WEBVTT - "The Mt Rushmore Of NZ Bowlers" 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.600 Caldercot. Welcome to the b YC. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.560 Welcome to the Export Bear Garden Studio and welcome to 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.080 the ACC headquarters. I'm Paul Ford, godfather of the Pagema 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.759 Gaid and today we are getting fired up for the 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.640 English and Welsh crusade of New Zealand that is underway 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:23.320 in Queenstown. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:24.040 They have landed. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.680 We're sniffing around the border Gaviscar series. We're checking on 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.160 the planket shield and we get some cricket violence right 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.599 between the eyes and reflect on the monsoon magnet. 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.879 That is a cricket series in Sri Lanka. No Jason Hoyt. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.320 Today as he recovers from his boxing debut over the 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.879 weekend were he lost on points to Joe Biden and 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.839 a disgraceful woman about ahead of his fight against Mike 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.880 Tyson and a g string on boxing day. But we 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.680 do have our pleasy, didn't they of the fantastic scoop 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.440 making the Bounce newsleader Dylan Clever with us today. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:55.800 Dylan, how the hell are you? 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.560 I'm very good, Thank you, Paul. Thanks for the kind introduction. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.240 We'll get into one of those scoops in a bit. Look. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:04.120 First off, I reckon. 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.880 We should have a look at this one day International 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.560 series over in Sri Lanka that succumbed to the rain 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.080 gods and Pala Kelly overnight. Not quite the same success 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.120 as New Zealand enjoyed in the drawn T twenty series. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.080 But can we take much out of these performances from 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.800 what is essentially a development squad really in a series 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.679 of three rain affected matches. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.800 Very little can we take out of it? 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:28.399 Yeah? 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.319 Look, they went to the first one in dan Burler, 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.680 which was a follow on from the T twenty series. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.000 They got hammered there. Let's be fair on Duckworth Lewis 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.880 by forty five runs. Sri Lanka scored three hundred and 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.280 twenty four for five. New Zealand could only get one 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.880 hundred and seventy five for nine in return off twenty seven. 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:53.640 Again rain affected in Pala Kelly first game, but New 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.520 Zealand fell short with two hundred and nine didn't beat 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.680 out there forty seven overs and then Shri Lanka struggled 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.720 to chase that down two hundred and ten for seven. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.760 And then finally last night I was all excitedly watching 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:15.440 well Young and Harvey Nichols. You know, look quite comfortable 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.880 until the spinners came on. They certainly comfortable against pace 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.720 and one hundred and twelve to one, it was all over. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:26.000 And really the talking point is we keep going to 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.440 Sri Lanka and we keep getting rained on. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:30.560 Is that right? 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.040 Have you been into the history box on that or 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.360 are you just saying that was of your head? 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.040 It felt so awfully familiar, I thought I would do 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.960 some geekery and the first thing that surprised me was 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.760 that it's actually the first bilateral One Day series we've 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.560 paid there in eleven years. But I want my suspicions were. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.440 It seems like Sri Lanka's played in New Zealand every 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:49.880 year four eleven years. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.040 Yeah, exactly. And so in twenty thirteen it was a 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:57.839 three months match series. The first one in hand Them 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.160 Totter was no result, second one, same venue was twenty 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.880 three overs per team. The third one in dan Buller 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.720 was a thirty three over versus twenty five over Duckworth 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.960 Lewis affair. In twenty twelve we had a four match 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.080 ODII series. The first at Pala Kelly was fifty overs 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.880 versus twenty three on Duckworth Lewis. The second the second 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.079 at Pala Kelly was a thirty three over a side 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.960 match that was also decided on Duckworth Lewis. The third 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.520 at ham bent Tota was thirty two overs versus twenty seven, 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.679 again decided on Duckworth Lewis. Sri Lanka won all three 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.800 of those Duckworth Lewis, but the crown and glory was 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.400 the fourth one at Hambantota which was no result and 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.400 then the previous series, so that was a tri series 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.080 in Sri Lanka. I think he might have involved int 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.240 you as well. And the New Zealand's match was Sri 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.240 Lanka in that tri series at dan Buller was no result. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.040 God, that's extraordinary. So that's three six ' ten. That's 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.520 eleven rain affected matches in a row. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.320 The past eleven, Odie Eyes and Sri Lanka have all 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.400 been rain affected and Sri Lanka won the vast majority 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:04.920 of them on Duckworth lows. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.960 That is preposterous. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.160 It's also ridiculous that we haven't won any of those 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:10.320 games on duck with Lowis. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:11.080 But I guess we. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:15.280 Shouldn't dwell on that God that is there, that is well, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.400 we should just not go at this time. But I 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:18.560 guess we don't call the shots. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.800 There's another curiosity in that as well, that every single 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:26.200 venue of that and there's that eleven match streak is 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:30.680 up in the highlands, there's no there's no gaull od 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.640 I or Columbo. All up in the hills, the rain 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.800 rolls in that gets I don't know, perhaps nothing much 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.240 goes on there and they think, well, we'll give them 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:41.920 the New Zealand. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.120 To be fair, some of the crowds look quite fired up. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.160 I quite enjoyed the crowds. They look quite lively, beautiful, 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:50.320 lively than the pictures. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.279 Yeah, yeah, but no, there was nothing to take out 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.719 of it other than I think the major difference in 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:01.239 that the two teams was Sri Lanka was far closer 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.400 to the full strength and New Zealand was and their 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:07.160 spinner's economy rates with far superior like lysa Thik Sharner 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.520 and Jeffrey Vandersay were far more effective at keeping the 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.239 runs in check. I don't know, can you take anything 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.600 out of Will Young bettered Nicey. I guess I compiled 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.000 as last. I think his last eleven Odie eyes. I 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:23.919 don't know if you can remember, but that game of 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.920 the World Cup opener that New Zealand one and Conway 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.520 and Ravendra had got big tons and they thresht England 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.720 and that same game Will Young was strangled down leg side. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.440 I think it might have been a first ball duck, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:40.000 you know, hellishly unlucky. Since then, he's compiled seventy to 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:44.040 fifty four, seventeen, thirty two, thirty three, one hundred and five, 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.240 eighty nine, twenty six, forty eight, twenty six and fifty 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:53.080 six not out. So he has been amazing, amazingly consistent 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.320 and ODII cricket. Does that count for much these days? 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.200 That's a question I'll throw to you. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.080 Yeah, yeah, look, look, look I'll be I think it does. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.240 I think it does, and it's great to see, you 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.359 know that he is putting together a record. I mean obviously, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.640 so obviously he's the next cap off the rank, but 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.200 it's also a sign that he's not getting bored and frustrated, 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:14.880 that he just. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.960 Keeps on putting those numbers up. So yeah, I mean, 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:18.400 good on them. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.680 I think he averaged sixty five in the series, But 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.920 for comparison, I think coustial Menus was averaging two hundred 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.760 and fifteen or something, and I think Fernando was fifty 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.159 odd so yeah, look he was. He was probably the 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.840 second best better in the in the series. But I 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.560 don't think there's a hell of a lot anyone else 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.080 got out of it. A few other scores. I think 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.440 Chapman got a he got a seventy odd I think yeah. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.239 I think he got a top scorer in the series 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.440 for New Zealand. And Nichols got some nice enough forty 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.760 odds last night when he had been really struggling coming 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.680 off the back of a very poor for trophy, which 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.839 again raised questions as to how he managed to find 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.640 himself in this New Zealand Odie Ice squad and then 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.120 failures in the first two games. He would have been 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.240 feeling some heat. So and he looked nice actually, in fact, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.520 when the spinners came on, he looked more accomplished than 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.760 Young did last night. But jeep, some of those shots 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.720 Young played off the pacemen were just mint. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.840 Saw a beautiful straight drive that I was doing. The 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.800 dishes sensational and it. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.280 Does make you realize just what a fine talent he is. 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:26.200 And again it's that his New Zealand cricket maximized it. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.360 And I think the answer is probably resounding. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.560 No, he looked like he was having a bloody good 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:32.040 time in it. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:36.040 Yeah I had, I had one eye, you know, on him, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.680 and you talked about it. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.200 I think last week, you know, a little not. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.960 Not a swagger per se, but a confidence, And I 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.840 thought I thought we could see that last night as 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.080 he was out there with with Nichols, as we were 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.960 hoping that they wouldn't run each other out in some 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.080 sort of act of malicious malevolence. 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:53.360 Yeah. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.800 Look, one guy that I thought would have been annoyed 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.760 at his series as Tim Robinson, you know, way down. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.080 I think he was just looking here, what did he get? Average? 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.440 Sixteen forty eight runs off forty seven balls. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:07.800 And one of those scores was thirty five. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.840 So it took a couple of failures and Glenn Phillips 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.160 was a little bit out of sorts too, but yeah, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.600 look I agree with you, but Young looked sublime until 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:17.400 the heavens opened. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.840 And yeah, the bowling it was Michael Bracewall. He did 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:21.320 some good things. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.480 I think he was top of the wickets and so on, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.560 but yeah, not a hell of a lot to really take. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.360 And given the how few overs were played across the thing, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:30.000 that series. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.680 I thought Bracewall was the time you reminder that the 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.640 guy can play cricket, right you mentioned last week He's 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:40.840 just an unreal fielder. He's a sensational fielder. He was 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.400 too expensive though, but he was a wicket taking option. 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.959 But you watch the difference between him and Think Channer. 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.839 And I know Thik Channer's got the Karen ball, the 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.839 big arm ball, something that Bracewall and the New Zealand 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.000 spinners don't zest. But I did feel like they leaked 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:02.160 too many runs. Mind you, csemendous Is was batting out 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.680 of this world and home conditions. So but yeah, I 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.720 mean it was a time you reminder that Michael Bracewall 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:13.200 was still there. You're still part of that burgeoning, finger 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.160 spinning list of options we've got. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:16.319 Now. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.640 I'm not sure any of them will well. Before that 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.880 India Test series, I wasn't sure that any of them 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.480 were world class. But you know, join the Q now 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.920 braces behind Len Phillips, a Jaz Mitchell Santner. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.040 Lovely problem to have. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:33.720 Hey, DC, let's take a break and when we come back, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.200 let's get stuck into the New Zealand Test squad. I 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.200 think you did pretty well on your guestimates for the squad. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.640 We'll be back shortly. Welcome back to the b y C. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.640 It's Paul Ford and Dylan Cleaver coming to you today. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.360 And Dylan, the New Zealand Test squad was named this week. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:54.200 Do you want to give us a rundown on that 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.679 and maybe any any points of interest, anything surprising in there. 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.800 I think you guessed pretty well. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.480 Yeah, okay, So the squad is Lathan Captain, Blundle Wicker Keeper, 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:10.600 Conway Duffy, Henry Mitchell, O'Rourke, Phillips, Ravendra, Nathan Smith, Tim 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:15.400 Southy Caine, Williamson, will Young and Mitchell Santon will come 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.320 in for the second and thirdest in Wellington Hamilton and 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.880 one of those pace bowlers will drop out of the squad. 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.520 There's two uncapped players in that team, which is Duffy 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.640 and Nathan Smith. And yeah, I had a punt at 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:33.920 picking the thirteen slash fourteen and for some reason I 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.040 should have got all fourteen, but for some reason I 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.880 didn't have Nathan Smith, although I had this funny feeling 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.280 he was right there in the mix and I actually 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.000 thought they might have an extra spinner as a kind 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.760 of stock bowler slash deep in the batting lineup for 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.000 christ Church as well. I thought Santna would be in 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.600 for all three on the back of what he did 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.400 in India and the fact they love him. You know, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.600 he offers leadership, he offers the potential of runs down 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.720 the order fields brilliantly and can bolve very tightly. But 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.600 they brought him in for the second and third Test 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.199 and have Smith in for the first one. So I 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:13.320 guess the points of interest really are Nathan Smith. Do 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.960 they crow bar them into that first Test lineup ahead 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.280 of Duffy or do they play just the three seamers 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.120 and both Duffy and Smith's on the sidelines. And of 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:31.000 course Sally announced Manning official that this will be his 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.960 last Test series barring qualification for the World Test Championship, 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.280 which would be a final in Lords, during which he 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:43.080 would make himself available for clearly no guarantees of selection. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.640 I'm also available for selection for that as well. Yeah, look, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.920 it's interesting to see Nathan Smith in there. Yeah, it 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.959 really does feel like it's a duel for that fourth 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.760 semi spot. You know, I've put my cards on the 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.719 table last week. I'd love to see Will Young in there. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.920 But I just don't think that the New Zealand selectors 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.120 are going to do that. I think that with came back, 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.200 they're going to want to have those four seemers, And yeah, 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.040 it's going to be an interesting decision. I guess in 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.360 terms of seniority, you would expect that Duffy would. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:12.840 Be given a shot. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.959 But it does seem like they like the cut of 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.120 Nathan Smith's jib and if they're looking for a bit 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:23.559 more batting insurance, then you know, you you suspect that 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.600 a guy down the order betting at number eight who 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.040 can bash it around could could be pretty handy. So yeah, 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:36.000 look it's a it's again a good conundrum for the selectors. Yeah, 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.840 you called the center thing. I guess, were you thinking 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.840 maybe Bracewall might be in there? Is it who you 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:41.760 were thinking might sort of? 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:43.680 No, I she thought was Handton would be in for 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.080 the start and they might bring a js ptel and 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.079 got for an extra spin option. Probably wouldn't use them, 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.640 but just to have them there in case they roll 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.040 up to seven Park and get the similar wicket that 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.679 they got in South Africa. We're here last summer and 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.240 rolled up to Wellington and get a similar wicket they 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.880 had when Nathan Lyon and Glenn Phillips were the two 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.960 most effective bowlers at the base and last summer, which 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.920 nobody anticipated. And I still find it hard to believe 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.120 that you're going to find a wicket like that in 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:19.760 November in Wellington, but who knows. But look, I actually 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.080 totally agree with you. This whole fourth seema thing feels 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.720 again and we use this work quite often when describing 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.840 a Gary Stead's side, but it feels slightly dogmatic and 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:32.560 that you go to Christus, you go to have the 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.480 over and you have to play four seamas. I think 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.080 what we tend to forget is that when New Zealand 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:43.400 we're at the most effective doing that, the fourth seamers 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.240 were Jamison Wagner, Bolt or Saudi and they had Colin 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.600 de Gronholm as your backup who was a genuine number 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:57.000 seven guy who's capable of scoring Test centuries. Colinder Grondholm 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.880 is your fourth seema is a lot different than Nathan Smith, 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.640 your four seema where you have or Jacob Duffy where 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:07.320 you have to you're lengthening the tail and to be 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.400 I'm fear of Nathan Smith. I haven't seen enough from bat. 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.640 I do know he's capable with the bat, but there's 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.600 a difference between being capable of the bat first class 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:20.440 level and being capable with the bat when you're faced 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.680 with you know, at chest attack. They are not the 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.920 strongest English Test attack you can ever come across, but 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.720 still a good chest attack. So yeah, look they did 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.880 it last summer with Scott Coogar. Liners have four seamer. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.560 He barely bold. He did slog a few runs in 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:42.480 one of the innings here, but I'm like you, I'd 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.960 actually rather see them play Will Young, make that batting 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:53.520 lineup really strong and say to Sally Henry all yours guys, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.960 go get it done, Go get it done. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.680 The other interesting piece of context around this, and I 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.320 don't know whether this changes anything, is obviously New Zealand 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.960 has to win effectively to stay in the running, and 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.920 you know there's different permutations and whatever, but basically New 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.920 Zealand needs to win this series three mel to give 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.400 themselves a shot at that World Test Championship final. So 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.440 I guess I was thinking about this, and you could 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.280 argue that picking four seamas is a more aggressive option 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.720 if you're trying to win a Test match. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.120 But if it all seems effective. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:28.040 That's right. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.160 And if your fourth seamer is as you say, it's 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.120 a I think I can't if you said Matt Henry 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:33.800 in there as well, but you know what an embarrassment 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.760 of Richards having Henry, Jamison and yeah de grondeom all 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.080 in the mix for selection, which you know we're not 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.720 in that position anymore. 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.960 So Yeah, I don't know who. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.560 England would look at and go we would rather face 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.880 Duffy or we would rather face Smith. He's probably reasonably 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:53.840 familiar to a lot of them. Obviously McCullum would know 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.160 them both well. Jim Pattel's been in and around that 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.400 team as well, he would have some pretty decent insights 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.240 in Both of them have played county cricket. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:04.280 I actually heard. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.520 NASA the saying say, just as an aside, that Nathan 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:11.320 Smith was his the local pro at his at Radlett 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.440 in Hertfordshire before he ended up going off and playing, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.480 getting sort of scaled up and going and playing. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.840 Was it for what's the ship? What's the source? 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:25.120 I think it was anyway, Yeah, someone described him as yep, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.040 get him in the get him in the main team 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.160 because he wacks it and he bolves quick, which is 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.680 quite a nice, quite a pithy description for for Smith. 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.840 But yeah, look it's a it's a it's a bit 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.280 of an interesting one in terms of I am intrigue. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.680 I would like to see him, actually, you know, I 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:45.480 am intrigued by what Nathan Smith can offer. I just 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.800 hope they're confident that he will be a genuine option 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.040 and you know, just not the spear preck that spends 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:54.920 most of his time a third man. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:59.880 And yes, yeah, exactly exactly as you. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:01.920 Maybe we'll have a bit more of a chat about 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.440 I think there's some correspondence about Kanes. Maybe we'll come 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.359 back to that one. But I guess the big news 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:12.360 in this whole squad naming was Tim southy sensational career 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.400 coming to a close for New Zealand and DC. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.439 You had a pretty decent scoop on this one. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.159 Yeah, I think you probably read it first in the bounce. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:22.560 To be. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.560 Brutally honest, it was not that hard to anticipate. I 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.520 think the writing was on the wall as soon as 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.600 he handed the captaincy back. That was the signal that 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:39.120 selection was no longer guaranteed. He wouldn't have played every 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.399 you know, if they had the Afghanis Sand Test as 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.280 well in India, I think, you know, there was a 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.600 chance that he probably looking to play maybe four of 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.280 those Tests overseas. I think Gary said signal that he 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.520 wouldn't be playing every Test as it was. He got 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.680 too in India. I think he got both in Sri Lanka. 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:02.800 So that sounds about right, and it's the right time. 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.000 And there's just has been a lack of wickets. There's 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.640 no other way of putting it. You know, he's still 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.919 bowling a relatively nice shape with the new ball for 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.679 a couple of overs, but there doesn't seem to be 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.479 any punch when he comes back for those second and 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:26.280 third spells. He's used more as a holding bowler. And yeah, 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.160 I mean it just feels like the timing is right. 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.240 It's probably not his choice. But look, you go through 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.720 some of those numbers and there's a whole list here, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.639 should we go through them? I mean, only Fleming Victorian 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.040 Taylor have played more than as one hundred and four Tests. 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.520 He's got the most teach winy wickets by any human 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.000 alive or dead. He's got the most Test wins by 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.280 a New Zealander at forty six. He's got the most 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.720 international wickets by a New Zealander. I think it's seven 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:59.040 hundred and seventy international wickets. He's got the second most 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.080 Test wickets behind him. Ay, he's got the third most 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:08.440 ODI wickets behind for Tory and Mills, is it? I think? So? 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.000 I should have checked that really, And my favorite stat 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.520 of all, he's got the six most sixes in Test 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:16.879 history with ninety three and cheap as I hope he 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.840 swings for the hills and goes for one hundred and 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.040 sixes of this series. It's all over. 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.399 And I know we should be talking about, you know, 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.960 his seven for sixty four at Bengaluru and six. 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:29.600 For forty three and six for fifty eight. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:35.320 Lords and you know all these these sensational bowling figures 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.080 and all that kind of stuff, But how good is 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:37.680 the sixers? 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:37.880 Thing? 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.280 Like when you look at the company that he is 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:44.879 rubbing shoulders with in there, Stokes, McCullum, Gilchrist, Gaale keallous 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:51.320 Seywag Sharma, Lara, Ken's, Richard's, it's amazing, amazing company. And 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:52.560 I know you've got a couple more stats, but I 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.480 do love the three hundred Test wickets two hundred one 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.520 Day wickets and one hundred T twenty International wickets. That's 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.199 that's a good insight into his hosatility and commitment to 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:01.639 New Zealand. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.160 Frankly, yeah, and he's one of only twenty five players 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.560 to have the two thousand runs in two hundred chest 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:09.920 wickets and another one of my favorite stats. And it 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.600 feels like I'm cheapening his legacy here a little bit 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.840 with batting stats when he was clearly a bowler who 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.800 could swing the willow a little bit. But only two 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.560 players have scored as many Test runs as him without 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.040 scoring a century. Can you name them? 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.439 Well, I reckon, I'm worn, I feel as one of 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.199 the two. But geez, I'm really struggling on the second one. 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.040 I'm god, I can't even I can't even think. I mean, 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.159 I'm sorry. That the sort of Lance Kenes or is 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.719 it someone really sort of niche out of the subcontinent. 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:41.879 I just don't know. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.600