
Speaker 18: for god's sake, Yeah, you're putting yourself in line for

1244
01:02:42,333 --> 01:02:43,093
Speaker 18: something to go wrong.

1245
01:02:43,093 --> 01:02:43,493
Speaker 7: Perhaps.

1246
01:02:43,733 --> 01:02:47,053
Speaker 18: I think the guy who's who's a e Byke battery

1247
01:02:47,373 --> 01:02:50,733
Speaker 18: went up and smoke in the lift. That's a manufacturing fault.

1248
01:02:50,773 --> 01:02:53,253
Speaker 18: I think, yeah, that's not That's not something to do

1249
01:02:53,373 --> 01:02:55,453
Speaker 18: with uh, incorrect charging or anything.

1250
01:02:56,173 --> 01:02:58,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call. If

1251
01:02:58,413 --> 01:02:59,813
Speaker 2: I'm on the same page as you, if you buy

1252
01:02:59,853 --> 01:03:02,493
Speaker 2: the right stuff, if you if you're skimping on a

1253
01:03:02,533 --> 01:03:07,253
Speaker 2: TU charger or cable, that's wrong, the wrong one, the wrong,

1254
01:03:07,613 --> 01:03:09,693
Speaker 2: it's the wrong set up. It can't take the load

1255
01:03:09,733 --> 01:03:13,253
Speaker 2: that's coming in. Then that's the problem. It's not the charging.

1256
01:03:13,293 --> 01:03:15,693
Speaker 2: As long as you're using the right charger that you

1257
01:03:15,773 --> 01:03:18,333
Speaker 2: got with the product, and it's a reputable product, then

1258
01:03:18,373 --> 01:03:21,733
Speaker 2: you should be fine. As this person person points out, Tyler,

1259
01:03:21,733 --> 01:03:23,373
Speaker 2: do you turn off the fridge when you leave the house.

1260
01:03:23,413 --> 01:03:26,653
Speaker 3: No, no, keep that running, not that the battery in

1261
01:03:26,653 --> 01:03:26,933
Speaker 3: the fridge.

1262
01:03:26,973 --> 01:03:28,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you said that you turn off your TV

1263
01:03:28,453 --> 01:03:29,253
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff.

1264
01:03:29,293 --> 01:03:31,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, turn off the TV, leave the WiFi on, but

1265
01:03:31,613 --> 01:03:32,333
Speaker 3: you just got to run.

1266
01:03:32,453 --> 01:03:33,933
Speaker 2: You're also turning the TV off at the wall.

1267
01:03:35,013 --> 01:03:36,773
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, correct, but.

1268
01:03:36,733 --> 01:03:39,533
Speaker 2: You're not but you're leaving the fridge go. It's yeah,

1269
01:03:40,813 --> 01:03:41,413
Speaker 2: logic there.

1270
01:03:41,493 --> 01:03:43,573
Speaker 3: Well, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is this

1271
01:03:43,613 --> 01:03:48,373
Speaker 3: irrational fear? I mean for me, I just when it

1272
01:03:48,413 --> 01:03:52,733
Speaker 3: comes to in anything that has a potential small risk

1273
01:03:52,773 --> 01:03:55,093
Speaker 3: at catching fire in the house. Yes, I mean, this

1274
01:03:55,173 --> 01:03:57,213
Speaker 3: is why we're having this discussion, right, But we see

1275
01:03:57,213 --> 01:04:00,533
Speaker 3: stories like this about cheap charges and lithium batteries and

1276
01:04:00,573 --> 01:04:03,373
Speaker 3: even the enter islander. I'm reading this that they've changed

1277
01:04:03,413 --> 01:04:06,893
Speaker 3: their their rules when bringing on an EV that it

1278
01:04:06,973 --> 01:04:10,173
Speaker 3: shouldn't be rapid charge for at least two hours before checking.

1279
01:04:10,373 --> 01:04:12,413
Speaker 3: Then I mentioned the storage shed that doesn't like me

1280
01:04:12,693 --> 01:04:14,053
Speaker 3: storing my e bikes in there.

1281
01:04:14,253 --> 01:04:14,893
Speaker 2: Then it all.

1282
01:04:14,773 --> 01:04:16,933
Speaker 3: Starts to play into the fact that I've just got

1283
01:04:16,933 --> 01:04:17,493
Speaker 3: to be a bit.

1284
01:04:17,413 --> 01:04:20,573
Speaker 2: Careful this person. Here a text on ninet two nine two,

1285
01:04:20,933 --> 01:04:23,053
Speaker 2: we lost our house in all contents a few years

1286
01:04:23,133 --> 01:04:25,013
Speaker 2: back and in our new house. I've never even thought

1287
01:04:25,013 --> 01:04:26,093
Speaker 2: about turning anything off.

1288
01:04:26,213 --> 01:04:28,213
Speaker 3: Here you go, all right, okay, Well we're going to

1289
01:04:28,253 --> 01:04:30,973
Speaker 3: have a chat to Ross very shortly, and he says

1290
01:04:30,973 --> 01:04:32,573
Speaker 3: he nearly lost his house, so this is going to

1291
01:04:32,573 --> 01:04:34,773
Speaker 3: be interesting. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If

1292
01:04:34,813 --> 01:04:36,293
Speaker 3: you want to jump in on this one, it is

1293
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Speaker 3: twenty one to three.

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01:04:39,213 --> 01:04:42,533
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty

1295
01:04:42,613 --> 01:04:46,293
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four news

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01:04:46,373 --> 01:04:47,253
Speaker 1: Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be I'm still reeling from your fear of electricity. I

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01:04:52,613 --> 01:04:56,453
Speaker 2: feel like it's I met. I once saw this, this

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01:04:56,533 --> 01:04:59,693
Speaker 2: newspaper article when electricity was first being plugged into houses,

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01:04:59,733 --> 01:05:02,333
Speaker 2: and there was a political cartoon and it had the

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01:05:02,373 --> 01:05:04,493
Speaker 2: electricity just pouring into the house because someone had left

1302
01:05:04,533 --> 01:05:05,293
Speaker 2: it on like a tap.

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01:05:05,373 --> 01:05:05,573
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:05:05,573 --> 01:05:07,533
Speaker 2: I feel like you're operating in that level, which I

1305
01:05:07,573 --> 01:05:10,173
Speaker 2: think is concerning because your dad's an electrician and you

1306
01:05:10,213 --> 01:05:12,733
Speaker 2: should be able to you should. But I've got you know,

1307
01:05:12,853 --> 01:05:16,493
Speaker 2: on the fringes of your fear. Tyler, would you leave

1308
01:05:16,733 --> 01:05:19,053
Speaker 2: the Christmas tree lights flashing when you're out of the house?

1309
01:05:19,133 --> 01:05:21,173
Speaker 3: Pick No, no way, no.

1310
01:05:21,413 --> 01:05:23,773
Speaker 2: Doesn't it? But isn't One of the joys of Christmas

1311
01:05:24,173 --> 01:05:26,013
Speaker 2: is when you come back at night and you and

1312
01:05:26,053 --> 01:05:28,213
Speaker 2: you walk into the lounge and the lights are flashing,

1313
01:05:28,213 --> 01:05:30,573
Speaker 2: and you just get that wonder of Christmas coming over you. Yeah,

1314
01:05:30,573 --> 01:05:33,853
Speaker 2: that's beautiful, but your fear is taking that wonder from you.

1315
01:05:33,973 --> 01:05:36,293
Speaker 3: But I can just walk through the door and flick

1316
01:05:36,533 --> 01:05:37,653
Speaker 3: then I get that wonder.

1317
01:05:37,733 --> 01:05:38,013
Speaker 4: Justice.

1318
01:05:38,053 --> 01:05:40,733
Speaker 2: It's not the same as the as the wonder surprising

1319
01:05:40,773 --> 01:05:43,413
Speaker 2: you when you walk in the door and you go, oh, Christmas,

1320
01:05:43,413 --> 01:05:45,933
Speaker 2: the Christmas lights flashing. But you're like, and your poor partner,

1321
01:05:45,933 --> 01:05:47,813
Speaker 2: she's like, she gets that taken off her as well,

1322
01:05:48,133 --> 01:05:49,813
Speaker 2: and then you have to go ooh, flicking on and

1323
01:05:49,813 --> 01:05:51,093
Speaker 2: go there you go. The wonder's lost.

1324
01:05:51,093 --> 01:05:53,813
Speaker 3: By that point, the continuous wonder of the Christmas lights

1325
01:05:53,893 --> 01:05:57,613
Speaker 3: is lost. Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty takes here

1326
01:05:57,653 --> 01:06:00,173
Speaker 3: from Kate Kiday. Guys, I am just like you, Tyler.

1327
01:06:00,253 --> 01:06:03,693
Speaker 3: Everything goes off when I'm out and at night, when asleep,

1328
01:06:03,733 --> 01:06:06,373
Speaker 3: I do not leave my phone on charge. It's not

1329
01:06:06,413 --> 01:06:09,093
Speaker 3: that I'm living in fear. It's just that I see

1330
01:06:09,133 --> 01:06:11,613
Speaker 3: so many of these stories that I can't take the

1331
01:06:11,653 --> 01:06:12,053
Speaker 3: rest of.

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01:06:11,973 --> 01:06:13,853
Speaker 2: You, you're living in fear. That's what living in fear

1333
01:06:13,973 --> 01:06:15,093
Speaker 2: is right.

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01:06:17,373 --> 01:06:21,773
Speaker 19: Yeah, very well, interesting conversation. So brief as I can

1335
01:06:21,893 --> 01:06:26,213
Speaker 19: my story. We fostered a boy a number of years ago.

1336
01:06:26,333 --> 01:06:28,333
Speaker 19: He was a bit special needs. He got a job,

1337
01:06:28,413 --> 01:06:30,333
Speaker 19: he couldn't sit a license, so we got on one

1338
01:06:30,373 --> 01:06:34,053
Speaker 19: of those cool scooters that you sit on. They look

1339
01:06:34,173 --> 01:06:36,293
Speaker 19: like a bit of a chopp are those kind of things.

1340
01:06:37,173 --> 01:06:41,773
Speaker 19: It was great. He was living independently and he said, oh, Dad, well,

1341
01:06:41,853 --> 01:06:44,053
Speaker 19: scooter's not charging. So I chucked in the van board

1342
01:06:44,093 --> 01:06:46,533
Speaker 19: it around home. I thought I'll test it out, so

1343
01:06:46,573 --> 01:06:48,853
Speaker 19: I put it on the charger and the garage in

1344
01:06:48,893 --> 01:06:51,453
Speaker 19: the afternoon, I was about to jump in the spar pool.

1345
01:06:51,493 --> 01:06:53,733
Speaker 19: My wife was about the stairs or in the kitchen.

1346
01:06:53,893 --> 01:06:57,533
Speaker 19: He's popping sound, Oh what's that. We'll go out in

1347
01:06:57,573 --> 01:07:01,173
Speaker 19: the garage and it's on fire. Fortunately we had the

1348
01:07:01,173 --> 01:07:05,613
Speaker 19: garage door and the dog gapped it. And amazingly, I

1349
01:07:05,653 --> 01:07:08,933
Speaker 19: had a small and it was a commercial fire exte right,

1350
01:07:09,013 --> 01:07:11,773
Speaker 19: so not the small kitchen one, but the next one

1351
01:07:11,853 --> 01:07:14,813
Speaker 19: art that you'll see in an office, And so I

1352
01:07:14,933 --> 01:07:18,653
Speaker 19: grabbed this thing and I unloaded the whole thing. Right,

1353
01:07:18,693 --> 01:07:22,333
Speaker 19: So this is a substantial fire extinguisher and it went

1354
01:07:22,453 --> 01:07:25,293
Speaker 19: down and I thought great, and it was about by

1355
01:07:25,293 --> 01:07:27,693
Speaker 19: this time it was nearly up to my ceiling. I

1356
01:07:27,773 --> 01:07:30,333
Speaker 19: had tents and all sorts of rubbish it, you know,

1357
01:07:30,373 --> 01:07:33,253
Speaker 19: as you do in a garage. And I got it

1358
01:07:33,293 --> 01:07:35,693
Speaker 19: down to about flames, sort of about the height of

1359
01:07:35,813 --> 01:07:38,573
Speaker 19: I don't know, five inches or something, and I thought,

1360
01:07:38,573 --> 01:07:41,173
Speaker 19: oh great, I've sorted it. And it just took off again,

1361
01:07:41,933 --> 01:07:45,813
Speaker 19: and I just thought, it's it's the scooter or my house,

1362
01:07:46,053 --> 01:07:47,853
Speaker 19: and so I went around the back of it and

1363
01:07:47,933 --> 01:07:50,573
Speaker 19: I grabbed it, and it was hot, and I thought,

1364
01:07:50,573 --> 01:07:52,653
Speaker 19: it's my hands on my house, and I grabbed it

1365
01:07:52,853 --> 01:07:55,533
Speaker 19: and I pulled this thing with all my strength. I

1366
01:07:55,693 --> 01:07:57,653
Speaker 19: dragged it out of the garage shirt and the driveway

1367
01:07:57,693 --> 01:08:01,173
Speaker 19: burned all the skin off my fingers. By that time,

1368
01:08:01,293 --> 01:08:03,653
Speaker 19: all the alarms are going off. I'm screaming at the

1369
01:08:03,653 --> 01:08:06,493
Speaker 19: neighbor's wife's called the police, and I just went int

1370
01:08:06,493 --> 01:08:13,013
Speaker 19: the shock. Sorry a little emotional, actually, yeah. And I

1371
01:08:13,093 --> 01:08:16,893
Speaker 19: ended up in hospital with smoke in elation. But the

1372
01:08:16,973 --> 01:08:20,853
Speaker 19: point being I had a commercial fire extinguisher and it

1373
01:08:20,933 --> 01:08:24,492
Speaker 19: didn't and it didn't put it out, and so.

1374
01:08:25,093 --> 01:08:26,812
Speaker 2: It was that was that was that the official So

1375
01:08:26,853 --> 01:08:30,652
Speaker 2: that that was just the official charger for that official

1376
01:08:30,732 --> 01:08:31,333
Speaker 2: little student.

1377
01:08:31,492 --> 01:08:36,973
Speaker 19: Yeah, it was, and they ended up it was quite interesting,

1378
01:08:37,652 --> 01:08:39,612
Speaker 19: you know, it was. It was a cool country to

1379
01:08:39,652 --> 01:08:42,973
Speaker 19: do where they refunded us completely. You know, we just

1380
01:08:43,053 --> 01:08:45,732
Speaker 19: gave them all the information and told them what had happened.

1381
01:08:46,013 --> 01:08:48,372
Speaker 19: And look, I don't know. My foster son, he used

1382
01:08:48,372 --> 01:08:50,452
Speaker 19: to get pretty creative with stuff, you know. I don't

1383
01:08:50,492 --> 01:08:52,732
Speaker 19: I don't know, you know, I don't want to blame anyone,

1384
01:08:52,812 --> 01:08:55,652
Speaker 19: but you know the point being, I sort of sit

1385
01:08:55,732 --> 01:08:58,093
Speaker 19: a bit in the middle. So for me, I don't thought.

1386
01:08:58,173 --> 01:09:00,892
Speaker 19: We call them chemic hoosers, you know, the kind of

1387
01:09:02,053 --> 01:09:05,692
Speaker 19: odd brands like not your mainstream stuff. All my pan tools,

1388
01:09:05,973 --> 01:09:09,492
Speaker 19: they're all de Walt, Makita for even brands. I'll give

1389
01:09:09,532 --> 01:09:12,933
Speaker 19: you another real quick example. My wife, she tends to

1390
01:09:13,013 --> 01:09:14,812
Speaker 19: run a bit of the Scottish blood. She always looks

1391
01:09:14,812 --> 01:09:17,293
Speaker 19: for a deal. So she goes up to the little

1392
01:09:17,372 --> 01:09:22,293
Speaker 19: kiosk and the and the malls to get replacement batteries

1393
01:09:22,333 --> 01:09:25,173
Speaker 19: and screen savers for a mobile. I always go to

1394
01:09:25,412 --> 01:09:28,812
Speaker 19: literally iPhone, and she got she had an iPhone, she

1395
01:09:28,853 --> 01:09:31,412
Speaker 19: got one of those charges from the mall. She upgraded

1396
01:09:31,452 --> 01:09:34,012
Speaker 19: it and just put the old one in the drawer

1397
01:09:34,093 --> 01:09:35,772
Speaker 19: and it would have been two years later and we're

1398
01:09:35,812 --> 01:09:39,013
Speaker 19: cleaning out the drawer and the thing had just for

1399
01:09:39,093 --> 01:09:42,093
Speaker 19: no reason at all. It wasn't plugged in. It had

1400
01:09:42,173 --> 01:09:46,293
Speaker 19: just heated up first and cracked the iPhone completely open

1401
01:09:46,772 --> 01:09:50,452
Speaker 19: and was literally had it literally melted the plastic. And

1402
01:09:50,532 --> 01:09:53,333
Speaker 19: this was in the drawer after she just didn't use

1403
01:09:53,372 --> 01:09:53,932
Speaker 19: it anymore.

1404
01:09:54,133 --> 01:09:57,692
Speaker 2: It was but it was plugged into the phone, but

1405
01:09:57,732 --> 01:09:58,532
Speaker 2: not plugged into.

1406
01:09:58,412 --> 01:10:01,492
Speaker 19: Thee No, it was not plugged into anything. It was

1407
01:10:01,612 --> 01:10:04,532
Speaker 19: just one of those cheap batteries that you get from

1408
01:10:04,532 --> 01:10:06,772
Speaker 19: one of those kiosks at the at the mall. That's

1409
01:10:06,853 --> 01:10:09,612
Speaker 19: not so it was an iPhone. But for me, I'll

1410
01:10:09,652 --> 01:10:13,012
Speaker 19: always get an iPhone battery. I always go with the brand.

1411
01:10:13,612 --> 01:10:15,652
Speaker 19: So I sit a little bit in between. I wouldn't

1412
01:10:15,732 --> 01:10:19,053
Speaker 19: leave my Christmas lights on overnight, you would. The other

1413
01:10:19,093 --> 01:10:19,572
Speaker 19: thing is.

1414
01:10:20,692 --> 01:10:22,572
Speaker 2: And so sorry, just go back with seeking ross. So

1415
01:10:22,652 --> 01:10:24,692
Speaker 2: you wouldn't leave your Christmas lights on overnight?

1416
01:10:25,412 --> 01:10:28,532
Speaker 19: No, not overnight. And we've got smoke detectors. But I'll

1417
01:10:28,532 --> 01:10:30,372
Speaker 19: tell you one of the biggest house was I think

1418
01:10:30,532 --> 01:10:31,253
Speaker 19: don't quite need.

1419
01:10:31,253 --> 01:10:32,093
Speaker 9: But as dishwashers.

1420
01:10:32,133 --> 01:10:35,372
Speaker 19: Actually they're really praying, especially they're especially the old ones.

1421
01:10:35,452 --> 01:10:35,892
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1422
01:10:36,253 --> 01:10:38,732
Speaker 19: But someone might be able to correct me on this. So,

1423
01:10:38,853 --> 01:10:42,532
Speaker 19: once upon a time, imported electronics goods used to have

1424
01:10:43,013 --> 01:10:45,412
Speaker 19: standards approved. I don't know if that's still a thing,

1425
01:10:45,853 --> 01:10:49,052
Speaker 19: but I did work in this industry a long time ago,

1426
01:10:50,053 --> 01:10:52,293
Speaker 19: and when you imported stuff it had to sort of,

1427
01:10:52,452 --> 01:10:54,932
Speaker 19: you know, go through the paces of the local standards.

1428
01:10:54,933 --> 01:10:56,492
Speaker 19: So I don't know if that's still a thing, but

1429
01:10:57,093 --> 01:10:59,732
Speaker 19: you know, you know, if you're buying Christmas lights, buy

1430
01:10:59,853 --> 01:11:03,452
Speaker 19: them from mine to ten, you know, reputable companies that

1431
01:11:03,532 --> 01:11:07,052
Speaker 19: are likely to have done the homework. I wouldn't play

1432
01:11:07,133 --> 01:11:10,212
Speaker 19: anything like that online. I'm you know, the little chaos

1433
01:11:10,253 --> 01:11:13,013
Speaker 19: and the electronics not infinantely not so.

1434
01:11:14,812 --> 01:11:18,372
Speaker 2: And how's your hand? Your hand recovered completely and came back.

1435
01:11:18,572 --> 01:11:22,333
Speaker 19: It was like a chemical peel, but on my hands. Yeah,

1436
01:11:22,372 --> 01:11:25,933
Speaker 19: but terrphone mate, it wasn't pleasant.

1437
01:11:26,572 --> 01:11:28,053
Speaker 2: I can't imagine. I will thank you so much for

1438
01:11:28,053 --> 01:11:30,532
Speaker 2: your call. Ross. Yeah, I mean, I love Look, I

1439
01:11:31,253 --> 01:11:34,253
Speaker 2: am not fearful. I'm not a fearful person. But but

1440
01:11:34,652 --> 01:11:37,532
Speaker 2: I do actually currently have two e bikes plugged under

1441
01:11:37,572 --> 01:11:39,492
Speaker 2: my garage at home, and that story from Ross did

1442
01:11:39,572 --> 01:11:41,333
Speaker 2: make me a little bit. So anyway, I'm going to

1443
01:11:41,372 --> 01:11:42,652
Speaker 2: hit home now and unplaying that.

1444
01:11:43,372 --> 01:11:44,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see you back in half an hour.

1445
01:11:45,133 --> 01:11:47,852
Speaker 2: But right now my Christmas lights are flashing away in

1446
01:11:47,893 --> 01:11:51,612
Speaker 2: my house. Yep, the TV's on to Colin's there. Colin's there.

1447
01:11:51,652 --> 01:11:53,532
Speaker 2: The TV's on, so my dog Colin's there. So if

1448
01:11:53,532 --> 01:11:55,172
Speaker 2: there's any problems, he'll ring the fire department.

1449
01:11:55,452 --> 01:11:57,652
Speaker 3: He's a good boy. He's a good boy. But just

1450
01:11:57,692 --> 01:11:59,452
Speaker 3: on the phone thing, I never thought about it as

1451
01:11:59,492 --> 01:12:03,532
Speaker 3: I've got a refurbished iPhone, so that means that it

1452
01:12:03,652 --> 01:12:05,852
Speaker 3: was an iPhone that was defective. Then it went to

1453
01:12:05,893 --> 01:12:09,093
Speaker 3: get repaired by an authorized reseller. Now I'm a bit

1454
01:12:09,133 --> 01:12:11,093
Speaker 3: worried that the battery in this thing is not up

1455
01:12:11,093 --> 01:12:14,852
Speaker 3: to scratch. But maybe maybe look, you hear Ross's story,

1456
01:12:14,853 --> 01:12:17,412
Speaker 3: and that is as bad as it gets. But I

1457
01:12:17,532 --> 01:12:19,612
Speaker 3: get you know, when I'm leaving the frid John and

1458
01:12:19,652 --> 01:12:21,452
Speaker 3: I didn't know about the dishwasher. I left the dish

1459
01:12:21,532 --> 01:12:24,093
Speaker 3: washer on, So maybe I just got to cut the

1460
01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:25,093
Speaker 3: manes from now on.

1461
01:12:25,253 --> 01:12:28,812
Speaker 2: Well, shall we put your iPhone in a glass of

1462
01:12:28,853 --> 01:12:31,492
Speaker 2: water just so you're not scared that it's going to

1463
01:12:31,532 --> 01:12:32,772
Speaker 2: go up? And should we turn all the lights off

1464
01:12:32,812 --> 01:12:34,253
Speaker 2: in the studio and all these screens off?

1465
01:12:34,253 --> 01:12:35,652
Speaker 3: Shall we we'll just fling it out in the window.

1466
01:12:35,772 --> 01:12:35,972
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1467
01:12:36,013 --> 01:12:38,253
Speaker 3: Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1468
01:12:38,412 --> 01:12:41,132
Speaker 3: number to call back in a moment. It is eleven

1469
01:12:41,173 --> 01:12:43,893
Speaker 3: to three.

1470
01:12:43,853 --> 01:12:46,293
Speaker 4: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1471
01:12:46,333 --> 01:12:46,972
Speaker 4: along the way.

1472
01:12:47,173 --> 01:12:50,932
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four.

1473
01:12:51,053 --> 01:12:52,013
Speaker 4: You've talked said be.

1474
01:12:53,492 --> 01:12:56,892
Speaker 3: Eight to three, Darren, what you're feeling about flicking everything

1475
01:12:56,933 --> 01:12:58,012
Speaker 3: off and liftian batteries.

1476
01:13:00,173 --> 01:13:03,452
Speaker 20: I get both sides of the conversation. I'm probably more lean.

1477
01:13:03,532 --> 01:13:06,052
Speaker 20: I don't turn anything off at night. I can sleep

1478
01:13:06,053 --> 01:13:08,692
Speaker 20: all right without it. But I understand why people. But

1479
01:13:08,732 --> 01:13:10,452
Speaker 20: I worked with the guy that he used to turn

1480
01:13:10,492 --> 01:13:13,293
Speaker 20: stuff off similar to yourself, religiously. When he left home

1481
01:13:13,333 --> 01:13:17,092
Speaker 20: each day he reckons. He saved about fifteen to twenty

1482
01:13:17,133 --> 01:13:19,333
Speaker 20: bucks a month. That was really his driver. But then

1483
01:13:19,372 --> 01:13:22,173
Speaker 20: there was also the safety. But what he did was

1484
01:13:22,293 --> 01:13:25,173
Speaker 20: just getting clarification back with your dishwasher or your fridge,

1485
01:13:25,173 --> 01:13:27,133
Speaker 20: why aren't you turning that off? Because they're not on

1486
01:13:27,173 --> 01:13:29,452
Speaker 20: steam by power. He used to turn everything off on

1487
01:13:29,532 --> 01:13:34,452
Speaker 20: steam by powers like common sense approach too, I'd say

1488
01:13:35,293 --> 01:13:37,572
Speaker 20: most people, And this is probably where my opinion comes

1489
01:13:37,612 --> 01:13:40,133
Speaker 20: in it's trust. All the trust has got. All these

1490
01:13:40,173 --> 01:13:43,093
Speaker 20: things are mass produced by the gazillions, and the bloke

1491
01:13:43,173 --> 01:13:46,053
Speaker 20: that's or the person that's putting it together, he's on

1492
01:13:46,133 --> 01:13:49,093
Speaker 20: some sort of KPI or performance based incentive. They don't

1493
01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:52,053
Speaker 20: really care whether the thing works or not because they

1494
01:13:52,053 --> 01:13:54,452
Speaker 20: know it's covered with a warranty wherever it's issued.

1495
01:13:54,133 --> 01:13:54,772
Speaker 4: Around the world.

1496
01:13:54,853 --> 01:13:57,973
Speaker 20: So there's just attitude. People's attitude in general, from the

1497
01:13:58,013 --> 01:13:59,852
Speaker 20: start of the process to the product that he made

1498
01:13:59,933 --> 01:14:02,613
Speaker 20: to the consumer buying it. There's no trust.

1499
01:14:03,572 --> 01:14:07,932
Speaker 2: The incidification of products, I mean, that's a really interesting thing.

1500
01:14:07,933 --> 01:14:11,012
Speaker 2: How the the quality of everything is decreasing so rapidly.

1501
01:14:11,093 --> 01:14:13,652
Speaker 2: That's a whole nother thing. It happens across digital platforms,

1502
01:14:13,652 --> 01:14:16,772
Speaker 2: but it's also happening with electronics. There is a lowering

1503
01:14:16,893 --> 01:14:19,852
Speaker 2: quality across the board, which is a bit bit scary.

1504
01:14:19,973 --> 01:14:21,452
Speaker 2: But I would say with that that made of yours,

1505
01:14:21,452 --> 01:14:24,412
Speaker 2: that saved money. But he has also just going around

1506
01:14:24,412 --> 01:14:26,372
Speaker 2: and that extra time you spend in your life going

1507
01:14:26,412 --> 01:14:29,492
Speaker 2: and flicking everything off, that's got to cost your life

1508
01:14:29,532 --> 01:14:29,932
Speaker 2: as well.

1509
01:14:31,532 --> 01:14:34,452
Speaker 20: I don't think most people that take ninety seconds of

1510
01:14:34,532 --> 01:14:36,852
Speaker 20: their whole life for remember ninety seconds of your whole

1511
01:14:36,853 --> 01:14:40,173
Speaker 20: life is really not much time at all considering you

1512
01:14:40,213 --> 01:14:42,013
Speaker 20: know how much trouble a hassle you're going to have

1513
01:14:42,053 --> 01:14:44,892
Speaker 20: with the insurance companies because they're they're all on the

1514
01:14:45,772 --> 01:14:48,173
Speaker 20: say no first instance and everything. I know I'm sounding

1515
01:14:48,173 --> 01:14:50,133
Speaker 20: a little bit negative, but this is a reality. You

1516
01:14:50,173 --> 01:14:51,892
Speaker 20: go to your insurance company. It ain't no walk in

1517
01:14:51,893 --> 01:14:53,892
Speaker 20: the park to try and get acclaim done. So I

1518
01:14:54,013 --> 01:14:56,973
Speaker 20: personally think Tyler's taking the right approach by turning them off,

1519
01:14:56,973 --> 01:14:57,972
Speaker 20: because what's ninety seconds?

1520
01:14:57,973 --> 01:14:59,253
Speaker 3: Are you good on your Darren?

1521
01:14:59,293 --> 01:15:01,692
Speaker 2: I like you, I thank you. Guys are living in fear.

1522
01:15:02,173 --> 01:15:04,612
Speaker 3: We see how hard I am anyway, I just.

1523
01:15:04,732 --> 01:15:06,412
Speaker 2: Look, I can't even but I don't even believe that

1524
01:15:06,452 --> 01:15:08,652
Speaker 2: this exists, is a real thing. When Tyler saying it

1525
01:15:08,652 --> 01:15:11,093
Speaker 2: to me, I thought he was joking that out there,

1526
01:15:11,093 --> 01:15:13,333
Speaker 2: out there, I remember my parents doing and I thought

1527
01:15:13,333 --> 01:15:14,933
Speaker 2: that they were the only people in the world that

1528
01:15:14,973 --> 01:15:18,652
Speaker 2: did it. Yeah, it blows my mind. And that's quite incredible.

1529
01:15:18,692 --> 01:15:21,972
Speaker 3: Now, Chris can't hold on. But Chris, get mate, you're

1530
01:15:21,973 --> 01:15:23,132
Speaker 3: an insurance loss adjuster.

1531
01:15:25,452 --> 01:15:30,733
Speaker 21: I was as high guys here, I wasn't insurance loss

1532
01:15:30,732 --> 01:15:34,253
Speaker 21: of adjuster and assessor for twenty odd years and up

1533
01:15:34,372 --> 01:15:39,572
Speaker 21: until semi retired. At this stage, I was and still

1534
01:15:39,612 --> 01:15:44,412
Speaker 21: am a insurance risk management survey great now we go

1535
01:15:44,452 --> 01:15:45,973
Speaker 21: around looking at commercials.

1536
01:15:46,492 --> 01:15:48,333
Speaker 3: This is good, Chris, we don't have long But what

1537
01:15:48,532 --> 01:15:50,412
Speaker 3: is the view of insurance companies when it comes to

1538
01:15:50,452 --> 01:15:52,133
Speaker 3: lithian batteries and other electronics.

1539
01:15:53,893 --> 01:15:58,452
Speaker 21: That's as much precautions as you can. I have seen

1540
01:15:58,572 --> 01:16:02,812
Speaker 21: a number of incidents where litium batteries, especially on things

1541
01:16:02,853 --> 01:16:07,173
Speaker 21: like scooters and knee bikes, have gone up in flames,

1542
01:16:07,973 --> 01:16:11,572
Speaker 21: especially when they've been charged overnight. It's always a problem

1543
01:16:12,053 --> 01:16:14,892
Speaker 21: over and the one more of a problem overnight because

1544
01:16:15,013 --> 01:16:18,492
Speaker 21: you just don't know when it's going to happen. Yes,

1545
01:16:18,572 --> 01:16:21,452
Speaker 21: smoke senses help, but you just never know.

1546
01:16:23,333 --> 01:16:26,293
Speaker 2: Its an insurance company. If you're a lifting battery went

1547
01:16:26,412 --> 01:16:28,732
Speaker 2: up overnight and you were following all the rules of

1548
01:16:28,732 --> 01:16:31,452
Speaker 2: your living in battery, then they would question paying out

1549
01:16:31,492 --> 01:16:34,412
Speaker 2: on if your house burns down.

1550
01:16:36,093 --> 01:16:40,173
Speaker 21: No, No, they were certainly making inquiries about it, but

1551
01:16:40,692 --> 01:16:45,333
Speaker 21: I would if you are doing everything that you should do,

1552
01:16:46,772 --> 01:16:49,092
Speaker 21: there is no reason why they would not pay out

1553
01:16:49,253 --> 01:16:53,652
Speaker 21: for the for the actual problem and any resultant damage.

1554
01:16:55,253 --> 01:16:58,933
Speaker 21: I don't have any crimes there. What I'm saying to

1555
01:16:59,173 --> 01:17:03,412
Speaker 21: you guys, and is that you need to take all

1556
01:17:03,452 --> 01:17:07,572
Speaker 21: the precautions yourself. The other guy mentioned that he had

1557
01:17:07,612 --> 01:17:10,572
Speaker 21: a a battery that went up in flames and couldn't

1558
01:17:10,572 --> 01:17:14,372
Speaker 21: put it out with an ordinary finguisher. Just there is

1559
01:17:14,492 --> 01:17:17,612
Speaker 21: only one fire extinguisher in the world, but as far

1560
01:17:17,652 --> 01:17:21,133
Speaker 21: as I'm aware, it's only just been manufactured that will

1561
01:17:21,173 --> 01:17:24,773
Speaker 21: put it out. Letian batteries, Chris.

1562
01:17:24,572 --> 01:17:26,532
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. We're out of time, but that

1563
01:17:26,812 --> 01:17:29,452
Speaker 3: is fascinating. I mean, you made a good point there

1564
01:17:29,612 --> 01:17:32,053
Speaker 3: that if something goes wrong with your Lithian battery and

1565
01:17:32,093 --> 01:17:34,293
Speaker 3: you're ensured, they'll still pay out. Yeah, but it's taking

1566
01:17:34,333 --> 01:17:36,652
Speaker 3: every precaution that you can, which I think most.

1567
01:17:36,452 --> 01:17:39,652
Speaker 2: Of every precaution you can. I mean, that's that's I mean,

1568
01:17:39,652 --> 01:17:40,893
Speaker 2: you can take a lot of precautions.

1569
01:17:40,973 --> 01:17:41,572
Speaker 3: You said we can.

1570
01:17:41,933 --> 01:17:44,173
Speaker 2: You can't live in fear. But we'll talk to fear

1571
01:17:44,173 --> 01:17:47,572
Speaker 2: and fire and fear and emergency, fire an emergency and

1572
01:17:47,612 --> 01:17:49,692
Speaker 2: get the official word on this after the break and

1573
01:17:49,853 --> 01:17:53,452
Speaker 2: keep your calls coming through. At eighteen eighty Is Tyler

1574
01:17:53,572 --> 01:17:54,293
Speaker 2: a freak.

1575
01:17:56,093 --> 01:17:58,572
Speaker 3: Or am I just wise? New Sport and weather weather

1576
01:17:58,692 --> 01:18:03,572
Speaker 3: coming up. You're listening to Mett and Tyler good afternoon,

1577
01:18:03,612 --> 01:18:08,093
Speaker 3: Welcome back. We are talking about my fear, irrational or otherwise,

1578
01:18:08,133 --> 01:18:11,333
Speaker 3: over lithium batteries and switching pretty much everything off in

1579
01:18:11,372 --> 01:18:12,013
Speaker 3: the household.

1580
01:18:12,173 --> 01:18:16,173
Speaker 2: And what started this? That started a fire caused by

1581
01:18:16,452 --> 01:18:20,012
Speaker 2: a cheap, rubbishy charging cable that was the wrong cable

1582
01:18:20,133 --> 01:18:22,533
Speaker 2: for a lithium battery bone.

1583
01:18:22,333 --> 01:18:24,812
Speaker 3: Yeah correct, Yeah, and I know you know that's a

1584
01:18:24,812 --> 01:18:27,053
Speaker 3: little bit different to the lithium batteries. I'm kind of

1585
01:18:27,093 --> 01:18:31,372
Speaker 3: scared of both one items from TIMU, but mostly around

1586
01:18:31,412 --> 01:18:34,372
Speaker 3: the lithium batteries. And you're quite right. The reason that

1587
01:18:34,492 --> 01:18:38,052
Speaker 3: I have got a fear of lithium batteries in general

1588
01:18:38,173 --> 01:18:41,053
Speaker 3: is because of the headlines, like you know, similar to

1589
01:18:41,093 --> 01:18:44,732
Speaker 3: this about the electric bike batteries that are starting fires

1590
01:18:44,772 --> 01:18:46,293
Speaker 3: in various homes and apartments.

1591
01:18:46,812 --> 01:18:47,052
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1592
01:18:47,093 --> 01:18:50,572
Speaker 2: Well, what concerns me most about this is that you're

1593
01:18:50,612 --> 01:18:54,372
Speaker 2: making your lovely partner wait in the car well, you're

1594
01:18:54,452 --> 01:18:57,692
Speaker 2: running around the house turning off all the electrics. The

1595
01:18:57,692 --> 01:19:00,733
Speaker 2: fact that you don't even allow your Christmas lights to flash.

1596
01:19:01,812 --> 01:19:04,133
Speaker 3: Can see killer.

1597
01:19:04,812 --> 01:19:07,732
Speaker 2: I just think that the risk ratio is not high

1598
01:19:07,853 --> 01:19:09,492
Speaker 2: enough for you to bother with that kind of thing.

1599
01:19:09,612 --> 01:19:11,253
Speaker 3: I'm going to text her and say how do you

1600
01:19:11,253 --> 01:19:13,532
Speaker 3: feel about my switching everything off every time we go

1601
01:19:13,572 --> 01:19:14,253
Speaker 3: out of the house.

1602
01:19:14,933 --> 01:19:16,892
Speaker 2: Respond because my parents used to do that and used

1603
01:19:16,893 --> 01:19:19,053
Speaker 2: to drive me crazy so long for everyone to leave

1604
01:19:19,093 --> 01:19:22,452
Speaker 2: the house, And I think the risk of wasting people's time,

1605
01:19:22,532 --> 01:19:25,852
Speaker 2: including your own, is far worse than the risk of

1606
01:19:25,893 --> 01:19:27,173
Speaker 2: the Christmas light's going up.

1607
01:19:27,333 --> 01:19:29,253
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:19:29,293 --> 01:19:31,412
Speaker 3: to call, George. What's your view on this?

1609
01:19:32,253 --> 01:19:34,293
Speaker 6: Well, I think Matt just can't be bothered. But anyway,

1610
01:19:34,692 --> 01:19:37,092
Speaker 6: I've been sitting there making notes while I've been waiting,

1611
01:19:37,612 --> 01:19:39,972
Speaker 6: so I've got six points. So that was a question

1612
01:19:40,133 --> 01:19:43,532
Speaker 6: for Matt if I may go for please right. First

1613
01:19:43,572 --> 01:19:45,732
Speaker 6: of all, I have a serious interest in less in

1614
01:19:45,812 --> 01:19:49,133
Speaker 6: batteries over the last ten years and have read and

1615
01:19:49,213 --> 01:19:52,772
Speaker 6: watched the problems that have occurred with them. Basically, when

1616
01:19:52,772 --> 01:19:55,013
Speaker 6: it comes to charges and electronics, you get what you

1617
01:19:55,093 --> 01:19:59,053
Speaker 6: pay for. My daughter had her cellphone perch fire in

1618
01:19:59,093 --> 01:20:02,372
Speaker 6: her hand when she was using it in Japan. Evs

1619
01:20:02,572 --> 01:20:05,452
Speaker 6: are now a band from being stored under your house

1620
01:20:05,492 --> 01:20:08,293
Speaker 6: and your garage because of the number of house fires

1621
01:20:08,372 --> 01:20:11,652
Speaker 6: that have arrived, and from charging EV's in your house.

1622
01:20:12,772 --> 01:20:17,053
Speaker 6: There's lots of got in Europe. They're banning EV's from

1623
01:20:17,053 --> 01:20:19,412
Speaker 6: a number of ferries because of the fires that have

1624
01:20:19,452 --> 01:20:20,773
Speaker 6: happened on ferry boats.

1625
01:20:21,013 --> 01:20:25,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that. That stuff's quite terrifying. Yeah, the

1626
01:20:26,412 --> 01:20:29,852
Speaker 2: transporting of evs on by ship and then and one

1627
01:20:29,893 --> 01:20:31,333
Speaker 2: goes up, that is terrifying. Yeah.

1628
01:20:32,293 --> 01:20:35,133
Speaker 6: I've got lots of videos I've collected of EV's on

1629
01:20:35,173 --> 01:20:37,932
Speaker 6: the road on fire and the fibrigage is standing by.

1630
01:20:38,013 --> 01:20:40,372
Speaker 6: They can't put it out. I've got a Tesler car

1631
01:20:40,612 --> 01:20:43,772
Speaker 6: underwater in a river continuing to burn because the water

1632
01:20:43,812 --> 01:20:47,093
Speaker 6: will not put it out. The car transporters of the Ferraris,

1633
01:20:47,093 --> 01:20:48,932
Speaker 6: I don't know if you remember this one. There are

1634
01:20:48,973 --> 01:20:52,933
Speaker 6: Ferraris and really expensive cars on this thing. One of

1635
01:20:52,973 --> 01:20:54,972
Speaker 6: them went up and the whole boat ended up sinking,

1636
01:20:55,372 --> 01:20:57,973
Speaker 6: taking them all down with them. Lots of scooters and

1637
01:20:57,973 --> 01:21:00,892
Speaker 6: EV bikes I'm spontaneously on the street, not plugged and

1638
01:21:00,933 --> 01:21:04,092
Speaker 6: catching fire. They're really good videos and even solar panel

1639
01:21:04,133 --> 01:21:07,692
Speaker 6: installations on fires on roofs going up in smoke. Now,

1640
01:21:07,812 --> 01:21:11,852
Speaker 6: FIBERID document I read said they can't put out with

1641
01:21:11,973 --> 01:21:15,013
Speaker 6: the battery five and cars other than cover them with

1642
01:21:15,013 --> 01:21:17,133
Speaker 6: a fire lanket. That's the best they can do. And

1643
01:21:17,173 --> 01:21:19,213
Speaker 6: just stand around and wait for it to finish. As

1644
01:21:19,213 --> 01:21:23,972
Speaker 6: a telecommunication electronic service technician, I'm actually on Tyler's side.

1645
01:21:24,412 --> 01:21:28,492
Speaker 6: Be careful, don't overcharge less in batteries and unplug them

1646
01:21:28,492 --> 01:21:31,532
Speaker 6: when they're charged. Now, Matt, I have a question for you,

1647
01:21:31,612 --> 01:21:36,772
Speaker 6: which is number six. Right, you wear a seat belt

1648
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:39,572
Speaker 6: in your car on the way home? And why when

1649
01:21:39,572 --> 01:21:42,253
Speaker 6: it was the last time you had an accident and

1650
01:21:42,372 --> 01:21:45,412
Speaker 6: needed it. What are the chances of you actually having

1651
01:21:45,412 --> 01:21:48,852
Speaker 6: an accident on the way home? So if you wear it,

1652
01:21:49,213 --> 01:21:52,532
Speaker 6: are you as paranoid? Is Tiler with his power over

1653
01:21:52,652 --> 01:21:54,293
Speaker 6: having an accident on the way home?

1654
01:21:54,893 --> 01:21:56,612
Speaker 2: Well, look, I'll tell you what. I will always wear

1655
01:21:56,612 --> 01:21:58,893
Speaker 2: a seatbelt, but that's one thing I'll definitely do.

1656
01:21:59,053 --> 01:21:59,372
Speaker 4: Yes.

1657
01:21:59,772 --> 01:22:04,213
Speaker 2: Why why Because I guess I've because it takes me

1658
01:22:04,293 --> 01:22:05,412
Speaker 2: no time at all to plug it in.

1659
01:22:05,492 --> 01:22:07,372
Speaker 6: I just no, no, no, no, that's not the reason.

1660
01:22:07,532 --> 01:22:10,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well yet, because let me finish, George. So

1661
01:22:10,253 --> 01:22:12,452
Speaker 2: I plug it in, and I just I believe that

1662
01:22:12,973 --> 01:22:15,173
Speaker 2: if I have an accident, which seems like a high

1663
01:22:15,333 --> 01:22:18,013
Speaker 2: possibility because there's lots of accidents, I've had accidents in

1664
01:22:18,013 --> 01:22:21,173
Speaker 2: the past, and I believe that. I believe, I believe

1665
01:22:21,253 --> 01:22:22,013
Speaker 2: seat belts are a.

1666
01:22:22,772 --> 01:22:24,892
Speaker 6: Very very When was the last time you had an

1667
01:22:24,933 --> 01:22:25,972
Speaker 6: excellent uh.

1668
01:22:26,173 --> 01:22:29,012
Speaker 2: That that that the seat belt came in to play well?

1669
01:22:29,093 --> 01:22:31,253
Speaker 2: I mean in a previous in a previous life. I

1670
01:22:31,452 --> 01:22:35,213
Speaker 2: was in a previous life. In a previous life, I

1671
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:38,333
Speaker 2: was shooting TV shows where we purposely have car accidents

1672
01:22:38,853 --> 01:22:42,053
Speaker 2: quite a lot. So so so I've been in a

1673
01:22:42,053 --> 01:22:44,852
Speaker 2: lot of prayings where seat belts have helped me. Some

1674
01:22:44,893 --> 01:22:47,412
Speaker 2: of them have been for TV. So there've been stunts,

1675
01:22:47,412 --> 01:22:51,133
Speaker 2: which is a slightly different thing. But I think the

1676
01:22:51,173 --> 01:22:54,652
Speaker 2: most recent one when not when I've been driving. I

1677
01:22:54,652 --> 01:22:56,213
Speaker 2: don't think there's ever been one where I've needed a

1678
01:22:56,213 --> 01:22:58,732
Speaker 2: seat belt when I've been driving, but I think probably

1679
01:22:58,772 --> 01:23:01,892
Speaker 2: about five years ago, I was in a rear ender

1680
01:23:02,412 --> 01:23:04,612
Speaker 2: in a car where the seat belt I felt like

1681
01:23:04,772 --> 01:23:06,412
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have saved my life, but it seemed like

1682
01:23:06,452 --> 01:23:09,213
Speaker 2: a good reason to have a good send handy to

1683
01:23:09,253 --> 01:23:09,572
Speaker 2: have it on.

1684
01:23:10,893 --> 01:23:15,372
Speaker 6: So there is one occasion in five years. How many

1685
01:23:15,372 --> 01:23:16,812
Speaker 6: trips have you done since that?

1686
01:23:17,812 --> 01:23:20,173
Speaker 2: Wow, Look, I'm going to say thousands there, George, I'm

1687
01:23:20,213 --> 01:23:21,293
Speaker 2: want to say thousands.

1688
01:23:22,333 --> 01:23:28,012
Speaker 6: So why are you handstling Coral Tyler who doesn't actually

1689
01:23:28,093 --> 01:23:29,532
Speaker 6: know whether he's going to have an exit at the

1690
01:23:29,572 --> 01:23:32,452
Speaker 6: home or not. But it's a preventative cure, just like

1691
01:23:32,532 --> 01:23:33,452
Speaker 6: you see belt Well, I.

1692
01:23:33,492 --> 01:23:37,133
Speaker 2: Tell you what, George, I, throughout this conversation, I have

1693
01:23:37,293 --> 01:23:40,973
Speaker 2: become more fearful of lithium batteries of the size that

1694
01:23:41,013 --> 01:23:43,973
Speaker 2: would run an ee bike, and definitely of ones that

1695
01:23:44,013 --> 01:23:46,612
Speaker 2: would run an EV like a you know, a Tesla

1696
01:23:46,812 --> 01:23:50,772
Speaker 2: or such. And look, I'm willing to reconsider on my

1697
01:23:50,933 --> 01:23:53,852
Speaker 2: leaving those ones on, absolutely, But as for leaving the

1698
01:23:54,013 --> 01:23:56,173
Speaker 2: Christmas lights flashing when I'm out of the house, So

1699
01:23:56,253 --> 01:23:59,012
Speaker 2: when I come back, which was just plugged into the wall,

1700
01:23:59,053 --> 01:24:01,492
Speaker 2: and it's got everything's that, they're their quality Christmas lights

1701
01:24:01,492 --> 01:24:04,452
Speaker 2: and they're plugged into you know, not so long gone.

1702
01:24:04,492 --> 01:24:06,532
Speaker 2: I had the electrics done in my entire house, so

1703
01:24:06,612 --> 01:24:08,732
Speaker 2: it's in a great state. I just think the risk

1704
01:24:08,812 --> 01:24:11,452
Speaker 2: of that is so tiny that I don't want to

1705
01:24:11,492 --> 01:24:13,293
Speaker 2: spend any of my life worrying about that. But I

1706
01:24:13,333 --> 01:24:16,412
Speaker 2: will agree, I will agree that the risk factor of

1707
01:24:18,013 --> 01:24:21,412
Speaker 2: charging lithium batteries of the size that you have on

1708
01:24:21,492 --> 01:24:24,253
Speaker 2: an e bike, it's probably worth turning them off when

1709
01:24:24,293 --> 01:24:24,652
Speaker 2: I'm out.

1710
01:24:24,853 --> 01:24:27,333
Speaker 6: Your rights will not catch fire, your lights will not

1711
01:24:27,492 --> 01:24:28,052
Speaker 6: catch fire.

1712
01:24:28,732 --> 01:24:30,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, your lights.

1713
01:24:30,452 --> 01:24:33,772
Speaker 6: Will not catch fire. Touch the charger, plug into the

1714
01:24:33,853 --> 01:24:36,892
Speaker 6: mains to see a high hot that gets and if

1715
01:24:36,933 --> 01:24:39,293
Speaker 6: it's strong enough to run your lights, yeah, but it's

1716
01:24:39,333 --> 01:24:41,492
Speaker 6: getting hot. You need a more powerful one, just the

1717
01:24:41,572 --> 01:24:43,732
Speaker 6: thing that will catch fire, exactly, Tyler.

1718
01:24:43,853 --> 01:24:45,973
Speaker 3: Enough that well, that's why I didn't really have an

1719
01:24:45,973 --> 01:24:47,652
Speaker 3: answer for you when you asked me about the TV,

1720
01:24:47,772 --> 01:24:50,732
Speaker 3: as I will accept that the TV is pretty much

1721
01:24:50,853 --> 01:24:51,173
Speaker 3: by Joe.

1722
01:24:51,372 --> 01:24:53,253
Speaker 2: Thanks and thanks for the thought you put into it.

1723
01:24:53,293 --> 01:24:54,612
Speaker 2: By the way, George, that was fantastic.

1724
01:24:54,732 --> 01:24:56,293
Speaker 3: That was good, Thank you very much. But that's why

1725
01:24:56,333 --> 01:24:57,852
Speaker 3: we can see the TV is a bit weird that

1726
01:24:57,893 --> 01:25:00,732
Speaker 3: I flicked the telly off. But I'll never concede the

1727
01:25:01,253 --> 01:25:04,253
Speaker 3: lithium battery for my power tools and certainly not.

1728
01:25:04,492 --> 01:25:07,532
Speaker 2: But you keep, you keep, you keep, You're moving the

1729
01:25:07,572 --> 01:25:11,213
Speaker 2: goalplast tier. You were talking about being concerned about your

1730
01:25:11,293 --> 01:25:14,133
Speaker 2: cell phone beside your bed and not charging that at night,

1731
01:25:14,173 --> 01:25:16,213
Speaker 2: and you said before you says you says, he says,

1732
01:25:16,612 --> 01:25:19,852
Speaker 2: So you don't charge your cell phone, have a night

1733
01:25:19,933 --> 01:25:22,253
Speaker 2: beside your bed, and you'll charge it when you get

1734
01:25:22,333 --> 01:25:25,772
Speaker 2: home and before you go to sleep, because you're worried

1735
01:25:25,772 --> 01:25:28,492
Speaker 2: about leaving it charging while you're asleep. Yes, son, I

1736
01:25:28,652 --> 01:25:31,812
Speaker 2: think I think that's crazy. I think if your cell

1737
01:25:31,853 --> 01:25:34,293
Speaker 2: phone has got the right charger that you bought with it,

1738
01:25:34,372 --> 01:25:37,293
Speaker 2: and it's a reputable cell phone and it's not nothing

1739
01:25:37,612 --> 01:25:40,053
Speaker 2: that you've brought us from team, and it's plugged in

1740
01:25:40,173 --> 01:25:42,972
Speaker 2: beside your bed, and you've got smoke alarms in your house,

1741
01:25:43,492 --> 01:25:46,372
Speaker 2: I think that that's an unnecessary fear. I think you

1742
01:25:46,492 --> 01:25:50,652
Speaker 2: can charge your phone and your Apple Watch or whatever

1743
01:25:50,692 --> 01:25:53,973
Speaker 2: you want beside your bed, even your laptop or that

1744
01:25:54,572 --> 01:25:56,372
Speaker 2: without any risk at all.

1745
01:25:56,692 --> 01:26:00,532
Speaker 3: Okay, well, we've pulled the request of Fire and Fire

1746
01:26:00,532 --> 01:26:03,452
Speaker 3: an emergency their safety division. Hopefully we're going to get

1747
01:26:03,492 --> 01:26:05,532
Speaker 3: them on the phone to put this to bed once

1748
01:26:05,612 --> 01:26:08,173
Speaker 3: and for all. It is twenty six past three.

1749
01:26:13,692 --> 01:26:19,012
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh on Youth Talk ZB.

1750
01:26:19,532 --> 01:26:22,893
Speaker 2: We're talking about Tyler's irrational fear of electrics.

1751
01:26:24,013 --> 01:26:26,932
Speaker 3: Well, George certainly kicked off the text machine. And George

1752
01:26:26,973 --> 01:26:29,372
Speaker 3: gave you a bit of stick for whether you wear

1753
01:26:29,372 --> 01:26:33,173
Speaker 3: your seat belt or not and compared it to me

1754
01:26:33,333 --> 01:26:35,452
Speaker 3: switching all of my batteries off at the home.

1755
01:26:35,532 --> 01:26:35,652
Speaker 19: Right.

1756
01:26:35,772 --> 01:26:37,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I should have pushed back a little bit

1757
01:26:37,772 --> 01:26:40,772
Speaker 2: of George. It takes me less than less than the

1758
01:26:40,812 --> 01:26:42,452
Speaker 2: time to even think about it to plug my seat

1759
01:26:42,492 --> 01:26:44,692
Speaker 2: belt in. But you, well, your lovely partner's waiting in

1760
01:26:44,732 --> 01:26:46,972
Speaker 2: the car for you guys go out for a nice dinner. Well,

1761
01:26:47,093 --> 01:26:50,692
Speaker 2: Tyler scurries around like a grunch, turning off all the

1762
01:26:50,772 --> 01:26:54,013
Speaker 2: lights in his house and all the power, turning off

1763
01:26:54,053 --> 01:26:57,133
Speaker 2: the TV, but strangely leaving the fridge on because I

1764
01:26:57,213 --> 01:26:59,333
Speaker 2: don't know why that wouldn't go up here?

1765
01:27:01,173 --> 01:27:02,293
Speaker 3: Hello, how do you feel that?

1766
01:27:04,213 --> 01:27:04,412
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1767
01:27:04,452 --> 01:27:07,612
Speaker 22: I wanted to call in just for people that have

1768
01:27:07,772 --> 01:27:14,573
Speaker 22: got to Lettian batteries for their vapes and also e cigarettes.

1769
01:27:16,692 --> 01:27:21,812
Speaker 22: A friend of my brother's charged up his his littium

1770
01:27:21,933 --> 01:27:25,933
Speaker 22: battery and put his spare battery in his pocket and

1771
01:27:26,173 --> 01:27:31,532
Speaker 22: trouser pocket, and unfortunately he had some loose change in

1772
01:27:31,652 --> 01:27:38,452
Speaker 22: there as well, and it's spontaneously combusted and he ended

1773
01:27:38,572 --> 01:27:41,772
Speaker 22: up having extensive plastic surgery.

1774
01:27:43,293 --> 01:27:46,692
Speaker 2: Nasty and and was so that was that, like one

1775
01:27:46,692 --> 01:27:47,852
Speaker 2: of those power bank things.

1776
01:27:49,213 --> 01:27:54,493
Speaker 22: It was just just a interchangeable battery for evapes.

1777
01:27:55,013 --> 01:27:57,652
Speaker 2: Oh wow? Ended? And did it short circuit on the

1778
01:27:58,173 --> 01:27:59,492
Speaker 2: on the coins on the coins?

1779
01:27:59,572 --> 01:27:59,772
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1780
01:28:00,013 --> 01:28:00,253
Speaker 4: Wow?

1781
01:28:00,572 --> 01:28:00,732
Speaker 9: Is he?

1782
01:28:00,893 --> 01:28:01,213
Speaker 19: How is he?

1783
01:28:01,293 --> 01:28:01,412
Speaker 10: Now?

1784
01:28:01,532 --> 01:28:01,652
Speaker 14: Is he?

1785
01:28:01,732 --> 01:28:01,972
Speaker 2: Okay?

1786
01:28:02,933 --> 01:28:05,732
Speaker 22: He's all right? Now, but it took quite a few

1787
01:28:05,812 --> 01:28:11,053
Speaker 22: months for it to sort it out. It's very exextensive

1788
01:28:11,452 --> 01:28:12,892
Speaker 22: skinned skin grafts.

1789
01:28:13,293 --> 01:28:17,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and just wanted to warn people, Well, thank

1790
01:28:17,412 --> 01:28:18,052
Speaker 2: you for that mirror.

1791
01:28:18,333 --> 01:28:19,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. You've got to be careful

1792
01:28:19,933 --> 01:28:22,452
Speaker 3: with those vape battery Well.

1793
01:28:22,333 --> 01:28:25,293
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that that you know we're talking about,

1794
01:28:25,293 --> 01:28:26,692
Speaker 2: you know, when I was talking about your your phone

1795
01:28:26,732 --> 01:28:30,012
Speaker 2: and stuff, like you've got an iPhone Ripidal brand plugged

1796
01:28:30,053 --> 01:28:33,852
Speaker 2: in with the repudile plug. Yeah, it's the world of vapes.

1797
01:28:34,692 --> 01:28:38,452
Speaker 2: That is the wild West of quality control.

1798
01:28:38,692 --> 01:28:41,173
Speaker 3: Absolutely right. We're going to carry this on after the

1799
01:28:41,253 --> 01:28:43,532
Speaker 3: headlines coming up. I wait one hundred and eighty ten

1800
01:28:43,732 --> 01:28:46,572
Speaker 3: eighty some good takes coming through on nine two nine

1801
01:28:46,692 --> 01:28:49,333
Speaker 3: two This one I I met and Tyler. An option

1802
01:28:49,532 --> 01:28:52,333
Speaker 3: is to use Wi Fi enabled power boards and lights.

1803
01:28:52,412 --> 01:28:54,572
Speaker 3: Then you can set them to turn off. We're not

1804
01:28:54,692 --> 01:28:57,173
Speaker 3: in use mainly for saving money and power list things

1805
01:28:57,213 --> 01:28:57,932
Speaker 3: to switch off from.

1806
01:28:57,973 --> 01:29:00,173
Speaker 2: Clear, thank you clear. Yeah. I run that. I run

1807
01:29:00,812 --> 01:29:03,732
Speaker 2: heaps of different power sockets through my well, you know,

1808
01:29:03,812 --> 01:29:08,732
Speaker 2: like I have a double point that I off Wi

1809
01:29:08,812 --> 01:29:11,692
Speaker 2: Fi and that's that's because I'll turn the Christmas tree

1810
01:29:11,692 --> 01:29:13,812
Speaker 2: off at the moment. This is the one that I

1811
01:29:14,013 --> 01:29:17,852
Speaker 2: just sorted out on Friday. Was so that Christmas trees,

1812
01:29:18,612 --> 01:29:21,692
Speaker 2: the flashing lights doesn't well, there's two Christmas trees anyway.

1813
01:29:21,732 --> 01:29:23,772
Speaker 2: One I like to have it things really dark so

1814
01:29:23,853 --> 01:29:26,293
Speaker 2: I can sleep. Yeah, so I'll have it so it

1815
01:29:26,412 --> 01:29:28,572
Speaker 2: turns off at certain times. But I'll do that with

1816
01:29:28,612 --> 01:29:29,972
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff in my house. But it's never

1817
01:29:29,973 --> 01:29:32,013
Speaker 2: about safety. It's just about the lights being on or

1818
01:29:32,093 --> 01:29:32,973
Speaker 2: off when I need them to be.

1819
01:29:33,093 --> 01:29:34,692
Speaker 3: Well, clearly that's what I need for the talley and

1820
01:29:34,692 --> 01:29:36,892
Speaker 3: the fridge. I'm still switching off those Lithian betteries.

1821
01:29:37,013 --> 01:29:39,812
Speaker 2: Not a fridge, mate, don't turn a much bigger risk

1822
01:29:39,893 --> 01:29:42,932
Speaker 2: for you. I'm concerned that you're gonna get so scared

1823
01:29:42,973 --> 01:29:45,572
Speaker 2: about leaving power on that you're gonna turn the fridge

1824
01:29:45,612 --> 01:29:47,612
Speaker 2: off and you're going to poison yourself. You're gonna have

1825
01:29:47,692 --> 01:29:50,772
Speaker 2: some You're gonna have some prawns and the deep freeze.

1826
01:29:51,053 --> 01:29:52,892
Speaker 2: You're gonna be worried about power. You're gonna turn it off,

1827
01:29:52,933 --> 01:29:54,253
Speaker 2: You're gonna turn it on. You're gonna eat that, and

1828
01:29:54,293 --> 01:29:57,253
Speaker 2: you're gonna get some kind of disgusting food poisoning.

1829
01:29:57,333 --> 01:29:59,612
Speaker 3: I'll be lying if I said I didn't think about

1830
01:29:59,652 --> 01:30:04,852
Speaker 3: switching the fridge off. It is twenty eight to four.

1831
01:30:07,853 --> 01:30:07,973
Speaker 9: HU.

1832
01:30:08,772 --> 01:30:11,973
Speaker 14: The headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with

1833
01:30:12,093 --> 01:30:15,492
Speaker 14: a blue bubble. Forty thousand chickens will be put down

1834
01:30:15,572 --> 01:30:18,612
Speaker 14: in an Otago egg farm infected with a strain of

1835
01:30:18,692 --> 01:30:22,812
Speaker 14: bird flu, likely caught from local wild birds. It's not

1836
01:30:23,093 --> 01:30:28,452
Speaker 14: the avian influenza circulating globally. Biosecurity teams at checking out

1837
01:30:28,532 --> 01:30:32,852
Speaker 14: two other properties. Australia has had its first biggest cocaine

1838
01:30:32,973 --> 01:30:36,452
Speaker 14: bust in history and accepting a billion dollar hare being

1839
01:30:36,532 --> 01:30:39,893
Speaker 14: brought in by sea allegedly weighing as much as a

1840
01:30:40,013 --> 01:30:43,652
Speaker 14: Ford ute. The US President has pardoned his son Hunter,

1841
01:30:43,772 --> 01:30:46,892
Speaker 14: who was convicted this year of federal gun and tax crimes.

1842
01:30:47,253 --> 01:30:49,532
Speaker 14: Joe Biden says he was singled out for being the

1843
01:30:49,612 --> 01:30:54,012
Speaker 14: President's son, which was wrong. David Seymour says he's asked

1844
01:30:54,053 --> 01:30:57,652
Speaker 14: Farmac how much it's consulted with patients over a decision

1845
01:30:57,692 --> 01:31:02,213
Speaker 14: to change HRT menopause treatment patches, which is prompting complaints.

1846
01:31:02,973 --> 01:31:05,972
Speaker 14: Two Air New Zealand planes have made unplanned landings because

1847
01:31:05,973 --> 01:31:09,892
Speaker 14: of engine issues yesterday and today. A flight leaving Gisbon

1848
01:31:09,933 --> 01:31:13,253
Speaker 14: today circled and landed again soon after takeoff, and a

1849
01:31:13,333 --> 01:31:17,932
Speaker 14: flight from Wellington to Sydney diverted to Auckland yesterday. Plus

1850
01:31:18,133 --> 01:31:22,612
Speaker 14: MRI scans show huge differences between male and female brains.

1851
01:31:22,973 --> 01:31:25,812
Speaker 14: Find out more at ends at Herald Premium. Now back

1852
01:31:25,893 --> 01:31:26,972
Speaker 14: to Matt and Taylor.

1853
01:31:27,253 --> 01:31:30,133
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the

1854
01:31:30,532 --> 01:31:34,692
Speaker 3: fair irrational otherwise of lithium batteries and cheap cables. After

1855
01:31:35,253 --> 01:31:38,812
Speaker 3: a cheap cable from TIMU was found to be the

1856
01:31:38,933 --> 01:31:42,093
Speaker 3: likely cause of an Auckland house fire, Matt thinks that

1857
01:31:42,213 --> 01:31:44,852
Speaker 3: I am an absolute weirdo for switching everything off in

1858
01:31:44,933 --> 01:31:45,213
Speaker 3: the home.

1859
01:31:45,333 --> 01:31:47,692
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's two issues here. We can debate

1860
01:31:47,853 --> 01:31:50,812
Speaker 2: the lithium batteries, and we can definitely debate the larger

1861
01:31:50,853 --> 01:31:56,133
Speaker 2: ones around e bikes and EV's and even charging your

1862
01:31:56,213 --> 01:31:58,612
Speaker 2: drills and such. But I just think going around and

1863
01:31:58,612 --> 01:32:00,772
Speaker 2: flicking everything off. You're turning your TV off at the

1864
01:32:00,812 --> 01:32:03,892
Speaker 2: wall and all that kind of stuff is craziness. Hey,

1865
01:32:03,973 --> 01:32:06,253
Speaker 2: Matt is once again this Texas says on nine ten nineteen,

1866
01:32:06,293 --> 01:32:09,852
Speaker 2: emphasizing his yuppie upper class valley by continually rubbishing TEAMU

1867
01:32:09,973 --> 01:32:11,933
Speaker 2: during the segment, Man needs to take on board that

1868
01:32:12,013 --> 01:32:14,412
Speaker 2: some of his listeners are forced to shop via TIMU

1869
01:32:14,572 --> 01:32:16,253
Speaker 2: as they don't have the funds to shop at the stores.

1870
01:32:16,412 --> 01:32:19,092
Speaker 2: And for the brands that Matt goes for, for many listeners,

1871
01:32:19,133 --> 01:32:22,013
Speaker 2: prices king and the cheapest spire gets the sale. To that,

1872
01:32:22,093 --> 01:32:26,132
Speaker 2: I'd say TIMU is rubbish by something better. My response

1873
01:32:26,213 --> 01:32:28,253
Speaker 2: to that, well, what's the point of so you're saying that?

1874
01:32:28,893 --> 01:32:31,253
Speaker 2: So I'm somehow, I don't know how you ever managed

1875
01:32:31,293 --> 01:32:34,013
Speaker 2: to put me into the upper class gurgary. That's well,

1876
01:32:34,133 --> 01:32:36,852
Speaker 2: that's well done. One day I'm trying to slap me

1877
01:32:36,893 --> 01:32:41,253
Speaker 2: in there. That doesn't quite work. But clearly it hasn't

1878
01:32:41,333 --> 01:32:44,652
Speaker 2: paid off buying this team. Like, there's not much point

1879
01:32:44,692 --> 01:32:46,732
Speaker 2: of buying cable if it's going to if it's going

1880
01:32:46,772 --> 01:32:47,892
Speaker 2: to start a fire.

1881
01:32:47,772 --> 01:32:50,933
Speaker 3: Saving dollars on your cable versus your whole house. I

1882
01:32:51,013 --> 01:32:53,092
Speaker 3: mean there, Yeah, economics doesn't.

1883
01:32:53,333 --> 01:32:56,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about cheapness and things that actually do

1884
01:32:56,652 --> 01:32:58,772
Speaker 2: the job. There's no point in buying something that's so

1885
01:32:58,893 --> 01:33:00,492
Speaker 2: cheap it doesn't do the job that starts a fire.

1886
01:33:01,572 --> 01:33:04,013
Speaker 3: Cafe, how are you good?

1887
01:33:04,093 --> 01:33:04,333
Speaker 19: Thank you?

1888
01:33:04,612 --> 01:33:06,532
Speaker 3: Have you got a bit of a serious story about

1889
01:33:06,853 --> 01:33:07,892
Speaker 3: batteries for us have you.

1890
01:33:08,732 --> 01:33:09,173
Speaker 4: Oh, we have.

1891
01:33:09,452 --> 01:33:09,492
Speaker 9: So.

1892
01:33:11,013 --> 01:33:15,492
Speaker 23: Sixteenth of October, so not long ago, we had the

1893
01:33:16,213 --> 01:33:19,692
Speaker 23: battery of my husband's E bike exploded in our garage

1894
01:33:20,213 --> 01:33:24,333
Speaker 23: and everything in the garage was lost. Fortunately I was

1895
01:33:24,372 --> 01:33:27,293
Speaker 23: awake and heard the explosion. It was nine o'clock at

1896
01:33:27,412 --> 01:33:33,133
Speaker 23: night and we got out of the house and nothing.

1897
01:33:33,652 --> 01:33:36,852
Speaker 23: Fortunately the fire didn't go through to the house, but

1898
01:33:36,973 --> 01:33:39,652
Speaker 23: we'd kept it contained in the garage. The fire brigade

1899
01:33:39,692 --> 01:33:42,892
Speaker 23: were amazing, there were here in about ten to fifteen minutes.

1900
01:33:44,013 --> 01:33:47,492
Speaker 23: The inspectors that came out the next day were amazing.

1901
01:33:47,692 --> 01:33:50,492
Speaker 23: Insurance has been amazing, so we have a lot to

1902
01:33:50,612 --> 01:33:54,132
Speaker 23: be thankful for. But the bettery was not on charge,

1903
01:33:55,853 --> 01:34:00,652
Speaker 23: purely on the bike, a very expensive bike, and definitely

1904
01:34:00,772 --> 01:34:02,173
Speaker 23: wasn't anything to do with Timu.

1905
01:34:02,333 --> 01:34:03,333
Speaker 24: It was just the Bettery.

1906
01:34:04,133 --> 01:34:07,732
Speaker 23: But it's been a wake up call for us. We're

1907
01:34:07,732 --> 01:34:11,652
Speaker 23: looking at them about putting our two two e bikes.

1908
01:34:11,732 --> 01:34:14,612
Speaker 23: When we get them, we'll not be coming into the

1909
01:34:14,692 --> 01:34:19,333
Speaker 23: garage and our tools or the battery tools will be

1910
01:34:20,652 --> 01:34:23,652
Speaker 23: relocated into the sheds outside as well. It's been a

1911
01:34:23,853 --> 01:34:25,973
Speaker 23: bit of a bit of a journey for us.

1912
01:34:26,053 --> 01:34:30,173
Speaker 2: But Kathy, that sounds that sounds horrific, but do you

1913
01:34:30,492 --> 01:34:33,692
Speaker 2: have you heard whether it's it was a manufacturing fault.

1914
01:34:33,772 --> 01:34:36,053
Speaker 2: Have you gone to the bottom of of why that

1915
01:34:36,692 --> 01:34:38,612
Speaker 2: battery just went up without even be plugged in.

1916
01:34:40,372 --> 01:34:47,133
Speaker 23: No, But interestingly enough that the bike company in America

1917
01:34:48,293 --> 01:34:51,293
Speaker 23: there was a recall on that particular model a couple

1918
01:34:51,333 --> 01:34:54,852
Speaker 23: of months before we brought the bike in New Zealand.

1919
01:34:55,532 --> 01:34:58,612
Speaker 23: We don't know that it's connected in any way at all.

1920
01:34:59,293 --> 01:35:02,412
Speaker 23: We have no idea about that. But insurance are following

1921
01:35:02,492 --> 01:35:06,772
Speaker 23: that that up with the company, and again that's been

1922
01:35:06,893 --> 01:35:09,093
Speaker 23: very keen to find out what's what's been going on.

1923
01:35:09,333 --> 01:35:13,532
Speaker 23: But certainly the fire investigator and work Safe who came

1924
01:35:13,572 --> 01:35:16,652
Speaker 23: out the next day, we're brilliant. They pieced everything together.

1925
01:35:17,293 --> 01:35:20,732
Speaker 23: We're able to track exactly what happened when it blew

1926
01:35:21,093 --> 01:35:24,492
Speaker 23: and where the fire went and sort of tried to

1927
01:35:24,532 --> 01:35:27,133
Speaker 23: piece what was left of the bike back together. And

1928
01:35:28,372 --> 01:35:30,213
Speaker 23: it's been a fascinating process.

1929
01:35:31,652 --> 01:35:33,253
Speaker 2: And so and so when you say it went bang,

1930
01:35:33,333 --> 01:35:35,412
Speaker 2: you so you heard an explosion, What did that explosion

1931
01:35:35,692 --> 01:35:36,133
Speaker 2: sound like?

1932
01:35:40,253 --> 01:35:42,772
Speaker 23: It sounded like my husband reaving a car in the garage.

1933
01:35:43,253 --> 01:35:46,612
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And and and then and then and then

1934
01:35:46,652 --> 01:35:48,893
Speaker 2: when you say it exploded, did it so that this

1935
01:35:49,013 --> 01:35:51,133
Speaker 2: didn't just went bang and then it started burning. But

1936
01:35:51,213 --> 01:35:54,412
Speaker 2: did it sort of fire projectiles all over the garage

1937
01:35:54,532 --> 01:35:57,092
Speaker 2: or to just go bang internally and start burning.

1938
01:35:58,133 --> 01:36:00,892
Speaker 23: Well, actually it did fire. So when it when it bang,

1939
01:36:00,933 --> 01:36:04,093
Speaker 23: I was actually on the phone to a phone call,

1940
01:36:04,293 --> 01:36:08,013
Speaker 23: and I took myself with my sister said did you

1941
01:36:08,053 --> 01:36:08,692
Speaker 23: hear that bang?

1942
01:36:08,973 --> 01:36:10,013
Speaker 2: And she said he what was it?

1943
01:36:10,093 --> 01:36:11,532
Speaker 23: And I said, oh, I don't know. I think it

1944
01:36:11,652 --> 01:36:14,013
Speaker 23: was A husband down in the garage left it for

1945
01:36:14,093 --> 01:36:16,333
Speaker 23: a few minutes and then wandered down the passage and

1946
01:36:16,412 --> 01:36:17,852
Speaker 23: I could hear the crackle and a.

1947
01:36:18,412 --> 01:36:19,412
Speaker 17: Way that was a fire.

1948
01:36:19,532 --> 01:36:21,852
Speaker 2: Everyone's talking about the crackle. There's this particular type of

1949
01:36:21,933 --> 01:36:23,133
Speaker 2: crackle that these batteries have.

1950
01:36:24,652 --> 01:36:27,892
Speaker 23: Well, it was very very clear. So we got out

1951
01:36:27,933 --> 01:36:33,732
Speaker 23: at that stage. The need on the shelving next to

1952
01:36:33,853 --> 01:36:36,492
Speaker 23: the two bikes or my bike which is an EE

1953
01:36:36,652 --> 01:36:39,372
Speaker 23: bike or was an E bike, the battery on that

1954
01:36:39,572 --> 01:36:43,253
Speaker 23: did not explode, didn't it didn't do anything. Next to that,

1955
01:36:43,933 --> 01:36:48,532
Speaker 23: my husband had a container of helicopter lithium batteries and

1956
01:36:48,612 --> 01:36:51,412
Speaker 23: the lithium batteries LIFEO batteries.

1957
01:36:51,133 --> 01:36:52,092
Speaker 2: My model helicopter.

1958
01:36:53,053 --> 01:36:55,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, they.

1959
01:36:55,093 --> 01:36:57,973
Speaker 24: Didn't go up there. There were twenty or thirty of

1960
01:36:58,053 --> 01:37:00,093
Speaker 24: those batteries contains.

1961
01:37:00,412 --> 01:37:01,293
Speaker 2: That could have been quite something.

1962
01:37:01,333 --> 01:37:02,013
Speaker 24: I didn't go up.

1963
01:37:02,532 --> 01:37:06,932
Speaker 23: Yeah, so the potential, you know, for a huge fire

1964
01:37:07,973 --> 01:37:12,532
Speaker 23: was there. What what was fascinating. I found that one

1965
01:37:12,572 --> 01:37:16,293
Speaker 23: of my husbands had some of his father's bowling balls,

1966
01:37:16,333 --> 01:37:19,412
Speaker 23: and I found one by the daughter the hall, and

1967
01:37:19,572 --> 01:37:21,492
Speaker 23: we sort of we had a discussion about how that

1968
01:37:21,612 --> 01:37:24,133
Speaker 23: might have got there. A couple of days after we

1969
01:37:24,412 --> 01:37:27,173
Speaker 23: were looking at the ceiling of the garage and you

1970
01:37:27,253 --> 01:37:29,492
Speaker 23: could see how this bowling ball had shot.

1971
01:37:29,333 --> 01:37:31,412
Speaker 24: Up and be tracked a long feeling.

1972
01:37:32,612 --> 01:37:35,372
Speaker 23: And down by the door. So the little things that

1973
01:37:35,572 --> 01:37:37,533
Speaker 23: we were really sound fascinating.

1974
01:37:37,772 --> 01:37:41,572
Speaker 12: Yeah, we were very lucky.

1975
01:37:41,772 --> 01:37:43,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for sharing your sorry.

1976
01:37:43,893 --> 01:37:46,572
Speaker 2: Well you you'd been way lucky if it hadn't happened,

1977
01:37:46,612 --> 01:37:48,572
Speaker 2: but you were, but it could have been a lot worse.

1978
01:37:48,973 --> 01:37:51,412
Speaker 2: Thank you for that cafee. That's interesting, Like I am

1979
01:37:51,532 --> 01:37:54,612
Speaker 2: a little bit more worried about my my all the

1980
01:37:55,492 --> 01:37:58,213
Speaker 2: large A lithium batteries I've currently got charging in my

1981
01:37:58,253 --> 01:38:00,732
Speaker 2: house right now and putting ones for two ebays. Yeah,

1982
01:38:01,612 --> 01:38:04,213
Speaker 2: I will concede that. But someone points out this interesting

1983
01:38:04,253 --> 01:38:07,052
Speaker 2: thing for you. On nine two nine two Tyler. Hey, guys,

1984
01:38:07,452 --> 01:38:09,372
Speaker 2: with that one Tyler I wanted to I've added the

1985
01:38:09,412 --> 01:38:12,293
Speaker 2: wom Tyler wanting to turn off the appliances. He should

1986
01:38:12,293 --> 01:38:14,412
Speaker 2: get his house rewired so he can just flick one

1987
01:38:14,452 --> 01:38:17,053
Speaker 2: switch that cuts power to all sockets. But just get

1988
01:38:17,093 --> 01:38:19,572
Speaker 2: a separate circuit left for the major appliances like fridge.

1989
01:38:19,853 --> 01:38:21,732
Speaker 2: I would be happy with that. And the alarm. Yeah,

1990
01:38:21,772 --> 01:38:23,213
Speaker 2: because you have to leave your alarm on when you're

1991
01:38:23,213 --> 01:38:24,812
Speaker 2: out of the house. Done, correct, So that's a bit

1992
01:38:24,853 --> 01:38:27,452
Speaker 2: of power this guy. Yeah, that's right, because I just

1993
01:38:27,532 --> 01:38:29,253
Speaker 2: don't like what you're doing to your partner, making her

1994
01:38:29,333 --> 01:38:31,412
Speaker 2: weight while you scurry around like some kind of little

1995
01:38:31,452 --> 01:38:32,492
Speaker 2: troll turning everything off.

1996
01:38:32,572 --> 01:38:35,093
Speaker 3: Well, I've asked her to respond and nothing here. She's

1997
01:38:35,173 --> 01:38:37,213
Speaker 3: read it as well and she won't respond, So that

1998
01:38:37,293 --> 01:38:38,452
Speaker 3: probably says at all she's.

1999
01:38:38,333 --> 01:38:40,972
Speaker 2: Not even talking to you. Shall we come back with Dan,

2000
01:38:41,053 --> 01:38:44,213
Speaker 2: who's an e BI comporter, so they have some expert

2001
01:38:44,333 --> 01:38:45,692
Speaker 2: knowledge on these batteries.

2002
01:38:45,732 --> 01:38:48,333
Speaker 3: It'll be great to chat to. It is seventeen to four.

2003
01:38:49,772 --> 01:38:49,972
Speaker 7: Done.

2004
01:38:50,053 --> 01:38:53,733
Speaker 1: New take on talk Bag Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

2005
01:38:53,933 --> 01:38:57,533
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

2006
01:38:58,692 --> 01:39:02,133
Speaker 2: We're talking about left them batteries after one went up

2007
01:39:02,213 --> 01:39:05,053
Speaker 2: on a phone with a Dodgy TMU cable. But there's

2008
01:39:05,053 --> 01:39:06,892
Speaker 2: been a lot of talk about e batteries. So we've

2009
01:39:06,933 --> 01:39:09,732
Speaker 2: got Dan here. You're an e bike and porter. What

2010
01:39:09,853 --> 01:39:12,293
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on the batteries on these bikes?

2011
01:39:13,452 --> 01:39:13,972
Speaker 7: Cure guys?

2012
01:39:14,133 --> 01:39:16,932
Speaker 24: Hey, yeah, so I'm the input of an electric bike

2013
01:39:16,973 --> 01:39:21,612
Speaker 24: called Valkrim. So obviously e bikes are everywhere in this

2014
01:39:21,732 --> 01:39:24,213
Speaker 24: kind of bench style of e bikes is getting quite popular.

2015
01:39:24,692 --> 01:39:27,772
Speaker 24: My thoughts are, it's just the time bomb waiting to happen.

2016
01:39:27,893 --> 01:39:31,772
Speaker 24: We allow anything and everything into New Zealand and most

2017
01:39:31,812 --> 01:39:35,013
Speaker 24: of the standards like in the EU, for example, we

2018
01:39:35,133 --> 01:39:36,652
Speaker 24: don't even regulate in New Zealand.

2019
01:39:36,692 --> 01:39:38,093
Speaker 12: A lot of the bikes that are.

2020
01:39:38,093 --> 01:39:40,852
Speaker 24: Here on our streets that people are buying off the

2021
01:39:41,053 --> 01:39:43,053
Speaker 24: like the Timu or marketplace, a lot of them you

2022
01:39:43,093 --> 01:39:45,213
Speaker 24: wouldn't be able to sell in Europe because they don't

2023
01:39:46,253 --> 01:39:48,652
Speaker 24: meet the regulation. It's not around the power of the bike,

2024
01:39:48,652 --> 01:39:52,412
Speaker 24: it's actually about the safety standards around the charger and

2025
01:39:52,652 --> 01:39:55,772
Speaker 24: also the batteries and themselves. Like a good example, to

2026
01:39:55,893 --> 01:39:58,093
Speaker 24: be honest, is a lot of the batteries fires you

2027
01:39:58,213 --> 01:40:01,372
Speaker 24: see not so much e bikes, the chargers and a

2028
01:40:01,452 --> 01:40:05,213
Speaker 24: lot of charges for like drone fishing batteries and like

2029
01:40:05,492 --> 01:40:09,412
Speaker 24: there was sixteen and a half thousand by confiscated in

2030
01:40:09,572 --> 01:40:13,852
Speaker 24: Holland and November be purely because there was no regulation

2031
01:40:13,973 --> 01:40:16,253
Speaker 24: of where the battery was made, or where the charger

2032
01:40:16,412 --> 01:40:19,013
Speaker 24: was made, or what the standard around the charger was

2033
01:40:19,093 --> 01:40:22,052
Speaker 24: of shut us, et cetera. And all of those bikes

2034
01:40:22,253 --> 01:40:25,492
Speaker 24: are open fornather in New Zealand were just we just

2035
01:40:25,572 --> 01:40:27,973
Speaker 24: seem to kind of do the old you know, we'll

2036
01:40:28,013 --> 01:40:30,612
Speaker 24: see what happens and then and then we'll talk about

2037
01:40:30,652 --> 01:40:33,213
Speaker 24: it later. But I think the spy as sadly it

2038
01:40:33,293 --> 01:40:34,612
Speaker 24: is going to become a lot more common.

2039
01:40:35,293 --> 01:40:37,932
Speaker 2: Those Valkyrie e bikes are cool looking, Yeah, beautiful.

2040
01:40:38,053 --> 01:40:40,412
Speaker 24: Oh they're amazing. Yeah they're not for your boomers, but

2041
01:40:40,532 --> 01:40:44,093
Speaker 24: they're definitely they're definitely cool. They were motor transports. They're

2042
01:40:44,093 --> 01:40:45,452
Speaker 24: not going to get a mountmap film them.

2043
01:40:45,412 --> 01:40:48,412
Speaker 12: But they're they're really beautifully made high in kind of fession.

2044
01:40:48,853 --> 01:40:50,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, good made of minds cruising around town on one

2045
01:40:50,973 --> 01:40:52,253
Speaker 2: of these right now. I was just looking at it

2046
01:40:52,293 --> 01:40:54,372
Speaker 2: the other day. But they yeah, they look they look

2047
01:40:54,492 --> 01:40:55,573
Speaker 2: kind of more like motorbikes.

2048
01:40:56,492 --> 01:40:58,972
Speaker 24: You would be good on that map instead of your

2049
01:40:59,532 --> 01:41:06,133
Speaker 24: orange little shitty boo. Yeah, yeah, I actually think you're

2050
01:41:06,173 --> 01:41:07,972
Speaker 24: probably more suited to the orange one now.

2051
01:41:07,893 --> 01:41:08,692
Speaker 12: That from.

2052
01:41:10,973 --> 01:41:13,173
Speaker 2: Well actually the guy running the Valkyrie was like he

2053
01:41:13,333 --> 01:41:15,492
Speaker 2: was down at yeah.

2054
01:41:15,372 --> 01:41:17,412
Speaker 12: Yeah, well no listen, if you ever need an outgrow

2055
01:41:17,452 --> 01:41:19,053
Speaker 12: to try yet.

2056
01:41:19,532 --> 01:41:20,253
Speaker 2: Cash for comments.

2057
01:41:20,452 --> 01:41:20,652
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2058
01:41:21,293 --> 01:41:24,612
Speaker 2: So, so what you're saying is that, and this is

2059
01:41:24,692 --> 01:41:25,932
Speaker 2: kind of what I was saying at the start. It's

2060
01:41:26,053 --> 01:41:28,772
Speaker 2: like that the problem isn't the Lestian battery. In the

2061
01:41:28,853 --> 01:41:30,572
Speaker 2: case that we're talking about the start of this, that

2062
01:41:30,732 --> 01:41:33,412
Speaker 2: was the person buying the wrong tam cable, so it

2063
01:41:33,532 --> 01:41:36,492
Speaker 2: was there was a rubbish cable running, and also the

2064
01:41:36,572 --> 01:41:39,133
Speaker 2: fact that they were they was sleeping with the phone

2065
01:41:39,173 --> 01:41:39,932
Speaker 2: under their pillow.

2066
01:41:40,572 --> 01:41:43,572
Speaker 24: But yeah, but the time that the charge is not

2067
01:41:43,732 --> 01:41:46,852
Speaker 24: actually the lift himself. A lot of the time that's

2068
01:41:46,933 --> 01:41:49,892
Speaker 24: the charge is not regulated, or the MS system, which

2069
01:41:49,933 --> 01:41:52,092
Speaker 24: is like the little battery management system in the battery

2070
01:41:52,412 --> 01:41:54,812
Speaker 24: that's not regulated. So if that goes up or the

2071
01:41:54,973 --> 01:41:57,972
Speaker 24: charger goes up, and you know, you can't put liftin

2072
01:41:58,013 --> 01:42:00,812
Speaker 24: out basically it just kind of so if it goes up,

2073
01:42:00,853 --> 01:42:01,452
Speaker 24: you're kind of stuck.

2074
01:42:01,532 --> 01:42:02,492
Speaker 12: Like the lady before.

2075
01:42:02,772 --> 01:42:04,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, are they starting to look at that in Europe,

2076
01:42:04,692 --> 01:42:07,053
Speaker 3: Dan in terms of these rogue charges that are making

2077
01:42:07,053 --> 01:42:07,852
Speaker 3: its way into the market.

2078
01:42:08,692 --> 01:42:11,612
Speaker 24: To give you an idea, like in the EU, you

2079
01:42:11,772 --> 01:42:14,652
Speaker 24: are like if you to drive your your buck in

2080
01:42:14,692 --> 01:42:17,492
Speaker 24: the back of your car, drive around whatever, and you're

2081
01:42:17,973 --> 01:42:20,612
Speaker 24: legal for you to have your actual battery on the bike,

2082
01:42:20,652 --> 01:42:22,852
Speaker 24: it has to be taken off, so you can't get

2083
01:42:22,853 --> 01:42:24,893
Speaker 24: an auto barn of your battery on your car just

2084
01:42:24,973 --> 01:42:27,772
Speaker 24: in case someone rear ends you. So and that's been

2085
01:42:27,812 --> 01:42:30,372
Speaker 24: the law for about eight nine years. Like New Zealand's

2086
01:42:30,492 --> 01:42:33,333
Speaker 24: pretty shocking, Like some of the like I won't give names,

2087
01:42:33,372 --> 01:42:34,692
Speaker 24: that some of the bikes that you used to pop

2088
01:42:34,772 --> 01:42:38,892
Speaker 24: up everywhere, that the distributor for those bikes was arrested

2089
01:42:39,293 --> 01:42:41,973
Speaker 24: in France and sentenced in prison for a month. And

2090
01:42:42,093 --> 01:42:45,492
Speaker 24: it wasn't because I mean he was he's he basically

2091
01:42:45,812 --> 01:42:47,933
Speaker 24: is importing low quality.

2092
01:42:49,253 --> 01:42:49,892
Speaker 7: Like Chinese made.

2093
01:42:49,933 --> 01:42:51,612
Speaker 24: Lots of things the Chinese made, this doesn't matter, but

2094
01:42:51,732 --> 01:42:55,253
Speaker 24: low quality Chinese made e bikes, batteries and charges without

2095
01:42:55,492 --> 01:42:58,732
Speaker 24: any standards. Now those exact bikes everywhere in New Zealand,

2096
01:42:58,812 --> 01:43:01,652
Speaker 24: and we don't seem to enforce any of those standards

2097
01:43:01,732 --> 01:43:04,652
Speaker 24: and Sadly, for those of us that have products that

2098
01:43:04,772 --> 01:43:07,053
Speaker 24: do meet EU standards, we're all going to be put

2099
01:43:07,093 --> 01:43:09,372
Speaker 24: in the same kind of unbrell that all ever the

2100
01:43:09,492 --> 01:43:12,612
Speaker 24: dangerous Well, that's not actually the case. If you if

2101
01:43:12,652 --> 01:43:16,333
Speaker 24: you've if like anything, if it's quality and it's manufactured

2102
01:43:16,372 --> 01:43:19,772
Speaker 24: and high quality, it's fine. But if it's just old mate,

2103
01:43:19,893 --> 01:43:21,692
Speaker 24: you know, making a whole lot of cheap one selling

2104
01:43:21,732 --> 01:43:24,973
Speaker 24: them on semur or marketplace and then whatever, and not

2105
01:43:25,213 --> 01:43:29,372
Speaker 24: educating people how to use them properly, then yeah, lot

2106
01:43:29,452 --> 01:43:29,612
Speaker 24: to be.

2107
01:43:29,973 --> 01:43:32,772
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, very interesting, Dan, thanks for giving us a buzz.

2108
01:43:33,133 --> 01:43:34,652
Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the

2109
01:43:34,772 --> 01:43:38,133
Speaker 3: number to call back with more very shortly. Nine two

2110
01:43:38,213 --> 01:43:40,093
Speaker 3: nine two is the text number. It is ten to four.

2111
01:43:41,772 --> 01:43:45,133
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2112
01:43:45,492 --> 01:43:49,213
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you

2113
01:43:49,412 --> 01:43:51,012
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four US talks.

2114
01:43:51,013 --> 01:43:51,892
Speaker 4: There'd be wud be.

2115
01:43:52,372 --> 01:43:54,652
Speaker 3: Seven and four. We're going to finish this discussion about

2116
01:43:54,732 --> 01:43:57,892
Speaker 3: the dangers of lithium battery with an actual fireman. Get

2117
01:43:57,973 --> 01:43:58,333
Speaker 3: a John.

2118
01:43:59,412 --> 01:44:03,893
Speaker 16: Hello, guys, I had hope that a barman who's on

2119
01:44:04,013 --> 01:44:05,532
Speaker 16: duty would have called you back, but I've been a

2120
01:44:05,572 --> 01:44:09,772
Speaker 16: farman to well over forty years. Letting nine batteries are

2121
01:44:10,492 --> 01:44:13,133
Speaker 16: an increasing problem. At the same time, we have to

2122
01:44:13,213 --> 01:44:15,492
Speaker 16: be aware there's hundreds of thousands of them, so it's

2123
01:44:15,532 --> 01:44:18,012
Speaker 16: a very small percentage of them that cause problems.

2124
01:44:18,492 --> 01:44:20,053
Speaker 24: But basically what I want the.

2125
01:44:20,093 --> 01:44:23,692
Speaker 16: Listeners to be aware of they've got a battery that's

2126
01:44:23,692 --> 01:44:25,933
Speaker 16: hooked up and charging or not charging. They have a

2127
01:44:26,013 --> 01:44:28,892
Speaker 16: problem with their battery and they see it off gassing

2128
01:44:29,013 --> 01:44:32,013
Speaker 16: what looks like steam or smoke coming from it, they

2129
01:44:32,093 --> 01:44:35,893
Speaker 16: need to evacuate straight away. That's highly toxic and it

2130
01:44:36,013 --> 01:44:38,013
Speaker 16: will all probability explode.

2131
01:44:38,253 --> 01:44:39,852
Speaker 24: It's very, very dangerous.

2132
01:44:40,093 --> 01:44:42,852
Speaker 16: Don't rush towards one if you see it off gassing,

2133
01:44:43,293 --> 01:44:47,532
Speaker 16: because it's incredibly poisonous and it's likely ninety nine percent

2134
01:44:47,692 --> 01:44:50,173
Speaker 16: likely to my knowledge to explode.

2135
01:44:49,732 --> 01:44:50,532
Speaker 4: From what I've read.

2136
01:44:50,893 --> 01:44:52,652
Speaker 16: Now, I'm not an expert on them, but I do

2137
01:44:52,853 --> 01:44:54,693
Speaker 16: know that we talk about in the fibrigade.

2138
01:44:54,692 --> 01:44:56,333
Speaker 20: When I talk about things.

2139
01:44:56,253 --> 01:44:59,732
Speaker 16: Like batteries, there's all sorts of lift your mind, batteries

2140
01:44:59,772 --> 01:45:02,932
Speaker 16: that have been dropped, for instance, they may not show damage,

2141
01:45:02,933 --> 01:45:05,173
Speaker 16: but if I've had a heavy fall that that could

2142
01:45:05,333 --> 01:45:07,572
Speaker 16: run the potential you should put it somewhere safe on

2143
01:45:07,652 --> 01:45:09,892
Speaker 16: a hard surf that's not going to catch anything alight.

2144
01:45:10,372 --> 01:45:14,492
Speaker 16: It's the same as if you've when it's getting old

2145
01:45:14,572 --> 01:45:18,173
Speaker 16: and showing signs of damage, you should replace it. You

2146
01:45:18,253 --> 01:45:20,732
Speaker 16: shouldn't be charging them in your house. You should try

2147
01:45:20,812 --> 01:45:24,293
Speaker 16: to find some isolated place so that they're away. Now,

2148
01:45:24,372 --> 01:45:26,452
Speaker 16: if you are, and you're not, like most people, aren't,

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Speaker 16: going to remove them from your house. Make sure you've

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Speaker 16: got adequate smoke alarms. Like nobody would die in a

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Speaker 16: house buy in New Zealand if the house was adequately

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Speaker 16: smoke alarmed, so at least you'll get warning. But and

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Speaker 16: if you do have a fire, make sure you shut

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Speaker 16: the door and get out. But it's really important to

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Speaker 16: don't ignore that off gassing because that's incredibly dangerous. And

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Speaker 16: I haven't heard anybody mention that. Quite often they well

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Speaker 16: off gas and it looks like steam or smoke, but

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Speaker 16: that's incredibly dangerous.

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Speaker 20: If you see that sign you.

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Speaker 2: Want John, thank you so much for your call. John,

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Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, have we got time

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Speaker 2: for another question with John? Hey, sir John, but are

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Speaker 2: you talking You're not talking about like a cell phone

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Speaker 2: style battery. You're talking about sort of an e bite

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Speaker 2: sized battery.

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Speaker 16: I'm talking about the normally lithium sides. I don't know

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Speaker 16: enough about whether the cell phone. I haven't heard of

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Speaker 16: the cell phone. It's like my cell phones. You don't

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Speaker 16: want to overcharge them like anything, don't want to be

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Speaker 16: plugging them under your Hello. There are those phones can

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Speaker 16: catch fire. But generally a good quality phone, well looked after,

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Speaker 16: charge properly. And it's not the first time when I

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Speaker 16: leave my own phone charging overnight, but unintentionally I do

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Speaker 16: try to charge it and not have it. We don't

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Speaker 16: want to get paranoid with technology. We do need sensible

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Speaker 16: with it some time, John, But.

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Speaker 2: I think the main point there is get yourself smoke alarms. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: don't skimp on the smoke alarms and get as many

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Speaker 2: as you need.

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Speaker 3: Now. I did legitimately ask my partner whether it does

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Speaker 3: a hit and when I switch everything off in the house,

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Speaker 3: and she's come back, yes, very annoying, especially the internet.

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Speaker 3: I said, I don't switch off the internet, so I've

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Speaker 3: got some exquentions. We don't want to get home.

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Speaker 2: Why would she say that? If you didn't you do?

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Speaker 2: I really do.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, great chat.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, give.

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Speaker 3: Them a toast of key.

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Speaker 2: We will see you tomorrow.

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